WEBVTT - What Adjustments Turned The Tide For The Phoenix Suns? (Feat. Jon Bloom)

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<v Speaker 1>You're tuned into Heat Check with Trista Krick.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode of the Heat Check, We've got a special

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<v Speaker 2>bonus episode with the Voice of the Sun's John Bloom.

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<v Speaker 2>He drops some inside about the Sun's Nugget series, whether

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<v Speaker 2>Yoki should have been suspended for pushing owner Matt Ishpia,

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<v Speaker 2>and his thoughts on whether Phoenix can out last Denver.

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<v Speaker 2>Great conversation that happened with my co host and I,

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Horvaught on bet MGM tonight. I hope you enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you think this team was in trouble just because

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you have Kevin Durant, you have Devin Booker, But

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<v Speaker 1>it almost kind of feels like, or felt like this

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<v Speaker 1>team was trying to like figure things out on the fly.

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<v Speaker 3>No doubt, you know, because it's almost unparalleled territory for

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<v Speaker 3>a team to put together, you know, this group when

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<v Speaker 3>you have a star like Kevin Durant, you know, joining

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<v Speaker 3>a team this late in the game, and the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that he was injured when they got him obviously kept

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<v Speaker 3>him from playing for a while. Then he finally joined

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<v Speaker 3>him and then got nicked up, so they had to

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<v Speaker 3>you know, kind of watch it and make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>he was ready to go when the playoffs came, and

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<v Speaker 3>that left a lot of us wondering, well, how good

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<v Speaker 3>can they be?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, how good is this team?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think everybody, including the Denver Nuggets, were wondering

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<v Speaker 3>that before the series started. And when the series got

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<v Speaker 3>started here in the Mile High City, the Nuggets definitely

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<v Speaker 3>made a statement. I thought they played very, very good basketball.

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<v Speaker 3>Game one, they ran us out of the gym pretty much,

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<v Speaker 3>and then Game two, you know, it was a different story.

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<v Speaker 4>We got a little bit murky there for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Neither team was really firing offensively, get credit to both defenses.

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<v Speaker 3>But then the offenses came alive in the second half,

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<v Speaker 3>and more so for Denver, the home team, and they

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<v Speaker 3>rode the wave of their crowd and they got the

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<v Speaker 3>job done. And Chris Paul got injured in the third

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<v Speaker 3>quarter and that kind of changed the dynamic for the Suns.

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<v Speaker 3>They were able to adjust, but not well enough to

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<v Speaker 3>beat a very good Denver team. And I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to sell that short. I do think Denver is legit.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they were number one for a reason almost

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<v Speaker 3>the entire season. But here we are wondering, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>how good could this Devin and Kevin show Be, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, during those losses there were you know, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of glimpses of brilliance between them and their supporting cast.

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<v Speaker 3>But then we waited to get back to Phoenix and

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<v Speaker 3>see if they could get it done at home, and

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<v Speaker 3>they were able to.

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<v Speaker 4>They even the score.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a fascinating couple of games in the Valley,

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<v Speaker 3>no doubt about it. If you got a chance to

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<v Speaker 3>watch it, I would guess that you would agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think the biggest changes were with the

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<v Speaker 2>supporting cast that sort of flipped the script in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of how Phoenix was able to compete with Denver, who's

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<v Speaker 2>been one of the deeper teams in the West.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's that whole old axiom of the role

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<v Speaker 3>players always step up at home. So I guess that

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<v Speaker 3>may have played a role that they were more comfortable

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<v Speaker 3>at home. But there's another part to this, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is through this entire process, Manti Williams and his entire

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<v Speaker 3>coaching staff have been trying to figure out what the

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<v Speaker 3>best groups are to put on the floor together. It's

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<v Speaker 3>understandable because you took not just Michel Bridges, who had

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<v Speaker 3>a phenomenal season, not just in Phoenix, but also when

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<v Speaker 3>he went to Brooklyn and Cam Johnson two starters off

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<v Speaker 3>the floor, but you had Jay Crowder not playing all season,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were used to those three guys playing a

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<v Speaker 3>huge amount of minutes at the forward spots. So all

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<v Speaker 3>season long has been this project of trying to determine

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<v Speaker 3>which groups work well. And I guess that's part of

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<v Speaker 3>chemistry right on the floor. And so I give the

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<v Speaker 3>coaches credit because during the entire season what they did

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<v Speaker 3>do was they make sure made sure that everybody was

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<v Speaker 3>engaged and in that room right now, They've got a.

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<v Speaker 4>Lot of different types of players.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just like replicated, you know, long athletic wings

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<v Speaker 3>that you see in some markets around the NBA. You

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<v Speaker 3>go to these teams, You're like, man, they've got like

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<v Speaker 3>eight of the same guy right in this specific locker room.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody kind of has their own skill set. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's made it even more challenging for the Sun

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<v Speaker 3>coach is to figure out when and where to put

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<v Speaker 3>guys into the lineup. So now they've inserted TJ. Warren

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<v Speaker 3>and Terrence Ross. Those guys weren't playing against the Clippers

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<v Speaker 3>in Round one and now they and they weren't playing

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<v Speaker 3>in Denver, but the last two games of Phoenix they

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<v Speaker 3>made a definite impact. Jock Landale as well, stepping in

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<v Speaker 3>as a backup center to DeAndre eight and has been huge.

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<v Speaker 3>And Campaign coming back from his injury was obviously timely

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<v Speaker 3>considering now Chris Paul dealing with the with the groin

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<v Speaker 3>that he's going to be out with again tomorrow night

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<v Speaker 3>for Game five.

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<v Speaker 4>I just found that out right before we jumped on

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<v Speaker 4>this call.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you talk about like the playoff environment being

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<v Speaker 2>different than you know, the regular season, but to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it feels like what has and maybe you can just

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<v Speaker 2>give me your insight since the Chris Paul injury, it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like the Phoenix Suns want to play with much

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<v Speaker 2>more pace, which gets them You're just out into transition,

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<v Speaker 2>getting easier buckets versus Chris Paul, who wants to bring

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<v Speaker 2>the ball up a little bit more methodically set the offense,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe that makes it difficult against a Denver team

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<v Speaker 2>that's playing really good defense. Do you think that that

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<v Speaker 2>that's been like a key piece in terms of getting

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<v Speaker 2>guys like Campaign who play a little faster, Terrence Ross

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<v Speaker 2>who wants to get out into transition as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I think in essence, it was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a forced adjustment, wasn't it, because you had to

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<v Speaker 3>make a move with no Chris Paul available, so Campaign

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<v Speaker 3>comes in. He's always been that change of pace guy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he uses his speed as a weapon, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's he's kind of crafty around the hoop. He likes

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<v Speaker 3>to get to the basket, but he can also shoot

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<v Speaker 3>the three, and he's one of those streaky three point shooters,

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<v Speaker 3>but for the most part through this season was a

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<v Speaker 3>solid three point shooter. So you would hope if you're

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<v Speaker 3>the Suns, that he can kind of regain the form

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<v Speaker 3>he had when he stepped in for an injured Chris

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<v Speaker 3>Paul two years ago in the playoffs, actually played fantastic

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<v Speaker 3>ball for the Suns and led them to many wins.

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<v Speaker 3>He averaged something like fifteen points and eight assists a game,

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<v Speaker 3>very low turnovers, just like his predecessor and CP three does.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, the hope is that Chris gets back

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<v Speaker 3>as soon as possible. I'm not going to try to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you the Suns are better without one of the

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<v Speaker 3>best point guards to ever play, but what it's done

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<v Speaker 3>is It's made the Nuggets adjust to what the Sons

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<v Speaker 3>are doing with campaign. With those hit ahead passes, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not just about Cam, you know, changing the pace. That

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<v Speaker 3>hit ahead pass that Devin Booker hit Kevin Durant with

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<v Speaker 3>right before the half last night was massive, and they've

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<v Speaker 3>done that a handful of times on both ends. KD

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<v Speaker 3>hitting Book and Book hitting KD. So that's a big

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<v Speaker 3>weapon that I think they'll continue to use with or

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<v Speaker 3>without Chris Paul on the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think this is sustainable? I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that Devin Booker is gonna be able to shoot

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<v Speaker 1>eighty percent from the floor and drop forty five points.

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<v Speaker 1>But for them to win this series, would you agree

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<v Speaker 1>they need one big game? I'd say from DeAndre et

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<v Speaker 1>In like four points in Game two, eight points yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm three or six shooting. I know that he probably

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<v Speaker 1>he misses Chris Paul probably the most, not being able

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<v Speaker 1>to get put in that pick and roll situation. But

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel like they're gonna need him to go

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<v Speaker 1>off one game or do you think this is sustainable

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<v Speaker 1>to win games with just you know, Durant, Devin Booker

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, pick your role player off the bench,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it Shimmet or Landry Shamet or anybody else.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a good question.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, I would say that, do I think that

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<v Speaker 3>the Sons can win this series the way they're playing currently? Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I think they proved to me the last couple of games.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you had Nikola Jokic come for fifty three

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<v Speaker 3>and they still beat him. The game before that, he

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<v Speaker 3>went for thirty, seventeen and seventeen and lost. So to me, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>we're talking so much about Devin Booker and Kevin Durant,

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<v Speaker 3>it is it sustainable? Well, Jamal Murray and Nikola Jokics

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<v Speaker 3>are playing just as many minutes. Is it sustainable for them?

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why I feel confident that if the Sons

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<v Speaker 3>can continue to play their game as they played the

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<v Speaker 3>last couple games, they can get it done against the Nuggets.

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<v Speaker 3>Now ask me again, who they're playing next? Is it

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<v Speaker 3>the Warriors? Is it the Lakers? Totally different ball of wax,

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<v Speaker 3>And we're gonna have to see, you know, what the

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<v Speaker 3>game plan looks like for that next opponent. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just hopeful that we get there.

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<v Speaker 2>Fiery rhetoric from John bloom Hope to continue it. Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Malone came on in the presser and said that it

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<v Speaker 2>was ridiculous that Jokic got a technical foul for a

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<v Speaker 2>very dangerous shove of owner and fan Matt Ishbia stripped

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<v Speaker 2>the ball from his hands. I heard you feel just

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<v Speaker 2>a little differently about that, and whether you know how

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<v Speaker 2>your take is on that Jokic Ishpia interaction.

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<v Speaker 4>I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I was there obviously watched it from my

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<v Speaker 3>own angle where we broadcast the games from a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit above the floor. You know, my first emotion, slash

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<v Speaker 3>hope was that he would not get suspended. I just

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<v Speaker 3>want to get that clear and out out there that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, my hope is that Nikola Yokich is going

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<v Speaker 3>to play. These teams have been putting forth their best efforts.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been classic. It's been an amazing series so far,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wanted to continue. So yeah, that was my hope.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am a fan, by the way, in addition

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<v Speaker 3>to being a broadcaster for the team for fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 3>I've been a fan of the Sun since I was

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen years old. It's been thirty plus years of chairing

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<v Speaker 3>for this team, so you know, I can look at

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<v Speaker 3>it from multiple angles. Part of my job is taking

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<v Speaker 3>phone calls from fans after games at home, and I

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<v Speaker 3>do the play by play on the road because we've

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<v Speaker 3>got a ninety year old Hall of Famer Al McCoy

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<v Speaker 3>still calling the home games in his final season is

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<v Speaker 3>fifty first as the voice of this team. But another

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<v Speaker 3>elements in my life. I'm surrounded by attorneys. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>married to one, I'm the son of one, I'm the

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<v Speaker 3>son in law of one, and the brother in law

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<v Speaker 3>of one. Okay, they're all around me, and so my

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<v Speaker 3>brain goes to what those folks were probably thinking. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about the attorneys that are surrounding Adam Silver

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<v Speaker 3>and the NBA in those offices today as they decided

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<v Speaker 3>it deliberated whether or not to suspend Nikola Jokicic for

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<v Speaker 3>what happened with matt Ishbia. And I want to take

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<v Speaker 3>matt Ishbia out of this conversation, not because he's my boss,

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<v Speaker 3>but because I just think in general, the idea of

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<v Speaker 3>this play is it's a fan with the ball in

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<v Speaker 3>his hands having it ripped out of his hands by

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<v Speaker 3>a player. A player should never make any sort of contact.

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<v Speaker 4>With a fan. We all know this, Okay, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Should never happen. It can't happen because it leads to

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<v Speaker 3>horrible things, and we've seen them happen in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't lead to anything good. And in fact, you

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<v Speaker 3>could think about how everything went on last night and

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<v Speaker 3>how lucky we are that it went the way it

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm glad the fan got taken care of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Reached down and tried to attack with Nakola. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think he was in bounds either, that's out of bounds.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I'm trying to think about is how can

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<v Speaker 3>the league keep something horrible like the malice from the

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<v Speaker 3>mouse in the Palace, which I happen to be covering

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<v Speaker 3>the Pistons at the time. I wasn't at that game.

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<v Speaker 3>I was out of town for that game, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that I have a lot of friends who

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<v Speaker 3>are right in the middle of that, and that was horrifying.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you haven't seen the documentary, go watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll see how horrifying that was. But last night could

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<v Speaker 3>have led to something even worse, and I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to see that in the NBA, and the NBA certainly

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't want to see that. So my mind is thinking

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<v Speaker 3>those attorneys are right now probably turning out. I'm silver, Look,

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<v Speaker 3>we've got to lay down a law here. By the

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<v Speaker 3>letter of the law, he should be suspended. The other

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<v Speaker 3>angle of this in my own brain, as I told you,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a fan, right, so I got to come clean

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<v Speaker 3>with you. Even though this is our first conversation as

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<v Speaker 3>a group. I'm thinking of my mind. Fifteen to six

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<v Speaker 3>teen years ago, the Sons got completely screwed by the

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<v Speaker 3>league when they had Amari Stanenmeyer and Boris da get

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<v Speaker 3>suspended for leaving the bench to try to aid their

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<v Speaker 3>teammate who just got belted into the side, right into

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<v Speaker 3>the scorers table.

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<v Speaker 4>That was that storyline.

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<v Speaker 3>They got suspended, they end up losing to the Spurs

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<v Speaker 3>and Suns fans have never ever forgiven the league for that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't blame them, okay, because.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>So these are all the emotions flitting around in my head, like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the Sons will get a solid out of this

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<v Speaker 3>because that went down.

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<v Speaker 4>This will all be karma kind of turning itself upside down.

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<v Speaker 4>But it didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>He got fined twenty five k is what I read. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm fine with that. I still want him to be

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<v Speaker 3>suspended elite.

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<v Speaker 2>Flopper though, yes, elite flopper.

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<v Speaker 4>That was clearly Yeah. You know, here's the thing, he's

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<v Speaker 4>still balls.

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<v Speaker 3>He plays, you know, in like a league with his

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<v Speaker 3>mortgage company, So he's out there probably trying to draw

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<v Speaker 3>fouls on his subordinates.

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<v Speaker 1>John if Marcus smart, if I have to watch him

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<v Speaker 1>do it for two and a half hours every single

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<v Speaker 1>time the Celtics play, then he could do it himself.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm a gambling and I have some money to

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<v Speaker 1>play around with.

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<v Speaker 3>Real quick, go on, can I ask you, guys, because

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<v Speaker 3>I really am curious, what did you think should have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he should have been suspended just because

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that there was one You're right, the letter

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<v Speaker 2>of the law, but I think it would have been

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<v Speaker 2>a really really bad look for a two time MVP

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<v Speaker 2>to get suspended in a crucial game five. I think

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<v Speaker 2>at that point there's an integrity of the game thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and if the Suns end up winning this inn seven

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever it is, you don't want an asterisk for

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<v Speaker 2>game five.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So if I'm a Suns fan, I'm super pissed

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<v Speaker 1>because growing up, like I remember the series between the

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<v Speaker 1>Heat and the Knicks where guys like Ewing are getting

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<v Speaker 1>the Ewing isn't even available. He's in street clothes and

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<v Speaker 1>he gets suspended for game five or game six or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, PJ. Brown, all those guys, and you remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to see the best product, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see the best players, and if the Suns

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna win, I want to see, you know, Durant

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<v Speaker 1>beat Jokich. So yeah, I'm fine with it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>would get the where the beef would be.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all the time that we have for the Heat.

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