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Speaker 2: I'm going to introduce Jake Rodemacher, who has created Brothers

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Speaker 2: at War, Brothers After War. He's a producer, a director.

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Speaker 2: Somewhere in there it says he's an actor, and so

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Speaker 2: his documentary and you are a rockstar to me right now.

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Speaker 2: And then also on the screen is Gary Sinise from

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Speaker 2: of MYSA Men the Green Mile Theater. Oh my Gosh

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Speaker 2: Forrest Gump. Lieutenant Dan, Lieutenant Dan band who goes and

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Speaker 2: only imagine what Lieutenant Dan could play on you play

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Speaker 2: the bass, right, Lieutenant Dan. Welcome Gary Semis and welcome Jake.

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Speaker 3: Thank you thanks for having us today.

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Speaker 2: Wow where do I start? Okay, Well, first of all,

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Speaker 2: Lieutenant Dan, may I call you Lieutenant Dan for a moment. Yes,

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Speaker 2: when we first start talking, You're like, are you wear

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Speaker 2: of that bad Dana? Like Lieutenant Dan? And I was like,

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Speaker 2: magic legs, Lieutenant Dan through the desert. Yes, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I'm tired. I think I'm done now. You know, Gary,

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Speaker 2: to you. Let's just say that I'm a big fan

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, Isaac and Joe came back from Fallujah

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Speaker 2: You know, I noticed that there was a budget, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, And so you got into this, I mean,

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Speaker 5: That's right, look that you know.

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Speaker 6: I was getting involved with a lot of other military

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Speaker 4: And Gary and I want guys not just survive, We

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Speaker 4: He's like given permission to almost a generation of warriors now.

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Speaker 6: with brothers after war.

437
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Speaker 2: Well, that's commendable. I love it. I love the message.

438
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: You know. I've had people reach out to me late

439
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: at night with demons, you know, they hit me up

440
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: through the Instagram and I'm like, my wife's like, who

441
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 2: are you talking to I'm like, I'm not sure. I

442
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 2: think I know them. I don't know if I know them,

443
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: but right now I'm gonna act like I am there

444
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: for them. And you know, you don't know if you're

445
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: walking that person off that ledge or not. And I

446
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: just was always taught to, like, you know, help your

447
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: neighbor out, My mom and dad, good people kind of attitude.

448
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: And so that's the same thing. You know, all my veterans,

449
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: all my people that get on the show, everybody that

450
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: listens to this, you know, they all have a value

451
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: and a worth and they've we've all gone through trauma.

452
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: And even if you like even Jake, Jake, you went

453
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: to war, right, I consider that a veteran, you know,

454
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: and that you saw things, you deal with demons. You

455
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: know you're editing it. You're editing consistently. Do I want

456
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: to put this in? Do I not want this in?

457
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 2: Do I need to show this? Probably need to show this.

458
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: And that might have blood involved things like that. I mean,

459
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: you know, you talking to your brother and him telling

460
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: you that maybe one of his first wife or second

461
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: wife whatnot took him off that ledge, stopped him from

462
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: you know, that extra half pound that he was just

463
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: right there. Bros. A sniper instructor knows the trigger knows

464
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 2: the sensitivity against his fingertip understands every single aspect of

465
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: what he's about to do clearly with a like. So,

466
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in freedom of choice. I can't

467
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: stop everything, but I can only tell somebody that you're loved,

468
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: And if you want to feel love, just hit me

469
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 2: up and I'm here to respond back to you. And

470
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: you know, I really love how your brother opened up

471
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 2: about that and the vulnerability that these soldiers are giving

472
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: themselves or what am I trying to say. I think

473
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: that they're just opening up and just willing to shed

474
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: a tear about a story. And when you see them

475
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: starting to write at your workshops and they're just writing

476
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: out something and they're just going and going and going

477
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: and going. They all made them go with to Fallujah

478
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: together or Mosul or Afghanistan, but each one of them

479
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: has a different thread that wove all that together.

480
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Speaker 4: Well one hundred percent right, And like Gary said, you know,

481
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: we want to proactively get in front of people. You know,

482
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: another thing that's really special, frankly, and I was passionate

483
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 4: about it, was I've been doing workshops for years. We're

484
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 4: going to do workshops well into the future. Gary Sneaks

485
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 4: Foundation sponsoring forty of them around the country for the

486
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: next year.

487
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: We got a big calendar comping up.

488
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: But I love that you can go on your Xbox

489
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 4: and find the film. And we also released in movie

490
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 4: theaters and we wanted to do create community with that,

491
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: and a lot of that's came and saw it together.

492
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: But it's really nice that people can see it in

493
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: their own living room because we know that tens of thousands,

494
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: if not hundreds of thousands of veterans and civilians who

495
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 4: want to know more about our veterans who want to

496
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: have a better understanding already have some empathy, but maybe

497
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 4: want a deeper, richer understanding of that experience so they

498
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 4: can you know, we've had people already reach out and say,

499
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 4: I've been married for twenty nine years. I saw the film.

500
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 4: It helped me understand my husband better. Now imagine that.

501
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a beautiful thing about having the film

502
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 4: available for people to watch in their own living rooms

503
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 4: and to experience and to reflect and contemplate on whether

504
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 4: it's their own experience, or their neighbor's experience, or their

505
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 4: husband's experience.

506
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: And we made the film because we want we know the.

507
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: Movies make tough subjects easier to talk about, and we

508
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 4: want people to talk about their experiences.

509
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: And one last thing I want to say is you

510
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 3: said something really important to the beginning of the interview.

511
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: The film is very approachable and manageable, and even though

512
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 4: we get into some of these tougher topics, we also

513
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: have a lot of humor and we present a very

514
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 4: well rounded view of our veterans. So Derek, who's mourning

515
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 4: the loss of his friend of Memorial Day, is also

516
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: throwing me out of the side of an airplane because

517
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 4: he's also an adrenaline junkie that looks like a Viking.

518
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 4: And that's part of his story too, right, I know,

519
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: And that goes.

520
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: Throughout the entire film.

521
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: And the film has a lot of solution and a

522
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 4: lot of ways these veterans have navigated some of these

523
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: difficulties that all veterans face to get to the next place,

524
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 4: and has a.

525
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: Lot of hope.

526
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Speaker 4: And I just think that's an important thing to point

527
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 4: out to your listeners and something that Gary and I

528
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 4: were very passionate about in making this film. You know,

529
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: he's got veterans in his own family. I obviously do

530
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: my sister's actually actively serving. My nephew is still serving.

531
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: You met him in the film, and we wanted to

532
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: present these people that we know holistically, so you get

533
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 4: to see them and see what great people.

534
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: They are, you know. To piggyback on the captain's daughter

535
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: in the documentary when she shed her tears after she's like,

536
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: my daddy went six times, deployed six times, and she's

537
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: having nightmares about him not coming home from the desert.

538
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: You know, I just thought about my dad being a

539
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: Green Beret and I was just a young ten or

540
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: eleven year old while Mom watched me at home. Mom

541
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: was also dad at home and took me to baseball practice.

542
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: Dad was deployed for six to nine months at a

543
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: time and then would come home. You know, total hot deployments,

544
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: you know, these special operation lifestyles. And so your brother

545
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: eighty second Airborne, you know, officer lieutenant colonel, did he

546
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: retire as a lieutenant colonel?

547
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: He retired as a lieutenant colonel.

548
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: Dude, that's a boss, bro, you know. And to see

549
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: his eyes think about his kids when he's gone for

550
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: six months, gone for ten months, got to go again,

551
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: got to go again, And made me think about my

552
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: own dad thinking those same things. Probably I never asked

553
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: my dad that before he passed, like, hey, you know,

554
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: what was it like to have to leave us kids behind?

555
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: You know, because no one ever made a big deal

556
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: like Mom always had it under control. That's why she

557
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: hangs with him on the mantle because she's just as

558
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: special operations as he was. You know. Shout out to

559
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: the moms and everybody that helps and the supporting team

560
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: at home, right. And I was talking to my wife

561
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: about that. I said, you know, some people can't handle

562
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: their husbands being gone for six weeks. Imagine if they

563
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: were deployed. But then we said, well they would be

564
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: in the world of the military and there would be

565
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: a support group, hopefully around those other families that needed

566
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: that support.

567
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes the support is there. I have to tell

568
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: you that. I'm sure you dad felt that way.

569
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 4: I've done these workshops for so long that that moment

570
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: from the first film when Isaac comes home and doesn't

571
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: recognize you know, his daughter doesn't recognize him, and you

572
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 4: see that look of pain on his face and you

573
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: see him crying. You know, fifteen years later, when I

574
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 4: come back to that moment, saying it takes six months

575
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: to be dad again. I have every workshop impact in

576
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 4: your family. There's a tough guy or too that says that,

577
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 4: who's the moment I relate to? And those moments are

578
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: it's so important, you know, we want someone like yourself

579
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: to have a conversation with their parents or the parent.

580
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: To open up and say, is that how you feel?

581
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: My brother didn't know that his daughter was having nightmares

582
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 4: until I did that interview, you know, and she's not

583
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: the only child that's going through that. So I think

584
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: the real power of the film is that it can

585
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 4: open up insight and conversation and give us insight into

586
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: those moments. And then the final thought is just I

587
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: wanted the American people to know that that's the average

588
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 4: sacrifice of the average father that deploys overseas. Three million

589
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: of our service members went overseas for twenty years, and

590
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 4: all of them that were fathers had that experience, had

591
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 4: that moment, that same pain.

592
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: In their chest.

593
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: And that's a sacrifice and a gift that gave to

594
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Speaker 4: the rest of us. And I feel and I'm sure Gary,

595
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 4: I know Gary agrees with me on this. This is

596
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: why we're so passionate about doing whatever we can to

597
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 4: kind of welcome them home and encourage our fellow citizens

598
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 4: to look out for ways they can help.

599
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: Gary says, we can never do enough, but we can

600
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: always do a little bit more, and that.

601
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Speaker 4: I want to share with the American public, like this

602
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: is the experience that they're having, and this is what

603
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: they're doing for all of us.

604
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: I felt it a hundred percent. Yeah, you know, I didn't.

605
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to come prepare to this with you and

606
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: Gary to say that I really was into your footage

607
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: and watching it and trying to understand your editing, you know,

608
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: from my perspective, and I mean we really watched them

609
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: back to back. We're so blessed to have this kind

610
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: of media out there where I can see something from

611
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: thirteen years ago or fifteen years ago that you filmed,

612
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: and now I can say, wait, he was just a

613
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: private first class. Now he's a massive sargeant, sniper instructor

614
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: Special Operations, freaking out on his brother in the kitchen

615
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: over Syria. What's up, bro? What's up?

616
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's good that I have an edgy

617
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 4: filmmaker and theater guy himself is my executive producer.

618
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Speaker 3: So he was okay, with a little conflict in the kitchen.

619
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Speaker 2: You know, you did stir some conflict up, bro, I

620
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 2: went to my room when she got mad.

621
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Speaker 5: That's the name of that scene, conflict in the kitchen.

622
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Speaker 3: It should be well.

623
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Speaker 4: I've had so many military spouses tell me that was

624
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: their favorite scene in the entire film, and I've had

625
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 4: a lot of people tell me, oh, when that happened,

626
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 4: I knew this film was real.

627
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: You guys weren't holding anything back, and.

628
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: I just thought, brothers.

629
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Speaker 3: It is brothers, you know.

630
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: But in a deeper sense, I think there's value in

631
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: watching a guy who banged around our act for three

632
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: months debating rustling having a conversation with his brothers deployed

633
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 4: nine times about these things that affect us all And

634
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: while it's not the main focus of the film, I

635
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 4: didn't want to suppress the truth of these veterans and

636
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: how they feel about Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria, because

637
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 4: some of them are having some pretty strong feelings about

638
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 4: all that, and I felt like we as a nation

639
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: owe it to them to reflect back on some of

640
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: the decisions that were made, and those who fail to

641
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 4: look at history are doomed to repeat it.

642
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Speaker 3: So as you see, I don't feel like there's a

643
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: heavy hand.

644
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: We're not telling how you should think or feel or

645
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: anything like that, but we do allow Chief Turner and

646
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 4: Joe and Chief Turner deployed seven times, Chief Intel Officer.

647
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 4: We allow these guys to open up on some of

648
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: these conversations, some of these topics so that you maybe

649
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: can have that conversation in your own living room.

650
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Speaker 6: And Jake, we have another interview we got to go to.

651
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Speaker 6: But where can people download the movie? And why don't

652
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 6: you wy don't you fill everybody in? We we of

653
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 6: course want all your listeners to take a look at

654
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 6: the movie. It's now available and it'll be out there

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Speaker 6: for a while, you know, I mean it'll be living

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Speaker 6: online for quite a while. So but we want people

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Speaker 6: to go to it. We want people to see it,

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Speaker 6: and we want people to tell their friends about it,

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Speaker 6: especially if you're struggling, you know, take a look at it.

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Speaker 5: There are services available.

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Speaker 6: You can certainly go to the Garrisonese Foundation if you

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Speaker 6: feel like you got a buddy who's in need of

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Speaker 6: some help or some services. Also, you can just see,

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Speaker 6: you know, the success that people are having.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's there's a.

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Speaker 6: Successful story here in Brothers After War with people moving

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Speaker 6: on and that's that's the main thing at the end

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Speaker 6: of the movie is we want people moving on and

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Speaker 6: doing positive things and great things with their lives post

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Speaker 6: military service. Where can we see the movie, Jake.

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Speaker 4: Well, you can go to Brothers Afterward dot com to

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Speaker 4: find all the places it's available. It's available on Amazon,

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Speaker 4: it's available at iTunes, it's available Microsoft and YouTube. There's

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Speaker 4: DVDs on the shelves of Walmart and also available on Amazon.

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Speaker 4: So the other thing you can do at Brothersafterwar dot

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Speaker 4: com is if you'd like to participate in a seminar

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Speaker 4: when it comes to your town, shoot us an email

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Speaker 4: info at Brothers Afterwar dot com. Someone on my team

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Speaker 4: will look at all those sometimes it's even me myself,

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Speaker 4: and we respond to that and we will be bringing

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Speaker 4: the seminar around America over the next twelve months, and

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Speaker 4: when it comes to your town, we'd love to have

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Speaker 4: you as our guest.

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Speaker 2: Well, there you have it. You have had an awesome

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Speaker 2: interview with Gary Sonise and Jake Rodmacher who went after

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Speaker 2: Brothers after War. Brothers at War the Brothers at War

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Speaker 2: dot com website. Go check that out. If you're a

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Speaker 2: veteran that's struggling, reach out to me. If you need

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Speaker 2: to say Hi, what's up. I'll say hi back because

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Speaker 2: I also have people look at my emails maybe me too.

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Speaker 2: Just to put it out there. And thank you for

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Speaker 2: letting me play on the whole gump thing there, Lieutenant Dan.

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Speaker 2: And if you ever need someone to hit the cow

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Speaker 2: bell for you, you know, in some blue oyster cold

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Speaker 2: you just let me know. Bro. I will show up

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Speaker 2: and I will come and hit that thing. No problem, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you got it. Thanksving Well, thank you for being on

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Speaker 2: SOFTWAREP Radio, and thank you Jake, Thank you Gary, and

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Speaker 2: on behalf of myself Brandon Webb Matthew who helped arrange

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Speaker 2: all of this behind the scenes, and all the families

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Speaker 2: of the lost who didn't get to see their loved

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Speaker 2: one come home. I hope that this film hits you

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Speaker 2: in the fields and that it makes you think about

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Speaker 2: them and all of the fun memories that they left

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Speaker 2: behind for you, because that's what we have at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, is the memory and the real

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Speaker 2: at the funeral of all the pictures. I don't care

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Speaker 2: about your money, your gold, I just want to see

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Speaker 2: you smiling in those photos. So you guys keep it up.

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Speaker 2: And again, this is rad to be kind of somebody today. Peace.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to self revelationa mm hmm