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Speaker 1: Make sure y'all get that. Now, let's get to this

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Speaker 1: week's episode. This is Mandy be. Welcome to Selective Ignorance,

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Speaker 1: a production of The Black Effect Podcast Network and Iart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Mandy V. Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of Selective Ignorance, the show where we say the quiet

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Speaker 1: parts out loud and leave no hot take unspoken. Y'all.

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Speaker 1: Today we are talking R and B, rhythm and blues

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Speaker 1: right the heartbreak, the bedroom soundtracks, the vocals that make

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Speaker 1: you clutch your chest on the a train, or in

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Speaker 1: your car, or in bed next to the person you

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Speaker 1: probably should be next to you. From the classics that

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Speaker 1: raise us. Yes, I'm talking Mary Usher, Brandy Aliyah to

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Speaker 1: the artist trying to bring the genre back to life.

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Speaker 1: We're unpacking it all the iconic albums, the ones that

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Speaker 1: maybe you consider a bit overrated, underrated, the biggest influences,

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Speaker 1: and the messy question that's been lurking in the shadows.

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Speaker 1: Does R and B still get the respect it deserves

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Speaker 1: or did the industry push it to the side while

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Speaker 1: we weren't looking, or with drank getting your feelings or

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Speaker 1: do both? And let's get into it, y'all. It's another

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Speaker 1: episode where I'm joined by my super producers and listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing over there. Jason over

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Speaker 1: there making all the noise, all the noise, He's he've

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Speaker 1: got it, like hit the table. I'm not in the candles.

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Speaker 1: The candle's going is crazy. We got Jason and then

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Speaker 1: y'all already know we got a king podcast legend over

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Speaker 1: here sitting next to me. I don't know what hot takes.

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Speaker 1: They don't really have. I know, like both of them

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Speaker 1: are like hip hop historians, so I'm really interested, So

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Speaker 1: I'm really y'all like you didn't like the little the

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Speaker 1: little note it was too much sarcasm when I said.

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Speaker 2: I'm a romantic?

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Speaker 3: Are you really You're gonna get to it, Jason?

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Speaker 1: Like, So, when I had the idea to have this conversation,

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Speaker 1: a bit of me was like, do I need to

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Speaker 1: bring an R and B singer in here? So maybe

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Speaker 1: there'll be part two? But I literally was like, wait,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit down with two hip hop heads and

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Speaker 1: talk R and B?

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Speaker 4: Like do these I used to work in five magazine?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm aware, Okay, So then I guess. I guess

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Speaker 1: because the audience is learning some of y'all and y'all

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Speaker 1: know I had a whole music podcast where maybe y'all

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Speaker 1: hated my music text and now I'm a consumer of it,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm a zoomer of music.

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Speaker 1: I've been that way. So I wasn't in you know,

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Speaker 1: the magazines or even blog era for me. I was

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Speaker 1: a sports blogger. So Jason during Vibe, though, wasn't that okay?

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you what I remember about Vibe.

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Speaker 1: I remember Vibe being for rappers and being for only

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Speaker 1: maybe the women in R and B.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember Vibe and Black Entertainment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't remember Vibe highlighting R and B like.

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Speaker 4: That right about Christian, Remember that.

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Speaker 3: Was the Vibe was the R and B portal you

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Speaker 3: had the Source magazine in double XL that covered that.

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Speaker 2: But Vibe was like the other side.

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Speaker 4: Chris Brown's first national magazine cover.

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Speaker 2: They did.

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Speaker 3: Vibe did cover hip hop, but it was definitely more

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Speaker 1: Okay, no, that though, that's major.

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Speaker 4: That's formed people form the Vibe Awards. So I gave away.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's my thing. Right, So as soon as

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Speaker 1: I google Vibe Magazine, it's Jah Rule, jay Z Bust

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Speaker 1: And then yes, you had the Brandy cover. But if

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Speaker 1: I'm still talking about. I don't think that R and

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Speaker 1: you not sure if you were over there. Giving Kesha

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Speaker 1: to go ahead and denounce that right now, because you

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Speaker 1: R and B, you do have Beyonce on here, which

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Speaker 1: like to be fair too, not much love if any

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Speaker 1: two male R and B at all? And so yes,

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Speaker 1: you you did give you you did say, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: it too digital like to where it got scanned and

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Speaker 1: put into the archiveal movie. You are very I mean

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Speaker 2: I would say that the maggot.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And so what point is I got an R and

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Speaker 4: B bag and let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Well what I'm excited to hear it. But that's where

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Speaker 1: I guess when we talk about like the the erasure

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Speaker 1: the impact that we know it had on us even

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Speaker 1: in terms of media, where we're sitting here questioning is

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Speaker 1: it dead now? The fact that I want to lean

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Speaker 1: And so we'll get into that. But you coming from

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Speaker 1: that even King really highlighted more video vixen's than it

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Speaker 1: did anything regarding real music, but hip hop videos essentially, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess, but it highlighted the women, not even really

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Speaker 1: the artists. And so where we want to take this conversation, Jason?

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Speaker 1: I love that now the audience knows you worked at

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Speaker 1: Vibe and did not contribute to Keisha Kesha whatever you having. No,

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Speaker 1: you know what's crazy? Her name is k e Sha.

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Speaker 1: She probably specifically was Kesha because there's no way she

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Speaker 4: There was just no fucking way.

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Speaker 1: She removed that I on purpose if that was even

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Speaker 4: So what do you think is the status. What's the

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Speaker 4: state of R and B right now? According to Mandy,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm.

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Speaker 1: Going to lean into even what we just saw at

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into the not hip hop, but R

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Speaker 1: and B. I think it was very telling that in

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Speaker 1: for the state that we're in now. I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting because and maybe it's the

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Speaker 1: streaming era to blame, and we'll get into that, but

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Speaker 1: radio and outside you're not hearing the R and B.

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Speaker 1: You're just not mind you. R and B used to

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Speaker 1: get y'all ready for your one night's stands, which crazy

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Speaker 1: knowing that casual sex is a thing now and were

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Speaker 1: not getting out of the clubs to the slow jams anymore. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's dead, and I don't want to

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Speaker 1: have the is R and B dead conversation because I

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Speaker 1: think that's a five year old conversation started by Diddy

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Speaker 1: and now to see he probably only did it so

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Speaker 1: you could drop that love album. I'm not mad at it.

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Speaker 1: I just think to where it should relate to us,

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Speaker 1: the classics, like where we had classic albums, which we'll

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Speaker 1: get into too. I don't think we've gotten that for

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Speaker 1: quite some time. I do think it's also interesting too

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Speaker 1: that Leon's mutt has literally been I don't know how.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember the deem Dash used to say that

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Speaker 4: hip hop was cracked and R and B was coke,

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Speaker 4: and one sells fast and one sells slow. It's funny

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Speaker 4: I got to use hip hop stuff to talk about

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Speaker 4: R and B.

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 4: But you know, but R and B is slow burning, right,

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Speaker 4: like interesting, it takes a while to get there, so

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Speaker 4: the Leon Thomas like, I don't think it's that much

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Speaker 4: of an aberration. I think that that's what slow burns

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Speaker 2: But I think there's reasons for that show I get

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Speaker 3: I think there's hip hop and R and B goes

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Speaker 3: through like these ebbs and flows of dominance. What dictates

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Speaker 3: that is the music executives paying attention to that type

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, I think for a long time we've been in

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Speaker 3: copycat culture and R and B, and it was stagnant, right,

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Speaker 3: And it's been a thirst and yearned for two thousand

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Speaker 3: even nineties sound. Hence, while we have contemporary radio stations

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Speaker 3: point there wasn't a full effective transition into now. So

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Speaker 3: we go back to the classics. We go back Mary J.

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Speaker 3: Blige is selling out right. Beyonce, thank God for her.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, no, no, no, no, no, Let's be very clear,

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Speaker 1: and it is going to do not bring Beyonce up

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Speaker 1: in this conversation because her last her last album was country.

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Speaker 1: The album before that was was dance, right, and I

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Speaker 1: think she has become even in her records lean. And

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Speaker 1: I've said this, by the way, I love Beyonce, she

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Speaker 1: has gotten so far from R and B. She is

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Speaker 1: no longer to me even considered R and B. Like

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Speaker 1: you have your dangerously in love even right after that

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Speaker 1: you have Sasha fears Beata eight. Those songs were even

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Speaker 1: more upbeats to where they were more pop records than

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Speaker 1: R and B.

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Speaker 2: But she sings, Okay, But I don't.

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Speaker 1: Think singing makes you R and B. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you can't do that. Singing doesn't make you R and B.

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Speaker 2: But to the point, okay, that's fear and and that's why.

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Speaker 1: The black artist.

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Speaker 4: Okay, rhythm and blues, yes, but out of the hallmarks

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Speaker 4: in me, some hallmarks of what's R and B?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean hallmarks?

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Speaker 4: So he said it's singing, and you're saying it's not singing.

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Speaker 4: Mentioned it as an aside, Mandy, you were mentioning it

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Speaker 4: like there's breakup yearning? Yeah, what's R and B music?

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Speaker 1: I think? I think R and B music to me

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Speaker 1: is something with I think it leads to to two things.

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Speaker 1: I think it leads to either you being horny or

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Speaker 1: you being sad. And I think that there has to

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Speaker 2: If you.

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Speaker 3: Nosic No, Like like in the seventies when when they

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Speaker 1: Look at me. I love it?

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Speaker 1: But emotion, nigga, the plight of the plight of being

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Speaker 4: Thick as men as men, Tin.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, no, that's women. Know, Tina, you're definitely

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Speaker 1: Then so what does because if you're gonna put a

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Speaker 1: Dell in there? Not but what I'm saying that we're

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: You would put Amy wine Houses? R and B.

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Speaker 2: Yes, soul R.

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Speaker 1: But see that's soul that I guess there's I guess

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Speaker 2: Okay, No, I'm saying it's R and B soul.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me? What made you put Adele in

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Speaker 4: Asked?

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Speaker 3: I just threw out a name to ask about to

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Speaker 4: What's your difference between them?

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Speaker 2: Rhythm?

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Speaker 5: Mmmm?

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Speaker 2: She qualifies for.

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Speaker 1: The Can I also say this is crazy? She is

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Speaker 1: often described y'all gonna hate this ship. Hold on, this

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Speaker 1: is this is just what Adele. Adele is often described

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Speaker 2: I never heard that, nigga.

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Speaker 1: You never heard so.

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Speaker 3: Like, yes, okay, but there's no Elvis is that we're going.

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Speaker 1: To I was more like an eighties thing. No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 4: Notes Hall and Oates is blue eyed soul, you know

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Speaker 1: Like that is cool.

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Speaker 4: BG's blue eyed soul.

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Speaker 1: get into. Okay, So where are we going from this?

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Speaker 4: So the reason I was asking you to describe it, Mandy,

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Speaker 4: you literally in like two minutes. But okay, the reason

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Speaker 4: I was describing asking you to talk about R and B,

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Speaker 4: and you said slow and it's something that you feel

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Speaker 4: in your heart emotional right and emotional right. So I

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Speaker 4: know you like Pretty Ricky.

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Speaker 1: First off, By the way, Hot Take out the Gate.

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Speaker 1: Pretty Ricky Blue Stars is a classic album. We will

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Speaker 1: get into it. It is one of the most underrated

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Speaker 5: In Florida of all time across the US of a

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Speaker 5: global So grind on me, yeah, oh no.

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Speaker 1: No, no, let's be fair clear, yes, keep going.

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Speaker 4: So uh pause that for a second. Now, to you

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Speaker 4: a king, what's who's who personifies R and B?

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Speaker 1: T you?

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Speaker 4: Or what's an album that personifies it? By the way.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, that pretty Ricky doesn't it doesn't know you

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Speaker 1: jumped around there, because now now you make it seem

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Speaker 1: like I've done a pretty Ricky personifies R and B.

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Speaker 1: It's only for him.

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Speaker 4: Okay, everybody, this question is for a king, not for Mandy, Okay, because.

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Speaker 2: I personifies R and B when you think what's an

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Speaker 2: R and B?

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Speaker 4: So for me, I would say.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm gonna say all the things I'm right said

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Speaker 3: the album DiAngelo Brown Sugar.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, ready, so a King, let's see brown Sugar.

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Speaker 3: You're trying to describe likes a different type of senson.

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Speaker 3: That's not even that DiAngelo Joe.

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Speaker 1: First, I aint going to hold you know, all of

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Speaker 1: them will make you dick jump or you puts it away.

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Speaker 4: What year did you graduate from high school? Come on?

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Speaker 2: Are you doing this?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna pull a point. It's a fairy I got.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna just say nigga sa late nineties, Nigga perfect.

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Speaker 4: Brown Sugar came out in ninety five, Mandy, what did

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Speaker 4: you graduate fro high school?

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 1: And so what year did two thousand and five?

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Speaker 2: Yesterday? But that Nigga's old.

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Speaker 4: So but my point is I think I think a

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Speaker 1: Why why I disagree with that? Though I disagree with that.

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Speaker 4: Because it's not watched.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm highly enough, I highly disagree with that because

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Speaker 1: That is that to me, R Kelly is to be

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I think a lot of people's.

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Speaker 4: And so I think a lot of times when people equivolate,

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Speaker 1: First time I was fucking and five. First off, give

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Speaker 1: And to be fair, it's why I do listen to

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Speaker 1: But again, still had the emotions, the two emotions that

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Speaker 4: It's a connection even usher that album. There's nothing on

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Speaker 4: that album that I bet you feel like you feel

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. By the way, by the way, I

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Speaker 1: want you to know that grind on Me is actually

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Speaker 1: probably my least favorite record on that Blue Stars album,

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Speaker 1: Like and I can't even say age ain't nothing but

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Speaker 1: time we're in god damn, that can't even fucking like that.

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Speaker 1: But playhouse. We can play house and lay you on

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Speaker 1: the couch. And they even said hunch to.

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Speaker 4: Get a little closer, juicy, call me.

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Speaker 1: If you need some loving for tonight. I'm sorry, do

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Speaker 1: you even know any of these songs?

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Speaker 2: I do, Okay, I don't, so.

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Speaker 1: You know, the next time we're in the car, I'm

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Speaker 1: playing Pretty.

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Speaker 2: Ricky, but I don't listen to Pretty Ricky.

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Speaker 3: They're not in my playlist. But I used to get

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Speaker 3: Pretty Ricky by way of BT, like watching the videos

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Speaker 3: and seeing that stuff.

441
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Speaker 1: You never just turned.

442
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Speaker 4: On Blue Stars after midnight shout out.

443
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: That wasn't even they wasn't even after midnight like that

444
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 1: they was I shot in when You'll be Mike, it

445
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: came on. But I just I think we're gonna get

446
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: into of course, the R and B gods, y'all. I

447
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 1: just want to want y'all to put some respect on

448
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: Pretty Ricky. BlueStars as a classic album as and maybe

449
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: only people who are born between ninety and ninety three

450
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: will fill me on this or maybe only I'm curious

451
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: that even if it's only a Florida thing, but that

452
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: album bro straight through listen. And I think when we

453
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: get into even R and B albums underrated, overrated, and

454
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: how we identify what's a classic and what's not. I

455
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: think skip like non skip value is a thing.

456
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go and listen to that album.

457
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: Please report me.

458
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: That's the other episode.

459
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need you to. I need apparently I'm given

460
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: homework to a king every guy because I'm trying to

461
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: bring the youth back.

462
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 4: Into but many made a good point for people of

463
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 4: a certain era that's a classic to them, and that's

464
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 4: that's the larger point that I want to make because

465
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 4: I think R and B it's emotional music. To have

466
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 4: the emotional attachment, whether it's your heart or your crotch,

467
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 4: it also hairs to a time in your life. And

468
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 4: I think when we think about like what people want

469
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 4: from R and B, you know there are people kind

470
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 4: of reaching back to the youth, right like what I

471
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 4: wanted from R and B when I was young and

472
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: singles different than what I want from R and B

473
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 4: as a married man, right Like, maybe I want now

474
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 4: it's more commitment. Maybe back then I wanted Jodasy, Right.

475
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 2: Now you want jagged edge.

476
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: That's funny, you know, you know what's crazy about that? Though?

477
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: To me, I think the nineties had the biggest influence

478
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: on R and B. And I think we're all going

479
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: trying to reach back to have that feeling again, because

480
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: even when I sit and think, I mean, of course

481
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: we had the boy groups, like even Pretty Ricky is

482
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: probably the last of the boy groups that was two

483
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: thousand and five, But if we go back to the

484
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: one Twelves, the Jodases, the Black Street, like all of

485
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: that was a completely different feel. But it's also what

486
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: pop is missing in that group era, Like don't we

487
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: no longer have the groups? And what's crazy is too,

488
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: I do feel like the women and we can get

489
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: into that topic. The women of the nineties and early

490
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: two thousands in the eighties, if we're including Whitney, gave

491
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: us vocals and that's what we're missing today. We're seeing

492
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: that we're not even having it, like like the live performances,

493
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: we don't have the girls singing anymore, like the only

494
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: bitchy'll here really singing and this is gonna be uh

495
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: is old girl from Wicked Harry and Jennifer Cynthia and

496
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson. The only girls that we are getting singing

497
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: the fun respect name more.

498
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 5: Talk to him, you talk money long, No, you want

499
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 5: to know the way?

500
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: We just get a silence there, calm down. First off,

501
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: Jasmine Jasminy Sullivan. I do want to add, however, Jasmine

502
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: Sullivan came out while I was in middle or high school.

503
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: When is that your car? A Lions, Tigers and Bears?

504
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: So to me, she's hotels, Hotels, Hotels just came out. Yes,

505
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: but so I'm not including I'm talking about the new

506
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: era of the last of R and B artist. That's

507
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: why I went some money longsess someone new like I'm

508
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: thinking of lex but Ari Lennox. I'll be honest with you.

509
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: I think she's more She's more soul R and B.

510
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: So she's definitely Yeah, I feel her as being someone

511
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: that's more. So. I think she's she's incredible too, and

512
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: she's great performing live. But she also has a distinct voice,

513
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: which I like, I'm talking about who we're seeing out here,

514
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: like the fact that Doja Cat is actually a rapper

515
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: but has more like R and B hits over the

516
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Then R and B Stars says

517
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: something too, But.

518
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: That's that's that's how the industry is trending because of

519
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: things the.

520
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: Powers that be have.

521
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: You know, they're only going to cater toward the demand

522
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: when we create the demand, which we're doing right now.

523
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: But I think I think also the demand is also

524
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: the technology of it all too right, because songs are changing, right,

525
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 4: Like I don't know how powers me are kind of

526
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: goofs to me right, Like I think sometimes it's like

527
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 4: because we're doing streaming, because things are being programmed, I

528
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 4: think like songs are shorter so you don't see bridges,

529
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 4: and that's really like.

530
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: Where they get their vocal ability. Well well, also we're

531
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: not seeing the bridges because the bitches can't hit the notes.

532
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're not even giving a chance to try

533
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: to do it. And then even to your point, manby

534
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 4: a really good one like with the groups that that

535
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 4: that that was the thing, songs were made differently because

536
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 4: it's like four people got to get some vocals off.

537
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 4: So like you're gonna get this one like pre bridge,

538
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: you're gonna get this pre chorus. We're gonna all do

539
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 4: this part together, so you're here's some harmony because there's

540
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: not the construction, like the sound of its changed.

541
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: I think the content, I think I think that would

542
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: only be fair to say if we didn't see bulk

543
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: gods actually try to bring the group thing back and

544
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: it didn't work. So TGT like we just had TGT

545
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: essentially come.

546
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 4: They not come. But I feel like it was ego

547
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 4: and it was like the whole like genuine kind of

548
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 4: like to quote a king, malarkey of it all.

549
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: First of all, let's be very let's be let's be

550
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: clear with it. It's why the podcast groups ain't liast

551
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: and it's while I'm sitting here with two super producers,

552
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: like the ego of it all, like we're never gonna

553
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: see groups again because it's not something that I think

554
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: actually works long term, and so the investment that it

555
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 1: costs to literally pay for three to five people. Problem

556
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: with that many people. If we if we think about

557
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: how the A and RS have pretty much become this extinct,

558
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: if we talk about how much touring actually costs with

559
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: the new inflation of the economy, Like unfortunately music is

560
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: gonna take the hit from a scale of groups because

561
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: the investment is so much higher and people ain't working

562
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: for free no more. Like to even see them back

563
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: in the day, what the Backstreet Boys?

564
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: What?

565
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: What? What TLC was even making?

566
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 4: Know who is making money?

567
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: R and B music you don't.

568
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: See but while we don't see them touring either.

569
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: If you was a starter of a group, like you know, manager,

570
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: I think the max you're probably going to.

571
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: Do three three people.

572
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: It's three right, and it's going to cost it's going

573
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: to cost so much. And the people that care enough,

574
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: that's supposed to care enough, the A and rs, they

575
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: don't have the time.

576
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, becauld they want to be celebrities too.

577
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Yes, it's tricky. It's tricky out here.

578
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: It's tricky. But I think that that's why it was

579
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: kind of that's kind of why we got away from it.

580
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: But I want to go back to because I want

581
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: to ask the two of you when it comes to

582
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: R and B, especially because it was mentioned here about

583
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: the vocal ability, is that also a change though I

584
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: feel it is a change across genders, both men and women.

585
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: The way, we we don't have vocalists today compared to

586
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: who we had in the nineties or two thousands and today.

587
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: So like we had the Genuines, we had the Ushers,

588
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: and Usher is still coming back after twenty years, but

589
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: I think his residency helped him there. But it's different

590
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: like today we have and I do believe Leon Thomas

591
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: can sing. But then we have like the people who

592
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm questionable, I'm gonna name them, and I'm just gonna

593
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: say it right here. I think one of the most

594
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: overrated R and B artists of the last decade Bryson Tiller.

595
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: I also think that of who you said earlier, Bretfaiaz,

596
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're strong vocalists. I don't think that.

597
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: It's like the fact that, by the way, I'm just

598
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna say, one of the most overrated albums is Bryson

599
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: Tiller's first.

600
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 4: Abby Come Ones.

601
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: Wait No, I didn't was that Wait? Was that on yo?

602
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: Because people will, oh, no, let's do it right now,

603
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: let's do it right now while we're talking about this thing. No, no, no,

604
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: let's do it right now, because I think it's gonna

605
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna anchor our conversation. And where we think views are.

606
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 4: Right now, but also have a question for you about

607
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 4: what you're saying though, Yes, and this is me like

608
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 4: not even trying to be gray air or whatever. One

609
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: Male R and B and women's R and B is

610
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 4: way different because male's R and B has been fucked

611
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 4: up by hip hop, right, but again because it's been

612
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 4: fucked up by hip hop and their song deliveries one moment.

613
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: Can you explain that?

614
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 4: So, for instance, so Bryson Tiller, right, Bryson Tiller, back

615
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 4: in the day, you would say like, oh, they're doing

616
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 4: like scat singing right like, and now they do like

617
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 4: this like pseudo singing right where it's like Bryson Tiller

618
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: is kind of really rapping, but it's like loosely rapping,

619
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 4: not quite singing. And I think he's the kind of

620
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 4: the poster child for it, but there's a lot of

621
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: other guys that do it. I honestly don't know if

622
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 4: if I use him, I know you can fire back

623
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 4: on me right away, but I honestly don't know if

624
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: song composition and the way that they're making these songs

625
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: is making it so like I don't even really know

626
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 4: if they can sing or not right, like they're in key,

627
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: which is the first part of being singing like they're

628
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 4: in key. But it's not like bryceon Taylor is even

629
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: writing songs in a way where he can do it.

630
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: And then obviously there's elements of like church training to

631
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: go into it that guys don't have any moment. But

632
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: sometimes I.

633
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: Just don't church to hear the story. I'm gonna choir.

634
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: We niggas don't know a Bible, you know what I mean.

635
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 4: But so it's like Bryson Taylor party next door? Uh Uheremiah?

636
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: Uh you know, Eric Bellinger even like you why you face?

637
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: But like Jeremiah is what we do out of him?

638
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean Jeremi.

639
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: It's a good one.

640
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: I like Jeremiah. But we saw on the verses, I mean.

641
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: We saw it.

642
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: We saw even October London, like he wears a suit,

643
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 4: he sings in a way where you think it's classic.

644
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: Does he really have a voice like that?

645
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

646
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: I like him, so I'm gonna I don't know if

647
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: he has that voice.

648
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 4: That voice, I don't know if it's their talent or

649
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 4: it's just the way that they make their songs.

650
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: Now, okay, and now I'm gonna I'm gonna be a

651
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: bit problematic here. So while none of those guys really

652
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: have the voice, unfortunately they have what the Leon Thomas's

653
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: the Oh, let me think of of of a good

654
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: list of really good vocalists right now, because I think

655
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: the issue that we're seeing now as well, and it's

656
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: kind of what we kind of leaned into in terms

657
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: of black film. I think it becomes hard for male

658
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: R and B stars to get the looks that they

659
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: should be getting if they don't have the physical appearance

660
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: which we see for women in hip hop, which is

661
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: what kind of we see with women in R and

662
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: B but not really. But I think for R and

663
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: B stars, essentially from the nineties and early two thousands,

664
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: there was a look women wanted to fuck them. I

665
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: think that we're missing that now because we're wanting to

666
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: get back to vocalists. The vocalists that we currently have

667
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have the look if we think about it,

668
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: and so I think that there was a recipe for

669
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: what that looked like in the nineties and early two

670
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: thousands that has completely just been lost, and it could be, yes,

671
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: the way we listen to music now, it could be

672
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: all of those factors. But I do think that the

673
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: recipe that we had back then, knowing that we can

674
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: no longer have the groups leaning into the looks and

675
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: the vocals. Right now, I feel like we get one

676
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: or the other, but we're not getting both. We don't

677
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: have the sexy guy really, even the thug R and

678
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: B where you o Mario Tray songs like no one

679
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: wanted to. I know I'm sitting here with too much,

680
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: but nobody wanted to.

681
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 6: Fucking that because where he's at today, he was never

682
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 6: attractive because I feel like I feel like women were

683
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 6: more attracted to voice vocal ward too though No, no,

684
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 6: like very very white. If you listen to the other

685
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 6: women of them, they were just like Google, got got

686
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 6: over this guy, right, recipe.

687
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: No, even when Mandy, when you mentioned earlier with the

688
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 4: BT Awards, when they did Secret Garden, like Secret Garden

689
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 4: was Verry White, James Ingram Elder Barge BT on Sage,

690
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: they had Roll James Lucky Day and it's like this

691
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 4: song had voices right like no, no, no, they did voices.

692
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 4: They did those two guys. I think they're both dope.

693
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 4: I don't think they have distinct voices where I'm like, oh,

694
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: I see why they're doing this update. Yeah, I mean I.

695
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: Think it's it's it's interesting because so we saw the

696
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: shift happen, I would say, in the mid early two thousands, right,

697
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: And I want to use this as an example. No shade,

698
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: but boy, should this nigga have been a way ger

699
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: star than he was? Mind you super big but Neo.

700
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: Neo had the best records. But again, back in the

701
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: day when you had to be looked at as fuckable

702
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: or someone that the women wanted, brought them Fadora's and

703
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: the and the forehead and that.

704
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 4: It will he danced too much too.

705
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, I disagree because we loved

706
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: Mario dancing. We loved we loved Chris Browndan.

707
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 4: He didn't make to people music.

708
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Mario was right there. Mario was

709
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: was cute, but did not he was Yeah, he had him.

710
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: They they didn't meet the trajectory that they probably but

711
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: I think.

712
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: Because of looks and unfortunately, like because Mario, let's be

713
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: very clear, sang down. We just saw what he does.

714
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: Let's also be very clear, Neo sings the fuck down

715
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: and has some of the best records of probably any

716
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: R and B star. I'm not gonna lie, he's probably

717
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: one of my underrated as well. Like so we got

718
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: Bryson Tiller, Niggas is overrated. I think Neo is actually

719
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: someone who is and I hate that he's being overshadowed

720
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: with his personal life right now. I think that Neo

721
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: is one of the most underrated R and B performers

722
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: and stars of our generation. And I don't think he's

723
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: going to get his just due unfortunately until he's gone,

724
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: which I hate that. And mind you, he has the athlades,

725
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: but I don't think he won the awards. I don't

726
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: think he got the looks, but I honestly think too

727
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: it was because of his look, which is maybe why execs.

728
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: He talks about how most execs wanted to keep him

729
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: as the pen as the writer, as he was one

730
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: of those like the Dream who came from writing a

731
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: lot of records and then becoming an.

732
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 4: Artist, even for Sexy Love, which is like his big one.

733
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: He talks a lot about how jay Z picked Hype Williams, Yes,

734
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: because he picked his outfit to try to get him close, to.

735
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: Try to get him closer. You see what I had.

736
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: I was about to say what happened with Mario in Neo.

737
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: There was something I needed to see something that year

738
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 3: we're looking at twenty twenty two thousand and six.

739
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: Well, y're you.

740
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: That was an issue.

741
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: But but then let's have some dude. Yes, are we

742
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: blaming also the trajectory because.

743
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 2: We could all right, now parents.

744
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: Well not only appearance Chris Brown complete halt in nine

745
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: because of the Rihanna ship or that was eight and

746
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: that was a nine. All I know is it was

747
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: like my last year of high school. Yeah, crazy right,

748
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: crazy right, But I think that that's almost where we

749
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: saw this ship too. Even kind of Mark.

750
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: He had two years because run it came out in seven.

751
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: You see what I mean, he came out when he

752
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: was sixteen years old. That all happened when he was

753
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: like nineteen and so I think what we also saw was,

754
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and maybe because we could blame hip

755
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: hop again, we saw the era of thug thug R

756
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: and B becoming a thing. And that's when the R

757
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: and B artists did the ship where they wasn't where R.

758
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 4: And B can you tell us throw out some names?

759
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. R and B.

760
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 2: I mean you said the Jahim.

761
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Drew Hill, I think Trey songs that

762
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: nigga came out just got to make it with a

763
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: little broke ass. He was like in his first video,

764
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: he's like this struggling, like like not even struggling because

765
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: he worked a blue collar job, but he was like

766
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: the lawyer's absolutely, boy does thug R and B.

767
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: He got a little soul in him.

768
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: No, no, no, the fact that he at l chigia, what

769
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: do we do? Like if youre throwing some signs while

770
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: you singing and throwing and shouting out your city. Yes,

771
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: it's thug R and B.

772
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: That's gangst the R.

773
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: And bated he predated by.

774
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 4: So that you were talking about the they have to

775
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 4: have the look and everything. Bobby Oh, he's he's the archetype.

776
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: He's the archetype of type rn B.

777
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the precursor.

778
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: To let me be very clear, I don't think I don't

779
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: think Bobby Brown becomes as big as he is, even

780
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: as a solo R and B are is without first

781
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: being a part of that group. Because there were other

782
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: lookers in that group. Help he wanted a looker in

783
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: and then and then he attached himself to fucking Winnie Houston.

784
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, so.

785
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 4: Around whatever, here you go another show.

786
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: What came first? We're not doing that, So what's what's after?

787
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 4: So if there's a certain look that you're talking about,

788
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 4: like the handsome and.

789
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so that's the Yeah, we know that.

790
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: And then there's thug R and B, is there anything

791
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 4: after thug R and B? Because doug ar and B

792
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: is a new look to it. There's a certain look

793
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 4: and and girls still want them. They have their wife

794
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 4: beaters on in their braids. Is there a look after

795
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 4: thug R and B to you where you're like, they

796
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 4: got the voice and girls want to You.

797
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: Know what's crazy? I think that we're in a place

798
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: right now. Oh not me, always wanting to blame patriarchy

799
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: and homophobia, but I think I think we're in a

800
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: place right now where the like even I'm thinking of

801
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: how Roe James dresses and how Luke James dressed, and

802
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: how even who's the other one, Who's who's my guy?

803
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: Lucky day? Lucky Day with? So I think we're in

804
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: this real hyper masculine era where I think they're confused

805
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: with how they want to present themselves or what even

806
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: women specifically their audience. Black women identify as as sexy right,

807
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: Like back in the nineties and early two thousands, when

808
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: we had kind of the thug look. Essentially they were

809
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: wearing baggy ass jeans, jerseys like Jacket Edge, had fucking

810
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: damn near fucking jerseys flipped to the back in almost

811
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: all of their videos, or they were dancing in leather.

812
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: I think we have this idea of black men trying

813
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: to hold onto their masculinity so much that there's even

814
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: a way in which we don't know how to distinguish

815
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: what we like as women unfortunately as the consumer. Right,

816
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: so what is gone? The uniform is gone, but now

817
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, you're either wearing silk blouses, which now

818
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: leads into are you as masculine as we want you

819
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: to be? Also, because you're not even as attractive. Niggas

820
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: don't even got abs no more, so we just watching

821
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: you on a Chloey blouse, or we have them looking

822
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: like the arts He broke thugs.

823
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: Those guys in that era weren't wasn't going to Paris

824
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 3: fashion part okay, and now guys are doing it because

825
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: they have access to that thing now.

826
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: So it's like, well, not only more access. Let's be

827
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: very clear, that's where the fuck they're seeing they checks.

828
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: It's fashion and modeling. They're not seeing there in music anymore.

829
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: The divers I would employ you to consider at some point,

830
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: if Calvin Klin come knocking, you might see Jason roriguez on.

831
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: It's soho with the Calvin Khan underweel on. You know

832
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: my laptop, listen, I do it for the right check.

833
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: Do y'all feel what I'm saying or do y'all agree

834
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: or disagree? Kind of In my view, I.

835
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 4: Like the idea of the uniform and the presentation because

836
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 4: now I'm thinking about like if I see somebody in

837
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: Jordan's male singer and Jordan's I'm like, it takes away

838
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 4: you need hard bottoms or something that there's a uniform

839
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 4: element of it that I do. I think that helps

840
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 4: with like the delivery and presentation to let you know,

841
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 4: like it's that type of R and B that you're

842
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 4: talking about, like I'm begging for you and you can

843
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 4: see it and you can hear.

844
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: It, but it's something that is and I don't know

845
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: if we've really honed down on what that we know

846
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: what the uniform looked like when it was successful, but

847
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: I think that's even a part of today that's an issue.

848
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: Like right rappers, you know a rapper from them all

849
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: the way, like we've the female rappers. Male rappers, you

850
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: know them from them. When you see pop stars, they

851
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: have the ways in which they dress. And I think

852
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: for me, it's been interesting to see the R and B,

853
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: not even for the women. Like so I saw Keisha

854
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: Cole perform. When Keisha Cole performed at Dreamville, she had

855
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: on like a two piece like workout as leisure outfit,

856
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: and then she was in a whole courset for the

857
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: BET Awards. I think we're seeing.

858
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 4: The streamefield when she had the joint where people said.

859
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: The diaper yes, yes, yes, And so the look is gone,

860
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: the vocals are gone, the attractiveness is gone. Everything that

861
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: we could that.

862
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: There's no defined look anymore.

863
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: There's not a defined look. And then I think, unfortunately,

864
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: like we said too, in terms of radio play, value

865
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: is not there. Streaming is quick. You you listen and

866
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: then you forget it unless you're into playlists, and then

867
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: we're not hearing these records outside anymore unless you go

868
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: to which is why it's so popular. I think for

869
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: our generations, right, I say thirty five and up, maybe

870
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: even thirty and up. One of the best nights to

871
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: go out is R and B nights. You have to

872
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: go to an R and B night that actually plays

873
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: those records, because otherwise you're not hearing them.

874
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: Which was because of the lack of R and B.

875
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: You start seeing R and B night, you start seeing

876
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: it like girls love Karaoke.

877
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: All of that is stammed off of the fact that

878
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: this is a little genre that we fucking love that

879
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: brings us and makes us feel good, feel sad, feels horny,

880
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: and we don't get it anywhere else in our scope

881
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: right now, and there's that lack of those same feelings

882
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: coming out in modern day R and B. Because Wallet

883
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: is a great record, Baby I'm a dog Goma, But

884
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: like it's literally now we're listening to the niggas telling

885
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: us they're not ship while back in the day they

886
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: was at least begging us to forgive they ain't ship asses.

887
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: Like now it's even Brent Fayaz. A lot of it

888
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: is toxic, like a lot of them. And that's just

889
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: the song that's Hitten right now.

890
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: I just think that he even in that song, I

891
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: have to go too off.

892
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: But I think he was just identifying an issue.

893
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 4: And I think I think a lot of that like

894
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 4: Drake effect. I think Drake is more, but I think

895
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: he's had more influence on R and B and the

896
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 4: rap and that's what you get. You don't get Bryce

897
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 4: and Teller without Drake, you don't get Thomas, you don't

898
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 4: get Party That without those.

899
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 3: As you mentioned, there are those guys R and B X. Yes,

900
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: so is Drake RB No.

901
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: I think Drake does R and B music.

902
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 2: So is he R and B.

903
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: Because let's be very clear, people were asking him for

904
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: people were asking for album from him. He to me

905
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: is the he would be to me. Like I said

906
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: the same line as Beyonce, He's had a dance album,

907
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: he's had one that lean more towards afrobeat influences. He's

908
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: he's done projects that has transcended him out of one genre.

909
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: So I don't want to include Drake the same way

910
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to include Beyonce. I think, once you're

911
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: an artist that is a global superstar who can literally

912
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: do an album as a whole nother genre because you

913
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: have that much control over your career, you now have

914
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: transcended out of R and B.

915
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 2: You know she just put you see she pulling the paperwork,

916
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: the contract.

917
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: Listen. I need y'all to know I can talk about

918
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: more than just sucking dick. I really, I really know.

919
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: Make sure you but no, Like, these are the conversations

920
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: I really like having because after even see the thing

921
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: is ended, I live on the internet. I still listen, Like,

922
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: outside of listening to pods, I still go to music

923
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: and listen. I have a vinyl record player I just

924
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: put on after I went to Broadway and saw Hell's Kitchen.

925
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: I have a vinyl record player. And I was like,

926
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: now let me go back to Diary of Alice Keys, Like,

927
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: let me go back to Oh my god.

928
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting.

929
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 3: You mentioned that it's been a heavy increase in vinyl output.

930
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: By the way, yeah, fuck y'all because vinyls used to

931
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: be like five dollars, ten dollars. Vinyls are seventy dollars now.

932
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: I hate it.

933
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 3: Like before that company, before we stopped going to that company,

934
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: we won't name it on the show, they start having

935
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: an initiative where they had all this vinyl, even the

936
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: record players crazy, and it's like unfortunate that we don't

937
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 3: fuck with them no more.

938
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: But whatever, Well, it's also unfortunate that supply and demand

939
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: has went to where now even each well, the artists

940
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: are now dropping limited vinyl records right so now, because

941
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: it's a limited thing, they've now become collector's items.

942
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: I love it and I love it, but.

943
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: I thought that I could just go to the goddamn

944
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: record store and get me like like ten to twenty

945
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: albums and spend a couple It's been like one hundred dollars. No, no, no, no, no.

946
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: One album is like seventy dollars. Yeah, I just spent

947
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: seventy And mind you, I love it too because Jake So,

948
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: I've got all of j Cole's albums. He had a

949
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: special limited release of Forest Hills Drive for that anniversary

950
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: and cuping that I was just like, And by the way,

951
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: it's behind you. This is if y'all are watching this

952
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: on video, make sure y'all subscribe to the YouTube channel.

953
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: What you have behind you? I just got that in

954
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: vinyl from Vic Mensa.

955
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.

956
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: Vic Mensa's the autobiography of Vic Mensa. We are not

957
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: talking about R and B. However, he has some R

958
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: and B elements to his album. He has one of

959
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: the best rap albums. Oh yeah, well come on lights please?

960
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: Oh never mind, it says Jason. Otherwise I was gonna

961
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: buy it from you. I want that, but it's it's

962
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: made specifically. But yeah, so back to that, I just

963
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: think where we're where we're currently at is just go by.

964
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: Have you ever bought a CD before?

965
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 3: Nigga, I'm a nineties I'm just trying to reverse I'm

966
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: reverse aging with her question. But would you would you

967
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: participate in that activity today? If they should just change

968
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: and say we're gonna buy CDs again?

969
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: Would you?

970
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: You know? Well, for me, I'm still a part of that.

971
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: Like like for artists that I support, I go to

972
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: the iTunes app and I buy their album because that's

973
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: way more than just streaming the songs are just downloading

974
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: it to your Apple thing. So like, oh, I go

975
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: and pay my twelve ninety nine or nineteen ninety nine

976
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: for whatever album is coming out, Like I'm actually going

977
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: to the iTunes so I bought, uh, like I buy

978
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: J Cole albums. Uh for the artists when I was

979
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: doing uh see. The thing is any artists that I

980
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: genuinely liked her or enjoyed their project, especially because sometimes

981
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: we got to listen to it beforehand. I was like, oh, nah,

982
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: you deserve I'm going to support you and spend my

983
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: ten dollars. And unfortunately, like we're at that era, which

984
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: is why they don't have the money that they they

985
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: once had, You know what I mean?

986
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 4: Really, so, I feel like I got a clear diagnosis

987
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 4: from you on mail R and B. Yeah, is it

988
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 4: just as clear with women? Did you give us a

989
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: breakdown of Yeah? I mean I mean, are or are

990
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: they flourishing? Because I feel like women R and B

991
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 4: is flourishing a lot more.

992
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: I think they're flourishing a little.

993
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 4: Stars are bigger.

994
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: Yes, you know. You know what's crazy about that? I

995
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: actually want to add to the fact that I think

996
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: you know how you said hip hop was essentially a

997
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: quote unquote like a deterrent for male R and B acts.

998
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: I feel like the lack of collaborations with women R

999
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: and B and hip hop is why we're seeing the decline.

1000
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: If we look at the early two thousands, like we

1001
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: had the Alicia Keys, like right beside an Eve, we

1002
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: had a Shanti and Jah rule, We had a lot

1003
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: of the I mean we had the Little Mo. Little

1004
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: Mo really was only spoken about the way she was

1005
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: at the Arab.

1006
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 4: Homegirls name what's her name? I forget about you?

1007
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: No, no, Well, and he did also he did some

1008
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: amazing collase with Miguel Oh my god. But I think

1009
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: that we've missed that collaboration crossover like we had the

1010
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: Kelly Rowlands and Nelly, like we had the Usher and

1011
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: Alicia Keys. Well, those are two singers, but we're not.

1012
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: We're not acknowledging Jo on this. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

1013
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: We're not going to do that. And we're not going

1014
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: to talk about Yeah, now I'm about to be petty.

1015
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about two studs collaborating because

1016
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: that's what they are. We're just not talking about Ja Cole,

1017
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: not Jackole, but jack Queeze right now on this. Well,

1018
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: he pisses me off and how he out here treating

1019
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: my friend? So this be a bias? You feel me?

1020
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: And you want to know what's crazy about that too?

1021
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: He was actually so when he got with with DeAndre,

1022
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: we argued because he he self proclaimed himself as the

1023
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: king of R and B and I think he sounds

1024
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: like this, I hate how he sings. I think he

1025
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: sings through his nose. To me, his vocals aren't vocaling

1026
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: to me, he doesn't get naked enough. He doesn't have

1027
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: the sex appeal. I think so for me, all of

1028
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: those things that I.

1029
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 4: Think you now he projects.

1030
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: Well, nigga, So I'm allowed to spoke.

1031
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 4: When I sing aloud, don't make you us a vocalist.

1032
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: And so when I think of like, but that's what

1033
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But you're going back to like still attractive

1034
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: looking men, like genuine DiAngelo like. There was an attractiveness

1035
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: to them. There was a sex appeal, there was a

1036
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: vocal ability that, which is why I don't associate him

1037
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: to that.

1038
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw out a name, not for sex appeal,

1039
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 3: but just for I believe he has ranged.

1040
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: By the way, look at y'all bringing it back to niggas.

1041
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: He asked me about the women, and now you bringing

1042
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: it back to me.

1043
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I didn't mean. I only did that because

1044
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: I think I think they're great.

1045
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I think they're great. Who we

1046
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: have currently is great, but I think that they're only

1047
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: it's crazy because Coco Jones, I absolutely love and Coco

1048
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: Jones sold out so many of her venues to where

1049
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: she had to write a post and say, hey, guys,

1050
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: wish the Label or Wish Live Nation put me in

1051
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: bigger venues. But R and B acts aren't able to

1052
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: really even do the bigger rooms. Like I've been seeing

1053
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: el Varner. She's been touring around the city wineries for

1054
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Melanie FIONI, Melanie Fiona is

1055
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: the same way, and I think I mean money long.

1056
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: She did a phenomenal job opening up for Chris Brown

1057
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: on the last tour summer, Walker's opening up this year

1058
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: for the Breezy Bowl. I think it's just interesting because

1059
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: we're not seeing those headlined women tours unless they're attached

1060
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: to a mega superstar, a rapper like Kendrick. Even though

1061
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: Cia did go on her own arena tour last year,

1062
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: which was phenomenal.

1063
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 4: What she took two out, it was like Mary lam A.

1064
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 4: This is like three years ago.

1065
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: It was like Mary l Ay, and I thought it

1066
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: was interesting. Even I just went to jenae I Eko's

1067
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,479
Speaker 1: uh something hour Glass tour, but she had she had tink,

1068
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: she had coy Leray and I forgot the other opener act.

1069
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: But I think it's just I don't know. I just

1070
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: think it's interesting how the R and B bills have

1071
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: to be multiple people or legacy acts like and it's

1072
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: why we're still getting the n vogues and the escapes

1073
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: and those still touring and doing things because those are

1074
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: our vocalists.

1075
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 3: Well, if you had to curate a tour, Oh, if

1076
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 3: I had to curate it, what would be.

1077
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: Wait for R and.

1078
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 3: R and B women, Mandy Fest? Did Mandy Fest selectively

1079
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 3: ignorant R.

1080
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: And B R and B women? You know what's crazy?

1081
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: It would be it would be something similar to what

1082
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: we're seeing with the Millennial Tour with those acts. So

1083
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: I think I would do.

1084
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 4: But give me give me a give me a headliner, oh,

1085
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 4: a pre headliner and then two opening acts. Just give

1086
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 4: me four full the two opening acts, who's the setup

1087
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 4: and then who's the headliner?

1088
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: If I'm doing like a legacy like kind of what

1089
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: I want to do, I think opening I would put

1090
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: Ari Lennox, Coco Jones, those as the openers. And then

1091
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: for me and I know we we just brought up.

1092
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: I like Keisha. I think Keisha Cole is the epitome

1093
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: of early two thousands, R and B ooh. I think

1094
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: her vocal ability is better than Ashanti, but I like

1095
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: Ashanti's discography as well, But I don't know if we

1096
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: get a Shanty without also joa Rule coming out, like

1097
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: I think for most of Ashanti's discography it was dependent

1098
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: on her collapse with hip hop right, So I don't

1099
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 1: even know if she's someone that I would consider doing

1100
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: something without. And it's what we're seeing too, like every

1101
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: time she comes out. She got a Nelly Byrs, she

1102
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: got a jaw Rule buyers, she got you know what

1103
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: I mean? And I love her to death. I don't

1104
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: know if Alicia Keys has the vocals right now to

1105
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: where I want to see her live. I think she's talented. Damn.

1106
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: That's a tough one because again I'm removing the Beyonces.

1107
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: We no longer have a Whitney.

1108
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: So you're gonna go. I know only one place to go.

1109
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: Where are you going?

1110
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: If you don't want to do Alicia, you got to

1111
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: go Mary?

1112
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: But Mary's touring currently.

1113
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm just saying if it was your yours.

1114
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: But it's weird if it's mine too. I mean, if

1115
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: I do a whole woman's festival, I'd have everyone on there, everybody.

1116
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: But it's also weird too because I think Mary is

1117
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: more nineties. Like if I do Mary as a headliner,

1118
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: then I would bring Escape Vogue, maybe Black and I

1119
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: know I think one or two of them passed, but

1120
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: it would be that era. Like if I'm doing early

1121
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: two thousands New Brick, I mean, then, but then that's

1122
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: the thing. Then we're spanning over the last thirty years.

1123
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, No, for fest of all, there's plenty of

1124
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: There's plenty of people I would I would add, but

1125
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: I think that.

1126
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 3: That's what we're speaking all of this for a reason

1127
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: to put it, you know, by the way, somebody's going

1128
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 3: to hear this, Okay, by the way, I.

1129
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: Love her music, love her album. You know who I'm

1130
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: not invited to two women not being invited and I

1131
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: love her. I don't even don't make this a clupe.

1132
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: This is only for the listeners. After after Tiny Desk

1133
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: and after b E t A. Marie no longer invited

1134
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: and I've been wanting her to come back, and now

1135
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: it's okay, Oh yeah, everything and then also Tierra Marie,

1136
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: which which for for God bless Yeah, those two in

1137
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: terms of when we look at early two thousands, how

1138
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: they were literally pedestaled right next to the Beyonce, the Rihanna, Like,

1139
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to see that. You know where they're

1140
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: at now. But I think after seeing a Marie live.

1141
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 4: You can I ask you some other artists. Yeah, there

1142
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 4: is a newer artist, Queen Nija. Like Queena's music.

1143
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: You don't always talk about thug R and B. She

1144
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: makes like hood booger R and B like for the

1145
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: hood booger bitches like, and there is because I do think,

1146
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: but but you know what's crazy? Hold on? But do

1147
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: you know who makes the same music, who has accelerated

1148
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: way beyond Summer Walker?

1149
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 4: Okay?

1150
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: And so to me knowing that they make to me

1151
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: the same type of music to me, they make hood

1152
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: booger insecure bitch music like like it's not empowering their

1153
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: crying over like yeah, yeah, are you kiddy? Hold on?

1154
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: A product of the machine, my nigga? Do you not

1155
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: see her baby daddys right now? Do we not see

1156
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: what Summer Walker's selection and men has been. Have we

1157
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: not seen Queene.

1158
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: Figure it out?

1159
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Cool? And then they make music for the bitches

1160
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 1: still trying to figure it out? Who want to lean

1161
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: to the man who suck.

1162
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: They're not gonna begs for the rest of their days.

1163
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: They're trying to You know, it's crazy though, hold on,

1164
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: you want to know what's crazy though? As the consumer,

1165
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: guess what? We hate seeing an evolved bitch. We hate

1166
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: when the bitches get happy. When Mary J. Blige wanted

1167
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 1: to start singing about, uh, what's this drama? No no, no, no,

1168
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: no more, drama's fine when she was singing like the

1169
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: happy upbeat ship, It's like, girl, we don't want to

1170
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: hear that ship. When I would even say who else?

1171
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: Who else? There's a couple of bitches that won't say

1172
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: got me. By the way, happy is my least favorite

1173
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: record from Ashanti Thank You. I hate it. I think

1174
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: that again because when we go to R and B,

1175
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: we're looking for two emotions, and I don't think happy

1176
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: is the emotion that we're looking for. When we go there,

1177
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: hot in Horny, Hot Saturday, the yearning.

1178
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sad and horny feel when they're going for it.

1179
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: And so yeah, that's kind of where where I don't know,

1180
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: I think that's where it is for me personally. Do

1181
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: you like Clo Soul? I love Clio's first of all

1182
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: Clio Soul.

1183
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 4: She took over my timeline when she was doing her run.

1184
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: Clo Soul, and I like some problem. I like Sabrina Claudio.

1185
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: I like Daniel Caesar. Who's the other other girl that

1186
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: I really really like? Oh, she was with rock Nation,

1187
01:00:54,880 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: looks like Cleo Solah Love. So those are bitches that

1188
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: I put on when I'm ready to find like you

1189
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean, there's a there's a thing there.

1190
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: And by the way, I can't get out of this

1191
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: without speaking to Frank Ocean because Wow, I think when

1192
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: I think of and for us, it's not an overrated album.

1193
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's not an underrated album because I think

1194
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: we know what Gennel Orange is and has done for

1195
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: us in terms of how we view like a good,

1196
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: full piece of work. But I don't think it's gotten

1197
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,959
Speaker 1: the recognition globally or even award wise that it should

1198
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: have gotten.

1199
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 3: He's a naic, dynamic artist and I think, yeah, he

1200
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 3: is the definition of where the fuck is the next album?

1201
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 3: He's one of the most anticipated artists that we.

1202
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 4: Has become the new D'Angelo.

1203
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: He's actually been a person that I've seen cure homophobia

1204
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: just a little bit in our community, like they're looking

1205
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: over the fact that some of the songs he's singing

1206
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: to men, and but it's because of what he's been

1207
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: able to put out with Channel Orange. I'm curious to

1208
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: if he comes back out, if we have that same

1209
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: emotional attachment to something new. I'm curious, especially seeing that

1210
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: he gave us his as to kiss without showing like

1211
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: he was the one who didn't show up at Coachella

1212
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: or something last year. Right, So I'm just curious to

1213
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: know if I think we're a little bit too invested

1214
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: with the personal lives of artists now as well and

1215
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: our treatment towards them, which is why we see fucking

1216
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: Lauren Hill ruining her legacy with her lateness or tardiness

1217
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: or absence from showing up and being on time for

1218
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: her fans ruined. I think it's ruining. I think the

1219
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: same way Kanye West is ruining his legacy. I think

1220
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: I know it's a lot, but I think that there

1221
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: is a treatment or expectation that we have from these celebrities,

1222
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: not only from output or performance, but to show up

1223
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: when we were spending our hard earned dollar in a

1224
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: motherfucking reception.

1225
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 3: I don't think people was not support Lauren. I think

1226
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 3: she's still sell out. She's still she's still that chip

1227
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 3: mind you.

1228
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: And it might be only two because we don't hear

1229
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: her talking right now. We're only just mad that she's

1230
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: not showing up. If we get into maybe her thoughts

1231
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: and views on where we're at from a political landscape

1232
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: and things like that, I think it could be a

1233
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: little tricky.

1234
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Frank the Frank Ocean one is interesting, Like

1235
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 4: when D'Angelo was gone for a while and he came

1236
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 4: back like a ten years ago at this point with

1237
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 4: Black Messiah, like yeah, crazy, and I also felt like

1238
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 4: grateful it, like he got he had another one in him, right,

1239
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 4: we got to experience that and hear that, and because

1240
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 4: we didn't know, I think Frank can I would be

1241
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 4: curious to see if you would kind of get that

1242
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 4: he's been going for so long and then come back

1243
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 4: and still have be able to tap into some type

1244
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 4: of emotion and the way that like Dangelo was when

1245
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 4: he did it did that album, that's Black Masia album,

1246
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 4: I would say was underrated if we if we do

1247
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 4: our categories, I would say that's an underrated one.

1248
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: Okay, do y'all before we get out of here. Do

1249
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: we want to say any overrated?

1250
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 4: You know what, it's just two good songs, That's what

1251
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 4: I was going to say. A genre.

1252
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: It's not a genre, no, and don't that's it like

1253
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: as a record too, like hm.

1254
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,919
Speaker 4: Hmm, all of me great?

1255
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: The rest and look there we go.

1256
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 3: And for those artists listening and the people out there,

1257
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 3: don't get any your feelings were all music fans, and

1258
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 3: we do have likes and dislikes just like you do,

1259
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 3: just like you do.

1260
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 1: Let's be very clear.

1261
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 5: I am.

1262
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not an author, and I'm feeling it. Mind you.

1263
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't take like podcast comments that seriously, like because

1264
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: clearly I'm coming up here and i'm and I'm I'm

1265
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: showing up and sharing my opinions. Baby, reading reviews about

1266
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: what I consider art, which is a book that took

1267
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot, which is it's a lot of me that

1268
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: I poured into it. Seeing reviews on a book is

1269
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: now I know how people feel about putting their art,

1270
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: soul or real life like experiences into music in an

1271
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: album and then people being like, yo, that shit was

1272
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: fucking ass, you know what I mean? Like, so I

1273
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: get it, and I know, like I have to now

1274
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: figure out how to receive critique while also giving it.

1275
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't think that album is bad, but

1276
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 4: I do think it's overrated. And again Trap Soul is not.

1277
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 4: It's not as defining as people try to make a

1278
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 4: team two amazing songs.

1279
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my overrated What what what do you

1280
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: have any overrated or underrated?

1281
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 2: I have a big underrated.

1282
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: What's a big underrated.

1283
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 2: As dope as he is as accolades.

1284
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: If he's he's gotten in reference, I believe that Music

1285
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 3: Soul Child's entire discography underrated.

1286
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: I agree.

1287
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:47,919
Speaker 2: I think the dude is.

1288
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 3: I always have these arguments about him versus D'Angelo and

1289
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 3: who's the king of R and B A neo soul

1290
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 3: rather well and.

1291
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: Anthony Hamilton because that's what we saw in verses. You

1292
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: know what's crazy, I'm not putting Wait, you want to

1293
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: know what's crazy about that too? I think no, no, no,

1294
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't put him before he did. I think what

1295
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: I hate about it, especially today seeing it Anthony Hamilton's

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Speaker 1: vocals outshine Music So Child, which I think to me

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Speaker 1: leads to the public not respecting the discography currently of Music.

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Speaker 4: So Child he's a better writer. Music is a better writer,

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Speaker 4: way better.

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Speaker 2: But I think I think I think Music show Child's

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Speaker 2: a better listen though.

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Speaker 1: This subjective. Yeah, I could go, but I.

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Speaker 3: Like Hamilton is like It's like when we talked about

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Speaker 3: any other episode.

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Speaker 6: The slave it is given slaves when you hear the story,

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Speaker 6: sen isn't slave.

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Speaker 2: Music don't do I'm in Alabama and trying to get

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Speaker 2: out of oppression. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: It's a good music album.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Anthony Hamilton. I'm just positive album. Oh

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Speaker 2: all of them.

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Speaker 3: Ship just just want to listen. I just want to sing.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, just listen. I just want to sing. Bro

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Speaker 3: even the more recent except for the thing he tried

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Speaker 3: to do when he was fake rapping, that was more

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Speaker 3: of an experiment. He was upset that nobody was listening

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Speaker 3: to R and B, so he said, I'm gonna start

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Speaker 3: doing auto tune shit. People actually thought he was He

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Speaker 3: wasn't investing into it, but he just did it because

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Speaker 3: he's like, yo, I don't want to do this. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna do the robot shit because nobody want to hear singing.

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Speaker 1: I do want to I do want to add an

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Speaker 1: album that is this I've kind of seen as a debate,

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Speaker 1: but I would like to put it is underrated. But

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Speaker 1: it's only because he's one of those with such a

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Speaker 1: classic album that I think it's been overstepped even today

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Speaker 1: with him retoring Usher's eighty seven oh one. What I

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Speaker 1: think I think is underrated by the way, not otrated.

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Speaker 1: And I only say that it's underrated because people lean

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Speaker 1: more heavily into my way. And of course Confessions, and

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Speaker 1: I think the eighties seven oh one actually actually and

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Speaker 1: eighty seven o one came out in one, Confessions came

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Speaker 1: out in four. I'm surprised that eighty seven oh one

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Speaker 1: didn't catapult his career more than Confession, like eighty seven

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Speaker 1: o one, those records, the music on there, like the features.

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Speaker 3: That I was supposed to get Confessions in that trajectory

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Speaker 3: until maybe seven years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That's how is the fact that even it was

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Speaker 1: only a three year span, but when Confessions came out,

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Speaker 1: it completely overshadowed and removed eighty seven oh one for

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Speaker 1: what the masterpiece it really was. But you might be

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Speaker 1: right maybe because there was only that two to three

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Speaker 1: year gap between them, is why eighty seven o one

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Speaker 1: got kind of pushed to the back, but I love

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Speaker 1: eighty seven on one.

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Speaker 4: Oh my God, Ryan Leslie's debut album, Oh how can

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Speaker 4: we forget Yo Dame?

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Speaker 1: But I say no, Ryan Leslie used to be one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite heavy rotation favorite. He has some bops

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Speaker 1: and I mean, clearly now with the Diddy trial, we

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01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: know what happened with his career. Did he stepped on

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Speaker 1: that ship, That's what it had to be.

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Speaker 2: But he recovered elsewhere in tech, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He recovered it well. And he's the one who I've

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Speaker 1: been really enjoying listening to post his career talk about

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Speaker 1: the importance of email lists and direct to consumer and

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01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: things like that. He's he's really smart and in that aspect. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know who we forgot. Clearly we we could

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Speaker 1: have really leaned into. I mean, I think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to do a part two of this, honestly, three

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01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 1: four might because we didn't get into when when Tank

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Speaker 1: came on to decisions decisions, he had his Mount Rushmore.

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01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: We have also the conversations of the r. Kelly's, the

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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's, the Ushers, the Chris Browns, like where we

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01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: put all of those people, and also if if Michael,

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01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: why Michael Jackson is also the blueprint for these R

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Speaker 1: and B stars when Michael Jackson is a pop star again,

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Speaker 1: not really R and B, but that's what.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like the eighty seven oh one Confessions, because

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Speaker 4: the album before Thriller was like the R and B

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01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 4: disco kind of like mix. It's tough, man, it's tough

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01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 4: get Once you get big, stardom demands a different thing

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Speaker 4: from R and B.

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Speaker 2: And who they work with too.

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Speaker 3: We'll be working with a guy like Quincy Jones, right,

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01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 3: the arc is higher now. It's like, all right, you

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Speaker 3: did this, you accomplished this. It's like the Beyonce conversation,

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Speaker 3: like you consider her above and beyond with R and B.

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Speaker 1: Offers, Yeah, but only because she's transcended genres. You know

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01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: who is probably the epitome of R and B and

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01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: just released a new song and it's like, oh, bitch,

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01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: you're the same bitch from ninety Mariah Carey. She's she

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01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: never left R and B even when she came in

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01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: and sung the vocals with on some of the hip

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01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 1: hop records. She is R and B through and through

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01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: with her biracial ass, like it never really that's a fact,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And she never left it.

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01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: Let's give her like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like like she from from bush start to the

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Speaker 1: emancurpation of Mimi. Even when she did the song with

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01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: uh uh well odb is when I said she kind

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Speaker 1: of leaned into the hip hop but she even but she.

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Speaker 2: Was singing the.

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Speaker 1: She gave you R and B And so I think

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Speaker 1: she's the only, like she's the only mega superstar that

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01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't think ever really removed herself from that R

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Speaker 1: and B genre she's given us.

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Speaker 4: I think the whiteness let her do that too.

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Speaker 1: Yo, you you can't even say that we're not allowing

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Speaker 1: adele In's R and B bro.

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Speaker 4: No, because look like I'm abrast on this conversation with

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 4: an r that worked for an usher, right, and he says,

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01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 4: how do you a and R usher? And I'm like,

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01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 4: all right, like you can do like uh this relationship

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01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 4: narrative and this and that, like thinking different ideas and

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01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 4: he's just like hits. He's like he's a superstar. He's

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01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 4: like it doesn't matter, he just needs hits. And so

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Speaker 4: I think that's what you get with like the Beyonces

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 4: and the Ushers. They just need hits, and and that

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01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 4: makes them away further and further from the R and B.

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01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 4: They made us love them kind of in the first place.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes and no, because I only think Confessions

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01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: gets as big in the notoriety that it does because

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Speaker 1: of his relationship at the time to Chile, and it

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Speaker 1: being that we knew that music, mind you, apparently that now,

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01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: apparently Brian Michael Cox is saying that that was like

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01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: his story. This wasn't even usher story. Jermaine Dupriest said

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Speaker 1: it too, And so the idea that this music was

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: so big because we thought it was some rip between

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Speaker 1: what we viewed as black love at the time. By

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Speaker 1: the way, boy has have our black love examples been

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Speaker 1: really interesting? Fucking Bobby and Whitney, Chili and Usher. Now

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01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: we fucking see the endings of Pat poosin fucking Little

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01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: uh Remy mind, it's just interesting our black even Jada

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01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: and will we see what their relationship. Our black love

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01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: examples are really interesting. I want to know why we don't.

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01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: I want to see what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Here you go, I set week.

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Speaker 1: Bro, literally, I'm curious to know. I really love these

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01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: types of conversations because I think it leans us to

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01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: dive into the nuance, but also really lean into public perception,

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01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 1: how we're consuming things, how we're seeing it shift our

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01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: view and thinking or consuming, and really the impact that

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Speaker 1: it's having on our faves, on our celebs, on the

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01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: money that not only we're spending, but the money that

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: they're receiving as artists. We'll definitely have to do a

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Speaker 1: part two in this, and I think I think the

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01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: next time we do a part two of this or

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01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: any type of conversation like this, I got to bring

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01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: in some of my some of my friends, like industry

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01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: friends to have this conversation. I would love to get

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Speaker 1: him in. I mean, but we're in Atlanta. There's a

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01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: ton of there's a ton there's tons of R and

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01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 1: B artists here, or we do it when we go

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01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: back up to New York. I can definitely have real

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01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: James pull up. But yeah, we got to get into it.

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01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: I would love to know your thoughts on this. I

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01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: don't know if it was as ignorant as it was,

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01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: but I think we were definitely leaning into the public

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01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: opinion on certain things our own opinions. Okay, that was okay,

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01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: I forgot to say it that I forgotta say that. Okay,

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01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: I got okay. Well, you could choose to love it,

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01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: you could choose to hate it. You can choose to

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01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: listen to these ugly niggas if you won't. If you

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01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: haven't yet, make sure you purchase no holst bar to

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Speaker 1: doing Manifesto, Sexual Exploration and power out. Now go ahead

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Speaker 1: and follow me everywhere. See where I will be in

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Speaker 1: a sitting near you for sure, and you know, shout

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01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: out to us having a new home baby over here

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Speaker 1: on a Black Fact network. Now you can hate it,

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01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: you can love it either way. Are you choosing to

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Speaker 1: be selectively ignorant or are you choosing to get educated?

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Speaker 1: See y'all next week.

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Speaker 3: Oh one more announcement, look out for the Selectively Ignorant

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Speaker 3: R and B playlist created.

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Speaker 2: By Mandy B.

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Speaker 3: That she don't know that she's gonna do, but we

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Speaker 3: gotta get her to do it here. I'm gonna help

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Speaker 3: her out, So you look out for that.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, Come on, We dropping playlist for y'all. All right, bye, y'all.

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