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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations.

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Speaker 2: It's the show that she is the secrets of success

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Speaker 1: I'm back with Sean McDonald. I'm back. I'm back to you.

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Speaker 1: planning or living your dreams. My guests today are Jackson

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Speaker 1: Dumbar and Tracy Hudson, and we'll be discussing how to

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Speaker 1: overcome the odds in life. Let's get God, Let's get rolling.

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Speaker 1: My guest is Jackson Dumbar. Life was almost perfect for

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Speaker 1: social entrepreneur Jackson Dumbar, the founder of the well Mad

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Speaker 1: Foundation and well Mad Atlanta. It privately on psychiatric medical firm.

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Speaker 1: It seemed that everything was going extremely well until a

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Speaker 1: tragic car accident nearly took his life. Thankfully, he lived,

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Speaker 1: but he lost his quality of life as chronic pain

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Speaker 1: made it impossible for him to walk normally, play with

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Speaker 1: his kids, or even hook his wife. In his tell

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Speaker 1: all book Race Matters in Pain Medicine, Jackson Dunbarck Squire

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Speaker 1: gives a first hand account on how he made money,

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Speaker 1: lost ninety pounds, and thrived in chronic pain. Please welco

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Speaker 1: with the Money Making Conversations Masterclass Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Dunbar Hello, how are you? Thank you for having me?

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I read the book. I got the book.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you know like I got it, and

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Speaker 1: it's a good read. First of all, but it was

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Speaker 1: an honest it was an honest book. Man. Wow, let's

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Speaker 1: let's talk about first of all, how are you doing

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Speaker 1: now physically?

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Speaker 4: Physically?

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Speaker 3: What today was an okay pain day?

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Speaker 4: As a chronic pain patient, where on medicine that really

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Speaker 4: impairs our cognitive functions. So I think today what it

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Speaker 4: was okay?

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Speaker 1: So you said even today you have to deal with pain.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I had that accident back and yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: So for the last eight years I've been doing the

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Speaker 4: dance for chronic pain, and yes, I had to learn

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Speaker 3: I which was one of.

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Speaker 4: The reasons why I wrote my book. I was fortunate

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Speaker 3: And a friend suggested that I write.

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Speaker 4: A book because most people aren't as fortunate to have

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, let's let's talk about this. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about let's go back, because I don't want I don't

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Speaker 1: leave anybody in the dark about how this happened. You know,

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Speaker 1: you were just a short scenary. Your son was in

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Speaker 1: He said, if you want to look successful, you need

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Speaker 1: Tell us what happened.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I closed the biggest stal of well met Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: We're a group of child and ILYSSM psychiatrists here in Atlanta,

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Speaker 4: and I just closed the biggest deal of our company's history.

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Speaker 3: Make sure, make sure you're ready.

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Speaker 4: All I had to do is take my son to

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Speaker 3: And I took him to a soccer.

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Speaker 3: Let's see, they.

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Speaker 4: Were running to me, my show would be okay, Thank god.

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Speaker 4: He would end up playing soccer a couple of days later,

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about what happened at the accident. You know,

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Speaker 1: because this young lady who was five foot seven in

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Speaker 1: your book says she's white, and you were dealing with pain,

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Speaker 1: and when people showed up, no one paid attention to you.

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Speaker 4: Well, it was weird because I was more concerned about

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Speaker 4: just thinking, God, my son was fine. It was my

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Speaker 4: My son said, so, why is that why she caused

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Speaker 4: the accident? You know, why aren't they asking if we're okay?

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Speaker 4: I had to have a talk every black man has

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Speaker 4: to have with a son about racism. You know, we

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Speaker 3: And it was a real how did he.

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Speaker 1: Take that conversation? I know he was young, but how

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Speaker 4: I did, Yes, I did respond. And what I and

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Speaker 4: the way he responded was he said, okay.

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Speaker 4: He's really thoughtful and He listened a lot, and I

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Speaker 4: In fact, there were.

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Speaker 3: Times when he yelled.

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Speaker 4: We were running together, and all that was gone. He

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Speaker 1: Well know, I had a lung collapsed when I was

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Speaker 1: thirty days. You know, just I can relate in some

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Speaker 1: Of course, after a while, it will stop giving you

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Speaker 1: Here you are in your life twenty fifteen, roughly eight

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Speaker 1: to my physical blessings, I am not dealing with. But

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Speaker 1: I know that pain, that pain. When you have a

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Speaker 1: give you that machine, they know you are in pain.

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Speaker 1: And so you're telling me that you hurt your back, correct, yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: And so we all know when you hurt your back,

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Speaker 3: How did that your little physical life.

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Speaker 1: Had turned upside down? Correct?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and it's there were times, especially when they

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Speaker 4: It's like, why is it that no one and no

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Speaker 4: can't get all the simple things like cut in the grass.

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Speaker 4: You know, I used to do all the driving when

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Speaker 4: of This is a whole paradigm shift from my entire family.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this because you know, the whole thing

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Speaker 1: about I'm working on a big project is tied to

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Speaker 1: sickle sale. And one of the things that people who

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Speaker 1: hospitals don't want to give them medicine or drugs to

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Speaker 1: reduce the pain because they look at them as drug seekers.

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Speaker 1: That's a term that you use in your book that

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Speaker 1: people perceive you when you complain about your back, that

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Speaker 1: they question your pain and saw you as a black man,

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Speaker 1: a drug seeker. Correct, that's what you said in your book, Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 4: And it's weird because it wouldn't mat And it's weird

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Speaker 4: because if I look at my background, I'm a job

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Speaker 4: and none of that mattered. Nothing, No, And not only that,

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Speaker 4: Not only that, I had I had images from an

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Speaker 3: In this point.

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Speaker 4: Yet they still wouldn't give me the medication. They still

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Speaker 4: And then one day, you know.

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Speaker 3: I decided to get my head.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to a successful man, the entrepreneur whose life

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Speaker 4: I think the first time the insurance company tried to

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Speaker 4: What do you mean. I mean, well, hey, listen, you

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Speaker 1: You know what amazes to me the most about this conversation,

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Speaker 1: You know, you've read the stories people that brought in

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Speaker 3: You know what, at three point fifty.

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Speaker 4: Big big gut going out there, I had. I had

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Speaker 1: So you three hundred and fifty pound. I toler you,

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Speaker 1: I toller you.

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Speaker 1: your cabin and they were stolen. Yes, So you got

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Speaker 1: educated on that end too. You got educated by these

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Speaker 1: women swimming around you. At three hundred and fifty pounds,

439
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Speaker 1: a seventy year old God tells you if you don't

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Speaker 1: lose weight, you're gonna die. You go cruising and they

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Speaker 1: steer your your medicine.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and and and that and we and that

443
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Speaker 4: was bad because my meds got stolen day one on

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Speaker 4: a seven day cruise. And the doctor on that ship

445
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Speaker 4: wasn't like anything on the love boat. And he didn't

446
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Speaker 4: he didn't believe me that I needed the meds. He

447
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Speaker 4: gave me a new profen. I'm my God, that's not

448
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Speaker 4: gonna do anything. He wouldn't write of spirit.

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Speaker 1: He gave you, I have a profen and replace of

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Speaker 1: the medicines that you actually needed.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and you knows. And here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: My wife is a medical doctor, right, and tried to

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Speaker 4: talk to the person doctor, the doctor and still instill.

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Speaker 4: He basically threw us out of his office. I couldn't

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Speaker 4: believe it.

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Speaker 1: And this is on the cruise ship.

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Speaker 4: Yes, wow, yeah, yeah. You know it's hard to have

458
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Speaker 4: a bad time on a cruise and I found.

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Speaker 3: Out how to do it.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, you taught me a good lesson. No

461
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Speaker 4: matter where I go, I lock up my meds, they

462
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Speaker 4: always stay with me.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is true. A lot of people don't understand

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Speaker 1: other people. What you might consider regular might have valued

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Speaker 1: street value. And that's what you discovered that your drugs

466
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Speaker 1: had street vague. And so that's the guy that the

467
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Speaker 1: porter in your room said he actually need threw it away,

468
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Speaker 1: but he probably stole it because he can actually go

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Speaker 1: out there and make money with it. But you know,

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Speaker 1: as we close this, you know, this book was rather

471
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Speaker 1: fascinating to me, and you know, I know you do.

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Speaker 1: I know you're a successful entrepreneur and especially in the

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Speaker 1: well made foundation and the well made Atlanta Private your

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Speaker 1: own psychiatric medical firm. As we close this out, because

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Speaker 1: we've just been talking about physical we's been talking about

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Speaker 1: the physicality of what you couldn't do. How did that

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Speaker 1: impact you mentally?

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Speaker 4: I think now that was Now it did, And a

479
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Speaker 4: lot of that is because I think we as black

480
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Speaker 4: men were raised that real black men don't need therapy.

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Speaker 4: In fact, that's my favorite chapter in the book.

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Speaker 3: And they're fifteen million chronic pain.

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Speaker 4: Patients out there. And what I say is that if

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Speaker 4: you don't have if you don't have a good mental

485
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Speaker 4: health team, a good psychologist and a psychiatrist that specialize

486
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Speaker 4: in pain management working on you in your life, you

487
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Speaker 4: won't be able to reclaim your life.

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Speaker 3: And that's hard for us.

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Speaker 4: And I own a psychiat I own a psychiatric consulting firm,

490
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Speaker 4: A psychiatrists all around me, all of them were saying, hey, listen,

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Speaker 4: you need to see someone and I will and believe

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Speaker 4: it right. And it wasn't until what what I took

493
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Speaker 4: my daughter. I took my daughter to the hair store

494
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Speaker 4: and the person there was really rude. I started yelling

495
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Speaker 4: at them and.

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Speaker 3: Then my daughter ran away.

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Speaker 4: She was afraid of me.

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Speaker 1: Wow, And.

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Speaker 4: That was that was maybe four years into this odyssey.

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Speaker 4: And at that point I got a good mental health team,

501
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Speaker 4: and what the psychiatrist was able to do was fascinating.

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Speaker 4: She basically what happens is that you may have a

503
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Speaker 4: pain management doctor, you may have an attorneys, you may

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Speaker 4: have a urologist and a few other folks, and all

505
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Speaker 4: of them are giving you different medications. So by the

506
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Speaker 4: end you could be taking taking to twenty pills a day,

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Speaker 4: two three.

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Speaker 3: Times a day.

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Speaker 4: So what the psychiatrist was able to do was actually

510
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Speaker 4: going through all the medications and say, Okay, that was

511
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Speaker 4: making you crazy, that was making you gain weight, Here's what.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do. And from there, Bam, I.

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Speaker 4: Was able to be myself about about three or four

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Speaker 4: hours out of.

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Speaker 3: The day.

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Speaker 4: I was, and then I was able to put together strategies,

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Speaker 4: Strategies on how to navigate medical racism, strategies on how

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Speaker 4: to make money even though I couldn't work, strategies on

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Speaker 4: how to lose weight even though I was on neds

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Speaker 4: that made you gang weight, and finally, strategies on how

521
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Speaker 4: to thrive even though I was on medications that made

522
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: you suicidal. Right and and I was working, I was

523
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Speaker 4: I was a volunteer at Senator Raffia Warnock's campaign and

524
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Speaker 4: I was there with this minister and we were talking

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Speaker 4: about this. She said out this anger. She said, you

526
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Speaker 4: know what, you got a lot of anger there. Maybe

527
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Speaker 4: you should write a book about this whole thing. And

528
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Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, maybe what I learned could help other people.

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Speaker 4: And so that's and that's why I wrote it. You know,

530
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Speaker 4: what do you do? What do you do to navigate

531
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Speaker 4: medical racism? How do you make money when you're crying

532
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 4: to pain you can't? How do you let's see, how

533
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: do you thrive when you're on medication that makes you crazy?

534
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Speaker 4: And how do you lose weight when you run pay

535
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Speaker 4: medication that makes you gain weight? So that was why

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Speaker 4: I wrote the book.

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Speaker 1: Well, friend, it was an incredible read. How can we

538
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Speaker 1: get in touch with you Jackson?

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's really get in touch with me is to

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Speaker 4: go to Jackson dumbar dot com. That's Jackson dumbbar dot com. Uh,

541
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Speaker 4: you can even hit me up on I g at

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Speaker 4: jack fights Racism.

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Speaker 1: Wow, now, Jackson Dunbar. There's a contact link on your

544
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Speaker 1: website that they can fill out a form and you respond.

545
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Speaker 4: To yes, yes, yes, they hit that link and once

546
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Speaker 4: they do, if they have any questions about some of

547
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Speaker 4: them money and make because I'm really big on investing.

548
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 4: I'm really big on investing because it might view it

549
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Speaker 4: is the only way that someone in chronic pain can

550
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Speaker 4: and make money, and it's not as hard as people think.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's another conversation now, you know. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get through this book. I got another guest, incredible guests

553
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Speaker 1: that I want to talk to in this other half

554
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Speaker 1: hundred hour. But the most important thing I wanted to

555
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: tell this story. If you have time, love to bring

556
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Speaker 1: you back to talk about the investment side of being

557
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Speaker 1: able to apply yourself and not let physicality or chronic pain,

558
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Speaker 1: or disappointment or lost dreams stop you from achieving in

559
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Speaker 1: another area. That's another side of your life that I

560
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: thought was really important. But I had never any interviewed

561
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Speaker 1: anybody who had an accent like that. Still dealing with

562
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Speaker 1: the pain today, dealt with so much denial. Mister Dunbar.

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Speaker 1: You incredible. I appreciate you coming on the show again.

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Speaker 1: Is tell all book, Race Matters and Pain Medicine by

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dunbar Expire and where's that website? One more time

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Speaker 1: as we close out.

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Speaker 4: The interview, Yeah, thank you thinks it's that Jackson dumbar

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Speaker 4: dot com, that's Jackson dunbar dot com or I g

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Speaker 4: at jack bites racism.

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Speaker 1: We talked to my friends, Stay healthy, Stay healthy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you calling in on money Making Conversation Master

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Speaker 1: Clive