1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: It's the show that she is the secrets of success 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: experience firsthand by marketing and brand and expert Rashan McDonald. 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: I will know he's giving me advice on many occasions. 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: And in case you didn't notice, I'm not broke. You know 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: he'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs and entrepreneurs and industry decision 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: make because it's what he likes to do, it's what 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: he likes to share. Now it's time to hear from 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: my man, Rashaan McDonald. Money Making Conversations. Here we go. 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: I'm back with Sean McDonald. I'm back. 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It's time to stop reading other 31 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 3: people's success stories and really start living your own. 32 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: People always talk about their purpose. Are gift not gifts? Gift. 33 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: If you have a gift, leave with your gift and 34 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: don't let your friends, family, or coworkers stop you from 35 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: planning or living your dreams. My guests today are Jackson 36 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: Dumbar and Tracy Hudson, and we'll be discussing how to 37 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: overcome the odds in life. Let's get God, Let's get rolling. 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: My guest is Jackson Dumbar. Life was almost perfect for 39 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: social entrepreneur Jackson Dumbar, the founder of the well Mad 40 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: Foundation and well Mad Atlanta. It privately on psychiatric medical firm. 41 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: It seemed that everything was going extremely well until a 42 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: tragic car accident nearly took his life. Thankfully, he lived, 43 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: but he lost his quality of life as chronic pain 44 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: made it impossible for him to walk normally, play with 45 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: his kids, or even hook his wife. In his tell 46 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 3: all book Race Matters in Pain Medicine, Jackson Dunbarck Squire 47 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: gives a first hand account on how he made money, 48 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 3: lost ninety pounds, and thrived in chronic pain. Please welco 49 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: with the Money Making Conversations Masterclass Jackson. 50 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: Dunbar Hello, how are you? 51 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me? 52 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I read the book. I got the book. 53 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you know like I got it, and 54 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: it's a good read. First of all, but it was 55 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: an honest it was an honest book. 56 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: Man. 57 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: Wow, let's let's talk about first of all, how are 58 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: you doing now physically? 59 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 4: Physically? What today was an okay pain day? As a 60 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: chronic pain patient, where on medicine that really impairs our 61 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: cognitive functions. So I think today what it was okay? 62 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: So you said even today you have to deal with pain. 63 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, I had that accident back and yeah, yeah, yeah. 64 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 4: So for the last eight years I've been doing the 65 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: dance for chronic pain, and yes, I had to learn 66 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: how to manage it. I which was one of the 67 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 4: reasons why I wrote my book. I was fortunate I 68 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 4: had resources and so could put together a team that 69 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 4: could that could teach me how to manage the pain. 70 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 4: And a friend suggested that I write a book because 71 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: most people aren't as fortunate to have those sort of resources. 72 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: Well, you know, let's let's talk about this. 73 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: Let's talk about let's go back, because I don't want 74 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: I don't leave anybody in the dark about how this happened. 75 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: You know, you were just a short scenary. Your son 76 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: was in the backseat. You were driving. Your father, who 77 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: who had passed away, gave you his two thousand and 78 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: four BMW. He said, if you want to look successful, 79 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: you need to drive successful. It was one of the 80 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: things and he was making a turn. Now the story 81 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: is yours. Tell us what happened. 82 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I closed the biggest stal of well met Atlanta. 83 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: We're a group of child and ILYSSM psychiatrists here in Atlanta, 84 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 4: and I just closed the biggest deal of our company's history. 85 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 4: Forty margins. In fact, I was telling my wife, Hey, 86 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: big daddy's coming home. Make sure, make sure you're ready. 87 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 4: All I had to do is take my son to 88 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 4: a soccer game and we'll go from there. And I 89 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: took him to a soccer game and someone ran a 90 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 4: yield sign, and yeah, it was like a tale of 91 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 4: two different worlds. Let's see, they were running to me, 92 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 4: my show would be okay, Thank god. He would end 93 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 4: up playing soccer a couple of days later, me not 94 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 4: so much. I would have of back procedures, a batch 95 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 4: back surgery, and in the end I was diagnosed with 96 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 4: having permitive nerve damage, which would cause chronic pain for 97 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 4: the rest of my life. 98 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about what happened at the accident. You know, 99 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: because this young lady who was five foot seven in 100 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 3: your book says she's white, and you were dealing with pain, 101 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: and when people showed up, no one paid attention to you. 102 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 3: They only paid attention to her. What was your thoughts 103 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: on that, because you explained about it, you explained it 104 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: in your book. 105 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 4: Well, it was weird because I was more concerned about 106 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 4: the smoke and the pain that I was in and 107 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 4: just thinking, God, my son was fine. It was my 108 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: son that that saw that. He's very insightful. And after 109 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: the fourth or fifth card went by and they kept 110 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 4: asking her if she was okay and said nothing to us. 111 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: My son said, so, why is that why she caused 112 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 4: the accident? You know, why aren't they asking if we're okay? 113 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 4: And that was on the side of the road. I 114 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 4: had to have a talk every black man has to 115 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: have with a son about racism. You know, we tried 116 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 4: to shield our kids from that, but I had to 117 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 4: have a frank discussion about how society for the most part, 118 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 4: protect white women and not so much us. And it 119 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 4: was a real how did he. 120 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: Take that conversation? 121 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 3: I know he was young, but how did he what 122 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 3: did he consume or what did he take away from that? 123 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: Because I know he was trying to be polite in 124 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: your conversation and because you was already trying to shield him, 125 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 3: but he asked a question that you didn't expect to 126 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 3: be in the situation to respond, but you had to respond. 127 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. I did, Yes, I did respond. And what I 128 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 4: and the way he responded was he said, okay, I mean, 129 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: I mean, my son's one of these kids. He's really 130 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 4: thoughtful and He listened a lot, and I think that 131 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 4: was his awakening of the racism that we have in society. 132 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: Right. 133 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 4: In fact, there were times when he yelled. I mean, 134 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 4: he and I were very physical. We used to bike 135 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 4: to Stell Mountain and back. I would have him on 136 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: the back. I would have him on the back of 137 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: my bike. We were running together, and all that was gone. 138 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 4: He was really angry at the woman because of the 139 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 4: accident and for taking his father away. It was a 140 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 4: real trying time those first few years after the accident. 141 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: Well know, I had a lung collapsed when I was 142 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles and I stayed in the hospital for 143 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: thirty days. You know, just I can relate in some 144 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: ways to your chronic pain. I remember when I was 145 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: in the hospital, they gave me a morphine drip because 146 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: the pain. You know, if anybody had been in a 147 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: hospital situation, you press the button if you have pain. 148 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: Of course, after a while, it will stop giving you 149 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: the drug, otherwise you become addicted to it. 150 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: But you still pressing. You're still pressing because the pain 151 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: didn't go away. 152 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: And so that experience of frustration, because I know at 153 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 3: least three times I was checking out of the hospital, 154 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: and I had to go back in because my lung recollapse. 155 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: Here you are in your life twenty fifteen, roughly eight 156 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: years later, you're still dealing with a pain that, due 157 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: to my physical blessings, I am not dealing with. But 158 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: I know that pain, that pain. When you have a 159 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: machine over there, there's a drip, morphing drip. When they 160 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: give you that machine, they know you are in pain. 161 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 3: And so you're telling me that you hurt your back, correct, yes, sir, 162 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: And so we all know when you hurt your back, 163 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 3: you realize how powerful or how important your back is 164 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: getting out of bed, walking just lifting things. 165 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 4: How did that your little physical life. 166 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: Had turned upside down? Correct? 167 00:08:54,240 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and it's there were times, especially when they 168 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 4: took the pain medicine away, that I couldn't even make 169 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 4: it up the stairs in my home. I would collapse 170 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 4: because the left side of my body is weaker than 171 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 4: the right, and I just collapsed just in the way 172 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 4: to my body. I would be on the floor. My 173 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 4: kids would come looking at me, and I would have 174 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 4: to lie to them and say I wasn't in pain, 175 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 4: and they were looking at me like I was nuts. 176 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 4: And it's like, why is it that no one and 177 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 4: no one would give me more minutes. And it was 178 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: weird because at the time I thought I was going 179 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 4: I thought I was going nuts. And you're right. You 180 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 4: can't play with your kids, you can't use the restroom, 181 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 4: you can't get all the simple things like cut in 182 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 4: the grass. You know, I used to do all the 183 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 4: driving when we went on trips. You know, I could 184 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: barely get in the car now. So this was a 185 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 4: real pair of This is a whole paradigm shift from 186 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 4: my entire family. 187 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 3: Let's talk about this because you know, the whole thing 188 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: about I'm working on a big. 189 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: Project is tied to sickle sale. 190 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: And one of the things that people who have sickle 191 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,359 Speaker 3: cell you when they go to the hospital in a crisis. 192 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: You know a lot of doctors or hospitals don't want 193 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: to give them medicine or drugs to reduce the pain 194 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 3: because they look at them as drug seekers. That's a 195 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: term that you use in your book that people perceive 196 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: you when you complain about your back, that they question 197 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 3: your pain and saw you as a black man, a 198 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: drug seeker. 199 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: Correct, that's what you said in your book, Yes, exactly. 200 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 4: And it's weird because it wouldn't mat And it's weird 201 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 4: because if I look at my background, I'm a job 202 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 4: creator here in Atlanta. I also have a lot agree 203 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 4: in in NBA from a from a top tier school, 204 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 4: and none of that mattered. Nothing, No, And not only that, 205 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 4: Not only that, I had I had images from an 206 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 4: MRI and an EERG which stayed that, hey, this guy 207 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: has permanent nerve damage in this point. Yet they still 208 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 4: wouldn't give me the medication. They still thought I was 209 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 4: pain seeking and I thought it was crazy. And then 210 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 4: one day, you know, I decided to get my head 211 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 4: around it and see if this was happening to other people. 212 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 3: Right, And I'm telling you it is, especially in sickle 213 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 3: cell patients. Yes, And that's said now Jackson, because in 214 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: your book, you know, you talk about the whole it's 215 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: a crisis you under you know, like I said, mine 216 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 3: was thirty days, and of course when I got out 217 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 3: of the hospital, I had to have rehab and recovery, 218 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: and eventually I recovered from that. But I always remember 219 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: that that crisis, you know, the inability to control your 220 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: destiny because you're a very confident man, very successful man, 221 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you put in a physical crisis. 222 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 3: You can't even play with your kids. You can't even 223 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: get out of bed. Your wife probably has to assist 224 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: you are doing normal things. Some drops on the floor, 225 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: you can't reach down and pick it up. It starts 226 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: to question your term being a man in a in 227 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: a relationship? 228 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: What is your role? How did you deal with that? 229 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 4: To be honest, that was tough. My father, my father, 230 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 4: like many men of this generation after Vietnam, got married, 231 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 4: had kids, right, He always stressed to me and my 232 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: brother that we should go out, have our fun, get educated, 233 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 4: and we shouldn't be and we shouldn't get married to 234 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 4: Abel until we are able to buy our own home. Okay, 235 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 4: And that's what I did. I bought a four that 236 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 4: condo fixed a rupper and then I'm like, okay, I'm 237 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 4: ready to get married. And so when I get married, 238 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 4: it's hey, I'm the man I'm supposed to produce. That's 239 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 4: how I judge myself. And so, thanks be to God, 240 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 4: I was able to do all of that, and then 241 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 4: all of a sudden that have all that taken away. 242 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 4: It was wadded out. One of the stadtest points of 243 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 4: my life. 244 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 3: Now, you know, here's the thing I'm talking to Jackson Dunbar. 245 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: His life changed, Ladies and gentlemen, His changed an accident, 246 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 3: the car accident. Fortunately, fortunately for him, his son was 247 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: safe and was unharmed. But his life changed, and another 248 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: person caused that change. When we come back, we're going 249 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: to talk about the insurance companies now, because that's another 250 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: game he had to deal with, that black white game 251 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 3: that we always have to deal with, who's gonna pay 252 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: and how much they're gonna pay, and how he had 253 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: to approach dealing with those issues. All this is in 254 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 3: his book Made Money, Lost ninety pounds and Thrived in 255 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 3: Chronic Pain, Race Matters and Pain Medicine by Jackson Dunbar Squire. 256 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 3: We'll be right back for more money Making Conversation. 257 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 5: Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more 258 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 5: money making Conversations. Masterclass. You are now tuned into the 259 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 5: money Making Conversations. 260 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: Minute of Inspiration with Rashaan McDonald. 261 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 3: HIO Rashan McDonald from Money Making Conversation with your daily 262 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: Minute of Inspiration. This week, I said that with comedian, actress, 263 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: writer and producer of the new HBO Max comedy special 264 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: Fighting Words, Ida Rodriguez. She shares how Through her comedy, 265 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 3: she talks about uncomfortable things in order to heal. 266 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: I grew up in the inner city of Miami. 267 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 6: Part of what we used to do when we were kids, 268 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 6: we used to crack on each other. People call it joning. 269 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 6: And when I realized that what we were doing was 270 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 6: processing our pain through laughter, that I decided when I 271 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 6: started writing comedy, I would just channel that and say, 272 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 6: how do I approach talking about sexual abuse? It happened 273 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 6: so much in our communities. So I sat down and 274 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 6: I just made a decision that I was going to 275 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 6: talk about the things that were uncomfortable because it helped 276 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 6: me also heal. 277 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: If you want to listen to this full interview with 278 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: Ida Rariguez, it's available on money Making Conversations dot com. 279 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations masterclass hosted by 280 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 5: Sean McDonald. 281 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: I'm talking to a successful man, the entrepreneur whose life 282 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: was turned upside down in twenty fifteen when a car 283 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: accident changed him physically, changed the way he approached life. 284 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: Changed his relationship with his child, changed, a relationship with 285 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: his wife, change the relationship with his friend. More important, 286 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: it changed how he looked at life because of his race. 287 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: He was being treated differently. He's being treated he was 288 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: treated differently at the accident. He's being treated differently when 289 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: you try to seek medical care. He treated differently when 290 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: the drugs that he was requested when being denied to 291 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: him with all the At what point in this whole game, 292 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: Because it's a game. It's a game of race, Jackson 293 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: Dunbar that you felt you needed to fight back. 294 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 4: I think the first time the insurance company tried to 295 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 4: load Disney and working in mental health, I know the 296 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 4: insurance game is about time value of money. The longer 297 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 4: they can hold we pay our insurance payments a month 298 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 4: with the expectation of something happened. The insurance company will 299 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 4: pay up. 300 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: That false expectations, you know, because they have the little rules. 301 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 3: They'll pay this, but they may not pay that. You know, 302 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: but you don't tell you all the minor details. 303 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, And so what ended up happening was 304 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 4: after I got a little bit from the fire insurance company, 305 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: after the health insurance companies started denying claims, I realized, hey, 306 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 4: you know what I got. I got this legal mind. 307 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 4: Even though my body isn't where it should be, I 308 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 4: should be able to use that. So what I did 309 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 4: was what the insurance company. I found my lawyer, or 310 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 4: I found a lawyer who I thought could helped me 311 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 4: win a case against someone who lived in who lived 312 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 4: in Cobb County. Now, the thing about the person that 313 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 4: it me, she took ownership. She's what we would call 314 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 4: a good defendant. People wouldn't necessarily throw the book at her. 315 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: In fact, they probably feel sorry for her because of 316 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 4: because of what happened. And so I needed someone that 317 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 4: could win given them that sort of environment. So I 318 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 4: went and did that. Then also I know how the 319 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 4: insurance company played I health insurance companies typically deny one 320 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 4: or two times their defense called coordination of benefits and 321 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 4: with and it's what people and it's what the insurance 322 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: company sends you, and it basically shows what the insurance 323 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 4: company pays and then what you pay. So most people 324 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 4: don't look at that until we get a build. When 325 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 4: I got it and saw that the insurance company denied 326 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 4: the claim, I called them, hey, what's going on with this? 327 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 4: You approved it? They sent it back a month later, 328 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 4: and then they approved it, but they approved it out 329 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 4: of network. People wouldn't insurance know if you' seen the 330 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 4: provider out of network, you pay more money. And it 331 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 4: took three different times, and then finally with the end of. 332 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: The day, you in pain, right, you in pain. 333 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 4: All this pain, and I'm like yelling at People's the 334 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 4: funny story. You know. My kids were telling me I 335 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 4: was yelling and cussing a lot because of the pain, 336 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 4: and I said, okay, okay. So they wanted to do 337 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 4: a swear dar. I'm like fine. So one day I'm 338 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 4: yelling at the assurance cut me. My daughter's there and 339 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 4: what are you doing. I'm making money. She's writing down 340 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 4: all the time. I'm like yelling and swearing at the 341 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 4: insurance companies because I knew the tactics. By the third time, 342 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 4: they paid for it. Let's see, they paid for it. It 343 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 4: was then that worked. Everything was good, and that took 344 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 4: about four months. Normally that process can go on at 345 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: least a year, because it may take you four or 346 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 4: five months to really look at your EOB and then 347 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 4: trying to figure out what's going on. Typically most people 348 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 4: get the bill and by then, yeah, you're gonna you're 349 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 4: gonna be fighting the insurance company for months. The car 350 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 4: insurance company. 351 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 3: There was two car insurance you were dealing. You're dealing 352 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 3: with her car insurance, and you had to deal with 353 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: your car insurance, right because her car insurance would only 354 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 3: pay so much, then you have to wind up fighting 355 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 3: with the fair car insurance that you pay, making these 356 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 3: monthly payments to have insurance. 357 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 4: Yes, I did. And and my my my attorney at 358 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 4: the time was funny. He said, you know what, Okay, 359 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: her car insurance is going to pay. Your car insurance 360 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 4: company is now owned for snake like behavior. So what 361 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 4: you're going to have to do is trust me. And 362 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 4: but the thing about it, Jackson, is that you are 363 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 4: a great playman. What do you mean. I mean, well, hey, listen, 364 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 4: you got a law degree, you're well spoken, you're a 365 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 4: married man, you're a family man, you're a business owner. 366 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 4: I love I love people like you. All you got 367 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 4: to do is go in there and impress them. And 368 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 4: I tell people when when you go to these depositions, 369 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 4: you know, uh, make sure your clean cut, uh, make 370 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 4: sure you got to you're you're wearing nice clothes, and 371 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 4: and make sure you take the time to frame the 372 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 4: narrative so that the lawyer on the opposing side realizes that, hey, 373 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 4: you know what we got to like this person to 374 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 4: check or we're going to lose. And that was something 375 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 4: they taught me in law school years ago. Something I've 376 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 4: learned closing deals, uh, closing deals as a businessman here 377 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 4: in Atlanta. 378 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: You know what amazes to me the most about this conversation, 379 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 3: Jackson Dunbar, is that we you know, success supposed to 380 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 3: make your life easier, and we know what you're talking 381 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 3: when they're when they're insinuating about people who aren't married, 382 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: or people who have lesser education, how they get treated. 383 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 3: That's all he's saying, is that. And that's where race 384 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 3: comes into play. How people can stereotype you. And I've 385 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 3: been stereotyped all my life because I'm black. I've been 386 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 3: in stereotyped because of the color of my skin buying 387 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 3: houses or or getting my houses appraised. 388 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: I've been stereotyped. 389 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 3: You know, you've read the stories people that brought in 390 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 3: changed their photos in the house the white people or 391 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: and had act like they didn't live there, and they 392 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 3: appraised were higher when in those situations. You know, but 393 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 3: as a person who battles and stealing chronic pain because 394 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 3: you got up to almost three hundred and fifty pounds 395 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 3: in weight what I read in the book, and you 396 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: lost ninety pounds of the process because a young man 397 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: I shouldn't say he was in the seventies, told you 398 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 3: you're going to die if you don't lose this weight. 399 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: And it all happened because of an accident. 400 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, and that doctor really changed my life. He 401 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 4: was an Emory doctor, seventy years old, former paratroot for believing. 402 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 4: He and I used to buy so we had a 403 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 4: lot in common. He had what I call an offense. 404 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 4: We had an offense what we had an affinity with 405 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 4: each other. And I tell people, if you don't have 406 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: that affinity with your doctor, you're not going to get 407 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 4: the type of treatment that you need. And he asked 408 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 4: me if you could swim, and I'm like, yes, but 409 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 4: I'm not going to swim without my lower body. Well 410 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 4: just use your arms, okay. Cool. So I'm a member 411 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 4: of the Way Walker YMCA and started swimming in that pool, 412 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: and you know what, at three point fifty, big big 413 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 4: gut going out there, I had. I had sixty year 414 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 4: old women swimming around me, splashing water in my face, 415 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 4: looking at me, kind of whatever. 416 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: So you three hundred and fifty pound. I toler you. 417 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: I toller you, I'm six one six one through it. 418 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: So you you carrying a lot of space out there, 419 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 3: six one pound, so you walk into the out there 420 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 3: so so so it's like, you know, you big guy 421 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 3: coming in. And I remember when you you realized that 422 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 3: drugs have value. But I say drugs have value when 423 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 3: you went cruising and you left your drugs into in 424 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: your cabin and they were stolen. 425 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: Yes, So you got educated on that end too. You 426 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: got educated by these women swimming around you. 427 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: At three hundred and fifty pounds, a seventy year old 428 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 3: God tells you if you don't lose weight, you're gonna die. 429 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: You go cruising and they steer your your medicine. 430 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and and and that and we and that 431 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 4: was bad because my meds got stolen day one on 432 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 4: a seven day cruise. And the doctor on that ship 433 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 4: wasn't like anything on the Love boat. And he didn't 434 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 4: he didn't believe me that I needed the meds. He 435 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 4: gave me a new profen. I'm my God, that's not 436 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 4: gonna do anything. He wouldn't write of spirit. 437 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: He gave you i aprofen and replace of the medicines 438 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 3: that you actually needed. 439 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 4: Yes, and you knows. And here's the thing. My wife 440 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 4: is a medical doctor, right, and tried to talk to 441 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 4: the person doctor, the doctor and still instill. He basically 442 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 4: threw us out of his office. I couldn't believe it. 443 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: And this is on the cruise ship. 444 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 4: Yes, wow, yeah, yeah. You know it's hard to have 445 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 4: a bad time on a cruise and I found out 446 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 4: how to do it. Well, you know, you taught me 447 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 4: a good lesson. No matter where I go, I lock 448 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 4: up my meds, they always stay with me. 449 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 3: Well, this is true. A lot of people don't understand 450 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 3: other people. What you might consider regular might have vau 451 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 3: street value. And that's what you discovered that your drugs 452 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: had street vague. And so that's the guy that the 453 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 3: porter in your room said he actually need threw it away, 454 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 3: but he probably stole it because he can actually go 455 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: out there and make money with it. But you know, 456 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: as we close this, you know, this book was rather 457 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: fascinating to me, and you know, I know you do. 458 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: I know you're a successful entrepreneur and especially in the 459 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 3: well made foundation and the well made Atlanta Private your 460 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: own psychiatric medical firm. As we close this, out because 461 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 3: we've just been talking about physical we's been talking about 462 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: the physicality of what. 463 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: You couldn't do. How did that impact you mentally? 464 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 4: I think now that was Now it did, And a 465 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 4: lot of that is because I think we as black 466 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: men were raised that real black men don't need therapy. 467 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: In fact, that's my favorite chapter in the book, and 468 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 4: they're fifteen theon chronic pain patients out there. And what 469 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 4: I say is that if you don't have if you 470 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 4: don't have a good mental health team, a good psychologist 471 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 4: and a psychiatrist that specialize in pain management working on 472 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 4: you in your life, you won't be able to reclaim 473 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 4: your life. And that's hard for us. And I own 474 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 4: a psychiat I own a psychiatric consulting firm, A psychiatrists 475 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 4: all around me, all of them were saying, hey, listen, 476 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 4: you need to see someone and I will and believe 477 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 4: it right, And it wasn't until what what I took 478 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 4: my daughter. I took my daughter to the hair store 479 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 4: and the person there was really rude. I started yelling 480 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 4: at them and then my daughter ran away. She was 481 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 4: afraid of me. 482 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: Wow, And. 483 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 4: That was that was maybe four years into this odyssey. 484 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 4: And at that point. I got a good mental health team, 485 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 4: and what the psychiatrist was able to do was fascinating. 486 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 4: She basically what happens is that you may have a 487 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 4: pain management doctor, you may have an attorneys, you may 488 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 4: have a urologist and a few other folks, and all 489 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 4: of them are giving you different medications. So by the 490 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 4: end you could be taking taking to twenty pills a day, 491 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 4: two three times a day. So what the psychiatrist was 492 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 4: able to do was actually going through all the medications 493 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 4: and say, Okay, that was making you crazy, that was 494 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 4: making you gain weight, Here's what I'm going to do. 495 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 4: And from there, bam, I was able to be myself 496 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 4: about about three or four hours out of the day 497 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 4: I was, and then I was able to put together strategies, 498 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 4: Strategies on how to navigate medical racism, strategies on how 499 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 4: to make money even though I couldn't work, strategies on 500 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 4: how to lose weight even though I was on neds 501 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 4: that made you gang weight, and finally, strategies on how 502 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 4: to thrive even though I was on medications that made 503 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 4: you suicidal. Right and and I was working, I was 504 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 4: I was a volunteer at Senator Raffia Warnock's campaign and 505 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 4: I was there with this minister and we were talking 506 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 4: about this. She said out this anger. She said, you 507 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 4: know what, you got a lot of anger there. Maybe 508 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 4: you should write a book about. 509 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: This whole thing. 510 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 4: And I'm like, hey, maybe what I learned could help 511 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 4: other people. And so that's and that's why I wrote it. 512 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 4: You know, what do you do? What do you do 513 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 4: to navigate medical racism? How do you make money when 514 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 4: you're crying to pain you can't? How do you let's see, 515 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 4: how do you thrive when you're on medication that makes 516 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 4: you crazy? And how do you lose weight when you 517 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 4: run pay medication that makes you gain weight? So that 518 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 4: was why I wrote the book. 519 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: Well, friend, it was an incredible read. How can we 520 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: get in touch with you Jackson? 521 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 4: Okay, that's really get in touch with me is to 522 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 4: go to Jackson dumbar dot com. That's Jackson dumbbar dot com. Uh, 523 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 4: you can even hit me up on I g at 524 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 4: jack fights Racism. 525 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: Wow, now, Jackson Dunbar. 526 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: There's a contact link on your website that they can 527 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: fill out a form and you respond. 528 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 4: To yes, yes, yes, they hit that link and once 529 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 4: they do, if they have any questions about some of 530 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 4: them money and make because I'm really big on investing. 531 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: I'm really big on investing because it might view it 532 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 4: is the only way that someone in chronic pain can 533 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 4: and make money, and it's not as hard as people think. 534 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 3: Well, that's another conversation now, you know. I wanted to 535 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 3: get through this book. I got another guest, incredible guests 536 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: that I want to talk to in this other half 537 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 3: hundred hour. But the most important thing I wanted to 538 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 3: tell this story. If you have time, love to bring 539 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: you back to talk about the investment side of being 540 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: able to apply yourself and not let physicality or chronic pain, 541 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 3: or disappointment or lost dreams stop you from achieving in 542 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: another area. That's another side of your life that I 543 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: thought was really important. But I had never any interviewed 544 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 3: anybody who had an accent like that. Still dealing with 545 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: the pain today, dealt with so much denial. Mister Dunbar. 546 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 3: You incredible. I appreciate you coming on the show again. 547 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: Is tell all book, Race Matters and Pain Medicine by 548 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: Jackson Dunbar Expire and where's that website? 549 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: One more time as we close out. 550 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 4: The interview, Yeah, thank you thinks it's that Jackson dumbar 551 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 4: dot com, that's Jackson dunbar dot com or I g 552 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 4: at jack bites racism. 553 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: We talked to my friends, Stay healthy, Stay healthy. 554 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: Okay, I appreciate you calling in on money Making Conversation 555 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 3: Master Clive