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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: George Nor back with you along with Sarah Grace as

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Speaker 1: we talk about our work journey Integration is a paramedic

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Speaker 1: psychic paramedic. Indeed, Sarah, do you remember the first episode,

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Speaker 1: the first case where you came across a deceased body

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Speaker 1: in an accident? What was that like for you? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I do, and thank you again for the lovely welcome here.

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Speaker 1: So my career started in south central LA and I

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Speaker 1: worked in Compton Englewood initially, and so we had a

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Speaker 1: lot of trauma and gunshot wounds and car act whatnot,

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Speaker 1: and the dealing with a car accident. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of logistics in general, you know. And it's interesting in

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Speaker 1: a trauma death. A lot of times the person is

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Speaker 1: on their way to work, They're just going through the

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Speaker 1: normal routine whatever, and then boom the next thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: in O their dad and so we or I would

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Speaker 1: see and you know, now, I know that there's quite

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Speaker 1: a few first responders who are also sensing things on scene.

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Speaker 1: And I would see the spirit of the person standing

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Speaker 1: next to the body, and sometimes I would see like

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Speaker 1: a celestial angel on scene, if that person was in

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Speaker 1: eggon respirations and not quite yet lifeless, that's amazing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is amazing. Were they kind of triped me out

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Speaker 1: because I honestly had no idea what to make of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, of course, the other EMTs could not see this.

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Speaker 1: Only you couldn't. They couldn't see it. Come to find out,

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Speaker 1: quite a few different people that I had worked with

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Speaker 1: sensed it over time. But I have to tell you, George,

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Speaker 1: because I was still so fearful of what I was

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Speaker 1: seeing and I had been told that it was you know,

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Speaker 1: that there was something wrong. As a result, I still

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Speaker 1: wasn't willing to kind of come out. I wasn't willing

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Speaker 1: to say anything about it. And as i've her own

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Speaker 1: and as I've kind of like opened into all of this,

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Speaker 1: the energies just started working through me on those nine

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Speaker 1: one one calls. So I was actively able to help

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Speaker 1: thousands of people in different emergence situations and dynamics, and

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Speaker 1: over time the fear went away because I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I can see this, I don't

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Speaker 1: know why I can feel this, or I know what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen before it does. But it's helping, you know,

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Speaker 1: So how about I get educated with it? What is

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Speaker 1: this anyway, you know, Sarah? Looking at it from the

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Speaker 1: soul's perspective, is there a difference between a traumatic death,

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Speaker 1: you know, dying in a car accident for example, suddenly

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Speaker 1: or you know, a death word's kind of prolonged in

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Speaker 1: the human at the time knows he or she is

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Speaker 1: going to die, but they just don't know when. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there is a big difference between a traumatic death and

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Speaker 1: a medical and or expected death. So what I noticed

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Speaker 1: is that in like a hospice scenario where somebody had

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Speaker 1: like a long term, end stage disease process, their their

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Speaker 1: chucker system would just ever so slowly begin to unfurl,

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Speaker 1: and it would start from the base of the spine

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Speaker 1: and unravel up and then eventually the soul passes out

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Speaker 1: either the chest but more oftentimes the crown, and that

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Speaker 1: person usually has days, if not hours, if not days,

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Speaker 1: where the veil is starting to thin. So they may

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Speaker 1: see death, you know, dead relatives greeting them, or they

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Speaker 1: may see diseased pets and start to communicate with them.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's a very orderly kind of organized experience.

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Speaker 1: The trauma death. However, it's like you know, um, you're

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Speaker 1: in a body and then you're not. And what I

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Speaker 1: the soul, and the souls that I saw often looked

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Speaker 1: like the person that we would be working on, that

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Speaker 1: they were more translucent. And what I would witness and

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Speaker 1: this was a bit more difficult, especially before I understood

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Speaker 1: what it was or why it was, but I would

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Speaker 1: which was obviously really disconcerting. And so the trauma depth

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Speaker 1: there's more of the shock. But I would see the celestials.

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Speaker 1: I would see a lot more angelic frequencies come in

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Speaker 1: on those types of scenes, and I would see them

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Speaker 1: do a bit of a debriefing, and it would take

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Speaker 1: from view. Do all souls have guardian angels and all

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Speaker 1: human beings have guardian angels with them? I think that

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Speaker 1: that's a great question, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: not necessarily super into the angelic realm in terms of

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Speaker 1: and I've seen it on a lot with a lot

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Speaker 1: say that absolutely everybody does or does not. How often

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Speaker 1: when you get to the scene of someone who has

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Speaker 1: kind of hanging around. So if it is bodies that's

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Speaker 1: been there for days or weeks, then the soul will

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Speaker 1: have already crossed or transitioned. More often than not, if

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Speaker 1: the body is you know, if they are in the

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Speaker 1: process of death, or if they're still kind of warm

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Speaker 1: I would often see the soul standing next to the body.

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Speaker 1: That scare you originally in the beginning, Yeah, it totally

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Speaker 1: tripped me out initially because I, you know, didn't know

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Speaker 1: I highly clairvoyant, that's my primary as being able to

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Speaker 1: see the energy but I also feel everything very very deeply.

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Speaker 1: So it was you know, running a nine one one

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Speaker 1: call anyway is intense, you know, and then adding that

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Speaker 1: sensitization was it was really overstimulating. So yea, at what

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Speaker 1: point does the psychic abilities kick in when you're on

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Speaker 1: the call, going when you get there? At what point

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Speaker 1: does it happen? Depending on the instance. A lot of

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Speaker 1: times when death was near, my tell was that I

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Speaker 1: would taste metal and I would start to feel as

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Speaker 1: though my body was stuffed with cotton, so I would

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Speaker 1: begin to lose the sensation of where my energy field

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Speaker 1: ended in the universe began, and so over. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was on the streets for almost fifteen years in

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Speaker 1: south central LA, then San Jose and Sacramento nine one one,

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Speaker 1: just lost that threat. George, Well, when you when when

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Speaker 1: you get to the scene, is it happened before you

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Speaker 1: even get there or you have to be another refreshed

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Speaker 1: I refreshed, thank you for the refreshed. Sometimes it would

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Speaker 1: When which which Which of the two would be more

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Speaker 1: prevalent UM, I would assume on scene unseen, Yes, I

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Speaker 1: But more often, yes, you're right, I think it would

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Speaker 1: get you know, the full logistics and energetic put share

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Speaker 1: with us one of your favorite stories, and then I'm

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Speaker 1: going to ask you for a darker story that might

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Speaker 1: have occurred. Oh, I've got so many. Would you like

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Speaker 1: me to read a short excerpt from my book or

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Speaker 1: you just want me to know talk just talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Let's just talk talk about um. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: one of my favorites all time was one of the

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Speaker 1: ones that I ran first in the first couple of years,

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Speaker 1: and I was in LA and this woman had end

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Speaker 1: stage whether it was it was an end stage disease process.

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Speaker 1: was just very demure and very calm, and there she glowed.

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Speaker 1: It was incredible, George, She just glowed. And I was

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Speaker 1: So I put down my clipboard and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I have to ask, like, this is incredible, you know.

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Speaker 1: she just looked at me and she's like, I'm made

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Speaker 1: of love. This is what she said. I'm made of love,

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Speaker 1: and I'm returning to love what is to be? And

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Speaker 1: I love that incredible. Yeah, just blew me out of

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Speaker 1: I ever saw that. Yeah, it was just so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: What about a story that's a little darker. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have you dabble with the dark side from her? How dark.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to go George? Really? Well, that's the

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Speaker 1: seventeen year old boy hang himself. Oh yeah, and those

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Speaker 1: Do you wonder what happened to him? What? Right? What

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Speaker 1: I don't know that a lot of people know that,

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Speaker 1: that was my whole upbringing. Yeah, that was my whole

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Speaker 1: you're but you're convinced that's not a person. I can

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Speaker 1: but I don't need my words. I can communicate telepathically,

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Speaker 1: better because if you start talking to something that nobody

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Speaker 1: else sees, right, Yeah, that's something listen to more Coast

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