WEBVTT - Ep. 502: Hunting with Barstool’s Sydnie Wells 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.599 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listeningcast. You can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.040 predict anything. The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.520 by First Light. Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.880 or scouting for ELP. First Light has performance apparel to 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.960 support every hunter in every environment. Check it out at 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.199 first light dot com. F I R S T L 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:41.239 I T E dot com. Hey Philip, you turn the 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.040 machine on. Machine is on. Okay, we'll start the show 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.599 right here. Tell that again, Chester real quick. The other 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.280 day I went, I'm gonna use this to I'm gonna 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.479 use this to I'm gonna piggyback my story on your story. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:54.760 The other day I went into a gas station in 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.840 North Dakota and I needed to buy some zinfandel, which 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:04.679 is zen cho we called zinfandale. But the kid wouldn't 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.520 let me buy it because my Montana I D did 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.040 not scan and I was like I was jones and 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.080 for some because we were on the way back from 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.640 Wisconsin and I had long car ride. Danielle, my wife's 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.600 in there, crying baby. It was just like I really 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:22.080 needed it. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:28.080 She wasn't crying baby. No, there was crying baby. Crying baby, 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:32.800 said my wife, Danielle in there crying baby, like she's 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.960 in there going I think, I think, I said. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:46.800 And the anyways, I got I kind of got mad, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.120 and I never do that. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.560 That's what happens to as I was this is a 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.200 this is a well known thing with addicts. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.400 I was like, dude, I was like, here's three credit cards, 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.360 here's my work. I d it, says photographer on it, 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:03.760 and call the cops. No, I didn't go that far, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.160 but I like convinced them to get me the zims. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:08.840 It was either that or you're gonna tear that place. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:10.320 I made it. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:11.880 Don't made me go out and get my chainsaw. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:14.320 Made it through the drive. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.720 I'm gonna pick it up it. Can I pick it back? 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:18.000 My thing? 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:19.320 I know? Sure? Okay. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.320 So I was in Duluth, Minnesota a long time ago. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.320 I was driving from I was driving across the country. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.120 I took a little side d two were up into 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.000 to Duluth and I'm in a bar in Duluth and 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.680 I get carted. I was a youngster back then, and 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:38.600 uh twenty six, twenty seven years old, and I have 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.280 a Montana driver's license. And the guy at the bar says, 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.120 I'm not kidding you. He says, hey, can you bring 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:50.800 a grease trap to my buddy's Pete's joint in fours? 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:51.919 And you didn't know? The guy? 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.600 No, what did you know? The guy get me forty bucks? What'sppened? 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:56.040 Did you know? 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:56.880 The guy in four corner? 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.360 Idly, I hand my bar to my bye and I 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.040 need to a bartender. He goes, you live in Montana 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.600 and I'm like yeah, and he goes, he knew Montana well, 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.840 and he's like he knew. However, we got to talk 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.880 about where I was going, and he wants me to 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:19.000 detour and drop a grease trap off at a bar 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.640 in uh uh in four corners near here, like the 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.960 Corner Club. I can't remember what the name of the 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:30.240 place was so long ago. He says, I'll give you 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.000 forty bucks. All you gotta do is bring it there 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.160 and set it out back. Did you do it? Yeah? Well, 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.640 he gives me a box and it's just a big 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:43.800 heavy box, all sealed up. And I get down the 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:49.440 road and I start getting paranoid. I start getting paranoid. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.400 I get down the road aways and I get so 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.160 paranoid that I pull over cut that box open open 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:59.520 up is legitimately is a greasy ass grease trap. That's 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.640 fun man, And I made my delivery, got paid ahead 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:03.960 of time. 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:05.200 Perfect. 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.760 So it's called American elbow grease. How does this relate 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:13.040 to the tobacco thing? He said, you got to start. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.000 There's a loose there's a tenuous piggy bag. Okay, joy 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.279 today Sidney Wells from outdoor Sports. What am I saying? 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:27.279 Barstool not outdoor barstool outdoors? Yes, which is part I'm mixed. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:28.400 I combined out. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.680 Door barstool sports. Yeah. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:35.240 I meant to say barstool sports, but it's barstool outdoors. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.000 Yeah, it's been a long day. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:39.800 And tell us why it's been a long day. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.440 We've been duck hunting all morning. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:47.560 Under the tutelage of our other guests, Brady Davis, give 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.400 us the setup. How would you say what we're give 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:51.360 us what we were doing. 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.440 So we'd been watching this field for a handful of days. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.320 You know, it's it's a cut spring wheat field. It's 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.599 been loading up with ducks, loading up with keys, loloading 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.240 up with swans. Yeah, I actually had three swans, decoy 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:03.720 to day and land. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.200 Yeah, you don't see that. That's pretty cool. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:05.640 That's cool. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.000 A circle that is not normal, circled around. They're pushing 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:10.599 through right now. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:11.640 Nobody had a tag. 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.120 No, and even if you did, you can't hunt him 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:15.720 here in this flyway. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:17.320 If I'm if I'm not mistaken, I think the only 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:18.800 place you can hunt him is up it freeze out 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:19.800 Lake North. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.400 So, yeah, we had a good game plan, good setup. Man. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:24.919 I thought we had a heck of a morning. I 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:25.479 mean good time. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:27.279 You did good at playing clean up too. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.320 Yeah, you're right. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:30.560 It was a good morning. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.640 It's really fun and talk some crap, and I was 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:38.279 shooting birds and he shoots a He shoots an old 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:43.279 ass ten gauge. It's eight seventy it's a Browning BPS. Okay, Yeah, 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.520 you can't tell because it's painted like an American flag. Yep, 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:47.080 I know. 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.960 Yeah, it's Zarah Codad. It's a ten gauge pump with 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:53.080 a thirty two inch. 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:57.200 Barrels, the lords gauge. It's the Lord's. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.400 Gauge, and the home with that thing all the time. 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.880 I hunt with it as much as I can. Yeah, 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.320 what I'll tell you is it's a strike killer. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.919 Well every time he hits, he's like, well that's the 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.520 ten gage. Well you still have to aim it. Yeah, 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.080 it's like just a little more going on. Like you 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:14.839 could give that gun to a lot of people, nothing's 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:15.360 gonna happen. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, there there's there's a bit of skill 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:19.039 involved for sure. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.080 Yeah, everyb what that is called is that's called leading proper. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:26.080 Yeah. 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.279 We did have one goose that was it was a 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.160 heck of a poke with the ten bore. Yeah, at 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.040 one high goose. That was good. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:34.720 But now I had a great time. It was fun 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.560 hunting with you guys. We got him. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.200 It was funny hunting out of the A frame too, because 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:40.960 when I was told there was gonna be a dry field, 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:42.440 I thought I was going to be in layout lines. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.080 So the A frame was great to hear that we 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:45.719 were hunting out of. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.840 It's so comfortable. Yeah, we had a guy. We had 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.760 a guy on the show. Chester. You were there, Chester's 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.640 here and was there? Max bard Is here, was not there, 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.480 Chili's here, was not there? Seth's here was there? Mm 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.679 following Yeah, we got it losing a lot of listeners. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.200 Do you know what I'm gonna tell Chester about layout blinds. Yes, 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:12.920 we had a guy on the podcast who was in 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.320 a layout blind and uh someone said, like get him, 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:21.800 and he blew three of his toes. He blew the 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.280 What's interesting is he blew three of them out of 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.280 the middle. Like when you picture blowing your toes off, 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.440 don't you picture blowing the edges? No you don't. 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.640 I picture you right in the middle of your foot. Yeah. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.560 I always picture you'd shoot off one of the sides. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.200 You shoot off your pinky toe, like I could picture 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.960 shooting off my big toe. I can't picture plucking the 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:49.960 three middle toes, goal, pucking the three middle toes out 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:50.560 of the spread. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:52.360 I just picture blowing the whole damn thing. 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:53.600 Yeah, all their toes. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.679 You have a picture of that somewhere way down on your. 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.560 Way down there. No, I wasn't there when he did it, 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.720 but I was there, and he told the Now, my 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.360 old man was shot in the foot rabbit hunting and 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.760 carried those pellets for a long long time in his foot. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.400 No tolls removed. And then he didn't want to tell me. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.560 They tried to keep it secret. So he acts like 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.480 he uh, act like he had had some kind of 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.840 other injury and they kept it secret from people that 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:21.240 someone had blown him in the foot. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.960 There was a guy last year here in Montana, a 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.600 young buck that blew his foot off and had to 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:32.080 get life lighted out of the field. Uh, pretty pretty 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.440 much like the bottom half of his like or top 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:35.240 half of his foot. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.000 See that ceases to be funny. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:38.760 What that's not? 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:44.480 That's not I was telling the funny story. But it's 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.120 funny like shooting yourself. 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.760 Like, No, he wasn't using a blind at all. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:53.360 Do you want to know the crazy thing about this guy? 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:54.800 He still shot the geese. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:09:01.240 He's still the delay or ducks, so he's getting out 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.480 of his layout blind Boom. 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.680 Max knows this guy. 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.040 Oh you do. Yeah, that's the. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.880 First time we met. Max was on that Oh because 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:12.720 Max stopped in on that shoot. 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.800 Max stopped in flayed a bunch of walleyes and. 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.600 Then packing a big old dip there chest. You can't talk. 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.360 Uh you know him? Yeah, Danny, Yeah, Yeah, I know Danny. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:32.840 Boom. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.680 There goes his toes and he's still like the delay. 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.920 The realization is, so he shoots it. He still shoots. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.000 But then here's where it falls apart. If you ask 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:52.360 him if he hit he doesn't know. So somewhere between 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:59.440 somewhere you following me, yea, somewhere between shooting his toes 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.599 and registering whether or not he had a hit, it 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:04.840 struck him what had happened. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.400 Yeah, he probably started shooting and realized something bad just happened. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.960 I usually block out when I shoot into a flock 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.240 of geese. Yeah, I still got all my toes still. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.400 Yeah, this is precisely why we had that long safety 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:18.520 speech this morning. 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.000 Oh I really appreciated that safety speech. Yeah, yeah, good, Yeah, 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.480 we do it. No, that's great. Yeah, it's like a 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:31.400 really a really uh thorough motivational safety speech. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.880 Dude, I love that. Yeah, there's so many people, like, 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.640 there's so many times people don't do that and then 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.840 like stuff happened. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.360 You know what it was in my it was it 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.000 was helpful because it uh the way you handle it 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:51.400 in the story you tell uh, it's effective because it 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.040 made it. It burned in my head. 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.160 Yeah, you rethink things no matter how many times you 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.520 you know, are out there hunting or holding a gun. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.600 It just it's always good to have that fresh reminder. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.520 I was telling them, we do it even when it's 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.720 just us like the same guys we hunt with day 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:07.400 in and day out. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.120 We could have hunted twelve days in a row. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.400 And at the start of the hunt before shooting, like, 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:14.280 I'm going to stand in front of the A frame 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.120 blind and give a little bit of a soapbox speech 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:16.959 about safety. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.800 Yeah. That constant reminders good because some people get overconfident. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.160 Well, and sometimes the more you do it right, when 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:26.040 you're doing it every day, you just getcent you get complacent. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.599 You get like a version of you get like a 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.560 version of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, And so we 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:31.400 go through it every day. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.360 Luckily, everybody that we hunt with that's kind of on 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.600 our team takes it serious. But especially when with guests 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.280 and new people. Right, I'm like, hey, we're going to 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.680 harp on you if we see anything that shouldn't be happening. Yeah, 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.000 let's just let's just do it right from the start, 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:47.360 and it's way more fun than we don't have to 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.480 be paranoid. And because we've all hunted with people that, like, 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.040 thirty minutes in, you're. 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:53.720 Like, we should have a safety speech. 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:58.040 We don't effective about oh sorry, go ahead, even just 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.199 the reminder of the gun on the A frame, like 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.720 just talking about not getting it caught, safety, all that stuff. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:05.959 That's just gonna a reminder. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.760 Yeah, another thing that you said that actually changed my behaviors. 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.760 As if I'm sitting there and I'm like, two hands 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:14.600 on the two hands on the shotgun and I know 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.000 a bird's gonna commit, I'll put it on fire, right, 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.600 And in your safety talk you said you're gone, goes 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.440 on fire when you're up. 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.719 When it clears the blind. It was pointing out, and 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.120 so I kept being same thing. I can't do that 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:29.920 because I get yelled. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.559 I clicked and clicked. I was like I clicked and 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:36.960 I'm like, oh ship, and I clicked it back. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.800 That well, in that moment, right, it's like that final moment, 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.120 like everybody's dead quiet, everybody's holding still. Your senses are heightened, 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.079 and sure as hell, you'll sit there and you'll hear click. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.160 You just clicked off safe and I'm like, so I 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:54.600 click it. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:13:03.000 Bag loud counting. Yeah, so three clicks and you're out 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.360 of the fields. Yeah, Well with that, do you do 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.400 you kick? Like, have you ever had an instance where 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.040 you had to like stop a hunt because someone's not 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.800 falling the rules? We've had to reprimand before for sure, 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.440 what does that like look like for you guys? 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.320 Usually just when you see it happening, like the second happens, 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.320 you know, and try not to be an ass about it, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.280 but like, hey, man, like matter of fact, if we're 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.080 going to keep hunting. I was serious about what we 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.560 talked about, right, Like, I'm not the fun police, but 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.079 we do all want to get out of here alive 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.160 and say, like, this is supposed to be the most 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.600 fun thing ever, so let's keep it that way. But 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.720 there has been times when we've had to stop and 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.839 remind people and you just see things right again. And 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:43.040 and honestly, it's usually the people that waterfowl hunt a lot. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.520 It's not actually the newbies or the people that don't 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.120 do it often. It's it's usually, this is my point, 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.719 it's usually the guy who's hunting day in and day out, 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.400 and you just get complacent. 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:54.080 I mean, I can do it. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:54.480 We can all. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.880 Yeah, yeah, we were on a hunt. There's a guy 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.520 that we know who is very you know, accomplished and 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.000 does it a lot. And you know, Seth had to 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:08.120 say twice nothing personal against the guy, but just be 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.040 like Beryl, you know. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.080 Oh my gosh, that's my biggest it was at. 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:16.680 Our heads multiple times. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.640 I unload on my kids about it, and I can 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.200 never always try to weigh, uh, like how much to 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.760 freak out on them. We don't want to turn them 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.720 totally off, but you're trying to scare the daylights out 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.080 of them. It's fine balances someone. If anyone's figured that out, 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:32.880 send me an email. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:42.040 I personally know two people who got killed duck hunting. Seriously, yes, personally, no, 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:49.360 two people my my father's cousin and then a kid 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:53.480 that my brothers went to high school with. And it's like, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.600 it's it is bad. And both of them happened in 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.000 a very similar way. They were in a boat and 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:07.800 one guy was sitting down. They were long story short, 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.920 they were taking turn shooting, so not everyone was supposed 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.600 to He's supposed to be shooting because in one instance, 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.600 one kid had a hurt leg, so when it was 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.120 his time to shoot, everyone would stay seating because he 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:25.640 couldn't stand, so it was only him shooting. Well, he 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.200 thought it was his turn. The other guy stood up. 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.160 He shouldn't be swinging that way anyways, but swung his 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.480 gun right into the face. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:37.520 Of Can we move on? 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.280 But but I just want to say that. I just 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.160 want to say that because it's a reality and I'm 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.600 personally connected with two people, and I don't think this 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.280 gets talked about. Actually enough is gun safety, and it 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:51.600 happens all the time. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.880 This is why we harp on it. Another another Brady 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:59.480 Davis rules. He don't let dogs in the A frame 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:00.680 to tie. 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.520 Too tight and they just knock over crap. 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.400 Too tight, knock over guns. Yeah, you know, their tails 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.200 are always waggon, you know. And I it makes me 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.200 so paranoid when I see people with a dog in 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.080 an A frame and they'll always tell you like, well, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:12.760 my dog's good. 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.840 He don't he don't freak out. He does everyone everybody's 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.000 got a good dog always watches where his tail. 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:20.720 Man. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.480 So we we have a hard and fast rule no 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.600 dogs in the A frame ever, and they're always in 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:27.800 a dog hide by themselves. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:28.640 And I appreciate it. 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.640 Like when guys like Max comes and hunts with us 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.760 and brings his dog, which is phenomenal dog, they're just 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.040 totally cool with it. Like I tell him when you're coming, like, 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.880 bring a dog blind. Even if we have a big 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:40.720 A frame and there's only four of us hunting and 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:41.960 there's tons of room. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.440 Well it's not for just the hunter safety, it's for 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:45.280 the dog safety too. 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:52.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do. We do a series uh 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.840 meat eaters camp fire Stories, which these audio originals and 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.400 it's people telling the you know, so far the two 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.360 we've done have been and close calls, so like, shit, 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.360 that almost happened, real bad. And one of the guy 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:09.160 tells a story about getting shot by his dog. Yeah, 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.399 it happens. I mean you read about it, so you know, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:16.080 it's crazy about some full circle stuff on that. We 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.399 one time had we had an emergency room doctor on 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.200 Adam Alan or Adam I screwed it up every time. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:31.280 Alan Lazara came on and he's actually published about tree 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.800 stand incidents. But so he's an emergency room doctor and 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:40.679 a hunter and he came on and just implored people 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:45.720 to learn how to apply tourniquets and carry tourniquets. This dude, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.200 he's Something's dad. He gets shot by his own dog 0:17:50.800 --> 0:18:00.359 and had heard that podcast and did the what the 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.479 guy was talking about and it saved him. Yeah, and 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:05.960 like credits have and like listen to that doctor explained 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:06.720 that on the episode. 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:07.240 That's cool. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.440 That's bad to the bone. Because how tight you put 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:17.200 that thing? Oh? Yeah, I mean you tight tight? Uh? Okay, 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.199 cid you give me your impressions of the hunt. They 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:20.800 were gonna pull that tongue out, the. 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.119 Impressions of the hunt ducks tongue. Well, we should go 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:24.800 ahead and start doing that. But I think that it 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:26.840 was a great hunt. I went to Canada and I 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.760 shot zero birds go down in Canada. 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:31.479 Yeah, that's hard to do. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:32.000 How'd that? 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:32.480 Yeah? 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:33.560 I want to know the same thing. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:34.160 How'd that go? 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:34.800 When was it? 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.000 How many days did you hunt? Uh? 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:41.480 Three? Give me okay, I lied, Okay, we saw zero ducks. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.240 The first day we shot some specs, which was actually 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.239 pretty cool because of Illinois, they're super smart. But they 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.000 were tornadoing down. WI shot I think like thirty birds, 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.800 snowgies and specs. The first day wasn't that bad, but 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:58.880 that was between like twelve people, and then we didn't 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:00.080 shoot anything in the rest. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:00.560 Of the trip. 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:02.680 We had two more hunt days. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.560 Yeah, we shot the evening because I think we were 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.119 trying to shoot ducks that in the evening didn't anything. 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.280 In the next two days we didn't shoot anything, which 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.239 I get it, like that's hunting, it's not always going 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.200 to go that way. We did kill a mule deer, 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.600 so I wasn't that upset, but uh yeah, the weather 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.600 did get really warm and the wind. I don't know, 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.080 I don't know. We just didn't kill them. I don't. 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.320 I don't want to hate on anybody or anything because 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.120 it is how it goes typically. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:28.880 But but you're a little bit hating on them. 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.040 I'm just a little salty. It just sucks my first 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:31.760 time up in Canada. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:33.680 You're not hating on them, you're hating on that. 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:37.199 You didn't get ducks, yes, that big cold front that 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:38.800 just came through or no. 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.480 So it was okay. So it was mid October we left. 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.679 I hunted I think like the fifteenth around there. So 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.280 they had a cold front come through and they were 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.720 shooting hundreds of ducks. It was awesome, but I was 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:53.879 mule deer hunting, so I was focusing over there. I 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.400 came back, weather warmed up, cold front's gone, and there 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:58.520 was like no ducks flying. 0:19:58.760 --> 0:19:58.920 We. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.400 Like I said, the first day, we shot some specs 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.359 and some snow geese. So it was a horrible But 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.159 it wasn't like a lights out Canada trip which everybody 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.400 goes to Canada to do like, I've never been up there. 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:11.240 You were a victim of the old You should have 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:12.080 been here yesterday. 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:16.360 Yeah I actually was, yes, yes, and it sucked. Yeah, 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.240 it hurt, but it is what it is. I'm just 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:19.280 gonna have to go back up there. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:19.800 Yeah. 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:21.920 When things go real good, I'll tell people you were 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.600 here yesterday. Yeah, that's how good today was. Yeah. This 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.600 is like one of those days that if it was tomorrow, 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:31.240 we'd be talking about it. Yeah, but you were here, yeah, today, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:33.320 you were here yesterday today. 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:38.240 Yeah. Today it was a good day though. So that's why. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:42.000 Tomorrow, if it sucked, you would refer back to today. Yes, 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:43.400 and so you should have been here yesterday. 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.679 Absolutely, it's great. Yeah. Absolutely. 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:50.040 We recently had a guest on uh, Crian, do you 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:54.720 mind teeing us up from duck Like but it just 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.359 come come tee it up, cran, Okay, here. 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:01.639 You go teeing up. We recently had Phil Loveretzky on 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:06.119 from the University of Texas at El Paso and his 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:09.720 lab is teamed up with Ducks Unlimited for a project 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:14.200 called Ducks Duck Dna. You can visit that at duck 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:15.560 dna dot. 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.840 Com and you can listen to the whole damn. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.000 And you can also listen to our entire podcast or 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.159 watch it on YouTube. 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.280 What do we call that one? Our wild ducks really wild? Yeah, exactly, 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.080 so our wild duct really wild. He came in to 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:32.359 talk about the way that you have game farm mallards 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:40.080 and the way game farm mallards are breeding their weakness 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.480 and habits into wild mallards in the United States exactly. 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:49.800 And one way to help contribute data to their growing 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:56.480 research is by participating yourself as a citizen scientist. So 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:03.840 we've got a bunch of test tube vials with an 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.760 agent in them and a reagent I actually don't know 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.720 the right word screwing that up, Yeah, sauce. And the 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:15.360 instruction is to cut the mallard tongue out or part 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:18.639 of it out. And we've got kind of this little 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:25.959 box of tubes for meat eater colleague carvested ducks. So, uh, 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.720 Seth is gonna with his lab code on do a 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:34.440 little demonstration as we increase the reach of meat eater 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:35.520 laboratories as well. 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:36.520 You know, ladies, gentlemen. 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:46.960 Crinchnyder very well, all right, Science time and Karin Karin Morris. 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:51.040 Now Seth has If you're not watching on video, Seth 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:53.360 has Karin's lab code on. So I don't think he's 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.040 got his own sweet labte that says Karin. Yeah, get 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.440 to borrow. Not that cool yet? You ready, Yeah, let's 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:00.000 do it. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what's happening. 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:04.080 Seth is holding the Seth is prying the duck's mouth open, 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:11.840 and he's revealing its tongue, which is a Chinese delicacy. 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.600 Yep, save your tongues if you have time. 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:15.639 Have you cooked them up yet? 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:16.560 Crinn? 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:20.399 Yeah, Seth, I would say quarter quarter of an inch. 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.119 Right there, So just a quartern in quarter of an 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:23.240 inch from the top. 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:27.680 Get this joke. It's on the tip of his tongue 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.320 right there at the little indent. Yeah, you get it. 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:35.679 They kind of naturally have a spot that shows you 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:36.200 where to cut. 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:38.640 Really, it's like God wanted to just send the tip 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:39.280 of his tongue in. 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:41.359 There. 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:47.360 He goes, Oh that noise? Was it up? Sharp Knight? 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:49.400 Getting number one? 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.480 Seth has cut the tip of its tongue on the number. 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:57.520 Is it probably marring Phill's special studio table? Oh yeah, Brady? 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:58.919 Did he cut into the table. 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:01.760 I don't think he cut into the table, but I 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.160 use the table as it's a cutting makes a fine cutting. 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:07.840 Boarder marring Fill's special table. 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.040 Can I touch this with my hands or is that 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:11.000 gonna mess anything up? 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:12.240 I think you're fine with you. 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:14.520 I don't know. They might have. 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:27.400 Goodness all right, and there it is specimen number one. 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:28.360 There's number one. 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.960 Yeah, okay, now you got to fill out your sheet. 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:33.880 I don't have anything to write. 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:35.359 We can do that later. 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:37.600 So yeah, we just that's all it takes. We just 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:41.760 participated in citizen science. So now this will get submitted 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:46.600 with a lat lawn court will get submitted with corn. 0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:47.920 And it's one of the kind of what other kind 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.880 of biometric detail they want off that they they don't 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:52.240 need to ask a lot, they can just figure it 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:54.560 out themselves, right. They want to know male female. 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:59.720 Yeah, they want species, sex, location, latitude, long longitude, date, comments, 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:00.639 got it? 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.080 Probably ought to put this into fridge, right. 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:06.600 And then they will be able to take that mallard 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.679 and so far what that should based on the conversation 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:15.000 we have with them, that should come back wild mallard, purebread. 0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:18.840 That's your remembrance. Yeah, that that duck should come back purebread. 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:26.560 But they're watching the very slow westward creep of pen 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:32.919 Raise mallard. So mallards from pen Rais mallards originating from Europe, 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:39.080 brought in as game farm birds, breeding into wild mallards 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:48.720 and perhaps creating some troubled behaviors, not following migratory patterns well, 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:56.360 poor nesting success, poor site selection, lower ability to navigate, 0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:01.680 foul weather, not that foul. Oh can I get you 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:04.639 a little feedback, Brady, I would love to. Naming your 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:11.400 dog Lead creates a lot of confusion that good story 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:15.040 because he's like, Lead, No, what now, who's cheoting Lead? 0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:15.840 Lead? 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.320 Like is it what happened? Like if there's multiple times, 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:19.520 I'm like he's talking about his dog. 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:22.800 He was doing the safety protocol and he said Lead. 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.680 I'm like, well you should probably keep your tone down here. 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:30.760 Lead, I mean named my next dog. Take him, Brady, 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.760 what's the punchline? Well, we named him lead because it's 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:35.480 the only lead we can legally use in the field. 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:36.400 There it is. 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:38.600 And I love single syllable names for a dog, So 0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:41.760 Lead we can use lead because he's good in the field. 0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:43.639 So yeah, yeah, he did great today. It was a 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:47.639 good day. Saved us a lot of walking great dog. No, 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:49.639 he does, and he like he has he brings a 0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:53.159 lot of gusto. Yeah, he he. I would say he 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:57.879 assaults the geese. Not not in a bad way. It 0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:00.600 doesn't like mold. Yeah, but but if it's if it's 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:04.160 running away, he's on it. He's like he goes after 0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:05.000 that football player. 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:06.359 He had one today. I mean it was like a 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.040 thousand yards. It was a sailor and then he ran 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:10.840 way out to it. Right when he got to it, 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.399 had joker got up and flew like another three hundred 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.480 yards and went back down and freaking all the way there, 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:17.040 came back. 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:20.280 He was he was catching his breath on this thing. Yeah, yeah, 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.400 that was awesome. That Uh listener listener question here. 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:26.600 Uh. 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:30.560 The topic is fuzzy waterfowl regulations. This is something we've 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.800 discussed a great bit, but we'll discuss it right now again. 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:37.480 This this fella says there's a great area. This is 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.679 the This is a listener email. There's a great area 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:49.520 and waterfowl hunting regulations. I have to edit this is it? 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:50.400 This is verbatim. 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:54.080 Crinn I had to edit a little bit. 0:27:54.600 --> 0:28:00.680 Okay, apologies to the listener. There's there's a gray area 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:05.120 and waterfowl hunting regulations, which is a rule I'm trying 0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:06.640 to edit it on the fly, which is a rule 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:10.240 that's broken in ninety nine percent of grip and grin 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:17.760 waterfowl picks. There's also a discrepancy in party shooting. Okay, 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:19.560 this is like answering your question, but you don't know 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:23.200 what the question not his fault. What are you talking about? 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.640 Is this? I believe Krin is this correct? He's talking 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.200 about how you're supposed to have your own ducks separate. Okay, 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:34.520 so when you're hunting ducks, you're supposed to keep track 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:38.280 of who knows who got what, because you're not supposed 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.840 to party hunt. Meaning if three guys are in a 0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:44.040 blind and you're each allowed five ducks, let's say and 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:47.160 one guy's got the hot gun, Theoretically that guy is 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.800 not supposed to shoot fifteen ducks. And then he's like, hey, 0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:55.040 I got everybody's limit, Like every hunter's supposed to get 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:59.480 their own stuff. This guy brings up, well, okay, but 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:02.400 when you take a duck grippingrin, you lay your ducks out. 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.920 The ducks aren't separate, and when you're shooting and a 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.360 duck comes in and three people stand up and by 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:12.240 back who's duck? So he says, that's the gray area. 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:16.320 And I think you're correct. I think that's why you 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:22.600 don't see. I think there's like laws that are on 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.920 the book. But in all of the time that I've 0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:29.040 been alive, I've never met someone who had a warden 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.200 come in and had to be that he wants to 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:36.760 understand out of three shooters who shot the duck. People 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:38.920 that get in trouble for this are it's like you 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.960 get in trouble for this later on your way home. 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:44.440 There's confusion. I never have heard of or seen of 0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:47.280 anyone jump out and be like, all right, boys, I 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.560 got you cause I feel like more than one of 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:52.760 you hit that duck, But now what are you gonna do? 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:57.120 I think it's like what we'd normally do in the situations. 0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:04.240 We'd look and be like, felt like Jimmy's ducks seemed 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:05.280 like he was aiming right. 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.640 Someone's just got to claim that ducky he claim the dock. 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:11.880 Yeah, and that goes against or goes towards their limit. 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:15.920 Yeah, And so this isn't negating, it's not negating. The 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:19.040 listeners thinking but it is fuzzy, and I think the 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:22.200 way you cope with the fuzziness is you kind of 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.200 look at over the course of time, where do you 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.160 see people get in fractions. They get in fractions about 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.560 shipping ducks, transporting ducks after the hunt. I've just never 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:34.680 heard of somebody getting in trouble over like a like 0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:37.720 a like a dispute like that, meaning a bunch of 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.520 people shoot someone claims the duck. I mean, of course 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.360 there's the impossible way to do it. And I've never 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:46.200 heard that it's illegal for two people. It's not like 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:47.840 illegal for two people to shoot at one duck. 0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:49.880 No, No, I agree. 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:51.080 I think somebody's got to claim it. 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.320 To Max's point, the other thing we do is if 0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:54.560 we have a lot of people in the blind and 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.479 we're like really getting them, we will lay the birds 0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:01.640 out behind the blind in separate piles. So it's like, okay, Brady, 0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.080 Steve Sidney, you know, Dane, whatever. 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:05.920 One there. 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.680 I think the biggest thing is as soon as we're 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.360 done in the field and we're about to go and 0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:13.320 and this boggles my mind that people don't do this, 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:14.320 but we tag them. 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.920 Yeah, yeah, you this morning did like what you're supposed 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:18.120 to do. 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.200 Yeah, I mean it's a federal law that you have 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:23.200 to tag birds for transport, and so we tag them 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:25.800 and it's got the hunter's name, you know, the county 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.959 that was killed, the species, the number, the signature, everything 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:33.600 on that tag. That one is a fascinating rule because 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:35.840 so many times people have been waterfowl hunting with us, 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:37.800 and I'm sure Max's experiences and you're like, all right, 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.040 we're going to tag birds, and people look at you 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.320 like you're speaking Japanese man, like what are you talking about. 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.959 Yeah, like, we got to tag them. I tag them 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.360 if I'm if I clean them and leave like a 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:52.880 wing attacked and I'm flying somewhere and I'm flying them home, 0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:55.240 I would tag them. But I would I never in 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.479 my life tagged bird to drive ten twenty miles down 0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:57.719 the road. 0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:01.760 Yeah, as long as they're with you, you're fine, okay. 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.560 But yeah, to Brady's point, for like any kind of transportation, 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.680 if like you leave your birds with someone else, they 0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:09.680 got to be tagged for sure. 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:11.400 So the way the rule is written is I think 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:13.480 it's actually like if you're going from the field to 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:18.760 your abode, then you're you're good but like today we 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:22.480 went from the field to launch to the office here 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:25.280 for the podcast and then home. And you start doing that, 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:26.320 then they need to be tagged. 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.120 Yeah, now you're in a building that's not your home 0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.520 and there's birds in your truck that are not completely yep, 0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:34.200 you're not you're not with them right because they're out 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:36.800 in the parking lot right. So and it takes two 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:38.000 seconds to tag the birds. 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:40.640 Like, it's just a simple rule to keep, and you 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:42.680 just make sure you're always above board all the time. 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:46.240 You know, another another rule that you always hear about 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:47.920 being a rule, and you don't hear everybody get in 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.560 trouble with the rule is, uh, you know, you're not 0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:54.560 supposed to have like eagle feathers, hawk feathers unless you're 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:56.360 like a Native American or something. We had a word 0:32:56.480 --> 0:33:01.200 none and he said he's written two citations that And 0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:05.120 he said one time he is at a red light 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.560 and there's a guy next to him that his his 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:11.720 rear view mirror is draped in rafter talents. 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.320 Oh my goodness, pulls him over. 0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:22.280 Another time he's it is leaving his grocery store pushing 0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:24.080 a shopping cart and looks in the back of the 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:28.360 truck and there's a dead owl in the back. So 0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:30.520 he waits to talk to the guy and he said 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.360 it was funny. Is both people their immediate thing was 0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:38.320 to tell me their Native American? Oh my god, neither 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:43.720 neither was the very Scandinavian that was like, that's like 0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:45.400 the little thing everybody has in her head. Is I 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:48.440 think it's okay? I like you're Native American? Right, It's 0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:53.400 like I'm Native American. Ah, here's not an interesting thing. 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:54.960 Now sitting you feel free to weigh in on any 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:57.640 of the stuff you want. Is there anything you'd like 0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:58.239 to add right now? 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:00.520 No, I've actually didn't know about the feather. 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:06.120 So is your mirror drave you're gonna want to get. 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.080 What I'm saying is like, does that mean. 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.480 It means that you're not allowed to have that? That 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:13.400 what I'm saying If I. 0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.480 Find it on in the cornfield and I see a feather. 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.719 Yes, like if you took that feather, and like if 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:23.560 you took that feather and put it in your backpack again, 0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:27.000 it's one of those rules that it's a rule, but 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.680 you just don't meet. There's many more people that have 0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:32.480 picked up a egle feather than there are that got 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:35.200 in trouble for picking up ego feathers. It was just 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.080 one of those interesting rules that you sort of have 0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.399 the feeling in the back of your head that there's 0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:41.200 something about how you're not supposed to do it. 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:43.799 Well, I didn't know that I'm not picking up feather, 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:45.120 so nobody come for me. 0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.880 But this guy's point was he presented, he was presented 0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:55.080 with two things that he couldn't ignore. In no situations 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:58.160 he would. He stepped in because the one was just 0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:01.880 like like this, like sort of you know, chandelier of 0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.759 rapid talons caught his eye and then everyone was like 0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:07.799 the actual dead owl. But that's the thing. It's just like, 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:10.520 you know, maybe they dyed the damn feather and it 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:11.319 looks like ego feather. 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:11.680 I don't know. 0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:14.279 Yeah, like if Oscar is out in the field and 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.440 he picks up an eagle feather, you know you're. 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.480 Not gonna lot, You're not gonna call him and stuff. 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:19.120 I don't think. 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:21.480 So we were on a hunt last year and we 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:23.560 shot a goose and it sailed like the next field 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:26.640 over and the boys kind of all marked it, like 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:28.319 I think he went that direction, and so I got 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:29.719 out of the blind and I like went on a 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:30.439 hike with lead. 0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.439 I'm like, we're gonna go find this goose again his dog, 0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:39.240 My dog led, Yeah, it's an effective method. Get that goose. 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:43.640 Let better not that hasn't been illgal since nineteen eighty six, right, 0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:44.040 But we. 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:45.920 Hiked our butts over there, and I'm like, all right, 0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:47.799 he's in this direction. So with dogs, you can send 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.160 him on a blind retree, right, like they didn't see 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.319 it go down. You just send him, Yeah, send him 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.279 out and they'll work the area. And so I sent 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.080 him out and he's kind of working and I'm giving 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.440 him some some commands, and all of a sudden, he 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:01.000 gets real birdie. I'm like, yeah, got it. I mean 0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.439 it just happened on thousands of times. Grabs a bird, 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:04.120 comes back and. 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.879 I'm like, that's not a goose, that's not a goose. 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:10.480 And brings back a dead hawk mmm, And I was like, 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.920 oh crap, Like what do I do? So I like 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.319 he he brought it to heel, sat handed it to 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:18.960 me like he's supposed to do, and I like took 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:22.080 it and instantly walked right back to where he had 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.200 picked it up from. And it's straight underneath the power line. 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.279 So all I can assume is it like this hot 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:28.520 got sat down the power line and I literally like 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.399 left it there and turned and we were like walking out, 0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:33.759 and I'm like, crap, that's not good. And it's right 0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:35.880 by a road, so I'm like, jeez, like I'm glad, 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.720 like I didn't want to look like my dog's retrieving hawks. 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:41.200 And right then this goose like pokes its head up 0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:42.840 over the grass and I'm like that one go and 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:44.680 he gets out and went back to the blind. 0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:45.000 Uh. 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:47.120 Upstairs in my office, I have a photo for my 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.560 dad's like I have a photo Pilford from my dead 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.200 father's old photos, and he has an old photo where 0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:56.600 it's him and some other guys and they got cottontail 0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:59.200 rabbits hanging from strings, and then on the end of 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.279 the the and the one of the strings they got 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.440 their owl, which is like, which was just like how 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.279 there was a matter of course, Yeah, it'd be like 0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:11.440 if you were a small game hunter, get the hawks 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:15.680 and owls and conservation. Yeah it was, yeah, it was conservation. 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.719 Here's a good one. So Pat friend of the show 0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:32.160 multiple times, been on the show many times, does some 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:36.360 articles for the meteater dot com. He wrote in and 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.279 he sent in a piece that he was recently working on. 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:45.920 Pat Dirkin being from Wisconsin and he pat covers wildlife politics. Uh, 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.120 Pat has one of my favorite quotes, which is big 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:52.960 Bucks make people stupid. Send us an article he's working 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:56.799 on about speaking of citizen science. So I thought, here 0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.719 our resident citizen scientists today. He'll he'll perk right up 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.920 when you hear is this about a citizen science program 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:07.879 in Wisconsin where they monitor people's trail camps. So there 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:14.640 are about two thousand citizen scientists enrolled in Snapshot, Wisconsin. 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:18.239 And they give you some guidelines and all that. And 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.600 then so these two thousand trail cams are out there 0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:23.680 and they're watching, like what are they getting? What are 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:24.680 they getting on the trail camps? 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:27.680 You want to talk about stay with a lot of 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:28.600 trail cams. 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.160 I am Wisconsin, That's what I am talking about. 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:33.919 It's a lot. 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:38.280 It's a lot there. Yeah, everywhere that there's no regulations 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:38.600 on trip. 0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:40.320 You gotta be careful where you pee. 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.319 My did you see the picture I recently got with 0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:45.800 my beaver cam that's ten to you. 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:47.520 Oh, it's fantastic. 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:49.640 Yeah, it's like you think that i'd be getting like 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:53.480 an award from National Geographic It. I got a beaver 0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:56.840 cam set up where it's on a little crossover between 0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:58.360 a pond and the creek, and I just like to 0:38:58.360 --> 0:38:59.480 watch the beavers go by. I so I want to 0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:02.279 wake up with the more. Let's look on her and 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.480 see what all and everything and its brother comes through 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.480 here like everything it's not I don't want to say 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.920 where it is. It'd be illegal to hunt. It's in 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:16.400 an urban environment, urban environment, but it's just like this 0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.160 little kind of like hotspot. And I keep a camera 0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:22.480 there and I've gotten everything in its brother on this camera. 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:30.720 Mallard's walking by, mink, weasels, magpies, one of them poor wales. 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:32.600 What's the kind of whipper wool is around here? Whipple 0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:35.000 wool looking bird keep wanting to send it to the 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:35.760 Cornell people. 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:40.279 Doesn't they call them like false wheals or something? Yeah? 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:48.000 Uh, mice rats, rats, pack rats, mice otters, scrats, mountain lion, deer, 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:52.120 a pet dog, house cat. What about a mountainin dude fishing? 0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:56.640 No mountains give me time? Anyways, I get on it. 0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.680 The other day, an otter standing there with a really 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.200 nice trout holding it by the head. Wow. And you 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:04.279 can tell the chiut's still live. He's all like curled up. 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:05.040 Yeah. 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.680 And thenett Otter sat there, like perfectly sat there and 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:09.320 devoured that fish in front of the camera. 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:09.839 That's cool. 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:10.560 That was great. 0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:16.359 So in Wisconsin they have this Snapshot Wisconsin. And what 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:18.880 Dirkin was writing about was he was writing about this 0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:23.080 is Dirkin like a I don't know if Dirkin uh 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:25.919 I feel like Dirkin Rather than being a wolf hater 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:29.320 or a wolf lover, which comprises ninety percent of Americans, 0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:32.440 Dirt falls in that sweet spot of like sort of 0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:37.160 wolf rational Dirt or Dirkin is wolf rational. But he 0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:39.799 hears people saying in Wisconsin like you can't get a 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.560 picture of a deer anymore. You're like, I get more 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:46.520 pictures of wolves than I get a deer. And so 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.279 he looked at this year when they came out with 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:56.320 the new Snapshot Wisconsin statistics, and so for Snapshot Wisconsin 0:40:56.440 --> 0:41:03.799 right now, they're running four hundred and deer photos to 0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:08.879 every wolf photo. But there's some interesting stuff in here. 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:18.080 So Sawyer County, Wisconsin, Sawyer County, Wisconsin, fifty seven cameras. 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:20.080 Where's that is that up north. 0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:27.400 It's gotta be someone want to look. Yeah, So Sawyer County, Okay. 0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:30.560 Not one northern county. So assuming not the southern ones, 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.640 they don't have wolves. Now one northern county had wolves 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:34.440 on every camera. 0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:39.000 That's up by Hayward Good Musky country up there. 0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:45.160 Saint Croix County two percent of the cameras. So in 0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:48.200 Saint Croix County, there's forty seven cameras. In Saint Crai County, 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:53.160 forty seven enrolled cameras. In Saint Croix County, two percent 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:59.200 of the enrolled cameras picked up pictures of wolves. Dunn 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:06.560 County thirty cameras, two picked up pictures of wolves. Then 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:12.640 you get to this. Douglas County, sixty one of cameras 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:14.480 set out will grab a picture of wolf. 0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:14.919 Wow. 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:20.640 Iron and Price Counties sixty three percent of cameras set 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:29.200 out capture wolf. Uh. Marinette County is the top for 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:36.000 deer photo prevalence, But there's some interesting stuff with bear prevalence. 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:42.680 Bear photos far outnumbered wolf photos in every county except Shiuano. 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:46.000 What is it, Shano, No, it's not Shano. 0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:47.000 I'm looking at it right here. 0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:53.240 Shiuano tomato, tomato, shawano, shano. 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.000 They're just like it did shortcutting it. 0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:57.319 Yeah, I guess that's probably just how we say it. 0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:59.600 We had a cabin over by mountain, which was not 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.560 too far are from there. We did see wolves seanel, 0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:03.879 we saw deer. 0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:06.719 Two thirty cameras. Check this one out. This is interesting. 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:12.719 So in that county, thirty cameras snapped five hundred and 0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:15.359 twenty nine bear photos and five hundred and twenty two 0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:16.239 wolf photos. 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:18.440 Wow. 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:26.120 Saint Croix county forty seven cameras one wolf photo. Now 0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.560 I'm not reading all of Durkin's article, but Dirk, I 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:31.359 guess the main point of Durkin's article is that there 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.279 aren't as many wolf photos as you'd think. But I 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:36.879 look and I'm like, that seems like a lot. 0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:41.719 This a lot, especially on that point near Duluth, right 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:46.040 by the border of Canada. That's a that's a lot. 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.040 That's not very good for your deer population. 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:52.040 Okay, ready, now again, things could get things could Here's 0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:55.120 the final synopsis for all the counties in Wisconsin and 0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:58.279 for sure, oh sorry sorry, this is only northern This 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:01.160 is the stats for only northern Withisconsin. And this is 0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:03.520 the final totals, and keep in mind the same things 0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:06.440 can get multi photographed many times. I had a camera 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:10.759 one time, that photograph, you know, the photograph the same 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:14.120 doing fun five hundred times, right, So bear that in mind. 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:19.560 Total cameras one one hundred nineteen enrolled cameras in northern 0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:27.120 Wisconsin and snapshot Wisconsin deer photos twollion, eight hundred ninety 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:31.279 nine thousand, six hundred and a spectacles on forty eight. 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:34.520 So we'll round up. We're gonna round these by the fives. 0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:38.240 We're gonna round that up to one thousand cameras, rounding 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:42.440 down from eleven nineteen to one thousand. Rounding up. These 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:49.280 are big roundings, rounding up to two million, nine hundred thousand, 0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.400 thirty six thousand, three hundred and twenty four bears. So 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:56.760 those one thy, one hundred and nineteen cameras captured thirty 0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:01.680 six thousand, three hundred and twenty four bear image. Those 0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:07.879 one nineteen cameras captured a total of six thousand, eight 0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:13.240 hundred and three wolf photos, bringing the final number crunch 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:20.360 to one wolf photographed for every four hundred and twenty 0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:24.720 six deer. Now, if I was a statistician, I'd probably 0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:26.680 shoot all kinds of holes and how that's being looked at. 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:27.680 But that's all that's being looked at. 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:30.840 I mean wolves are so much more nomadic too. 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:33.440 Just which they it means they could show up on 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:37.719 potentially more cameras or probably perhaps less because they're not 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:38.960 camped out in some little spot. 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:42.279 I think perhaps less because they're not camped out. Let 0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:43.959 me think of how many times you have a deer 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:48.719 camera out in Wisconsin and you get you get the 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:50.439 same deer coming through every night. 0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:52.720 Yeah, same food bloods. 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:59.480 One of my favorite wolf stats when beavers are dispersing 0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:01.719 in May and in the northern Great Lakes I can't 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.480 remember it is ninety eight percent of wolf scats contain 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:08.279 beaver remains. And then by the end, like by the 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:10.720 late summer, when they're not dispersing anymore, it just drops 0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:12.840 off precipitously to next to nothing. 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:13.719 Yeah I read that. 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:18.160 Yeah, they hammer beavers when the beavers are dispersing, and 0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:20.200 then they just forget about them go on to something else. 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:22.560 So it was the point of the article saying that 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.320 the wolf problem isn't really a problem in Wisconsin. 0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:29.239 Uh, let me tell you about I wanted to say 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:35.680 a couple things about darkin Okay. I recently got a 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:39.000 note from Durkin. I told a story recently about losing 0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:42.120 a friend of mine, and I got a note from 0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:47.000 Durkin about touching in with me about the story I 0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.000 told about losing a friend of mine. I showed the 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.359 note to my wife, which my wife said, that is 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:56.200 one of the good ones, meaning Durkin. If everybody on 0:46:56.239 --> 0:47:00.600 this planet behaved like Pat Durkin, there wouldn't be any problems. 0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:04.799 I think what Pat's trying to say here is I 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.120 think Pat's trying to say that there aren't that many wolves. 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:12.040 Maybe is that you're He's like you people saying that 0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:14.320 all you get is wolf photos. Let's look at the stats. 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:15.160 I think what. 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:18.520 He's saying is it's not as bad as everybody thinks 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:20.799 it is, because you go up to those counties and 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:25.000 you talk to those people and immediately they're like wolves. 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:25.480 You know. 0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:28.799 Yeah, everyone jumps to blame it on wolves. Maybe the 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:30.600 bears are killing I. 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.759 Think has to do with logging up there in the 0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:39.600 Nicolay National Forest and not having there's there's more and 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.920 more old growth and not as much like new brows 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:46.960 and things like that. For deer that at least in 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:49.960 the area where we were at. I mean, there are wolves. 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:52.719 There are wolves, and there are more wolves. And you think, 0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:57.800 I mean, when they opened the season, you know, in Wisconsin, 0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:01.640 to shoot wolves. It was staggering how quickly they got 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:02.360 to quote. 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:03.960 Which always makes me think there must be a lot 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:05.239 of wolves. But let me let me give it to 0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:06.960 dir I'll give it now that we got into it 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:13.360 and we're questioning Dirkin's, uh, you know, journalistic integrity. Here's 0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:20.440 the headline. Northwoods deer outnumber bears wolves in trail cam survey. 0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:21.520 That's the headline. 0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:25.520 Dirkin goes on to say folks who scoring gray wolves 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.080 often claim they see more of them than white tailed 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:32.160 deer when poking around Wisconsin's Northwoods the past twenty years. Meanwhile, 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:36.000 trailcams are now as common as ravens and woodticks in 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.120 those forests, providing round the clock surveillance of bait pile's, 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:43.200 food plots and two track trails. All that photographic evidence 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:49.040 spawns countless claims and surplus exclamation points. And he quotes 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:52.840 someone quote, we seldom see deer on our trail cams anymore, 0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:56.760 but we see plenty of wolves. Last fall before gun season, 0:48:56.840 --> 0:48:58.960 I didn't find five sets of deer tracks in the 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:02.360 snow by falling, lots of wolf tracks, wolf tracks, and 0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:05.000 some spots on our logging road look like Kyle paths. 0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:08.160 That's why there's no deer left in northern Wisconsin. And 0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:12.480 this individual that Pat's quoting has already used four exclamation 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:16.040 points and adds six on to the end of that passage, 0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:20.400 means all of which were quoted by Pat. Then he 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:27.400 goes on to say this is Durkin as best I 0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:32.040 could tell. Hold No Dirton goes on and say, hey, 0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:34.640 every hundred throughout history wants more dear and deer sign 0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:38.560 that includes me. While scouting my favorite sites in Ashland 0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:40.719 County two weeks ago, I found no deer tracks or 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:44.000 buck signed in three days. And this is the former 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:47.759 editor of Deer and Deer Honey magazine. Pat's a deer. Well, 0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:50.399 he's got thirty some shoulder mounts of white tail deer, 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:52.680 which is successive. 0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:56.000 Something like that, successive something to shoot for. 0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:59.960 That's awesome. Pat likes deer so much that you know 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.400 he put stickers on the truck. Pat's put stickers of 0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:06.960 famous deer on his truck. Oh, he loves really likes deer. 0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:09.440 Is he like goes You're like there's auctions where they 0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:10.719 sell like the antlers. 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:13.320 Probably, Yeah, he loves deer in the Edmunds. 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:15.560 Fitzgerald knows a lot about the Edmond fitz and knows 0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:18.120 a lot about the Navy. Okay, he was in the Navy, 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:21.480 knows a lot about that. I've never had that happen 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:23.879 in the shittiness of the sign He's saying, I've never 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:27.000 had that happen in twenty years of hunting that part of. 0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:29.799 The Nicolay National Force. 0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:31.600 Well, give me the first part chester. 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:41.120 Uh chikwam chika mcguan chikwamag chikwamagon chikuwama. 0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:43.960 Gun chakuama gon Nicolay National Force. Isn't Nicola the fella 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.640 that showed up Green Bay, like cross Lake Michigan and 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:48.759 showed up with Green Bay and put on a Mandarin 0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:55.120 robe like he thought he's in China. This dude for real, real, 0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:57.760 This dude for real? I think Nicolay when he crossed 0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:01.239 Lake Michigan, He's like ha, and he like had been 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:06.759 carrying like a China made robe of some sort and 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.440 put it on to go and like meet the people. 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:13.040 He's like, Wow, the muskie fishing is good, and check. 0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:23.160 Suspiciously like the other side of the lake Nikola nashed Forth. 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:27.040 Dirkin goes on. Then again I saw no wolf sign either, 0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:30.799 which makes sense. Why would wolves waste their time and 0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:36.480 energy hunting such lousy deer habitat, especially after a scientifically 0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:43.839 documented quote very severe killer winter for white tails. Then 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:46.919 there's a passage I'm not gonna read. Then I'm gonna 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:49.040 try to end this whole thing we're doing here by 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:52.080 getting to this to continue my quote of Pat Durkin. 0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:55.879 But one man, and here's this isn't the important part. 0:51:56.040 --> 0:52:01.160 But one man's observations. I'm pounding the table. But one 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:06.200 man's observations don't necessarily paint a picture. To learn what 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:10.640 my fellow hunters and other folks are documenting in Ashland County, 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:19.719 I looked up the snap Shot Wisconsin Data Dashboard Snapshot 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:27.440 Wisconsin's current five year data set. The numbers, however, make 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:32.040 you question some folks claims about wolves overrunning the north 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:36.520 Woods and then in Ashland County, for instance, thirty trail 0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:41.840 camps in scientifically chosen sites took twenty three two and 0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:45.680 ninety nine deer photos from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two, 0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:48.080 those same cameras took one hundred and seven wolf photos 0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:52.279 and seven hundred and thirteen bear photos. Now, this deal 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:56.920 about wolves and bears is something that really keep in 0:52:57.000 --> 0:53:01.480 mind because when they did mortalities, like the after wolves 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.440 came into Idaho and wolves is like decimated elk populations 0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:08.560 in the Idaho Panhandle. But you know what had always 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:12.520 been really hard on them is mountain lions. So more 0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:15.560 elk calves are killed by mountain lions in the Idaho Panhandle. 0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:18.200 But that's always been that way. So whatever the hell 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:20.640 it was, is like like for every hundred calves that 0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:22.279 hit the ground, twenty three, I don't know what the 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.480 number is, twenty twenty three, something like that, twenty three 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:26.759 or twenty, you're gonna killed my mountain lions. But it's 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:28.480 just always been that way. You have very stable mountain 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:32.440 lion populations over time. Everybody's used to it. Wolves come 0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:36.200 in and they don't trump that number, but they add 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:40.160 to that number. And that so it's like what when 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:42.640 a wolf calf, when an elk calf hits the ground, 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:47.400 what's probably gonna kill it? A mountain lion. But wolves 0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:50.320 are the new players in town. And there's the mountain 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:53.600 lions have always been killing whatever the number was, thirteen twenty, 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:55.759 I can't remember. They've always been killing that. But now 0:53:55.760 --> 0:54:00.640 you're adding on eight and that's the tipping point normalcy. 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:03.000 So people on the ground are like, man, there was 0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:04.839 a bunch of elk and then wolves came, and now 0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:09.400 the elk are really down. If you could somehow remove 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:11.480 it's almost like if you could remove mountain lions and 0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:13.960 almost do more for elk. But the wolves just tipped 0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:17.719 it so wildly out of balance that whatever equilibrium was 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:18.480 there get shot. 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:21.440 And then what's the regulation in Idaho for wolves is 0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:22.719 they're not they're delisted. 0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:30.640 So we like we like I did something. Wolves were 0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:38.799 successfully delisted in the Northern Rockies. So they were successfully 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:43.080 delisted in Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana. And it's been very 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:46.920 whip saw in the northern Great Lakes seesaw what's the 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:50.440 term whipsaw? Back and forth, back and forth. 0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:55.440 Yeah, yeah, you can like in Montana right now they're listed. 0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:58.640 You can you can go and buy a wolf tank, like. 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:00.480 You could be walking around with one in your pocket 0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:04.040 right now. In fact, I am. 0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:10.319 You were right about the nick let guy showing up 0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:12.520 in Green Bay with wearing a Chinese dress. 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:22.120 What you think about that, Krin More, that's totally. 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:24.720 Thanks. 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:27.400 Now here's the thing, speaking of Kren, here's the thing 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:32.400 Krin has been hot on. Crin's hot on, like urban 0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:37.400 urban rat hunting is the new flathead noodling? 0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:41.480 Do you agree, Sydney? 0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:48.640 Do you remember? Do you remember the way flathead noodling 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:55.920 just captured the collective imagination of American media. It was like, 0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:59.080 there's always been some guys that noodle flatheads. Bercard Bilger 0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:01.960 wrote the book Noodling for Flatheads, which is about Southern 0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:05.840 the way Southern culture still exists in the US, and 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:10.920 exploration of Southern culture. And it became that every TV 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:16.359 host anyone on the planet over the next decade went 0:56:16.480 --> 0:56:21.160 noodle to flathead Ryan, anyone, have you noodled flat Yeah? Okay, 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:24.320 I didn't, But I also never got a tattooed. 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:27.439 I'm not gonna lie. It was so much fun, so fun. 0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:28.960 No, no, I'm not a down on it. I'm not 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:30.960 down on it. I'm just observing that it became a 0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:32.040 media fascination. 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:34.759 It was it was a trend it a trend. 0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:37.320 And right now it is a major trend and Krinn 0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:41.760 is hot on it to go rat killing with dogs 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:45.160 and cities. And while noodling was supposed to be like 0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:50.720 a city man's introduction into rural culture, this is a 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:56.759 rural introduction into urban culture, like you'd come from the 0:56:56.840 --> 0:57:01.880 sticks to go see how these city boys rat killer dogs. 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:03.880 Like Jack Terrier's probably right. 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:08.160 Is Crin is really itching to have one of these 0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:09.239 rat hunters on the show. 0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:14.160 They're up in northern Montana, on the border of Canada, 0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:17.400 because Jack, you might we're talking about to our front 0:57:17.440 --> 0:57:22.000 Tie and Calgary. There's no rat population in Alberta. I 0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:24.720 think because they just completely wiped them out. They got 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:30.840 them yep, with dogs maybe, but that's like in the 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:32.000 rit and it's on the border. 0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:35.440 This hasn't come up with me eat a trivia. But 0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:39.439 my understanding is Anchorage, Alaska is the large something has 0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:43.840 some superlative it's the largest, the world's largest port city 0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:47.880 with no rats. And when a rat shows up, they 0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:52.920 have a ship fit they do when a rat someone 0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:55.560 if a boat comes into the rat it's like code red. 0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:58.680 So Krim, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna 0:57:58.680 --> 0:57:59.640 get one of these people on or not. 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:03.160 No, I just want to clarify, I'm not quite sure 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:06.440 I want to have one of these city folks. I 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:09.200 just find it, No, I just find it hilarious that 0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:15.520 major mainstream UH news organizations and newspapers seem to have 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:23.760 a fascination with hunting through the lens of UH you know, 0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:30.240 city residents hunting rats with their docs. In's right, they're 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:32.680 all it's like you can you can just google it 0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:37.840 and their articles in like uh New York Magazine, Washington Post, 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:38.680 the New York. 0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:43.360 Times sends them all to me, I have the. 0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:46.360 Washington posted a podcast about these rats, like it's just 0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:47.360 I don't know. 0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:49.720 Text a lot, and I have to sort through all 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:54.000 her rat killing, all her rat the ones that interest me. 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:56.640 You helped to like look up the facts. But when 0:58:56.640 --> 0:59:00.360 we're in New Zealand, we're watching the television with the news, Okay, 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:03.640 tell them TV Russian TV news is on. They were 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:09.200 having a cat killing contest, like house cat geral cats. 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:11.720 Yes, and they got the school kids rolled into it, yep. 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:14.400 And it was a tournament and they had they had 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:18.240 to literally cancel the tournament because some people's house cats 0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:20.240 were actually getting killed with collars. 0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:23.160 Then covered it. 0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:26.120 Yeah, well we covered we didn't cover that aspect of 0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:28.800 We covered the aspect of it that everyone was fine 0:59:28.800 --> 0:59:30.880 with it until they got the kids involved. And then 0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:32.080 then people got like. 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:35.360 There if I wasn't until they're like, where's a mister Peppers. 0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:37.240 He was here today and he got out and he 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:37.920 got killed. 0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:40.800 Well, you know what I'd say, I'd say was mister 0:59:40.880 --> 0:59:41.920 Peppers maybe not in the. 0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:43.760 House, but mister Peppers got out the house. 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:47.760 That's on him. Then it says that's on mister Pepper. 0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:50.560 It says the kid who killed the most cats between 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:53.440 mid April and the end of June won a total 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:55.280 of one hundred and fifty five dollars. 0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:58.480 What a time to be alive. That old fashion of 0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:03.600 fun that was just springs right now the New Zealand 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:05.120 yesterday is today. 1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:06.400 If we had. 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:20.920 That's nuts a Sydney earlier we were talking about I 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:22.720 was talking about we're talking about hunting as kids, and 1:00:22.760 --> 1:00:25.800 you talk about growing up and like falling asleep. Oh yeah, 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:27.120 I under a blanket. 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:27.960 And the blanket to the blind. 1:00:28.000 --> 1:00:29.280 So you got you got into it young. 1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:32.200 Yeah, it was more like a like how you told 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:34.760 your kids. I don't care what you're doing. Cancer plants 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:35.360 are coming with me. 1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:37.720 Yeah, like better tell Johnny you can't make. 1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:40.760 Yeah, that was how it was. But Dad, it's cold, 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:43.080 it's too early. We'll bring your blanket. You can sleep 1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:45.240 on the floor. So that's what I would do, just 1:00:46.000 --> 1:00:48.240 like five years old, sleeping and he'd wake me up. 1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:50.280 That's why I called my first turkey woke me up. 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:52.280 I shout a jake. 1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:53.959 He woke you up and let you know his time. 1:00:54.280 --> 1:00:58.120 Yep, he's like, you know, I'm like seven, I think, 1:00:58.320 --> 1:01:00.720 and I shot him. Yeah, shouted jake. Did it was 1:01:00.880 --> 1:01:01.680 midday snooze? 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:04.880 Did you ever think it was? Was it close to backfire? 1:01:04.880 --> 1:01:06.760 And what do you mean? 1:01:07.120 --> 1:01:09.000 That's the whole argument people make. People say like, well, 1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:10.800 I'm just easing my kids thin because I don't want to. 1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:13.080 Backfire, not in a blackfire. 1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:15.680 I mean I always saying, what, like was that was 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:17.320 that part of the calculus at all? 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:20.040 Like what do you for me? 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:22.760 Uh no, no, it's not, it's not. I need to 1:01:23.000 --> 1:01:25.080 I need to note it down. Smart ducks. I'm asking 1:01:25.120 --> 1:01:26.200 a very confusing question. 1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:31.480 Did your like, did you eating out that early? 1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:35.000 Did it either like come close to turning you off, 1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:38.520 or did your dad worry about turning you off by 1:01:38.680 --> 1:01:41.680 just being like we're going I don't care what you want. 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:43.920 No, because it made it like a natural thing, like 1:01:44.000 --> 1:01:46.640 I will I. Since I was little, I had a 1:01:46.680 --> 1:01:49.080 bone arrow, and so I always knew that that was 1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:52.120 what we did. I had no idea. I mean for Easter. 1:01:52.240 --> 1:01:54.160 We would go to Texas every year for my Easter 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:56.200 break and we would They would put out like the 1:01:56.280 --> 1:01:58.640 Mexican Easter eggs where you smash them when the caffetti 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:01.320 comes out in the woods. So we would be hunting hogs. 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:03.760 We'd be walking around and there'd be Easter eggs. We'd 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:07.080 collect them and put them in so awesome, it's so 1:02:07.160 --> 1:02:10.880 funny serious, and then like Thanksgiving that's where we would go, 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.440 we'd go back to Texas. It's like I just that 1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:15.280 was a normal for me. That's what we did. That 1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:17.480 was our hobby. So it wasn't like turning off. I 1:02:17.480 --> 1:02:21.080 think if you started later, like maybe when kids are 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:23.400 in high school or maybe like late middle school, when 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:25.600 they already had that social connection and they already kind 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:27.600 of grew up with different hobbies or sports, that's when 1:02:27.600 --> 1:02:29.160 it could maybe turn them off if you force it 1:02:29.160 --> 1:02:32.240 too much, because they already kind of grew into something else. 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:34.720 But I just right from the get go, I was 1:02:34.800 --> 1:02:37.080 hunting and fishing and that's all I knew. And then 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:40.320 I'd got into other sports. But in high school I 1:02:40.360 --> 1:02:42.840 got a little bit more social, So it would have 1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:44.600 turned me off if it was a little bit more pressured. 1:02:44.640 --> 1:02:46.760 But did you ever take a year long break? 1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:48.680 I mean when I was in high school, I was 1:02:48.720 --> 1:02:52.360 in softball and basketball, so slowed down, slowed down, and 1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:54.680 I was like a little social butterfly, but I still hunted. 1:02:54.720 --> 1:02:55.960 And then I got to college and then I was 1:02:56.000 --> 1:02:57.600 like back on the grind. 1:02:58.200 --> 1:02:59.880 Really, Yeah, where'd you go to college? 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:02.560 I went to Illinois Wesleyan University as a private school 1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:06.160 in near Illinois state. What's it called Illinois Wesleyan. 1:03:06.720 --> 1:03:08.880 I've heard of, like Hillary Clinton go to Wesleyan. 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:11.240 There's a lot of different Wesleyans. There's like an Iowa 1:03:11.480 --> 1:03:17.120 An Indiana. I don't know. Probably they're like, yeah, I 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:18.320 don't know, they're all similar. 1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:20.040 And what kind of hunting did you do there? 1:03:20.960 --> 1:03:21.080 So? 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:23.600 I was a nursing school there, and uh, I so 1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:25.520 didn't have a lot of time, but I had a buddy. 1:03:26.200 --> 1:03:27.760 It was my dad's friend that let me hunt his 1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:30.440 property about fifteen minutes away, so I would be in 1:03:30.440 --> 1:03:31.960 my scrubs and I would take him off of my 1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:34.240 hunting clothes on really fast and get fifteen minutes and 1:03:34.280 --> 1:03:36.479 climb up a tree and a deer hunt. 1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:38.320 Did you finish the nursing deal up? 1:03:38.400 --> 1:03:41.040 Yeah, I'm a nurse, really, but I never practiced as 1:03:41.040 --> 1:03:45.680 a nurse. Just a waste of money. Yeah, I'm like, dang, 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:47.760 I got these student loans. I don't even use it 1:03:47.840 --> 1:03:48.200 at least. 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:50.120 Oh yeah, they're going to cut everybody loose. 1:03:50.440 --> 1:03:51.720 That's not uncommon. 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:53.920 Oh my gosh. Yeah, but like a nurse, I could 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:56.320 have done something different. I mean, I can always fall 1:03:56.320 --> 1:03:58.760 back on it. I'm very happy, but it sucked. 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:03.000 You're still all the money? Yeah, I remember. It felt 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:04.800 pretty good. And I finally paid off my student loan. 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:08.240 And now when they talk about forgiving everybody, I'm like, dude, 1:04:08.240 --> 1:04:10.600 a little late for that. I paid mine off. Yeah, 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:13.960 give everybody. I want my money back, Like, why should 1:04:14.040 --> 1:04:15.919 I be penalized for having paid mine off? 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:16.400 Then? 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:19.680 Also everybody else gets to walk. It's totally unfair. 1:04:19.760 --> 1:04:21.320 It's not gonna happen. I'm just gonna have to keep 1:04:21.320 --> 1:04:23.520 crying and paying it off, like I don't even use this. Dude. 1:04:23.560 --> 1:04:25.240 If you get years paid off, there, send me some 1:04:25.280 --> 1:04:29.479 of that money. I paid my stuff, man, I paid 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:36.720 myself like an American old kind Yeah. Yeah, old style 1:04:37.880 --> 1:04:38.960 pay their loans. 1:04:39.440 --> 1:04:39.880 Uh. 1:04:41.120 --> 1:04:42.720 Well, how old are when you got your first deer? 1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:47.720 I shot a button buck and I think I was 1:04:47.800 --> 1:04:54.240 like eight or nine. My bow forget yeah, cross compound bow, 1:04:56.080 --> 1:04:58.160 a vertical bow. Yeah, I have a picture of it. 1:04:59.040 --> 1:05:00.400 What's the world come to that? I have to say? 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:03.240 Vertical boat compound? Yeah? 1:05:03.320 --> 1:05:06.840 Yeah, I remember I was honey with an old serious Yeah. 1:05:06.960 --> 1:05:07.720 He recovered it. 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:11.120 Yeah, I mean it was fifteen yard shot. I just 1:05:11.120 --> 1:05:12.960 remember he died in like a little field right in 1:05:12.960 --> 1:05:13.360 front of me. 1:05:13.680 --> 1:05:16.040 I shot a button buck my first year with the 1:05:16.080 --> 1:05:17.919 boat at twelve. So he got me beat. 1:05:18.080 --> 1:05:20.680 Oh there we go, no kid. Yeah. And this old 1:05:20.760 --> 1:05:22.520 man that was Honey with, he's so nice and he 1:05:22.600 --> 1:05:23.480 was so excited for me. 1:05:23.680 --> 1:05:24.360 Who was the old man? 1:05:24.600 --> 1:05:26.600 He's my grandpa's friend. I don't even know. 1:05:26.640 --> 1:05:27.160 He just took me. 1:05:27.200 --> 1:05:28.480 I have to get us to supervision. 1:05:28.520 --> 1:05:29.880 They're like, you take her. 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:36.080 I I was so excited. He gave me a payday, 1:05:36.520 --> 1:05:38.959 and I was like, oh, you know, I'm little only 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:41.800 I hate paydays. So I pretend to like drop it, 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:43.480 you know, and they're like, oh, I dropped it. And 1:05:43.480 --> 1:05:46.960 he's like, oh, it's okay, I got another one. I'll 1:05:46.960 --> 1:05:49.400 never forget that, never forget that. 1:05:49.480 --> 1:05:49.720 Yeah. 1:05:49.880 --> 1:05:51.400 So young though, man, that's young. 1:05:51.920 --> 1:05:52.640 Yeah. 1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:55.240 Had you been shooting? Did you start shooting when you're 1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:55.720 real little? 1:05:55.920 --> 1:05:57.919 Yeah? We still have the little compounds. 1:05:58.160 --> 1:06:01.760 It's like like this big yeah, and now you probably 1:06:01.760 --> 1:06:04.440 shoot it and you're like, how in the hell did 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:06.520 I kill a deer with that thing? That's that's the 1:06:06.560 --> 1:06:07.920 way I look at that little town. 1:06:08.000 --> 1:06:09.560 I think I got lucky. It was a button buck. 1:06:09.960 --> 1:06:12.080 I don't need too much in the button book. 1:06:12.120 --> 1:06:12.320 You know. 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:14.360 Well you still got I hit it. 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:17.360 I still got to hit it perfectly. Yeah, not perfect nowadays, 1:06:17.360 --> 1:06:19.800 but huh. Yeah. 1:06:19.840 --> 1:06:21.760 And that's like your passion today is whitetail hunt. 1:06:21.920 --> 1:06:24.320 Yeah. It's just kind of like what we were talking 1:06:24.360 --> 1:06:26.400 in the blind. It's like when you're really good at something, 1:06:26.800 --> 1:06:28.840 that's something that I'm confident about, like I know what 1:06:28.880 --> 1:06:31.200 I'm doing. There's other things that I like doing, like 1:06:31.280 --> 1:06:33.680 waterfowl hunting. I don't know everything. I'm okay with saying 1:06:33.680 --> 1:06:35.600 like I don't know everything about waterfell honety. I like 1:06:35.640 --> 1:06:38.240 to go with my friends, but like that stuff's my 1:06:38.280 --> 1:06:40.280 bread and butter. So that's why I love it so much. 1:06:41.080 --> 1:06:42.360 And how much time do you put it into it 1:06:42.360 --> 1:06:42.760 every year? 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:47.320 I mean a lot. I one year I hunted ninety 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:49.680 days straight because my white tail I didn't kill until. 1:06:49.480 --> 1:06:51.120 January ninety days straight. 1:06:51.800 --> 1:06:52.040 Wow. 1:06:52.200 --> 1:06:54.320 That was when I just graduated college and I was 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:57.360 trying to like make video and get into this content 1:06:57.440 --> 1:06:59.840 creation and I really wanted to kill a big white 1:07:00.080 --> 1:07:03.720 ill and I did it finally like two days. 1:07:03.720 --> 1:07:04.760 Started to lose your mind. 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:07.120 Yeah, absolutely. I was just destroyed. I was the only 1:07:07.160 --> 1:07:09.280 one in the family had who hadn't killed one, and 1:07:09.320 --> 1:07:11.080 I was the one that hunted the most and had 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:14.400 it even fired an arrow. So it was pretty distraught, 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:15.560 but I got it done. 1:07:15.880 --> 1:07:17.560 Were you trying to find a specific buck. 1:07:18.200 --> 1:07:20.000 Yes, his name is mister Perfect. So a lot of 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:23.680 people who followed along with my Instagram and my socials 1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:26.040 and everything, they knew who mister Perfect was. And I 1:07:26.080 --> 1:07:29.240 got into fifteen yards of him and he was quartered 1:07:30.040 --> 1:07:33.800 towards me, and uh, he just got spooked and ran 1:07:33.880 --> 1:07:36.520 off and distraught. Never killed him? 1:07:36.760 --> 1:07:38.600 Oh you never got him? No, where is he now? 1:07:38.840 --> 1:07:40.760 Well my dad killed him the next year. But that's 1:07:40.800 --> 1:07:42.919 okay because he killed him and I killed his book. 1:07:43.000 --> 1:07:45.600 So we just kind of flopped switch swop. Yeah, what 1:07:45.680 --> 1:07:46.480 year was this going on? 1:07:46.560 --> 1:07:50.600 Then twenty twenty twenty got it? 1:07:50.920 --> 1:07:53.000 Yeah, and that buck died in twenty twenty one. 1:07:53.600 --> 1:07:56.120 Mister Percy, mister perfect died in twenty twenty one. He 1:07:56.160 --> 1:07:57.040 was a nine year old deer. 1:07:57.440 --> 1:07:58.640 Do you guys name all your deer? 1:07:59.120 --> 1:08:01.080 Are big ones? Yeah? This year, we don't have any 1:08:01.120 --> 1:08:04.280 deer that we've named, So we're just kind of like whatever. 1:08:04.080 --> 1:08:07.200 Store, like, no one deserves getting talked about. 1:08:07.720 --> 1:08:11.320 Yeah, well there's some, but yeah, not really. I mean 1:08:11.320 --> 1:08:14.479 there's some big ones, but there's there's a home farm 1:08:14.600 --> 1:08:16.639 of ours that we like are you know, my great 1:08:16.720 --> 1:08:19.080 dad grew up my family grew up on and it's 1:08:19.080 --> 1:08:21.240 really special to us, and we're really picky with what 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:23.040 we harvest off of the property. We're not going to 1:08:23.120 --> 1:08:26.080 like over abundance harvest the deer. Like if there's a 1:08:26.160 --> 1:08:27.760 nice four and a half year old five year old, 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:31.400 we'll probably leave him, you know. But the big bucks 1:08:31.400 --> 1:08:33.320 we killed last year were eight and nine, so they 1:08:33.360 --> 1:08:35.880 were old deer that we were after for multiply multiple years. 1:08:35.920 --> 1:08:40.400 They kept tricking us, so that's yeah, that's when we 1:08:40.400 --> 1:08:42.679 we named them. And then we killed our two big 1:08:42.720 --> 1:08:44.559 ones last year, and then this year is just kind 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:48.920 of up and comers. We call it the what did I? 1:08:48.960 --> 1:08:50.479 What did we say? My dad and I were hunting. 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:52.439 We called it one hundred acres and there's just like 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:55.280 that's where all the little spikes live. There's like twenty 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:57.160 spikes running around. They're like, well, we just need to 1:08:57.200 --> 1:08:58.880 go to a different property. We're gonna let this one 1:08:58.880 --> 1:08:59.880 grow for a couple of years. 1:09:00.320 --> 1:09:02.720 At that age, they walk around looking up, don't they. 1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:05.639 Yeah, there's they're just walking around. They're gonna stand five 1:09:05.720 --> 1:09:06.479 yards from me and just. 1:09:06.400 --> 1:09:08.280 Like, well, I'm saying that eight or nine years old. 1:09:08.520 --> 1:09:11.080 Oh oh yeah, like that knows the look. 1:09:11.160 --> 1:09:12.720 He knows to check the trees before he goes. 1:09:12.880 --> 1:09:15.680 Absolutely. I was hunting this aercup we called six pack, 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:18.839 and he was perfect. He was a pretty twelve pointer. Okay, 1:09:19.120 --> 1:09:21.800 he was like seven years old. This dough is in 1:09:21.800 --> 1:09:23.760 the middle of the rut. She came right under my 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:28.519 stand five yards I'm like, holy shit, he's coming. He came, 1:09:28.600 --> 1:09:32.160 stopped fifteen yards and was just looking up and then 1:09:32.240 --> 1:09:34.840 just turned around and walked away and never got a 1:09:34.840 --> 1:09:37.880 shot at him. A lady, I killed him, but I 1:09:37.920 --> 1:09:40.200 killed him next year in the rut. So I was like, 1:09:41.800 --> 1:09:42.120 I love. 1:09:43.760 --> 1:09:46.879 Who gets to have the n who gets dames come natural? 1:09:47.040 --> 1:09:48.840 My dad names him. I'm like, all right, let's roll 1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:49.160 with it. 1:09:49.640 --> 1:09:49.960 Got you? 1:09:50.200 --> 1:09:50.599 Yeah? 1:09:50.640 --> 1:09:52.680 Do you get a lot of deers showing up in 1:09:52.760 --> 1:09:54.040 the rut that you don't see? 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:56.479 Yes, that's why we love the road. We have a 1:09:56.479 --> 1:09:59.600 couple pieces that we hunt that you know, but but 1:09:59.720 --> 1:10:03.800 up there some neighbors or some reserves, and that's when 1:10:03.840 --> 1:10:05.439 it's just like game on, like this time of the year. 1:10:05.479 --> 1:10:07.040 That's my favorite place is to hunt suks you just 1:10:07.080 --> 1:10:09.839 don't know. And I love places where there's no trail cameras. 1:10:09.960 --> 1:10:11.200 Yeah, because. 1:10:12.560 --> 1:10:16.760 Yeah, I think trail cameras honestly ruin it for you. 1:10:17.200 --> 1:10:19.800 They think they ruin it like you. You're constantly looking 1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:22.479 at him. I mean I'm constantly looking at him. I'm like, 1:10:22.479 --> 1:10:25.000 were they popping up? So when it's an area where 1:10:25.040 --> 1:10:26.839 I can hang a new stand or getting a climber 1:10:26.880 --> 1:10:28.599 and I'm like, I have no idea what's been coming 1:10:28.600 --> 1:10:30.040 in here. I can look at the tracks, look at 1:10:30.080 --> 1:10:33.559 the sign, and then who knows what's coming coming to me? 1:10:33.600 --> 1:10:33.760 You know? 1:10:33.920 --> 1:10:37.000 I feel like they prevent you from going hunting too, 1:10:37.040 --> 1:10:38.920 because if you don't have anything on your trail camera, 1:10:39.320 --> 1:10:41.240 I'm you gonna go hunting and sit in that stand. 1:10:41.680 --> 1:10:45.640 Yeah, but you can miss, you can miss some like 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:48.080 I gotta I almost gotta like. I thought of this 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:50.840 the other day. I was on my and drive my 1:10:50.920 --> 1:10:53.400 jet boat down the river, and I was like, there's 1:10:53.439 --> 1:10:57.000 nothing sounds better than your own jet boat, and nothing 1:10:57.040 --> 1:11:00.400 sounds worse than someone else's jet boat. I feel like 1:11:00.479 --> 1:11:03.120 trail cameras nothing better than your own trail camera, nothing 1:11:03.200 --> 1:11:07.840 worse than you'd like, you don't be sweet if I 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:11.200 was the only guy that knew about these, because I like, 1:11:11.600 --> 1:11:13.439 I love setting them out and looking at them. The 1:11:13.479 --> 1:11:15.280 only time I wound up with a problem with them 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:18.479 is if you're in one of the states where and 1:11:18.600 --> 1:11:21.800 use cellular and you're hunting and you got one, and 1:11:21.840 --> 1:11:24.280 you're hunt with one of those people that's just constantly 1:11:24.360 --> 1:11:29.240 telling you what's going on, Like, look at what happened 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:32.680 while you were right, yes, the minute you you know, 1:11:32.760 --> 1:11:34.640 if you'd have gone left and not right, look what 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:38.880 after a while? Just that's great. You can't tell me 1:11:38.880 --> 1:11:43.599 anymore because it's it's detracting from my experience, you know. 1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:46.639 And it's like it'd be like when we had babies. 1:11:47.960 --> 1:11:50.679 I'd always want to know what they were going to be, right, 1:11:50.720 --> 1:11:53.439 like boy, girl, whatever, because they know and I didn't 1:11:53.439 --> 1:11:55.680 want to. I don't like anything like why would the 1:11:55.720 --> 1:11:58.639 doctor know? But I don't know. So people would want 1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:00.400 to be superb. My wife like we should be surprised, 1:12:00.479 --> 1:12:03.040 But I can't be surprised because that guy knows. Anyways. Now, 1:12:03.040 --> 1:12:05.559 if he didn't know that I didn't know, that'd be fine. 1:12:05.600 --> 1:12:07.519 But if he knows, I need to know. Yeah, And 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:09.320 so the whole trail camp thing, even when you tell 1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:11.720 someone to stop telling you, you still know they know. 1:12:11.920 --> 1:12:13.240 And then you're like, okay, fine, just tell me. 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:16.679 Yeah. Yeah, that's the only problem I have with them. 1:12:16.720 --> 1:12:18.679 I mean it's nice. It's just like you talk about 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:20.479 trapping and putting them out. It's kind of fun to 1:12:20.520 --> 1:12:22.360 see what's coming by and what you get trapped. 1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:24.880 Well, that's just that's just wildlife observation. 1:12:25.320 --> 1:12:28.599 Well, I enjoy that. Yeah, and then when it comes to, oh, 1:12:29.200 --> 1:12:31.360 where's all my big bucks, it's just it does ruin 1:12:31.400 --> 1:12:33.640 it a little bit. Nothing shows up, be like, well, 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:37.000 I'm not going to go there. Maybe mmmm, I don't know. 1:12:37.240 --> 1:12:39.000 I love it, I love hate relationship. 1:12:39.120 --> 1:12:42.559 I just got back from Wisconsin on my parents' property 1:12:42.560 --> 1:12:45.360 and we don't have any giants walking around this year, 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:48.400 and it we have some nice ones, but it definitely 1:12:48.560 --> 1:12:50.040 was like, like. 1:12:50.160 --> 1:12:52.200 Man like because you were a trail cam and he 1:12:52.280 --> 1:12:53.800 never got them right. 1:12:54.120 --> 1:12:56.880 Yeah, I mean we we were trail cam and deer 1:12:57.000 --> 1:13:01.040 that that like shooters, but usually there's like on camera 1:13:01.120 --> 1:13:03.960 we have one or two giants, and we did not 1:13:04.120 --> 1:13:07.000 have that this year. So I wasn't like as excited 1:13:07.040 --> 1:13:11.400 when I got out there sit in the tree stand. Yeah, 1:13:11.640 --> 1:13:14.200 but the thing that kind of kept me going is like, 1:13:14.840 --> 1:13:17.640 you never know, it's the rut and deer can show up. 1:13:17.680 --> 1:13:20.960 But if we didn't have those trail cameras, I probably 1:13:21.000 --> 1:13:22.840 would have hunted a little bit harder. 1:13:23.479 --> 1:13:26.840 Well, let's revisit something. It wasn't in this in our 1:13:26.920 --> 1:13:28.720 last studio, so I can't say it happened right in 1:13:28.720 --> 1:13:32.479 this room. But remember we had dustin huff on. Yeah, 1:13:32.479 --> 1:13:36.920 who killed the huffbuck. So biggest white tail killed in 1:13:36.960 --> 1:13:40.640 the in the US, right, is the second biggest in 1:13:40.640 --> 1:13:40.920 the world. 1:13:42.240 --> 1:13:42.959 It's big. 1:13:44.360 --> 1:13:48.400 Biggest biggest white tail typical, right, biggest typical, the biggest 1:13:48.439 --> 1:13:52.200 typical white tail in the lower in the US. He 1:13:52.240 --> 1:13:53.360 never got a picture. 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:56.400 Of it, but he had cameras out. 1:13:56.479 --> 1:14:00.839 But other guys got pictures of it but didn't tell him. 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:03.280 So once he killed it, he realized every time dicking 1:14:03.320 --> 1:14:06.960 Harry around town had a picture of it but weren't 1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:11.280 telling anybody. He's like, eh, and he didn't know about it. Yeah, 1:14:12.360 --> 1:14:14.920 that's awesome. So it's like, you know what I mean. 1:14:15.680 --> 1:14:17.360 So you could be like, wow, there's no point in 1:14:17.400 --> 1:14:18.679 going out, but dude. 1:14:19.920 --> 1:14:24.360 Yeah, yeah, I mean I still went out. Yeah, And 1:14:24.400 --> 1:14:27.080 I was like, there is a chance to have something 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:29.400 like that happen in the area we're at, for sure. 1:14:29.800 --> 1:14:32.040 But when you don't have that deer showing up like 1:14:32.200 --> 1:14:35.320 we have in the past, like big, it's just you're 1:14:35.360 --> 1:14:38.680 not quite as. 1:14:38.479 --> 1:14:40.720 Honestly, this year though I think not this is just 1:14:40.760 --> 1:14:42.800 this year, but every year, just during their run, Like 1:14:42.800 --> 1:14:45.519 we were talking, it's the best time because whenever I 1:14:45.680 --> 1:14:48.160 just see a bigger deer moving. I'm like, the big 1:14:48.200 --> 1:14:50.639 boys are moving as time. And that's when I took 1:14:50.720 --> 1:14:53.760 Jack out with me where we didn't have the new 1:14:53.760 --> 1:14:56.200 trail cameras. I had a neighbor call me and say, 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:58.200 I've seen a drop time buck in one of those fields. 1:14:58.200 --> 1:15:00.400 I'm like, all right, we're just gonna go over there 1:15:00.400 --> 1:15:03.040 and rattle. When we had two giants come in, like 1:15:03.600 --> 1:15:04.960 game on, but that's the best time. 1:15:05.439 --> 1:15:07.320 There's no Why why didn't you shoot those? Because they 1:15:07.360 --> 1:15:07.880 weren't big enough. 1:15:07.920 --> 1:15:09.960 You didn't get No, I didn't get a chance. The 1:15:10.000 --> 1:15:12.920 big one came in. Uh, the wind was swirling. He 1:15:13.080 --> 1:15:14.760 was in front of a bunch of tall corn stocks, 1:15:14.800 --> 1:15:16.840 and I was shooting mechanical, so I didn't want to 1:15:16.840 --> 1:15:20.040 shoot through the corn obviously, because you know, one nick 1:15:20.040 --> 1:15:23.400 it's going the opposite direction. But he was a five 1:15:23.479 --> 1:15:26.120 on one side, big two on the other. He was funky, 1:15:26.200 --> 1:15:27.640 but he was very heavy, and he was probably like 1:15:27.640 --> 1:15:29.439 a five and a half year old deer maybe six. 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:33.479 Got my wind smart he circled you did. Yeah. I 1:15:33.560 --> 1:15:36.120 was so upset because he was thirty yards but he 1:15:36.200 --> 1:15:37.599 was just in front of that corn and I wasn't 1:15:37.640 --> 1:15:39.880 about to chance and on a mechanical broadhead and try 1:15:39.920 --> 1:15:40.599 to wound him. 1:15:41.040 --> 1:15:42.360 So have you had a fix? 1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:42.720 You did? 1:15:42.720 --> 1:15:43.840 Just shot right through that corn. 1:15:44.160 --> 1:15:45.920 If I had a better opening, I didn't want to. 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:47.519 You know, with a mechanical you can have like a 1:15:47.560 --> 1:15:52.920 little tiny sliver of something and just yeah, yeah. 1:15:52.479 --> 1:15:55.840 I don't want to be crashed. But when you when 1:15:55.880 --> 1:15:57.840 you say, like, like, are you like a numbers person, 1:15:59.080 --> 1:16:00.880 Uh like score numbers. 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:03.760 No, we don't score a dear. Okay, I've never scored 1:16:03.760 --> 1:16:05.160 any my dear. Huh. 1:16:06.160 --> 1:16:08.240 So it just it feels like a big one. 1:16:08.360 --> 1:16:11.200 Yeah, I think it's a big it's a big dear. 1:16:11.560 --> 1:16:14.960 I'm like, mass, he looks like that big body, doesn't 1:16:14.960 --> 1:16:17.360 look young, got it? I'm shooting him. 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:19.800 Arrol's fine, Yeah, you're not like, he looks like a 1:16:19.800 --> 1:16:21.760 one seventy. I'm going to hold out for a one 1:16:21.880 --> 1:16:25.120 seventy five. No, that that'd be pretty big for white tails. 1:16:25.200 --> 1:16:27.240 Yeah, yeah, it's pretty I mean we're in in the Midwest, 1:16:27.320 --> 1:16:29.439 is nice. So we get some big bucks, but don't 1:16:29.800 --> 1:16:32.960 happy with one fifty one sixty. I got two tags, 1:16:33.400 --> 1:16:34.680 so got it? 1:16:35.000 --> 1:16:36.080 Never put a tape to one. 1:16:36.720 --> 1:16:37.519 I don't even know how. 1:16:38.439 --> 1:16:41.280 I'm not kidding I have a little pamphlet that shows 1:16:41.320 --> 1:16:44.280 you how we scored my boys antelope there today his 1:16:44.360 --> 1:16:47.719 prong horn. But I I go years without scoring something. 1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:49.760 But whatever, a friend of mine wants to score something, 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:52.479 I get real happy. I just don't personally ever score anything. 1:16:52.520 --> 1:16:53.840 But antelop are super easy to score. 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:54.920 Yeah, I could. 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:57.040 See Jimmy getting way into that score. 1:16:56.840 --> 1:17:02.960 Way into it. Wait, Jimmy this year, No, but he 1:17:03.080 --> 1:17:06.759 wanted to. 1:17:06.000 --> 1:17:07.960 At that age. I was telling these guys earlier day. 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:12.720 At that age, they're real into like him and all 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:15.600 the kids at school that hunt. They're real into like 1:17:15.880 --> 1:17:21.200 who got what with what caliber rifle? Yeah, so it'd 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:26.120 be like I'd love that. Though Cayden got a buck 1:17:26.200 --> 1:17:33.000 with a six five creed where I don't know, I 1:17:33.000 --> 1:17:39.200 don't know. It's just like the whole point, the whole 1:17:39.240 --> 1:17:39.840 point is. 1:17:39.800 --> 1:17:43.519 What Jimmy got one within mag and it didn't have 1:17:43.640 --> 1:17:44.479 a muscle break. 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:52.080 Yeah, they're all like gun riders performed flawlessly. I remember 1:17:52.120 --> 1:17:53.760 a dude bragging to me one time. It was a 1:17:53.840 --> 1:17:56.040 dude in Canada bragging to me that his kid killed 1:17:56.040 --> 1:17:58.599 an elk with the two forty three. I was like, Wow, 1:17:58.640 --> 1:18:01.479 that's something. And later I met the kid was talking 1:18:01.479 --> 1:18:03.679 to He shot it nine times. This was the dad 1:18:03.800 --> 1:18:04.240 left eye. 1:18:06.800 --> 1:18:11.120 Oh no. The kids they're just like yes. 1:18:11.840 --> 1:18:14.000 He's like, I try to die by the time I 1:18:14.000 --> 1:18:19.000 was old. Man just didn't tell me that. That's the 1:18:19.040 --> 1:18:20.360 thing I have too in my kids. He's like, what 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:23.000 a blank kill a blank? Always? Could you kill a 1:18:23.000 --> 1:18:25.439 bear of the twenty two? Kill a bear of the 1:18:25.479 --> 1:18:31.679 butter knife? May have you got enough time? It's so yes, 1:18:31.760 --> 1:18:44.559 but no, now, uh you do a little duck hunting 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:50.120 mm hmm. But opportunistically we share. We're opportunistic duck hunters. 1:18:50.200 --> 1:18:53.840 We are. I think we're similar with a variety that 1:18:54.000 --> 1:18:55.479 we harvest a variety of things. 1:18:56.280 --> 1:18:59.040 Some have opportunistically and some of it. You put it 1:18:59.080 --> 1:19:00.920 like this. He's like, it's just not where I spend 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:04.080 the energy. Yeah, you'll go, but it's not where you put. 1:19:03.960 --> 1:19:09.080 The energy exactly. It's more of just I have a 1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:11.719 little bit of free time, or I killed my white 1:19:11.760 --> 1:19:13.920 tail and I can kind of hang out a little bit. 1:19:13.960 --> 1:19:16.120 My grandpa wants to go, Grandpa and I will go out. 1:19:16.439 --> 1:19:19.800 Or if it's snowing, it's like ten degrees right, ten 1:19:19.840 --> 1:19:22.880 mile an hour winds, snow's coming in. I'm gonna go 1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:24.240 duck hunting with my. 1:19:24.560 --> 1:19:26.080 And you go hunt what kind of stuff? 1:19:27.720 --> 1:19:28.559 And what kind of stuff? 1:19:29.000 --> 1:19:31.000 Yeah, like what kind of you guys field hunting? 1:19:31.040 --> 1:19:34.960 You guys hunting or flooded timber or a flooded corn. 1:19:36.200 --> 1:19:36.360 Corn? 1:19:36.640 --> 1:19:37.479 So it can be pretty good. 1:19:37.600 --> 1:19:39.000 Yeah, it can be pretty good. Yeah. 1:19:39.120 --> 1:19:42.000 Now you a squirrel hunter? Yes, you squirrel hunting? 1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:42.280 Yep. 1:19:42.720 --> 1:19:45.800 I've taken Jack, who's sitting behind me, squirrel hunting like 1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:47.439 three times already this year. 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:49.720 Yeah. You guys just creep through the hardwoods. Or what 1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:50.639 do you guys do when you're. 1:19:50.439 --> 1:19:53.280 Creep through the hard woods? Listen firm jumping tree to 1:19:53.320 --> 1:19:55.920 tree and shooting with my twenty two or my air gun. 1:19:56.760 --> 1:19:58.439 That's the noise of them jumping tree to tree. 1:19:58.640 --> 1:20:04.280 They're jumping and they're barked in and they're cutting redneck 1:20:07.160 --> 1:20:07.879 that noise. 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:09.880 Like, I got to I han't done it in a while, 1:20:09.920 --> 1:20:13.960 but I got to spend spend h five nights and 1:20:14.000 --> 1:20:17.040 four mornings sitting in a tree stand recently hunting and oaks, 1:20:17.080 --> 1:20:22.400 you know, deer feeding on acorns and acorns, acorns and 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:27.320 per simmons. And I kind of forgot about that. You 1:20:27.320 --> 1:20:29.000 know that noise Like when I was a kid, us 1:20:29.120 --> 1:20:34.320 people take two quarters. Oh well no, and rub them 1:20:34.520 --> 1:20:38.200 and it's supposed to be like a like but the squirrel. Yeah, 1:20:38.240 --> 1:20:40.679 but just you can, like sitting in that tree stand, 1:20:41.479 --> 1:20:43.800 you can hear them chewing a nut. Yeah, you hear them, 1:20:43.840 --> 1:20:48.760 not only just them calling. You're like, like, you hear 1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:51.280 like off in the woods, Like what is that? You 1:20:51.360 --> 1:20:56.320 realize it's a squirrel like opening a pecan. Yeah, you 1:20:56.520 --> 1:20:58.240 hear his teeth. It's so quiet. 1:20:58.280 --> 1:21:00.320 Are they're just so you know, they're five fired up 1:21:00.320 --> 1:21:02.559 because there's a deer running underneath them, just barking their 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:03.040 heads off. 1:21:03.040 --> 1:21:08.160 I'm like, perfect, Yeah, it's Uh. The number of squirrels 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:13.280 you see deer hunting gives you a lesson about how 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:15.800 you ought to hunt squirrels. Yeah, if you really want 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:17.599 to hunt squirrels, you'd go and be as serious as 1:21:17.640 --> 1:21:18.160 a deer hunter. 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:20.120 One thing that I do want to try. I don't 1:21:20.120 --> 1:21:21.680 know if you've ever done this or anybody else has, 1:21:21.720 --> 1:21:25.120 but with dogs, we've a bunch of that. I've never 1:21:25.160 --> 1:21:25.479 done that. 1:21:25.920 --> 1:21:28.599 I don't have. I don't when I say I've done 1:21:28.600 --> 1:21:30.519 a bunch of that, I've been the guy that gets 1:21:30.520 --> 1:21:31.840 to tag along shooting all the squirrels. 1:21:31.960 --> 1:21:32.360 Is it fun? 1:21:32.439 --> 1:21:33.439 Oh, it's the best thing in the world. 1:21:33.600 --> 1:21:35.360 Is it cool how the dog works? Yes, say, this 1:21:35.439 --> 1:21:37.679 tree and like a like a raccoon or something, it's. 1:21:37.479 --> 1:21:38.320 The best thing in the world. 1:21:39.240 --> 1:21:40.000 They don't. 1:21:40.479 --> 1:21:42.280 It's different than a raccoon because you normally you got 1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:48.840 usually got to look for them. Yeah, but they hear them, 1:21:48.960 --> 1:21:52.519 they smell them, they see them, whatever, and they're on 1:21:52.720 --> 1:21:56.519 and they're on that tree. They're attacking the tree. And 1:21:56.560 --> 1:22:00.679 then sometimes you got to go in and uh. Here's 1:22:00.720 --> 1:22:05.360 my contribution to this discipline. I've talked two of these 1:22:05.400 --> 1:22:09.400 people into the importance of carrying binoculars because then you 1:22:09.479 --> 1:22:13.360 got to scrutinize the tree to find it laying up there. Yeah, 1:22:13.479 --> 1:22:15.759 my friends will scrutinize it with their twenty two scope, 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:18.400 but I would scrutinize it with binoculars and do better. 1:22:18.880 --> 1:22:19.640 Yeah. 1:22:19.680 --> 1:22:21.519 But sometimes it's like, oh shit, there's a squirrel. But 1:22:21.560 --> 1:22:23.559 sometimes you look and look and look and look and 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:26.360 look and look and look and determined that it went 1:22:26.360 --> 1:22:29.439 into a hole. And then you yell in a hole, 1:22:29.960 --> 1:22:34.000 let's go, you know ho. That's that's the Southerner yelling 1:22:34.000 --> 1:22:36.679 in the hole. It's so much fun. 1:22:36.840 --> 1:22:37.840 All right, I'm gonna try it. 1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:40.400 Oh, it's the It's like on a good day, sess 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:44.599 been out. Yeah, it's the greatest thing. Clay Newcomb's got 1:22:44.640 --> 1:22:47.880 squirrel dogs, and my buddy Kevin Murphy has squirrel dogs 1:22:47.920 --> 1:22:50.120 and we'll go out with those squirrel dogs. And I 1:22:50.120 --> 1:22:52.000 even had him bring his squirrel dogs up to where 1:22:52.040 --> 1:22:54.599 I grew up, because where I grew up, people didn't 1:22:54.640 --> 1:22:57.800 hunt them with dogs. And I thought that it would 1:22:57.840 --> 1:22:59.920 be the greatest thing in the world because of the score. 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:03.040 Wouldn't be whatever, They wouldn't have evolved with that level 1:23:03.040 --> 1:23:06.160 of pressure over the last one hundred years. Whatever made 1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:06.759 no difference. 1:23:06.920 --> 1:23:11.519 And then everybody got poison ivy on the. 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:14.040 Squirrels because those sons of bitches were lining their nests 1:23:14.360 --> 1:23:16.920 with poison. You know when you know when it's glued, 1:23:17.080 --> 1:23:19.840 when poison ivy where it sticks to the tree and 1:23:19.880 --> 1:23:26.240 it makes that hairy that like hairy coating. They're harvesting 1:23:26.280 --> 1:23:31.000 that to line nests. We're hunting late season, they're harvesting 1:23:31.040 --> 1:23:33.679 that to line nests. And the first thing that happened 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:35.400 someone took a picture of a squirrel and they're holding 1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:37.080 you know, like picture that you're laying a squirrel in 1:23:37.080 --> 1:23:39.400 your arm and you're holding the squirrel and you got 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:43.200 like his head coming up your the inside of your wrist, 1:23:43.560 --> 1:23:45.759 like yeah, And they did this for like a picture 1:23:46.400 --> 1:23:50.160 in a while. Lad was that zucker while there's like 1:23:50.200 --> 1:23:56.360 a squirrel outline like a crime scene. Oh it got bad. 1:23:56.760 --> 1:23:58.840 I mean I wound up going down and getting I 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:00.960 want it going on and getting on to deteroid treatment. 1:24:01.800 --> 1:24:02.439 It's not bad. 1:24:02.560 --> 1:24:03.800 Everyone got it bad. 1:24:04.280 --> 1:24:05.960 I don't want to do that part, but definitely with 1:24:06.040 --> 1:24:06.479 the dogs. 1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:08.439 And then you're looking at pictures and it looks like 1:24:08.479 --> 1:24:11.040 your base you like stuff and squirrels down your pants 1:24:11.040 --> 1:24:13.000 and stuff like once you knew what was going on, 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:14.840 you look at the pictures. She's like, ooh, el was dumb. 1:24:15.479 --> 1:24:17.759 That was dumb. The time I had the one around 1:24:17.760 --> 1:24:21.760 my neck, that was dumb. Don't really think about that 1:24:21.800 --> 1:24:25.880 little detail. No, it's fun. But the way we mostly 1:24:25.920 --> 1:24:30.400 hunt when we were young and so like in Michigan, 1:24:30.479 --> 1:24:33.000 September fifteenth was the opening day, and when I was 1:24:33.000 --> 1:24:35.960 a kid, it would end December thirty first and September 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:38.599 fifteenth would I'd be allowed to skip half a day 1:24:38.640 --> 1:24:41.479 of school. I could skip a full day October one, 1:24:41.520 --> 1:24:44.080 which is archery opener. I could skip a full day 1:24:44.160 --> 1:24:48.080 November one, which is water trapping opener. I could skip 1:24:48.080 --> 1:24:51.080 a full day November fifteenth, which was rifle opener. But 1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:54.280 I can only skip half the day. I'm the squirrel opener. 1:24:55.000 --> 1:24:56.760 And you'd go out and at that time, all the 1:24:56.840 --> 1:24:58.360 leaves were on, and you just go and do a 1:24:58.400 --> 1:25:00.719 good area and sit and listen, like what you're saying 1:25:00.800 --> 1:25:05.040 here in acorns raining when they're beach nuts, and you'd 1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:07.280 get under them. They would't even know you're there because 1:25:07.280 --> 1:25:10.120 they're the leaves. The foliage is blocking them. And then 1:25:10.120 --> 1:25:12.639 when the leaves felt, it just became hard, hard, hard, hard, 1:25:12.640 --> 1:25:14.960 hard hard. But that's the beauty of the dogs, is 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:17.080 when the leaves are down and the squirrels are paranoid 1:25:17.120 --> 1:25:20.679 and they're all dead from hawks, you can still clean outs. Yeah, 1:25:20.800 --> 1:25:24.160 it like really makes your season run. In fact, doesn't murphy. 1:25:24.200 --> 1:25:25.679 You don't even like to do it until the leaves 1:25:25.680 --> 1:25:28.960 are down the dogs because when the dogs bay up, 1:25:28.960 --> 1:25:30.320 you need to be able to find the damn sqirrel. 1:25:30.360 --> 1:25:32.759 Oh yeah, and he's one of those guys that doesn't 1:25:32.760 --> 1:25:35.800 carry binocular so doesn't carry vinyls. He can't see him 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:37.280 up there. Yeah, Vinos, you can see him. 1:25:37.320 --> 1:25:39.759 It is fun early season though, when you're just slowly walking, 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:41.240 so much fun. 1:25:41.600 --> 1:25:43.360 I used to go into the White River bottoms and 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:45.120 you could. You know, you get a limit pretty. 1:25:44.920 --> 1:25:48.920 Quick, and they're so good to eat. Do you how 1:25:48.960 --> 1:25:50.559 do you clean? Do you cut them in this in 1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:51.800 the middle of the body or do you go from 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:52.160 the tail? 1:25:52.280 --> 1:25:54.759 Yeah, we call it pants and shirt, pants and shirt? 1:25:54.800 --> 1:25:57.840 Okay, yeah, I know I can. I clean them from 1:25:57.960 --> 1:26:00.439 either pants and shirt or just from the tail when 1:26:00.479 --> 1:26:02.880 you lift them up, tail skinning them. 1:26:03.040 --> 1:26:05.240 People that are good are good, but when you mess 1:26:05.280 --> 1:26:08.680 one up, it's no fun. Kevin Murphy does it. He 1:26:08.800 --> 1:26:10.960 paled he tails skins. Did you grow up tail, skin. 1:26:10.840 --> 1:26:11.680 And seth Uh? 1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:11.920 No? 1:26:12.240 --> 1:26:16.680 I was shirt and pants? Yeah, shirt and pants. 1:26:17.040 --> 1:26:21.040 How did how did you get into barstool? That's what 1:26:21.080 --> 1:26:23.439 I want to know? Like you were your dad was 1:26:23.520 --> 1:26:27.960 obviously they had the media side of things going, so 1:26:28.000 --> 1:26:31.320 you were involved with that, But like, how did that 1:26:31.360 --> 1:26:32.080 all go down? 1:26:32.280 --> 1:26:36.160 So it's really funny. I was in Oklahoma. I just 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:38.760 shot up my Oklahoma white tail, and that night I 1:26:38.800 --> 1:26:40.880 was talking to my cousin and I was like, man, 1:26:40.920 --> 1:26:42.519 I really want to do something on my own. I 1:26:42.520 --> 1:26:45.680 don't want to be I saw the following. 1:26:45.520 --> 1:26:47.479 But not from your dad's stuff. 1:26:47.640 --> 1:26:47.880 Yeah. 1:26:47.960 --> 1:26:49.360 Yeah. And then I had, you know, I picked up 1:26:49.360 --> 1:26:51.519 some people throughout the way, and I was like, I 1:26:51.520 --> 1:26:53.120 don't want to be Tim Wells's daughter. I want to 1:26:53.120 --> 1:26:56.080 be Sidney Wells. I want people to know me for me, 1:26:56.160 --> 1:26:57.880 not because of my dad. And I was talking to 1:26:57.880 --> 1:26:59.560 my cousin about that the night before and I was 1:26:59.600 --> 1:27:00.960 just like, I don't know to do. I gotta kind 1:27:00.960 --> 1:27:02.719 of figure it out. I was I had no money. 1:27:03.000 --> 1:27:04.960 I had a little bit of saved up through working 1:27:04.960 --> 1:27:09.360 throughout college. And it was so crazy because that next 1:27:09.400 --> 1:27:13.040 day Dave Fortnoy tweeted was like wanted host of Barcel Outdoors. 1:27:13.080 --> 1:27:14.719 I didn't see it. I had a ton of people 1:27:14.800 --> 1:27:16.320 send it to me, and I was. 1:27:16.439 --> 1:27:23.400 Like, details, we are woven into the stre we are Okay, 1:27:24.360 --> 1:27:26.439 that's a weird ass story. 1:27:26.800 --> 1:27:28.200 You're got to tell me why we. 1:27:28.160 --> 1:27:34.080 Can talk about it. Actually, not like no one applied. 1:27:34.120 --> 1:27:35.479 We're just woven into the story. 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:37.800 Because I have some questions after the cameras are off to. 1:27:38.240 --> 1:27:39.840 About this story that I'm trying to tell. 1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:44.040 You, yeah, probably you're not gonna say it on air, Okay, 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:47.799 we'll talk about so anyways, So then I just literally 1:27:47.840 --> 1:27:51.120 sent an email and just some like YouTube videos, and 1:27:51.200 --> 1:27:54.439 then I met with Gaz, which is like Day's right 1:27:54.479 --> 1:27:57.280 hand man, and I just told him what I do 1:27:57.800 --> 1:28:00.519 and like what I would want to do. And then 1:28:00.600 --> 1:28:02.160 I met with Dave and he was like a ten 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:05.080 minute conversation. He was late because he was in a 1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:10.320 Jingo tournament, but no, and then he was just like, Okay, cool, yeah, 1:28:10.560 --> 1:28:12.720 that's what you want to do, roll with it. 1:28:12.760 --> 1:28:15.680 And so he's kind of like an animal He's like 1:28:15.680 --> 1:28:17.400 an hs US animal rights guy. 1:28:17.400 --> 1:28:19.479 Though, Dude, he does not care what I do, which 1:28:19.520 --> 1:28:20.280 is the crazy thing. 1:28:20.400 --> 1:28:22.000 I wanted to. I want to, like, I always wanted 1:28:22.000 --> 1:28:23.600 to have like a debate with him about because I 1:28:23.600 --> 1:28:26.280 know he's into like hs US and stuff. He means 1:28:26.400 --> 1:28:27.920 not not not the kind of he made sightry we 1:28:27.960 --> 1:28:30.080 take care of dogs, but the other kind of he 1:28:30.120 --> 1:28:31.720 made society. So I feel like he is isn't he? 1:28:31.760 --> 1:28:33.320 I don't I thought he's like an animal rights guy? 1:28:34.280 --> 1:28:36.200 Is he not? Not? Really, he just doesn't want to 1:28:36.240 --> 1:28:38.840 see it. He just he loves animals, but he doesn't. 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:40.280 He doesn't love him as much as I do. 1:28:40.400 --> 1:28:43.439 I don't. Yeah, I don't know more, Yeah, I don't. 1:28:43.479 --> 1:28:45.360 I don't know. Like fidal Berg, I don't know if 1:28:45.360 --> 1:28:47.880 you John Fidelberg. He told me he's one of the 1:28:47.920 --> 1:28:50.519 main guys who's been along for around for a long time. 1:28:50.880 --> 1:28:53.000 He said he wrote a blog one time, I'm an 1:28:53.000 --> 1:28:56.040 alligator eating a turtle, and he Dave was upset with it. 1:28:56.160 --> 1:28:58.280 It had him take it off a long time ago. 1:28:58.439 --> 1:29:02.240 He's like changed, Dave, because I mean I post so 1:29:02.320 --> 1:29:04.519 much hunting. I mean that's all I do. Yeah, And 1:29:04.560 --> 1:29:08.439 he doesn't know, and nobody will ever say, like, you 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:09.120 can't do that. 1:29:10.120 --> 1:29:13.000 So did anyone have any idea of like your background, 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:15.040 like before you went and inns like they didn't know 1:29:15.040 --> 1:29:16.719 who your dad was. They didn't know any of the stuff. 1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:18.519 They didn't know anything about hunting in the fish. Actually, 1:29:18.520 --> 1:29:20.680 I had a couple of the Barcelo people already following me. 1:29:21.800 --> 1:29:23.599 So one of them is his name is Brandon Walker. 1:29:23.640 --> 1:29:26.280 He followed me. But he's from West Point, Mississippi, which 1:29:26.280 --> 1:29:28.559 is where the mass Yoke headquarters are. So he's friends 1:29:28.560 --> 1:29:30.719 with the mass Yoke guys. So I think he knew 1:29:30.720 --> 1:29:34.120 of me he likes to fish, and maybe a couple 1:29:34.160 --> 1:29:36.599 of other people, but not not really. No, they didn't. 1:29:36.600 --> 1:29:39.200 Nobody really knew. But now it's kind of fun because 1:29:39.240 --> 1:29:42.280 I have a series called Out of Office which all 1:29:42.360 --> 1:29:45.120 my coworkers want to come and hunt and fish. They 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:48.320 have no idea. But now, like I just my one 1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:50.639 of my co workers, his name is Dave called white 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:53.000 Sox Dave. He shot his first dear with me and 1:29:53.040 --> 1:29:55.040 we like, you know, he brought all the meat home 1:29:55.280 --> 1:29:56.839 and it was just like really exciting. 1:29:56.920 --> 1:29:58.599 Yeah, so you're being a teacher too. 1:29:58.880 --> 1:30:00.840 Yeah. And then I'm going on a duck unlimited hunt 1:30:00.840 --> 1:30:03.200 in January. They invited us to go, and I'm going 1:30:03.240 --> 1:30:05.639 to bring two of my other coworkers who's never duck hunted. 1:30:05.760 --> 1:30:06.920 Cool, that's really cool. 1:30:07.120 --> 1:30:07.360 Yes. 1:30:07.640 --> 1:30:10.360 So I mean I feel like I don't put pressure 1:30:10.400 --> 1:30:12.080 on anybody either, Like I'm not ever going to do 1:30:12.120 --> 1:30:14.320 that if you're not comfortable with it, Like I'm not 1:30:14.320 --> 1:30:17.439 gonna make you do anything but the doors open. I'll 1:30:17.479 --> 1:30:19.479 teach you, I'll help you. We won't do things crazy 1:30:19.640 --> 1:30:21.120 off the get go. I want you to like it 1:30:21.200 --> 1:30:24.240 and not be freaked out, just like going squirrel hunting, 1:30:24.760 --> 1:30:28.919 like that kind of small thing, and they're all interested. 1:30:28.960 --> 1:30:32.000 I have had anybody be like what the heck? 1:30:32.280 --> 1:30:35.639 And you guys will film a lot of like Jack, Yeah. 1:30:35.479 --> 1:30:36.120 We film it all. 1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:36.680 Yeah. 1:30:37.520 --> 1:30:39.200 Want you introduce Jack back here? Poor guy? 1:30:39.760 --> 1:30:41.840 Oh yeah, this is Jack. Jack or Landy come here and. 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:44.360 Say hi, Hello, meat eater world. 1:30:46.600 --> 1:30:49.479 Yeah, so that's really fun. I think I've introduced the 1:30:49.520 --> 1:30:52.439 sport a lot to Barstool and like the audience, and 1:30:52.520 --> 1:30:55.640 been able to show our coworkers who may have not 1:30:55.920 --> 1:30:58.360 maybe wanted to hunt or even thought about it, or 1:30:58.360 --> 1:31:01.640 maybe even a disagreed to act, enjoy it, which is 1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:02.160 really fun. 1:31:02.360 --> 1:31:04.120 So yeah, how long have been? 1:31:05.040 --> 1:31:07.560 Three years? Almost three years? In February? 1:31:07.880 --> 1:31:09.559 What were the questions you said you wanted to ask 1:31:09.640 --> 1:31:12.120 us when I said I was gonna tell you a 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:12.639 story later. 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:15.000 Well, I'm gonna talk to you about it later. But 1:31:15.120 --> 1:31:20.479 what I'm not gonna say it you can ask me 1:31:20.560 --> 1:31:21.000 a question. 1:31:21.240 --> 1:31:30.600 Maybe started to play warmer and colder. I gotta standoff, start. 1:31:32.000 --> 1:31:36.080 Like who's gonna gave first? That's a question. Standoff? Now 1:31:36.080 --> 1:31:38.320 did your life change through all this stuff of like 1:31:39.080 --> 1:31:41.720 of Barstool getting sold to a casino and then the 1:31:41.760 --> 1:31:44.439 casino giving it back. Did this change your life at all? 1:31:45.240 --> 1:31:48.320 No? At first I was scared because Penn owned a 1:31:48.400 --> 1:31:51.080 hundred percent of it, you know, for a second before 1:31:51.080 --> 1:31:52.840 they get it give it back to him for a dollar. 1:31:53.920 --> 1:31:57.360 That's when I got nervous. Dave bought it back for Yeah, 1:31:57.840 --> 1:31:59.320 So that's that's when I was nervous. 1:32:00.240 --> 1:32:03.519 Anybody can read it. You don't need to. It's not 1:32:03.520 --> 1:32:04.400 gonna change your life. 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:07.720 They just, you know, we were more of a corporation. 1:32:07.960 --> 1:32:10.880 They were going to you know, insurance, and I was 1:32:10.880 --> 1:32:12.880 a bigger brand with sponsors, so. 1:32:13.080 --> 1:32:14.960 They have insurance before that we did. 1:32:15.760 --> 1:32:22.680 I don't know, maybe they're I'm insured probably right, oh 1:32:22.720 --> 1:32:24.920 that stuff. I have health insurance. So I'm saying like 1:32:25.760 --> 1:32:27.840 they were scared that somebody who's gonna get shot on 1:32:27.840 --> 1:32:28.520 a shoe. 1:32:28.280 --> 1:32:30.879 Oh that kind of insurance. But I like your company 1:32:30.920 --> 1:32:31.599 had an insurance. 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:35.920 No, no, no, no, no, just like liability. Yeah, but 1:32:35.960 --> 1:32:39.280 it's hard. I told him, like, I hunt every day, 1:32:39.960 --> 1:32:43.800 so you can't have somebody on site with me every day. Also, 1:32:43.880 --> 1:32:46.440 you're gonna have somebody to tree stand with me because. 1:32:46.240 --> 1:32:49.760 You want to get an insurance. Man excited that, No, 1:32:49.880 --> 1:32:52.120 it's not the insurance man be like, dude, I've seen 1:32:52.120 --> 1:32:52.599 the numbers. 1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:53.240 I'm not going. 1:32:57.720 --> 1:33:00.719 No, pen is great. But I think we're all pretty happy, Daves. 1:33:01.080 --> 1:33:02.960 We're all happy Dave's has. 1:33:03.720 --> 1:33:05.599 So do you find all stuff just by reading the news? 1:33:05.600 --> 1:33:06.519 You're like, oh, that happened. 1:33:06.640 --> 1:33:14.840 No, we have like meetings, but sometimes yeah, I'm like whoa, Like, no, 1:33:15.600 --> 1:33:17.960 we got it all figured out. Everybody talks to one another, 1:33:17.960 --> 1:33:18.639 which is nice. 1:33:18.720 --> 1:33:21.960 Yeah. How how connected are you with the the The 1:33:21.960 --> 1:33:23.479 main office is in New York right. 1:33:24.760 --> 1:33:27.920 It's moved. Yeah, so there's like two main ones now, 1:33:27.960 --> 1:33:31.639 so Chicago and New York. So so some people are 1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:33.479 there Dave's. I don't know what Dave's plan is. I 1:33:33.479 --> 1:33:36.519 think he's still in Miami. And then Big Cat and 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:37.960 some of the other guys just went to Chicago. So 1:33:38.000 --> 1:33:40.479 we've got a big Chicago office and I'm still connected. 1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:42.640 But this time of the year, I'm not really in 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:44.799 the office. I'd rather be out hunting and filming. 1:33:44.880 --> 1:33:46.479 Yeah, I can't. So when you're in the office, you're 1:33:46.520 --> 1:33:47.679 in the Chicago Yeah. 1:33:47.760 --> 1:33:48.120 Yeah. 1:33:48.160 --> 1:33:49.240 How many people work there? 1:33:49.960 --> 1:33:53.240 Oh jeez, I think we have like three hundred employees. 1:33:53.280 --> 1:33:58.080 Now, whose studio is better? The studio Space podcast. 1:33:58.439 --> 1:33:59.920 Don't ask that I'm in the Chicago off. 1:34:00.040 --> 1:34:01.799 This is just like way better than the studio. 1:34:02.400 --> 1:34:04.360 I haven't been in any of the studios yet because 1:34:04.400 --> 1:34:05.000 it just opened. 1:34:05.080 --> 1:34:06.320 Let's Phil be the judge of this. 1:34:06.479 --> 1:34:09.439 But the Chicago office is gonna badass. Maybe we got 1:34:09.439 --> 1:34:11.000 a full court basketball. 1:34:10.560 --> 1:34:12.240 Court and I'm talking about the studio. 1:34:12.720 --> 1:34:15.479 Probably part of my take is probably going to be 1:34:15.479 --> 1:34:15.880 the best. 1:34:16.680 --> 1:34:22.000 Well, listen, I was recently in some real I was 1:34:22.000 --> 1:34:26.400 recently in some really fancy studios. Yeah, they had a muscos. 1:34:26.760 --> 1:34:28.680 They got a buffalo and the buffalo shot in the 1:34:28.680 --> 1:34:29.320 head with the bull? 1:34:29.600 --> 1:34:30.759 Is that no blackbird? 1:34:31.040 --> 1:34:33.679 A couple of k They got a squirrel bottle heater? 1:34:34.400 --> 1:34:35.280 What about the leather. 1:34:40.280 --> 1:34:40.639 Studio? 1:34:41.760 --> 1:34:43.920 This is the best happened. We recently had a wake 1:34:44.000 --> 1:34:45.599 up call. I think I told you about this earlier. 1:34:45.600 --> 1:34:49.920 We went to some fancy studios and and and Phil 1:34:49.960 --> 1:34:54.559 felt like he was getting studio shamed. Oh no, remember that, Phil. 1:34:54.640 --> 1:34:56.360 I mean I I wasn't mad. It was a very 1:34:56.360 --> 1:34:58.280 comfortable experience, but. 1:34:58.160 --> 1:35:01.200 Then later confided me that some of those studios weren't 1:35:01.240 --> 1:35:05.000 all that. Oh well, I mean, the spaces themselves are 1:35:05.200 --> 1:35:07.439 are spectacular, but the microphones just. 1:35:09.800 --> 1:35:10.320 The coffin. 1:35:10.560 --> 1:35:13.160 I'll say this isn't in Phil's words, but some of 1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:17.080 these studios were all hat no cattle, the cattle being 1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:18.439 the mic, wouldn't you say, Phil. 1:35:18.400 --> 1:35:24.640 Yeah's a good way to put it. 1:35:22.600 --> 1:35:25.320 Exactly, how damn good mics. 1:35:25.840 --> 1:35:29.040 I seem like he spit a big dip stream out. 1:35:30.720 --> 1:35:31.639 I think my seats. 1:35:31.680 --> 1:35:38.400 He still walked in and said, so, uh, what's the 1:35:38.439 --> 1:35:39.680 Some of the stuff we were talking about, some of 1:35:39.680 --> 1:35:41.960 the stuff you'd like to do that you'd like to 1:35:41.960 --> 1:35:44.240 do in the future, like trips you'd like to go on. 1:35:44.800 --> 1:35:46.439 You mentioned how you kind of have a sort of 1:35:46.439 --> 1:35:47.759 an interest in South America. 1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:50.680 Yeah, well I've been to South America, so I've already like, 1:35:51.280 --> 1:35:51.640 oh you. 1:35:51.640 --> 1:35:55.360 Know, no, it was not that you brought up fishing doratto. Ye, Yeah, 1:35:55.560 --> 1:35:56.240 that's interesting. 1:35:56.320 --> 1:35:57.040 I would like to do that. 1:35:57.080 --> 1:35:57.920 What else is interesting? 1:35:58.000 --> 1:36:00.799 Neil Guy talked about shooting Neil Guy down in Texas 1:36:00.840 --> 1:36:02.880 to you guys know what Neil Guy is? Yeah, I 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:04.840 think just a story about Neil guys. 1:36:04.560 --> 1:36:05.920 Is really interesting down here. 1:36:06.120 --> 1:36:07.040 Oh there, just hold it up. 1:36:08.760 --> 1:36:10.479 So if you don't know, if you're listening to what 1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:13.640 a Neil Guy is, go google it. It's really cool. 1:36:13.640 --> 1:36:16.360 And tell him none of that. Just go to YouTube 1:36:16.360 --> 1:36:20.000 and look at what right now, Yeah, it came like 1:36:20.040 --> 1:36:22.920 that we skinned it and that was under the meat. 1:36:23.400 --> 1:36:28.320 No, kid, that's a nice We're all surprised you shoot that. 1:36:28.320 --> 1:36:29.360 That's a deadhead. 1:36:29.920 --> 1:36:31.599 Oh it is nice one. 1:36:31.640 --> 1:36:32.960 Well, I shot a nice one. 1:36:33.000 --> 1:36:33.439 I did. 1:36:33.479 --> 1:36:36.719 I accidentally got a nice one. You don't to accidentally 1:36:36.760 --> 1:36:37.479 get a nice something. 1:36:39.360 --> 1:36:41.720 Yeah, you're like, oh, this is good, but you get it. 1:36:41.720 --> 1:36:44.000 And there was like holy shit, and I'm like, oh 1:36:43.320 --> 1:36:44.320 the great. 1:36:48.080 --> 1:36:50.000 But this is a story, you know, like COO's deer 1:36:50.160 --> 1:36:52.320 anark Hello, Couzier would love to kill a coups deer. 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:55.360 My dad and his buddy went to Mexico to shoot 1:36:55.360 --> 1:36:57.920 COO's deer and his buddy shot his first cous deer. 1:36:57.920 --> 1:36:59.280 It was like one hundred and twenty inches. 1:36:59.479 --> 1:37:00.160 You got to ask. 1:37:02.080 --> 1:37:03.960 And he's like my dad was, you know, like holy 1:37:03.960 --> 1:37:06.679 everybody's oh my gosh. And he's like, oh is this good? 1:37:07.680 --> 1:37:07.880 Yeah? 1:37:08.240 --> 1:37:12.200 Accidentally get the big one. Yeah, I accidentally got so 1:37:12.240 --> 1:37:13.960 I got a nice one. That's a nice one that 1:37:14.040 --> 1:37:15.480 was found as a deadhead. 1:37:15.760 --> 1:37:16.680 That's a nice one, yea. 1:37:17.400 --> 1:37:20.200 I have my other one, My my other accidental nice 1:37:20.240 --> 1:37:21.320 one is at my house. But if you want to 1:37:21.320 --> 1:37:23.040 go hunting Couzier, you can come hunting COOZI you with thoughts. 1:37:23.040 --> 1:37:25.240 We go in January. You can't come this January, but 1:37:25.280 --> 1:37:29.000 next January. Next January, I'm serious, We're at we go 1:37:29.040 --> 1:37:29.599 to Sonora. 1:37:29.840 --> 1:37:33.559 Okay, I would love to. I've never killed one. I 1:37:33.680 --> 1:37:34.320 really want to. 1:37:34.400 --> 1:37:35.439 Don't shoot a big one. 1:37:36.360 --> 1:37:39.120 I'll try not to, don't accidentally. 1:37:38.800 --> 1:37:39.680 Probably won't even know. 1:37:40.560 --> 1:37:41.360 You're gonna be like. 1:37:41.360 --> 1:37:44.880 We just tell you like that is huge and if 1:37:44.880 --> 1:37:46.120 you don't measure it, you'll never know. 1:37:47.800 --> 1:37:49.880 Okay, scenario, it will just be like they told me 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:51.479 it was giant. All right, they told me it was 1:37:51.479 --> 1:37:53.880 a giant. Nokay, what other? What other kind of dream 1:37:53.920 --> 1:37:55.040 things like cool trips? 1:37:55.040 --> 1:38:01.000 You want to do a grizzly bear. I haven't killed 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:05.280 an elk. I need to kill an elk. I don't know. 1:38:05.320 --> 1:38:07.600 There's a lot. Probably I don't know if I have 1:38:07.640 --> 1:38:10.000 a desire to kill a sheep or not. A caribou 1:38:10.040 --> 1:38:14.200 would be cool. I think I just need to start 1:38:14.000 --> 1:38:17.040 out west thone. Do like the smaller things like the coos, 1:38:17.080 --> 1:38:22.519 and not smaller, but the kousier, the elk. Have you 1:38:22.560 --> 1:38:26.000 done it never done anything in Alaska like a blacktail. 1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:27.680 Oh yeah, I like to do that. 1:38:28.040 --> 1:38:29.599 I just would love to just kill a grizzly too. 1:38:29.720 --> 1:38:31.160 I think I would be really nervous. I had a 1:38:31.160 --> 1:38:33.519 black bear climb a tree with me when I was younger. 1:38:33.960 --> 1:38:36.400 Scared me. Use I think I'll be really nervous to 1:38:36.400 --> 1:38:39.280 see grizzly up close. But I really want to do 1:38:39.280 --> 1:38:39.960 that and with my bow. 1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:41.799 Didn't your dad spear grizzly? 1:38:42.000 --> 1:38:47.160 Yeah, I took him like like ten trips or something. 1:38:47.200 --> 1:38:48.680 It was a lot. It was hard. You know, you 1:38:48.680 --> 1:38:49.800 got to get it right under you. 1:38:50.080 --> 1:38:51.040 I can't imagine that. 1:38:52.000 --> 1:38:53.720 Yeah, I would freak out. 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:58.800 Yeah, yeah, that's an alpha dog. I was gonna ask 1:38:58.800 --> 1:39:01.479 you a bunch of stuff. But he spared a wolf, 1:39:01.600 --> 1:39:02.080 but he's. 1:39:01.960 --> 1:39:03.280 Not I would like to kill a wolf. Oh, I 1:39:03.320 --> 1:39:04.960 don't know if he's ner. 1:39:05.000 --> 1:39:05.960 Dad speared himself. 1:39:06.240 --> 1:39:07.680 He spared himself. Yeah. 1:39:07.800 --> 1:39:08.840 Do you mind talking about that for it? 1:39:08.960 --> 1:39:11.719 Yeah? I can talk about that. So with the spear, 1:39:12.280 --> 1:39:14.080 he's always really good at making sure I mean that 1:39:14.200 --> 1:39:17.080 those things are you know this, this like this, and 1:39:17.120 --> 1:39:18.840 it's super sharp. You know, he goes right through an 1:39:18.880 --> 1:39:23.519 animal right when they're underneath you. Die instantly, super deadly 1:39:24.080 --> 1:39:25.560 with him. When he keeps it in his tree, he 1:39:25.560 --> 1:39:28.200 always make sure it's somewhere safe. Maybe gets out, it's 1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:32.360 not gonna fall. Well, he wasn't thinking. He just climbed 1:39:32.400 --> 1:39:34.720 up this tree in Africa. He dropped a GoPro. Well, 1:39:34.760 --> 1:39:37.040 in Africa, they have really good sense and they're really smart. 1:39:37.080 --> 1:39:39.320 So he didn't want to keep that on the ground, 1:39:39.360 --> 1:39:41.000 so we jumped out of the tree. When he did, 1:39:41.000 --> 1:39:44.360 he shook the tree and it went right through hit 1:39:44.400 --> 1:39:46.439 his ball cap, went right through his leg. You talked 1:39:46.439 --> 1:39:49.960 about the tourniquet earlier. He took off his pants, put 1:39:50.000 --> 1:39:54.960 his belt, made a tourniquet, and he barely missed his 1:39:55.000 --> 1:39:58.760 memoral artery. Lay there for six hours, his water and 1:39:58.760 --> 1:40:00.679 his walkie talkie. You were up there. He made sure 1:40:00.720 --> 1:40:03.519 that he stayed conscious. He didn't want to go He felt 1:40:03.560 --> 1:40:05.400 his body going into shock, so he didn't want to 1:40:05.400 --> 1:40:06.679 go in too shock because if he went in shock 1:40:07.439 --> 1:40:11.160 could have been deadly obviously, and then he's in Africa. 1:40:11.200 --> 1:40:12.960 You don't know what's going to come around. Smell of 1:40:12.960 --> 1:40:15.880 blood and he's just wounded. Yeah, So he stayed there 1:40:15.880 --> 1:40:18.639 for six hours and he ended up pulling the spear 1:40:18.640 --> 1:40:21.479 out of his leg, but they found him. He went 1:40:21.520 --> 1:40:25.160 and got stitched up. He didn't have surgery or anything, 1:40:25.880 --> 1:40:29.880 but they gave him the really really like potent antibiotics. 1:40:30.080 --> 1:40:32.479 It's illegal in the States, but in Africa was not, 1:40:32.640 --> 1:40:34.600 so they gave him these antibi biotics. And when he 1:40:34.640 --> 1:40:37.280 got back to the States, the doctor told him that 1:40:37.400 --> 1:40:40.720 it's he's lucky that he got those antibiotics because they 1:40:40.760 --> 1:40:47.000 pretty much killed everything and saved his leg. Yeah, infection, 1:40:47.040 --> 1:40:48.439 I mean he killed a bunch of animals with it 1:40:48.479 --> 1:40:52.679 and antibiotics and the antibiotics and the States probably wouldn't 1:40:52.680 --> 1:40:55.400 have been as strong and he could have just lost 1:40:55.400 --> 1:40:56.280 his leg from infection. 1:40:56.439 --> 1:40:57.080 That's crazy. 1:40:57.800 --> 1:40:59.400 Yeah, I just thought of the thing I was gonna 1:40:59.439 --> 1:41:00.960 I was gonna make the thing I was gonna tell 1:41:00.960 --> 1:41:04.760 you an interesting thing, And then I remember that the 1:41:04.800 --> 1:41:07.680 person that told me made me swear not to tell anybody. 1:41:08.479 --> 1:41:09.040 Got it? 1:41:09.360 --> 1:41:11.639 All right, Well, we can talk about that off camera, 1:41:11.960 --> 1:41:14.360 but no, the spear like, I mean, yeah, he spares 1:41:14.400 --> 1:41:16.160 a lot of things, and he's really good at keep 1:41:16.160 --> 1:41:18.600 making sure. I spirited a black bear when I was 1:41:18.640 --> 1:41:20.960 younger in Canada too, so we're always making sure it's 1:41:20.960 --> 1:41:24.400 safe because those dang spears, I mean their deadly goes 1:41:24.400 --> 1:41:26.920 on an animal and instantly. That's the one thing that's 1:41:26.960 --> 1:41:29.599 great about them is it didn't. 1:41:29.520 --> 1:41:30.240 They killed quick. 1:41:30.479 --> 1:41:32.240 So you killed one with a spear? Is it a 1:41:32.240 --> 1:41:34.600 weighted spear? Like? 1:41:34.760 --> 1:41:35.320 What do you mean? 1:41:35.439 --> 1:41:38.479 Like is the shaft weighted? Is this shaft like got 1:41:38.600 --> 1:41:39.519 lead or embedded? 1:41:39.560 --> 1:41:42.479 And you would know he would know more, but I don't. 1:41:42.760 --> 1:41:44.559 I don't know, to be honest, I don't know the 1:41:44.600 --> 1:41:46.479 whole Diana dynamic of the spirit. 1:41:46.920 --> 1:41:49.280 There's a really I don't want to say it's good. 1:41:49.560 --> 1:41:53.120 There's a documentary and I don't want to say it's 1:41:53.120 --> 1:41:55.959 a great documentary because it's just it covers something interesting, 1:41:56.000 --> 1:41:58.000 but it doesn't cover it in the in a perfect way. 1:41:58.120 --> 1:42:03.839 But it covers these Indo Nesian harpooners that they still 1:42:04.280 --> 1:42:08.439 they still fish dolphin. I don't mean like mahi mahi, 1:42:08.520 --> 1:42:17.000 but like porpoises. Man arrays sperm whales with harpoons and 1:42:17.040 --> 1:42:19.960 they don't use a harpoon gun, and they don't use 1:42:19.960 --> 1:42:24.720 a weighted harpoon. That harpooner goes overboard with that harpoon. No, 1:42:24.840 --> 1:42:28.080 he's up on the bow. I mean there's a ton 1:42:28.080 --> 1:42:31.639 of on the bow and when they get on that whale, 1:42:31.960 --> 1:42:38.439 that dude drives, that dude lands with the spear to 1:42:38.600 --> 1:42:40.120 land and place the spear. 1:42:41.920 --> 1:42:42.000 On. 1:42:42.560 --> 1:42:50.519 He's in on the whale. That's another power play. And 1:42:50.560 --> 1:42:56.000 these guys like they're they are whalers and they try. 1:42:55.880 --> 1:42:57.720 The movie has this sort of like a little bit 1:42:57.720 --> 1:43:01.320 of a tenuous It has this sort of tenuous environmental 1:43:01.320 --> 1:43:03.720 messages that I wasn't totally I need to spend more 1:43:03.720 --> 1:43:07.200 time on because it was basically this culture hadn't practiced 1:43:07.240 --> 1:43:12.640 sustainable fishing practices and had like destroyed their fishery and 1:43:12.680 --> 1:43:20.600 that drove them to being marine mammal hunters. And I 1:43:20.680 --> 1:43:26.320 a little bit questioned that because that's a tremendous amount 1:43:26.320 --> 1:43:28.760 of know how. Yeah, and I just couldn't picture that 1:43:28.760 --> 1:43:32.280 that's really that this wasn't more of an ancestral behavior. 1:43:32.280 --> 1:43:33.880 It's hard for me to pick up that in the 1:43:33.920 --> 1:43:39.200 modern era, someone like sort of crafted this harpooning culture 1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:42.880 because the fishery, I just like, you know, I don't 1:43:42.880 --> 1:43:45.160 know that that's right or wrong, and I'm sure eight people 1:43:45.200 --> 1:43:47.280 are write in and set me straight on it. But 1:43:47.920 --> 1:43:49.599 he lays that out, and I remember a little bit 1:43:49.600 --> 1:43:51.960 thinking like I need to spend more time on that. 1:43:52.120 --> 1:43:54.400 Well, we all have that in our like our blood instinctually, 1:43:54.479 --> 1:43:58.240 like hunting, whether you're a hunter or not. If I 1:43:58.240 --> 1:44:00.320 don't know if you agree with that, sure, yeah. 1:44:00.400 --> 1:44:03.920 When I'm sitting there and jigging hal a bit and 1:44:03.920 --> 1:44:08.120 in a humpback comes by. No. No, I never do, 1:44:08.720 --> 1:44:11.400 but I always comment on it you think about doing it, 1:44:11.439 --> 1:44:14.880 I'll say to my kids, can you just imagine? Because 1:44:14.920 --> 1:44:19.000 we carry a harpoon for landing. You know, it's basically 1:44:19.000 --> 1:44:22.559 like a you're basically gaffing. You're gaffing of fishes on 1:44:22.600 --> 1:44:24.320 a hook, but it's just you just deliver the gaff 1:44:25.080 --> 1:44:27.439 with a harpoon chef. If it's not like, you're not 1:44:27.479 --> 1:44:30.320 like harpooning it, you're like, what do you call it? 1:44:30.439 --> 1:44:32.960 Just like a togglehead that comes off a harpoon chef, 1:44:32.960 --> 1:44:36.800 so you just poke it. Yeah. Anyhow, I'll always always 1:44:37.360 --> 1:44:43.360 comment to my kids, can you imagine sticking up? It's 1:44:43.479 --> 1:44:46.320 crazy and then just going for a ride. 1:44:46.439 --> 1:44:47.439 You need a bigger skiff. 1:44:49.000 --> 1:44:52.200 Oh, I would never do it, but it always like 1:44:52.640 --> 1:45:00.720 something deep in me, something deep, some evil, deep thing 1:45:00.760 --> 1:45:03.559 in me wonders about what would be like to just. 1:45:03.560 --> 1:45:04.559 To, but you. 1:45:10.400 --> 1:45:11.439 Don't care if it's evil. 1:45:11.479 --> 1:45:12.799 I can't even finish the sentence. 1:45:13.360 --> 1:45:16.720 Maybe it is evil, you hear me, I keep going 1:45:17.200 --> 1:45:17.439 just to. 1:45:18.640 --> 1:45:28.880 Can you imagine just one time Sidney Phil's throwing up 1:45:28.880 --> 1:45:30.040 a sign and says three minutes. 1:45:32.080 --> 1:45:33.920 You know, I was trying to keep that on the download. 1:45:33.920 --> 1:45:35.839 That's why I held up a sign without saying. 1:45:39.160 --> 1:45:41.479 Tell people, Tell people, tell people how to find you? 1:45:42.200 --> 1:45:44.479 Okay, you can find me all over social media. You 1:45:44.479 --> 1:45:46.639 can spell my name s Y D N. 1:45:46.520 --> 1:45:48.719 I E, which is how you spell it, which is how. 1:45:48.640 --> 1:45:51.799 I spell it, spell it right, Sidney Wells or anywhere 1:45:51.800 --> 1:45:56.360 on barcelwell Doors, so YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, all the above. 1:45:56.479 --> 1:45:58.760 Thanks for coming on, man, Thanks for having me today. 1:45:58.760 --> 1:45:59.599 It was a good day. 1:46:00.040 --> 1:46:00.800 About duck hunting. 1:46:00.880 --> 1:46:02.960 Yeah, and now we're going back to Illinois. 1:46:03.600 --> 1:46:04.880 So well, I'm not you are well? 1:46:04.920 --> 1:46:05.080 I am? 1:46:05.160 --> 1:46:05.320 Yeah. 1:46:05.320 --> 1:46:06.800 Hopefully you can see me with the big old buck. 1:46:06.880 --> 1:46:08.920 Yep, and we both al big thanks to Brady Davis 1:46:08.920 --> 1:46:11.400 from Flying V the best. I had a great time 1:46:11.520 --> 1:46:13.200 basically telling us where to point and. 1:46:13.120 --> 1:46:16.680 Shoot and clean it up, clean it up. 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:18.240 And he's still going to go clean up. 1:46:18.360 --> 1:46:18.599 Yeah. 1:46:18.680 --> 1:46:20.040 We didn't even big our own decoys up. 1:46:20.200 --> 1:46:20.439 Yeah. 1:46:20.720 --> 1:46:22.000 I did kind of help set him out. 1:46:22.160 --> 1:46:24.519 I was talking about I mean you said that. I 1:46:24.600 --> 1:46:26.280 was talking about, like, you know, our bird clean up 1:46:26.320 --> 1:46:28.240 when we're missing, and he's just like, don't guys, I 1:46:28.280 --> 1:46:29.280 got this gage. 1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:30.760 I think I meant the fact that he now has 1:46:30.800 --> 1:46:33.000 to go and like pick up empty shells and decoys. 1:46:33.160 --> 1:46:33.360 Yeah. 1:46:33.400 --> 1:46:36.599 Sorry, No, we were on a bit of a time. 1:46:37.080 --> 1:46:38.960 He's very time conscious. Dane and I are headed back 1:46:39.000 --> 1:46:41.160 to go pick up the spread all his other attributes, 1:46:41.160 --> 1:46:42.040 and he's time conscious. 1:46:42.120 --> 1:46:43.400 Yea, such a good great guy. 1:46:44.720 --> 1:46:46.400 Gets you where, get you your dogs, gets you where 1:46:46.400 --> 1:46:47.720 you need to be at noon. You gotta be on 1:46:47.800 --> 1:46:48.400 time in life. 1:46:48.920 --> 1:46:49.760 Yep, that's right. 1:46:49.880 --> 1:47:07.280 Thanks everybody. 1:47:02.200 --> 1:47:09.040 On the seal, Ray shine like silver in the sun. 1:47:12.840 --> 1:47:21.120 Ride Ride, Ride on along, sweetheart. 1:47:21.240 --> 1:47:26.280 Were done beat this damn horse to death. Taking a 1:47:26.320 --> 1:47:26.760 new one. 1:47:27.720 --> 1:47:29.600 Ride. 1:47:31.479 --> 1:47:37.080 We're done beat this damn horse today, So take a 1:47:37.240 --> 1:47:39.280 new one and ride on.