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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Doug Gold. Have been welcome in to this

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Speaker 1: week's edition of All Ball. We got a great show

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Speaker 1: for you, a great pod for you. Excuse me as

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Speaker 1: Stephen Pearl, assistant coach at Auburn who just won the

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Speaker 1: on a crazy, crazy series of events that led to

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Speaker 1: Kyle Guy making three free throws in a row. Um

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Speaker 1: Seeen Pearl is gonna join us. We'll talk about his

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Speaker 1: personal journey to becoming an assistant coach, playing for his dad,

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Speaker 1: what this has been like being beside his dad as

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Speaker 1: a player when he got fired at Tennessee, what he

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Speaker 1: did one when his dad went to TV, and how

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Speaker 1: he's climbed the ladder at Auburn to be under the

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Speaker 1: defensive guru if you will for the Auburn Tigers in

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Speaker 1: the SEC Tournament championship and Final four run. But I

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Speaker 1: want to start with a guy who passed away this

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Speaker 1: week at the age of eighty one. His name is

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Speaker 1: John mc loud and um kind of quick rundown of

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Speaker 1: John McCloud. He was the head coach at Oklahoma with

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Speaker 1: Alvin Adams. He then went to the pros and was

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Speaker 1: head coach of the Phoenix Suns, coached in what many

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Speaker 1: people believe to be the greatest NBA game of all

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Speaker 1: time for overtime NBA Finals game against the Boston Celtics.

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Speaker 1: He was later the head coach of Dallas Mavericks in

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Speaker 1: the New York Nicks. And he was my head coach

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Speaker 1: he really unique career path right, Like he was a boxer,

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Speaker 1: he was not a basketball player growing up, and then

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Speaker 1: to my life growing up at a basketball household. That said,

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Speaker 1: what what basketball lost, maybe what society lost was a

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Speaker 1: complete and total gentleman. And some of these things are

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Speaker 1: some of a couple of my former teammates on who

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Speaker 1: are on the bigger and brighter things since playing at

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Speaker 1: home from a b C D camp. Back then there

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Speaker 1: then to Adidas. Got home from abc D, which was

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Speaker 1: at fairly Dickinson. Year before, I hadn't played as well

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Speaker 1: And then I started getting recruited by a couple of

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Speaker 1: I got home, and I'll never get the phone call. Uh, doggie,

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Speaker 1: coach John McLeod, head coach of not Tre Dame, how'd

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Speaker 1: I was like, coach, I have no name is a

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Speaker 1: grade school And he said, good tomorrow we're gonna announce

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Speaker 1: Big East Conference? And I was like, yeah, coach, and mean,

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Speaker 1: I grew up loving the Big East. You know, Scott

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Speaker 1: to Syracuse and watch Yukon and Georgetown and and and

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Speaker 1: tomorrow we're an announced not Tre Dame is gonna join

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Speaker 1: It was like, as I'd love to go, I'd love

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Speaker 1: to take a visit to Notre Dame. I had. I

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Speaker 1: didn't grow up I'm gonna grow up Jewish. I grew

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Speaker 1: most of you are basketball dudes, are basketball ladies that

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Speaker 1: match reality. Sometimes recruiters can be a little great with

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Speaker 1: more and more good people than there are bad people

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Speaker 1: forget my first team meeting at Notre Dame. He drew

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Speaker 1: be very nice. He'd be very nice and formal, shake

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Speaker 1: he would play some tape and it wasn't usually good. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He he was a man of immense class, respect, dignity,

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Speaker 1: And even after that he wasn't better. Well. I posted

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Speaker 1: He was always so classy and so dignified, even though

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Speaker 1: I mean he even smelled good. His hair was always cut.

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Speaker 1: tell him that you're leaving. He just broke down and

429
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: he couldn't do it. So we decided to stay outside Indiana.

430
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 1: And then I think, you know, Butler was next interviewed

431
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 1: for it, didn't get it, um, and then interviewed Milwaukee

432
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 1: and decided to take the job. Um, and then you know,

433
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: we just had to trust what he told us and

434
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: we kind of packed things up and uh and on

435
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee we went, okay, so now you're not now

436
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: you're more aware. Right now you're like high school age

437
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: and you're a you'd have Milwaukee. What was what was that? Like? Yeah,

438
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: it was it was you know, it was it was

439
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: getting up there trying to figure out, you know, what

440
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna do for for whom you basketball? I

441
00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out where I was gonna go

442
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: to the high school. And um, you know it was

443
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: it was cool. I mean I met some really good

444
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: friends early the groupers as you know. Um, Stephen Gruber

445
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: was the first guy I met at basketball camp when

446
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: I first got up there, and you know, he said,

447
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: my dad and your dad are gonna be really good friends.

448
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 1: So they introduced him to David Grouper, who you know

449
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: now Coach and David are really good friends. So, um,

450
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, being around it, I was kind of understanding

451
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: more of what I kind of took to build a program.

452
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,239
Speaker 1: Um and kind of watching it kind of involved in

453
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: front of me was really cool because I had more

454
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: of an understanding as far as what what was some

455
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: of the intricaces of what coach did every day. Obviously

456
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: didn't understand it as well as I do now, but

457
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 1: um to kind of see him build programs, you know,

458
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: watching him doing at Sound Indiana as a kid, but

459
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: then getting to see it at the high school level,

460
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: it was pretty cool as as being a coach's kid,

461
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: being like stepping back and like, whoa, you know, my

462
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: dad's pretty good at this. Um. You know, he's a

463
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: would do it. So Indiana they were you know, national

464
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: contender every year. And now he's at Milwaukee and we're

465
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: in the incub A tournament in year two and Dylan Page,

466
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: this is a layup against Notre Dame at the very

467
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: end of the game to send us the second you know,

468
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: the second round. UM. And then two years later, you know,

469
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: he takes that team and goes to the sweet sixteen

470
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: and and beats Boston College in Alabama. UM. So to

471
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: see him kind of build it in four years and

472
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: and really you know, beat really good teams in the

473
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: horizonally like Butler and Illinois Chicago and have those great

474
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: robberies and and win Horizon League championships. Um to kind

475
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: of see it as I've gotten older. It really gave

476
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: me a new perspective on how how good he was

477
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: at his job. Okay, so what is it that he

478
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: does like he has? He has? You know, like I

479
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: think so many of these guys, and I think most

480
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: people are good in their professional have it. It's just

481
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: a an energy about him that he can even when

482
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: he's not feeling great, you would never know because he

483
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: can in a way to dial it up, right, Like

484
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: if you and I know you like part of our travels,

485
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: not just knowing each other, but you get to meet

486
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: you know, ut movie stars and rock stars and and

487
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: other athletes, and they have this kind of they have

488
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: this well of energy that other people just don't have

489
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: and so even when they're tired, like damn, how's he?

490
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: You know? Um? Other than that, though, what is the

491
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: s Austin You've seen him maybe not old enough to

492
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: know it Southern Indiana, but at Milwaukee and then Tennessee

493
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: and now Auburn that he's able to to do to

494
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: generate success? Yeah, I think I really started to learn

495
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: it once they got too because as a playlist Tennessee,

496
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: you don't see the day in and day out of

497
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: a coach and all the things that go into it, UM,

498
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: But now that I work with them, UM, he just

499
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: cares so much. He cares. And it's not just like

500
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: it's more than just the coaching staff and his players.

501
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: He he genuinely cares about the fan base. He genuinely

502
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: cares about the university gen only cares about other sports

503
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: on campus. He genuinely cares about, you know, how we're

504
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,959
Speaker 1: perceived on and off campus. UM. And I think all

505
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: those things are really important in building a program and

506
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: building a foundation and building a culture. UM. The amount

507
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: that he they his you know, his level of care

508
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: is kind of just off the charts, UM. And I

509
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 1: think that's why he puts so much work into it.

510
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's why every community that he's been

511
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: involved in, you know, and the coach in the schools

512
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: that he's coached, just buy in and they kind of

513
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, revolve around him and they and they come

514
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: out to support the team even when the team is

515
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: not that good. I mean, we were at Auburn in

516
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: our first couple of years. We you know, we weren't

517
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: very good. You saw it, UM, but we still you know,

518
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: had had great home crowds, We still had great student turnout. UM.

519
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: So it just matters to him, Um, you know, to

520
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: be able to touch all those pieces and to be

521
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: able to make you know, the university proud and and

522
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: um yeah, I just he puts so much effort into

523
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: it because it matters to him. It really doesn't matter

524
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: that it's not just on the court stuff, that's everything

525
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: off the court that that's needed to kind of build

526
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: a you know, to build a program that wasn't in

527
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: in the greatest spot. Um. So I think that's the

528
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: biggest thing is just you know how much it matters

529
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: to him personally, um, and and all the people that

530
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, the athletic directors that that took the chance

531
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: on him, like he he feels, you know, he's in

532
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: debt to them and he has to reward them. So

533
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: he works, you know, he said he always says he's

534
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: not the most talented guy in the world, but he's

535
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: gonna work harder than everyone else. And he's kind of

536
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: had that mindset, you know, every single day. And you

537
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: talked about his energy, you know. Coach flann again, one

538
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: of our assistant coaches, went out recruiting with him last

539
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: week after we just got back from the Final four,

540
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: and he he's like, man, I don't know how he

541
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: does it. You know, we we we're going for three

542
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: straight days recruiting and he's just high level, high energy

543
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: the entire time. And it's just it's not an act.

544
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: That's just who he is. And he's able to kind

545
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: of do that everywhere he goes, and UM, it's kind

546
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: of just translated into being able to ton these programs

547
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: run and you know, winning a violence. Okay, so you

548
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: get to Tennessee. He guys take Milwaukee to the Sweet

549
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: six team and you go to Tennessee. You're coming up,

550
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: I think on your senior year in high school. Yeah,

551
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: what do you remember about the move to Tennessee. Um, Well,

552
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: initially I told him I wasn't leaving Milwaukee. I was like,

553
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: I want to stay and play my final year of

554
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: high school ball appearing, So I'm not going, you know,

555
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: without you. And I was like, all right, well that

556
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: kind of okay, that ends that conversation because I wasn't

557
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: gonna stop him from you know, making the biggest move

558
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: and transition of his coaching career, UM to go from

559
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: Milwaukee to Tennessee. So, you know, just like when we

560
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: moved from Edinsville to Milwaukee, had a ton of really

561
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: good friends and I didn't want to break ties with

562
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: and then moving down to a new place, you know,

563
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: for your senior season. It's tough because you know, you

564
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: obviously put a ton of time in UM, you know,

565
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: with you with your teammates over three years in high school.

566
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: So it was it was a tough move. But obviously

567
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: it made sense because you're in the SEC. Tennessee is

568
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: a good program with with some tradition, UM, an incredible

569
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: fan base, you know, all the different things that it

570
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: takes to be successful. UM. So we go down there

571
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: and UM, you know, obviously, well I'm trying to find

572
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: new friends and figure out what I'm doing with basketball. UM,

573
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: you know, just to kind of watch you know what

574
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: what what what? There was a Tennessee of UM buzz

575
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: Peterson left a really good team. UM had C. J. Watson,

576
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: you had Chris Lawton, John Smith, Major Winate, Dame Bradshaw.

577
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: You've had some really good pieces, UM, and what we

578
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: did just kind of fit that team perfectly. You know.

579
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: It looked very similar to some of the teams we've

580
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: had last couple of years. Undersized guys that shoot the

581
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: crap out of the ball and want to play fast.

582
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: Um that first year, you know, we go twenty two

583
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: and I think nine, get a two seed in the

584
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: n c l A tournament when the SEC East and

585
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: you know had had success right away. And then from

586
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: there it was just the snowball effect. Um, every single

587
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: year we go to sleep sixteen. The next year I

588
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: come into a freshman, I'm a red shirt. And then

589
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: just to kind of see it over time, over time

590
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: build and you know, um spending five years there as

591
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: a player red starting my first first year. Um, and

592
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get into the playing part of it,

593
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: but you know it's kinda um see what what he

594
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: obviously what he was able to accomplish there being a

595
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: national contender, being a contender in the NCC every year

596
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: with you know, um Kentucky and Florida and in Vanderbilt

597
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: and you know something in Mississippi State l s U.

598
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: Um kind of do it against the elite was you

599
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: know it was? It was? It was really cool. Okay, So, um,

600
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: you play your senior. Was there ever I thought you

601
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: weren't going to play for your dad? Yeah? There was.

602
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: I mean I was getting uh some low major interests,

603
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: some IVY League interests, there's a lot of division too interests.

604
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: You know, Um, it was all state and Tennessee average

605
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, only five points a game in high school.

606
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: So obviously I had some options out there. But um,

607
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like I thought, it was,

608
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I I'm one of those guys that

609
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: always got a chip on the shoulder and always trying

610
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: to prove something. And everyone always told me there's no

611
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: way you'll ever play at Tennessee. There's no way. So

612
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: I took that out of the challenge, and um, after

613
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: winning a lot of you know, different options, you know,

614
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: decide I wanted to go to Tennessee walk on and

615
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: and try and find a way to play. Um. So yeah,

616
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: there was definitely some thought early. UM, but you know,

617
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: you know me, I'm always up for a challenge. So

618
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: once everyone told me there was, you know, no way

619
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: you'd play at this level, that kind of made me

620
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: want to do it even more. Okay, so you arrive

621
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: at two thousand seven, that's your dad's second year, right,

622
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: and I just can't imagine it's hard enough to be

623
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: a walk on and then to be the coaches kid,

624
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: and he's trying to turn around and you're you're trying

625
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: to like earn respect. You're also trying to figure out

626
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: college because even though you you spent a year in

627
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: a college town, it's completely different once you're in the school.

628
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: What was that that process like and how did how

629
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: did the guys all honesty how they treat you? Yeah,

630
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: it was you know, we signed a ridiculous class that

631
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: first year you had. UM. It was like a top

632
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: ten class of Wayne CHISLM. Du Cruz, Mr Smith, Marcus Johnson,

633
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: and Josh Tat So it was a uh nationally highly

634
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: rated class UM. And we all kind of came in,

635
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: you know together, because I kind of helped recruit those

636
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: guys because you know, when they'd do on their business,

637
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: I was, I was there. So we did all kind

638
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: of come in at the same time, you know, as

639
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: a group, and you know, they treated me like, you know,

640
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: like like I had been recruited the same way they did. Um.

641
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: You know, I've been around the program the year before

642
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, so all those guys

643
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: that were returners that following year obviously all knew me.

644
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: But you know, they just treated me. They treat me

645
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: like anyone else because you know, quite frankly coach treating

646
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: me worse than any of them, So I know I

647
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: wasn't getting any preferential treatment. Um. So it was just

648
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: like I was, you know, one of the guys out

649
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: there and you know treated me, you know, just like

650
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: any other incoming freshman UM. But also with the whole

651
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: walk on tag, you know, they gave me a little,

652
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, a little extra crap like like you know,

653
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: like most walk ons do. You had to do some

654
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: of the extra stuff that you never want to do,

655
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: but I kind of have to as a walk on.

656
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: So there was never anything. It wasn't difficult, um coming

657
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: into the freshman walk on, you know, and being the

658
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: coaches kids, they kind of my team to you know,

659
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: did a really good job kind of seeing past all

660
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: that not having it ever be an issue. Yeah, that

661
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: was the year that you guys went like thirty one

662
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: in five right now. The next year that that year

663
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: we um went like two and I was like twelve

664
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: or something. Once the Sweet sixteen lost to Greg Oden

665
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: Mike Conny and the Sweet sixteen we were up nineteen

666
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: at half, I think in the shot like thirty four

667
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: free does in the second half, and uh kind of

668
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: came back and end up pointing the game. Um, okay,

669
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be doing my job as much as and

670
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: you and I have. I don't know if you know this.

671
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: We've never talked about, not just the barbecue, but like

672
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: people don't remember how things went down. Here's here's my

673
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: recollection of of kind of what happened with everything right,

674
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: not necessarily the it's that okay, So, uh what year

675
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: did we go to? It was Israel? Israel was myself

676
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: was two thousand ten, so two thousand, two thousand nine.

677
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: Um BP calls me and he's like, hey, I'm going

678
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: to Israel in a year. I'm gonna coach the maccabyteen.

679
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: I want you to to be my assistant when you come

680
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: with me. And I was like done in okay, And

681
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: um I didn't know, like so you have to kind

682
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: of commit a year in advance. And we had I'm

683
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: gonna say, didn we have it like a tryout like

684
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: weekend in Knoxville. I think that okay, okay, so so

685
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: so and this is this is my recollection of it.

686
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: So the practicability was sick and I had never I

687
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: hadn't been to Knoxville since my senior year in high school,

688
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: I played in some all star game at the arena

689
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: and we went out that night, like that's the only

690
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: time I ever been in Knoxville. So we stay at

691
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: your dad's new house, which he was just moving into.

692
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: It was just finished off or whatever, but the basement.

693
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: I stayed in the basement and he had like a

694
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: poker room that was with like vented parts of the ceilings.

695
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: You could smoke in the poker room or whatever. And

696
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: we had a couple of days of workouts and I

697
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: was like, this motherfucker can coach. Like I had never been.

698
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: I I never liked like the style of flex so

699
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: it cutters whatever offense. But I watched and I was

700
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: like this fucking dude can coach and um, and we

701
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: had a great time. And then I don't know if

702
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: you remember, my flight was like earlier than everybody else.

703
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: He had to get back and we were on a boat.

704
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: He got a free boat every year, right, Yeah, we

705
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: had a boat over year as part of a deal

706
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: on he did like speaking engagements for c Ray and

707
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: they kind of let him use a boat. Um in

708
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: the summer. So we had a couple of boats out

709
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: there and I think someone had they come and get

710
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: you on a jet ski to take you back so

711
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: you can get to the airport. Correct. Correct? I literally

712
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: had like a bag and like a jet and I

713
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: had a bag. He's like just throwing the boat, Well,

714
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: we'll take you to the airport. I was like, how

715
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: are you gonna? Don't worry about We'll figure it out, right.

716
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: So we had a bunch of guys and and we're

717
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: throwing back some beers and guys are water skiing and

718
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: jet skiing, and we're tying up the boat and the

719
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, shoot, I gotta go get the airports. Like

720
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: no problem. He's like, hey, can anybody take him to

721
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: the airport. Some guy pulls up on a jet ski

722
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: like I'll take him over there, and like it was

723
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: literally literally was like the most country ship everywhere. I

724
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: grabbed my bag, hopping the back of a jet ski

725
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: with like you know, no shirt on and flip flops.

726
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: Takes me over to like you know, like a trans am,

727
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: hopping the trans am and some random dude like you

728
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: go down the back yes, and you know they passed

729
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: me off the guy to guy and I get dropped

730
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: out of the airport. I'm like later, so um, somewhere,

731
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: and I don't remember what month of the year that was.

732
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that felt like August. So my wife

733
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: at the time had just gotten pregnant. If I find

734
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: the guy, let me know anyway. Um, So I didn't like,

735
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: I didn't think anything of going to Israel the next summer.

736
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: So we had Hayes Uh, your dude, Hayes in March

737
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, she'll be fine, Like I'm going

738
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: to Israel a couple of months, like, no big deal.

739
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: And then right as it came down the booking time

740
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, no way, you're going to Israel

741
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: while I have three kids three and under, Like, that's

742
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: just not happening. Not happening. So I came and helped

743
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: with the workouts at George Washington, right, and again I

744
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: was like, this fucking dude can coach. And he let

745
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: me do so much it was awesome. He's like you

746
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: don't like that, here, change it, do it. And then

747
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: while you guys were gone, that's when Aaron kraft D committed, Right,

748
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: wasn't it while you were in Israel? He was gone

749
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: for like the whole month of July and missed that

750
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: recruiting period. Is that is that accurate? Yeah, he was

751
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: going that entire month. Um, and yeah, I think I

752
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: think that's when it when it all happened. Um, there's

753
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: a couple of things going on back home with with recruiting,

754
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: and I just remember, Um, after the after he won

755
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 1: the gold medal in overtime, a VP was basically came

756
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: in the locker room, gave us one of the most

757
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: memorable speeches that will ever will ever hear um that

758
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: we can talk about in private one day, and then

759
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: basically just bolted out and went straight to the airport,

760
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: jumps on a plane and flew back to the United

761
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: States try and you know, fake some of the situations

762
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: that were going on in recruiting because he because he

763
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: had been gone that entire month. Wait, why can't we

764
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: talk about the what is? Because he cursed her because

765
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: he was talking about what it means to be a

766
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: Jew or or what was it? Because when I because

767
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: when we want it, because when we want I'll just

768
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: give you my personal experience. So I coached was it

769
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: two years ago? And um, you know, truth be told, Like, look,

770
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: we we go over there and I had never been

771
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, like the deal with for people don't know

772
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: the Maccabi games. So it's like the Jewish Olympics. And

773
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: I went over there when I was um in between,

774
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: right before I started at Notre Day at Oaklhoma State,

775
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: so I had played a year of college basketball, sat

776
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: out of you or and um, uh god, what's why

777
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: am I? Why am I forgetting what her browns our coach?

778
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: And we beat a team in the pool play by

779
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: sixty and then we played in the semifinals and ship

780
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: we got beat and you know, it's one of those deals.

781
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: We were playing too many guys and I don't think

782
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: he really her really understood what he had or how

783
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: do you know? I just remember, like, and we won this.

784
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: We won the silver medal against in the Israeli team.

785
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: We also got upset. But but the Americans and the

786
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: Israelitis are supposed to play in the championship game, and

787
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: you're supposed you're like, you're supposed supposedly have the best players.

788
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: The problem is that you know, if you're really, really

789
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: good and you're Jewish, you know, you're thinking about either

790
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: playing the NBA already playing in Israel and you've been

791
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: there ten months and you want to come home. It's

792
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: like a little bit harder. You're playing with kids sometimes

793
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: against men whatever, and there's the pressure of it. You

794
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: don't get any calls. So we played France in the

795
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: championship game. We stomped Israel. They had I felt like

796
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: they played too young a team, and we were pretty

797
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: we were really playing good well and we were up

798
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: like twenty and it got tight. I think we won

799
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: by six at the end, and so I didn't you

800
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: know my and I also like like BP. I got

801
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: on a plane that night because I had to come

802
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: back and work and I've been you know, like you're

803
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: gone like a month. And I loved it. But my

804
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: postgame speech was more I went through every guy because

805
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: I didn't play every guy in the championship game. I

806
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: felt a little bad about it, but I felt I

807
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: would have felt a lot worse that we lost. You

808
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: guys wanted like a last second shot, didn't you. Well,

809
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: we were down eight with me two minutes left, and

810
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: UM basically like we just Pepe like gave us four

811
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: just ridiculous play called UM a couple of back doors

812
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: and a couple you know, a couple of play calls

813
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: for shots and we end up tieing it. Um you know,

814
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: I think Steth Holbin made a layup with like five

815
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: seconds left to tie it up, and then we go

816
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: to overtime. We just spank them in overtime and um

817
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: end up winning the gold medal. And uh, it was

818
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: at the point when we were done eight, it was

819
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: not looking good and for us to be all to

820
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: come back and you know, BP always makes a joke

821
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: when you had Isaac, Joseph and Jacob as the three referees,

822
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: your chances of winning in Israel weren't looking very good.

823
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: And um, you know, weren't getting calls the entire game.

824
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: We're just getting screwed the entire time and just kind

825
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: of found a way to hang in there, and then

826
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: over time we kind of got hot. They just couldn't

827
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: take it away from us, and you know, we ended

828
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: up winning and and and really celebrating, and you know,

829
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: we all went out that night and saw these really

830
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: players that they're like the club they always go to

831
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: and UM in Tel Aviv and it was that's a

832
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Yeah. Um so, uh so you all

833
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: this stuff is going down and recruiting, you're in you're

834
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: in Israel, Like, did you have any idea did did

835
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: any of this. Did you guys know any of this

836
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: stuff was going down like you personally as a member

837
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: of Tennessee's basketball team. No, not at all really, I

838
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: mean I just I just knew that VP. Um something

839
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: had gone wrong with you know, one or two of

840
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: of of his verbal commitments. I think Josh Josh Selby.

841
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: Uh then with the Kansas was the other one. Um,

842
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: so something had kind of gone straight with both of those.

843
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: I guess Kansas have gotten involved and kind of, you

844
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 1: know what, it was messing up a little bit. And

845
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: uh so I know he had to get back to

846
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: kind of get in front of both those guys just

847
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: to kind of see what was going on because, like

848
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: he said, he's gone that entire month. But as a

849
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: member of the team, like you know, myname is like

850
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: when kids would come in on visits, like we you know,

851
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: didn't have didn't know a ton, We didn't follow recruiting

852
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: as much. It wasn't as like all of our social

853
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: media because social media wasn't like Twitter just started back then,

854
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like as all over the place as

855
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: it is now and as easy to find. We just

856
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, when coaches told us we had a host

857
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, we hosted, but besides that, we didn't really

858
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: have as much information on recruiting as as kids did. Know,

859
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: So what what was it? What was it like to like,

860
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: there's there's all this different part one year part of

861
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: the team, and he's in limbo your last years, last

862
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: year in Tennessee. Yeah, but too you're also his son,

863
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: right and and and like look like again those of

864
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: us who know him though that the BP is not

865
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: what I think some people will always negatively perceive him

866
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: to be. What was that, Like, what was that experience

867
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: like for you at the end or just in general

868
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: in general? I don't know, you know, just leading up

869
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: to it. I mean you obviously you know, being a

870
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: coach's kid as well, Like you get this prior all

871
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: the time. UM. You know, people always, you know, doubt

872
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: why you played. UM, And I always tell people, you know,

873
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: I probably should have been playing a year earlier. UM,

874
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: But coach, you know, put other guys ahead of me,

875
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: just because he didn't want people to think that he

876
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: was giving me any preferential treatment. UM. And we had

877
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: had some knockdowns, just fights over it, you know, in practice, UM,

878
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: just going back and forth. And obviously when I wasn't

879
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: playing like there was a little bit of a strand

880
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 1: in our relationship because I was a stubborn kid, um,

881
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: and he was just you know, a father and a

882
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: coach trying to do what was best for me and

883
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: what was best for the team. So, um, he was

884
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: in an incredibly difficult situations. Um. But then obviously in

885
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: my junior year, Um, you know, some things happened. I

886
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: was able to kind of get into the rotation and uh,

887
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, we go out there and have a great year.

888
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, we beat number one Kansas at home my

889
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: second game in the rotations, and then we're going to

890
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: have a pretty good sec season. We go to an

891
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: Elite eight or one point away from the final four. Um,

892
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, to play Butler in the final four, and

893
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: we lose by one in Michigan State Draymond Green and

894
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: Corey Lucius and those guys. Um. And then the next year, Um,

895
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: all the stuff happens with the n C Double A

896
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: and with with the barbecue and and it's all kind

897
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: of just like a cloud hanging over our heads. Um.

898
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: So to play for him that year, it was it

899
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: was it was tough. You know, there was just there

900
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: was a lot of outside noise and you know, not

901
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: really knowing what was gonna happen. And then he he

902
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: was suspended for eight games. Um, you know, and UM

903
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: to kind of see the wear and tear that kind

904
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: of took on him was it was to us, you know,

905
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: obviously as a player, but then as his son was

906
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: incredibly difficult because obviously you know how much how much

907
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: time and how much effort he puts into into his

908
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: job and to kind of see it falling apart um

909
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: there at the end was it was brutal. To be honest,

910
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: it was brutal. And then you know we go to

911
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: the into a tournament and get blown out by Michigan. Um,

912
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: the end was difficult, um, And it was really hard

913
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: to kind of seeing him in that in that stage.

914
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: You know, he never brought it to work though he

915
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: was always you know, composed and positive and he was

916
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: he was he was he was himself when he was

917
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: around us and around the coaches, around the team, but

918
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: just outside of that, I could kind of see, you know, um,

919
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: what it was doing to him. And yeah, like the

920
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: one word where it was it was brutal having to

921
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: go through that. Okay, So did you guys, did you know,

922
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: do you know he's gonna get fired. No, I didn't

923
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: really know. Um. I didn't know until we were on

924
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: the bus heading to Charlotte for the game, and they

925
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: had like put out a quote from the a d

926
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, basically like that he was unsure of his

927
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: his you know, his future. And that's when it first

928
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: clicked to me, like, oh, ship, this is this is

929
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: not gonna end well, um, you know unless we just

930
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, once the final four or something. Um, because

931
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: winning does miraculous things. But that obviously didn't happen, So

932
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: it really didn't. I really didn't know he was getting fired,

933
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: and so we're kind of heading to the game, uh,

934
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: to play Michigan. I really had no idea. Um, okay,

935
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: so like that, that's got to just be weird for

936
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: you considering your Tennessee Alum, you play basketball Tennessee. Yeah,

937
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure you love most of your time there. On

938
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: the other hand, like they fired your dad, um, and

939
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: he you know, and you know, he's it's not that

940
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: he didn't make mistakes, but he did own the I

941
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: always I just always felt like it was double jeopardy, Like,

942
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: all right, you spent may games like that's the penalty

943
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: like spend by games and then coach season and you

944
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: fire him when you always like, what was what was

945
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: the whole point of the thing? How does it? How

946
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: does it? How does it sit with you today? Forget

947
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: about him, How does it sit with you today as

948
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: a Tennessee elone. Yeah, I mean it's obviously difficult, But

949
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: at the same time, you got to realize that the

950
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: people that have made those decisions, um, aren't there anymore. Um,

951
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: you know they have you know, Phil Falmers is a

952
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: really good friend of our families. Um. You know, he's

953
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: the athletic director there and obviously, like you know, have

954
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: nothing but love for him and his family, and you know,

955
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: tons of respect for coach Barnes. Um. But I'd be

956
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: lined up, I said, it didn't you know, it still

957
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: didn't sting a little bit, you know, just thinking back

958
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: on it. Um Yeah, But then you gott like, like

959
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: like I said, you gotta try and put it in

960
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: perspective and realize that a lot of the people that

961
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: you know did make those decisions, you know aren't there.

962
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like if they hadn't made

963
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: those decisions, you know, we may not have ended up

964
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: at Auburn and we went to the Final four this year.

965
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: So I mean, at the end of the day, like

966
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: it's really all worked out. Um, he has all worked

967
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: out well for them. You know, they're in a great

968
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: place with with you know, for a while they weren't

969
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: in a great place. UM, but I think they found

970
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: their guy in coach Barnes and you know, obviously was

971
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: co champions the SEC last year and then you know,

972
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: made it to a Sweet sixteen this year. So they're

973
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: they're in a good spot. And I think we're in

974
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: a great spot being at Auburn. And you know, looking

975
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: back on it, you know, if you told me back then, um,

976
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: you'd end up, you know in two thousand nineteen at

977
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: Auburn and you've just come up and found four. You know,

978
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: obviously you would have taken it instantly, having a deal

979
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: with three years when we weren't in coaching. UM, I

980
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: feel like it's all it's all worked out well. You know,

981
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: there was definitely some some bitterness. There's a you know,

982
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: the Tennessee fan base was was always a huge, you know,

983
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: very supportive of coach and what he was all about,

984
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: and you know that that never changed. Um. But you know,

985
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: it's it's all kind of worked out for the better,

986
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: and I think we're, you know, all a better place.

987
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: Because do you have any of your Tennessee gear? I do,

988
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: I do, I got I still have. I still have

989
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: my jerseys. Um, so I haven't got my letterman's jacket though,

990
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: So if if anyone in Tennessee, here's this. I've been

991
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: waiting on a letterman's jacket for like five or six

992
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: years now and it's never gotten shipped to me. So

993
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: if we could a remedy that situation, yeah, I wouldn't

994
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: mind having that one day for my kids to see. Yeah, no, listen,

995
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: I had mine. Um, I never got one in high school,

996
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: so I was cheesing high school. And I had one

997
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: in college and they were kind of cool at my

998
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: Notre Dame one still which I haven't really rocked obviously,

999
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: a little still a little awkward, Um, but I have.

1000
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: I had an Oklahoma State when that was stolen at

1001
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: like it was it was like the worst game ever

1002
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: we played, oh you on the road. We'd beaten them

1003
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: my sophomore, my junior, and we were just terrible. I

1004
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: was personally awful, and I got my letterman jacket stolen

1005
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: from the locker room during the game. I did get

1006
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 1: out in a couple of yes, I did get one,

1007
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: and I so I do have it. So I feel

1008
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: you on that. Okay, UM, what did you do when

1009
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: when BP went to TV? What did you do? I

1010
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: did medical sales. I went and work for Striker UM

1011
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, Ron Barzac and Darren Way where my where

1012
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: my bosses, and um. Kind of you know, there's something

1013
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: I'd kind of worked on when I was still at

1014
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: Tennessee because you know, I had a chance to go

1015
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: play professionally overseas UM. But also at the same time,

1016
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: I had to kind of be realistic that I wasn't

1017
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: gonna be the most prolific star UM overseas and it

1018
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have, you know, turned into much for me.

1019
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: So I had to kind of make a grown up

1020
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: decision as far as what I was gonna do. UM.

1021
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: Coach just gotten fired. So I was like, you know,

1022
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what my next step was. And

1023
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to get into something right away

1024
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: to kind of you know, buy my time and and

1025
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: to have myself, you know, stay busy doing something. And

1026
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: I had kind of built a relationship with with Ron

1027
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: and Darren while I was a senior Tennessee and they

1028
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: basically told me like when whenever you finish, you know,

1029
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: they're this job could open up. You had be ready

1030
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, once we finished up in the tournament,

1031
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: I was in grad school. A couple of weeks later,

1032
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: Ron causing, head if this is open um, it's yours

1033
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: if you want it, but it's gonna fail quickly. So

1034
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: drop out of grad school and jumped right into medical

1035
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: sales and did that for three and a half years

1036
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: covering UM hospital surgery centers in the East End of

1037
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: Sea in southwest Virginia. What what what? What? Medical devices?

1038
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: I was selling saws and drills and UM A lot

1039
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: of different UM pieces of equipment that did like total

1040
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: joint surgery so that total needs little hips, total shoulders,

1041
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: um so saws, drills, cement mixers, tourniquet UH, tourniquet UM,

1042
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: you know, all types of different things for orthopedic surgeries.

1043
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: What was the nast garly a surgery that you had

1044
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: to sit down on man. I had to do some there.

1045
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: We had a certain product that like stopped bleeding, so

1046
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: I had to do some like O b q U

1047
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: I N procedures and the amount of respect I had

1048
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: for women now having to go through some of that

1049
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: stuff is it's incredible. It was. I don't know if

1050
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: you'd call it gnarly, but it was not. It was

1051
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: not fun, but it was quite the experience. Okay, so

1052
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: uh so so so but you but you make good coin, right,

1053
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: you're taking doctors out to eat, right, the hours are

1054
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: a little trying, whatever, but it things could be rougher

1055
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: for a recent college graduate. Um. Okay, So I always

1056
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: thought that your dad and look, I left ESPN right

1057
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: before he joined ESPN, and your your dad's one of

1058
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: those guys that should be it should be it should

1059
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: have been a superstar, right, it should have been al McGuire. Um,

1060
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: I don't ever think he was able to be comfortable

1061
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: enough like I you know what I mean. It's like

1062
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: like Seth Greenberg, who is very good and he was

1063
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: always good to your dad and like, but for whatever reason,

1064
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: like the two Jews, I don't know why it didn't.

1065
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: It just I never felt like they found the right

1066
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: guys with him to make it sing. Is that fair? Yeah?

1067
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: I think part of that is thatvidence. I think the

1068
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: other part of it is. I think once he started

1069
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: doing TV, I think he started itching to get back

1070
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: into it even more, just because he got around it again,

1071
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, no, listen, if

1072
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: you do. I telled you like when urban Meyer did

1073
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: the games when he was at ESPN, I told everybody like,

1074
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna coach again. Like if you do the game,

1075
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: you do the studio. It's kind of it's it's I

1076
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: like it because you feel like you can watch every game,

1077
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: but it's not the same whereas you do a game

1078
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: and you really prep for it. You watch tape, you

1079
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: talked to the coaches, you're you know, you sit there

1080
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: and watch film with him, You watch practice, You're like, dude,

1081
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: I miss it. I miss you even missed a losing

1082
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: as much as we missed the winning. And I know

1083
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: exactly what he was doing, Like you're sitting there covering

1084
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: games and he's at practice. He's writing, sit down like

1085
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: oh this will be good for what we do, you know,

1086
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: Like he's sitting there taking notes for if he ever

1087
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: got back into coaching, what would work, what wouldn't work.

1088
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: And I think he learned so much in those you know,

1089
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: those couple of years when he was working with ESPN,

1090
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: watching film, watching other teams, because when you're you know,

1091
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: when you're in it, and your coach you do. So

1092
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: you spend so much time on your on your team

1093
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: that you don't unless you really make a concerned effort

1094
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: to get out there during the summer and go sit

1095
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: down on other teams, which you know, which we do

1096
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: a pretty good job of. Um, you don't get a

1097
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: ton of time to kind of add to it because

1098
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: you're so busy doing a million different things. He had

1099
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: those three years to kind of refine his craft and

1100
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: and make what he did better. Um. And like you said,

1101
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: I think being around practices, being around the kids, um,

1102
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: the ins and out, the intricacies of of what you

1103
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: do every day. I think it made him miss it

1104
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: even more so. I think getting back into TV was

1105
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean a major reasons why he got back into coaching. Okay,

1106
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: so he did he call you first and say he

1107
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: was taking the Auburn Like, well, how did the Auburn

1108
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: thing go down? In terms of the your knowledge of it?

1109
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: So we were um heading down. It was me uh

1110
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: VP and then my buddy Jordan Howe who played with

1111
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: Near Tennessee. We were actually driving down to Atlanta. I

1112
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: think coach had something going on in Atlanta, and then

1113
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: we just wanted to go down there to watch the

1114
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: SEC tournament. We're going down, you know, the support Tennessee UM.

1115
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: So we're going down to watch the game. And Jordan

1116
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: is from Auburn, Alabama. Originally his mom still lives there.

1117
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: His brother played at Auburn. You know, Jordan was recruited

1118
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: by Georgia, Auburn, Alabama and Tennessee end up going to Tennessee.

1119
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: So Jordan was around in Auburn when you know, you

1120
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: had UM Chris Porter and the Cliff l S days.

1121
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: So like he was around when when Auburn was was

1122
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: last really good. So we're in the car and you know,

1123
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: you obviously hear the rumors circulating that Tony Barbie, you know,

1124
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: is gonna get fired at the end of the year,

1125
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: and VPS in the car and just fight out. Says

1126
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: that Jordan, he says, you know, Jordan can Auburn went

1127
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: in basketball, and Jordan was like, honestly, BP like I

1128
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: was there, you know in the early nineties when it

1129
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: was really good, and I feel like if you were there, yeah,

1130
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: they can they can one again. And that's kind of

1131
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: really how how it all started, least how I remember

1132
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: getting started. And then over the next couple of days,

1133
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: you know, things really started to pick up as far

1134
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: as discussions between you know, um J Jacobs, David Benedict

1135
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: and coach and Um that's kind of where it all

1136
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: got started. And then they came up and visited with

1137
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: us in his kitchen. Um sat back, drank a few beers,

1138
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: talked about it, and you know, um, coach obviously wanted

1139
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: to make sure that, you know, before he did anything

1140
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: that that Brandy and you know, the rest of his

1141
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,479
Speaker 1: his kids were were good with it. And I think

1142
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: I think my siblings were more excited about getting back

1143
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: into coaching than than he actually was. He was excited,

1144
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: but my sister is my little brother. You know. Then

1145
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: they eat it up and they love it and they

1146
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: just you know, they live for going to games and

1147
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: going to tournaments and you know, Um, so they were

1148
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: obviously really excited about it, and I think that made

1149
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: his decision that much easier. Okay, so did he immediately

1150
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: go like, hey, you're come with me? I mean, what

1151
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: was the what was the conversation like when you when

1152
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: when he took the job. As far as you're working for.

1153
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: So I was kind of in a transition period with

1154
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: my job. I was about to kind of get interviewed

1155
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: to be in my own territory, you know, if I

1156
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: if I had earned one. So I was kind of,

1157
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, looking to relocate at that time anyway, UM,

1158
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: and then the opportunity came about, and I was kind

1159
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: of itching to get back into it. Anyway, I was

1160
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: doing a Saturday morning radio show UM in Knoxville, so

1161
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: I was, you know, doing I was kind of getting

1162
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: back involved in the sports thing. And you know, Um,

1163
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: I was twenty six at the time, so I was

1164
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: still young enough to kind of switch professions and still

1165
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: be able to get back into medical sales if I

1166
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: really wanted to. UM. So we talked about it and

1167
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, I was like, you know,

1168
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: what, what what would you think about us kind of doing

1169
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: this thing together? He said, you know, obviously I'd love

1170
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: for you to be there with me. Yeah, I trust you. UM,

1171
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna You're gonna be good at this

1172
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: if you do it. You know, you just gotta understand

1173
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: that you got you dont have to work for everything again, Like,

1174
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna hand you an assistant coaching position,

1175
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, just because here my son I would get

1176
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: down Auburn, so very similar to how it was when

1177
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: I played for him. You know, we talked about doing

1178
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: it together, building it together, you know, knowing that it

1179
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: was gonna take some time. UM. And you know you

1180
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: know this with with your dad and with your brother.

1181
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: You know, some of your most important accomplishments in life,

1182
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, when you did it, do them with your family,

1183
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: They make them that much more special. UM. So for

1184
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: us to be able to kind of go down there

1185
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: and do it together, you know, it was pretty cool.

1186
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: And I gotta I got a quick reality check very

1187
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: quickly when I got down there and my role was

1188
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: the assistant strength coach, and I was making uh not

1189
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Um, how do you making? How's

1190
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: you're making your first year? Uh probably fifty fifty or

1191
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: sixty maybe. So it took took a pretty big pay

1192
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: cut from doing medical sales, um to go down there

1193
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: and kind of start working in Auburn. Um. You know.

1194
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: So I've worked as an assistant strength coach for a year, uh,

1195
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: did operations for two years, um, and then now and

1196
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: in my second year as a full time assistant coach

1197
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: and and you're you kind of become like his right

1198
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: hand guy, right Like you do that you do the defense,

1199
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: don't you. Yeah? I mean had I had a big,

1200
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: big part of of kind of building our defense last year, um,

1201
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: and just a ton of like in game adjustments, just

1202
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: trying to help him manage the game. Um. The coolest

1203
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: part about working for him, and this goes for anyone

1204
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: on our staff, is he is open to any and

1205
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: all suggestions. Just like when you were coaching us when

1206
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: we were getting in the cobby games, Like if you

1207
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: had something you wanted to run with, like you will

1208
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: let you do it. So last year when we were

1209
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: kind of going through everything and we were down to

1210
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, three guys in the staff, you know, or

1211
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: for three to five guys in the staff, it really

1212
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,959
Speaker 1: made a lot of us have to step up and

1213
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: and you know, have bigger roles and what we were doing.

1214
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: So I took over the defense, um, you know, Chad

1215
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: Pruett and Burgo Matt Mike Burgomaster helped out with the offense,

1216
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, and Harris just kind of oversaw everything he

1217
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: was you know, he just kind of helped out with

1218
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: in every single area so I was kind of able

1219
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: to have more of a voice defensively last year, um

1220
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: on this team, and it's kind of carried into this

1221
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: year with with coach Flanagan. Um. So yeah, just you know,

1222
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, we have a really good dialogue.

1223
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm able to say things to him that

1224
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: no one else in the staff is being able to

1225
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: stay to him. UM. So I think that's good, um

1226
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: for our staff to be able to bounce things off

1227
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: of me, because I'll be I mean, I'll be able

1228
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: to know how how coach will react to certain things.

1229
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: And you know, he uh, he lets me get away

1230
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: with a little bit more just because we have a

1231
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: little bit of a tighter relationship. But um, it's very healthy.

1232
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: It's you know, obviously been a tough fun and to

1233
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: kind of do what we were able to do this

1234
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: year was it was it was a blast. But it

1235
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: is interesting how you're able to do what you would do,

1236
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: like you know, Mustafa heron transfers. Um, you know, the

1237
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: the you know, the check person thing obviously is still

1238
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: kind of still kind of looming. Right. Harris Adler decides

1239
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: to get out of basketball and go work back in Philly,

1240
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: and you know that was you know, a personal decision

1241
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: has been written about like Harris is an awesome dude, UM,

1242
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: and so like the you if you're outside the program,

1243
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: you be like, man, this could be really bad. How

1244
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: did it come together to be the opposite and be

1245
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: really good? I just think the culture that we've we've

1246
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: built with our kids is just so strong right now.

1247
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: You know, we have so many high character UH kids

1248
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: in that locker room that you know, even when something

1249
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: really bad happens, they're able to kind of find together

1250
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: and fight through it. You look at what happened last

1251
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: year with you know everything with with UM during the season,

1252
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, having to lose a few staff members. You know,

1253
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: we end up coming together. That team wins an SEC

1254
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: championship and goes to the tournament for the first time

1255
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: two thousand three. UM. And then this year, you know,

1256
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: you've got the Stafahern transfers, you have the Shawn Murray transfers,

1257
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: you have David on Mitchell transferring, You lose three of

1258
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: your top you know, eight or nine guys, and then

1259
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, we just bring in new players, UM, guys

1260
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: that had lesser roles last year had to step up, UM,

1261
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: and we end up coming together winning twelve or thirteen

1262
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: straight at the end of the year, um, and then

1263
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: gone to the final four. And then on top of that,

1264
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: we beat beating North Carolina and our best one of

1265
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: our best and actually our best player, Tears is a

1266
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: c l in the game. And then we have to

1267
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: go play Kentucky who had just beating us by thirty

1268
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: back in February, and those guys come together and win.

1269
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: So I think it's just it's a huge testament of

1270
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: the culture that that VP is built. Um. It's a

1271
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: resilient locker room. It's a resilient group of kids, and

1272
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, we have it's such a family atmosphere that

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Speaker 1: when when something like you know what's happened, you know,

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01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: a couple of different instances has happened, it kind of

1275
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: brings our guys closer together and we kind of play

1276
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: for each other. Okay, so how do you what what

1277
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: is the secret to the culture? How do you build it?

1278
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: What is that you guys have team building things? Do

1279
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: you have things that you have to do every day?

1280
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: Is there living arrangement things like what's different about Auburn

1281
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: from every other school that allows you guys to have

1282
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: a better culture than some most other schools. In your opinion,

1283
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: I think it's Yeah. I think it's the trust from

1284
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: the freedom that that BP has and gives to his players.

1285
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: You know, some people criticize us because of the shots

1286
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: that we take, but the reason that they're able to

1287
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: take those outs because VP lets them, and in return,

1288
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: that makes them want to do, you know, do everything

1289
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: for him in return. You know, if you're allowed to

1290
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: play with tremendous freedom offensively, um, the guys are gonna

1291
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna guard for you, they're gonna rebound

1292
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: for you, they're gonna go to class for you, they're

1293
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: gonna do community start, they're gonna do things that you know,

1294
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: other players may not do because they know their coach

1295
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: trust them. Um. So I think the fact that coach

1296
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: has tremendous trust and his players and gives them tremendous freedom,

1297
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, makes them kind of fight for him. Um.

1298
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, just having good kids

1299
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: in that locker room, they've all kind of binding together

1300
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: as a really you know, as a good group of friends. Obviously,

1301
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: winning helps a lot of those things, but I think

1302
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: the culture that was built, you know, on on that

1303
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: trust and on that freedom. Um has really made a

1304
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: healthy environment and has really shown off over the last

1305
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: two years. Okay, so you mentioned like all the things

1306
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: that you guys had going at the end right when

1307
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: um Chuma ends up tearing his A C L. Right,

1308
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: but you also have you know, wildly struggles to practice

1309
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: all the time, right because of his body, and you

1310
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: know he's had some things and UM, you know it's

1311
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of a you know, you guys always play

1312
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: a difficult schedule. The SEC was really has gotten really

1313
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: really good. That's what happens when you hire really good

1314
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: coaches throughout the league, they get very good. You know,

1315
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: you're getting good players and teams get super invested in it. Um,

1316
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: was there a moment this year where you felt like

1317
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: because you did like one time you played Kentucky you

1318
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: got run out of the building, right, So when was

1319
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: there a moment you're like, Okay, this is different. Yeah,

1320
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: I mean at that point we were seven and seven,

1321
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: like E T and eight, Um, But we always knew

1322
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: that with this the team's ability to shoot the ball,

1323
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: UM and just like we call I don't know if

1324
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: this is even a word, what we called it, our

1325
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: spurt ability was better than anyone in the country. We

1326
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: could run off at twelve or thirteen point run on

1327
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: people in a matter of second. Um, So our ability

1328
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: to do that, you know, still gave us a chance

1329
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: to be dangerous. You know, like you said, Austin was

1330
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: was injured in and out during the year. You know,

1331
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: Truma had gone through a slump early in the season. Um,

1332
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, still guys were still trying to figure out

1333
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: their roles because we had ten or eleven guys that

1334
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: were all capable of starting. So um. I think the

1335
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: biggest thing is once we started winning at the end

1336
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: of the year and started finding ways, when guys started

1337
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: buying into their roles a little you know, more willingly,

1338
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: and I think it made everything click. And then on

1339
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: top of that, you know, um, everyone was shooting the

1340
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: ball at pretty high level. So when you're able to

1341
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: make shots, you know, you're able to fly around defensively

1342
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: make plays, it just makes you know, it makes winning

1343
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: a lot easier. And it just everything kind of jelled

1344
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: at the right moment because I think I think the

1345
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: biggest thing was the kids all kind of came together

1346
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: and said, listen, we could either you know, go to

1347
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: a final four or we could be in the first

1348
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: four and lose or miss the tournament. And I think

1349
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: they as as a unit kind of got together and

1350
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: made a conscious decision to accept their roles, um do

1351
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: what needed to be done to in and UM, I

1352
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: think that made the difference of everything. Take me to

1353
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: the final four. You're you're up four, You're at four,

1354
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: and they have the basketball. Now, Kyle Guy hit a

1355
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: tough shot. I was thinking in my head, maybe you

1356
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: start fouling now, right and again and and this is

1357
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: it sounds like high hindsight on a path on a

1358
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: on a podcast, but I did think maybe. And I

1359
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: didn't even realize how many fouls you had to give.

1360
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: But I almost feel like when you're up for, the

1361
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: only way you lose is if there has to be

1362
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: a three um in order to to beat you end

1363
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: up being you know, essentially to threes one with the

1364
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: three main free throws you're up for. What do you

1365
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: remember thinking? Yeah, I mean, like you said, hindsights everything. Um,

1366
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: you can sit here and think about it a million times,

1367
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: but you know, prime, our primary thing was, you know,

1368
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: our free throws. You're at the line making free throws.

1369
01:05:55,600 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: You know, um, you know quite frankly, like Anthony made

1370
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: those free throws last year, hadn't shot him very well

1371
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: this year, so we're hoping he'd made the free throws first. Um. Secondly,

1372
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: we only had one time out at the time, UM,

1373
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: so we didn't want to call it and burn our

1374
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: last time out to set up our defense because we

1375
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, thought we had been playing pretty good defense

1376
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: us at that point. UM. And we didn't want to

1377
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: tell him live ball as we're shooting the free throws,

1378
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of the game too foul,

1379
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: because we didn't want it to get confused and kind

1380
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: of lost, just from what I remember. And then like

1381
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: you said, like that's probably a ten or you know

1382
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: made shot that he shot in that corner. You know,

1383
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: sameir had a good contest on it. He's twisting and

1384
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: turning out of bound. So I mean, you know, you

1385
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: can look back and say we should have fouled. We

1386
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: only had four thousands of time UM, so we could

1387
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: have definitely mild some time at the clock. But um,

1388
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, we made him shoot a tough contested shot

1389
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: falling out of bound at the corner. You know, as

1390
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: a coach, you you know, you gotta live with that. Um,

1391
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: that's you know, it's a lower percentage shot than him

1392
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: going to the line and making two free throws cutting

1393
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: it too too. And then you know, um, you looked

1394
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: at the end of the next guest state game, you know,

1395
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: when we basically took the ball over the general last

1396
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: sixty seconds of the game, like if that could have

1397
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: happened again. So we we thought pretty good about our

1398
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: defense and how we're how we're guarding them at the time. Um,

1399
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: so up for you know, we uh you know won

1400
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: the mega shoot a tough contested shot, and they did.

1401
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: And you know, Kyle guy made a hell of a

1402
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: place to give him long credit. Okay, So, uh Jared

1403
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: gets the ball, and um, look he's a very good

1404
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: free throw shooter. And I'm trying to think did he

1405
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: make free throws or a jump shot to win the

1406
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: state championship. I think it was his junior year. Um,

1407
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: I remember covering you guys like his freshman year and

1408
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: you're like, this kid's stud Yeah. I just felt like, yeah, okay,

1409
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: so like here's the guy in granted it's a little

1410
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: bit bigger stage. By the way, what's it like with

1411
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: all this stuff? It's so much differ you know you

1412
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: were the one guy that would stand up and get

1413
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: kind of on the stage. But how different, how how

1414
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: difficult is it coaching, and how different to to relay

1415
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: things to your team when you're down you know, a

1416
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: whole you know, three yards a yard below the level

1417
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: of the playing surfaces opposed to be like in terms

1418
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: of communication, and what's the difference they're like as opposed

1419
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: to at other times in the year. Unless you step

1420
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: on the floor, they can't hear a word you're saying.

1421
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: So it's it's you basically just held a front row

1422
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: seat to a Final four game. If you're an assistant coach, Now,

1423
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 1: if you find some opportunity to jump out there, like

1424
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: during three those to kind of communicate things, you can,

1425
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: But in live ball, if there's there's no communication with

1426
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: any assistance. So anything that we had we had to

1427
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: relate a coach to kind of relate to our guys

1428
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: um and get get the message out there to them

1429
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: on the floor, because when you're when you're that far

1430
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: back and you know, it's that open up, there was

1431
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: really no communicating with the guys and what it was

1432
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: during timeouts or during the vault. So uh so he

1433
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: misses and obviously you guys start to kind of process

1434
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 1: a fouling. Did you see your dad has said he

1435
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: didn't see the double dribble. Did you see the double

1436
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: drib Yeah, I saw it pick off his foot. I

1437
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: wasn't sure if Bryce had touched it or not Bryce

1438
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: was trying to foul him. Um. I did see him

1439
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: pick up and put it back down, and I did

1440
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: scream it out. But you know, I said it in

1441
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: a in an interview. It's a bang bang play um.

1442
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: You know, It's it's hard to kind of see that

1443
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: at that moment. He may have been looking to see

1444
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: if Bryce was fouling him and just missed it. Um,

1445
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: But definitely from my angle, I saw um, I saw him.

1446
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: I saw Jerome pick up the ball and put it

1447
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: back down, you know, and and thinking that it was

1448
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 1: a double dribble time. But you know, it's just it

1449
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: happened so fast that you know, it could have been

1450
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: pretty easy to miss. It is one of those things,

1451
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: and again this is all this is all hindsight. It

1452
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: is one of those things when the other team thinks

1453
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: you're as soon as they're you're going to foul, like

1454
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: he end up taking you know, a half court Heath Right,

1455
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: you almost feel like, man, could you could you design

1456
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: a call that that signifies your act like you're gonna foul,

1457
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 1: but you don't actually foul, which will entice them to

1458
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: take a terrible shot. Right. Is that something I think

1459
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 1: maybe in the future teams could practice and put in

1460
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: You could and you just have to have incredible trust

1461
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: and says to not do it. And then I also

1462
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: hope that the referee doesn't, you know, kind of blow

1463
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: the call a little bit early thinking that you were

1464
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: trying to foul um, so that that's a tough one. Um.

1465
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: But you know, we had told Bryce, you know, we

1466
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: told Bryce the foul. And now when when Jerome had

1467
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: kicked the ball and he had picked it back up,

1468
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: would it had been great if Bryce didn't foul him

1469
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: at all and made him take a tough shot to that. Yeah,

1470
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: But Bryce was just following instructions from his coaches and

1471
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: and we told him the foul, so we filed and

1472
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: then they got the side out of bounce play, so

1473
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: they running the side out of bounce play. You've poured

1474
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 1: over all the different tape, right, You've done watching the

1475
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: tape and watching synergy. Did you know what was coming. Yeah, yeah,

1476
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: you told them board and um, you know we talked

1477
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: about it outside of the breakfast spot in the other morning.

1478
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: We told, you know, we tore our end nondefender, do

1479
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: not let them pass the ball um to the corner.

1480
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I didn't see live ball,

1481
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: and then I saw as I looked back at it,

1482
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,560
Speaker 1: he was able to take like five steps back. So

1483
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: it really didn't matter if you had to sell on

1484
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: the ball. His angle to that pass in the corner,

1485
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: there was unless unless our guy was standing out of bounds,

1486
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: which would have been a violation. There was no way

1487
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: to to defend that pass the corner because of how

1488
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: big the playing surface was. So he was able to

1489
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: get a very clean pass the corner because he backed up.

1490
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: Made made a really smart play and I'm sure coach

1491
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: Benett told him to this back up and we talked

1492
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 1: so in in in hindsight with that little time remaining

1493
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: and again knowing now that like again final four floor

1494
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: and for you know, like guys listening to this podcast,

1495
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: now it's your basketball guys. So like if you're if

1496
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: you're lining up in a regular game, there's no space,

1497
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: right they can tell you to back up. But as

1498
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: long as you don't cross over line, there's no We've

1499
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: seen games of Kansas like this. We're just there's no space,

1500
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: there's nowhere to see. And like Austin Wiley's a big dude.

1501
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 1: That's a really hard pass no matter how and and

1502
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: you want to put a good, good passer there. So

1503
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: oftentimes they're not a big guy. But because the final

1504
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: four playing services so large, he can back way up

1505
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: and he has a clear So again in hindsight, now

1506
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: for a final four, when you have that type of space,

1507
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: do you do You play in front of him and

1508
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: then play widey, you know, guarding the rim, guarding over

1509
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: the back and make him throw the ball over the top.

1510
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: Is that like, if you could do it all over again,

1511
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: how would you do it? Yeah? And hindsight, knowing what

1512
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: we know now, you'd probably put a guard on the

1513
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: ball just in case he like throws it to someone

1514
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: and get the handback for a shot. Because I was

1515
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: kind of concerned with awesome ball if they could have

1516
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: gotten a shot for Jerome Um and as a five man,

1517
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: he may not have recognized to do that. Um. And

1518
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, just hindsight, I would have you know, put

1519
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: put just matched up normally put off at the rim

1520
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: because that the lob was actually open um. I wish

1521
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: you would have thrown it from get have gone over time,

1522
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: but he didn't throw it. And then Kyle guy, you know,

1523
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: we're supposed to switch that scream, but smear or you know,

1524
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: we gave the ability to stay with him, and Samear

1525
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: stays with him. And obviously, you know, everyone knows what

1526
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 1: happens in the corner um. But you know, if you

1527
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: could do it all over again, obviously you would match

1528
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: up a little differently, knowing that you can't really deflect

1529
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: that corner pass. Here's a here's a tough question to answer.

1530
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: Let's say he missed the third free throw, okay, and

1531
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: gave you guys new life. I'm just wondering what that

1532
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: huddle was like when you called time out before the

1533
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: third free throw, whether there was the because you know,

1534
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: I've talked to Bill about this, and Kansas talked about it.

1535
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: You know, back at the time when they came back

1536
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: and tied the game to beat Memphis in the National

1537
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 1: Championship game, they walked over to the bench and they

1538
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: were like, it's over right, because you have the game

1539
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: one and then all of a sudden, now you're going

1540
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: to overtime. They were like, it's over. Um. Obviously that

1541
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: wasn't even the case with Virginia in the championship games,

1542
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: as in, despite despite the fact that kind of some

1543
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: of a sort of similar situation right there up three, um,

1544
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: text Tech actually had the lead in overtime and kind

1545
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: of had a little bit of control there. But I'm

1546
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: just wondering if you thought that it was so devastating

1547
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 1: to be that because I'm sitting rows back and I

1548
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: thought it was over, Like I'm like, where's the where's

1549
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: the where's the celebration? Like, oh, because the fouls in

1550
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: the opposite side. I can't I can't imagine trying to

1551
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 1: figure out get your balance and then go and play overtime.

1552
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: What do you think you guys would have been like

1553
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: in overtime? I mean, I think we've been pretty good. Um.

1554
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: You know, we had a similar situation, UM in the

1555
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: Kentucky game when you know, Bryce didn't give the ball

1556
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: to his point guard and then Horse dribbles it down

1557
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: and you know Horse gets get shoots the st to

1558
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: try and win the game. Obviously, a little upset of

1559
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: we could have warn the game in regulation. Um, but

1560
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: they you know, they gathered, they got together, and you know,

1561
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: they still found a way to win that game over

1562
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: time by by seven or eight points. So I feel

1563
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: like even when they throw over to the bench after

1564
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: you know, his second free throw and we were drawing

1565
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: up a play just in case he didn't make it,

1566
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: they're pretty locked in, pretty engaged as far as you know,

1567
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 1: if he doesn't make it, you know, we'll find a

1568
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: way to get a clean look. And I mean if

1569
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: we've gone to overtime, you know, they've been through so

1570
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: much this year that I think, you know, we gotta

1571
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: bounced back well and you know, trying to town the

1572
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: way to win the game. What are those moments like

1573
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: in the locker room before the media comes in, when

1574
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you realize how close you know

1575
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: you had, You feel like you had the game one

1576
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: and instead you're going home? What What's what? What's that

1577
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: feeling like? Yeah? I mean obviously you just feel for

1578
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: the kids, um, because they're all just devastated. Um, you know,

1579
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: seeing seeing seeing a month of your guys just you know,

1580
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: hugging each other and crying and just heartbroken. As as

1581
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: far as how the game then it was tough, um,

1582
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: but you know, uh, they were all very accountable and

1583
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, coach came in and and basically said, we're

1584
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: gonna handle this loft, you know, just like we wouldn't

1585
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: victory with with class, and we're gonna handle it the

1586
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: right way. And as a coach, Doug the coolest thing

1587
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 1: in the whole situation kind of getting feedback from Gott

1588
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: in the media after the open locker room basically saying,

1589
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: I've never seen a kid like Samir or a team

1590
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: like like Auburn handle such a difficult situation that well, Um,

1591
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: so as devastating as it was to be, you know,

1592
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: it's harder to get to the final four. I mean

1593
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: it's it's it's damn near impossible to get there. Um.

1594
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 1: And to be so close to you know, playing in

1595
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: a game to win a national championship and having it

1596
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 1: and the way it did. Um, While it was all devastating,

1597
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: obviously incredibly proud of, you know, the kids, how they

1598
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 1: handle the moment um and just kind of how they

1599
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: represented themselves and in the university. How how have you

1600
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: How are you guys so successful in spite of the turnovers?

1601
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: Like right, because it does violate it does violate some

1602
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: of the laws of basketball, which is like you know,

1603
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 1: like like I tell kids all the time, like, look,

1604
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: you know, if you just don't turn the basketball over.

1605
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: I told a couple of coaches, actually Texas Tech guys,

1606
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 1: they were getting ready to play Michigan, and they were like,

1607
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: how do you beat Michigan? How do you stop them?

1608
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: And I go, just don't turn it over? Like literally,

1609
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: they can't score. They know, they really can't score if

1610
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: you don't just don't turn over. Which sounds easy, but you, guys,

1611
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: do you You allow them so much freedom, not just

1612
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: with the shot selection, but also you know you mentioned,

1613
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, some of the kicking the ball out of

1614
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: bound sometimes, you know the Mexico State. How do you

1615
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: how how how how are you guys able to be

1616
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: so successful in spite of the turnovers. I mean, I

1617
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: think at the end of the year actually didn't turn

1618
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: over as much, which you know, you and I think

1619
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of business risons on the one on

1620
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: our run. But at the same time, when we turned

1621
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: ball over, um, I think we were number two in

1622
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: the country in turn over persentage. So we create you know,

1623
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: a ton of extra possessions every game because we turn

1624
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: other people over, so we're able to get those turnovers

1625
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: back just with how we played defense. So we're able

1626
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: to survive that because we don't win the possessions, we're

1627
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: trying to get the possessions up into you know, high seventies,

1628
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: low eighties, um in games. So when we do kind

1629
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: of get slopped at the ball and turned over, we're

1630
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: also creating a pace to do the same things. We're

1631
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: able to get those possessions done. I think our ability

1632
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: to turn people over allows us a little more freedom

1633
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: at turn the ball over. But at the end of

1634
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: the year, you know, you looked at our turnovers, don't

1635
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: We didn't turn over that much over our last ten games.

1636
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 1: We did a really good job of playing fast while

1637
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: while taking care of the ball. And and part of

1638
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: it too is, you know, we put a shot up

1639
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: before we could turn it over, so it limited it

1640
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: limited turnovers and posts employee, which was really good. Yeah,

1641
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: it's funny. You actually had six turnovers in the game

1642
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: against Virginia, which is you know, far and part of

1643
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: that is, you know, the way in which they play, um. Yeah,

1644
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: it Dave Logick, who was the coach at San Jose State.

1645
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: I remember he was one of his first years that

1646
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: I was doing a game and he goes, look, I

1647
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: told him to shoot whenever they want. As long as

1648
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: they that way, they don't, they can't turn over the

1649
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 1: shoot that was That was one of your closest friends.

1650
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: Is Todd Golden. You just got the job at San Francisco.

1651
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: Obviously used to he used to be with you guys

1652
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: and album before. He's an assistant at San Francisco. Kind

1653
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: of going back home. Um, what's it like to see

1654
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,839
Speaker 1: a to see a friend like in the coaching community,

1655
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: what's it like to see one of your when your

1656
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: boys at such a young age get such a great opportunity. Yeah,

1657
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,759
Speaker 1: it's it's Actually, he was on the phone, Todd, right before,

1658
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: right before we talk to you, and he was, you know,

1659
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 1: trying to get us to come out to the Bay

1660
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: to play a game. It's great to kind of see

1661
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: him be so successful. And you know he obviously took

1662
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: a huge risk of leaving, um, you know, an sec

1663
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: assistant position to go out to San Francisco to be

1664
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: the associate head coach and in a league where you

1665
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: have Gonzaga and St. Mary's and b y U and

1666
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: some of the teams that kind of normally finished in

1667
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: those top three and then all they do is just

1668
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: rack off twenty one seasons every single year. And it

1669
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: all worked out perfectly for him. And you know kind

1670
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: of said this from from day one. No One Todd

1671
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: is he's a rising star of the profession. And it

1672
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: wasn't surprise me at all if he gets out there, Cisco,

1673
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, has two really good seasons and then you know,

1674
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: hell end up being one of the um youngest Power

1675
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 1: five head coaches and you know, in one of those leagues. UM,

1676
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: I think that highly of them. Um, but just to

1677
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: see his success and kind of see that that tree

1678
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: of coaches you know that we've kind of had here

1679
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: or just trees you know under under BP kind of

1680
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: grow and and watch guys like him get head jobs

1681
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 1: that couldn't have into a better guy. Um. You know,

1682
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: he's an amazing coach and obviously we're just really excited

1683
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: for him and and kind of what he's gonna be

1684
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: able to do with that program. Um, Okay, what about

1685
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: what about you? I mean, like, look, this has been

1686
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: it it's actually been a super meteoric rise, right and

1687
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: and on the other hand, like there's always going to

1688
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: be as Bruce Pearl's kid, and so some guys who

1689
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: are the son, they just sit there and they kind

1690
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: of they ride it out, you know, Like I've I've

1691
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: talked to Kellen Sampson, who you know, now he got

1692
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: the title of like future head coach whatever it is,

1693
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: head coach designate at at Houston. It's still a hard thing.

1694
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: Like it's not something that he wanted. It's not something

1695
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: you can turn down. It's really what for you, Uh,

1696
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 1: was the future hold? Yeah, that's that's a good question. Um,

1697
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: it's only my second years an the system coach and

1698
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: you know they've one two sec final four. So um,

1699
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, resume is you know it's solid right now. Um.

1700
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: But I think part of it is, you know, figuring

1701
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: out what the best opportunity is for me moving forward,

1702
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: whether that's a head coaching job and a love major

1703
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,759
Speaker 1: mid major. Um. If if that you know, the opportunity

1704
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: present itself or you know, go get my you know,

1705
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: my feet went under another you know, really good head coach. Um.

1706
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 1: Trying to find another guy in the profession, Um, who

1707
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: I can learn from, work under and vouch for because

1708
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: the end of day. You know he is he is

1709
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: our head coach, and you know, but the word of

1710
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: your dad only goes so far sometimes, so getting out

1711
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: there and getting you know, someone else that you know

1712
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: that you can work for and and and teach you

1713
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: some things and kind of get your name out there. So, um,

1714
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: gotta be the right situation. Um, but definitely just you know,

1715
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: looking to learn as much as that possibly can while

1716
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: here and then kind of assess the next opportunity. So

1717
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, tons tons of options. Um, just gotta you know,

1718
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: figure out. I was like, come, um, you guys, you

1719
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,719
Speaker 1: guys faced off with with with Duke earlier in the season.

1720
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: That was that was all the way back in MAUI.

1721
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah you saw Zion, I know in in high school, right,

1722
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: I mean all those you guys all saw him. Um,

1723
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people like, oh yeah, we knew,

1724
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 1: Like I no one knew he was going to be

1725
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: this dumb Like, did you like, did you know he

1726
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 1: would be what he became as a as a college player.

1727
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: I had a I had a feeling he'd be really

1728
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: good in college just because when you look at in person,

1729
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: you see his explosion, his quickness and and just the

1730
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: way he gets from point A to point B, he

1731
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: does it better than anyone. And that was going to

1732
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: translate over in the college game. UM. Obviously, you know

1733
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: his shot making was was the one knock on him. UM.

1734
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: In high school, he was so much stronger and he

1735
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: was so much more athletic and quicker than everyone else

1736
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: that he could just get the room whenever the hell

1737
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: he wanted and and dunker finished over people at ease. UM.

1738
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 1: So would that have translated over into the college game.

1739
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: So we knew that he'd be a great college player. UM,

1740
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 1: but to this level. I mean, I'm not sure if

1741
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: anyone knew how good he was gonna be. UM. And

1742
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 1: I think part of that is just how hard he's

1743
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: worked on his game. And UM, you know, he's so

1744
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: not to answer your questions. And I knew he'd be good.

1745
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: I did not know he'd be this good. Um. How

1746
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 1: did how did everybody? Um? Um? How did everybody missed

1747
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: on John Marin? That's that's a good question. UM. I

1748
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: think part of it was maybe the the AU team

1749
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: he played for. UM. You know, UM, it's a small

1750
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: a team in South Carolina that's got a bunch of

1751
01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: really tough UM. Scrappy players. Um, you know, guys that

1752
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: really wouldn't go notice because they don't play in the

1753
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 1: big the big tournaments. You know, it takes guys that

1754
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: will go onto side gains and and spend time in

1755
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 1: side gains, but no one else going to be in.

1756
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 1: I think you know, the guys at Merge State did

1757
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: that and they recognized it right away. Um, So I

1758
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: think part of it is just, um, you know, he

1759
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: didn't play on the most prominent team to kind of

1760
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 1: get into the in front of the most prominent coaches,

1761
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: and there's only so many places that were able to

1762
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: kind of be in the summer, and you know it's

1763
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 1: not as and sometimes it's so spread out that you're

1764
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 1: just missing a ton of stuff. So it's kind of

1765
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: one of those things where you know, if you sometimes

1766
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 1: you land in the right gym at the right time,

1767
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: kind of like we did with you know, with with

1768
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: Jared Harper early in his career, uh BT was and

1769
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 1: Trumo KPPP was inside gams watching the Georgia Stars young teams,

1770
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: um and just kind of fell on those guys and

1771
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: start on early. Not John or And it's a little

1772
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: different because he didn't play for the Georgia Stars. He

1773
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, played for like Team South Carolina or something. Um,

1774
01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: so I think part of it is just being so

1775
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: to spread out. Um there are being so many different locations,

1776
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,560
Speaker 1: which it's gotten better, but um, that's what causes you

1777
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: to miss on some guys like that. Yeah, and look,

1778
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: guys also get better. Like that's one of the things

1779
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: that like everybody thinks that everyone missed, Like we're gonna

1780
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: have Phil back around here part of this pod. And

1781
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: he was, he was. He was that we were stayed

1782
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: when Damian Lillard was there, and and everybody's like, well,

1783
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: everybody in Oakland missed. Everybody in the pack twelve missed

1784
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: on Damian Lillard. My brother is like, look, he was

1785
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: a you know, a six one two guard and and

1786
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: and then he just he worked and worked and worked

1787
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: and made himself into a great player. Like a great player.

1788
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 1: And that's a that's it's a it's a one. It's

1789
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 1: a credence to him and then obviously to assistant coach

1790
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: that can see what what a guy has within him. Um,

1791
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: the hardest guy to prepare for this year, the best

1792
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: player you thought you coached against, you preparing so much

1793
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: of the defense you guys faced Kentucky l s. You do,

1794
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: who would you say to about the man um? You know,

1795
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: PJ Washington was was. It was a tough one just

1796
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 1: for us because you know, he was his ability to

1797
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 1: shoot the ball um and then addition, you know, his

1798
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: ability to push you up inside. So personally that was

1799
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: that was one the one guy was actually really concerned

1800
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 1: about with Cassius Winston UM and if we had that

1801
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: was my scott, if we had made it to the

1802
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 1: championship game in Michigan, state of one. UM just watching

1803
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, I watched like ten or fifteen games of them,

1804
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 1: and they run so much stuff and he's involved in

1805
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 1: it in so many different ways, whether he's you know,

1806
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: setting pin downs and getting re screens, or he's in

1807
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: ball screens and he's doing a million different things. You

1808
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: got a key on him. But then you know, if

1809
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: you do lock him up, he's able to get ten

1810
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: or fifteen assistant again. So um, really all year I

1811
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: felt pretty good about a lot of recoveries, but Pja

1812
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: was one of them. And then having watching cashes, you know,

1813
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: and and the week leading up for Final four, UM,

1814
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: I think he had been a handful for us. Last

1815
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: thing Um, the most underrated did you take your your

1816
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: staff out? The most underrated coach in the SEC? You

1817
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: you get to see all these teams, a ton of

1818
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: teams in the SEC. I think sometimes the coaching goes

1819
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: by the wayside because we talked about the players and

1820
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: and everything else. Uh, to you, the most underrated coach

1821
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:20,719
Speaker 1: that league is who right now? Um? My most underrated

1822
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: coach before last year was Mark Fox Um exs and

1823
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: knows wise. I thought he was really good. Um, they

1824
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: ran great stuff. But now in this league, Um, you

1825
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 1: don't have to make one up. They all stand. Okay,

1826
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just say that you think they all stink,

1827
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 1: It's okay. You think you could draw circles around all

1828
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: this stuff? It's okay, Yeah, I mean, um, it's got

1829
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, honestly, you want you want the

1830
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: best answer. I think it's cow as good as he is,

1831
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: like recruiting, Um, the way he's able to get that

1832
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: collection of talent and and and sometimes personality to to

1833
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,679
Speaker 1: buy in. He's able to deal with all the outside

1834
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: noise all in the early season when people saying that

1835
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: they're not good, Um, he's done a bad job. And

1836
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 1: then every year he just kind of finds a way

1837
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the year for them to kind

1838
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: of start clicking. And you know, UM, I forgot what

1839
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 1: the numbers on his elite eights, but he's don the

1840
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 1: elite ate like six out of the last eight years

1841
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: or something like that. That's you know, it's it's really

1842
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: hard to do that. UM. And he's never up here.

1843
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: He wasn't up for National coach and he goes here,

1844
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: which you know, was kind of mind boggling. But UM,

1845
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's underrated, but he definitely doesn't

1846
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: get as much credit as I think he deserves sometimes

1847
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 1: non basketball greatest part about the greatest moment you've been

1848
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 1: at Auburn, it was when Auburn football beat UM, Alabama

1849
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 1: saw Georgia and then Alabama, UM when they were both

1850
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:57,759
Speaker 1: number one those like three weeks UM during the season

1851
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 1: on the littlest unbelievable into kind to see UM coach

1852
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: mals on those guys, you know, beat two number one

1853
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: teams with one that I'm out of the few weeks,

1854
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 1: it was incredible. M opportunity, the energy on campus something

1855
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 1: was amazing. And now they're storing the field out to

1856
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: the alibone the game won the SEC well, so, um

1857
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: though it was part of the Boston basketball member we've had.

1858
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: Does BP still get a boat or is that only

1859
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,759
Speaker 1: a Tennessee thing? Well, I think if he ever asked

1860
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: for one, he could definitely get one. Um, he's I

1861
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 1: think he's good. He's looking at a lake house here

1862
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 1: in in the future, which will be cool. But um,

1863
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,560
Speaker 1: you know he honestly haven't had time to kind of

1864
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: get out of the boat. So um so not not

1865
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: like it was in Tennessee, but I think if the

1866
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 1: everyone in thee you could probably get one. All right,

1867
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: will listen, Um, you're even more than generous with your time.

1868
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: Congratulations on what was an incredible season, and look forward

1869
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 1: to to talking with you off air. Maybe bring your

1870
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 1: dude Hayes down uh to to basketball camp this year.

1871
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 1: We'll send you the day, will take him out me. Hey, OK,

1872
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: it'll be fun. You gotta see his jump shot. It's

1873
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: kind of wet now, like you know, lefties always have

1874
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: it like now, I mean, I mean it's it's spinning, right.

1875
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: He's kind of shoot with one hand like he's you

1876
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: should just saying this is this is actually a really funny.

1877
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: So I don't let I didn't let him. I didn't

1878
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: let my last year's third grader. I let third fourth grades.

1879
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,640
Speaker 1: I let him shoot threes. No, right, So I have

1880
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: one now that can kind of that can get it

1881
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: there and can shoot it without throwing it whatever. So

1882
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 1: he made when he got fouled in the in the game,

1883
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 1: uh in a game last weekend and I go uh

1884
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:37,600
Speaker 1: And they didn't call a foul. He's like, Dad, did

1885
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: you see that? And one on a three point shot?

1886
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, he goes, you know the song Old

1887
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: Town Road. I was like, yeah, he goes. He was

1888
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: in my head. And when I shot it right when

1889
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: the ball went in, the beat dropped. He's he's a

1890
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: easy character. He is. All right, man, thanks to your time.

1891
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm and uh, we appreciate you. Join us in the

1892
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: All Ball podcast. Brother, appreciate you him all right. That's

1893
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 1: it for this edition of All Ball. Make sure you

1894
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: download subscribe. Let's to the radio show at three to

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01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:15,320
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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is All Ball.