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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're kind of switching gears, going full board into elk

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Speaker 1: from here on out. Just finished up a few turkey hunts,

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Speaker 1: just got back from Idaho on a spring bear hunt

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Speaker 1: where we had some success, and so we're ready to

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Speaker 1: kind of dive headfirst into elk. And this last weekend

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Speaker 1: I was able to do a elk calling seminar for

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Speaker 1: some veterans here in my home state of Washington, and

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Speaker 1: there was some great conversations, some great questions asked, and

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Speaker 1: so I figured I would dive a little deeper into

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Speaker 1: some of the things that we talk about regularly, but maybe,

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Speaker 1: you know, elaborate, go a little deeper on them and

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Speaker 1: see if we can't answer some questions there. But do

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Speaker 1: a little recap on the Idaho bear hunt. Was able

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Speaker 1: to go over there. My buddy Tyson had a tag

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Speaker 1: and was able to be the cameraman. Again. I remembered

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Speaker 1: how to turn the camera on and run it after

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Speaker 1: a little bit of time, but yeah, he was able

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Speaker 1: to finally kill a good boar. On day six of

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Speaker 1: what was a six day hunt. We seen twenty six

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Speaker 1: bears and the country just laid out not ideal for

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Speaker 1: killing bears, but great for spotting bears. So you could

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Speaker 1: spot bears all day long from a mile two miles away.

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Speaker 1: Going over there to kill them or be close enough

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Speaker 1: for a good shot was more difficult. And the few

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Speaker 1: times when we zoned in or honed in on the

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Speaker 1: highest density areas, we would seemed like always spot a

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Speaker 1: bear on the other side from where we were just

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Speaker 1: glassing from, decided to make a run over there. They

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be there. We would glass back where we were

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Speaker 1: just sitting there to be bears out there, and then

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Speaker 1: we would sit bears wouldn't show up. But finally, on

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Speaker 1: the last night we had spotted the bear that Tyson

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Speaker 1: killed the night before, went over there and just forced

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Speaker 1: ourselves to stay put, and that bear came out out.

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Speaker 1: He was on a mission to go check out us

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Speaker 1: south that had a cub down below us that we've

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Speaker 1: been watching for five to ten minutes, and he was

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Speaker 1: able to make a great shot at a one hundred

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Speaker 1: hunting is fun, you know, had to get the wind

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Speaker 1: right the way we came into that area, had to

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Speaker 1: get the wind right, and it worked out great one

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Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna I'm gonna go on a little tangent.

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Speaker 1: And we had a social post this last week. You know,

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Speaker 1: as we're driving in this area, you have a somebody

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Speaker 1: had nailed their own sign to one of the speed

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Speaker 1: limit signs area and said hunt your own state. And

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Speaker 1: it created a lot of a lot of back and forth.

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Speaker 1: Some people were pissed, you know from Idaho. Some people

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Speaker 1: were in support of it. And these are just gonna

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Speaker 1: kind of be my ramblings on it. I always just

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Speaker 1: wonder like where that comes from. I know people could

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Speaker 1: get frustrated. It is their backyard. They may feel I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say entitled, but they may they do

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Speaker 1: have more ownership of the area, the you know, maintain

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Speaker 1: the road all of that. But I always just kind

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Speaker 1: of scratched my head. We were there on a spring

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Speaker 1: bear hunt. Yes, we love hunting for what it is.

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Speaker 1: We love to help with predators where we can. In

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Speaker 1: the week we were there traveling all over, side by side, truck,

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Speaker 1: whatever it may be. We saw three other bear hunters

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Speaker 1: were like in Baar Country there were still Turkey seasons

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Speaker 1: going on and people hunting, and you know, it was

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Speaker 1: prior to Memorial Day weekend, so there were a lot

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Speaker 1: on side by sides or whatever. So be it. But

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Speaker 1: all from Washington, and so it was like, Number one,

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Speaker 1: we're over there. In my opinion, like, yeah, we get

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Speaker 1: the bear hunt. We love to do it. We would

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Speaker 1: do it if it was in Washington, Idaho, wherever. But

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Speaker 1: we're going over there to help kill predators, killing you know,

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Speaker 1: We're taking care of the ground. We we picked up

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Speaker 1: these people that put up the sign, I'm sure if

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Speaker 1: we could sit down and talk and you know, have

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Speaker 1: the same amount of respect for each other, and if

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Speaker 1: what's your plan, we'll come up with a plan. B

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Speaker 1: It's just I just I always just kind of scratch

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Speaker 1: my head. We're only allotted ten percent of the overall

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if everybody ended up in the

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Speaker 1: But we're we're only given a certain amount of tags

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Speaker 1: that I do remind you costs ten times as much

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Speaker 1: as what you're paying as a resident to help fund

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Speaker 1: the last time I checked sixty percent of your fishing game.

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Speaker 1: I just I've always felt like I'm respectful of of

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Speaker 1: just it always just kind of I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: getting at? Is? Are you struggling to find success? Is

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Speaker 1: that why you're frustrated? Are you know? Some people say,

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Speaker 1: I know Dirk has mentioned multiple times, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: guys from Washington over and shoot a bunch of two

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Speaker 1: kind of struggles. You know, what's what's what's legal, what's not,

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Speaker 1: and then trying to judge that, yes, I go over

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Speaker 1: going we have a little battle of like back and forth, like, well, hey,

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Speaker 1: And I don't get caught up in that too much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it could have. It could affect, you know, the age

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Speaker 1: of this, it was, you know, well I had a

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Speaker 1: non resident. I was sneaking in on a bear. I

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Speaker 1: that I was. I'm like, but that doesn't necessarily that's

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Speaker 1: not because they were non resident. You could have just

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Speaker 1: And so I don't necessarily. My closing thought on this

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Speaker 1: is it's not necessarily non resident versus resident. It's good

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Speaker 1: regardless of what states. There's good apples, you know, so

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Speaker 1: to speak, no pun intended on people from Washington. There's

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Speaker 1: good apples and there's bad apples. Right from every state.

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Speaker 1: There's people that are going to push the issue, be

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Speaker 1: overly aggressive, not being willing to talk to other hunters,

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Speaker 1: not be able to work together. No, No, that's not

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Speaker 1: saying I'm not gonna maybe fifty of what I'm actually saying,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna like lead you astray or tell

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Speaker 1: there tomorrow or the next day. Like, there's just good

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Speaker 1: And it's like, I just I don't like the idea

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Speaker 1: what go hunt your own state. I'm like, well, I

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Speaker 1: other states. And you know, getting all getting all soft

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Speaker 1: I love hunting animals, I love hunting good units. But man,

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Speaker 1: it is awesome to be able to hunt my home

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we would all, you know, see eye to eye.

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Speaker 1: Albeit you know, you may want more of your your

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Speaker 1: so that's that's my rambling. I'm gonna get back to

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Speaker 1: these these elk questions that kind of were spurred from

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Speaker 1: what's my go to strategy for locating elk and unfamiliar country?

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Speaker 1: You know, how do I go about breaking down new

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Speaker 1: train and what do I look like? What do I

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Speaker 1: look for while I'm scouting? So, as I'm recording this,

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Speaker 1: it's early June. If I was to go scout, you know,

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Speaker 1: the weather starting to get better some of these areas

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Speaker 1: But maybe the elk haven't moved in there, or they're

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Speaker 1: So what would I look for now if I'm going

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Speaker 1: out scouting. Yeah, I will always look for the animals.

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Speaker 1: But what I like to do is if I'm scouting,

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Speaker 1: let's say a spot in western Washington where we don't

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Speaker 1: all the time, they are where they are, I can

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Speaker 1: hunting season in September, I can start to see where

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Speaker 1: I may not. But raking is also a verbal communication

429
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 1: that's maybe a lower threat level. So I like to

430
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: throw a lot of raking into my calling as well.

431
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, on an aggressive ble, easy, continue to do

432
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Passive bowls start at the lowest threat

433
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 1: level and slowly, slowly crank it up. You know if

434
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: if if he's biggling on his own, I feel like

435
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: you got to get tighter. You got to get inside

436
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: that bubble. And you know, we'll we'll talk a little

437
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 1: bit more about like terrain and vegetation here in a

438
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 1: little bit on on ways to move and when you

439
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 1: should move, when you should reset up. So question number three,

440
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: when do you choose the caw call over big or

441
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: vice versa. So this is this is all answer it.

442
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: I just kind of went over that on calling elk in.

443
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: But let's say we're traveling along the trail or a

444
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: road system. We're gonna walk in and most of the

445
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: time I'm locating location bugling, and I will let out

446
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: a locat or bugle every time the road kind of

447
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: bends out. So every time I'm on let's say I'm

448
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: on a main ridge, the road's running along it, but

449
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: every once in a while you got to go around

450
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: a finger ridge, right, so that puts me kind of

451
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: out into the drainage. I should have a small drainage

452
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: to my left and my right as I get to

453
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: that point, and I'll typically bugle from those. If those

454
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: are every five hundred yards, I will bugle from there

455
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: quick two to three high note bugle. I'm listening and

456
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: I'll do that, you know, every three to five hundred yards.

457
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: It's not, you know, too much. Some may say it's

458
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 1: too much, but it's just kind of enough. And if

459
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: you sound like an elk, if you got the wind right,

460
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: there's no real harm that can be done. You know,

461
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: there's there's nobody heard a truck door slam, nothing's out

462
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: of the ordinary. It could just be an elk traveling

463
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: along that trail or along that road trying to Okay

464
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: to Cow. No big deal. And the reason I like

465
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: to do that. Sometimes you'll get, you know, the next

466
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: corner away and a bowl answer back under where you

467
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: just were. For some reason or another, you didn't hear,

468
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: you didn't want to respond, you were too close for

469
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: him to respond. And so that's why I think, you know,

470
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: biggling at those points is just kind of a good

471
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: a good good reminder every time you get there, bigle

472
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: do you get a response? Now? If I'm walking on

473
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 1: those roads and I see fresh tracks or I see

474
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 1: I smell elk, and I think they're close, and I

475
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what I'm working with, I will typically

476
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 1: try to locate with a cow call just a typically

477
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, just your normal meal. Do I get an

478
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: answer yes or no? And then if I don't, I

479
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: feel like I've given enough time. Sometimes I'll calm you,

480
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, two or three times, wait, do it again

481
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: in five minutes nothing, and then you'll let you know,

482
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: you let a bigle off. And I'm trying to like

483
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: trying to decide were the elk here down, you know,

484
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: upwind of me and I'm smelling them at this location,

485
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: like where would that put the elk? I'm trying to,

486
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: you know, figure this all out as I'm sitting there

487
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 1: as well, you know, be across the road, and I'm

488
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: smelling them, and now they're down wind like this, could

489
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: I need to probably move? But yeah, that's that's how

490
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: I decide. I don't cow call a lot to locate.

491
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: But there are times when it's still er quiet, or

492
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: maybe I've got a timber flat below me. I'm like,

493
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bugle here. I'm just gonna see if

494
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: I can get them on a cow call to start with.

495
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: Once again, kind of just going to the lowest threat,

496
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: there's no harm. If that doesn't work, then I'll go

497
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: to a bugle. Now why trying to call elk in?

498
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: If I know it's a satellite bowl, I will typically

499
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: always go to cal calls and kind of, you know,

500
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: just throw them at them, you know, keep them coming.

501
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: We've been fortunate enough to call quite a few bowls,

502
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: satellite bowls in in you know, burn areas where we

503
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: can we can see exactly what they're doing as we're calling,

504
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: and it seems like the more cow calls you throw

505
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: at them, the faster they come. You know, you stop

506
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: calling for three or four minutes, they kind of slow down,

507
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: They're looking around, they are still coming your way. But

508
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 1: you go back to cow calls, it's almost like they

509
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: get excited they're on their way that satellite bowl, especially

510
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: when you're not talking about like the mature satellite bulls

511
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: that are maybe challenging herd bulls or other mature satellite

512
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: bulls for you know, small little harems or able to

513
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: take cows away like that mid range satellite bowl. You

514
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: they get pretty excited. You can't overcall. Now if we're

515
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: talking like mature quote unquote mature satellite bulls. Once we

516
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: get to watch in the morning that that are really

517
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: pestering the herd trying to peel a cow or two off,

518
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: I would probably tend to be agle at those because

519
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: they're obviously willing to challenge live herd bulls. You can

520
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: call those in, you know, if they think they're going

521
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: to come in and have cows and that one that's

522
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: more of that mixed bag. But you really need to

523
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: know what you're working with on those, and sometimes you

524
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: were going to have to make a guestman on whether

525
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: you were calling to a herd bowl or calling to

526
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: a satellite bowl. In those instances where they're in the

527
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: timber and you just can't see him. And I told

528
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: the story at the seminar the other night. I've killed

529
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 1: a handful, you know, or a rafter full of bulls,

530
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: real small satellite bowls from here in my backyard on

531
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: the Willow Paul Hills that I thought I was calling

532
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: to the herd bowl. There was a herd bowl there,

533
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: but the satellite bowl gets curious or comes in first

534
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: to what I would consider herd bowll tactics where I'm

535
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: estrous whining and putting big challenge beagles on that bowl.

536
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you have a satellite bowl come

537
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: into eight ten yards to check you out. So I've

538
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: always said, like in my experience, and I've did it

539
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: over and over, not only for myself but for my

540
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: buddies and people I've hunted with, you can't really overcall

541
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: and you're still gonna kill satellite bulls with those herd

542
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: bull tactics. So question four, what terrain features do I prioritize?

543
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: Why when elk hunning midday? So you've heard a lot

544
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: of us, you know, some of you have heard us

545
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: talk about that midday madness. We kill a lot of

546
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: bulls in midday, just times, just as many as we

547
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: do in the morning or in the evening. I actually

548
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: prefer an evening hunt, especially if I've got to hunt

549
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: the bowl for what we call hunting them for the

550
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: next day or for the next you know, the next opportunity.

551
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: I love being able to hunt a bowl that I've

552
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: patterned that I feel is uninterrupted. So if a bowl

553
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: feeds from you know, meadow, a and timber, be a

554
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: lot of times I will assume that that bowl or

555
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: that herd is going to reverse what they did. If

556
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: they're uninterrupted. Obviously there was good feed there. The lead

557
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: cow likes getting them there. Now with that said, there

558
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: are many herds that do more of a loop. They

559
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: will start feeding out the other side of the timber

560
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: and end up there in the morning. I just happened

561
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: to catch them there in the morning. So I love

562
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: hunting elk at night, being able to like have a

563
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: good idea where I think they're going to end up.

564
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: But let's go back to midday. So let's say you

565
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: watch a herd feed. They go from the ideal feed,

566
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: the meadow, the open, the clear cut, wherever you're at,

567
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: where your main food sources at, and they will transition

568
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: from that food to bed at some point, whether they

569
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: need to do it based on the thermal switching, they

570
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: need to get back in there under safety, they need,

571
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, some of these things, pressure, whatever it may be.

572
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: Those those elk will slowly move from ideal feed to

573
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 1: what we call the fringe or the transition into their

574
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: ultimate bed. I like to I used to put a

575
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on them in that transition unless you

576
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: can get in front of where they want to go

577
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: an ambush, slash call, or just straight ambush elk. It's

578
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: it's almost impossible to call elk backwards unless the terrain

579
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: and vegetation allows you to get so close to them

580
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: that you can get that bowl to peel off. But

581
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: elk are creatures of habit. They want to go where

582
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: they want to go already, they don't want to be

583
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: turned around by calling. A lot of times with that

584
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: in the eyes on you and noise, you're not gonna

585
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 1: be able to just sneak up on them. So if

586
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: you can ambush and get ahead of them, that works great,

587
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: But typically we will let them if we're not in

588
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: a position they get there very quickly, or if the

589
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: wind's gonna get crazy in the middle of our approach,

590
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let them get to the bedding and

591
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: settle down. A lot of time that a lot of

592
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: times that bowl, if he's bugling, will continue to bogle

593
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: or will buggle again when he gets to his bed.

594
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: And then I need to start thinking about how am

595
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: I going to get there? With where the wind's at

596
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: right now, with where the wind's gonna be when I

597
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: get there, and what's the wind you know, where the

598
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: thermal is going to be. You know, what's the shade

599
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: is on the north face the south face? Am I

600
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: gonna have swirling winds in there? How am I going

601
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: to approach? And typically it involves a lot of work

602
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: it You know, you're gonna have to drop elevation, gain elevation,

603
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: but it's the way you're gonna have to get in

604
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: there to do it right. You know a lot of

605
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: times I will assume the winds going up after a

606
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: certain time, depending on how steep the drainage is, and

607
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: so we will a lot of times just wait for

608
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: that to fully switch, get fully stable. Now there are

609
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: days where storm systems are moving in or it's warm,

610
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: but we know the weather. You know, hey, the weather's

611
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: gonna switch from you know high pressure in seventies in

612
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: the middle of day and it's gonna clouds are moving

613
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: in and it's gonna rain the night. If I'm gonna

614
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: be if I'm not gonna be able to make my

615
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: move fast enough, and I'm not very patient person, i

616
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: may have to just say, hey, we're gonna have to

617
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: go after him in the morning or wait till this

618
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: weather stabilizes. So I'm thinking about thermals, I'm thinking about

619
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 1: prevailing wind, and I'm also thinking about like storm system

620
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: wind as I make my approach. So you're gonna want

621
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: to go where you think either a lot of times

622
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: and and midday you're gonna want to approach from above

623
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: the elk, which you know, depending on how the terrain

624
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: and vegetation lays out is going to affect that, or

625
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: the way that we will typically do it is we

626
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: will go down the drainage from those elk far enough

627
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: on the opposite side, far enough below them that when

628
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: we start to come up the other side, the wind

629
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: is going to miss them, and I would rather come

630
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: up on contour with them if if certain areas, So

631
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: it depends on what what's going to be allowed. I'm

632
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: not afraid to to you know, spend a couple hours

633
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: getting in on them, and and you you know, I

634
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 1: try to read the wind where the elk are at

635
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: a lot of times, if we've hunted areas over over

636
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: many years, we kind of know that there's going to

637
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: be scrolling winds or hey, you know, the elk aren't dumb.

638
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: They bedd in certain areas for certain reasons, and we

639
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: we've you know, had to do some out of the

640
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: box things. But know when you get in there, if

641
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: there were satellite bowls in that herd, the satellite bulls

642
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: will almost always bed downwind from the herd you're trying

643
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: trying to get in on. So if you're doing everything right,

644
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: you will typically run into bedded satellite bowls somewhere along

645
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: the way of you trying to get to that herd

646
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 1: bowl or if you're wanting to kill those satellite bulls,

647
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: keep that in mind that typically those satellite bowls are

648
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: going to bed two, three, four hundred yards downwind from

649
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: where that that betted herd is. So train features. I'm

650
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: looking for benches, I'm looking for water, I'm looking for

651
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: and once again these are ideal, little cookie cutter you know,

652
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: benches of some sort which is just a break in

653
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: the train or a you know, a gradually not a

654
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: steep train. And then those elk want some sort of

655
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: protection above. So like a lot of times, if you've

656
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: got like steep behind it, they've got you know, they're

657
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: gonna want to have exit routes. So I'm just looking

658
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: for some of those terrain features. A lot of times

659
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: this gives it, like a bonus point is if there's

660
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: like a low pass up the ridge from there for escapement,

661
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: so they have to come up and over they can

662
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: quickly jet out or jet out a trail system, you know,

663
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: is what I'm looking for. And then ideally as we

664
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: move in tight, we got to be really patient. I'm

665
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: really waiting because I don't know where that bowl's at.

666
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: But if I've did everything right and the wind is

667
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: in my face, I should be able to smell the

668
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 1: herd elk that we're after. But I don't know exactly

669
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: where he's at. I don't want to get picked off

670
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: by any elk, so I'm typically waiting for him to

671
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: make a midday bugle or he will eventually get up

672
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: bump cows, maybe check on them again. And then a

673
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: lot of times midday, he may run off to some

674
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: close water source, so you could be on that water source,

675
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: or you could try to kill him when he comes

676
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: back from the water source, or a lot of times

677
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: when he gets going if you elect to call, you

678
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: can sometimes get him fired up from sneaking in that

679
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: close to his herd. But yeah, train features I'm wanting,

680
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, around home alders because there's typically water in

681
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: that area. It's cooler, so elk love to bed and alders,

682
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, if i'm if I'm you know what I

683
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: call out west anywhere besides the coastal stuff I'm looking for,

684
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, bigger timber, more solid shade cover, you know.

685
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: But there are units where the elk will bed out

686
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: in the sage all day long. So just what terrain

687
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: features in that area is going to defer no matter

688
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: where you're at, and elk will kind of bed all over.

689
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: But that's typically what I'm looking for, is some sort

690
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: of a relief in the train feature into a bench.

691
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: Question five, and this will be a little bit shorter.

692
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 1: How close do you like to get before making your

693
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: final setup as close as possible so you can't put

694
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: a number on that that's going to depend on the train.

695
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: You know, I always tell everybody a flat hayfield is terrible,

696
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: but you know a flat, a flat that is full

697
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: of big timber is better because I now have vegetation

698
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: that allows me to get a lot closer keep me

699
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: out of the visual of those elk. Now you add

700
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: timber or brush into steep rolling country. Now I've got

701
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: the ideal situation. I've got the train helping me where

702
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: the vegetation can't, and I've got vegetation helped me where

703
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: maybe the train isn't. You know, can't give me everything,

704
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: but that combination and the ability to move it is ideal.

705
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: So as close as I can get, But ideally, I

706
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: don't want to make a peep until I'm within one

707
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards of those elk. Now do I always get

708
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: that close? No? Sometimes the train and vegetation won't allow it.

709
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: And if I move another twenty or thirty fet I

710
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: may be able to get away with it. But maybe

711
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: the setup isn't right, or maybe I can't get away

712
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: with that twenty to thirty feet. But if I stay

713
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: at one hundred and thirty yards, at least I've got

714
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: a good setup. So my setup always dictates how close

715
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: I can get first, and then if I believe I

716
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: can set up in a spot, I will continue to push.

717
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: But as you approach, you're starting to like visualize yourself

718
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: because you're looking twenty thirty forty yards ahead, like if

719
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: I got to that tree. And people get pretty good

720
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: at this, Like as you're walking through the woods, if

721
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: you've got good woodsman ship, you're like, oh, yeah, the

722
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: trail is gonna I'm gonna go that way, and then

723
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: there won't be any trees in my way. I don't

724
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: have to step over any logs. Like you're looking ahead

725
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: and you're trying to visualize, like if I set up

726
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: at that tree, what can I see? Where's that out

727
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: gonna come from? So ideally one hundred yards if possible,

728
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: but really as close as you can get without bumping anything.

729
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: You do not ever want to let them see you.

730
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: You know they can hear you. Sound isn't the end

731
00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: of the game, but a lot of times I will

732
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: try to move in silent. It's kind of that shock

733
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: and awe system. If I can now if you've been

734
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: pushing an elk, and maybe it's your second or third

735
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: set up, you don't have to be as quiet you know,

736
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: an elk isn't going to get there without being quiet,

737
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: so there's no necessarily need. But I don't know, just

738
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like, hey, I want to especially when

739
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm moving in on betting areas and stuff. I just

740
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: want to be ultimate, you know, ultra quiet, not making

741
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: a peep. Question six, how do you handle a hung

742
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: up bowl that won't close a distance? This is a

743
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: tough one. Ideally you prevent that from not setting up

744
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: where they're going to hang up, you know, be forty

745
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: yards from when an elk. So here's here's how number one,

746
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: we're reversing nature. A bowl beagles, that cow usually chooses

747
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: him and goes to him number one. Number two, when

748
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: a bowl does have to commit and close some of

749
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: that distance themselves, they will tip typically stop where they

750
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: see where the caller is or where that supposed elk,

751
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: whether it be it a bowl or cow is, and

752
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: expect to see them. And if you're not there, they

753
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: will typically hang out for maybe a minute too, maybe

754
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: pace a little bit, bugle again, and head right back

755
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: to where they came from. So if you prevent that

756
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: by getting forty yards from say a terrain break or

757
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: forty yards away or whatever your archery range is away

758
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: from a brush line. Do not set up one hundred yard,

759
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, on a one hundred yard wide meadow, because

760
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: that bull's going to get to the edge of the meadow,

761
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: expect to see you, or expect for you to show yourself,

762
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: and then he's going to leave. So hung up bulls

763
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: Number one. I try to prevent him if we get

764
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: in a scenario where maybe we've pulled him as far

765
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: as he's willing to go and leave his cows, but

766
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: maybe he's still seventy or eighty yards out. This is

767
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: where either some out of the box stuff has to happen.

768
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: We call you know, the dirt calls it the weep,

769
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: wizbang or whatever he calls it. Where he'll fade back

770
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: like maybe he's maybe that bull's willing to chase a

771
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: ca how a little bit farther if she's not at

772
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: seventy yards or eighty yards or one hundred yards or

773
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty yards, like, maybe he'll keep coming

774
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: to that cow sound. Maybe he'll chase that bugle next

775
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: or fifty or sixty yards from where you originally started calling.

776
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: We will also give them the silent treatment. There are

777
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: times where you just feel like, all right, we've bugled

778
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: a lot back and forth, back and forth. He's just

779
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: sitting their hammering at seventy yards. He's not really in

780
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: a hang up spot, but he's not coming any closer,

781
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: so technically he's hung up. We will just go silent

782
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: for not forty four to five minutes and see if

783
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: he will respond to that. What's his reaction If he

784
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: starts to head back to his herd. Sometimes we will.

785
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: We may start calling again and he will come back

786
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: to that spot, but there's like an invisible line. He

787
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: is not coming any closer to us. At that point,

788
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: you go quiet, let him go back to his herd,

789
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: settle down, and then we have to make up the

790
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: distance with our feet. And then a lot of times

791
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: we can call him back to that same location if

792
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: he hasn't moved his herd. If that makes any sense,

793
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: so he's probably willing to come back to that spot. Now,

794
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: if I'm seventy or eighty yards, I need to be

795
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: able to move forty or fifty and be able to

796
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: shoot that location when he comes back. Sometimes we will

797
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: do it, especially if it's a two person setup, we

798
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: will have one person stay back and that way only

799
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 1: the shooter has to move up forty or fifty yards

800
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: and then we'll play it that way, and then when

801
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: you start to call up, maybe we can get him

802
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: to come back there. So hung up bowls are tough,

803
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: but I would say, fade back on your calling, be quiet,

804
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: and then if you need to let him go back

805
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: to his herd or go the direction he wants, and

806
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: then close the distance, get a little bit better setup.

807
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: Question seven. What gear tech has actually made a difference

808
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: in my success? Man, We work with a lot of

809
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: great brands, and I don't want to like say that

810
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: it's made the difference. It does their incremental differences. You know,

811
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: when we first started, I didn't hunt with a range fighter.

812
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: I had a big old bushnail eight hundred and it

813
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: just wasn't I used it for rifle hunting more than

814
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: than archer hunting. Now that we've got the smaller archery ones,

815
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: we've got easy ways to keep them and keep them

816
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: out of the way. Archery range finders are definitely, you know,

817
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: one of the bigger things that I use Now. There

818
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: are still situations where you've got to be able to

819
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: guess or guess them at yardage very you know, very closely.

820
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: But I would say archie range finders have been a

821
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: game changer. Early in my career, I had all kinds

822
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: of issues with boots, so that's that's kind of that

823
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: gear when I finally got the you know, a pair

824
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: of boots that fit right has been able to allow

825
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 1: me to go and then they're just lighter gear. Maybe

826
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: it lets you go farther. You know, it's just there's

827
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: there's lots of great gear, but as far as like

828
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: making a difference in success, I would say for me,

829
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: it's been range finders and you know, a pair of

830
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: boots that fits a little bit better. You know, packs,

831
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, don't lead to success necessarily, but they're definitely

832
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: more comfortable. They make they make the whole thing and

833
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: more enjoyable, you know, tense or lighter, but don't necessari

834
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: lead to success. I'm going to pack a six pound

835
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: tent up there, but man, packing a two pound tent

836
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: is a lot nicer, you know. But yeah, I would

837
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: say that rangefinders that have actually made a difference and

838
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: allowed me to be more successful at least on you know,

839
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: the archery side. You know, I don't use lighted ox

840
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: I can see where people have trouble following their arrow

841
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: or you know, need to find their arrow. Could help

842
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: and success. I wouldn't say success, it may help them

843
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: know what happened on on the rifle side, you know,

844
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: a muzzloader side. Changing of some laws where inline muzzloaders

845
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: are now legal allows me to use you know some

846
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: you know guns that were designed for black Horn two

847
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: and nine loss these get up ignition systems that allow

848
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: us to shoot farther. We had a rule change that

849
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: allows us to use a one x red dot which

850
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: now extends your range with the muzzloader. On the rifle side,

851
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: just the the technology changes over the last twenty years,

852
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: you know, more accurate rifles, more confidence in me as

853
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: a shooter. And then I grew up, you know, the

854
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: old Kentucky windage. We would just hold over, so we

855
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: really had you know, uh three hundred yard range limit

856
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: and if something was really set still, we knew exactly

857
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: what our holdovers needed to be at four hundred and

858
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: it was kind of a holdover in guests, like all right,

859
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 1: we need to be you know, twenty seven inches high

860
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: at four hundred, Like all right, an elk's chest is

861
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: twenty you know, whatever it is, you would you would

862
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: make that decision and just have to hold over. So on.

863
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: On rifles, I would say scopes with turrets. There's always

864
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 1: been that technology, but it's not something I utilized until

865
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: just recently. Like I say, I I have shot a

866
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 1: few animals, which what some people may consider long range,

867
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: but the majority of our stuff is still close. I

868
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: would say it's just my confidence to go out there

869
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: and execute a good shot. You know, triggers that are

870
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: actually at two pounds versus my old you know, my

871
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: old ruger that I grew up with, I had a

872
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: seven pound trigger. You know, some of these things are

873
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: just they aid in me being more confident. Question eight.

874
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: How do I stay mentally sharp during multi day hunts

875
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: with little action? I was just kind of through sports,

876
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: through growing up, just my mentality, some of my hunting

877
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: partners mental toughness and mentality. Yeah, there are times where

878
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: we get down. Our buddies will pick us up. I

879
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: would just kind of say, we're kind of built for

880
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: that where it doesn't get at us. I'm also not

881
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: willing to stay in an area where there's a little

882
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: action unless I know the little actions being caused by

883
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: a lull in the rut, some pressure, I will just

884
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: pick up and leave to a different spot within the

885
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: unit or with the zone, or wherever I can hunt.

886
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: But we just go in with the mindset. And we've

887
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: did this long enough with the same group of guys,

888
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: Like you only get so many days a year to hunt.

889
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: We absolutely love the hunt. We love the grind, and

890
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: we love the difficulty. Like early in my you know,

891
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: early when and when I started hunting, you know, especially

892
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: as a youngster, and then as I got into high

893
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: school and even into college, I always say blood thirsty,

894
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: but I was very set on being I wanted to

895
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: kill as fast as I could. Maybe maybe horn siyes

896
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: didn't matter. The experience didn't matter, the adventure didn't matter.

897
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: It's like I want to go out and I want

898
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: to kill the biggest animal I can on the very

899
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: first day and be done because that made me look

900
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: like a better hunter or whatever. Now as I'm getting older,

901
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: like man, I love a grind. I love killing things

902
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: on the last day. I love going into the last

903
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: day being like I got just as good as chance

904
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: as the day I showed up. I feel like, regardless

905
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: of what you kill, when you come home, and look

906
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: at that, you're like, yep, that deer was killed on

907
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: day nine of a nine day hunt and it was

908
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: five degrees you know, you know, we had crazy temperature

909
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: swings last year on my Idaho deer hunt with Tyson Dice.

910
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: Tyson killed on day two. I killed on day nine,

911
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: and we were going home that afternoon like we had

912
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: one more hurrah and we were going to do a

913
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: two and a half hour dive in we spotted a

914
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: buck across the way bedded, and fortunately we found a

915
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: buck below us before we took off. But that was

916
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: our day. We were going to give everything we had

917
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: to the very end. And a lot of this was

918
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: built through experience. Enough of me and my buddies and

919
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: guys I hunt with camera, guys, guys that were there,

920
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: you know in these hunts. We've been there enough to

921
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: know it only takes one and it can happen at

922
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: any time. It can happen on the very first morning

923
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: of the hunt, it can happen on the very last

924
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: evening of the hunt. And most of the time in

925
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: areas that we're hunting or not being messed with by

926
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: other pressure, it's equal throughout the whole hunt. Like it's

927
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: just a matter of an animal being in the right

928
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: place at the right time, and we can make a

929
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: move on it. So mental toughness is just kind of built.

930
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: I've also been a firm believer that physical toughness kind

931
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: of builds your mental toughness because if you're not challenging

932
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: yourself physical if your physical ability is a pretty high

933
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: standard or pretty high bar, then you're not questioning your

934
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: mental capacity all the time, like, man, this is tough,

935
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: Like you know, we should be doing something else. Like no,

936
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: if this is just easy, it doesn't kind of if

937
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: that makes any sense, it just doesn't kind of trigger

938
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: your mental side. And so I'm always more mentally tough

939
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: when I go into a season or a hunt in

940
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: better shape. But uh yeah, just built from experience, Like oh,

941
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: I've been there at three o'clock in the morning in

942
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: a boulder field trying to pack a quarter of a

943
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: bowl out and I live through that, Like this is easy,

944
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: Like we're still fine. Like if you keep raising the

945
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: bar on hard stuff, you've did everything else that's not

946
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: as hard as that. You're like, ah, you've you've got

947
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: you've got reason on on. I did something, you know,

948
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: like this before number nine. What's the biggest mistake I

949
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: see other elk hunters make. And I don't want to

950
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: make it about calling, but I'm gonna I'm gonna make

951
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: this one about calling people that are afraid to call

952
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: it all or don't, or they're they're unsure gain the confidence.

953
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: We've got all kinds of stuff out there for you.

954
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: You know, easy one, easy sucker. We're launching the easy

955
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: one here in a little bit, the easy Bugler. Like

956
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: some of these things are meant to make it so

957
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: that you are able to google people that call their

958
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: way all the way to elk is a big mistake.

959
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, these bulls want to maintain their cows.

960
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: They want to recreate, and they want to keep those

961
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: cows until the end, till every one of those cows

962
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: comes into estrus. Do not give them the chance to exit,

963
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, be quiet until you get there, and then

964
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: give them no choice in the whole fight or flight decision.

965
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: It's either if you're gonna fly, I'm getting your cows,

966
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: or if you're gonna keep your cows, you're gonna come

967
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: over here and we're gonna have to duke it out.

968
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: Now from a non calling side. I will add this

969
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: in hunters that are too committed to an area, I

970
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: see it. We see it every year. And don't get

971
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: me wrong, we're all out there for different reasons. You'll

972
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: see guys come out and set up a sixteen by

973
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: twenty wall tent. They got their trailers, they've got their

974
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, rain rain flies out, they've got their shade

975
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: tents out, they've got all their tables out. Those people

976
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: are locked into an area for the entire hunt. Well,

977
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: what if there aren't elk there? What if it's not

978
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: a good spot, what if the pressure in that area

979
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: is just absolutely crazy. Now, like I said, if you're

980
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: there the camp, do what you're going to do by

981
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: all means, enjoy it, live it up, get out of

982
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: it what you want out of it. But I'm there

983
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: to kill an elk. A lot of times we'll throw

984
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: out a canvas cutter, we'll throw out a pup tent.

985
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: And I'm not committing to an area until I know

986
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: there's nobody else in there, or there's enough elk and

987
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: enough action in there that I'm willing to dive in.

988
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: So that's one last little mistake. People just over committing

989
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: to an area or an idea or an e scout

990
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be, and not moving or flowing

991
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: with where the elk are for that year. I've been

992
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: to areas, you know, year after year. Sometimes it's on fire.

993
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes the elk just aren't there and there's no rhyme

994
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: or reason to it. It's like, well, is it the food?

995
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: Is it this or that? It's just not where the

996
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: elk want to be. Maybe maybe the lead cow died

997
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: over the year, or the winner and she just took

998
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: him to a completely different area. There is some data

999
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: talking with Brock as well, where sometimes these elk just

1000
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: go to a different drainage, they go to a different

1001
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, and for no rhyman reason, You're gonna have

1002
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,959
Speaker 1: to go find those out? Are there wolves in the area?

1003
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: You know? Where are these elk moving? Where do I

1004
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: go to go to find them? And then the last question,

1005
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: what's one rule I always follow when chasing herd bulls?

1006
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: Treat that stock like it's the last stock of the season,

1007
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: the last stock of your life, the last chance you're

1008
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: ever gonna get at that bowl. For me, I was like,

1009
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: why why is the last day? Why do I get

1010
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: more chances? Or why do I always seem to find

1011
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: more success on the last day than all these other days.

1012
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: And so when chasing herd bulls, chasing a bowl I

1013
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: really want to kill, I'm very I always remind myself, like,

1014
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: pull out all the stops on this, don't don't give up,

1015
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: don't get tired, don't risk the wind, don't risk being

1016
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: seen everything, do everything right, put in the extra effort,

1017
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, think about the decisions you're gonna make with

1018
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: with how you're gonna you know, how you're gonna call,

1019
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: how puce you're gonna get. Are you willing to you know,

1020
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: watch your feet and don't snap that stick whatever it is.

1021
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: Treat the light, you know, that stock or that approach

1022
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: or that calling or that setup like it's the last

1023
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: one of the year, and that that goes for archery,

1024
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: muzzload or rifle, Like what do I gotta do to

1025
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: try to make this happen? And if it's always like that,

1026
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: I feel like you're just giving yourself an edge. I

1027
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: always always got like this percent meter in my head

1028
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: where it's like, all right, whatever I'm doing right now,

1029
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: I've got a ten percent chance of killing this bowl.

1030
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: But it's all I got to go on. So We're

1031
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: gonna go do it if I can do everything right,

1032
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: and I feel like, all right now I'm up to

1033
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: twenty percent. Like you're always trying to just stack the

1034
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: odds in your favor, and I try to do that

1035
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: on every decision I make, every hunt I go on,

1036
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: every area I walk into, Like, well, I've been glass

1037
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 1: in this area for two days. On day three, why

1038
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: would and I haven't seen a note, Why on day

1039
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: three would I pick to go hike into that area

1040
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: unless I'm like, man, I just feel like there's a

1041
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: bull or some elk over there. That's just they're just

1042
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: not showing early in the morning or late at night.

1043
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: Like it just seems like a crazy the idea. But

1044
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: if I've been glass in a ridge for two or

1045
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: three days and always see a herd or two over there, yeah,

1046
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: maybe they are a long ways away. I got to

1047
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: drive around whatever it may be. There's nobody hunting them.

1048
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: They seem to stay out in the open for a while.

1049
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: They seem to be bugling good. It's a boy I

1050
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: want to go kill. Like I'm gonna throw my egg.

1051
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna going after those, Like my percentage is higher

1052
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: over there than going into an area, and so like

1053
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of that top of funnel, bottom of funnel,

1054
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: Like I'm early in a hunt, I'm gathering as much

1055
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: information as I can quickly trying to find elk, and

1056
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: then by the end, the bottom of the funnel is

1057
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: where I need to kill that elk. How am I

1058
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: going to put all these parts together, be in the

1059
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: right spot, make the right call, know where these elk

1060
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: are going to go, finally pattern them whatever it may be,

1061
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: and then kill them. Yeah. So just I'm always trying

1062
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: to stack up and fill up that meter of my

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Speaker 1: percentage of success with whatever decisions I'm making, whatever I'm

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00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: doing throughout the hunt is leading to that being as

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Speaker 1: close to one hundred as I can get it. Now.

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Speaker 1: It is hunting. It's never gonna get close to one hundred.

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Speaker 1: But I'm I'm I'm happy as it can be if

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Speaker 1: I'm out there and I feel like I've got a

1069
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Speaker 1: twenty to twenty five percent odds I kill in the

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Speaker 1: bowl that I hear beagle or the one I see

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Speaker 1: across the way, Like you give me twenty percent odds

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Speaker 1: in any situation, I'm running at that opportunity you put enough.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows how statistics. I'm a math nerd, Right, So

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Speaker 1: you give yourself five opportunities with twenty percent odds, the

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Speaker 1: odds now say you should have capitalized on one of

1076
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Speaker 1: those opportunities. Right, you give yourself ten opportunities at ten percent,

1077
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Speaker 1: you're eventually going to capitalize. And so I'm just trying

1078
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Speaker 1: to stack enough of those situations up that eventually things

1079
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Speaker 1: are going to work out for me. So no, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you all tuning in. That was my rambling about

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00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: out of state and how I think about it, and

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Speaker 1: then just ten questions I wanted to dig into a

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Speaker 1: little bit more that were spurred from an ELK calling

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Speaker 1: seminar I did this weekend. I appreciate y'all, I hope

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Speaker 1: you're all getting ready for y'all season, and thanks for

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Speaker 1: listening to. Cutting the distance is known the mot