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Speaker 1: right here. Tell that again, Chester real quick. The other

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Speaker 1: day I went, I'm gonna use this to I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: use this to I'm gonna piggyback my story on your story.

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Speaker 2: The other day I went into a gas station in

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Speaker 2: North Dakota and I needed to buy some zinfandel, which

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Speaker 2: is zen cho we called zinfandale. But the kid wouldn't

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Speaker 2: let me buy it because my Montana I D did

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Speaker 2: not scan and I was like I was jones and

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Speaker 2: for some because we were on the way back from

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin and I had long car ride. Danielle, my wife's

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Speaker 2: in there, crying baby. It was just like I really

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Speaker 2: needed it.

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Speaker 1: She wasn't crying baby. No, there was crying baby. Crying baby,

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Speaker 1: said my wife, Danielle in there crying baby, like she's

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Speaker 1: in there going I think, I think, I said.

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Speaker 2: And the anyways, I got I kind of got mad,

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Speaker 2: and I never do that.

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Speaker 1: That's what happens to as I was this is a

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Speaker 1: this is a well known thing with addicts.

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Speaker 2: I was like, dude, I was like, here's three credit cards,

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Speaker 2: here's my work. I d it, says photographer on it,

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Speaker 2: and call the cops. No, I didn't go that far,

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Speaker 2: but I like convinced them to get me the zims.

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Speaker 1: It was either that or you're gonna tear that place.

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Speaker 2: I made it.

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Speaker 1: Don't made me go out and get my chainsaw.

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Speaker 2: Made it through the drive.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick it up it. Can I pick it back?

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Speaker 1: My thing?

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Speaker 3: I know? Sure? Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I was in Duluth, Minnesota a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: I was driving from I was driving across the country.

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Speaker 1: I took a little side d two were up into

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Speaker 1: to Duluth and I'm in a bar in Duluth and

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Speaker 1: I get carted. I was a youngster back then, and

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Speaker 1: uh twenty six, twenty seven years old, and I have

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Speaker 1: a Montana driver's license. And the guy at the bar says,

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you. He says, hey, can you bring

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Speaker 1: a grease trap to my buddy's Pete's joint in fours?

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Speaker 2: And you didn't know? The guy?

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Speaker 1: No, what did you know? The guy get me forty bucks? What'sppened?

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Speaker 1: Did you know?

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Speaker 4: The guy in four corner?

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Speaker 1: Idly, I hand my bar to my bye and I

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Speaker 1: need to a bartender. He goes, you live in Montana

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Speaker 1: and I'm like yeah, and he goes, he knew Montana well,

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Speaker 1: and he's like he knew. However, we got to talk

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Speaker 1: about where I was going, and he wants me to

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Speaker 1: detour and drop a grease trap off at a bar

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Speaker 1: in uh uh in four corners near here, like the

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Speaker 1: Corner Club. I can't remember what the name of the

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Speaker 1: place was so long ago. He says, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: forty bucks. All you gotta do is bring it there

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Speaker 1: and set it out back. Did you do it? Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 1: he gives me a box and it's just a big

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Speaker 1: heavy box, all sealed up. And I get down the

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Speaker 1: I get down the road aways and I get so

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Speaker 1: paranoid that I pull over cut that box open open

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Speaker 1: up is legitimately is a greasy ass grease trap. That's

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Speaker 1: fun man, And I made my delivery, got paid ahead

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Speaker 3: Perfect.

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Speaker 1: So it's called American elbow grease. How does this relate

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Speaker 1: to the tobacco thing? He said, you got to start.

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Speaker 1: There's a loose there's a tenuous piggy bag. Okay, joy

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Speaker 1: today Sidney Wells from outdoor Sports. What am I saying?

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Speaker 1: Barstool not outdoor barstool outdoors? Yes, which is part I'm mixed.

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Speaker 1: I combined out.

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Speaker 5: Door barstool sports. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I meant to say barstool sports, but it's barstool outdoors.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a long day.

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Speaker 1: And tell us why it's been a long day.

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Speaker 5: We've been duck hunting all morning.

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Speaker 1: Under the tutelage of our other guests, Brady Davis, give

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Speaker 1: us the setup. How would you say what we're give

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Speaker 6: So we'd been watching this field for a handful of days.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's it's a cut spring wheat field. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't see that. That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: A circle that is not normal, circled around. They're pushing

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Speaker 2: Nobody had a tag.

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Speaker 1: No, and even if you did, you can't hunt him

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Speaker 6: If I'm if I'm not mistaken, I think the only

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, we had a good game plan, good setup. Man.

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Speaker 1: I thought we had a heck of a morning. I

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Speaker 5: You did good at playing clean up too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 5: It was a good morning.

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Speaker 1: It's really fun and talk some crap, and I was

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Speaker 1: shooting birds and he shoots a He shoots an old

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Speaker 1: ass ten gauge. It's eight seventy it's a Browning BPS. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can't tell because it's painted like an American flag. Yep,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's Zarah Codad. It's a ten gauge pump with

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Speaker 1: Barrels, the lords gauge. It's the Lord's.

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Speaker 2: Gauge, and the home with that thing all the time.

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Speaker 6: I hunt with it as much as I can. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: what I'll tell you is it's a strike killer.

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Speaker 1: Well every time he hits, he's like, well that's the

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Speaker 1: ten gage. Well you still have to aim it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like just a little more going on. Like you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there there's there's a bit of skill

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everyb what that is called is that's called leading proper.

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Speaker 6: We did have one goose that was it was a

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Speaker 6: heck of a poke with the ten bore. Yeah, at

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Speaker 6: one high goose. That was good.

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Speaker 1: But now I had a great time. It was fun

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Speaker 5: It was funny hunting out of the A frame too, because

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Speaker 5: when I was told there was gonna be a dry field,

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Speaker 5: So the A frame was great to hear that we

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Speaker 1: It's so comfortable. Yeah, we had a guy. We had

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Speaker 1: a guy on the show. Chester. You were there, Chester's

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Speaker 1: here and was there? Max bard Is here, was not there,

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Speaker 1: following Yeah, we got it losing a lot of listeners.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm gonna tell Chester about layout blinds. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we had a guy on the podcast who was in

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Speaker 1: a layout blind and uh someone said, like get him,

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Speaker 1: and he blew three of his toes. He blew the

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Speaker 1: What's interesting is he blew three of them out of

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Speaker 1: the middle. Like when you picture blowing your toes off,

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Speaker 1: don't you picture blowing the edges? No you don't.

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Speaker 5: I picture you right in the middle of your foot. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I always picture you'd shoot off one of the sides.

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Speaker 1: You shoot off your pinky toe, like I could picture

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Speaker 1: shooting off my big toe. I can't picture plucking the

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Speaker 1: three middle toes, goal, pucking the three middle toes out

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Speaker 3: I just picture blowing the whole damn thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all their toes.

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Speaker 2: You have a picture of that somewhere way down on your.

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Speaker 1: Way down there. No, I wasn't there when he did it,

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Speaker 1: but I was there, and he told the Now, my

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Speaker 1: old man was shot in the foot rabbit hunting and

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Speaker 1: carried those pellets for a long long time in his foot.

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Speaker 1: No tolls removed. And then he didn't want to tell me.

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Speaker 1: They tried to keep it secret. So he acts like

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Speaker 1: he uh, act like he had had some kind of

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Speaker 7: There was a guy last year here in Montana, a

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Speaker 7: young buck that blew his foot off and had to

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Speaker 7: get life lighted out of the field. Uh, pretty pretty

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Speaker 7: much like the bottom half of his like or top

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Speaker 1: See that ceases to be funny.

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Speaker 2: What that's not?

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Speaker 1: That's not I was telling the funny story. But it's

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Speaker 1: funny like shooting yourself.

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Speaker 7: Like, No, he wasn't using a blind at all.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to know the crazy thing about this guy?

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Speaker 2: He still shot the geese.

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Speaker 1: He's still the delay or ducks, so he's getting out

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Speaker 1: of his layout blind Boom.

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Speaker 3: Max knows this guy.

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Speaker 1: Oh you do. Yeah, that's the.

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Speaker 3: First time we met. Max was on that Oh because

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Speaker 3: Max stopped in on that shoot.

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Speaker 2: Max stopped in flayed a bunch of walleyes and.

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Speaker 1: Then packing a big old dip there chest. You can't talk.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know him? Yeah, Danny, Yeah, Yeah, I know Danny.

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Speaker 3: Boom.

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Speaker 1: There goes his toes and he's still like the delay.

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Speaker 1: The realization is, so he shoots it. He still shoots.

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Speaker 1: But then here's where it falls apart. If you ask

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Speaker 1: him if he hit he doesn't know. So somewhere between

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Speaker 1: somewhere you following me, yea, somewhere between shooting his toes

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Speaker 1: and registering whether or not he had a hit, it

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Speaker 1: struck him what had happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably started shooting and realized something bad just happened.

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Speaker 7: I usually block out when I shoot into a flock

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Speaker 7: of geese. Yeah, I still got all my toes still.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is precisely why we had that long safety

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Speaker 6: speech this morning.

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Speaker 1: Oh I really appreciated that safety speech. Yeah, yeah, good, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do it. No, that's great. Yeah, it's like a

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Speaker 1: really a really uh thorough motivational safety speech.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I love that. Yeah, there's so many people, like,

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Speaker 2: there's so many times people don't do that and then

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Speaker 2: like stuff happened.

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Speaker 1: You know what it was in my it was it

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Speaker 1: was helpful because it uh the way you handle it

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Speaker 1: in the story you tell uh, it's effective because it

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Speaker 1: made it. It burned in my head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you rethink things no matter how many times you

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Speaker 2: It just it's always good to have that fresh reminder.

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Speaker 6: I was telling them, we do it even when it's

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Speaker 6: just us like the same guys we hunt with day

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Speaker 6: in and day out.

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Speaker 1: We could have hunted twelve days in a row.

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Speaker 6: And at the start of the hunt before shooting, like,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to stand in front of the A frame

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Speaker 2: I personally know two people who got killed duck hunting. Seriously, yes, personally, no,

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Speaker 1: This is why we harp on it. Another another Brady

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Speaker 6: Too tight, knock over guns. Yeah, you know, their tails

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Speaker 1: That's bad to the bone. Because how tight you put

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Speaker 1: cid you give me your impressions of the hunt. They

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Speaker 1: How'd that go?

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Speaker 5: Like I said, the first day, we shot some specs

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Speaker 1: We recently had a guest on uh, Crian, do you

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Speaker 9: You go teeing up. We recently had Phil Loveretzky on

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Speaker 1: Com and you can listen to the whole damn.

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Speaker 9: And you can also listen to our entire podcast or

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Speaker 9: And one way to help contribute data to their growing

442
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Speaker 9: research is by participating yourself as a citizen scientist. So

443
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Speaker 9: we've got a bunch of test tube vials with an

444
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 9: agent in them and a reagent I actually don't know

445
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 9: the right word screwing that up, Yeah, sauce. And the

446
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 9: instruction is to cut the mallard tongue out or part

447
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Speaker 9: of it out. And we've got kind of this little

448
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Speaker 9: box of tubes for meat eater colleague carvested ducks. So, uh,

449
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Speaker 9: Seth is gonna with his lab code on do a

450
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Speaker 9: little demonstration as we increase the reach of meat eater

451
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Speaker 9: laboratories as well.

452
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Speaker 1: You know, ladies, gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: Crinchnyder very well, all right, Science time and Karin Karin Morris.

454
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Speaker 1: Now Seth has If you're not watching on video, Seth

455
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Speaker 1: has Karin's lab code on. So I don't think he's

456
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: got his own sweet labte that says Karin. Yeah, get

457
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Speaker 1: to borrow. Not that cool yet? You ready, Yeah, let's

458
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Speaker 1: do it. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what's happening.

459
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: Seth is holding the Seth is prying the duck's mouth open,

460
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: and he's revealing its tongue, which is a Chinese delicacy.

461
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: Yep, save your tongues if you have time.

462
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: Have you cooked them up yet?

463
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Speaker 5: Crinn?

464
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, Seth, I would say quarter quarter of an inch.

465
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Speaker 3: Right there, So just a quartern in quarter of an

466
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Speaker 3: inch from the top.

467
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Speaker 1: Get this joke. It's on the tip of his tongue

468
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Speaker 1: right there at the little indent. Yeah, you get it.

469
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Speaker 3: They kind of naturally have a spot that shows you

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Speaker 3: where to cut.

471
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Speaker 1: Really, it's like God wanted to just send the tip

472
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Speaker 1: of his tongue in.

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Speaker 3: There.

474
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Speaker 1: He goes, Oh that noise? Was it up? Sharp Knight?

475
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Speaker 3: Getting number one?

476
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Speaker 1: Seth has cut the tip of its tongue on the number.

477
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Speaker 1: Is it probably marring Phill's special studio table? Oh yeah, Brady?

478
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Speaker 1: Did he cut into the table.

479
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Speaker 6: I don't think he cut into the table, but I

480
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Speaker 6: use the table as it's a cutting makes a fine cutting.

481
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Speaker 1: Boarder marring Fill's special table.

482
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Speaker 3: Can I touch this with my hands or is that

483
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Speaker 3: gonna mess anything up?

484
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 4: I think you're fine with you.

485
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Speaker 2: I don't know. They might have.

486
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Speaker 3: Goodness all right, and there it is specimen number one.

487
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 3: There's number one.

488
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, now you got to fill out your sheet.

489
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Speaker 3: I don't have anything to write.

490
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 4: We can do that later.

491
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Speaker 1: So yeah, we just that's all it takes. We just

492
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Speaker 1: participated in citizen science. So now this will get submitted

493
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Speaker 1: with a lat lawn court will get submitted with corn.

494
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Speaker 1: And it's one of the kind of what other kind

495
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Speaker 1: of biometric detail they want off that they they don't

496
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Speaker 1: need to ask a lot, they can just figure it

497
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Speaker 1: out themselves, right. They want to know male female.

498
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Speaker 7: Yeah, they want species, sex, location, latitude, long longitude, date, comments,

499
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Speaker 7: got it?

500
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Speaker 3: Probably ought to put this into fridge, right.

501
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: And then they will be able to take that mallard

502
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Speaker 1: and so far what that should based on the conversation

503
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Speaker 1: we have with them, that should come back wild mallard, purebread.

504
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: That's your remembrance. Yeah, that that duck should come back purebread.

505
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: But they're watching the very slow westward creep of pen

506
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: Raise mallard. So mallards from pen Rais mallards originating from Europe,

507
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: brought in as game farm birds, breeding into wild mallards

508
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: and perhaps creating some troubled behaviors, not following migratory patterns well,

509
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: poor nesting success, poor site selection, lower ability to navigate,

510
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: foul weather, not that foul. Oh can I get you

511
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: a little feedback, Brady, I would love to. Naming your

512
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: dog Lead creates a lot of confusion that good story

513
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: because he's like, Lead, No, what now, who's cheoting Lead?

514
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: Lead?

515
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: Like is it what happened? Like if there's multiple times,

516
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm like he's talking about his dog.

517
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Speaker 5: He was doing the safety protocol and he said Lead.

518
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, well you should probably keep your tone down here.

519
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Speaker 1: Lead, I mean named my next dog. Take him, Brady,

520
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: what's the punchline? Well, we named him lead because it's

521
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Speaker 1: the only lead we can legally use in the field.

522
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Speaker 1: There it is.

523
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Speaker 6: And I love single syllable names for a dog, So

524
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Speaker 6: Lead we can use lead because he's good in the field.

525
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, he did great today. It was a

526
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Speaker 1: good day. Saved us a lot of walking great dog. No,

527
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Speaker 1: he does, and he like he has he brings a

528
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Speaker 1: lot of gusto. Yeah, he he. I would say he

529
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: assaults the geese. Not not in a bad way. It

530
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Speaker 1: doesn't like mold. Yeah, but but if it's if it's

531
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Speaker 1: running away, he's on it. He's like he goes after

532
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: that football player.

533
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Speaker 6: He had one today. I mean it was like a

534
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 6: thousand yards. It was a sailor and then he ran

535
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 6: way out to it. Right when he got to it,

536
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 6: had joker got up and flew like another three hundred

537
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 6: yards and went back down and freaking all the way there,

538
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 6: came back.

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Speaker 1: He was he was catching his breath on this thing. Yeah, yeah,

540
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: that was awesome. That Uh listener listener question here.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: The topic is fuzzy waterfowl regulations. This is something we've

543
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: discussed a great bit, but we'll discuss it right now again.

544
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: This this fella says there's a great area. This is

545
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: the This is a listener email. There's a great area

546
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: and waterfowl hunting regulations. I have to edit this is it?

547
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Speaker 1: This is verbatim.

548
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Speaker 9: Crinn I had to edit a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, apologies to the listener. There's there's a gray area

550
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Speaker 1: and waterfowl hunting regulations, which is a rule I'm trying

551
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: to edit it on the fly, which is a rule

552
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: that's broken in ninety nine percent of grip and grin

553
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: waterfowl picks. There's also a discrepancy in party shooting. Okay,

554
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: this is like answering your question, but you don't know

555
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: what the question not his fault. What are you talking about?

556
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: Is this? I believe Krin is this correct? He's talking

557
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Speaker 1: about how you're supposed to have your own ducks separate. Okay,

558
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: so when you're hunting ducks, you're supposed to keep track

559
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: of who knows who got what, because you're not supposed

560
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: to party hunt. Meaning if three guys are in a

561
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Speaker 1: blind and you're each allowed five ducks, let's say and

562
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Speaker 1: one guy's got the hot gun, Theoretically that guy is

563
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Speaker 1: not supposed to shoot fifteen ducks. And then he's like, hey,

564
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Speaker 1: I got everybody's limit, Like every hunter's supposed to get

565
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: their own stuff. This guy brings up, well, okay, but

566
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Speaker 1: when you take a duck grippingrin, you lay your ducks out.

567
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: The ducks aren't separate, and when you're shooting and a

568
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: duck comes in and three people stand up and by

569
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Speaker 1: back who's duck? So he says, that's the gray area.

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00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: And I think you're correct. I think that's why you

571
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: don't see. I think there's like laws that are on

572
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: the book. But in all of the time that I've

573
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Speaker 1: been alive, I've never met someone who had a warden

574
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Speaker 1: come in and had to be that he wants to

575
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: understand out of three shooters who shot the duck. People

576
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: that get in trouble for this are it's like you

577
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: get in trouble for this later on your way home.

578
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: There's confusion. I never have heard of or seen of

579
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Speaker 1: anyone jump out and be like, all right, boys, I

580
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: got you cause I feel like more than one of

581
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: you hit that duck, But now what are you gonna do?

582
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: I think it's like what we'd normally do in the situations.

583
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: We'd look and be like, felt like Jimmy's ducks seemed

584
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: like he was aiming right.

585
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 4: Someone's just got to claim that ducky he claim the dock.

586
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that goes against or goes towards their limit.

587
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so this isn't negating, it's not negating. The

588
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: listeners thinking but it is fuzzy, and I think the

589
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: way you cope with the fuzziness is you kind of

590
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: look at over the course of time, where do you

591
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: see people get in fractions. They get in fractions about

592
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: shipping ducks, transporting ducks after the hunt. I've just never

593
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: heard of somebody getting in trouble over like a like

594
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: a like a dispute like that, meaning a bunch of

595
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: people shoot someone claims the duck. I mean, of course

596
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: there's the impossible way to do it. And I've never

597
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: heard that it's illegal for two people. It's not like

598
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: illegal for two people to shoot at one duck.

599
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 4: No, No, I agree.

600
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: I think somebody's got to claim it.

601
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Speaker 6: To Max's point, the other thing we do is if

602
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Speaker 6: we have a lot of people in the blind and

603
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 6: we're like really getting them, we will lay the birds

604
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 6: out behind the blind in separate piles. So it's like, okay, Brady,

605
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 6: Steve Sidney, you know, Dane, whatever.

606
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: One there.

607
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing is as soon as we're

608
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 6: done in the field and we're about to go and

609
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 6: and this boggles my mind that people don't do this,

610
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 6: but we tag them.

611
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you this morning did like what you're supposed

612
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Speaker 1: to do.

613
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's a federal law that you have

614
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 6: to tag birds for transport, and so we tag them

615
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 6: and it's got the hunter's name, you know, the county

616
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 6: that was killed, the species, the number, the signature, everything

617
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 6: on that tag. That one is a fascinating rule because

618
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 6: so many times people have been waterfowl hunting with us,

619
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Speaker 6: and I'm sure Max's experiences and you're like, all right,

620
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 6: we're going to tag birds, and people look at you

621
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 6: like you're speaking Japanese man, like what are you talking about.

622
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, we got to tag them. I tag them

623
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Speaker 1: if I'm if I clean them and leave like a

624
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: wing attacked and I'm flying somewhere and I'm flying them home,

625
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: I would tag them. But I would I never in

626
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: my life tagged bird to drive ten twenty miles down

627
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 1: the road.

628
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, as long as they're with you, you're fine, okay.

629
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Speaker 7: But yeah, to Brady's point, for like any kind of transportation,

630
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 7: if like you leave your birds with someone else, they

631
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Speaker 7: got to be tagged for sure.

632
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 6: So the way the rule is written is I think

633
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 6: it's actually like if you're going from the field to

634
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 6: your abode, then you're you're good but like today we

635
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 6: went from the field to launch to the office here

636
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 6: for the podcast and then home. And you start doing that,

637
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 6: then they need to be tagged.

638
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you're in a building that's not your home

639
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: and there's birds in your truck that are not completely yep,

640
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: you're not you're not with them right because they're out

641
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: in the parking lot right. So and it takes two

642
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: seconds to tag the birds.

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00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 6: Like, it's just a simple rule to keep, and you

644
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 6: just make sure you're always above board all the time.

645
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: You know, another another rule that you always hear about

646
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: being a rule, and you don't hear everybody get in

647
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: trouble with the rule is, uh, you know, you're not

648
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: supposed to have like eagle feathers, hawk feathers unless you're

649
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: like a Native American or something. We had a word

650
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: none and he said he's written two citations that And

651
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: he said one time he is at a red light

652
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: and there's a guy next to him that his his

653
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: rear view mirror is draped in rafter talents.

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00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, pulls him over.

655
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: Another time he's it is leaving his grocery store pushing

656
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Speaker 1: a shopping cart and looks in the back of the

657
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: truck and there's a dead owl in the back. So

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Speaker 1: he waits to talk to the guy and he said

659
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: it was funny. Is both people their immediate thing was

660
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: to tell me their Native American? Oh my god, neither

661
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: neither was the very Scandinavian that was like, that's like

662
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: the little thing everybody has in her head. Is I

663
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: think it's okay? I like you're Native American? Right, It's

664
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: like I'm Native American. Ah, here's not an interesting thing.

665
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: Now sitting you feel free to weigh in on any

666
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: of the stuff you want. Is there anything you'd like

667
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 1: to add right now?

668
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 5: No, I've actually didn't know about the feather.

669
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: So is your mirror drave you're gonna want to get.

670
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is like, does that mean.

671
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: It means that you're not allowed to have that? That

672
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying If I.

673
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 5: Find it on in the cornfield and I see a feather.

674
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: Yes, like if you took that feather, and like if

675
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: you took that feather and put it in your backpack again,

676
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: it's one of those rules that it's a rule, but

677
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: you just don't meet. There's many more people that have

678
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: picked up a egle feather than there are that got

679
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: in trouble for picking up ego feathers. It was just

680
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: one of those interesting rules that you sort of have

681
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: the feeling in the back of your head that there's

682
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: something about how you're not supposed to do it.

683
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 5: Well, I didn't know that I'm not picking up feather,

684
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 5: so nobody come for me.

685
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: But this guy's point was he presented, he was presented

686
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: with two things that he couldn't ignore. In no situations

687
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: he would. He stepped in because the one was just

688
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: like like this, like sort of you know, chandelier of

689
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: rapid talons caught his eye and then everyone was like

690
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: the actual dead owl. But that's the thing. It's just like,

691
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they dyed the damn feather and it

692
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: looks like ego feather.

693
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

694
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if Oscar is out in the field and

695
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: he picks up an eagle feather, you know you're.

696
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: Not gonna lot, You're not gonna call him and stuff.

697
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: I don't think.

698
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 6: So we were on a hunt last year and we

699
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 6: shot a goose and it sailed like the next field

700
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 6: over and the boys kind of all marked it, like

701
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 6: I think he went that direction, and so I got

702
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 6: out of the blind and I like went on a

703
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 6: hike with lead.

704
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're gonna go find this goose again his dog,

705
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: My dog led, Yeah, it's an effective method. Get that goose.

706
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: Let better not that hasn't been illgal since nineteen eighty six, right,

707
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: But we.

708
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 6: Hiked our butts over there, and I'm like, all right,

709
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 6: he's in this direction. So with dogs, you can send

710
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 6: him on a blind retree, right, like they didn't see

711
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 6: it go down. You just send him, Yeah, send him

712
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 6: out and they'll work the area. And so I sent

713
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 6: him out and he's kind of working and I'm giving

714
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 6: him some some commands, and all of a sudden, he

715
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 6: gets real birdie. I'm like, yeah, got it. I mean

716
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 6: it just happened on thousands of times. Grabs a bird,

717
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 6: comes back and.

718
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's not a goose, that's not a goose.

719
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 6: And brings back a dead hawk mmm, And I was like,

720
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 6: oh crap, Like what do I do? So I like

721
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 6: he he brought it to heel, sat handed it to

722
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 6: me like he's supposed to do, and I like took

723
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 6: it and instantly walked right back to where he had

724
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 6: picked it up from. And it's straight underneath the power line.

725
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 6: So all I can assume is it like this hot

726
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 6: got sat down the power line and I literally like

727
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 6: left it there and turned and we were like walking out,

728
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 6: and I'm like, crap, that's not good. And it's right

729
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 6: by a road, so I'm like, jeez, like I'm glad,

730
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 6: like I didn't want to look like my dog's retrieving hawks.

731
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 6: And right then this goose like pokes its head up

732
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 6: over the grass and I'm like that one go and

733
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 6: he gets out and went back to the blind.

734
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 9: Uh.

735
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: Upstairs in my office, I have a photo for my

736
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: dad's like I have a photo Pilford from my dead

737
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: father's old photos, and he has an old photo where

738
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: it's him and some other guys and they got cottontail

739
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: rabbits hanging from strings, and then on the end of

740
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: the the and the one of the strings they got

741
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: their owl, which is like, which was just like how

742
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: there was a matter of course, Yeah, it'd be like

743
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: if you were a small game hunter, get the hawks

744
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: and owls and conservation. Yeah it was, yeah, it was conservation.

745
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: Here's a good one. So Pat friend of the show

746
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: multiple times, been on the show many times, does some

747
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: articles for the meteater dot com. He wrote in and

748
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: he sent in a piece that he was recently working on.

749
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: Pat Dirkin being from Wisconsin and he pat covers wildlife politics. Uh,

750
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: Pat has one of my favorite quotes, which is big

751
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: Bucks make people stupid. Send us an article he's working

752
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: on about speaking of citizen science. So I thought, here

753
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: our resident citizen scientists today. He'll he'll perk right up

754
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: when you hear is this about a citizen science program

755
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin where they monitor people's trail camps. So there

756
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: are about two thousand citizen scientists enrolled in Snapshot, Wisconsin.

757
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: And they give you some guidelines and all that. And

758
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: then so these two thousand trail cams are out there

759
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: and they're watching, like what are they getting? What are

760
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: they getting on the trail camps?

761
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: You want to talk about stay with a lot of

762
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: trail cams.

763
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: I am Wisconsin, That's what I am talking about.

764
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 3: It's a lot.

765
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: It's a lot there. Yeah, everywhere that there's no regulations

766
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: on trip.

767
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: You gotta be careful where you pee.

768
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: My did you see the picture I recently got with

769
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: my beaver cam that's ten to you.

770
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: Oh, it's fantastic.

771
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you think that i'd be getting like

772
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: an award from National Geographic It. I got a beaver

773
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: cam set up where it's on a little crossover between

774
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: a pond and the creek, and I just like to

775
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: watch the beavers go by. I so I want to

776
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: wake up with the more. Let's look on her and

777
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: see what all and everything and its brother comes through

778
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: here like everything it's not I don't want to say

779
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: where it is. It'd be illegal to hunt. It's in

780
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: an urban environment, urban environment, but it's just like this

781
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: little kind of like hotspot. And I keep a camera

782
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: there and I've gotten everything in its brother on this camera.

783
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: Mallard's walking by, mink, weasels, magpies, one of them poor wales.

784
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: What's the kind of whipper wool is around here? Whipple

785
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: wool looking bird keep wanting to send it to the

786
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: Cornell people.

787
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: Doesn't they call them like false wheals or something? Yeah?

788
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: Uh, mice rats, rats, pack rats, mice otters, scrats, mountain lion, deer,

789
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: a pet dog, house cat. What about a mountainin dude fishing?

790
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: No mountains give me time? Anyways, I get on it.

791
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: The other day, an otter standing there with a really

792
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: nice trout holding it by the head. Wow. And you

793
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: can tell the chiut's still live. He's all like curled up.

794
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

795
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: And thenett Otter sat there, like perfectly sat there and

796
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: devoured that fish in front of the camera.

797
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 4: That's cool.

798
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: That was great.

799
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: So in Wisconsin they have this Snapshot Wisconsin. And what

800
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: Dirkin was writing about was he was writing about this

801
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: is Dirkin like a I don't know if Dirkin uh

802
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: I feel like Dirkin Rather than being a wolf hater

803
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: or a wolf lover, which comprises ninety percent of Americans,

804
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: Dirt falls in that sweet spot of like sort of

805
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: wolf rational Dirt or Dirkin is wolf rational. But he

806
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: hears people saying in Wisconsin like you can't get a

807
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: picture of a deer anymore. You're like, I get more

808
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: pictures of wolves than I get a deer. And so

809
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: he looked at this year when they came out with

810
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: the new Snapshot Wisconsin statistics, and so for Snapshot Wisconsin

811
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: right now, they're running four hundred and deer photos to

812
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: every wolf photo. But there's some interesting stuff in here.

813
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: So Sawyer County, Wisconsin, Sawyer County, Wisconsin, fifty seven cameras.

814
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: Where's that is that up north.

815
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: It's gotta be someone want to look. Yeah, So Sawyer County, Okay.

816
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: Not one northern county. So assuming not the southern ones,

817
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: they don't have wolves. Now one northern county had wolves

818
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: on every camera.

819
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: That's up by Hayward Good Musky country up there.

820
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: Saint Croix County two percent of the cameras. So in

821
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: Saint Croix County, there's forty seven cameras. In Saint Crai County,

822
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: forty seven enrolled cameras. In Saint Croix County, two percent

823
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: of the enrolled cameras picked up pictures of wolves. Dunn

824
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: County thirty cameras, two picked up pictures of wolves. Then

825
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: you get to this. Douglas County, sixty one of cameras

826
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: set out will grab a picture of wolf.

827
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 3: Wow.

828
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: Iron and Price Counties sixty three percent of cameras set

829
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: out capture wolf. Uh. Marinette County is the top for

830
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: deer photo prevalence, But there's some interesting stuff with bear prevalence.

831
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: Bear photos far outnumbered wolf photos in every county except Shiuano.

832
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: What is it, Shano, No, it's not Shano.

833
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right here.

834
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 7: Shiuano tomato, tomato, shawano, shano.

835
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: They're just like it did shortcutting it.

836
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's probably just how we say it.

837
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: We had a cabin over by mountain, which was not

838
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: too far are from there. We did see wolves seanel,

839
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: we saw deer.

840
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: Two thirty cameras. Check this one out. This is interesting.

841
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: So in that county, thirty cameras snapped five hundred and

842
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: twenty nine bear photos and five hundred and twenty two

843
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: wolf photos.

844
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: Wow.

845
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: Saint Croix county forty seven cameras one wolf photo. Now

846
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm not reading all of Durkin's article, but Dirk, I

847
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: guess the main point of Durkin's article is that there

848
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: aren't as many wolf photos as you'd think. But I

849
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: look and I'm like, that seems like a lot.

850
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 5: This a lot, especially on that point near Duluth, right

851
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 5: by the border of Canada. That's a that's a lot.

852
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 5: That's not very good for your deer population.

853
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: Okay, ready, now again, things could get things could Here's

854
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: the final synopsis for all the counties in Wisconsin and

855
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: for sure, oh sorry sorry, this is only northern This

856
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: is the stats for only northern Withisconsin. And this is

857
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: the final totals, and keep in mind the same things

858
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: can get multi photographed many times. I had a camera

859
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: one time, that photograph, you know, the photograph the same

860
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: doing fun five hundred times, right, So bear that in mind.

861
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: Total cameras one one hundred nineteen enrolled cameras in northern

862
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and snapshot Wisconsin deer photos twollion, eight hundred ninety

863
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: nine thousand, six hundred and a spectacles on forty eight.

864
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: So we'll round up. We're gonna round these by the fives.

865
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna round that up to one thousand cameras, rounding

866
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: down from eleven nineteen to one thousand. Rounding up. These

867
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: are big roundings, rounding up to two million, nine hundred thousand,

868
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: thirty six thousand, three hundred and twenty four bears. So

869
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: those one thy, one hundred and nineteen cameras captured thirty

870
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: six thousand, three hundred and twenty four bear image. Those

871
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: one nineteen cameras captured a total of six thousand, eight

872
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: hundred and three wolf photos, bringing the final number crunch

873
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: to one wolf photographed for every four hundred and twenty

874
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: six deer. Now, if I was a statistician, I'd probably

875
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: shoot all kinds of holes and how that's being looked at.

876
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: But that's all that's being looked at.

877
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: I mean wolves are so much more nomadic too.

878
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: Just which they it means they could show up on

879
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: potentially more cameras or probably perhaps less because they're not

880
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: camped out in some little spot.

881
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: I think perhaps less because they're not camped out. Let

882
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 2: me think of how many times you have a deer

883
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: camera out in Wisconsin and you get you get the

884
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 2: same deer coming through every night.

885
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, same food bloods.

886
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: One of my favorite wolf stats when beavers are dispersing

887
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: in May and in the northern Great Lakes I can't

888
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: remember it is ninety eight percent of wolf scats contain

889
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: beaver remains. And then by the end, like by the

890
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: late summer, when they're not dispersing anymore, it just drops

891
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: off precipitously to next to nothing.

892
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah I read that.

893
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they hammer beavers when the beavers are dispersing, and

894
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: then they just forget about them go on to something else.

895
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 5: So it was the point of the article saying that

896
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 5: the wolf problem isn't really a problem in Wisconsin.

897
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: Uh, let me tell you about I wanted to say

898
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: a couple things about darkin Okay. I recently got a

899
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: note from Durkin. I told a story recently about losing

900
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: a friend of mine, and I got a note from

901
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: Durkin about touching in with me about the story I

902
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: told about losing a friend of mine. I showed the

903
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: note to my wife, which my wife said, that is

904
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: one of the good ones, meaning Durkin. If everybody on

905
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: this planet behaved like Pat Durkin, there wouldn't be any problems.

906
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: I think what Pat's trying to say here is I

907
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: think Pat's trying to say that there aren't that many wolves.

908
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: Maybe is that you're He's like you people saying that

909
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: all you get is wolf photos. Let's look at the stats.

910
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: I think what.

911
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: He's saying is it's not as bad as everybody thinks

912
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: it is, because you go up to those counties and

913
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: you talk to those people and immediately they're like wolves.

914
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: You know.

915
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone jumps to blame it on wolves. Maybe the

916
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: bears are killing I.

917
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: Think has to do with logging up there in the

918
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: Nicolay National Forest and not having there's there's more and

919
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: more old growth and not as much like new brows

920
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: and things like that. For deer that at least in

921
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: the area where we were at. I mean, there are wolves.

922
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: There are wolves, and there are more wolves. And you think,

923
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 2: I mean, when they opened the season, you know, in Wisconsin,

924
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: to shoot wolves. It was staggering how quickly they got

925
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: to quote.

926
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: Which always makes me think there must be a lot

927
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: of wolves. But let me let me give it to

928
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: dir I'll give it now that we got into it

929
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: and we're questioning Dirkin's, uh, you know, journalistic integrity. Here's

930
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: the headline. Northwoods deer outnumber bears wolves in trail cam survey.

931
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: That's the headline.

932
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: Dirkin goes on to say folks who scoring gray wolves

933
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: often claim they see more of them than white tailed

934
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: deer when poking around Wisconsin's Northwoods the past twenty years. Meanwhile,

935
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: trailcams are now as common as ravens and woodticks in

936
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: those forests, providing round the clock surveillance of bait pile's,

937
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: food plots and two track trails. All that photographic evidence

938
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: spawns countless claims and surplus exclamation points. And he quotes

939
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: someone quote, we seldom see deer on our trail cams anymore,

940
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: but we see plenty of wolves. Last fall before gun season,

941
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: I didn't find five sets of deer tracks in the

942
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: snow by falling, lots of wolf tracks, wolf tracks, and

943
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: some spots on our logging road look like Kyle paths.

944
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: That's why there's no deer left in northern Wisconsin. And

945
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: this individual that Pat's quoting has already used four exclamation

946
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: points and adds six on to the end of that passage,

947
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: means all of which were quoted by Pat. Then he

948
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: goes on to say this is Durkin as best I

949
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: could tell. Hold No Dirton goes on and say, hey,

950
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: every hundred throughout history wants more dear and deer sign

951
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: that includes me. While scouting my favorite sites in Ashland

952
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: County two weeks ago, I found no deer tracks or

953
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: buck signed in three days. And this is the former

954
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: editor of Deer and Deer Honey magazine. Pat's a deer. Well,

955
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: he's got thirty some shoulder mounts of white tail deer,

956
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: which is successive.

957
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: Something like that, successive something to shoot for.

958
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Pat likes deer so much that you know

959
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: he put stickers on the truck. Pat's put stickers of

960
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: famous deer on his truck. Oh, he loves really likes deer.

961
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 5: Is he like goes You're like there's auctions where they

962
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 5: sell like the antlers.

963
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 3: Probably, Yeah, he loves deer in the Edmunds.

964
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald knows a lot about the Edmond fitz and knows

965
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: a lot about the Navy. Okay, he was in the Navy,

966
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: knows a lot about that. I've never had that happen

967
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: in the shittiness of the sign He's saying, I've never

968
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: had that happen in twenty years of hunting that part of.

969
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 2: The Nicolay National Force.

970
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: Well, give me the first part chester.

971
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: Uh chikwam chika mcguan chikwamag chikwamagon chikuwama.

972
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: Gun chakuama gon Nicolay National Force. Isn't Nicola the fella

973
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: that showed up Green Bay, like cross Lake Michigan and

974
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: showed up with Green Bay and put on a Mandarin

975
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: robe like he thought he's in China. This dude for real, real,

976
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: This dude for real? I think Nicolay when he crossed

977
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: Lake Michigan, He's like ha, and he like had been

978
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: carrying like a China made robe of some sort and

979
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: put it on to go and like meet the people.

980
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: He's like, Wow, the muskie fishing is good, and check.

981
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: Suspiciously like the other side of the lake Nikola nashed Forth.

982
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: Dirkin goes on. Then again I saw no wolf sign either,

983
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: which makes sense. Why would wolves waste their time and

984
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: energy hunting such lousy deer habitat, especially after a scientifically

985
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: documented quote very severe killer winter for white tails. Then

986
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: there's a passage I'm not gonna read. Then I'm gonna

987
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: try to end this whole thing we're doing here by

988
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: getting to this to continue my quote of Pat Durkin.

989
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: But one man, and here's this isn't the important part.

990
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: But one man's observations. I'm pounding the table. But one

991
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: man's observations don't necessarily paint a picture. To learn what

992
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: my fellow hunters and other folks are documenting in Ashland County,

993
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: I looked up the snap Shot Wisconsin Data Dashboard Snapshot

994
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: Wisconsin's current five year data set. The numbers, however, make

995
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: you question some folks claims about wolves overrunning the north

996
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: Woods and then in Ashland County, for instance, thirty trail

997
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: camps in scientifically chosen sites took twenty three two and

998
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: ninety nine deer photos from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two,

999
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: those same cameras took one hundred and seven wolf photos

1000
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: and seven hundred and thirteen bear photos. Now, this deal

1001
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: about wolves and bears is something that really keep in

1002
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: mind because when they did mortalities, like the after wolves

1003
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: came into Idaho and wolves is like decimated elk populations

1004
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: in the Idaho Panhandle. But you know what had always

1005
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: been really hard on them is mountain lions. So more

1006
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: elk calves are killed by mountain lions in the Idaho Panhandle.

1007
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: But that's always been that way. So whatever the hell

1008
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: it was, is like like for every hundred calves that

1009
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: hit the ground, twenty three, I don't know what the

1010
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: number is, twenty twenty three, something like that, twenty three

1011
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: or twenty, you're gonna killed my mountain lions. But it's

1012
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: just always been that way. You have very stable mountain

1013
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: lion populations over time. Everybody's used to it. Wolves come

1014
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: in and they don't trump that number, but they add

1015
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: to that number. And that so it's like what when

1016
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: a wolf calf, when an elk calf hits the ground,

1017
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: what's probably gonna kill it? A mountain lion. But wolves

1018
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: are the new players in town. And there's the mountain

1019
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: lions have always been killing whatever the number was, thirteen twenty,

1020
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: I can't remember. They've always been killing that. But now

1021
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: you're adding on eight and that's the tipping point normalcy.

1022
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: So people on the ground are like, man, there was

1023
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: a bunch of elk and then wolves came, and now

1024
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: the elk are really down. If you could somehow remove

1025
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: it's almost like if you could remove mountain lions and

1026
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: almost do more for elk. But the wolves just tipped

1027
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: it so wildly out of balance that whatever equilibrium was

1028
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: there get shot.

1029
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 5: And then what's the regulation in Idaho for wolves is

1030
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 5: they're not they're delisted.

1031
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: So we like we like I did something. Wolves were

1032
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: successfully delisted in the Northern Rockies. So they were successfully

1033
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: delisted in Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana. And it's been very

1034
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: whip saw in the northern Great Lakes seesaw what's the

1035
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: term whipsaw? Back and forth, back and forth.

1036
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can like in Montana right now they're listed.

1037
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: You can you can go and buy a wolf tank, like.

1038
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: You could be walking around with one in your pocket

1039
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: right now. In fact, I am.

1040
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 7: You were right about the nick let guy showing up

1041
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 7: in Green Bay with wearing a Chinese dress.

1042
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: What you think about that, Krin More, that's totally.

1043
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 3: Thanks.

1044
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing, speaking of Kren, here's the thing

1045
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: Krin has been hot on. Crin's hot on, like urban

1046
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: urban rat hunting is the new flathead noodling?

1047
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: Do you agree, Sydney?

1048
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: Do you remember? Do you remember the way flathead noodling

1049
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: just captured the collective imagination of American media. It was like,

1050
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: there's always been some guys that noodle flatheads. Bercard Bilger

1051
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: wrote the book Noodling for Flatheads, which is about Southern

1052
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: the way Southern culture still exists in the US, and

1053
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: exploration of Southern culture. And it became that every TV

1054
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: host anyone on the planet over the next decade went

1055
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: noodle to flathead Ryan, anyone, have you noodled flat Yeah? Okay,

1056
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: I didn't, But I also never got a tattooed.

1057
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie. It was so much fun, so fun.

1058
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not a down on it. I'm not

1059
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: down on it. I'm just observing that it became a

1060
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: media fascination.

1061
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 5: It was it was a trend it a trend.

1062
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: And right now it is a major trend and Krinn

1063
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: is hot on it to go rat killing with dogs

1064
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: and cities. And while noodling was supposed to be like

1065
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: a city man's introduction into rural culture, this is a

1066
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: rural introduction into urban culture, like you'd come from the

1067
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: sticks to go see how these city boys rat killer dogs.

1068
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: Like Jack Terrier's probably right.

1069
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: Is Crin is really itching to have one of these

1070
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: rat hunters on the show.

1071
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 5: They're up in northern Montana, on the border of Canada,

1072
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 5: because Jack, you might we're talking about to our front

1073
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 5: Tie and Calgary. There's no rat population in Alberta. I

1074
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 5: think because they just completely wiped them out. They got

1075
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 5: them yep, with dogs maybe, but that's like in the

1076
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 5: rit and it's on the border.

1077
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: This hasn't come up with me eat a trivia. But

1078
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 1: my understanding is Anchorage, Alaska is the large something has

1079
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: some superlative it's the largest, the world's largest port city

1080
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: with no rats. And when a rat shows up, they

1081
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: have a ship fit they do when a rat someone

1082
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: if a boat comes into the rat it's like code red.

1083
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: So Krim, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna

1084
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: get one of these people on or not.

1085
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 9: No, I just want to clarify, I'm not quite sure

1086
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 9: I want to have one of these city folks. I

1087
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 9: just find it, No, I just find it hilarious that

1088
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 9: major mainstream UH news organizations and newspapers seem to have

1089
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 9: a fascination with hunting through the lens of UH you know,

1090
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 9: city residents hunting rats with their docs. In's right, they're

1091
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 9: all it's like you can you can just google it

1092
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 9: and their articles in like uh New York Magazine, Washington Post,

1093
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 9: the New York.

1094
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: Times sends them all to me, I have the.

1095
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 9: Washington posted a podcast about these rats, like it's just

1096
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1097
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: Text a lot, and I have to sort through all

1098
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: her rat killing, all her rat the ones that interest me.

1099
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 5: You helped to like look up the facts. But when

1100
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 5: we're in New Zealand, we're watching the television with the news, Okay,

1101
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 5: tell them TV Russian TV news is on. They were

1102
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 5: having a cat killing contest, like house cat geral cats.

1103
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: Yes, and they got the school kids rolled into it, yep.

1104
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 5: And it was a tournament and they had they had

1105
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 5: to literally cancel the tournament because some people's house cats

1106
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 5: were actually getting killed with collars.

1107
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 3: Then covered it.

1108
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we covered we didn't cover that aspect of

1109
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: We covered the aspect of it that everyone was fine

1110
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: with it until they got the kids involved. And then

1111
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: then people got like.

1112
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 5: There if I wasn't until they're like, where's a mister Peppers.

1113
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 5: He was here today and he got out and he

1114
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 5: got killed.

1115
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I'd say, I'd say was mister

1116
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: Peppers maybe not in the.

1117
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 5: House, but mister Peppers got out the house.

1118
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: That's on him. Then it says that's on mister Pepper.

1119
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 7: It says the kid who killed the most cats between

1120
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 7: mid April and the end of June won a total

1121
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 7: of one hundred and fifty five dollars.

1122
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: What a time to be alive. That old fashion of

1123
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: fun that was just springs right now the New Zealand

1124
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: yesterday is today.

1125
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: If we had.

1126
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: That's nuts a Sydney earlier we were talking about I

1127
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: was talking about we're talking about hunting as kids, and

1128
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: you talk about growing up and like falling asleep. Oh yeah,

1129
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: I under a blanket.

1130
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 5: And the blanket to the blind.

1131
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: So you got you got into it young.

1132
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was more like a like how you told

1133
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 5: your kids. I don't care what you're doing. Cancer plants

1134
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 5: are coming with me.

1135
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, like better tell Johnny you can't make.

1136
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was how it was. But Dad, it's cold,

1137
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 5: it's too early. We'll bring your blanket. You can sleep

1138
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 5: on the floor. So that's what I would do, just

1139
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 5: like five years old, sleeping and he'd wake me up.

1140
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 5: That's why I called my first turkey woke me up.

1141
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 5: I shout a jake.

1142
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:53,959
Speaker 1: He woke you up and let you know his time.

1143
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 5: Yep, he's like, you know, I'm like seven, I think,

1144
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 5: and I shot him. Yeah, shouted jake. Did it was

1145
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 5: midday snooze?

1146
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: Did you ever think it was? Was it close to backfire?

1147
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 5: And what do you mean?

1148
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: That's the whole argument people make. People say like, well,

1149
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm just easing my kids thin because I don't want to.

1150
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 5: Backfire, not in a blackfire.

1151
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean I always saying, what, like was that was

1152
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: that part of the calculus at all?

1153
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 5: Like what do you for me?

1154
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: Uh no, no, it's not, it's not. I need to

1155
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: I need to note it down. Smart ducks. I'm asking

1156
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: a very confusing question.

1157
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: Did your like, did you eating out that early?

1158
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: Did it either like come close to turning you off,

1159
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: or did your dad worry about turning you off by

1160
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: just being like we're going I don't care what you want.

1161
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 5: No, because it made it like a natural thing, like

1162
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 5: I will I. Since I was little, I had a

1163
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 5: bone arrow, and so I always knew that that was

1164
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 5: what we did. I had no idea. I mean for Easter.

1165
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 5: We would go to Texas every year for my Easter

1166
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 5: break and we would They would put out like the

1167
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 5: Mexican Easter eggs where you smash them when the caffetti

1168
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 5: comes out in the woods. So we would be hunting hogs.

1169
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 5: We'd be walking around and there'd be Easter eggs. We'd

1170
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 5: collect them and put them in so awesome, it's so

1171
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 5: funny serious, and then like Thanksgiving that's where we would go,

1172
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 5: we'd go back to Texas. It's like I just that

1173
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 5: was a normal for me. That's what we did. That

1174
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 5: was our hobby. So it wasn't like turning off. I

1175
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 5: think if you started later, like maybe when kids are

1176
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 5: in high school or maybe like late middle school, when

1177
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 5: they already had that social connection and they already kind

1178
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 5: of grew up with different hobbies or sports, that's when

1179
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 5: it could maybe turn them off if you force it

1180
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 5: too much, because they already kind of grew into something else.

1181
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 5: But I just right from the get go, I was

1182
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 5: hunting and fishing and that's all I knew. And then

1183
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 5: I'd got into other sports. But in high school I

1184
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 5: got a little bit more social, So it would have

1185
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 5: turned me off if it was a little bit more pressured.

1186
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: But did you ever take a year long break?

1187
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 5: I mean when I was in high school, I was

1188
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 5: in softball and basketball, so slowed down, slowed down, and

1189
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 5: I was like a little social butterfly, but I still hunted.

1190
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 5: And then I got to college and then I was

1191
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 5: like back on the grind.

1192
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, where'd you go to college?

1193
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 5: I went to Illinois Wesleyan University as a private school

1194
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 5: in near Illinois state. What's it called Illinois Wesleyan.

1195
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: I've heard of, like Hillary Clinton go to Wesleyan.

1196
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 5: There's a lot of different Wesleyans. There's like an Iowa

1197
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 5: An Indiana. I don't know. Probably they're like, yeah, I

1198
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 5: don't know, they're all similar.

1199
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: And what kind of hunting did you do there?

1200
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 3: So?

1201
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 5: I was a nursing school there, and uh, I so

1202
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 5: didn't have a lot of time, but I had a buddy.

1203
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 5: It was my dad's friend that let me hunt his

1204
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 5: property about fifteen minutes away, so I would be in

1205
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 5: my scrubs and I would take him off of my

1206
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 5: hunting clothes on really fast and get fifteen minutes and

1207
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,479
Speaker 5: climb up a tree and a deer hunt.

1208
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: Did you finish the nursing deal up?

1209
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a nurse, really, but I never practiced as

1210
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 5: a nurse. Just a waste of money. Yeah, I'm like, dang,

1211
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 5: I got these student loans. I don't even use it

1212
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 5: at least.

1213
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're going to cut everybody loose.

1214
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 2: That's not uncommon.

1215
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. Yeah, but like a nurse, I could

1216
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 5: have done something different. I mean, I can always fall

1217
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 5: back on it. I'm very happy, but it sucked.

1218
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: You're still all the money? Yeah, I remember. It felt

1219
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: pretty good. And I finally paid off my student loan.

1220
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: And now when they talk about forgiving everybody, I'm like, dude,

1221
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: a little late for that. I paid mine off. Yeah,

1222
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: give everybody. I want my money back, Like, why should

1223
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 1: I be penalized for having paid mine off?

1224
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 9: Then?

1225
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: Also everybody else gets to walk. It's totally unfair.

1226
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 5: It's not gonna happen. I'm just gonna have to keep

1227
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 5: crying and paying it off, like I don't even use this. Dude.

1228
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: If you get years paid off, there, send me some

1229
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,479
Speaker 1: of that money. I paid my stuff, man, I paid

1230
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: myself like an American old kind Yeah. Yeah, old style

1231
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: pay their loans.

1232
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

1233
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: Well, how old are when you got your first deer?

1234
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 5: I shot a button buck and I think I was

1235
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 5: like eight or nine. My bow forget yeah, cross compound bow,

1236
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 5: a vertical bow. Yeah, I have a picture of it.

1237
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: What's the world come to that? I have to say?

1238
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: Vertical boat compound? Yeah?

1239
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember I was honey with an old serious Yeah.

1240
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: He recovered it.

1241
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was fifteen yard shot. I just

1242
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 5: remember he died in like a little field right in

1243
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 5: front of me.

1244
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: I shot a button buck my first year with the

1245
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 2: boat at twelve. So he got me beat.

1246
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 5: Oh there we go, no kid. Yeah. And this old

1247
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 5: man that was Honey with, he's so nice and he

1248
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 5: was so excited for me.

1249
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: Who was the old man?

1250
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 5: He's my grandpa's friend. I don't even know.

1251
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: He just took me.

1252
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 5: I have to get us to supervision.

1253
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: They're like, you take her.

1254
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 5: I I was so excited. He gave me a payday,

1255
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,959
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, you know, I'm little only

1256
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 5: I hate paydays. So I pretend to like drop it,

1257
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 5: you know, and they're like, oh, I dropped it. And

1258
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 5: he's like, oh, it's okay, I got another one. I'll

1259
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 5: never forget that, never forget that.

1260
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1261
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: So young though, man, that's young.

1262
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1263
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: Had you been shooting? Did you start shooting when you're

1264
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: real little?

1265
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,919
Speaker 5: Yeah? We still have the little compounds.

1266
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 2: It's like like this big yeah, and now you probably

1267
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 2: shoot it and you're like, how in the hell did

1268
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 2: I kill a deer with that thing? That's that's the

1269
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 2: way I look at that little town.

1270
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 5: I think I got lucky. It was a button buck.

1271
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 5: I don't need too much in the button book.

1272
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 3: You know.

1273
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: Well you still got I hit it.

1274
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 5: I still got to hit it perfectly. Yeah, not perfect nowadays,

1275
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 5: but huh. Yeah.

1276
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: And that's like your passion today is whitetail hunt.

1277
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 5: Yeah. It's just kind of like what we were talking

1278
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 5: in the blind. It's like when you're really good at something,

1279
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 5: that's something that I'm confident about, like I know what

1280
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 5: I'm doing. There's other things that I like doing, like

1281
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 5: waterfowl hunting. I don't know everything. I'm okay with saying

1282
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 5: like I don't know everything about waterfell honety. I like

1283
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 5: to go with my friends, but like that stuff's my

1284
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 5: bread and butter. So that's why I love it so much.

1285
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: And how much time do you put it into it

1286
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: every year?

1287
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 5: I mean a lot. I one year I hunted ninety

1288
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 5: days straight because my white tail I didn't kill until.

1289
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 4: January ninety days straight.

1290
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 3: Wow.

1291
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 5: That was when I just graduated college and I was

1292
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 5: trying to like make video and get into this content

1293
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 5: creation and I really wanted to kill a big white

1294
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 5: ill and I did it finally like two days.

1295
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: Started to lose your mind.

1296
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. I was just destroyed. I was the only

1297
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 5: one in the family had who hadn't killed one, and

1298
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 5: I was the one that hunted the most and had

1299
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 5: it even fired an arrow. So it was pretty distraught,

1300
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 5: but I got it done.

1301
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: Were you trying to find a specific buck.

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Speaker 5: Yes, his name is mister Perfect. So a lot of

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Speaker 5: people who followed along with my Instagram and my socials

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Speaker 5: and everything, they knew who mister Perfect was. And I

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01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 5: got into fifteen yards of him and he was quartered

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Speaker 5: towards me, and uh, he just got spooked and ran

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Speaker 5: off and distraught. Never killed him?

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Speaker 1: Oh you never got him? No, where is he now?

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Speaker 5: Well my dad killed him the next year. But that's

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Speaker 5: okay because he killed him and I killed his book.

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Speaker 1: So we just kind of flopped switch swop. Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: year was this going on?

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Speaker 5: Then twenty twenty twenty got it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that buck died in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 5: Mister Percy, mister perfect died in twenty twenty one. He

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Speaker 5: was a nine year old deer.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys name all your deer?

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Speaker 5: Are big ones? Yeah? This year, we don't have any

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Speaker 5: deer that we've named, So we're just kind of like whatever.

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Speaker 1: Store, like, no one deserves getting talked about.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well there's some, but yeah, not really. I mean

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Speaker 5: there's some big ones, but there's there's a home farm

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Speaker 5: of ours that we like are you know, my great

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01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 5: dad grew up my family grew up on and it's

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Speaker 5: really special to us, and we're really picky with what

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Speaker 5: we harvest off of the property. We're not going to

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Speaker 5: like over abundance harvest the deer. Like if there's a

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Speaker 5: nice four and a half year old five year old,

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Speaker 5: we'll probably leave him, you know. But the big bucks

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Speaker 5: we killed last year were eight and nine, so they

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01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 5: were old deer that we were after for multiply multiple years.

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Speaker 5: They kept tricking us, so that's yeah, that's when we

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Speaker 5: we named them. And then we killed our two big

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Speaker 5: ones last year, and then this year is just kind

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Speaker 5: of up and comers. We call it the what did I?

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Speaker 5: What did we say? My dad and I were hunting.

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Speaker 5: We called it one hundred acres and there's just like

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Speaker 5: that's where all the little spikes live. There's like twenty

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01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 5: spikes running around. They're like, well, we just need to

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01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 5: go to a different property. We're gonna let this one

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Speaker 5: grow for a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: At that age, they walk around looking up, don't they.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's they're just walking around. They're gonna stand five

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01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 5: yards from me and just.

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Speaker 1: Like, well, I'm saying that eight or nine years old.

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01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 5: Oh oh yeah, like that knows the look.

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01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: He knows to check the trees before he goes.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. I was hunting this aercup we called six pack,

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01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 5: and he was perfect. He was a pretty twelve pointer. Okay,

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01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 5: he was like seven years old. This dough is in

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01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 5: the middle of the rut. She came right under my

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01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 5: stand five yards I'm like, holy shit, he's coming. He came,

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01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 5: stopped fifteen yards and was just looking up and then

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01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 5: just turned around and walked away and never got a

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01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 5: shot at him. A lady, I killed him, but I

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Speaker 5: killed him next year in the rut. So I was like,

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Speaker 5: I love.

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Speaker 1: Who gets to have the n who gets dames come natural?

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Speaker 5: My dad names him. I'm like, all right, let's roll

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Speaker 5: with it.

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Speaker 1: Got you?

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01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Do you get a lot of deers showing up in

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Speaker 3: the rut that you don't see?

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's why we love the road. We have a

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Speaker 5: couple pieces that we hunt that you know, but but

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01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 5: up there some neighbors or some reserves, and that's when

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Speaker 5: it's just like game on, like this time of the year.

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Speaker 5: That's my favorite place is to hunt suks you just

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01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,839
Speaker 5: don't know. And I love places where there's no trail cameras.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think trail cameras honestly ruin it for you.

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01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 5: They think they ruin it like you. You're constantly looking

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Speaker 5: at him. I mean I'm constantly looking at him. I'm like,

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Speaker 5: were they popping up? So when it's an area where

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Speaker 5: I can hang a new stand or getting a climber

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01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I have no idea what's been coming

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01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 5: in here. I can look at the tracks, look at

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01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 5: the sign, and then who knows what's coming coming to me?

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01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 5: You know?

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01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 7: I feel like they prevent you from going hunting too,

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01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 7: because if you don't have anything on your trail camera,

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01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 7: I'm you gonna go hunting and sit in that stand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can miss, you can miss some like

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01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: I gotta I almost gotta like. I thought of this

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Speaker 1: the other day. I was on my and drive my

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01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: jet boat down the river, and I was like, there's

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01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: nothing sounds better than your own jet boat, and nothing

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01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: sounds worse than someone else's jet boat. I feel like

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01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: trail cameras nothing better than your own trail camera, nothing

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: worse than you'd like, you don't be sweet if I

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Speaker 1: was the only guy that knew about these, because I like,

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: I love setting them out and looking at them. The

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01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: only time I wound up with a problem with them

1395
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: is if you're in one of the states where and

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Speaker 1: use cellular and you're hunting and you got one, and

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01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: you're hunt with one of those people that's just constantly

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01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: telling you what's going on, Like, look at what happened

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01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: while you were right, yes, the minute you you know,

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Speaker 1: if you'd have gone left and not right, look what

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01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: after a while? Just that's great. You can't tell me

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01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: anymore because it's it's detracting from my experience, you know.

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01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 1: And it's like it'd be like when we had babies.

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01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: I'd always want to know what they were going to be, right,

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01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: like boy, girl, whatever, because they know and I didn't

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01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: want to. I don't like anything like why would the

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01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 1: doctor know? But I don't know. So people would want

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Speaker 1: to be superb. My wife like we should be surprised,

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01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: But I can't be surprised because that guy knows. Anyways. Now,

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01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: if he didn't know that I didn't know, that'd be fine.

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01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: But if he knows, I need to know. Yeah, And

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01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: so the whole trail camp thing, even when you tell

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: someone to stop telling you, you still know they know.

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01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 5: And then you're like, okay, fine, just tell me.

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01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's the only problem I have with them.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's nice. It's just like you talk about

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01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 5: trapping and putting them out. It's kind of fun to

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01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 5: see what's coming by and what you get trapped.

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01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's just that's just wildlife observation.

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01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 5: Well, I enjoy that. Yeah, and then when it comes to, oh,

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01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 5: where's all my big bucks, it's just it does ruin

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01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 5: it a little bit. Nothing shows up, be like, well,

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01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 5: I'm not going to go there. Maybe mmmm, I don't know.

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 5: I love it, I love hate relationship.

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01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 2: I just got back from Wisconsin on my parents' property

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01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: and we don't have any giants walking around this year,

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01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 2: and it we have some nice ones, but it definitely

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01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: was like, like.

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01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: Man like because you were a trail cam and he

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01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: never got them right.

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01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we we were trail cam and deer

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01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: that that like shooters, but usually there's like on camera

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01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: we have one or two giants, and we did not

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01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 2: have that this year. So I wasn't like as excited

1435
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 2: when I got out there sit in the tree stand. Yeah,

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01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: but the thing that kind of kept me going is like,

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01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 2: you never know, it's the rut and deer can show up.

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01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: But if we didn't have those trail cameras, I probably

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01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 2: would have hunted a little bit harder.

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01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: Well, let's revisit something. It wasn't in this in our

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01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: last studio, so I can't say it happened right in

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01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: this room. But remember we had dustin huff on. Yeah,

1443
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: who killed the huffbuck. So biggest white tail killed in

1444
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 1: the in the US, right, is the second biggest in

1445
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: the world.

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01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:42,959
Speaker 2: It's big.

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01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: Biggest biggest white tail typical, right, biggest typical, the biggest

1448
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: typical white tail in the lower in the US. He

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01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: never got a picture.

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01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 2: Of it, but he had cameras out.

1451
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,839
Speaker 1: But other guys got pictures of it but didn't tell him.

1452
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: So once he killed it, he realized every time dicking

1453
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: Harry around town had a picture of it but weren't

1454
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: telling anybody. He's like, eh, and he didn't know about it. Yeah,

1455
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: that's awesome. So it's like, you know what I mean.

1456
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: So you could be like, wow, there's no point in

1457
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 1: going out, but dude.

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01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I still went out. Yeah, And

1459
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: I was like, there is a chance to have something

1460
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 2: like that happen in the area we're at, for sure.

1461
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: But when you don't have that deer showing up like

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01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: we have in the past, like big, it's just you're

1463
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 2: not quite as.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, this year though I think not this is just

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 5: this year, but every year, just during their run, Like

1466
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 5: we were talking, it's the best time because whenever I

1467
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 5: just see a bigger deer moving. I'm like, the big

1468
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 5: boys are moving as time. And that's when I took

1469
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 5: Jack out with me where we didn't have the new

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 5: trail cameras. I had a neighbor call me and say,

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01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 5: I've seen a drop time buck in one of those fields.

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01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, we're just gonna go over there

1473
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 5: and rattle. When we had two giants come in, like

1474
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 5: game on, but that's the best time.

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01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: There's no Why why didn't you shoot those? Because they

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01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: weren't big enough.

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01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 5: You didn't get No, I didn't get a chance. The

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 5: big one came in. Uh, the wind was swirling. He

1479
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 5: was in front of a bunch of tall corn stocks,

1480
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 5: and I was shooting mechanical, so I didn't want to

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01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 5: shoot through the corn obviously, because you know, one nick

1482
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 5: it's going the opposite direction. But he was a five

1483
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 5: on one side, big two on the other. He was funky,

1484
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:27,640
Speaker 5: but he was very heavy, and he was probably like

1485
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 5: a five and a half year old deer maybe six.

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01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 5: Got my wind smart he circled you did. Yeah. I

1487
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 5: was so upset because he was thirty yards but he

1488
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 5: was just in front of that corn and I wasn't

1489
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 5: about to chance and on a mechanical broadhead and try

1490
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 5: to wound him.

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01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: So have you had a fix?

1492
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 3: You did?

1493
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: Just shot right through that corn.

1494
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 5: If I had a better opening, I didn't want to.

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01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 5: You know, with a mechanical you can have like a

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01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 5: little tiny sliver of something and just yeah, yeah.

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01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to be crashed. But when you when

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01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: you say, like, like, are you like a numbers person,

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01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: Uh like score numbers.

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01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 5: No, we don't score a dear. Okay, I've never scored

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01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 5: any my dear. Huh.

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: So it just it feels like a big one.

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01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a big it's a big dear.

1504
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 5: I'm like, mass, he looks like that big body, doesn't

1505
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 5: look young, got it? I'm shooting him.

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01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: Arrol's fine, Yeah, you're not like, he looks like a

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01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: one seventy. I'm going to hold out for a one

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01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: seventy five. No, that that'd be pretty big for white tails.

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01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty I mean we're in in the Midwest,

1510
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 5: is nice. So we get some big bucks, but don't

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01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 5: happy with one fifty one sixty. I got two tags,

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01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 5: so got it?

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01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: Never put a tape to one.

1514
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 5: I don't even know how.

1515
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding I have a little pamphlet that shows

1516
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: you how we scored my boys antelope there today his

1517
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 1: prong horn. But I I go years without scoring something.

1518
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: But whatever, a friend of mine wants to score something,

1519
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: I get real happy. I just don't personally ever score anything.

1520
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: But antelop are super easy to score.

1521
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could.

1522
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: See Jimmy getting way into that score.

1523
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 3: Way into it. Wait, Jimmy this year, No, but he

1524
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,759
Speaker 3: wanted to.

1525
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: At that age. I was telling these guys earlier day.

1526
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: At that age, they're real into like him and all

1527
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,600
Speaker 1: the kids at school that hunt. They're real into like

1528
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: who got what with what caliber rifle? Yeah, so it'd

1529
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: be like I'd love that. Though Cayden got a buck

1530
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: with a six five creed where I don't know, I

1531
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: don't know. It's just like the whole point, the whole

1532
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: point is.

1533
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 2: What Jimmy got one within mag and it didn't have

1534
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: a muscle break.

1535
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all like gun riders performed flawlessly. I remember

1536
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: a dude bragging to me one time. It was a

1537
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: dude in Canada bragging to me that his kid killed

1538
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: an elk with the two forty three. I was like, Wow,

1539
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: that's something. And later I met the kid was talking

1540
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 1: to He shot it nine times. This was the dad

1541
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: left eye.

1542
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 5: Oh no. The kids they're just like yes.

1543
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: He's like, I try to die by the time I

1544
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: was old. Man just didn't tell me that. That's the

1545
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: thing I have too in my kids. He's like, what

1546
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: a blank kill a blank? Always? Could you kill a

1547
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: bear of the twenty two? Kill a bear of the

1548
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 1: butter knife? May have you got enough time? It's so yes,

1549
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 1: but no, now, uh you do a little duck hunting

1550
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: mm hmm. But opportunistically we share. We're opportunistic duck hunters.

1551
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 5: We are. I think we're similar with a variety that

1552
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 5: we harvest a variety of things.

1553
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: Some have opportunistically and some of it. You put it

1554
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: like this. He's like, it's just not where I spend

1555
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: the energy. Yeah, you'll go, but it's not where you put.

1556
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 5: The energy exactly. It's more of just I have a

1557
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 5: little bit of free time, or I killed my white

1558
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 5: tail and I can kind of hang out a little bit.

1559
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 5: My grandpa wants to go, Grandpa and I will go out.

1560
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 5: Or if it's snowing, it's like ten degrees right, ten

1561
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 5: mile an hour winds, snow's coming in. I'm gonna go

1562
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 5: duck hunting with my.

1563
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: And you go hunt what kind of stuff?

1564
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 5: And what kind of stuff?

1565
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what kind of you guys field hunting?

1566
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 5: You guys hunting or flooded timber or a flooded corn.

1567
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 3: Corn?

1568
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: So it can be pretty good.

1569
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it can be pretty good. Yeah.

1570
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: Now you a squirrel hunter? Yes, you squirrel hunting?

1571
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 3: Yep.

1572
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 5: I've taken Jack, who's sitting behind me, squirrel hunting like

1573
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 5: three times already this year.

1574
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. You guys just creep through the hardwoods. Or what

1575
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 1: do you guys do when you're.

1576
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 5: Creep through the hard woods? Listen firm jumping tree to

1577
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 5: tree and shooting with my twenty two or my air gun.

1578
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: That's the noise of them jumping tree to tree.

1579
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 5: They're jumping and they're barked in and they're cutting redneck

1580
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:07,879
Speaker 5: that noise.

1581
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: Like, I got to I han't done it in a while,

1582
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: but I got to spend spend h five nights and

1583
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: four mornings sitting in a tree stand recently hunting and oaks,

1584
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, deer feeding on acorns and acorns, acorns and

1585
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: per simmons. And I kind of forgot about that. You

1586
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: know that noise Like when I was a kid, us

1587
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: people take two quarters. Oh well no, and rub them

1588
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to be like a like but the squirrel. Yeah,

1589
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 1: but just you can, like sitting in that tree stand,

1590
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: you can hear them chewing a nut. Yeah, you hear them,

1591
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: not only just them calling. You're like, like, you hear

1592
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: like off in the woods, Like what is that? You

1593
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: realize it's a squirrel like opening a pecan. Yeah, you

1594
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: hear his teeth. It's so quiet.

1595
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 5: Are they're just so you know, they're five fired up

1596
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 5: because there's a deer running underneath them, just barking their

1597
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 5: heads off.

1598
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, perfect, Yeah, it's Uh. The number of squirrels

1599
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: you see deer hunting gives you a lesson about how

1600
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: you ought to hunt squirrels. Yeah, if you really want

1601
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 1: to hunt squirrels, you'd go and be as serious as

1602
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: a deer hunter.

1603
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 5: One thing that I do want to try. I don't

1604
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 5: know if you've ever done this or anybody else has,

1605
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 5: but with dogs, we've a bunch of that. I've never

1606
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 5: done that.

1607
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: I don't have. I don't when I say I've done

1608
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: a bunch of that, I've been the guy that gets

1609
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: to tag along shooting all the squirrels.

1610
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 5: Is it fun?

1611
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: Oh, it's the best thing in the world.

1612
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 5: Is it cool how the dog works? Yes, say, this

1613
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 5: tree and like a like a raccoon or something, it's.

1614
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: The best thing in the world.

1615
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 3: They don't.

1616
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: It's different than a raccoon because you normally you got

1617
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 1: usually got to look for them. Yeah, but they hear them,

1618
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: they smell them, they see them, whatever, and they're on

1619
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: and they're on that tree. They're attacking the tree. And

1620
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 1: then sometimes you got to go in and uh. Here's

1621
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: my contribution to this discipline. I've talked two of these

1622
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: people into the importance of carrying binoculars because then you

1623
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: got to scrutinize the tree to find it laying up there. Yeah,

1624
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,759
Speaker 1: my friends will scrutinize it with their twenty two scope,

1625
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: but I would scrutinize it with binoculars and do better.

1626
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1627
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: But sometimes it's like, oh shit, there's a squirrel. But

1628
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: sometimes you look and look and look and look and

1629
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: look and look and look and determined that it went

1630
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: into a hole. And then you yell in a hole,

1631
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: let's go, you know ho. That's that's the Southerner yelling

1632
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: in the hole. It's so much fun.

1633
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 5: All right, I'm gonna try it.

1634
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: Oh, it's the It's like on a good day, sess

1635
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: been out. Yeah, it's the greatest thing. Clay Newcomb's got

1636
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: squirrel dogs, and my buddy Kevin Murphy has squirrel dogs

1637
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: and we'll go out with those squirrel dogs. And I

1638
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: even had him bring his squirrel dogs up to where

1639
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: I grew up, because where I grew up, people didn't

1640
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: hunt them with dogs. And I thought that it would

1641
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: be the greatest thing in the world because of the score.

1642
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be whatever, They wouldn't have evolved with that level

1643
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: of pressure over the last one hundred years. Whatever made

1644
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 1: no difference.

1645
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 2: And then everybody got poison ivy on the.

1646
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: Squirrels because those sons of bitches were lining their nests

1647
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: with poison. You know when you know when it's glued,

1648
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 1: when poison ivy where it sticks to the tree and

1649
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: it makes that hairy that like hairy coating. They're harvesting

1650
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: that to line nests. We're hunting late season, they're harvesting

1651
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 1: that to line nests. And the first thing that happened

1652
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: someone took a picture of a squirrel and they're holding

1653
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, like picture that you're laying a squirrel in

1654
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: your arm and you're holding the squirrel and you got

1655
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: like his head coming up your the inside of your wrist,

1656
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 1: like yeah, And they did this for like a picture

1657
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: in a while. Lad was that zucker while there's like

1658
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: a squirrel outline like a crime scene. Oh it got bad.

1659
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean I wound up going down and getting I

1660
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: want it going on and getting on to deteroid treatment.

1661
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: It's not bad.

1662
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 3: Everyone got it bad.

1663
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 5: I don't want to do that part, but definitely with

1664
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 5: the dogs.

1665
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: And then you're looking at pictures and it looks like

1666
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: your base you like stuff and squirrels down your pants

1667
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: and stuff like once you knew what was going on,

1668
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: you look at the pictures. She's like, ooh, el was dumb.

1669
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:17,759
Speaker 1: That was dumb. The time I had the one around

1670
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: my neck, that was dumb. Don't really think about that

1671
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: little detail. No, it's fun. But the way we mostly

1672
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 1: hunt when we were young and so like in Michigan,

1673
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: September fifteenth was the opening day, and when I was

1674
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: a kid, it would end December thirty first and September

1675
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: fifteenth would I'd be allowed to skip half a day

1676
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: of school. I could skip a full day October one,

1677
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: which is archery opener. I could skip a full day

1678
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: November one, which is water trapping opener. I could skip

1679
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: a full day November fifteenth, which was rifle opener. But

1680
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: I can only skip half the day. I'm the squirrel opener.

1681
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: And you'd go out and at that time, all the

1682
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: leaves were on, and you just go and do a

1683
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 1: good area and sit and listen, like what you're saying

1684
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: here in acorns raining when they're beach nuts, and you'd

1685
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: get under them. They would't even know you're there because

1686
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: they're the leaves. The foliage is blocking them. And then

1687
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: when the leaves felt, it just became hard, hard, hard, hard,

1688
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: hard hard. But that's the beauty of the dogs, is

1689
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: when the leaves are down and the squirrels are paranoid

1690
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 1: and they're all dead from hawks, you can still clean outs. Yeah,

1691
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 1: it like really makes your season run. In fact, doesn't murphy.

1692
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:25,679
Speaker 1: You don't even like to do it until the leaves

1693
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 1: are down the dogs because when the dogs bay up,

1694
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: you need to be able to find the damn sqirrel.

1695
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and he's one of those guys that doesn't

1696
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 3: carry binocular so doesn't carry vinyls. He can't see him

1697
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 3: up there. Yeah, Vinos, you can see him.

1698
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 5: It is fun early season though, when you're just slowly walking,

1699
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 5: so much fun.

1700
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: I used to go into the White River bottoms and

1701
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 1: you could. You know, you get a limit pretty.

1702
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 5: Quick, and they're so good to eat. Do you how

1703
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 5: do you clean? Do you cut them in this in

1704
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 5: the middle of the body or do you go from

1705
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 5: the tail?

1706
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we call it pants and shirt, pants and shirt?

1707
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I know I can. I clean them from

1708
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 5: either pants and shirt or just from the tail when

1709
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 5: you lift them up, tail skinning them.

1710
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: People that are good are good, but when you mess

1711
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: one up, it's no fun. Kevin Murphy does it. He

1712
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: paled he tails skins. Did you grow up tail, skin.

1713
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 3: And seth Uh?

1714
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 9: No?

1715
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 3: I was shirt and pants? Yeah, shirt and pants.

1716
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 2: How did how did you get into barstool? That's what

1717
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 2: I want to know? Like you were your dad was

1718
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 2: obviously they had the media side of things going, so

1719
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 2: you were involved with that, But like, how did that

1720
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: all go down?

1721
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 5: So it's really funny. I was in Oklahoma. I just

1722
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 5: shot up my Oklahoma white tail, and that night I

1723
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 5: was talking to my cousin and I was like, man,

1724
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 5: I really want to do something on my own. I

1725
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 5: don't want to be I saw the following.

1726
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 2: But not from your dad's stuff.

1727
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1728
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 5: Yeah. And then I had, you know, I picked up

1729
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 5: some people throughout the way, and I was like, I

1730
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 5: don't want to be Tim Wells's daughter. I want to

1731
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 5: be Sidney Wells. I want people to know me for me,

1732
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 5: not because of my dad. And I was talking to

1733
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,560
Speaker 5: my cousin about that the night before and I was

1734
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 5: just like, I don't know to do. I gotta kind

1735
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 5: of figure it out. I was I had no money.

1736
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 5: I had a little bit of saved up through working

1737
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 5: throughout college. And it was so crazy because that next

1738
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 5: day Dave Fortnoy tweeted was like wanted host of Barcel Outdoors.

1739
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:14,719
Speaker 5: I didn't see it. I had a ton of people

1740
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 5: send it to me, and I was.

1741
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: Like, details, we are woven into the stre we are Okay,

1742
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: that's a weird ass story.

1743
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 5: You're got to tell me why we.

1744
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 1: Can talk about it. Actually, not like no one applied.

1745
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: We're just woven into the story.

1746
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 5: Because I have some questions after the cameras are off to.

1747
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: About this story that I'm trying to tell.

1748
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 5: You, yeah, probably you're not gonna say it on air, Okay,

1749
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,799
Speaker 5: we'll talk about so anyways, So then I just literally

1750
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 5: sent an email and just some like YouTube videos, and

1751
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 5: then I met with Gaz, which is like Day's right

1752
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 5: hand man, and I just told him what I do

1753
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 5: and like what I would want to do. And then

1754
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 5: I met with Dave and he was like a ten

1755
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 5: minute conversation. He was late because he was in a

1756
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 5: Jingo tournament, but no, and then he was just like, Okay, cool, yeah,

1757
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 5: that's what you want to do, roll with it.

1758
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: And so he's kind of like an animal He's like

1759
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: an hs US animal rights guy.

1760
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 5: Though, Dude, he does not care what I do, which

1761
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 5: is the crazy thing.

1762
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I want to, like, I always wanted

1763
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 1: to have like a debate with him about because I

1764
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: know he's into like hs US and stuff. He means

1765
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: not not not the kind of he made sightry we

1766
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: take care of dogs, but the other kind of he

1767
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 1: made society. So I feel like he is isn't he?

1768
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: I don't I thought he's like an animal rights guy?

1769
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 5: Is he not? Not? Really, he just doesn't want to

1770
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 5: see it. He just he loves animals, but he doesn't.

1771
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't love him as much as I do.

1772
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 5: I don't. Yeah, I don't know more, Yeah, I don't.

1773
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 5: I don't know. Like fidal Berg, I don't know if

1774
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 5: you John Fidelberg. He told me he's one of the

1775
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 5: main guys who's been along for around for a long time.

1776
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 5: He said he wrote a blog one time, I'm an

1777
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 5: alligator eating a turtle, and he Dave was upset with it.

1778
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 5: It had him take it off a long time ago.

1779
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 5: He's like changed, Dave, because I mean I post so

1780
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 5: much hunting. I mean that's all I do. Yeah, And

1781
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 5: he doesn't know, and nobody will ever say, like, you

1782
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 5: can't do that.

1783
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: So did anyone have any idea of like your background,

1784
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: like before you went and inns like they didn't know

1785
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:16,719
Speaker 1: who your dad was. They didn't know any of the stuff.

1786
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 5: They didn't know anything about hunting in the fish. Actually,

1787
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 5: I had a couple of the Barcelo people already following me.

1788
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 5: So one of them is his name is Brandon Walker.

1789
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 5: He followed me. But he's from West Point, Mississippi, which

1790
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 5: is where the mass Yoke headquarters are. So he's friends

1791
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 5: with the mass Yoke guys. So I think he knew

1792
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 5: of me he likes to fish, and maybe a couple

1793
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 5: of other people, but not not really. No, they didn't.

1794
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 5: Nobody really knew. But now it's kind of fun because

1795
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 5: I have a series called Out of Office which all

1796
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 5: my coworkers want to come and hunt and fish. They

1797
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 5: have no idea. But now, like I just my one

1798
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,639
Speaker 5: of my co workers, his name is Dave called white

1799
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 5: Sox Dave. He shot his first dear with me and

1800
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 5: we like, you know, he brought all the meat home

1801
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:56,839
Speaker 5: and it was just like really exciting.

1802
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're being a teacher too.

1803
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. And then I'm going on a duck unlimited hunt

1804
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 5: in January. They invited us to go, and I'm going

1805
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 5: to bring two of my other coworkers who's never duck hunted.

1806
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: Cool, that's really cool.

1807
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 7: Yes.

1808
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 5: So I mean I feel like I don't put pressure

1809
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 5: on anybody either, Like I'm not ever going to do

1810
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 5: that if you're not comfortable with it, Like I'm not

1811
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 5: gonna make you do anything but the doors open. I'll

1812
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 5: teach you, I'll help you. We won't do things crazy

1813
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 5: off the get go. I want you to like it

1814
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 5: and not be freaked out, just like going squirrel hunting,

1815
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:28,919
Speaker 5: like that kind of small thing, and they're all interested.

1816
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 5: I have had anybody be like what the heck?

1817
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 2: And you guys will film a lot of like Jack, Yeah.

1818
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 5: We film it all.

1819
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1820
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 1: Want you introduce Jack back here? Poor guy?

1821
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, this is Jack. Jack or Landy come here and.

1822
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: Say hi, Hello, meat eater world.

1823
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's really fun. I think I've introduced the

1824
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 5: sport a lot to Barstool and like the audience, and

1825
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 5: been able to show our coworkers who may have not

1826
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 5: maybe wanted to hunt or even thought about it, or

1827
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,640
Speaker 5: maybe even a disagreed to act, enjoy it, which is

1828
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 5: really fun.

1829
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, how long have been?

1830
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,560
Speaker 5: Three years? Almost three years? In February?

1831
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 1: What were the questions you said you wanted to ask

1832
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: us when I said I was gonna tell you a

1833
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 1: story later.

1834
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna talk to you about it later. But

1835
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 5: what I'm not gonna say it you can ask me

1836
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 5: a question.

1837
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:30,600
Speaker 6: Maybe started to play warmer and colder. I gotta standoff, start.

1838
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: Like who's gonna gave first? That's a question. Standoff? Now

1839
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: did your life change through all this stuff of like

1840
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: of Barstool getting sold to a casino and then the

1841
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: casino giving it back. Did this change your life at all?

1842
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 5: No? At first I was scared because Penn owned a

1843
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 5: hundred percent of it, you know, for a second before

1844
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 5: they get it give it back to him for a dollar.

1845
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 5: That's when I got nervous. Dave bought it back for Yeah,

1846
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 5: So that's that's when I was nervous.

1847
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 1: Anybody can read it. You don't need to. It's not

1848
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: gonna change your life.

1849
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 5: They just, you know, we were more of a corporation.

1850
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 5: They were going to you know, insurance, and I was

1851
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 5: a bigger brand with sponsors, so.

1852
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 1: They have insurance before that we did.

1853
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe they're I'm insured probably right, oh

1854
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 5: that stuff. I have health insurance. So I'm saying like

1855
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 5: they were scared that somebody who's gonna get shot on

1856
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:28,520
Speaker 5: a shoe.

1857
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:30,879
Speaker 1: Oh that kind of insurance. But I like your company

1858
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 1: had an insurance.

1859
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, just like liability. Yeah, but

1860
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 5: it's hard. I told him, like, I hunt every day,

1861
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 5: so you can't have somebody on site with me every day. Also,

1862
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,440
Speaker 5: you're gonna have somebody to tree stand with me because.

1863
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 1: You want to get an insurance. Man excited that, No,

1864
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: it's not the insurance man be like, dude, I've seen

1865
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 1: the numbers.

1866
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 3: I'm not going.

1867
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,719
Speaker 5: No, pen is great. But I think we're all pretty happy, Daves.

1868
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 5: We're all happy Dave's has.

1869
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 1: So do you find all stuff just by reading the news?

1870
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, that happened.

1871
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 5: No, we have like meetings, but sometimes yeah, I'm like whoa, Like, no,

1872
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 5: we got it all figured out. Everybody talks to one another,

1873
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 5: which is nice.

1874
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. How how connected are you with the the The

1875
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 3: main office is in New York right.

1876
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 5: It's moved. Yeah, so there's like two main ones now,

1877
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 5: so Chicago and New York. So so some people are

1878
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 5: there Dave's. I don't know what Dave's plan is. I

1879
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 5: think he's still in Miami. And then Big Cat and

1880
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 5: some of the other guys just went to Chicago. So

1881
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 5: we've got a big Chicago office and I'm still connected.

1882
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 5: But this time of the year, I'm not really in

1883
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,799
Speaker 5: the office. I'd rather be out hunting and filming.

1884
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't. So when you're in the office, you're

1885
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:47,679
Speaker 3: in the Chicago Yeah.

1886
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1887
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 4: How many people work there?

1888
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 5: Oh jeez, I think we have like three hundred employees.

1889
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: Now, whose studio is better? The studio Space podcast.

1890
01:33:58,439 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 5: Don't ask that I'm in the Chicago off.

1891
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:01,799
Speaker 1: This is just like way better than the studio.

1892
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 5: I haven't been in any of the studios yet because

1893
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 5: it just opened.

1894
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: Let's Phil be the judge of this.

1895
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 5: But the Chicago office is gonna badass. Maybe we got

1896
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 5: a full court basketball.

1897
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 1: Court and I'm talking about the studio.

1898
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 5: Probably part of my take is probably going to be

1899
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 5: the best.

1900
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I was recently in some real I was

1901
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 1: recently in some really fancy studios. Yeah, they had a muscos.

1902
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 3: They got a buffalo and the buffalo shot in the

1903
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 3: head with the bull?

1904
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:30,759
Speaker 5: Is that no blackbird?

1905
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,679
Speaker 1: A couple of k They got a squirrel bottle heater?

1906
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 3: What about the leather.

1907
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:40,639
Speaker 5: Studio?

1908
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: This is the best happened. We recently had a wake

1909
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 1: up call. I think I told you about this earlier.

1910
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: We went to some fancy studios and and and Phil

1911
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 1: felt like he was getting studio shamed. Oh no, remember that, Phil.

1912
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 3: I mean I I wasn't mad. It was a very

1913
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 3: comfortable experience, but.

1914
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 1: Then later confided me that some of those studios weren't

1915
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: all that. Oh well, I mean, the spaces themselves are

1916
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: are spectacular, but the microphones just.

1917
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 5: The coffin.

1918
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: I'll say this isn't in Phil's words, but some of

1919
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: these studios were all hat no cattle, the cattle being

1920
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 1: the mic, wouldn't you say, Phil.

1921
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah's a good way to put it.

1922
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 5: Exactly, how damn good mics.

1923
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 1: I seem like he spit a big dip stream out.

1924
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 2: I think my seats.

1925
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: He still walked in and said, so, uh, what's the

1926
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 1: Some of the stuff we were talking about, some of

1927
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: the stuff you'd like to do that you'd like to

1928
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 1: do in the future, like trips you'd like to go on.

1929
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 1: You mentioned how you kind of have a sort of

1930
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:47,759
Speaker 1: an interest in South America.

1931
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I've been to South America, so I've already like,

1932
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 5: oh you.

1933
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: Know, no, it was not that you brought up fishing doratto. Ye, Yeah,

1934
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 1: that's interesting.

1935
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 5: I would like to do that.

1936
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: What else is interesting?

1937
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,799
Speaker 5: Neil Guy talked about shooting Neil Guy down in Texas

1938
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 5: to you guys know what Neil Guy is? Yeah, I

1939
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 5: think just a story about Neil guys.

1940
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 3: Is really interesting down here.

1941
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 1: Oh there, just hold it up.

1942
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 5: So if you don't know, if you're listening to what

1943
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,640
Speaker 5: a Neil Guy is, go google it. It's really cool.

1944
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 1: And tell him none of that. Just go to YouTube

1945
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: and look at what right now, Yeah, it came like

1946
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: that we skinned it and that was under the meat.

1947
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 5: No, kid, that's a nice We're all surprised you shoot that.

1948
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 1: That's a deadhead.

1949
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 5: Oh it is nice one.

1950
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 1: Well, I shot a nice one.

1951
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 3: I did.

1952
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,719
Speaker 1: I accidentally got a nice one. You don't to accidentally

1953
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 1: get a nice something.

1954
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're like, oh, this is good, but you get it.

1955
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 1: And there was like holy shit, and I'm like, oh

1956
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: the great.

1957
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 5: But this is a story, you know, like COO's deer

1958
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 5: anark Hello, Couzier would love to kill a coups deer.

1959
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 5: My dad and his buddy went to Mexico to shoot

1960
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 5: COO's deer and his buddy shot his first cous deer.

1961
01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 5: It was like one hundred and twenty inches.

1962
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: You got to ask.

1963
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 5: And he's like my dad was, you know, like holy

1964
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,679
Speaker 5: everybody's oh my gosh. And he's like, oh is this good?

1965
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1966
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 1: Accidentally get the big one. Yeah, I accidentally got so

1967
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 1: I got a nice one. That's a nice one that

1968
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:15,480
Speaker 1: was found as a deadhead.

1969
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 5: That's a nice one, yea.

1970
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: I have my other one, My my other accidental nice

1971
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 1: one is at my house. But if you want to

1972
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: go hunting Couzier, you can come hunting COOZI you with thoughts.

1973
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: We go in January. You can't come this January, but

1974
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 1: next January. Next January, I'm serious, We're at we go

1975
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:29,599
Speaker 1: to Sonora.

1976
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 5: Okay, I would love to. I've never killed one. I

1977
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 5: really want to.

1978
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: Don't shoot a big one.

1979
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 5: I'll try not to, don't accidentally.

1980
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 1: Probably won't even know.

1981
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 5: You're gonna be like.

1982
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 6: We just tell you like that is huge and if

1983
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 6: you don't measure it, you'll never know.

1984
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 1: Okay, scenario, it will just be like they told me

1985
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 1: it was giant. All right, they told me it was

1986
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 1: a giant. Nokay, what other? What other kind of dream

1987
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 1: things like cool trips?

1988
01:37:55,040 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 5: You want to do a grizzly bear. I haven't killed

1989
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 5: an elk. I need to kill an elk. I don't know.

1990
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:07,600
Speaker 5: There's a lot. Probably I don't know if I have

1991
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 5: a desire to kill a sheep or not. A caribou

1992
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 5: would be cool. I think I just need to start

1993
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 5: out west thone. Do like the smaller things like the coos,

1994
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 5: and not smaller, but the kousier, the elk. Have you

1995
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 5: done it never done anything in Alaska like a blacktail.

1996
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I like to do that.

1997
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:29,599
Speaker 5: I just would love to just kill a grizzly too.

1998
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 5: I think I would be really nervous. I had a

1999
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 5: black bear climb a tree with me when I was younger.

2000
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 5: Scared me. Use I think I'll be really nervous to

2001
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 5: see grizzly up close. But I really want to do

2002
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 5: that and with my bow.

2003
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:41,799
Speaker 4: Didn't your dad spear grizzly?

2004
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I took him like like ten trips or something.

2005
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 5: It was a lot. It was hard. You know, you

2006
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 5: got to get it right under you.

2007
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 4: I can't imagine that.

2008
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would freak out.

2009
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's an alpha dog. I was gonna ask

2010
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: you a bunch of stuff. But he spared a wolf,

2011
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 1: but he's.

2012
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 5: Not I would like to kill a wolf. Oh, I

2013
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 5: don't know if he's ner.

2014
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: Dad speared himself.

2015
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 5: He spared himself. Yeah.

2016
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 1: Do you mind talking about that for it?

2017
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,719
Speaker 5: Yeah? I can talk about that. So with the spear,

2018
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 5: he's always really good at making sure I mean that

2019
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 5: those things are you know this, this like this, and

2020
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 5: it's super sharp. You know, he goes right through an

2021
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 5: animal right when they're underneath you. Die instantly, super deadly

2022
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:25,560
Speaker 5: with him. When he keeps it in his tree, he

2023
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 5: always make sure it's somewhere safe. Maybe gets out, it's

2024
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 5: not gonna fall. Well, he wasn't thinking. He just climbed

2025
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 5: up this tree in Africa. He dropped a GoPro. Well,

2026
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 5: in Africa, they have really good sense and they're really smart.

2027
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 5: So he didn't want to keep that on the ground,

2028
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 5: so we jumped out of the tree. When he did,

2029
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 5: he shook the tree and it went right through hit

2030
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 5: his ball cap, went right through his leg. You talked

2031
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 5: about the tourniquet earlier. He took off his pants, put

2032
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 5: his belt, made a tourniquet, and he barely missed his

2033
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 5: memoral artery. Lay there for six hours, his water and

2034
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:00,679
Speaker 5: his walkie talkie. You were up there. He made sure

2035
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 5: that he stayed conscious. He didn't want to go He felt

2036
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 5: his body going into shock, so he didn't want to

2037
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:06,679
Speaker 5: go in too shock because if he went in shock

2038
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 5: could have been deadly obviously, and then he's in Africa.

2039
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 5: You don't know what's going to come around. Smell of

2040
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 5: blood and he's just wounded. Yeah, So he stayed there

2041
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 5: for six hours and he ended up pulling the spear

2042
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 5: out of his leg, but they found him. He went

2043
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 5: and got stitched up. He didn't have surgery or anything,

2044
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 5: but they gave him the really really like potent antibiotics.

2045
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 5: It's illegal in the States, but in Africa was not,

2046
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:34,600
Speaker 5: so they gave him these antibi biotics. And when he

2047
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 5: got back to the States, the doctor told him that

2048
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 5: it's he's lucky that he got those antibiotics because they

2049
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:47,000
Speaker 5: pretty much killed everything and saved his leg. Yeah, infection,

2050
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 5: I mean he killed a bunch of animals with it

2051
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:52,679
Speaker 5: and antibiotics and the antibiotics and the States probably wouldn't

2052
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 5: have been as strong and he could have just lost

2053
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 5: his leg from infection.

2054
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

2055
01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought of the thing I was gonna

2056
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna make the thing I was gonna tell

2057
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 1: you an interesting thing, And then I remember that the

2058
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 1: person that told me made me swear not to tell anybody.

2059
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Got it?

2060
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 5: All right, Well, we can talk about that off camera,

2061
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 5: but no, the spear like, I mean, yeah, he spares

2062
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 5: a lot of things, and he's really good at keep

2063
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 5: making sure. I spirited a black bear when I was

2064
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 5: younger in Canada too, so we're always making sure it's

2065
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 5: safe because those dang spears, I mean their deadly goes

2066
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 5: on an animal and instantly. That's the one thing that's

2067
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,599
Speaker 5: great about them is it didn't.

2068
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 3: They killed quick.

2069
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 1: So you killed one with a spear? Is it a

2070
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:34,600
Speaker 1: weighted spear? Like?

2071
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 5: What do you mean?

2072
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: Like is the shaft weighted? Is this shaft like got

2073
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 1: lead or embedded?

2074
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 5: And you would know he would know more, but I don't.

2075
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 5: I don't know, to be honest, I don't know the

2076
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 5: whole Diana dynamic of the spirit.

2077
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 1: There's a really I don't want to say it's good.

2078
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 1: There's a documentary and I don't want to say it's

2079
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:55,959
Speaker 1: a great documentary because it's just it covers something interesting,

2080
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 1: but it doesn't cover it in the in a perfect way.

2081
01:41:58,120 --> 01:42:03,839
Speaker 1: But it covers these Indo Nesian harpooners that they still

2082
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 1: they still fish dolphin. I don't mean like mahi mahi,

2083
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 1: but like porpoises. Man arrays sperm whales with harpoons and

2084
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 1: they don't use a harpoon gun, and they don't use

2085
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 1: a weighted harpoon. That harpooner goes overboard with that harpoon. No,

2086
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 1: he's up on the bow. I mean there's a ton

2087
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:31,639
Speaker 1: of on the bow and when they get on that whale,

2088
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 1: that dude drives, that dude lands with the spear to

2089
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 1: land and place the spear.

2090
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 5: On.

2091
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 1: He's in on the whale. That's another power play. And

2092
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 1: these guys like they're they are whalers and they try.

2093
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 1: The movie has this sort of like a little bit

2094
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 1: of a tenuous It has this sort of tenuous environmental

2095
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 1: messages that I wasn't totally I need to spend more

2096
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:07,200
Speaker 1: time on because it was basically this culture hadn't practiced

2097
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:12,640
Speaker 1: sustainable fishing practices and had like destroyed their fishery and

2098
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:20,600
Speaker 1: that drove them to being marine mammal hunters. And I

2099
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: a little bit questioned that because that's a tremendous amount

2100
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 1: of know how. Yeah, and I just couldn't picture that

2101
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: that's really that this wasn't more of an ancestral behavior.

2102
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to pick up that in the

2103
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: modern era, someone like sort of crafted this harpooning culture

2104
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 1: because the fishery, I just like, you know, I don't

2105
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 1: know that that's right or wrong, and I'm sure eight people

2106
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 1: are write in and set me straight on it. But

2107
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 1: he lays that out, and I remember a little bit

2108
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 1: thinking like I need to spend more time on that.

2109
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 5: Well, we all have that in our like our blood instinctually,

2110
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 5: like hunting, whether you're a hunter or not. If I

2111
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 5: don't know if you agree with that, sure, yeah.

2112
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 1: When I'm sitting there and jigging hal a bit and

2113
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 1: in a humpback comes by. No. No, I never do,

2114
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 1: but I always comment on it you think about doing it,

2115
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 1: I'll say to my kids, can you just imagine? Because

2116
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 1: we carry a harpoon for landing. You know, it's basically

2117
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 1: like a you're basically gaffing. You're gaffing of fishes on

2118
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 1: a hook, but it's just you just deliver the gaff

2119
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 1: with a harpoon chef. If it's not like, you're not

2120
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 1: like harpooning it, you're like, what do you call it?

2121
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 1: Just like a togglehead that comes off a harpoon chef,

2122
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 1: so you just poke it. Yeah. Anyhow, I'll always always

2123
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 1: comment to my kids, can you imagine sticking up? It's

2124
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: crazy and then just going for a ride.

2125
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 3: You need a bigger skiff.

2126
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:52,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I would never do it, but it always like

2127
01:44:52,640 --> 01:45:00,720
Speaker 1: something deep in me, something deep, some evil, deep thing

2128
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:03,559
Speaker 1: in me wonders about what would be like to just.

2129
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:04,559
Speaker 3: To, but you.

2130
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 2: Don't care if it's evil.

2131
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:12,799
Speaker 1: I can't even finish the sentence.

2132
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 2: Maybe it is evil, you hear me, I keep going

2133
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 2: just to.

2134
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: Can you imagine just one time Sidney Phil's throwing up

2135
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 1: a sign and says three minutes.

2136
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 3: You know, I was trying to keep that on the download.

2137
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:35,839
Speaker 3: That's why I held up a sign without saying.

2138
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 1: Tell people, Tell people, tell people how to find you?

2139
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 5: Okay, you can find me all over social media. You

2140
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 5: can spell my name s Y D N.

2141
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,719
Speaker 1: I E, which is how you spell it, which is how.

2142
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:51,799
Speaker 5: I spell it, spell it right, Sidney Wells or anywhere

2143
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 5: on barcelwell Doors, so YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, all the above.

2144
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, man, Thanks for having me today.

2145
01:45:58,760 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 5: It was a good day.

2146
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 1: About duck hunting.

2147
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:02,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and now we're going back to Illinois.

2148
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 1: So well, I'm not you are well?

2149
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:05,080
Speaker 5: I am?

2150
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2151
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:06,800
Speaker 5: Hopefully you can see me with the big old buck.

2152
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 1: Yep, and we both al big thanks to Brady Davis

2153
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 1: from Flying V the best. I had a great time

2154
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 1: basically telling us where to point and.

2155
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:16,680
Speaker 5: Shoot and clean it up, clean it up.

2156
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:18,240
Speaker 1: And he's still going to go clean up.

2157
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2158
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: We didn't even big our own decoys up.

2159
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I did kind of help set him out.

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01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 5: I was talking about I mean you said that. I

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01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 5: was talking about, like, you know, our bird clean up

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01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 5: when we're missing, and he's just like, don't guys, I

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01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 5: got this gage.

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Speaker 1: I think I meant the fact that he now has

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Speaker 1: to go and like pick up empty shells and decoys.

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01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:36,599
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, we were on a bit of a time.

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Speaker 1: He's very time conscious. Dane and I are headed back

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Speaker 1: to go pick up the spread all his other attributes,

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01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 1: and he's time conscious.

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01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 4: Yea, such a good great guy.

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01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 1: Gets you where, get you your dogs, gets you where

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Speaker 1: you need to be at noon. You gotta be on

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01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 1: time in life.

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01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:49,760
Speaker 3: Yep, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everybody.

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Speaker 8: On the seal, Ray shine like silver in the sun.

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Speaker 1: Ride Ride, Ride on along, sweetheart.

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01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 8: Were done beat this damn horse to death. Taking a

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01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:26,760
Speaker 8: new one.

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01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:29,600
Speaker 1: Ride.

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01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:37,080
Speaker 8: We're done beat this damn horse today, So take a

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Speaker 8: new one and ride on.