1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: My boyfriend forg his Harvard application. He lied and said 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: he was gay to get accepted. Should I break up 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: with him? This is okop where we'd be the craziest 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: true stories on Earth. I'm John and big producer Riley. 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: Do we think this is an offense that should warrant 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: a breakup? 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy? This is very crazy. I think it 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: would have to warrant one. On paper, he's gay, But 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: if he has to like show that he's gay. 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: What happens? What happens when you have to prove, You 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: have to prove what you put down. We need receipts, 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: We need receipts. Do they verify? 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: Question? My goodness? 14 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: Wow, Well, Riley, there's only one way to find out. 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: Spill that dee So Choice Evidence nineteen eighty three says 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: my twenty one female boyfriend twenty male once the line 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: has lost school applications about how he's gay. My boyfriend's 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: Asian American. He's had a very high pressure and I'm 19 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: pretty sure physically abusive childhood or his parents wanted him 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: to go to an Ivy League university at all costs. 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: That's not good, right. 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 4: I like that. 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: Riley doesn't like it. 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: Let it be known he didn't get into any and 25 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: believes this is primarily due to his race and not 26 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: his merits. Because of this, he thinks it's completely acceptable 27 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: to lie on applications if merit isn't the primary factor. Anyways, 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: his parents have continued to put pressure onto him to 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: either get a prestigious job or to go to a 30 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: prestigious school for grad school, and really quick, I'm very 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: curious if you could look up Riley percentage of maybe 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: Asian Americans applying to universities versus white Americans. I'm curious 33 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: to see the stats on that. He seems to still 34 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: want to please them. His application for law school is 35 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: very good. Our university advisors think he's got a good 36 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: chance at getting into a top ten law school. He 37 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: wants to get into the top five, however, and suggested 38 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: to me that he pretends that he's gay. He's by 39 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: not openly but definitely not gay. We are dating. I 40 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: said no, and after an argument, told him that I 41 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: will break up with him to pretend he's gay if 42 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: that's how he wants to do it. So basically, I 43 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: think delivering little Sassin being like I don't want to 44 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: be a part of this. 45 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: My parents think I was too harsh. How should I 46 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: deal with this? 47 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: We got to take a really quick pit stop at 48 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: the top of the story because we just a lot 49 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: got a lot. 50 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: What did we get into stats? 51 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: So the stats for like Asian Americans is roughly twenty 52 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: to twenty five percent and IVO and then for like 53 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: white kids, I guess it's like between forty and like 54 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: thirty five percent. 55 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: Interesting because I've seen, like I wanted to look it 56 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: up because I feel like I've seen like headlines or 57 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: something of like, oh, like uh, Asian Americans being turned 58 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: away either from jobs. There was actually like a big 59 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: case while I was in Silicon Valley of people suing 60 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: a company because like in the makeup of the employees, 61 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: like Asians were like over indexing so much that they're like, 62 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: we want to diversify and give opportunities for other people, wow, 63 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: not just Asians. So I haven't really like dug into it, 64 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: which is why I wanted to do a little bit 65 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: of quick research. But yeah, it seems like in certain 66 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: cases there's been this thing of like so many Asians 67 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: in a particular thing that some of these organizations are 68 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: maybe trying to be like, hey, we need to like 69 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: try to get other people and potentially limit the amount 70 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: of Asian people getting it, which I think is what 71 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: the boyfriend is like trying to like it's thinking with 72 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: all of this, which is like a wild thing. And 73 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: then also he's by, I'm like, why not just put 74 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: that on the application? 75 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, if he's trying to kind of like. 76 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: Use it to like to his advantage with which like hey, dude, 77 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: go go get yours. 78 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 4: And if he's actually by. 79 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: Why not just put that on it? 80 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: And he has to be like full on gay, Like 81 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: why did he have to just like full of throttle 82 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Which Also like it's it's it's once 83 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: you're still part of the LGBT, you're still part of 84 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: the community. And I would like, I would argue, you know, 85 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: it's it's it's all a spectrum. So I'm like, maybe 86 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: the girlfriend is being a little bit too. 87 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: Harsh in that he actually is. 88 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: It would be one thing if this was like super 89 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: super duper straight man and he's just like, yo, I'm gay, 90 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm getting into the school. 91 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: Yeah I'm gay. 92 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 4: Like, but if he's already by that. 93 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: To me is like he's part of the community, he's 94 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: on the on the sexuality spectrum. You know he is 95 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, he's not just like sis straight male. So 96 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, I feel like he could put 97 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: that and be totally cool. And also like. 98 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 2: He he says it says he's by not openly though, 99 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: maybe he has to like spread his wings a little 100 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: bit show. 101 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: Out maybe, But I'm like, to me, I'm like, this 102 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: is I mean his parents, My parents never saw my 103 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: college application. Like I feel like if he was like 104 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: worried about his parents. 105 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 4: Finding out, yeah, I see, I see. 106 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like he could put it 107 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: on the application and probably be okay, and let I 108 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: don't know, unless the parents got together as the parentees drivers. 109 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. 110 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: But I was just so flabberg acid with all of 111 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: that insane information and at the outset, I had. 112 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 2: To Yeah, I thought at first he was trying to 113 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: get like a scholarship or something like that, right, and 114 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: like he would have to pretend to be something else 115 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: that he's not and then have to get into the 116 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: scholars unity yeah, and like do like a whole whatever just. 117 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 4: To he's just trying to get in, oh period period trying. 118 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 3: To get in. 119 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: But like we're talking top five, like the Harvard's, the Stanfords, 120 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: like the top five IVY league is like the hardest 121 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: schools to get into on like planet Earth. 122 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: Basically, So right, let's let's keep reading. This is crazy. 123 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: My boyfriend believes he was a more qualified applicant than 124 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: everyone else in his class, but he didn't get into 125 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: any IVY leagues, including a case where he and his 126 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: best friend at the time, a girl, were weightlisted together 127 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: on one of them. She was called for the waitlist 128 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: and told him it was definitely because of her race, 129 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: white gender, and because her family was able to pay 130 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: full tuition whereas his wasn't able to pay really anything. 131 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: She offered to decline it for him so he could 132 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: go instead, but he refused. Okay, God, I gotta stop 133 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 1: super quick again. So it's seeming like at least part 134 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: of where his thought on, like, oh, I'm getting denied 135 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: from my race is because he had a classmate. 136 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 4: Who was white who got in from the waitlist female 137 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 4: basically the opposite spectrum. 138 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: And she's able to pay in full and he can't 139 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: pay much if anything. Wow, my god, quick edit. I 140 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: didn't write that last part clearly enough. It wasn't literally 141 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: a trade and opportunity offered by the university, but there 142 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: were only two students from that school as far as 143 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: they knew, to be waitlisted. The school was the largest 144 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: in the geographic area, so they thought that he was 145 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: next in line due to being a more qualified applicant 146 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: on the objective stats but less favorable in other areas. Obviously, 147 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: will know since he told her not to turn down 148 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: the offer. Also insane that the like she wouldn't have 149 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: been the a hole in the slightest if she if 150 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: she took it, you know, because it's like, I mean, 151 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: it's it's on the school ultimately to like bring in 152 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: the people that they should be bringing in. But like 153 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: what an offer from her, Like she's the angel. 154 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 155 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: Anyways, he's done extremely well for himself in college unless 156 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: he really fs up the interview, and he's gone to 157 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: several mock interviews on the off chance. That's why he 158 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: didn't get into any of the IVY leagues and passed 159 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: with flying colors. He's practically guaranteed a spot at the 160 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: top forty law school at our university in state privilege, 161 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: and our pre law advisors told him that he's got 162 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: a great chance at the top ten. He doesn't believe 163 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: they're being completely honest. However, he's not interested in the 164 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: top ten. He is interested in the top five. I 165 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: think it's because of his mom, primarily, who I know 166 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: calls him every three days and seems to barely ask 167 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: about his life and instead asks about the status of 168 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: his application where he's thinking of applying, et cetera. He 169 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: actually really loves his mom and says that she was 170 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: nice to him, but from what he's told me, she 171 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: was just not as. 172 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: Bad as his dad, welllesser. Well that's bad. 173 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: It makes me sick to my stomach to realize that 174 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: after every everything he's. 175 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 3: Done and went through, he still wants the approval of 176 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: his parents. 177 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: After a particularly long call yesterday, he seems thoughtful and 178 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: distracted for most of the night, and then he came 179 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: back to me today to ask if I'd be okay 180 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: with him taking pictures of me off of his social 181 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: media and I edit slash delete captions with certain pictures 182 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: to make it seem like we're just friends not dating. Okay, 183 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: So this is maybe where like because at first it's like, 184 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, again, I think he should have just put 185 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: that he's by on the application. Like, that's just a 186 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: no brainer. Tell the truth what you literally are. But 187 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: this is, like I think probably where it's it's poking 188 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: op source spot even more because he's like, Yo, let's 189 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: pretend we're not in a relationship. So that way, I can, 190 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, say that I'm fully gay not interested in 191 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: women like I could. 192 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 3: I could see why this would doubly yea off right here. 193 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: I asked why, and he said he thinks the best 194 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: move for him is to say that he's gay on 195 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: his application. He showed me some drafts to the personal 196 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: essay questions that he wrote up about being gay. God, 197 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: they're all really insightful and everything, but it's not completely 198 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: true and authentic to his life. The crazy thing is 199 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: that he is bisexual. He doesn't tell almost anyone because 200 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: he's afraid his parents will disown him if they found out. 201 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: But he reluctantly showed me pictures of his ex boyfriend 202 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: from our freshman year of college. When we were talking 203 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: about our exes. I asked him why he doesn't just 204 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: say that, because that's actually true, A great question. He 205 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: laughed and said, nobody will care about that, wow, and 206 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: then went into an explanation of how the epistemic What 207 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: does that mean? 208 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: Episodetic episode? 209 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: Contract of bisexual is the tendency to ignore, remove, loossfully, 210 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: or re explain evidence of bisexuality in history, academia, on 211 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: the news, and other primary sources. Oh, it seems like 212 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: this is what he went into about his application or 213 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: essay or whatever. 214 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: The epistem a contract of bisexual erasure. So that's like, 215 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: is that like a like an article or something. 216 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: So it's basically like in history, I guess, I guess 217 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: it is an article, but in history, like people will 218 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 2: erase like, oh this person, this leader wasn't actually. 219 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Gay, right, Yeah, it's like bisexual, so it's just enough 220 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: to wak they can like ignore or like remove the 221 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,599 Speaker 1: fact that they are bisexual. 222 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 4: One fling with the guy, but he's actually had many 223 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 4: why right, Okay, fling with the guy? 224 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: I think, And that actually kind of made sense. I 225 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: actually don't care about taking down social media posts or whatever. 226 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: It's only temporary, and even if it's not for whatever reason, 227 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: we'll still have those pictures. 228 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: But the reasoning is what I don't like. 229 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: So I told him point blank that I wanted to 230 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: support him as much as I could, but I wouldn't 231 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: do it for his quote unquote outdated need to please 232 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: his parents. We argued for a bit until I just 233 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: said that I'd be happy to pretend he's gay by 234 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: breaking up with him, but nothing in between. That's I mean, 235 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if she's joking or like half joking. Yeah, 236 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: basically being like, listen, you want to be gay, fine, 237 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: I'll break up with you. That'll be so much easier, 238 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: won't it. That's the vibe that I'm taking off, but 239 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: kind of. 240 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: Hard to tell. 241 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: He looked hurt by that and said that we should 242 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: go back home we don't live together, and think about 243 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: it again. 244 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: Wow. I told my. 245 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: Parents, who love him, and they actually surprisingly seemed torn 246 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: about whether lying about being gay was really that bad, 247 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: but they did agree that threatening to break up with 248 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: him was too far. I was completely floored by this. 249 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: So now I'm turning to the internet, you guys and us. 250 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: I know playing up things you did is a standard 251 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: part of applications, but this seems too far. If it's 252 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: not too far, though, then yeah, I crossed a line 253 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: by threatening to break up. 254 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: What do you think? 255 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 4: Wow? 256 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 3: This is a lot of this. 257 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: Wow, jeez, this is this is a scenario for for 258 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: old John and Big Protein to break down solo. But 259 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: let's dive into it. And right after we got some 260 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: relevant comments too. But how do you feel, a man, 261 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: oh man, this is this is? This is kind of 262 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,239 Speaker 1: a hard one. Like again, I I I to Op's 263 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: point and his whole thing about the like erasure of 264 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: like basically it seems like the like marketing of bisexual 265 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: and like being able to like so easily dismiss it 266 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: has made it like kind of a non factor the application, 267 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: which is so sad these things just become that on 268 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: an application. But I'll put that to the side for now. Yeah, 269 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: I mean think about it from Opie's boyfriend's point of view, like, yeah, 270 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: you this is a life changing opportunity to know what 271 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: kind of career he's thinking about doing. But like lawyer, doctor, 272 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: big money. 273 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 4: Big money, and his family's life forever. 274 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: Changes his famous off rather and if you think about 275 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: this relationship that he's having with Op like you, I 276 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: mean you had a People have girlfriends right before they 277 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: go to college. 278 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 4: They usually don't last. I hate to say it. 279 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: She might be the one, yeah, but like long term, yes, 280 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: this seems like the thing to to best benefit him. 281 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: It sucks. 282 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, he really wants to take so serious and he 283 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: feels like this is the only opportunity. 284 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, like that's what I'm reading. 285 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of hard to blame him. I 286 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: don't It's like I don't know if it's the right 287 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: thing to do, but it's like it's hard to blame 288 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: the dude, Yeah, in all honesty because because they're almost 289 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: in a way kind of like dangling the carot of 290 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: like unintentionally. But it's just like, uh, you know, it's 291 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: the perversion of the actual intended goal where it's like, Okay, 292 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: if I just like stretch the truth a little bit 293 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: on this part about myself, then that'll help me change 294 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: my life in whatever my family and whoever's life forever. 295 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 296 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: Right, But I also totally see what op He's saying about, 297 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: Like ultimately he's he's just doing this to impress his parents. Like, yeah, 298 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: I wonder truly in his core if like he even 299 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: really cares about getting into this top five university beyond 300 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: like Opie said, like he has his pick on any 301 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: of the top forty and probably the top ten. 302 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: Oh see, that's my thing too. He can definitely get 303 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: into the top ten. Yeah, I just want to know 304 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: what his passion is, Like how bad does he actually 305 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: want it? Yeah, he's like I want to be a 306 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: doctor in this, this and this. Then you have to 307 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: be like, Okay, what are you willing to sacrifice? Yeah, 308 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: but I feel like he can go to a top 309 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: ten school, get a doctor as be a doctor, a lawyer, 310 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: or whatever he wants to do, and still have the 311 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: same amount of money he would have even if he 312 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: went to a top five you know, maybe a little different. 313 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, but he would be living comfortably for sure. 314 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 315 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: The one thing I will say, and this is just 316 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: like a more of an outsider's view, is I feel like, 317 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: like a Harvard today is maybe still worth it, but 318 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: maybe like the number ten school, I don't know. I 319 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: honestly don't know, just because of the like Harvard Stanford, 320 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: Like the brand is so strong, Okay, Yeah, Like it's 321 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: it's almost like, uh, you know, Uber and Lyft, and 322 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: then maybe there's like some other random car writing service 323 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: that has like one percent of like you know what 324 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's like number one, number two, go 325 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: check number go check shut if you watch the volume sets, 326 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: you know what we're talking about. But ultimately, I think, 327 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: like if we want to go back to the boyfriend's 328 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: self interest, Yeah, I think what will happen here is 329 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: this could come back in the future to bite him. Yeah, 330 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: if anyone ever found out that he lied to get that. 331 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: On his application to get in, his career might be ruined. 332 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: Whereas if he simply honestly shares his experience being a 333 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: bisexual man and having also say that you have to 334 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: hide it from your parents, tell your story like that, 335 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: to me, I think would resonate with somebody who's looking 336 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: through applications and like connects with them versus like him 337 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: like basically lying and being like I'm gay and like 338 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: deleting all of it. All that fart's so funny, crazy. 339 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: I definitely see that point. Yeah, it's like it's really like, 340 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: it's tough one. It's a tough really is so. 341 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: Guys, put in the comments, do you think the boyfriend 342 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: should just go for it and stretch the truth to 343 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: get in to the top five to top five? Put 344 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: in the comments below, We're a little stuck. I think 345 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: I think we're a little stuck on this one, but 346 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: we got some relevant comments that maybe we'll shed some light. 347 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: So this comes from everything a salsa. The bottom line 348 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: is that your boyfriend asked you to lie about something 349 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: you were comfortable about lying about. That's a good point 350 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: you said, no, you get to do that. A good 351 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: partner won't pressure you to do something that you don't 352 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: think is right. I don't think it really matters whether 353 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: his lie is objectively morally right or a good idea. 354 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: There are intersection marginalities here that would require a lot 355 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: to unpack. There's also a lot that goes into the 356 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: risk reward decision of lying on the law school application. 357 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 4: Kind of like we talked about this law school. Who 358 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 4: oh dude, that changes. 359 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd be looking at them things, bro, They kind 360 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: of look for lies. You didn't want to participate, so 361 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: you said a boundary and offered him an out. I 362 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: think you should continue to stand your ground and stay 363 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: true to what you think is right here. Ope, realistically, 364 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: he didn't actually need to tell me anything. He could 365 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: have just privated his accounts and that would have been 366 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: good enough for the purpose of any admissions committee looking 367 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: up his social media unless they somehow and for whatever 368 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: reason tracks me down to extremely unlikely. The only thing 369 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: he actually needed me to do is not email the 370 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: school he's applying to and say he's not gay, which 371 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do anyways, and wouldn't have even considered doing 372 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: that had he not told me so. Paradoxically, I actually 373 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: appreciate that he's being honest with me for once, after 374 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: dodging pretty much any question about serious stuff with his 375 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: home life. He definitely has some trust issues, and I'd 376 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: feel pretty crappy about myself if I just made them 377 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: worse over something that actually wasn't that bad, so to me, 378 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: it does matter if this is fairly benign, like exaggerating 379 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: how many people are a part of the pre law 380 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: clubs he's president of. His application says around five hundred members, 381 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: which is true of the number of people on the 382 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: email list, but only like fifty people show up to meetings. 383 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: Man, he's a real stickler over here. 384 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: Or if it's worse than the standard selling yourself on 385 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: the application, If it was something like lying about his competencies, 386 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: then I'd have. 387 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 4: No part of that. 388 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd go so far as to 389 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: alert the schools he's applying to, but I would definitely 390 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: break up with them. 391 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. 392 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: If lying about being gay is on that level and 393 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm getting mixed messages, Yeah, I think so. 394 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 3: Going back to. 395 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: The original comment, Honestly, god, there's so many arguments you 396 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: could make here. You can kind of argue if he 397 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: did what Opie was just saying and he kind of 398 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: just like did it on his own and didn't like 399 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: implicate her by like which ultimately, I mean, what's really 400 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: gonna happen to her? But like if he didn't like 401 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: ask her to be part of the lie, then that 402 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: is better. 403 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, I think he definitely could have gone. 404 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 2: My thing though, is like the law school and your morality, 405 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: because honestly, this feels like a test to what kind 406 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 2: of career urgam ad dude, that is so true to 407 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: do this on an application to get into a school 408 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: and you get in, Like it's kind of corrupted. 409 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. 410 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 4: Follow you. 411 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: It will and it'll show up in other ways bad 412 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: karma for sure. 413 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it will definitely come up in different ways. 414 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 3: So yeh, God, this is so crazy. Another comment comes 415 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: from malanine. 416 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: Is it unfair to say that he didn't get into 417 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: an ivy league for undergrad because he is always trying 418 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: to find a way around doing the actual work. 419 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 3: Wow, that's funny. 420 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 4: Op. 421 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: Yes, he showed me in his college applications when I 422 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: told him it was pretty crappy to say that he 423 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: got denied from IVY leagues because he was Asian. He 424 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: was made Valedictornia at his high school, made International Science 425 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: and Engineering Fair, scored well on the American Invitational Math Exam, 426 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: but not well enough to qualify for the United States 427 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: of America Mathematical Olympiad. He had a perfect act and 428 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: sat everything else you generally expect from someone that gets 429 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: accepted into an IVY league, club leadership, community service, athletics, 430 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: et cetera. His essays were good and remind me of 431 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: the papers we write now for our third year of college. 432 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: He did admit that he was a little socially awkward 433 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: before coming to college, so maybe he flubbed the interview, 434 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: but it's hard to imagine that he messed it up 435 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: that badly compared to the weight of everything else on 436 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: his application. 437 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: I'm seeing a few things that he's missing to get in. 438 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: But what do you see from this from everything that 439 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: we read so far, Like why this school has him 440 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: on the waitlist? And does an apply man? Also, can 441 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 2: you google? 442 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: I think I remember hearing I think UCLA sued by 443 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: Asian American students or something like that. 444 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: Maybe that's what I was trying to think of in 445 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 3: the beginning. 446 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean probably my gut take on what's happening 447 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: here is that his application looks super good, but might 448 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: not be all the way up to like the top 449 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: point zero zeros years ors zers zers zero zero one percent. 450 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 4: I mean, like, I don't really know. 451 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: I never I was a college dropout, so I don't 452 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: really know like what exactly it takes at that level. 453 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: But I have to imagine that like everyone's got like 454 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: you can only get a perfect SAT score. You can't 455 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: go above the limit, right, And that's what it seems 456 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: like a lot of people are. They're basically competing for 457 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: and in the same stuff. So I could see like 458 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: thousands of applications where they're all the club presidents the 459 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: perfect SAT scores. Oh yeah, and then at that point, 460 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: what do you have to differentiate yourself with? That's kind 461 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: of what I'm thinking, being kay bing kay. 462 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: Who that is such a good point, But like so 463 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: I guess what would have made him This is what 464 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: I'm seeing that's different. The reason why that one shit 465 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: got in was one, I think she just had the money. 466 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: Correct, I think, yes, I think that's in that case 467 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 1: why that happened. 468 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: And then two maybe like little things like I mean 469 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 2: he said he was socially awkward if you're that smart, 470 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: like not saying you can't be smart and like perfectly social, 471 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: but like you're more mathematically or you know, you. 472 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: Might, like he said it himself, he might be a 473 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: little bit socially awkward and not be like the charismatic, like. 474 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 4: You're just taking a whole another level. 475 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 476 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so honestly, when everyone has the same literally 477 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: perfect application, what else do they have to judge people 478 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: on but the interview And they're like, well this person 479 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 1: seemed like like I left inspired, like I just went 480 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: to a TED talk and this guy like was kind 481 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: of awkward and didn't really compel me. They'll probably use that, Yeah, 482 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, they got 483 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: to use something, they got to have the best of 484 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, And like, in one sense, you kind 485 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: of can't blame them to a degree because it's like 486 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure so many of these applicants seem exactly the 487 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: same on paper and probably in their interviews and everything too, 488 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: like they're probably so freaking similar. 489 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, with you can only get perfect stser I don't know. 490 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: Maybe if people who have gone to big colleges or 491 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: maybe in admissions please educate us on this, because I 492 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: am truly clueless. This is I'm just pulling guesses out 493 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: of my wazoo, which I recently learned meant Booty Riley. 494 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: Did you see anything on the UCLA and I might 495 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: be imagining something. 496 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it said UCLA professor allegis system wide administration discrimination 497 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: against Asians in lawsuit. 498 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 4: So it was like a staff thing and interesting, Okay. 499 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: I think Asian American student blames affirmation action for college rejections, 500 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: but California law doesn't allow that. 501 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 3: Interesting it was in June of this year. 502 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I remember some and maybe maybe 503 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: that's that those those were what it was, But I 504 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: feel like I have seen stories about that where basically 505 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: like Asian people are suing for or like pushing and 506 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: saying that there's discrimination because organizations being like the Asian 507 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: percentage is too high, so we have to go with 508 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: other like we can't accept you because we have too 509 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: many Asians. 510 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: I feel like that's what I've seen. 511 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: But like the like the why is like forty percent 512 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: what I saw, like and they exactly That's. 513 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: Why I was like, Okay, well because there are yeah. 514 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 4: A lot of some but we're. 515 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: All feelings no facts right now, bus you want to 516 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: know a fact, Drily. 517 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 4: I think you have something for me, A. 518 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: Juicy update, let's tip the tea. Thanks everyone for the advice. 519 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: Both of us were busy with finals, so we agreed 520 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: not to talk about it until we were finished, and 521 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: most of our time together was just studying. Anyways, after 522 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: our last finals yesterday, we sat down and we talked. 523 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: He said that he wasn't going to put that on 524 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: his application and that I didn't need to do anything 525 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: like take any pictures down. 526 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 3: Okay, so he's decided not to do it. There we go. 527 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: He apologized and said that he was in the wrong 528 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: to prioritize our relationship below something that would only give 529 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: him a marginal advantage, if there's any advantage at all. 530 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: We've been dating for two years and he thinks that 531 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: there's real potential for us to be the rest of 532 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: our lives type of thing that should have taken a priority. 533 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 3: Okay, so that was good. 534 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 4: He sees the future. 535 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: He does. 536 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: Then I started asking him some questions along the lines 537 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: of what I saw commenters say, and he was confused 538 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: and then got angry. He correctly guessed that I'd posted 539 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: on Reddit about it. He was really unhappy about that, 540 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: but he said he'd pretend like that didn't happen as 541 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: long as I didn't do it again. 542 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 3: So I guess this is my last time posting here. 543 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 3: Oh wait, wait is she doing this update? After? He 544 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 3: was like, just don't post again. 545 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: Oh my good He said no to pretty much everything 546 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: comment to suggested therapy, cutting contacts with his parents, but 547 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: he did say that if there was a situation where 548 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: he needed to choose between having a relationship with his 549 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: parents and having a relationship with me, he would choose me. 550 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 3: Yo is big. That is big. 551 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: That changes a lot of things. Wow, Like it's determination. 552 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, whoa. 553 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: It wasn't everything I was hoping for, but it's a 554 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: good start and I'm hoping that I don't have to 555 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: go through this again in the future. 556 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 3: Wow. 557 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's the end of the story there, right, Yeah, so, 558 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: oh goodness, Wow, there's again. There's just like so many 559 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: things to unpack with this story, but to pick one 560 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: thing to choose and focus on it sounds like, you know, 561 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: we talked about in the beginning of like hey, maybe 562 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: maybe not as maybe not on him lying on his application, 563 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: but like let's say if he was like, hey, I 564 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: have to like fly and live somewhere for a year 565 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: in order to get into this university that will change 566 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: my life and will like be long distance or something. 567 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: That's like a case of like, oh, you know, this 568 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: relationship might not be forever, like you said, but I 569 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: like my careers forever, you know, and like me being 570 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: able to get opportunities for myself and like my future 571 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: family and my parents and whatever else. So I feel 572 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: like it's it's fair in certain instances to prioritize, Like 573 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: if he's like, hey, I have to live somewhere and 574 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: we have to be long distance for a year, Yeah, 575 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: that to me is a with conversation and with you know, 576 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: trying to like work it out, a reasonable thing to 577 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: bring to the table to discuss. Yeah, And this one 578 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: was yet just such a yeah, such a weird one. 579 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and honestly to the table. 580 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 2: Like his mom, I feel like, was like very harsh 581 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: on him and like, yes, that's the way why he 582 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: was willing to do all of this. 583 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, like he's smart. 584 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: He's smart kid, Like he's gonna be fine with whatever 585 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: he chooses or does. Yes, And I think now he's 586 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: seeing that and it's like it's good now, like he 587 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: sees a future with her and he's like I don't 588 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: want to give up this relationship. Yeah, So that's good. 589 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 2: That's good for him. 590 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: My hope is that he like him choosing his girlfriend 591 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: and you know, potentially like future wife over his parents 592 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: to me is saying maybe one day he'll also choose 593 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: his own happiness. Wow over like just going to the 594 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: school as parents want him to go to and all that. 595 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: But I totally empathize with your parents being like just 596 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: on your neck, keeping keeping the boot on you and 597 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: being like listen, what are you doing and just constantly 598 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: having to like just being prassed constantly and not wanting 599 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: to deal with that. 600 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 3: But dude, what a crazy one. 601 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 4: That is super coot. 602 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 3: You brought, you brought it. You brought a. 603 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: Good This is a different flavor, which would think is 604 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: a good one for for the Okay fam. 605 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: This is pretty good. I hope you guys are enjoying 606 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: all these that I'm finding. 607 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: But I just read a bunch of comments being like 608 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: Riley is finding some crazy bangers because hey, can we 609 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: can we get we love big Protein in the comment section? 610 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: Can you flood the comment section with love. 611 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 4: For our boy? 612 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 3: Do it now? 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