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Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday, everyone, Welcome to Cowboys Crosstalk. We are live

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Speaker 3: I'm Bobby Belt on through the Fan tonight. I'm joined

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Speaker 3: by my one O five through the Fan teammate Alec Medford.

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Speaker 4: Alex big Doll, big Man, what's up?

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Speaker 5: As always, you just heard him.

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Speaker 3: We got the three time Super Bowl champion, six time

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Speaker 3: pro bowler Nate Newton here with us tonight.

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Speaker 5: How was the guest chair last week?

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Speaker 6: It?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was, it was. It was a great episode.

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Speaker 5: If you don't get a chance if.

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Speaker 3: Nick new you're gonna love that part especially And our

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Speaker 3: special guest tonight is a former first round pick, a

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Speaker 3: two time Super Bowl champion, and the number two player

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Speaker 3: in Cowboys history in sacks after he's passed by one

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Speaker 3: DeMarcus Where it is, Jim, jeffco Jim, thank you for

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Speaker 3: joining us tonight. Absolutely appreciate you having it. I appreciate

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Speaker 3: you joining us here tonight. So I told you guys,

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Speaker 3: I primed you a little bit. I let you know

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Speaker 3: I was gonna throw a trivia question at you because

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Speaker 3: you guys share something in common with two other guys

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Speaker 3: that you played with. So you're one of you each

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Speaker 3: are one of four players who spent at least three

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Speaker 3: years with the Tom Landry Cowboy. And then we're present

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Speaker 3: for both of the Jimmy Super Bowls? Do you know

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Speaker 3: who the other two were?

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Speaker 7: Bill, Bill Bates and Mark Boom.

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Speaker 5: So Jeff got it bits and toy that.

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Speaker 8: About my blocking mate.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but you guys remember came in, Yeah, he came

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Speaker 9: in he came in with Michael.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that.

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Speaker 9: Shoo I talked to every day.

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Speaker 3: You let you know so because you guys have that

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Speaker 3: unique distinction though of being two of those four along

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Speaker 3: with like we said, Bill Bates and and the late

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Speaker 3: great Mark two and a. Uh talk a little bit

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Speaker 3: about that experience, uh, jim for you of being here

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Speaker 3: through kind of exiting the the prime years of America's team,

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Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys getting up through the eighties when when

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Speaker 3: you know, the twilight years of the Landry team was

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Speaker 3: things were starting to become a real struggle and there

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Speaker 3: was a lot that people felt like, you know, what

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Speaker 3: is there even to cheer for it?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 3: These are just these football teams are aren't playing very well.

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Speaker 3: And then getting back to the heights of it with

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Speaker 3: the in those darker moments where there was that lull

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Speaker 3: and you were kind of wondering, are we are we

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Speaker 9: Well, you always think that can we get out of it?

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Speaker 9: But the thing as what happened was is you had

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Speaker 9: Lot of guys that were at the end of their

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Speaker 9: that was tough. While you had that, you had bad

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Speaker 9: draft picks. Between myself and Michael Irvin, there wasn't a

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Speaker 7: So that hurts you.

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Speaker 9: That hurt you, and just you know, we didn't have

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Speaker 9: that's why you had only four four players that transition

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Speaker 9: to that from that Landria, you had Randy White and

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Speaker 9: Ed Jones were there the first training camp. Of both

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's something that I think. I think, Nate,

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Speaker 3: there was that they realized pretty quickly when Jimmy got here,

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Speaker 5: That there's some there's some holdovers.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that aren't totally buying into what Jimmy's selling here,

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Speaker 3: what we want to accomplish. Maybe Jimmy just looked at

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Speaker 3: something different here. What was it you think about your

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Speaker 3: what was it for you that you think saw you

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Speaker 3: where Jim said, you know what I can win with

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Speaker 3: that guy? And from your perspective, he said, I buy

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't know if Nate remembers this, but he

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Speaker 9: would always say, we're gonna practice like champions, We're gonna

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Speaker 9: play like champions because we will be champions. And that's

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Speaker 9: how we did it. I mean, he had some good things,

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Speaker 9: and he didn't treat everybody the same. Don't believe that

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Speaker 9: because he always had guys he said, if you are

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Speaker 9: of you. And that was the thing. But he was

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Speaker 9: to me. He told you how he felt. He would

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Speaker 9: always tell me. He said, Hey, because I'm the head coach,

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Speaker 9: I got it. But I'm an old D line covid

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Speaker 9: And he said, I love D lineman and I gotta

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Speaker 5: Nate for you, why do you? Why do you think you? Guys?

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Speaker 3: We were able to carry over through two really different

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Speaker 8: You know. Coach Landry had that culture.

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Speaker 4: Him and Gil Brandt drafted these the Randy Whites and

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Speaker 4: they had, They had a great culture, but they let

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Speaker 4: it get old.

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Speaker 8: Yes, much like a lot of our guys now older.

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Speaker 4: We have with some young guys, but we don't have

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Speaker 4: older guys that are peaking, like Jeff trying to say

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Speaker 8: And then they prime to show you how to be

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Speaker 4: These guys were great man, Randy, right, And I told

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Speaker 4: y'all last week he gave me just advice on how

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Speaker 4: he was leveling off, kind of dropping. So Jimmy came

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Speaker 4: He was like, these guys are not fast enough. Great

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Speaker 8: But they're not fast enough.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep the guys like Jeff coch Nate who's

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Speaker 4: got what I need, and we're gonna build from there.

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Speaker 8: And that's how he built this culture.

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Speaker 4: Like he said, we're gonna practice like champions, We're gonna

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Speaker 4: play like champions. And his main thing was after Troy signed,

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Speaker 4: Troy just signed it. I just signed it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: be alonger than in there, y'all. So you know, if

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Speaker 7: Doing gewhere else. That's what he said.

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Speaker 4: And he was not trying to get a whole you

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Speaker 4: know how we're doing now, trying to well, if we

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Speaker 4: trade parsons, you know, hey, we trade parsons, we can

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Speaker 4: rebuild a team like Herschia walk. He was real, He like,

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Speaker 4: if I can get a back name, we had what

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Speaker 4: twelve rounds?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I can get a twelve round pick for you.

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Speaker 8: I'm good.

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Speaker 4: That's just how much you wanted to change how he

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Speaker 4: wanted guys to think and how he wanted guys with practice.

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Speaker 4: He and it was a threat because there was no Sarahcap,

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Speaker 8: Did day they cut you? That's today your money ended.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you're talking about like that culture and that intensity

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Speaker 10: that the coaching staff and the organization brought back then

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Speaker 10: it's unheard of like nowadays. Do you think that culture

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Speaker 10: being instilled in you early helped lead to like even

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Speaker 9: No question, Because you gotta remember I came in and

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Speaker 9: the starters were hard, Martin, Yes, Randy White, John Dunton

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Speaker 9: just like Nate said, how to be a pro. They

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Speaker 9: were pros. They were pros pros. And then my position

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Speaker 9: coach was Ernie Staltner, who Hall of Famer, Yeah, hall

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Speaker 9: of famer, and he was six foot and about two

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Speaker 9: thirty five. Yeah, in the Hall of Fame as a

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Speaker 9: I learned the proper way, and I listened to him,

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Speaker 9: and I'd be in the meeting. Me and Randy go

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Speaker 9: tell me what he saw.

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Speaker 7: So I understood what we needed to do.

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Speaker 4: For a guy to watch as much film as Randy

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Speaker 8: Well, we had our team meetings after the games.

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Speaker 4: Would all kind of He remember that he would be

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Speaker 4: have stepped this away once again, Randy, great play, But

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Speaker 4: Randy will go watch film.

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Speaker 8: Say I can make this play. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So he was step out of line maybe six seven

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Speaker 8: But right here, Randy, you need it.

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Speaker 9: And he used to bring this piece of wood, yeah

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Speaker 9: to meetings and every time coach Landry calls, yeah, he'd

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Speaker 7: Will that funny man.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's uh, you guys going through that period

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Speaker 3: of being there in the you know, in the early

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if people remember it now, the

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Speaker 3: narrative back then when Jimmy was hired was these are

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Speaker 3: when when you guys started struggling early was oh, these

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Speaker 3: are college guys. They're not cut out for the league.

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Speaker 3: This is they've made a mistake. They don't know what

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Speaker 3: they're doing. And I think from the the media perspective

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Speaker 3: of the way it's been told from the media perspective

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Speaker 3: has been the coming out party for you guys where

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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, this this team's for real now, or

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Speaker 3: Yes he was, and it clearly resonated and led to

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Speaker 3: thank you again for joining us today. You know we

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Speaker 9: Well. Interestingly, Jimmy calls me in his office and he said, hey,

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Speaker 3: Is that something that obviously, offensive line is a different

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Speaker 10: Was there a moment that you kind of realized, like,

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Speaker 7: Be that vet now no question.

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Speaker 9: When Adam, Randy and those guys left, then I became

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Speaker 3: You know you you went on and had a extensive

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Speaker 9: called me about the possibility of being on his coaching staff,

442
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Speaker 9: and I really honestly didn't think about it. But then

443
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Speaker 9: I went and talked to Chan and he said, well,

444
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Speaker 9: I got some guys in mind, but if it does,

445
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Speaker 9: if it falls through, then I'm going to give you

446
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Speaker 9: a call. I said, okay, no big deal. And he

447
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Speaker 9: called me and I was with a gentleman called named

448
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Speaker 9: Jim Bates. And Jim Bates taught me, just like players

449
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Speaker 9: teach you about playing a position, he taught me about coaching.

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Speaker 3: Was that something where you know, when when you got

451
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Speaker 3: into the coaching realm, you you look at it and

452
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Speaker 3: you say, is that's how How quickly was it that

453
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Speaker 3: you started to see those traits blending and you started

454
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Speaker 3: thinking less like a player, because I'm sure right off

455
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Speaker 3: the field you're thinking more like a player in those

456
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Speaker 3: first early days. When did that mindset change to you

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Speaker 3: where you felt like you were looking at things more

458
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Speaker 3: like a coach and you and your thought process of.

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Speaker 9: Well, the biggest thing you see is uh. And I

460
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Speaker 9: learned was as a player, you dependent on yourself to

461
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Speaker 9: prepare for your game. But as a coach, you have

462
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Speaker 9: to depend on your players and make sure they're prepared

463
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Speaker 9: for the game and put them.

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Speaker 7: In a position to be successful.

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Speaker 9: You can't expect them to do everything that you did

466
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Speaker 9: because everybody's abilities are different. So I learned that as

467
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Speaker 9: I when especially in college, you gotta hey, you might

468
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Speaker 9: yell at them, but you also got to hug them

469
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Speaker 9: and tell them you love them because they're eighteen year olds,

470
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Speaker 9: eighteen twenty one year olds and the same thing you

471
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Speaker 9: do in the NFL. You got to learn that. And

472
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Speaker 9: that's the transition from being a player to a coach.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: I noticed some reason.

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Speaker 3: I was talking to a college coach friend of mine,

476
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Speaker 3: and he was saying that the biggest thing that a

477
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Speaker 3: lot of these linemen have trouble with going from college

478
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Speaker 3: to the pros offensive and defensive lineman is that when

479
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Speaker 3: they first get up, very few of them actually know

480
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Speaker 3: how to use their hands. Yes, that so many of

481
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Speaker 3: them just went on their ability where they're just so

482
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Speaker 3: much more athletic than the guy across from them, where

483
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Speaker 3: there's so much more talented, And that when they get

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Speaker 3: in the NFL and everybody's talented like that, that that's

485
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Speaker 3: when they get kind of a rude awakening of hey,

486
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Speaker 3: you've got to be a technician at this level. You've

487
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Speaker 3: got to start looking for advantages. How much of that

488
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Speaker 3: was a focus for you when you would bring up

489
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Speaker 3: defensive line through the college drinks, of like how much

490
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Speaker 3: of it felt like, Hey, the job is to win

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Speaker 3: and get my guys ready to win right now, while

492
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Speaker 3: also you know, potentially preparing them for what could be

493
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Speaker 3: next and making sure that they're prepared players going into

494
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Speaker 3: the NFL.

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Speaker 9: Well, the biggest thing is to teach them how to

496
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Speaker 9: play the game, because a lot of them in high

497
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Speaker 9: school they don't teach the same thing. They're going off

498
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Speaker 9: to athleticism. But as you get older and you're in

499
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Speaker 9: the NFL or college, you have to learn to use

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Speaker 9: your hands. You have to learn to see things through

501
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Speaker 9: their eyes and what they're seeing. I always ask them

502
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Speaker 9: what are you seeing? And make sure that they see

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Speaker 9: the same things I did. I had to teach him

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Speaker 9: that and make sure that they understood what we were

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Speaker 9: trying to accomplish and how we're trying to accomplish. And

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Speaker 9: then you got to give them energy. You got to

507
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Speaker 9: come in with energy because young players are gonna feed

508
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Speaker 9: off your energy. What me and Nato said With coach Landry,

509
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Speaker 9: he had that he was very, very rigid and what

510
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Speaker 9: they did to flex defense and the offense, and he

511
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Speaker 9: did all that, but Jimmy was high energy and that

512
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Speaker 9: just got you going. And the practices were tough and physical,

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Speaker 9: but you knew that you're going to go through a

514
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Speaker 9: grind and it wasn't gonna be long. They weren't long practices,

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Speaker 9: but they were fortified minutes.

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Speaker 3: Yep, Nate, do you remember early on nineteen eighty six,

517
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Speaker 3: when when you get here to Dallas and you're out

518
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Speaker 3: there practicing, do you remember some of the early practice

519
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Speaker 3: moments against Jim, Jeffcoat and oh man, how you handle those?

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Speaker 4: I didn't practice get Jim much because he's Stevens man,

521
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Speaker 4: but I'm Randy White, John Dunton, Guys like that, what's

522
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 4: us other tall gentleman name him? And yeah, all these

523
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Speaker 4: guys many Brooks, they followed behind Randy, and Randy was

524
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Speaker 4: gonna give it to you, bro. Oh, he was gonna

525
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Speaker 4: give it to you. And so he practiced every day

526
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Speaker 4: like it was his last day.

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Speaker 7: Man. We didn't even like the pre practice, so.

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Speaker 8: Uh, you you had to come to work. The only thing.

529
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Speaker 4: That kind of got me with with us, Jim Myers

530
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Speaker 4: was our offensive line coach. Blessed his hard. He's no

531
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Speaker 4: longer whistlers. But Jim was not a technician. He was smart,

532
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Speaker 4: but he didn't teach hands and technique and punching. And

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Speaker 4: you know that happened when Jim murkan back came. So

534
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Speaker 4: it was it was hell dealing with Randy because I

535
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Speaker 4: you know, I had that proper man blessed is hard.

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Speaker 3: Let's uh, let's go to break real quick when we

537
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Speaker 3: come back. We're gonna put the the coach, Jim Jeffcoe put.

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Speaker 5: His mind to youse.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have him analyze what he just saw this

540
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Speaker 3: power weekend against the San Francisco forty nine ers getting

541
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Speaker 3: Nates takes on it. I'm sure Nate's got a got

542
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Speaker 3: a lot of passionate thoughts about what occurred out there

543
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Speaker 3: on the field against the forty nine ers. That's next

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Speaker 3: on the SWBC Cowboys Cross Talk.

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Speaker 3: for joining us on one O five a fan dallascowboys

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Speaker 3: dot com and all the associated social media platforms.

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Speaker 5: I'm Bobby Belt from one five through the fan.

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Speaker 3: I'm joined tonight by my one O five through the

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Speaker 3: fan teammate, Alec Medford.

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Speaker 5: We're calling him big Al. Is that right, Nate? Is

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Speaker 5: that we're going with We're going with Big.

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Speaker 8: Al big As.

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Speaker 5: I like it, I'll take it.

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Speaker 7: Superstar Treck Runner.

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Speaker 3: Says, we've also got the three time Super Bowl champ,

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Speaker 3: six time Pro Bowler Nate Newton with us here tonight

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Speaker 3: and our guest this evening.

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Speaker 5: You just heard him there.

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Speaker 3: It is Jim Jeffcoat, the number two man all time

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Speaker 3: in sacks, just behind DeMarcus Ware, who broke that record

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Speaker 3: I believe in twenty twelve. But before we get into

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Speaker 3: the forty nine ers game, Uh, Jim, when you when

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Speaker 3: you saw that that day coming where DeMarcus Ware was

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Speaker 3: gonna pass you in Cowboys history and in sacks, was

575
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Speaker 3: there any part of you that was like a little

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Speaker 3: bit of pride? Its just like, hey, this is a

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Speaker 3: record that stood for a little while and to be

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Speaker 3: passed by somebody who it took a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 3: one of the greatest rushers of his generation to pass

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Speaker 3: my number, or was it still a little bit like that?

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Speaker 3: It would have been nice if that record would have

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Speaker 3: just held up for it.

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Speaker 9: I didn't really care about it, be honest with you.

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Speaker 9: I you know at some point, because if you remember,

585
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Speaker 9: Ed Jones had over one hundred sacks, they just didn't

586
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Speaker 9: counted Randy White and Harvey Martin, So you know that

587
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Speaker 9: was the thing. It didn't affect me in any way,

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Speaker 9: and it's just records.

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Speaker 7: It's just records.

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Speaker 3: So when we let's talk about records specifically three and four,

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Speaker 3: that is what the Dallas Cowboys are today. After a

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Speaker 3: game that was a little confusing against the forty nine

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Speaker 3: ers in terms of I think there were some things

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Speaker 3: that you could take out of this game that are

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Speaker 3: real positives. There was not you know, they didn't get

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Speaker 3: bullied the way that they have typically in some of

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Speaker 3: the other games against the forty nine ers. They they

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Speaker 3: really looked early on like they were, you know, playing

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Speaker 3: the run a lot more disciplined. San Francisco wasn't able

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Speaker 3: to take advantage of things with Jordan Mason. In fact,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't until Jordan Mason went out with an injury

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Speaker 3: and Isaac Garrendro came in that they started geting the

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Speaker 3: run game going a little bit in the second half,

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Speaker 3: but it's a game where the Cowboys ultimately fall short

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Speaker 3: thirty to twenty four. Jim, you watching that game on

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Speaker 3: Sunday night, what did you take away from that game?

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Speaker 3: Is a bigger picture thought for the the Cowboys out

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Speaker 3: of the by and with ten games left.

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Speaker 9: Well, the thing is is that they're giving effort and

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Speaker 9: at some positions. They might need more talent at it,

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Speaker 9: but they're trying. But the thing they have to do

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Speaker 9: is you got to anticipate some things. You have to

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Speaker 9: see it and understand how people are going to attack

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Speaker 9: you and where they're gonna attack you, and use what

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Speaker 9: you have and use that to help you get a

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Speaker 9: little better. I think the Cowboys are in a situation

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Speaker 9: me and Nate talked about it is that they got

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Speaker 9: to find some players that can make plays, and they

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Speaker 9: have it and Overshawan and some of a couple other guys,

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Speaker 9: but they got to find more and they got to

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Speaker 9: get healthy. They gotta get healthy.

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Speaker 3: Nate, I know you're always looking at those big boys

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Speaker 3: up front and the way that they're playing. I actually

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Speaker 3: felt really impressed with in general, the way Tyler Geiton battled.

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00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: I bet Cooper Bebe had a nice game. You know,

626
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Speaker 3: some of the twists and stunts that have given him problems.

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Speaker 3: He looked like he was you know, it didn't look

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Speaker 3: like there was a moment of panic the same way

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Speaker 3: it has on tape. Overall, obviously a disappointing performance from

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Speaker 3: the Cowboys offense until late where they're pushing things. But

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Speaker 3: how did you think the young guys performed coming out

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Speaker 3: of the bye week, and the outlook for them moving forward.

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Speaker 4: Just okay, I'm gonna continue to say this weekend we

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Speaker 4: guys and people go and be like, man, here you

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Speaker 4: go again.

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Speaker 8: But I'm talking about being successful.

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Speaker 4: We were leading and all of a sudden the forty

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Speaker 4: nine has come out and score, and we just abandoned

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Speaker 4: the run.

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Speaker 8: Why why?

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Speaker 4: Two things we could have done. If we could have

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Speaker 4: miss stayed stayed the course on the run, who would

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Speaker 4: have helped our defense? We got third and four and

644
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Speaker 4: fifteen ers on our front line. You're actioning these guys

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Speaker 4: like Jeff coach saying, we're asking guys that were on

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Speaker 4: practice squads to hold up against a physical forty nine

647
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Speaker 4: ers offensive line. And I knew that wasn't gonna happen,

648
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: but we didn't do anything offensively, you know, and they

649
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 4: started getting out to that a little bit better. So

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Speaker 4: it's just we have to be better, Coach McCarthy, he

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Speaker 4: has to be better. Yeah, you know, you can't. You

652
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Speaker 4: can't say we're gonna run the ball and then every week,

653
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: for some reason or another, you abandoned the run, you know.

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Speaker 4: So that was kind of disappointing. But to your question,

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Speaker 4: I think the young guys are getting better. Guidon has

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00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: to believe in his talents. Your arms are too long

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00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 4: and your feet are too good. Believe that what you're

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Speaker 4: doing in the weight room along with your technique, and

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Speaker 4: just continue to do this.

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Speaker 8: Do your job. Just do it man, Just go play go.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes you just got to free yourself.

662
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Speaker 10: You said, this team needs to get healthier, and especially

663
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 10: on the defensive line, you're missing your first, second, and

664
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Speaker 10: third edge rushers specifically, and you're talking about guys, as

665
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Speaker 10: Nate mentioned, practice, guys that are only suiting up in

666
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Speaker 10: Guardian caps and T shirts, you know, going against each

667
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Speaker 10: other and going against air. How tough is it not

668
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Speaker 10: having that vocal leader and that guy like a DeMarcus

669
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Speaker 10: Lawrence that has been there, done that that. You know,

670
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 10: it's great to have him in meetings, but you know

671
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 10: you need him there on the sideline to say here's

672
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Speaker 10: what I'm seeing and whatnot. That veteran presence has to

673
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Speaker 10: be huge.

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Speaker 5: Not having that.

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Speaker 9: It's very important because he's seen a lot of things

676
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Speaker 9: and he understands how they're going to attack you and

677
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 9: you can tell somebody how it's done. But if you

678
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 9: can show him how it is done, that is more beneficial.

679
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Speaker 3: You know, when we look at the performance in the

680
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Speaker 3: run game, it's it felt a little bit like the

681
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Speaker 3: run defense was more disciplined and was playing better, like

682
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Speaker 3: we talked about early in the game. And then you

683
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Speaker 3: look up at the end of the game and it's

684
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Speaker 3: give up two hundred and twenty rushing yards, and you

685
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Speaker 3: know it's it doesn't It's not much of a consolation

686
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Speaker 3: prize to say, well, it didn't feel like it, because

687
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: the reality it was two hundred twenty rushing yards and

688
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 3: you lost the football game in large part because of it. Jim,

689
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: when you look at the Cowboys defensive line, and obviously

690
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: they're down a lot of players on the edges, they're

691
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Speaker 3: not down on the interior. They're they're first team guys.

692
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Speaker 3: Ohso Diggi Zowa, Masi Smith, their first round pick last year.

693
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Speaker 5: They're in there.

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Speaker 3: How critical is it for you know, the Cowboys internally,

695
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: just players, coaches, whatever else to say, hey, well, we're hurt.

696
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Speaker 3: I can't have you lacking at all. You've got to

697
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Speaker 3: be playing at the level that you're expected to.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think what's happening is is that it's all

699
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 9: about phips, and especially in this era of football, everybody

700
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 9: spreads you out. And the linebackers don't understand the fips

701
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Speaker 9: because you say, these defensive linemen and they're not getting

702
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Speaker 9: off blocks fast enough. But a linebacker can always make

703
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 9: you right because he's moving and if I'm in there,

704
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 9: if he sees Machi Smith in the wrong gap, he

705
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 9: just goes one gap over and things like that make

706
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Speaker 9: the guys right. Norton and as we played with Darren

707
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Speaker 9: Smith and Nate talked about this before the show, is

708
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Speaker 9: this is what speed does. When you have fast guys.

709
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Speaker 9: If you're in the wrong gap, they're just gonna replace you.

710
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Speaker 9: They're gonna go either way. And that's the thing you

711
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 9: got to understand. And a lot of times you have

712
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Speaker 9: to meet with the linebackers and understand what they see

713
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 9: and what you see. The linebackers, the safeties, the defensive

714
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Speaker 9: line have to work together in the run defense to

715
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Speaker 9: make it successful.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's been said a lot about Mazzie

717
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: Smith that you know a lot of times it's the

718
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Speaker 3: the get off on the line for him that when

719
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Speaker 3: he's when he's getting out of his stance quickly and

720
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Speaker 3: he's getting into the chest the line, then he's he

721
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Speaker 3: generally wins the rep. And what happens is that when

722
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Speaker 3: he's slow out of the stance, he's the last one

723
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Speaker 3: and linemen are able to get their hands on him.

724
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Speaker 3: He gets in bad positions and he's you know, kind

725
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: of washed out of the you know, washed out of

726
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Speaker 3: the play as a not only a guy who was

727
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Speaker 3: a longtime veteran player who had a lot of success

728
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Speaker 3: rushing the passer, but also as a coach when it

729
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Speaker 3: comes to that get off. Is that something that that's

730
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Speaker 3: sort of just innate, it's a trait, or are there

731
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Speaker 3: things that Masie Smith can be doing in terms of

732
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: work he can be putting in to get better at

733
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Speaker 3: his snap anticipation.

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Speaker 9: You come out of your hips, your feet will foul

735
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Speaker 9: and you throw your hands, and you come out of

736
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Speaker 9: your hips because that's where your power's at. And you

737
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Speaker 9: bring your hands and they're there, you throw them, and

738
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Speaker 9: I mean, sometimes you're gonna be but the majority of

739
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 9: time you're going to be in the right position. You're

740
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 9: going to be in the right position. And that's what

741
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 9: he's got to learn. Come out of your hips. Because

742
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 9: he's a big guy, he's over three hundred and seven pounds.

743
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Speaker 9: Use that power to help his self become a better player.

744
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Speaker 9: Somebody's got to teach him that hips, hands and feet,

745
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 9: your feet will follow. Everything will foul.

746
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Speaker 3: Before we get to take a break and go to

747
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: the Atlanta game a little bit, Nate, I'm curious to

748
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 3: that end. I remember Tyler's talking about the difference between

749
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: playing garden tackle. Was that guard everything happens so much faster, Yes,

750
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: it's on you. How much of an advantage is that

751
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: for the opposing offensive line when they feel like man

752
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Speaker 3: in an area and of space where everything happens so

753
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: much faster.

754
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Speaker 5: This guy's not.

755
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Speaker 3: Getting off the ball quick, and I feel like I

756
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: can get into him and you know, get him out

757
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: of the play. How big an advantage do opposing offensive

758
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: lines probably.

759
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Speaker 8: Look at that inside? We love that we can get it.

760
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 4: Make our deuce blocks, our double team blocks easier to

761
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 4: slip up. You know, if a guy slow, like I said,

762
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 4: if you ain't throwing your hands and knocking me back,

763
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: jerking me or throwing me off balance a little bit,

764
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 4: I could just slip you, I could just douce block you.

765
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Speaker 4: And now that linebacker has to guess at that two

766
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 4: way goal because we got you called an advice. So

767
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 4: it's everything I told Jeff before the show. I'm like, man,

768
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm not one of those guys that I

769
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Speaker 4: like to go out and coach because I've never done it.

770
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Speaker 7: But you have.

771
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Speaker 4: So you know if you was to go say something

772
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Speaker 4: to him, you'll have an impact because you have coach.

773
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Speaker 9: Now.

774
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Speaker 4: I don't like guys just running out there just because

775
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 4: you was a great player that you're a great coach,

776
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But if you've worked with

777
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 4: players and you see something that you know, you're making

778
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: ads to the to the because he needs he needs help,

779
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 4: I mean, he needs to be reached somehow, some way.

780
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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially right now with you know, teams looking

782
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: like there's a vulnerability here that they can you know,

783
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: take advantage a lot of different things in the run game.

784
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Speaker 3: We're gonna come back here on the SLBBC Cowboys Crosstalk.

785
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: We're gonna take ahead a look ahead a little bit

786
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: to the Atlanta Falcons, a really dynamic offense. We're talking about,

787
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: you know, running game two really good running backs that

788
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: Dallas will be going up against when they travel to

789
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Speaker 3: Atlanta this weekend. We've got Jim Jeffcoat with us here.

790
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Speaker 3: We got one more second here on the SLBBC Cowboys

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Speaker 3: Cross Talk.

792
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Speaker 5: We will be right back wind.

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Speaker 6: Donations, Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: your next eventure. We are live from the Cowboys Club

801
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 3: at the Star in Frisco for the SLVBC Cowboys Cross Talk.

802
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Speaker 3: This is our final segment. We're gonna take a look

803
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: ahead at the Atlanta Falcons. I'm Bobby Belt from one

804
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: five to the fan, joined by Alec Medford from one

805
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: five through the fan six five. Yeah, soaking wet and

806
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: thirty five pounds Soco web for sure. We got Nate Newton,

807
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: the three time Super Bowl champions, six time Pro Bowler,

808
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: with us and our special guest this evening is uh what,

809
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 3: one of the most storied pass rushers in the history

810
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: of the Dallas cot was a former first round pick,

811
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Speaker 3: two times Super Bowl champ, and an accomplished coach as well.

812
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Speaker 3: Jim jeffcoach, Jim, thanks again for joining us. We appreciate,

813
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: appreciate your inside and uh we're we're gonna bar you

814
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 3: again here some of your coaching insight to take a

815
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: look ahead to this matchup with the Atlanta Falcons. Big

816
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: story of this offseason obviously was the move of Kirk

817
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: Cousins going from Minnesota to Atlanta, and they've started to

818
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: really click into place and have some success. There was

819
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 3: some questians early on first couple of weeks. People said, Okay,

820
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: his cousin's totally back from his injury. He looks really

821
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: comfortable now. The pass catchers look comfortable.

822
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Speaker 6: You know.

823
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: Kyle Pitts is is kind of clicking and coming into

824
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: his own reminds me a lot of the Vernon Davis

825
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 3: situation when Vernon Davis was coming out as a high

826
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: DRAFTI was considered the next one and it took three

827
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: or four years for him to finally click.

828
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Speaker 7: And make it.

829
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Speaker 8: Jackson left the Giants.

830
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Evan Ingram, Yeah, yeah, that same sort of thing.

831
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Speaker 7: And so both he.

832
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Speaker 3: Is he looked at the film, he is he is terrifying. Uh,

833
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 3: And so that they've got some really good players on offense.

834
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Speaker 3: They have struggled at times to stop the pass. On defense, Uh,

835
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Speaker 3: conservative defense doesn't blitz a lot, but tackles really well,

836
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 3: keeps everything in front of him. As we head into

837
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Speaker 3: this game, Jim, and we'll kind of go around the

838
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 3: room here get alec, Nate and Jim's thoughts on on

839
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: this game coming up. Jim, what are you looking at

840
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: as as the big X factor in the skin that

841
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: you're saying, Hey, this is this is where this game

842
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: will turn if Dallas does this well or does this poorly.

843
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 5: This is where this game turns.

844
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Speaker 9: If they can figure out how to slow down b

845
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 9: John Robinson and Drake London. Those two can take it

846
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 9: at any time. And that's scary because those are big

847
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 9: time players right there, and they're gonna have to do that,

848
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 9: and they play well as a team. Cousins doesn't do

849
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 9: too much. He's playing within their offense and that from

850
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 9: that standpoint on defense and their offense is gonna have

851
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 9: to control the ball. They're gonna have to shorten the game.

852
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 9: They can't go Nate has said this before, but they

853
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 9: can't give the Atlanta offense too many series.

854
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 7: You got to shorten the game.

855
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Nate.

856
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Speaker 3: You know, this is an Atlanta team that is last

857
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 3: in the NFL and pressure rate, they don't generate a lot.

858
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 3: It felt like the DAK and CD can actually was

859
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: starting to click a little bit at the end of

860
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Speaker 3: the game last week. Is that something where you feel like, hey,

861
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: there might be an opportunity for them to kind of

862
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: settle down, settle into their game a little bit. It's

863
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 3: not a team that blitzes very much. Is there an

864
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 3: opportunity here to gain some confidence for young offensive linemen

865
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Speaker 3: and get the passing game going in a more prolific way?

866
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Speaker 4: You know, I looked at that film and I'm saying

867
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Speaker 4: to myself, these guys are just average. They're running an

868
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Speaker 4: average defense. They don't do a lot of blitzing. They

869
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Speaker 4: don't do a lot of movement. Every now and then

870
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: you'll see him slant to the strength. They're not hard

871
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Speaker 4: to find.

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Speaker 8: It's not gonna be a lot of stuff that you

873
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Speaker 8: have to read.

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Speaker 4: They'll get back there and their coverages and they sit

875
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 4: remind me much of Green Bay last year, how they

876
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 4: just played Bland all. You know, and Roheem Mars is

877
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Speaker 4: a defensive mind to coach Jimmy Lakes is, you know,

878
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 4: a decent coordinator.

879
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 8: So I wonder if they plan just trying.

880
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 4: To get through the season because they have a high

881
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 4: powered offense, or are they guys just they don't have

882
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 4: it up front? They front seven is just average. The

883
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 4: Cowboys should come in this game and have some success

884
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 4: running the ball. Play actual pass should be big. They

885
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 4: got baits on the back of the other kid. They

886
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 4: got a nice secondary, but they six sacts. But they

887
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 4: do have seven to seven interceptions. So if you put

888
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 4: it up the wrong they'll get it. And they just

889
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 4: play just good enough, you know, to keep their offense.

890
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 8: They keep the keep it. It's like they keeping their

891
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 8: offense in the game.

892
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 4: They get a turnover here, get off the field at

893
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: the right time because they giving up like thirty.

894
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 8: Nine or forty third down. That's unheard of a defense

895
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 8: giving up that much.

896
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 4: But somehow, somewhere they just play just hard enough, just

897
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: smart enough to help their offense win the game.

898
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 10: A really young pass rush here in Dallas against a

899
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 10: veteran quarterback and Kirk Cousins who will make you pay

900
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 10: if you make mistakes defensively. If you're in that meeting

901
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 10: room right before the game, what are you preaching defensively

902
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 10: to your guys to make sure that you can eliminate

903
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 10: the big play is.

904
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 9: First of all, I'm telling these ends get on the

905
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 9: edge because I'm seeing too many guys getting stuck in

906
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 9: the middle. And then I'm telling you that the interior

907
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 9: guys to get pressure up the middle and get your

908
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 9: hands up it. If you don't get there, get your

909
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 9: hands up against Cousins. Because Cousins is not going to

910
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 9: run the ball. We all know that, but he is

911
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 9: accurate and you got to make sure you gotta disrupt him.

912
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 9: That's the big thing. Let those ends get on the edges.

913
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 9: If you get too high, come back downhill and get

914
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 9: people in front of him so he doesn't have a

915
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 9: free look at the passing lanes.

916
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 3: You know, there's the George Kittle really made Dallas pay

917
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 3: last weekend, and you Donovan Wilson that was not an

918
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: effective matchup for them with Kyle Pitts. Here, guys, I'm curious,

919
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 3: how do you look at what's the ideal matchup defensively?

920
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 3: Where do you hope you can kind of slow him

921
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: down with what a certain defend. Is there anybody in

922
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: mind that you think, hey, this is my best shot

923
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: match him up here.

924
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 8: No, I'm ben yeh.

925
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 4: See when you don't have elite, an elite player on

926
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 4: every level, this is what happens to you.

927
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 8: You get exposed.

928
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 4: You name any guy, the guy that should get the

929
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 4: shot at it is Mark heath Bell. He should get

930
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 4: a shot at this guy. Are they Are they gonna

931
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 4: do that? See, I'll coach them. Is too slow to

932
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 4: move you You you had an eight man box. If

933
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 4: that guy came up, kill kill kill called to play,

934
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 4: ran the tight end right at Donovan. You know Donovan

935
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 4: can't cover him. That is not his strong too. His

936
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 4: strong suits coming downhill fill in the gap. And the

937
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 4: more he can do that, his game just get tremendous.

938
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 4: But the less he does that, you you exposed this guy.

939
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 4: That was unfair to him. After the second time, that's

940
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 4: very much unfair.

941
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 8: So you come into the game.

942
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 4: I seen Kyle Pitts actually on film check a defensive line,

943
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 4: I mean check him, stop him cold and go into

944
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 4: a route. Three times we bro, you know how hard

945
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 4: it is for a tight end and be effective in

946
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 4: his route. He stops d Lineman Cole and go into

947
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 4: his route. And I'm looking at safeties, hardcore safeties. Make

948
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 4: business decisions on how they gonna tackle this.

949
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 8: Dude, this is a man full grown.

950
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 4: Now we asking our guy who's not the elite cover

951
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 4: guy to stop this.

952
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 9: Come on, man, and you make a good point because

953
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 9: the coach's responsibility is to put the player in position.

954
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 7: To be successful.

955
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 9: Yes, that is a coach's responsibility. If that's not happening,

956
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 9: then either you gotta get a different player. You gotta

957
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 9: get a different coach. That's just to be out there.

958
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 4: And I love Zim. Zim is my guy. Man, Zim

959
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 4: is my guy. But that that was not fair last week.

960
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 9: See then you look at it too, and that's not

961
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 9: a knock against them, right, but dan Quinn had basically

962
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 9: the same players and he didn't have the injuries. Yes,

963
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 9: but you gotta be honest with you gotta put players

964
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 9: in position. What do they do best, because that's gonna

965
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 9: show up. How can they play this? We gotta figure

966
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 9: out what these players do best and how can we

967
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 9: get them to be Effectiam.

968
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 8: Johnson was a master Yep.

969
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely all right, just hearing little under ninety seconds remaining.

970
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 3: Let's go down the line here, quick picks for the game, Alec,

971
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 3: and then we'll finish up with Jim.

972
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 5: We'll go to the line. But Alec, what are you

973
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 5: looking at in this game?

974
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 10: I hate to say it, but I think it's gonna

975
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 10: be twenty eight to seventeen Atlanta here. I think they're

976
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 10: gonna run the ball to effectively to stop Nate.

977
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 5: What you got I got?

978
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 9: He wanted me to go first. Okay, I got twenty

979
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 9: seven to twenty Cowboys.

980
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 5: There we go, Nate, what you got.

981
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 4: We'll get them by the skin of it. If we

982
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 4: can run the ball, We'll get them by the skin.

983
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 4: We can't run the ball.

984
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 3: I mean you showed some effectiveness last week. Yeah, that

985
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: the you know, the touchdown drive you showed. Zeke was

986
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 3: able to run the ball in that first app they got,

987
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 3: had some success, converted a couple third downs. Definitely gonna

988
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 3: need a little bit more of that because they're gonna

989
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 3: challenge you there in Atlanta, not with just with Fijon Robbinson,

990
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: but also you know Algier and what they get with

991
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 3: Darnell Mooney and the slot Coyle, but a lot of

992
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: a lot of great playmakers there in Atlanta. Dallas laught

993
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: to contn with Jim Jeffko thank you so much for

994
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 3: joining us. We appreciate it. Fantastic work from Jim and

995
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: I and fantastic work got a broom Alec Bedford and Nate.

996
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, the six to five Alec Bedford exactly. Thank you

997
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Speaker 5: so much.

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