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Speaker 1: Jerry Reinstorp has had an amazing run in two sports

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Speaker 1: as an owner, but it's reasonable to say that his

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Speaker 1: time has come.

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Speaker 2: That's at the inside Scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,

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Speaker 2: good to see you, and I'd like to start with

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Speaker 2: what I think is huge news. I just don't know

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Speaker 2: when it's going to be huge. What was your reaction

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Speaker 2: to what the Chicago White Sox said yesterday about Justin Ishbia,

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Speaker 2: who's already a minority owner of the team, and eventually

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Speaker 2: we'll take over the team as soon as a few

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Speaker 2: years from now, as late as a decade from now.

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Speaker 1: First off, Scott, I'm going to blow the athletics horn

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Speaker 1: a little bit. This was reported by John Greenberg of

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Speaker 1: The Athletic in late February. At the time, the White

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Speaker 1: Sox denied Ishbia would have a path to control. Guess

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Speaker 1: what he has a path to control, and that's what

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Speaker 1: we reported then their denials look at them any number

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Speaker 1: of ways, but they were not truthful in the end.

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Speaker 1: As for the White Sox, it's good news even short term,

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Speaker 1: because it seems like a capital infusion money coming into

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Speaker 1: the team will be part of this equation and that

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Speaker 1: never hurts, but it could be some time still before

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Speaker 1: Jerry Reinsdorf yields control. He doesn't want to yield control.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious. That's why he gave us the statement

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Speaker 1: he did in February. We're not giving up control. But

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Speaker 1: that day is coming. And Jerry is an older guy

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Speaker 1: and now I believe eighty nine years old, and he's

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Speaker 1: still kicking God bless him. But at some point this

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Speaker 1: transfer will take place. It's spelled out in the agreement,

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Speaker 1: and of course we'll see how this plays out.

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Speaker 3: It's because a partial owner has been buying up small

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Speaker 3: pieces of ownership for a little while of other small

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Speaker 3: minority owners of the White Sox. Correct.

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Speaker 1: I believe that is correct.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Eric, is there a chance within this time because

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Speaker 3: of this agreement whatever you want to call it a

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Speaker 3: though Jerry is still the head honcho and the one

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Speaker 3: a say because he is still technically an owner.

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Speaker 1: He is, Yes, and I would expect that he would

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Speaker 1: be included in conversations more than he was in his

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Speaker 1: Now he is a bigger minority owner with this path

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Speaker 1: to control. And Jerry Reinsdorff still olds the ultimate hammer,

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Speaker 1: of course, and he will until he is no longer

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Speaker 1: but certain conversations about the direction of the team going forward.

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Speaker 1: I'm speculating here, but my guess is, rather than involve

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Speaker 1: would talk to him about maybe payroll going to X,

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Speaker 1: along those lines. And again I'm speculating. I don't know

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Speaker 2: Outright, Ken, I'm gonna ask you to put your column

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Speaker 2: hat on for a moment. It is currently twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: Justini Shpia does not have the full power to take

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Speaker 2: It could happen before that twenty twenty nine to twenty

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Speaker 2: How should White Sox fans feel about this news?

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Speaker 1: They should feel encouraged that a transition eventually will take

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Speaker 1: And frankly, Jerry Reinsdorf has had an amazing run in

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Speaker 1: that his time has come and it would be better

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Speaker 1: and I wrote a story to that effect essentially last year,

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Speaker 3: I brought this up yesterday. Tell me if I'm right

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Speaker 3: he's been the proponent, one of the loudest proponents of

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Speaker 3: it's like he's almost like a rogue owner that in

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Speaker 3: this last I got nothing to lose, I'm going for it,

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Speaker 3: totally overthinking that?

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Speaker 1: You're not overthinking the fact that he has been a

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he would have the same influence

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, let's hope that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: There is no reason it should happen, and let's just

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Speaker 4: Switching gears here a little bit. Talking about the Braves, man,

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Speaker 4: what a crazy year so far for them? Not a

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Speaker 1: I do think that can happen, and I wrote as

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Speaker 1: I also use the example of the twenty twenty one Braves,

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Speaker 1: you got to play better. And they have not really

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Speaker 1: really they were five hundred teams. Since then, there's still

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Speaker 1: be repeated. But to see Michael Harris and Azzi Alby's

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Speaker 1: So it was Tom Glavin who said this might be

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Speaker 1: rock bottom. He was their announcer, of course, the Hall

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Speaker 1: I wrote, long season, expanded playoff format, it is endlessly forgiven.

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Speaker 1: Teams can tank for a couple of months, and I

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Speaker 1: mean play poorly, not tank like the Marlins do. It

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Speaker 4: Brian Snicker, is he on the hot seat right now?

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Speaker 4: Is there a a you know, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: I don't expect that they will fire him no matter

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Speaker 1: I know fans don't want to hear there's they're screaming

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Speaker 1: and he's talked about possibly doing this, stepping down, taking

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Speaker 1: time with all managers, really, but there are other things

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Speaker 1: to change and that are not on him. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: It's not on him that Michael Harris has a five

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Speaker 1: that's not really on him either. Now, the mood of

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Speaker 1: Freddie left, Swanson left, Freed left. It's a different group

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Speaker 1: pin this entirely on Brian Stinker. It's easy. It's what

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Speaker 1: Pulis let them all go, right, But when we're talking

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Speaker 1: If you're in an organization forty nine year and you

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Speaker 3: Yep, And they've been the seventh straight playoffs. And another

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Speaker 1: The way I phrased it was is a too comfortable

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Speaker 1: Alexandthop was made deals that most of the industry thought

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Speaker 2: Ken last question and before that, a quick statement, any

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Speaker 2: you got to look at some other organizations. So little psychotic.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, if this team somehow does become a seller

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Speaker 1: Chrisale if you wanted to do it. But I don't

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Speaker 1: to sell. First of all, there's a long way to

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Speaker 1: They're not going to give up that easily. Not saying

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Speaker 2: And twenty twenty one. By the way, those brilliant trades

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Speaker 1: Alex Yeah, exactly. You can question their off season last year.

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Speaker 1: They're off season. They let a lot of people go,

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Speaker 1: didn't really address the bullpen. There weren't many ways other

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a great offseason. I don't think even on

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Speaker 1: Thoughtless would say that, but body of work. Hello, you're

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Speaker 1: absolutely right, Scott. Why don't you look at some other teams,

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Speaker 1: see how they're doing, and see who is running that

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Speaker 2: I mean this as a compliment. I said it on

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Speaker 2: radio show the other day in Atlanta, Braise, fans are spoiled.

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Speaker 2: That's a good thing. You want to be spoiled as

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Speaker 2: a fan. Some fans took that the wrong way. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: try to be many other teams. Ken, thank you. We'll

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Speaker 2: hear you on Saturday on Fox Red Sox looking forward

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Speaker 2: to it, and we'll see you on Monday for fair

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Speaker 2: Thanks Scott. Territory just came out obviously yesterday with a

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Speaker 2: then you'll hear him again on Monday. If you have

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Speaker 2: questions for Ken, by the way, Chap ECC is also

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Speaker 2: a good spot to ask them, and our trustee producer

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Speaker 2: will scoop them up for you,