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Speaker 2: I like how they let you in the club and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I didn't. I didn't bring my phone, you know,

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Speaker 2: You weren't wearing a dumb ass Zoro mask, they were, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can be separated from Twitter occasionally. Yeah. Now, speaking

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Speaker 2: Whenever we go out, the people below way shout they go.

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Speaker 2: John George Smith is a piece of shit.

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Speaker 1: La la la la. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's pro.

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Speaker 1: Look, nineteen thirty, you still did get some people who

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, don't forget she exists though, because boy howdy,

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Speaker 1: He murders this woman for some specific reason, and then

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Speaker 1: Knock it off, Hey, knock it off. You you crazy kids.

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Speaker 1: Stop something? Yeah? Yeah? Or if he's like stabbed multiple people,

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Speaker 1: gets like a permanent place on a TV show that's

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Speaker 1: like a politics roundtable. She is just like a frequently

433
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Speaker 1: wanted speaker. She gets speaking fees in things, going around

434
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Speaker 1: supporting different candidacies. If she were around today, she'd have

435
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Speaker 1: a podcast in a blue check Twitter account, and she

436
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Speaker 1: would make seven figures working at the Daily Wire. She

437
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Speaker 1: is the prototype for that kind of like woman in conservatism.

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Speaker 2: Her handle, like her bio would be like like mom

439
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:07,239
Speaker 2: wife American flag cross, yeah, you know, and she'd have

440
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: like really nice arms, which is always the most annoying

441
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 2: thing about right wingers is they all have the same

442
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Speaker 2: trainer and they all have the like just sort of

443
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Speaker 2: strong arms, which I don't understand. And simultaneously cut it.

444
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Speaker 2: People know what I'm talking about. You guys know that

445
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Speaker 2: right wingers are terrible, but the women have great they

446
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 2: have their arms are great.

447
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Speaker 4: Only spoken truth.

448
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 2: Right, And you're like, I don't know, you definitely can't

449
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Speaker 2: fight like they're not fighting.

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Speaker 1: Arms I'm thinking of I'm thinking of Ann Coulter. Yeah,

451
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Speaker 1: and what in Ann Coulter like the celebrity that I

452
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Speaker 1: would compare her to positively, I think this is actually

453
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Speaker 1: a compliment for her. Is Jack Skellington? Yes, no, no, no,

454
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Speaker 1: we should probably cut all of that.

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Speaker 2: Don't cut that. She would she would take it as

456
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Speaker 2: a as a w she she appreciates it.

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Speaker 4: Well, we got our go to an ad real quick.

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Speaker 1: We sure do, we sure do. Speaking of Jack Skellington,

459
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Speaker 1: he would want you to participate in capitalism well passed Christmas. Yes,

460
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: he doesn't actually like Christmas all that much, does he. Anyway, whatever,

461
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Speaker 1: here's ads ah and we're back. So Mary schmidtz is

462
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Speaker 1: to give you an idea of like how people view

463
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Speaker 1: her in the conservative movement. Her nickname is the Phylish

464
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Speaker 1: Schlaffley of the West. So this family, they're just bad. Yeah,

465
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Speaker 1: that's horrible. Oh god, two real powerful right wing ghules. Yeah,

466
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Speaker 1: oh lord, very soon these people, you know, there's state

467
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: level figures right now, but very soon they're going to

468
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Speaker 1: be in the halls of real power throughout this whole

469
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: time mid sixties and stuff. The Senate representative for the

470
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Speaker 1: district that John and Mary live in for for you know,

471
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Speaker 1: the district that covers Orange County, is this lunatic right

472
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Speaker 1: wing hero named James b Utt, which yes, does look

473
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Speaker 1: like James, but when you type it all out, that

474
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Speaker 1: is that is the man's name. It is ut with

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Speaker 1: two t's. I know, I know, like that's like a

476
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Speaker 1: joke you would see some dude with a comic make

477
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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Yeah no, no, it's his real fucking name,

478
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: that is real.

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Speaker 2: No, it's b uh James b You know what when

480
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Speaker 2: your name is James, b utt. You keep the bee

481
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Speaker 2: because you want people to think it's butt like you.

482
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Speaker 2: You relish the buttons because you're you want to be

483
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Speaker 2: a little you want to be an ass.

484
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Speaker 1: Clearly, yeah what you know what you're going to become,

485
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: so James. But his pet theory is that quote a

486
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Speaker 1: large contingent of barefooted Africans had been snuck into the

487
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Speaker 1: United States by the United Nations, which is a communist

488
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Speaker 1: organization from takeover the country. And that's where the Watts

489
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Speaker 1: riots were. Not a black people born and raised in

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Speaker 1: the United States. They were Africans snuck into southern California

491
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Speaker 1: by the United Nations to it destroyed the United States.

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Speaker 2: But this is the same shit. This is the same

493
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 2: shit we talk about now, right, and it generally is

494
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: like the Jews have done this, but it's right. It's

495
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 2: like sneaking. They sneak in the elites, sneak in migrants

496
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: to rile up the blacks until they want their rights.

497
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Speaker 2: You know, they're fine with black people as long as

498
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Speaker 2: they're in their place, as long as they're happily in

499
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: ghettos and prevented from you know, owning homes anywhere near

500
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Speaker 2: Orange County of course. Yeah, but yeah, it's the same shit.

501
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 2: My god, it's the same shit. And it's crazy how

502
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: like they don't see how much they recycle this stuff.

503
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Speaker 2: And I think mister Butt should get more credit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no's that's what we all feel about mister b Utt.

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Speaker 1: So Ud was the son of a rancher. He'd won

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Speaker 1: his seat representing Orange County by attacking his opponent for

507
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Speaker 1: preaching the gospel of socialism. He believed that the music

508
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: of the Beatles had inflicted artificial neuroses on young people

509
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 1: and given them brain damage. He was I will say this.

510
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Speaker 1: He was occasionally on the right side of issues, always

511
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Speaker 1: for the wrong reasons. He opposed the annexation of Hawaii,

512
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: not on any kind of anti colonial grounds, because the

513
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: islands had too many non white people and they would

514
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: inevitably breed with white people. That yeah, he is in

515
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: his kill them all.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't want it.

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Speaker 1: Well, then I don't want to admit here. When his

518
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: grandson decided to oppose the Vietnam War, Ut said that

519
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: he would have rather seen the boy die overseas. Oh,

520
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: he is just a giant piece of shit. This is

521
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: the Congressional the National Congressional representative for like the district

522
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Speaker 1: that Schmidz lives in. Yeah, and he's he's just just

523
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: a real bad guy, but extremely popular. He wins an

524
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Speaker 1: Orange County by a two to one majority. Utt is

525
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: one of the few men in politics who is extreme

526
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Speaker 1: enough for John Schmitz's tastes. He's basically the only dude

527
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Speaker 1: who could hold that office and be sure John would

528
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Speaker 1: not run against him. But then in nineteen seventy, tragedy struck.

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Speaker 1: James b Utt died to complications from being a huge

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Speaker 1: piece of shit. In literal terms, he has a heart

531
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Speaker 1: attack in church, which you might read as God's striking

532
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: him down if you're inclined to that sort of thing.

533
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: But while one lass dead Butt is generally good, it

534
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: also created opportunity for John Schmitz. Schmidz runs for the

535
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Speaker 1: former representative seat and wins. Now his camp the slogan

536
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: that he uses to like, win this special election, it's

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00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: impenetrable today. It's when you're out of Schmidz. You're out

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00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: of gear. That doesn't mean anything to you, does it?

539
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: What is it?

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00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: No? Well, it's because he works at the cleaning out

541
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 1: beer steins in a beer company, and there was like

542
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Speaker 1: I think the slogan was when you're out of Schlitz,

543
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: you're out of beer, like for some Milwaukee beer. But

544
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: like he he takes this slogan that's very much this

545
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: like Milwaukee area beer slogan and he repurposes it for

546
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Speaker 1: a campaign in southern California. I don't know how this worked.

547
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: And the rule of puns it does not work.

548
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: Such a weird idea.

549
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: You can only change one side of the pun. It

550
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: can't be both. It can't be when you're out of

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00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: Schmidz you're out of gear. When it's if you're out

552
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: of Schlitz, you're out of beer. You got to keep

553
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: Schlitz or beer in there.

554
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Otherwise it's just it's just nuts.

555
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: No one knows what you're talking.

556
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: But he wins the special election. It works. So now

557
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: this fucking guy is in DC and is a full

558
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: on ass congressman. He moves his wife and family to

559
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: the Capitol and he gets to work extending his unique

560
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: brand of god awful politics nationwide. His biggest enemy in

561
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: government again is not some leftist but his actually Richard M. Nixon,

562
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: who schmid saw you guessed it as basically a COMMI

563
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: sleeper agent from that article in Cafe dot Com. Matters

564
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: were made more tense given that he was President Nixon's

565
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: congressman representing the Orange County district containing San Clemente. Schmitz

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00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: was particularly critical of Nixon's rapprochma with China, telling the press,

567
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Speaker 1: I have no objection to Richard Nixon going to China.

568
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: I just object to him coming back, which is actually

569
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Speaker 1: pretty good. That's not bad. Schmid's vocally backed Ashbrooks attempt

570
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: to primary Nixon in nineteen seventy two, and so this

571
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: is something that pisses off Richard Nixon. Schmids has made

572
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: it his business to become a thorn in his side,

573
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: and he starts to expand in this period of time

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Speaker 1: outside of harboring these kind of economic grievances and even

575
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: grievances against like, you know, communist states, to this more

576
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: sort of esoteric conspiracy theory conservatism. In nineteen seventy one,

577
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Speaker 1: he writes an introduction to Gary Allen and Larry Abraham's

578
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: None Dare Call It Conspiracy the book, which was in

579
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Speaker 1: hugely This is influential. This is like the center of

580
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: Alex Jones's ideology today. The book argued that Eastern American elites,

581
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: particularly the Jews therein, were funding global communism. Alan proclaimed,

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Speaker 1: among other things, that Chase Manhattan Bank president David Rockefeller

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Speaker 1: had personally fired Soviet Premier in Dakita Khrushchev in nineteen

584
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Speaker 1: sixty four. Jesus, you know the Chase Bank guy has

585
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: has has the fireda codes for hacking the Soviet Union.

586
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: Who could be more influential in Soviet politics than the

587
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Speaker 1: head of Chase Manhattan Bank. Oh my god, it is

588
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: so funny.

589
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: Again, I mean, who is the head of Chase Manhattan Bank?

590
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: Was it a Jew? Again? With these like broad like

591
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: anti Semitic thing like just like the history of this,

592
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: It's just like and the like superpowers that racists and bigots,

593
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: anti Semites apply to Jews is just wild.

594
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it really is.

595
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: Then he hacked into that, I mean again, and it's

596
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: just the Jewish space laser. Marjorie Green, the Rothschild, the

597
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: same shit, same shit.

598
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now, if you know anything about Dick Nixon, and

599
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: I know an unfortunate amount about the man, you do

600
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: you know that his chief personality trait was that he

601
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: could not let go of a grudge, right, that is

602
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: the main thing that defines Richard Nixon. If he is

603
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: angry at you once, he is angry at you for

604
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: all time. Now Nixon again, he remembers his fucking enemies.

605
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: And so in nineteen seventy two, Schmids has just finished

606
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: backing an attempt to primary Nixon. He's been yelling at

607
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: him the whole time, two years he's been in Congress.

608
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: Tricky Dick is like, well, this guy's up free election.

609
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let that son of a bitch fuck

610
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: with me anymore. He turns his petty manchild laser on

611
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: John Schmitz and he blasts his career at national politics

612
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: to smithereens. John loses the primary nomination to a tax assessor,

613
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Speaker 1: which is basically I kind of wonder if Nixon did

614
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: that on purpose, because there's no one worse you can

615
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: lose to as a libertar an a tax assessor.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy about this. Yeah, fuck this guy. I mean yeah,

617
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: I mean like Nixon, but no, but you know.

618
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no, but I respect Nixon's ability to both

619
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: be petty and wheeled power effectively enough to squash this

620
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: motherfucker like a bug. Right, Yes, you just have to

621
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: take some satisfaction in it, like absolutely Nixon beat everybody else,

622
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: but at least this son of a bitch didn't get

623
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: a fucking like hand up on it.

624
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Speaker 2: That's the other thing is that I feel like the

625
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: right now is like, oh god, maybe I should cater

626
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: more to the John Birch society, or maybe I should

627
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: cater more to the far right, or maybe I should

628
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: change up my tune. And it's like, eh, you know,

629
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: it takes a certain sob to be like, no, fuck you,

630
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm the president, I'm doing what I want, and yeah,

631
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill your career there you go, Like, I

632
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Speaker 2: don't know. I respect that. I respect that more than

633
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: I respect someone who's like just gonna be yeah, cajoled

634
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: by the most extremeist elements of their own party and

635
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: literally stands up for nothing and cannot lead. And I'm

636
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: not even talking Trump. I think just broadly the Republican

637
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: Party what it's become.

638
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. At least Nixon there was this like

639
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: animal cunning at work with the man. You had to

640
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: at least respect in the same way you respect a

641
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: tiger in the woods, you know, as opposed to just

642
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: like a horde of of fucking hovelina that have gotten

643
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: drunk on prairie wine, which is how I feel today.

644
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: So Schmitz was adamant that this was all a conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: You know, when he loses his reelection and Nixon had

646
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Speaker 1: flexed his influence and done it specifically to embarrass Schmitz,

647
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Speaker 1: and that is probably what happened, right, Schmitz is like

648
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: the president had his henchman come out and get me.

649
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Speaker 1: And honestly, this is the one conspiracy Schmitz believed in

650
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: that like, oh yeah, there is no world in which

651
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Speaker 1: Dick Nixon did not destroy this man for hitting him

652
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Speaker 1: from the right. That is totally in character for Richard.

653
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Speaker 2: Nixon, and you would have done the same.

654
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Speaker 1: So now the thing here, this is really a case

655
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: of you've got Schmitz fucks with Nixon. Nixon being a

656
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: petty bitch, like destroys his chance at getting re elected.

657
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: And then but the thing is, like Schmitz is also

658
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: extremely petty. So when Nixon knuped his hopes of staying

659
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: in Congress, John Schmitz starts scheming. Fate presents him with

660
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: an opportunity in the form of a bullet which an

661
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: assassin fired in the body of George Waller, the segregation governor.

662
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: Wallace is badly hurt and he has to drop out

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Speaker 1: as a presidential candidate for the American Party. Now, I

664
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Speaker 1: know what you're saying, Francesca. The American Party isn't a thing,

665
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: but it was, it did used to be. Yeah, yeah,

666
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: this is now deep political lore here for the country.

667
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Speaker 1: But it was a third party that was formed entirely

668
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: to support the ambitions of George Wallace. Right, Like, if

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Speaker 1: the fact that Goldwater isn't just saying slurs on stage

670
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: doesn't means you don't trust Goldwater, and if the fact

671
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Speaker 1: that Nixon isn't completely out of his mind means you

672
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Speaker 1: won't vote for Nixon, the American Party has got your back, right,

673
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Speaker 1: thank god, we love you.

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Speaker 2: Just a little slur, only a bit of.

675
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Speaker 1: Slurs, Yeah, more than a bit. This is George Wallace.

676
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Speaker 2: So now Wallace is to the right of Goldwater, even

677
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Speaker 2: to the.

678
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Speaker 1: Right, I don't know, even to the right. Like they're

679
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: just kind of saying he's just cruder, right, I think

680
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: is probably a better way. He is more. I don't

681
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Speaker 1: think Goldwater like he is more directly motivated by racism.

682
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Speaker 1: But they are both. They're both of their campaigns are

683
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Speaker 1: pretty race baby, right y, yeah, yeah. And the American

684
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Speaker 1: and this is you know Goldwater, I think is sixty four,

685
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Speaker 1: This is sixty eight. And in the sixty eight well,

686
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Speaker 1: the sixty eight election is when the American Party runs

687
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: for the first time and it does really well. They

688
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: get ten million votes in the nineteen sixty eight election, right,

689
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Speaker 1: And that's that. This is it comes to something it's

690
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: kind of relevant today, which is that you know, we're

691
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Speaker 1: starting twenty twenty four, which is this presidential race is

692
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Speaker 1: going to be the first race in a very long

693
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Speaker 1: time where a third party candidate seems likely to win

694
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Speaker 1: a lot of votes, right, talking about RFK, the Kennedy

695
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, the new Kennedy that we got

696
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Speaker 1: up in politics. He's going to get only enough like

697
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Speaker 1: certainly not enough to win the presidency, but more like

698
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Speaker 1: he is polling better than a third party candidate has

699
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Speaker 1: in a time like since I've been you know, aware

700
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Speaker 1: of politics, right, that's.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I don't know. I think we're going to

702
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: find his vax card at some point, he's got a

703
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Speaker 2: vax card. Possible, it's all going to be over.

704
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Speaker 1: Yeah, anything could happen. It's January, as you know. But

705
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Speaker 1: I it is like at the moment right now, he

706
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: is more a bigger factor in the election than a

707
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: third party has been in quite a bit, right sure,

708
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Speaker 1: But I'm bringing this up because I want to talk

709
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Speaker 1: about how significant the American Party was for a brief

710
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: period of time. They get ten million votes in the

711
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 1: sixty eight election. Today, the Libertarian Party in the US

712
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: has seven hundred and thirty two thousand registered voters. The

713
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: Green Party and Constitution Party together are another three hundred

714
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand. Right, Ross Perot got about twenty million

715
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: votes in nineteen ninety two, but he was a billionaire

716
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: and he had the money to finance a sizeable campaign,

717
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: and the next election he barely he barely broke eight

718
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: million votes. So while this is American Party, it's not

719
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Speaker 1: going to win the election, but it can it can

720
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: spoil the election for a Republican ten million votes. That

721
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Speaker 1: kind of potential. Having done that in the previous election,

722
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Speaker 1: that's not something to scoff at, right, No, Yeah, so

723
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Speaker 1: you know, now that's interesting. So the American Party is

724
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Speaker 1: not this inconsiderable thing within US politics at the time,

725
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: not entirely, and any candidate who could perform at the

726
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Speaker 1: level Wallace had might be able to take away enough

727
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: votes from Nixon to assure his re election. Schmids wanted

728
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Speaker 1: to be that man, the fact that he might be

729
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: able to wrench the Republican Party for the because again,

730
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Speaker 1: you know, if you force Nixon out, right, if you

731
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Speaker 1: make him lose the election, then the fact that you

732
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Speaker 1: got that many votes might is going to convince a

733
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: lot of Republican leadership. Okay, we need to speak to

734
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: some of the issues that this guy has adopted. Right,

735
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: that's I think his assumption, right that I can wrench

736
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: this party to the right and I can hurt Nixon,

737
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: who I hate and who is a communist. Anyway, he

738
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Speaker 1: gets the nomination for the American Party at that party

739
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: convention that year, and he's you know, I'm actually going

740
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: to read a quote from that Cafe dot Com article

741
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: again about like how he kind of frames his campaign.

742
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: Schmidz continued to tie himself to conspiracy theories. He made

743
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: much use of his connection to none dare call it Conspiracy,

744
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: which by election season had blown up selling five million copies.

745
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: Gary Allen even came aboard the campaign, providing his mailing

746
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: lists accumulated from the book's success. He also suggested Arthur

747
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: Bremer Wallace's would be Assassin was part of a cadre

748
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: of killers, which also included Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earrolray,

749
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Speaker 1: and Sir Hans Siran, that was secretly funded and trained

750
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: by left wing groups like the Students for a Democratic Society.

751
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: Schmid summed up his basic presidential campaign pitch. I boiled

752
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: down our platform to a two plank platform. There's a

753
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: foreign plank that says, never go to war unless you

754
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: plan on winning, and a domestic plan that says those

755
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: that work ought to live better than those who don't, right,

756
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: which is both not politics and also real. Easy to

757
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: see why that spreads among a certain chunk of the country. Right, Oh, yeah,

758
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: so cool stuff. You know what else is cool?

759
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: Oh?

760
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: I know, it's cool.

761
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: Ads. Sure, the nice cool breeze of capitalism blowing down

762
00:39:51,560 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: our backs and we're back. How you feeling, Francesca about

763
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: all this republican ting.

764
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of republican ing. I'm feeling overwhelmed

765
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: but fascinated by all of this. I wish we had

766
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: the countervailing force on the left to do shit like this,

767
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: but we don't. But I love Yeah, the evolution of

768
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: the rights thinking really hasn't evolved at all.

769
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is really the evolution of the

770
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: rights thinking, right, Like the evolution of the modern right

771
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: is so much where this guy was back then. But

772
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: the broader Republican Party adopts a lot of those attitudes

773
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: in part because Schmidt's it kind of cracks that wall

774
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: between Orange County and the rest of the country.

775
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: Right, well, because it's simultaneously it seems like Orange County

776
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: is it is just so isolated from the rest of

777
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: the country that is turning on things like the Vietnam War,

778
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: that is for things like not just integration, but like

779
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: civil rights exactly, like actual civil rights, and.

780
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: Certainly more so than oc is.

781
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: And an awakening, and just more culturally, like there is

782
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 2: a backlash of course against like conservatism of your parents

783
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: and whatnot. There's like free speech movements, you know, like whatever,

784
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: you know, hippie movement, drug culture, whatnot. Like there's a

785
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: whole rejection of this bullshit, which is why Reaganism was

786
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: such a fucking blow. So was Nixonism, Nixonianism, so is Dixism.

787
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, it it is is interesting to have schmids

788
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: come in here and get that many votes and then

789
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: also with such a simple play. I believe in money,

790
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: money number one, and white people, I mean private property.

791
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, money, but just for the people who are already

792
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: rich exactly, and bombing people who do not live here

793
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: like that's that's his plank. Right, It's a.

794
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: Perfect encapsulation of right wing isolationism, you know, which is

795
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: if you're gonna fight a war, make sure you win it,

796
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: which is the if you're gonna go to war in

797
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: the Middle East, take all the oil. Right. It's that

798
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: like it's voted as isolationists, but it's really not. It

799
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: really is as we talk about, like super pro war.

800
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: Just kill them all dead, deader than.

801
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: Dead, Yeah, kill them all, take their stuff.

802
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

803
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Speaker 1: Now for a running mate, he picks a guy named

804
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Speaker 1: Tom Anderson, who is a farm magazine publisher who was

805
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: far right, but also not the kind of guy who's

806
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: going to detract attention from the main show.

807
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 2: Mostually, I take pictures of cows. Cows lounging is livestock, yeah,

808
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: just looking.

809
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: It's like a right wing livestock magazine. I think it's

810
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: an early homesteading magazine, right, and you're saying we need

811
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: to go back to the land to drop out of society.

812
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 4: Because like, like a guy who takes pictures of cows.

813
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 4: I would that that sounds like a cool dude this

814
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 4: but that sucks.

815
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got drawn into this mess.

816
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, poor guy.

817
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 4: What a bomber.

818
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Speaker 1: So his campaign manager is Dan Smoot, who's a former

819
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Speaker 1: FBI agent who's obsessed with the Council on Foreign Relations

820
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: and because this was fun in California, his finance director

821
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Speaker 1: is actor Walter Brennan, who had won three Best Supporting

822
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Speaker 1: Actor Oscars. So that's this guy's bench. Yeah, what a crew.

823
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Speaker 2: They had better celebrities though, I feel like all the

824
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: celebrities you mentioned are like at least at least they

825
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: won Best Supporting.

826
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he seems to have been an actor. I don't know.

827
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Speaker 1: I can't recall anything he was in.

828
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Speaker 2: But Gina Carano now or.

829
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Speaker 1: Fucking uh no, no, no.

830
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Speaker 2: Tim Brewer, Jim Brewer, whatever the name is.

831
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Jim who cares what happens Jim. Yeah. So

832
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: the campaign was immediately aggressive, filled with wealthy, small business

833
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: owning middle aged men who were just desperate to get

834
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: to feel like they were like insurgent revolutionaries. One American

835
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: Party official told a journalist, this party is a distillation

836
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Speaker 1: of the John Birch Society, the Christian Crusade, and the Minutemen.

837
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Speaker 1: We're revolutionaries. We're getting together to try to work through

838
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Speaker 1: the system. But I'll say this, we'll have constitutional government

839
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: in this country, and if we don't get it through

840
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: a ballot box, we'll get it in the streets.

841
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Speaker 2: That's what the constitution would want.

842
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: Again, that's very much that like J six attitude. Yeah,

843
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: it is.

844
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: We're going to work through all of our daddy issues together.

845
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Speaker 1: If we lose an election, we have the right to

846
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: kill people, right Like, That's what he's saying. And Schmids

847
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: knew that he had an uphill battle in getting elected, or,

848
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: more to the point, stopping Nixon from getting re elected.

849
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Speaker 1: His brand of paranoia utterly fantastical conservatism was not popular nationwide,

850
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: but he was tailor made for media sound bites, which

851
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: helped to keep him in the news. He told ABC,

852
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Speaker 1: the Nixon family motto is be sincere, whether you believe

853
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Speaker 1: it or not. He presaged both Donald Trump with his

854
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: meaner lines and the presidential campaign and personal brand of

855
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan with folksy right wing witticisms like this, do

856
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: you know why a newborn baby cries because he's naked,

857
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: he's hungry, and he already owes the government fifty nine

858
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: hundred dollars in taxes, Which is funny because like, well,

859
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: that baby already owes private corporation of dollars for being born,

860
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: because that's what it costs to be fucking born. And

861
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: this system you people insist on continuing to have for.

862
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 2: Us and Jesus for dying for its sins. According to them, Yeah.

863
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: In Cafe dot com, David Kordlander writes, quote, The Wall

864
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: Street Journal offered a piece entirely devoted to Schmidz's rhetorical flourishes,

865
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: entitled keep them Laughing as the motto as John Schmitz

866
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: runs for president. The piece even referred to Schmid's as

867
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: sort of the Bob Hope of the ultra right. Oh God,

868
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: what an unappealing series of words. His mix of jokes, conspiracies,

869
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: and righteous indignation at everything he deemed the political establishment

870
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: garnered decent returns. He managed to get himself on the

871
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: ballot in thirty two states, even as Wallace refused to

872
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: formally endorse him, and in the decades to come this

873
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: kind of style of far right populist conspiracy messaging. Really

874
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: the fact that he is marrying outright conspiracy theories to

875
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: an attempt at mainstream politics. This is now dominant, right,

876
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: This is the dominant for conservitism, and be honest, it's

877
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: not not dominant on the left as well, just in

878
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: a different direction. But like, conspiracism is so mainstream now.

879
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: And we all get together in the Epstein conspiracy that's

880
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: where we meet. Yeah, that's the Serengetti for a little while,

881
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: and then we all go.

882
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: Then we decide we want to be angry at specific

883
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: people on that plane. Differently, Yeah, I do think we

884
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: should do a squid game for all of the people

885
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: in the Epstein books and to pretend whoever survives didn't

886
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: do anything wrong or.

887
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: Their children, you know, send their children there, sort of

888
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: like the Hunger Games, but for the rich.

889
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: I do, like, I do think it'd be fun make

890
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: a lot of money as a TV show.

891
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, God, don't get me started on

892
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 2: that TV show. And Netflix is awful, but I would

893
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: I love them, But I do want to hear what

894
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: Chompsky has to say, because he apparently was also as associate.

895
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: But no, more importantly, I want to hear what Kate

896
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: Blanchette has to say. I really actually want to hear

897
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 2: what she has to say, Like what the hell, my girl?

898
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want them all to have to say all what.

899
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

900
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he did do Epstein did do a

901
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: lot of flights to like anything that would get famous

902
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: people on his plane, to like different galas and shit overseas.

903
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: But I don't know, maybe can't, I can't. I have

904
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: trouble imagining Cameron Diaz wanting to buy whatever he was selling.

905
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: But who knows, who knows.

906
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: I think it's just like everyone who was famous in

907
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: the year two thousand and two.

908
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: That is a lot of them, But a lot of

909
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: those people are also sex creates. It's a mix.

910
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 2: This is it's a really it's a grab bag anyway,

911
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 2: we're getting off topic. But but but the conspiracy theory, yeah,

912
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: that wasn't It's interesting that it also is the media

913
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: because he and his wife are also media figures. So

914
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: it's the marriage of the media figures good sound bites,

915
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: which is what you need, or at least what the

916
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: media wants and the conspiracy.

917
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those things where he has predicted

918
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: where things are going, but also at his time, the

919
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: Republican Party is not ready for that.

920
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 5: Right.

921
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: He does not succeed in his time because it's just

922
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: not You can't win nationally, even among Republicans doing that

923
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: quite yet. That's not really going to be possible until

924
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: you've had a few generations of Rush Limbaugh and Andrew Breitbart, etc.

925
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: Propagandizing to the masses. That's it. He doesn't do badly.

926
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: He takes in one point two million votes, which is

927
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: an amount vastly higher than nearly any third party candidates

928
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: get today, but also well short of what Wallace did.

929
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: In his concession speech, Schmidts aptly identified that Republican influencers

930
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: would use his techniques to win support of the dedicated

931
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: maniacs who made up his base in the future. We

932
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: got one million votes enough to strike fear in some

933
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: hearts in this country. He's not wrong there. He saw

934
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: this as a good start. He was at the time

935
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,240
Speaker 1: the seventh most successful third party candidate in US political history,

936
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: and his plan was to double down, get back into Congress,

937
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: and weld together a coalition of the deranged that could

938
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: lurch the Republican Party to the right and act as

939
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: a constant thorn in Dick Nixon's side. They were not

940
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: aware at this point that Nixon was going to get shitcammed.

941
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: Coalition of the Deranged is beautiful.

942
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well that's what's going on here. Right. While

943
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: he plotted, his wife organized her campaign against the Equal

944
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: Rights Amendment and scored a job on TV as a

945
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: political pundit. Things were going great for the Schmitzes. They

946
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: had power, money, and growing influence. Soon in nineteen seventy three,

947
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: John Schmitz, who's again a family values candidate. Right, that's

948
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: a big part of this degeneracy and modern era. Our kids.

949
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we want to know what comes next. Oh

950
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: he gives himself a mistress. Yees. Yes, this guy is

951
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: both a creepy politics dude but also a professor. So

952
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: of course his mistress is one of his former students,

953
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: much younger, Carla Stuckel. He is like fifty now, he's

954
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: like in her late twenties, And he starts sleeping with

955
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: his student, Carla Stuckell, former student, and then he fathers

956
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: two children with her over the space of a few years.

957
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: And while he's doing that, Mary Schmidz is doing her

958
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: phillish laughly routine. She's going on TV, she's organizing the

959
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: fight against the equal rights and then that are helping

960
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: to you know. And while you know, he is seeing

961
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: his mistress and she is becoming a media influencer. You

962
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: know what, no one is doing watching their fucking kids.

963
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: And this is going to end in tragedy. One August

964
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: afternoon in nineteen seventy three, both parents are out and

965
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: their daughter, Mary Kay, a sixth grader, had been put

966
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: in charge of the baby.

967
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: Philip time out, time out. First of all, that's totally

968
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: not a nod. You can totally do that. No, this

969
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: is family one, family two. What are we talking about.

970
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: We're talking about mistress's family. We're talking about Mary.

971
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: No, No, his his family one family og Fang, his

972
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: daughter from family one, Mary Kay, who I told you

973
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on for this. Although this plays

974
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: into why you need to remember Mary Gay. They have

975
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: her watching the baby while he is having sex with

976
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: his former student, and Mary is on TV. Right, and

977
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from the La Times here. The baby

978
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: was a fearless three year old and when he took

979
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: off his life jacket and stepped into the deep end

980
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: of the pool. Not even the diligent Mary Catherine, playing

981
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: the shallow end with their older brother Jerry, noticed the

982
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: tiny splash only after their mother began looking for Philip.

983
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: Was he found lifeless on the bottom of the pool.

984
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: So that's bad. Yeah, pools not great. And I mean.

985
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: People who are not wealthy enough to have this problem

986
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: don't know, but like me, but apparently, Yeah, pools are

987
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: total death traps. There's like one of them leading killers

988
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: of babies.

989
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: Of course it is, they're not that's not even surprising.

990
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: I mean, guns are really trying.

991
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: It's just a thing for a small person to drown it.

992
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, guns are truly trying to Like I

993
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: think it might be no, might actually begun to this point.

994
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: But pools, oh, I think I probably beat him at

995
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 1: this point. Yeah. Those are much more affordable than al

996
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: everybody gun.

997
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: I know, if only pools were as accessible, we.

998
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: Could be drowning in case, we could really up those numbers.

999
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: So you know, this is tragic, obviously, and it brings

1000
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: Schmidt's a lot of sympathy, partly because nobody knew that

1001
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: the reason he had not been there to watch his baby.

1002
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: Is that he was having sex with a woman not

1003
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: his wife, who was also his former student. You know,

1004
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: if people had known that he was a fraud as

1005
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: a moral paragon and that his son had maybe died

1006
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: in part due to his ambitions, they might not have

1007
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: felt as positively about him, though. But this doesn't come

1008
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: out immediately, right, and through the mid nineteen seventies to

1009
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: the early eighties, Schmids, you know, continues to run. He

1010
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: gets back into state Congress. He's in California Congress for

1011
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: another term. He makes another national level campaign, and he

1012
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: becomes more comfortable broadcasting openly racist remarks on the campaign

1013
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: trail after lawyer Gloria Already gives him a leather chastity

1014
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: belt during a state Senate committee on abortion, and Gloria

1015
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: is like making fun of him. He's they're doing. They

1016
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: have a state Senate committee in California on like abortion laws,

1017
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: and obviously she's Gloria already she thinks it should be legal,

1018
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: and that he is being a howling fascist about it

1019
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: and saying no, women shouldn't have the right to have sex,

1020
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: all right, And so she gives him a chastity belt, right.

1021
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: I love it, which which actually he needs.

1022
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: It's like a joke.

1023
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: She doesn't even know that he's fathered.

1024
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 1: He literally does. She has actually anticipated a real need.

1025
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1026
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: He issues a press release calling Gloria and other pro

1027
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: choice activists quote a sea of hard Jewish and arguably

1028
00:53:51,320 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: female faces. There is there. He said it. Yeah, he

1029
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: did it everybody, And there's a backlash to this. Even

1030
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: in the seventies, you can't say this, like, so there's

1031
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: a backlash. In his response to the backlashes, basically they say,

1032
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: I don't hate Jews. They're like everyone else except more so,

1033
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 1: which is still pretty racist.

1034
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: They're like everyone else, except.

1035
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: They're not like everyone else. I mean, it's something people

1036
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: used to say it about the Japanese too. I think

1037
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: it's like a classier way of saying they're not like

1038
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: regular people. I think it's what you say too when

1039
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: the group you're afraid of has a reputation at least

1040
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: for like being powerful in an industry or in some

1041
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: other way. Right, you know, Japan is a military power.

1042
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: When people are saying that about Japan, there's this widespread

1043
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: attitude that Jewish people run certain and I think that's

1044
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: kind of what he's saying, right.

1045
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: So it's the polite company bigotry.

1046
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it is the polite way of saying I

1047
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: think the Jews run the media, right, That is basically

1048
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: what he's saying. He also he did not just confine

1049
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: himself to talking about Jewish people. He said of Latinos,

1050
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: I may not be Hispanic, but I'm close. I'm Catholic

1051
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: with a mustache, which is what a wild thing to say.

1052
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 3: Say.

1053
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what a dad or that's what a guy

1054
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: on Sinco de Mayo says. Yes, yes, a nacho bull

1055
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: like sombrero. Yeah, and calling every waiter pedro.

1056
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. He also called Martin Luther King Junior a notorious liar.

1057
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: He had regained a Senate seat in nineteen seventy eight,

1058
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: but he failed in two campaigns to win election to

1059
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: the US Senate. By nineteen eighty two, he had been

1060
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: thoroughly relegated to the status of a local headache. And

1061
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: then in nineteen eighty two, a month after losing yet

1062
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: another primary election, the news broke that Schmidt's had fathered

1063
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: two children with his mistress. Now you want to know

1064
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: how this news broke, because this is a fucking story.

1065
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: Oh yes, kay, it's may It involves a penis injury,

1066
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: so not a good one. This is a child's penis injury.

1067
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: So nobody laugh. You're not allowed to laugh if you

1068
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: just had laughed before, feel bad about it right now? Yeah,

1069
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: you're thinking about thirty seconds reflect on your crimes. Yeah, yeah,

1070
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: you sick ohs. So his also, this is kind of

1071
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: a sicko thing. He names his second son out of

1072
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: wedlock after his father. No, which is a weird move

1073
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: for your kid. You're gonna deny the rest of his life.

1074
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: But okay, like you have to have a little bit

1075
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 2: of deniability, like if your wife finds out, but like,

1076
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 2: that's not my kid.

1077
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's after you're dad.

1078
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: Named after your dad.

1079
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Yeah?

1080
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 2: Its name is Snitzy Ditsy, Like come on now.

1081
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's you know, the reason this all comes out.

1082
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: So he's got this kid, John George, who is a

1083
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: baby at this point, and the baby gets booked at

1084
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: an oc hospital for an injured penis. The injury is

1085
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: very peculiar. A piece of hair had been wrapped and

1086
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: it's described as being wrapped in a square knot around

1087
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: I think the head of the penis so tightly that

1088
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: it had nearly severed the member. Right, So the baby

1089
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: has to have surgery. He it's fucked up, but the

1090
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: baby's fine, like it does, he does recover, right. But

1091
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: the incident prompted obviously an investigation. Right, that's the kind

1092
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: of thing that looks like it could be something intentional. Right,

1093
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: someone hurt this kid, you know, I think they're perfectly

1094
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: reasonable to look into this. Detectives threaten to arrest the

1095
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: baby's mother, Carla Stuckle, if she didn't tell them who

1096
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: the father was. And I think this is the police

1097
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: assume if someone's abusing this child, it's probably the dad.

1098
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: So we need to figure out who the dad is,

1099
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, And they're like, look, we'll arrest you

1100
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: if you don't tell us. And that's how Schmidt's get

1101
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: his name gets out, right because he's famous, Right, he's

1102
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: there local, he's been there wrapped a couple of times.

1103
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: He's this big figure.

1104
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: So mom, so I know, like I see all these

1105
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 2: Instagram posts and some of them are like careful with

1106
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: you know, stray hairs, because I guess hairs. Yeah, you know,

1107
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: when like a hair gets like wrapped around your finger,

1108
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: like that can happen, and it can be hurt, and

1109
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: it's hard to like cut it or break it. Just

1110
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: random thing reasons for parents to worry, random shit, but

1111
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: like getting it out of your dick. Like I don't

1112
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: believe in God, but I'm pretty sure God put that

1113
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 2: piece of hair around.

1114
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: Oh God, that is kind of the shitty thing God

1115
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: would do instead of just strike John Schmidt's down, make

1116
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: a baby suffer to ruin his career, fucking asshole like

1117
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: that is is a very old testament God. So you know,

1118
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: the story breaks. I'm sure the police just can't keep

1119
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: their mouths shut or whatever. But like it breaks, and

1120
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: it creters John as a political figure. This is the

1121
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: end of his like meaningful public life. He makes another

1122
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: congressional run in nineteen eighty three, but he loses by

1123
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: more than fifty points. The affair was such a scandal

1124
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: that it also ends Mary Schmidz's career on TV, which

1125
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: is a kind of evidence of some massada, right because like,

1126
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: this isn't her fault, right that her husband cheated on

1127
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: her with a lady, but she loses her job on

1128
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: TV as a right wing shithead anyway, I guess it's

1129
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: unjust she does suck, so you know, take you think

1130
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: about that how you want. I guess the two separate,

1131
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: but they get back together. True to his nature's human garbage,

1132
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Schmids never supports Carla Stuckle or helps to support their

1133
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: He refuses to pay right. He is like this his

1134
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: whole life. When the police question him, he tells the

1135
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: police straight up, I do not and will not support

1136
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: him financially. Because the police are like, do you want

1137
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: to help pay the bill with the hospital for your son?

1138
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: He's like, I will not pay any money. It is

1139
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: her responsibility to take care of him, not mine. Replicans

1140
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: party of personal responsibility.

1141
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: Yea, indeed, I mean at least I will give him this.

1142
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: He didn't, like, you know, advocate for stealth abortion the

1143
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: way other Republicans do with their mistresses. Right.

1144
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: No, he has the kid and then he I mean

1145
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: he was anti abortion, but he does have his kid, yeah.

1146
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: And then allows them to live a life of like,

1147
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: you know, a shitty life where his dad doesn't hug

1148
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: him or support him or love him the way Republicans

1149
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 2: want in order to breed more Republicans.

1150
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: Guess what, You're head of the game again, Francesca. Okay,

1151
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: these kids have a nightmare life. Carla Stuckle is left

1152
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: to support both children on her own. This is actually

1153
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: did you watch The House of Usher?

1154
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: No?

1155
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: Oh, well, these two kids have literally the background of

1156
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: the kids. I honestly wonder if that's who what's his

1157
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: name was thinking of what? Anyway, So Carla is left

1158
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: to support these kids on her own, which she does

1159
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: until nineteen ninety three when she dies due to complications

1160
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: from type one diabetes. She had been like working barely

1161
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: keeping it together to take care of these two on

1162
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: her own, and then she dies. Schmids refuses to take

1163
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: either of his children and they're sent to an orphanage.

1164
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: Oh John Smith's god, it's fuck a piece of shit.

1165
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he just like, not my responsibility, not my job.

1166
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: Her body made him fuck her like it's it's that's him.

1167
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 5: Uh.

1168
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: He lives on increasing increasingly angry, interrational until two thousand

1169
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: and one, when he dies of prostate cancer. The Journal

1170
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: of Historical Review, which exists Tony the Holocaust, called him

1171
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: a good friend in its obituary. He's a just a

1172
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: cool guy. He is, by the way, a Holocaust denier.

1173
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: He attends a vince held by the Journal of historical review.

1174
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: Of course he has. He had to get the Bengo.

1175
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: Guard, Yeah, exactly to complete it.

1176
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's almost the in Francisca, because we got

1177
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: one bond on this episode. Yes, Sophie, just read it

1178
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: at the start. I mentioned at the start. Remember his

1179
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: daughter Mary Kay. Yeah, right, Schmids the daughter that he

1180
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: had with his wife, right, who starts there when her

1181
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: baby brother dies, Yeah, which probably fucks her up somewhat.

1182
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: So in between John getting exposed as a philandering fraud

1183
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: and dying while he's still alive, something else happened, not

1184
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: to him, but to his daughter, Mary Kay. She becomes

1185
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: a middle school teacher and she marries someone. I want

1186
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: you do you want to guess what the last name

1187
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: of her husband is becomes her last name? No, no,

1188
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: Mary Kay Laturno, that's John Schmitz's daughter. Now, depending on

1189
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: how much you know about this story, so you are saying,

1190
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: oh shit.

1191
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: I actually don't know this story.

1192
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, in like the mid nineties, Mary Kaylaturno. I

1193
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: think it's the mid nineties, Mary Kay Turno gets famous

1194
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: because she starts she's a school teacher, a middle school teacher,

1195
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: and she repeatedly statutorily rapes one of her twelve year

1196
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: old male students and has two children with him. Oh

1197
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: my fucking gets public and she it is a massive

1198
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: national news story. This is front page news on every

1199
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: household for weeks for.

1200
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: The first female teacher is a predator.

1201
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 5: And you've probably you've probably seen the clips of like

1202
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 5: them when they're older and her being like, oh is

1203
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 5: the boss and him being like what the fuck and like, yeah,

1204
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 5: it's because.

1205
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 3: They go on to like get married and yeah, well

1206
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 3: she's I mean she in prison and then makes Yeah,

1207
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 3: it's it's really dark.

1208
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: It's my gosh, fucked up story.

1209
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 4: She died horribly though, so that's cool.

1210
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: She does die really badly, so yeah, that's John Schmitz's

1211
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: primary legacies are that he helped create the modern Republican

1212
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: Party that we're all desperately hoping doesn't kill everybody today.

1213
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: And he gave birth and raised Mary Kayla Turno, who

1214
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: became one of the most famous pedophiles in this country's history.

1215
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: So oh, I was not see that one coming, did you?

1216
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 5: Was not ready for that last paragraph?

1217
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: Surprise pedophile in the fourth quarter, baby, Oh my god.

1218
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 4: Thank you for knowing what the fourth quarter is.

1219
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: Wow, they breed, this is these are the kinds of

1220
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: people they breed. This is what happens.

1221
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you I mean, you know what

1222
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: I will, Mary Kayla Turno is a bad person. But

1223
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: having your parents fist who neglect you and kind of

1224
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: put you in a situation where you were responsible for

1225
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: your infant brother or your child brother's death, couldn't have helped.

1226
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: Like that didn't make the odds of her turning out

1227
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: healthy better? Right?

1228
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 2: No? And also like we don't know whatever, like some

1229
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: other ship might have happened, you know what I mean, Sure,

1230
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 2: someone who knows exactly like something else might have happened.

1231
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: She is bad and so is he.

1232
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: She's bad, She's very bad. She's curse. They're so cursed.

1233
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: Also sounds like a dog shit family.

1234
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: It's a very dog shit family, Robert.

1235
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 5: I think this is the first time in like a

1236
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 5: really long time that I've been extremely surprised at the

1237
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 5: end of.

1238
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't say that one coming at all, did you?

1239
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 3: So?

1240
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 2: I wish I was more up on my on my

1241
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:27,919
Speaker 2: child rapists.

1242
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 5: There's a there's a there's a lot of clips going

1243
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 5: around because there's a Netflix movie that's loosely based based

1244
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 5: off the story called me Yeah.

1245
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: Good stuff, good stuff. I just know this is one

1246
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: of those episodes that, like the instant I said that

1247
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: across the country, like hundreds of thousands of people all went,

1248
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: oh fuck, really you know I did not like it was.

1249
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: It's such a funny bookend for this. Not funny because

1250
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: like an actual child was deeply, deeply harmed here, more

1251
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: than one. A lot of children actually armed in this story.

1252
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: But just it was not not what you expect the

1253
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: first ninety percent of this story, right, It's a.

1254
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 2: Fun distraction from the rest of it, which was like

1255
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: the origins of like the fly right and mano, Like

1256
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 2: that's I like, you.

1257
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: Really refreshing, Yeah exactly.

1258
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 2: Really exactly cleanse my palate from all the other stuff.

1259
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm. It's like that sip of water when you're

1260
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: doing a wine tasting. For sure, this is probably not

1261
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: a road to go down.

1262
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, do not. But hey, look they got

1263
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: a Netflix show, I mean movie, so.

1264
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I'm gonna be watching that tonight.

1265
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, poor Schmidz doesn't get a special.

1266
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:56,959
Speaker 1: So Francesca Fiorentini, you have a podcast Habituation Room, which

1267
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: people should listen to. I have been on it.

1268
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: You have you were great, you were there in person.

1269
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 2: I'm doing another live show on January twenty eighth, seven

1270
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: pm at the Gateway Theater in San Francisco, is a

1271
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 2: part of SF Sketch Fest, and Miles Gray is going

1272
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 2: to be there, and thank you so much. And now

1273
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just sit in shame that I didn't know

1274
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: who Mary Kayla Turno was and I was just now

1275
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: it's okay, it's okay, double knew it.

1276
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 4: I double knew it.

1277
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 2: So we made up.

1278
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: You've got time before Sketch Fest to really really work

1279
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: on some Mary kay laterno jokes. You know what, if

1280
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: you just find David Letterman's monologues from back then you

1281
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: can steal some one.

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Speaker 2: To steal them, and Kat Williams will call me out

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Speaker 2: for it. It'll be great. Yeah, it's just been a.

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Speaker 1: Pleasure so much. Anything else you want to tell people, no, man.

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Speaker 2: Just listen to the Situation Room and there's a comic

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Speaker 2: and uh oh yeah, there's always a comedian. There's always

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Speaker 2: an expert or and activists. We talk politics and kind

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Speaker 2: of big what the fuck are we going to do

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four stuff. So it's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think that's it's useful. You're thebituation

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Speaker 1: Room has a style that is cathartic to it, and

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Speaker 1: if you think you need that right now as we

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Speaker 1: start to head into twenty twenty four, it's a great

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Speaker 1: place to get it. So you listen to some of

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Speaker 1: that relax. I feel too bad for laughing about the Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: you never know where Married Kay Laturno is going to

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Speaker 1: be heading in an episode, so best I could do

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Speaker 1: that any day.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, my face is a different shade.

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Speaker 4: That's how shocking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like how you know, you I may

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Speaker 1: have American history before j six and after we're like,

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Speaker 1: oh wow, now a coup could just happen at any time.

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Speaker 1: It's real to us now. The possibility of being confronted

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Speaker 1: with Mary Kay Laturno is going to be lurking in

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Speaker 1: the back of your mind every episode, Sophie forever.

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Speaker 5: It's been five or six years, and this is the

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Speaker 5: first time where I couldn't close my bow.

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Speaker 4: The pure shock of the Mary Kay Turno draw.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: See, it's a good way to four.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like I gotta go, like

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Speaker 4: hug a dog in this.

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Speaker 1: Episode, What Yeah, Yeah, Bye, all right, everybody, Bye bye bye.

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