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Speaker 1: So we've got a new boys we want everyone to

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Speaker 1: get to know. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Zach

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Speaker 1: Gershman joins me his debut appearance, so be nice. We

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Speaker 1: what he's seen, what stood out to him first though?

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Speaker 1: How about we learn more about him. It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: episode six fifty six, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Wood to Baker, what Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai Crowd partner of

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Speaker 3: He's a a ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 3: So more Harry Magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Grioloud.

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Speaker 1: Really excited to be working with this gentleman. I think

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Speaker 1: he is a great addition to the team, both online,

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Speaker 1: as they say, first impressions are important, and I've got

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Speaker 1: to say, Zach, I'm a little disappointed. Oh No, Your

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Speaker 1: debut episode of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: And there are no gifts, no nothing.

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Speaker 1: I mean you usually there's a housewarming gift when you

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Speaker 1: come to a new place, and here we are and

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Speaker 1: you're empty handed.

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Speaker 3: I like to think that I'm the gift.

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Speaker 4: It's the gift of life, the gift of my presence,

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Speaker 4: correg That's what I'm That's what I'm here for. I

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Speaker 4: want to bring the positive vibes, the energy, I want

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Speaker 1: That that all right, I'll let that slide here for

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Speaker 1: the debut episode, but before we get into the nuts

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Speaker 1: and bolts of Cardinals Training Camp powered by Cox, just

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Speaker 1: who are you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a question I asked myself quite often. I'm

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Speaker 4: Zach Gershman for all you guys back at home, thrilled

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Speaker 4: But as I mentioned, just graduated from Penn State's Donald P.

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Speaker 1: I would hope that we do see that jump year

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Speaker 1: You throw in a Victor do mckage, Jesse Luketta, all young, unproven.

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Speaker 1: Outside of Jesse, is he the only he is? He

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Speaker 4: And that'll make me happy and smile and feel fulfilled

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Speaker 1: Need to introduce you to a Q Shipley who lives

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Speaker 1: I like how the ball comes out of Clayton's hand

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Speaker 1: fascinating because we haven't seen it recently. The previous coaching

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Speaker 1: the same time, I think a lot of that. Whether

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Speaker 1: health of a zach Ertz and win he might be available.

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Speaker 1: I know he wants to be available week one. He's

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Speaker 1: still on the physically unable to perform list. But how

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Speaker 1: just that five offensive lineman, but a sixth seventh someone

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Speaker 1: on that line of scrip. Maybe two tight ends.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was standing next to Wolf on the

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Speaker 3: You, oh my god, did I.

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Speaker 4: Get an earful. I loved it though. It was great

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Speaker 4: because Jonathan Gannett said he wants to cram the ball vertical,

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Speaker 4: and I know we talked about putting that on a

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Speaker 4: if he's able to get healthy and he's able to

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Speaker 4: still in the pup list and he's not off that

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Speaker 4: first four games. But to know that, we have to

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Speaker 4: know that they have him, to know that they have

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Speaker 4: Jeff Swam, two veteran tight ends, you have the size

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Speaker 4: to do so, you have the size to run up

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Speaker 4: the middle or to run to the size of side

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Speaker 4: utilizing those tight ends. But on the passing side as well,

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Speaker 4: I've seen Jeff Swam get heavily involved into the offense.

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Speaker 4: We're assuming that zach Ertz is gonna come back healthy

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Speaker 4: and he'll be heavily involved the offense. He talked about

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Speaker 4: his recovery a little bit and said how he's been

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Speaker 4: recovering with Kyler, and the two of them have built

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Speaker 4: a great kremistry over this time, jokingly saying, or maybe

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Speaker 4: not jokingly saying, that they're going to become best friends

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Speaker 4: through this process. It'll be interesting to see how that

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Zach. I think you stopped it.

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Speaker 1: I think you passed despite how this began without any.

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Speaker 3: Did the Vibes gift the vibes the good gifts though?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it will make due.

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Speaker 3: All right, we might have to bring you back. Okay,

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Speaker 3: if we do, let me know. I will keep you updated.

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Speaker 3: Three to five businesses exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yes, don't call us, We'll call you. And on that note,

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Speaker 1: we will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hyundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Jill Mamahudra

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Speaker 1: our associate producer Cody Fitcher for the new guy, young

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Speaker 1: Zach Kershman.

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Speaker 2: I'm Praig Riolup.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two,