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Speaker 1: with your friends. It is Wednesday, April fifteenth, and your

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Speaker 1: president is a motherfucking dictator. Yeah, I know. Pause for shock.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday you had several governors because essentially they have all

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Speaker 1: become regional presidents because we don't have one. We've had

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Speaker 1: governors in the West, working and creating a coordinated effort

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Speaker 1: to figure out how and when we begin to reopen.

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Speaker 1: Now here's what we know to be true right at

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Speaker 1: this stage of COVID, which is that one the United

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Speaker 1: States as a whole has surpassed a death toll of

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Speaker 1: twenty five thousand roughly in one day. In one day,

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Speaker 1: more than fifteen hundred Americans died, and the coronavirus cases

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Speaker 1: have increased by more than twenty six thousand, five hundred

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Speaker 1: infections in the United States to six hundred and four thousand,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy. Death tolls in New York have

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Speaker 1: the time this show is done, that number will increase.

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Speaker 1: And I think that what is mostly troubling is having

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Speaker 1: and recognizing that those are people. They are loved ones,

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Speaker 1: They are friends. They are mother's, father's uncles, aunt's grandparents, schoolteachers, doctors, nurses,

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Speaker 1: grocery store clerks, subway operators, bus drivers. They are people

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Speaker 1: who are losing their lives to the coronavirus. They are

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Speaker 1: losing their lives at breakneck pace because we have a

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Speaker 1: dysfunctional government. When pressed this week by a reporter about

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Speaker 1: the slowness to respond, when pressed, Donald Trump did what

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Speaker 1: We've seen him go after Yamish Alisendor many times. He

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Speaker 1: look like? Quantify that for us, roll it out for us,

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Speaker 1: ever known, he is lying to your face. You know. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: million people have applied for unemployment. Right, you have CEOs

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Speaker 1: up with some fancy campaign, some fancy social media strategy. No,

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Speaker 1: so happy to welcome back to Woke Affidaily friend of

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Speaker 1: the show, Jonathan Metzel, author of Dying of whiteness, Jonathan.

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Speaker 1: So we have a new committee apparently, or maybe we don't.

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Speaker 1: It's so hard to keep track of what is backtracked

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Speaker 1: So this is a vitally important moment, at a moment

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of reasons why. That's why that's

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Speaker 1: not happening. Let me ask you. You know, I've been

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Speaker 1: talking to a lot of people each week, and you

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Speaker 1: know the majority of folks say, no one wakes up

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Speaker 1: to the election right until October. Like those of us

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Speaker 1: whose work this is and you follow it and you

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Speaker 1: report on it and you discuss it. Folks in general

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Speaker 1: don't wake up until October. Now that we are all home,

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Speaker 1: but many people are on you know, working from home,

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Speaker 1: trying to rear children, educate them from home, trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out how they're going to pay their mortgages, their rents.

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Speaker 1: There are so many other life and death distractions right

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Speaker 1: that are real, that are genuine. It's not just about

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Speaker 1: preoccupation or laziness or disinterest. How do we corral people?

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Speaker 1: What do you think is the best way? Because we're

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Speaker 1: so bifurcated, because our news is so siloed, because we

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Speaker 1: know that even in the midst of this, people are

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Speaker 1: dying because they're getting wrong information. Right, people are still

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Speaker 1: gathering together depending on what states and cities they live

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Speaker 1: in and who is leading those places. So how do

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Speaker 1: we corral people? You think in this moment, because honestly,

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Speaker 1: you know your book is entitled Dying of whiteness, which

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Speaker 1: to me is essentially dying of ignorance. Right, Like I

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Speaker 1: will cut my nose despite my face. I will vote

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Speaker 1: for people who are not in my best interest, right

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Speaker 1: as long as I preserve this thing that I think

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Speaker 1: gives me more currency in the world. Well, you know, definitely.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my book is dying of whiteness, and now

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Speaker 1: of whiteness on steroids. You know that these ideas are

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Speaker 1: I think my argument was that people will make it

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Speaker 1: if they feel like, um, their their privilege is being threatened,

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Speaker 1: often by immigrants from minorities. There's no there's no ends

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Speaker 1: that bad decisions people will make. Um. But in terms

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Speaker 1: of your question of strategy, you know which I think

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Speaker 1: Number one, it's important to note just how centrally Trump

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Speaker 1: has sees the pulpit, the bully pulpit right now, um,

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Speaker 1: And to figure out other ways of getting the word out.

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Speaker 1: I think that democratizing just the I don't. I don't,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, I do watch the press briefings. I

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Speaker 1: just think it's important to know what's what's going on

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Speaker 1: just so that I can critique it or support it

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Speaker 1: if it's something I support. But it's also that this,

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Speaker 1: you know, figure out another way to the center the news,

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Speaker 1: which is hard with a guy like Trump. But the

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Speaker 1: other part is I really think there need to be

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Speaker 1: strategies for talking to people who we don't agree with.

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Speaker 1: If you look on Fox News, for example, this morning,

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Speaker 1: and the main stories are about decades old sexual assault

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Speaker 1: claims that they're saying or against Joe Biden. It's like

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Speaker 1: the untold story of Biden's sexual assaults, and so people

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Speaker 1: just aren't hearing a particular kind of news. And so

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Speaker 1: to vote on our side. But I do think we

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Speaker 1: need much better strategies for how to reach out to

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Speaker 1: other people that are tied to not just like you

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Speaker 1: also really try to figure out ways. You know, in

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Speaker 1: were just trying to get by, and they were using

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Speaker 1: the frameworks that were you know, they're familiar frameworks about

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Speaker 1: do think it's very very important right now, UM for

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Speaker 1: Democrats to develop much better strategies for UM fighting back

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Speaker 1: against polarization, not just fighting back against Trump, but actually

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Speaker 1: figure out ways to appeal to Trump's quote unquote base,

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Speaker 1: not the you know, far aest part. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are a number of people and I can give

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Speaker 1: you examples from before the pandemic, but for example, the

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Speaker 1: Kentucky gubernatorial election, the Louisiana, the Louisiana Gubert royal election,

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Speaker 1: Democrats won in previously read states UM with with with

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Speaker 1: And so it's I just personally feel like, as much

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Speaker 1: as it's clear we're on losing ground if we say

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Speaker 1: I think I think that Kentucky election was a great,

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Speaker 1: great blueprint to say we're going to give you healthcare.

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Speaker 1: We didn't call it Obamacare. We didn't call it Medicare

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Speaker 1: for All, we didn't call it anything that was already labeled.

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Speaker 1: But it was kind of like, we're going to here's

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Speaker 1: what we're going to do for you. And it was

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Speaker 1: very hard for the Trump came in and tried to

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Speaker 1: try to reverse the tide and couldn't do it. And

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Speaker 1: so I think the answer is honestly to to as

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Speaker 1: much as possible address people's concerns. I think in the

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Speaker 1: long run that'll be a better strategy than m than

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Speaker 1: than than you know, critiquing people. But I would also

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Speaker 1: say that it's very hard when these provocations with Trump,

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Speaker 1: you know, with with every every single day, it just

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Speaker 1: gets more big, it gets worse, um and the stakes

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Speaker 1: back again against that as well. The stakes are indeed

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Speaker 1: incredibly incredibly high. Jonathan Metzel, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: making a weekly appearance on woke F Daily to lend

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Speaker 1: some insight and some much needed thought to what is

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Speaker 1: unfolding right now in America, because you know, I do.

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Speaker 1: I think that your your book M Dying of Whiteness

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Speaker 1: was just right on time and every and with every

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Speaker 1: headline there's like a piece that I can pick out

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Speaker 1: and say, yeah, Jonathan discussed this. Yeah, that's that's why

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Speaker 1: we're here. UM. So I really I continue to appreciate

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Speaker 1: your work and um and you joining to chat with us.

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Speaker 1: It's honestly the highlight of our week. So thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, appreciate you. Excited to welcome back to woke

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Speaker 1: F Daily Hour one of our regular contributors and MSNBC

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Speaker 1: Morning Joe contributor Kurt Bardella. Kurt, my goodness. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're talking once a week these days, which makes me

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Speaker 1: so happy because I, you know, after I get off

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Speaker 1: of our calls, I don't want to jump out the window.

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Speaker 1: But apparently we live in a dictatorship now. Yesterday Trump

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Speaker 1: announced that he alone has all authority over all of

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Speaker 1: the states, over everyone, and apparently the Constitution might have

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Speaker 1: caught the coronavirus and it's now on a ventilator. Given

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Speaker 1: Trump's statements, what do you make of that? Being as

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Speaker 1: how the foundation of Republican you know, ideology and theory

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Speaker 1: has been the federal government is too big and states

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Speaker 1: need more power. You know, all I could think about

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Speaker 1: was imagine for a second how Republicans and Congress would

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Speaker 1: have reacted to this dictatorial declaration if Barack Obama had

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Speaker 1: said it. It's really not a hard thing to do,

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Speaker 1: because Republicans spent the entirety of the Obama presidency expressing

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Speaker 1: their outrage over his use of executive power. They would

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Speaker 1: cast the President Obama as a lawless, emperor like figure,

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Speaker 1: and doing so was really a centerpiece of the Republic's

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Speaker 1: reatagey to hold on to connors. It got to a

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Speaker 1: point where I remember the House Judiciary Committee, when they

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Speaker 1: to examine Obama's quote, executive overreach that they made Congressman

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Speaker 1: Cife King, that racist from Iowa, the chairman of You know,

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Speaker 1: there are quotes that you can find that just really

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Speaker 1: illustrate the hypocrisy that's at work right now. I remember

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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz back in twenty fourteen, wrote this column for

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Speaker 1: Politico magazine, the headline of which was Obama is not

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Speaker 1: a monarch. And he would go on about his lawlessness,

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Speaker 1: how he's unconstitutional, how he is quote defiant and angry

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Speaker 1: at the American people. And I think about things like

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Speaker 1: that now and they're like, where did where did that

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Speaker 1: guy go. Where did that Ted cruise go? The Ted

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Speaker 1: Cruise who said a presidential temper tantrum is not an

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Speaker 1: acceptable means of discourse. When I think about people like

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Speaker 1: Mark Meadows, who's now the President's chief of staff in

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Speaker 1: that President Obama head quote, declared war on Congress and

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Speaker 1: the American people by trying to bypass Congress and their will,

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Speaker 1: that an executive order should not be used to advance

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Speaker 1: an agenda without Congress's approval. And so we hear President

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Speaker 1: Trump yesterday saying his authority is total, that when you're

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Speaker 1: not you know, the entire Republican orthodoxy has been built

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Speaker 1: on the idea that big government is bad, that government

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Speaker 1: powers dangerous, that local and state control and state sovereignty

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Speaker 1: is crucial. And yet here you have President Trump stopping

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Speaker 1: on all of that, declaring himself effectively a dictator, and

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Speaker 1: Republicans are nowhere to be seen. I just, you know,

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Speaker 1: it is just so I find it so deeply troubling

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Speaker 1: but also illuminating. I don't know how much more light

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Speaker 1: people need to have reflected on Republicans where they are

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Speaker 1: and what they're doing right now for them to see

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Speaker 1: the staunch difference in the choice that is presented to

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Speaker 1: them for November. Right, we have a president that received

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Speaker 1: refuted science, and because of that, tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: messages that are dated that show us that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: and the Trump administration had this time to do the

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Speaker 1: right thing now in the midst Right, a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks in, Donald Trump said to report as those very

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Speaker 1: same reporters who he told yesterday that he has total

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Speaker 1: and complete authority over all of the states. He told

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Speaker 1: So is it that the buck stops with him, as

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Speaker 1: Truman told us, or is it that I don't take

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Speaker 1: responsibility for anything? Is it that I alone can reopen

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Speaker 1: the government? But I also wasn't responsible for why millions

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Speaker 1: of Americans are sheltered in place right now. That is

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Speaker 1: because of their governors. You know, it's such typical Trump

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Speaker 1: and I go back to something that we've talked about before,

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Speaker 1: in the same briefing he'll he'll declare his autonomy and authority,

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Speaker 1: I do think that we're this is such an interesting

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Speaker 1: President Obama is expected to do so he has he

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Speaker 1: has done so. Um yeah, he has done so today already. Um.

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Speaker 1: Which I'm trying to so you have so you have

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Speaker 1: one on one hand, and unhinged, deranged lunatic who wouldn't

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Speaker 1: And on the other a return to what responsible governance

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Speaker 1: will look like, a return to what civility and decency

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Speaker 1: looks like. You know, Vice President Biden, matter what you

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Speaker 1: think of his politics, no matter what you think about

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Speaker 1: medicure for all or college tuition, or a Green New

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Speaker 1: Deal or any specific public policy issue, I think everybody

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Speaker 1: across the spectrum acknowledged that Joe Biden is a decent guy,

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Speaker 1: that he is someone with integrity, he is sincere, and

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Speaker 1: that he is, you know, someone who cares about facts

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Speaker 1: and truth. And the longer that this goes on, I

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Speaker 1: think that the contrast that we will see between how

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Speaker 1: Biden conducts himself and how Trump is conducting himself. I

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00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: think Trump is just going to talk himself right out

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Speaker 1: of office, honestly, But will he kurt Because like when

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Speaker 1: you say things like that, I want to believe you, right,

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Speaker 1: But then I look at the polls and I know

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Speaker 1: that forty of Americans still completely believe Trump and back

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Speaker 1: him right. And you know, when I saw today again

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Speaker 1: President Obama earlier, and you know it's it's it's just

657
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Speaker 1: picking up pace now. Endorsed Joe Biden, but he did

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Speaker 1: so Kurt in this way where he didn't mention Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump at one time. But what he did remind people

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Speaker 1: of is that in the midst of a global pandemic,

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Speaker 1: Republicans are trying to take away your healthcare in the

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Speaker 1: midst of all of this. Like, here's what we do

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Speaker 1: know when things are stripped away, what matters. Elections matter.

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Speaker 1: Decency and honesty and transparency by your elected officials matter. Right,

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Speaker 1: Like he went through and said, let's not continue to

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Speaker 1: look back behind us at the campaign that I ran

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, because if I was running today,

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Speaker 1: it would be a different campaign. He embraced progressive measures.

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Speaker 1: He hailed Bernie Sanders for creating a vision of America

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Speaker 1: that inspired young people right, creating ambition and ideas that

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Speaker 1: would propel us forward in the twenty first century. And

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Speaker 1: he talked about forward momentum. He also talked about Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden surrounding himself with experts, scientists, military officials. He listed

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Speaker 1: them out to remind us of all of the people

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Speaker 1: who have either been fired or have run screaming from

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Speaker 1: the Trump White House. You know now that ye Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like now that it is official right

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Speaker 1: in that Joe Biden is the Democratic nominee, That this

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Speaker 1: is Barack Obama's first foray back into politics. Right with this,

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Speaker 1: with this video announcement, will we see some changes in

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Speaker 1: tone and appetite from Democrats to take on Trump in

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Speaker 1: the midst of this pandemic because his mishandlings and his

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00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: misdealings every single day are costing more lives. You know,

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Speaker 1: My sense is, and this is such a it's an

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Speaker 1: unprecedented and delicate political situation because on one hand, you

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Speaker 1: certainly don't want to look like you're overtly politicizing an ongoing,

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Speaker 1: real time crisis and not make light of the people

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Speaker 1: who who are you scared for their family, scared for

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Speaker 1: their health, people who are grieving for people that they

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Speaker 1: have lost. And the rally being that we're still just

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Speaker 1: getting to the front of this. Uh that that that

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Speaker 1: it is yet to take hold of throughout what the

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Speaker 1: entire country is going to experience as this some are

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Speaker 1: kind of unfolds. I think that President Obama is right

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00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: and the Body campaign was right to roll out his

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Speaker 1: support where the focus was on the vice president and

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Speaker 1: not Donald Trump. There's going to be plenty of time

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Speaker 1: to make that contrast directly with Trump, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think that the Body campaign will be shy to do so.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that there are lessons to be

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Speaker 1: learned from the twenty sixteen campaign too, and that the

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Speaker 1: one thing that may know is when it's all about

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And I'll say, Pete Bodichage, I thought always

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Speaker 1: talk about this in the most articulate way that if

705
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: this election is only about Donald Trump, uh, that's not

706
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Speaker 1: going to be enough to get people to come out

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Speaker 1: vote and change the channel from Trump. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, you know, Democrats have got to define

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Speaker 1: what they are for what they will to do with

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Speaker 1: American people. Um. It is not enough. And we've seen

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Speaker 1: this time again. It is not enough to be against somebody.

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Speaker 1: Uh and and and and for nothing if you will, Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know when John Kerry lost President Bush and two

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Speaker 1: thousand and four cycle that it was in part because

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Speaker 1: being anti Brush or anti the warrant here that that

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Speaker 1: just wasn't enough because ultimately people still didn't know what

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Speaker 1: a John Carey presidency would mean for them. Similarly, Mitt Romney,

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Speaker 1: you know, his campaign was more about being anti Obama

719
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Speaker 1: than about what his agenda would actually do for the

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Speaker 1: American people. You know, we have got to make sure,

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Speaker 1: as Democrats, and I say this as a new Democrat,

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Speaker 1: that we articulate how we're going to make people's lives better.

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Speaker 1: And this is something that particularly right now, where people

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Speaker 1: are out of work, where people don't know how they're

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00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: going to pay rent or buy groceries or kit toilet paper,

726
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: people care about what these things mean to them as

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Speaker 1: terrifying to me, as Trump's rhetoric is, the average person

728
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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily believe that the bombastic things he says or

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Speaker 1: the insane things he tweets actually impacts their day lives

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Speaker 1: on any real level. So Democrats have got to talk

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Speaker 1: about how their vision for this country will make the

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Speaker 1: average person's life better. If you spend if we spend

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Speaker 1: all of our time relitigating the horrible and outrageous things

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is done. First of all, there's just

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Speaker 1: not enough time of the day do that. There's too

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Speaker 1: many things that he has done that are that are

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Speaker 1: beyond the scope of reality. Uh, you know, we cannot

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Speaker 1: make all of our attention about Donald Trump, because that's

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Speaker 1: how he wins. Frankly, if this is only about the

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Speaker 1: Trump Show, he knows that he can win, because that's

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Speaker 1: what happened in twenty sixteen. You know, Kurt, we're in media, right,

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Speaker 1: and you and I try and use our platforms for good,

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Speaker 1: right to spread truth, to empower people, and to bring

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Speaker 1: attention to what they need to care about, right, to

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00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: make these thoughtful decisions about leadership and about who is

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Speaker 1: representing them. Media is still in this moment not doing

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Speaker 1: a good job. Still in this moment. You know, you

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00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier covering these press conferences that aren't press conferences,

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00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: they're not briefings. There are many Trump rallies. So you know,

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Speaker 1: while we don't want to continue our focus on Trump

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Speaker 1: and instead focus on what it is Democrats are offering,

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Speaker 1: how do we move around this media who still has

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Speaker 1: their channel stuck on Trump and are not doing the

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Speaker 1: work to push back against his lies and the danger

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Speaker 1: that he is causing in any real way. Yesterday, I

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Speaker 1: will say that several chirns that CNN was running were

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Speaker 1: finally on point. They were finally showing right in black

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Speaker 1: and white on the ticker that Donald Trump is unhinged.

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Speaker 1: That about the media in years, honestly right. And I

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Speaker 1: think when you look at how I think the media

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Speaker 1: needs to evolve what we saw yesterday within real time, Uh,

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Speaker 1: some of the cable news channels effectively using their screens

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Speaker 1: as as real time fact checks and and setting context

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Speaker 1: for what was happening. I think we're that that needs

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Speaker 1: to be the normal now, that needs to be the

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Speaker 1: standard if you're going to broadcast Donald Trump, and certainly

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Speaker 1: you have to broadcast some of it, he is the president.

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Speaker 1: I get that, but there needs to be some real

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Speaker 1: time contact setting accountability mechanisms that the media is using. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not enough to air what he says and

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Speaker 1: then after doing analysis segment with commentators like us saying

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Speaker 1: what was right, what was wrong? Um, you know, we

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Speaker 1: need in real time to people who are watching to

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Speaker 1: see every time that this president says something that's not true,

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Speaker 1: that is questionable, that is dangerous, that needs to be identified.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know. And that's that's not being political biased,

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Speaker 1: that's not being anti Trump. That's just that's just being responsible,

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Speaker 1: which is the fundamental job of journalism. Is to just

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Speaker 1: tell the truth and report accurate context for what these

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Speaker 1: things means the American people. And when the president says,

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Speaker 1: you know that he has total authority, that's a dictatorial statement.

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Speaker 1: That's something that we would expect from from Putin or

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Speaker 1: from Kim Jong Oon, right. And so if he's going

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Speaker 1: to say dictorial things, and we need to call them

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Speaker 1: what they are, which is dictatorial, people at home can

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Speaker 1: decide whether they like that or not. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: if if you are a voter in this country and

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Speaker 1: you have no problem with Donald Trump being your dictator,

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Speaker 1: you are perfectly allowed to think that way. But we

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Speaker 1: got to call it what it is and be honest

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Speaker 1: about that. I think that that's right that we have

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Speaker 1: to call it what it is and be honest about that.

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Speaker 1: What do you think now that Bernie Sanders has endorsed

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Former President Barack Obama has now endorsed Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: In your opinion, what is Joe Biden's next move? What

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Speaker 1: is his campaign next move? I think that because everything

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Speaker 1: right now was focused on coronavirus, the response as well

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Speaker 1: as what we do once we get through this, The

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Speaker 1: reality is whoever wins this election, is still going to

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Speaker 1: have to be able to fall out from what we're

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Speaker 1: going through right now. And I think people want to

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Speaker 1: know what does that mean? What are you going to do?

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Speaker 1: How are we going to get back on track, how

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Speaker 1: we're going to recover the losses that we've all absorbed

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Speaker 1: right now? And also how are we going to ensure

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Speaker 1: that this doesn't happen again, because by all accounts, it

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Speaker 1: seems like a very real possibility that even if we

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Speaker 1: get through this first wave for coronavirus, that it can

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Speaker 1: come back. We're seeing it come back in other countries

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Speaker 1: that got through their first way, and so I think that, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know what I want to hear from whoever he's

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Speaker 1: going to leave us forward is what what are we

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Speaker 1: going to do? What is their plan? Um? You know,

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Speaker 1: what we know about Donald Trump is that's he's long

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Speaker 1: on rhetoric and short on specifics, and anytime he's pressed

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00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: for specifics, he attacks the reporter who asks who dares

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Speaker 1: to ask him, what are you going to do about this?

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Speaker 1: I think that the best thing that Vice President of

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Speaker 1: Biding can do is put forward an image of competency,

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Speaker 1: uh that you know, the sense that he is up

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Speaker 1: for this job, and that he is going to that

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Speaker 1: he has a plan. I mean again, one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I like most about Elizabeth Warren when she

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Speaker 1: was running was the level of detail on almost every

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Speaker 1: issue that you can think of that she forward for

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Speaker 1: the public to consume. And I think that when it

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Speaker 1: comes to this current situation, Vice President Biden would be

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Speaker 1: wise to kind of adopted Elizabeth Warren. I have a

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Speaker 1: plan for everything when it comes to dealing with this

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Speaker 1: coronavirus wor it comes to healthcare, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the economy and jobs and living wages and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: how people are going to afford their homes. Like every

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Speaker 1: issue that we litigate in elections is people are experiencing

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Speaker 1: in real time right now. If you haven't had a

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Speaker 1: living wage up to this point, you are being hurt

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Speaker 1: three times harder than anybody else during this crisis. If

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Speaker 1: you don't have affordable care right now, or if you're

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Speaker 1: worried about having this president takeaway your healthcare plan by

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Speaker 1: challenging Obamacare in reports, well, how is that going to

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Speaker 1: play out in the midst of an epidemic, when when

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Speaker 1: people are going to hospitals and trying to get care,

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Speaker 1: trying to get tested, you know if you are, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're seeing African Americans are being hit harder by this

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Speaker 1: than any other demographic. Uh. You know the issue of

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Speaker 1: income and equality and social injustice is at play right now,

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Speaker 1: and we're seeing the causality and the consequences of our

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Speaker 1: of our inability to address those issues head on. They're now,

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Speaker 1: they're they're not coming up in our in our in

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Speaker 1: our hospitals, and people are dying because of it. All

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Speaker 1: of those issues are things that the Vice presient by

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Speaker 1: needs to address, and I think that if he can

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Speaker 1: do that substantively and realistically and genuinely, he can put

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Speaker 1: together the coalition needed to win in November. Last question

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Speaker 1: for you, just on your speaking of coalitions being put together.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday there were machinations of this Reopen America committee that

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Speaker 1: were being floated and then there was, I guess a

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Speaker 1: retreat from the administration on some of the names that

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Speaker 1: had been floated or said that they were going to

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Speaker 1: be on this committee, namely Avanka Trump, Jared Kushner, Larry Cudlow,

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Speaker 1: Wilbur Ross, Steve Mnuchin, not one doctor, not not one scientist, uh,

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Speaker 1: just all greedy um millionaires who are hell bent on

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Speaker 1: quote unquote reopening and reopening America without providing safety for

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Speaker 1: American workers. What did you think about that, that this

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Speaker 1: whole tap dance that happened and then, oh, that's not

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Speaker 1: the committee. And also those announcements came after both the

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Speaker 1: West Coast and Northeast had already announced their plans on

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Speaker 1: working together in their in their tri state areas to

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Speaker 1: ensure a cohesive and collaborative reopening in those regions. You know,

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Speaker 1: it just was another illustration that this present has no

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Speaker 1: earthly idea what he's doing and how he's willing to

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Speaker 1: let politics dictate his decision making during a public health crisis.

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Speaker 1: The idea that that Larry Cuddlow because your rocker Trump,

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Speaker 1: should have any role in deciding what happens next is dangerous. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, the only people that we should be listening

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Speaker 1: to it right now are our health our medical health professionals.

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Speaker 1: The fact that the President retweeted a tweet that had

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Speaker 1: the hashtag you know fire know Faushi is nuts. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know we The first thing that Donald Trump could

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Speaker 1: do to make sure that he loses is if he

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Speaker 1: reopens America too soon, people go out there and then

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Speaker 1: they get sick and die, that'll be game over if

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Speaker 1: he actually does that. And it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: where the irony of it is in his best interests

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Speaker 1: politically as as just a human being to listen to

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Speaker 1: the experts right now and doing anything, but that puts

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Speaker 1: him in perilous political jeopardy. And I think that when

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Speaker 1: he announced the the Economic Committee yesterday and got so

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Speaker 1: much backlash, I think even Republicans were telling him this

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Speaker 1: is a terrible idea, you know, and they quickly retreated

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Speaker 1: from that. It just showed that again he is just

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Speaker 1: so out of touch with what's going on. And it's

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Speaker 1: really it's ironic because it's his biggest supporters, his propaganda machine,

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Speaker 1: Fox News machine, that by doing what they're doing every day,

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Speaker 1: they're keeping him uninformed and they're keeping him out of

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Speaker 1: touch with what's going on, and that's what's going to

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Speaker 1: cost him. If they were actually reporting the real situation

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Speaker 1: on the ground and how this is playing out, he

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Speaker 1: would make better decisions in theory, and those decisions would

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Speaker 1: benefit him politically in the long run. But by staying

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Speaker 1: in this crazy kind of circular firing squad of get

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Speaker 1: him Fox News, you know, and that propaganda media, and

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Speaker 1: that's the only lens of which he's viewing the world.

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Speaker 1: He's actually doing things or just hurting himself, and he

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Speaker 1: is setting himself up I think to have a significant

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Speaker 1: backlash because what we know about Trump is if there

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Speaker 1: is a bad decision to make, he will he will

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Speaker 1: make it. And I think that the difference now is

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Speaker 1: people's lives are actually at stake and people are going

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Speaker 1: to die because of those bad decisions. And that's something

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Speaker 1: that when that happens to you, you're you're not going

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Speaker 1: to forgive him for that. You're not going to vote

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Speaker 1: for him because of that. I mean, from your lips

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Speaker 1: to God's ears. Kurt Barbella, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining Woke a F Daily and providing your insights on

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Speaker 1: what is just a never ending story. Then never I'll

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Speaker 1: it's like therapy for me talking to you. Yes, same same,

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Speaker 1: I look forward to talking to you as well. Thank

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