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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight. From Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, Welcome back to Coast to Coast, George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Mike roth Miller with us. Served for ten years with

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Speaker 2: the LA Police Department, including five years as a deep

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Speaker 2: undercover detective with the Organized Crime Intelligence Division. He is

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Speaker 2: the author of numerous books. His first LA Secret Police,

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Speaker 2: Inside the Elite LAPD Spy Network, was a New York

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Speaker 2: Times bestseller. Alongside his dedication to public service, Mike has

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Speaker 2: established a media career, producing television documentaries and working as

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Speaker 2: a correspondent and presenter for major networks and a number

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Speaker 2: of channels. Here he is on Coast to Coast Mike,

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Speaker 2: welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Good to be here. How have you been, sir, I've

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Speaker 3: been fined in yourself excellent.

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Speaker 2: Tell me how an incredible former LA Police detective got

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Speaker 2: involved writing true stories of the paranormal and the explain.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's different. I'll tell you. Actually when it started.

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Speaker 3: I was producing television documentaries in the early nineties and

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Speaker 3: I met a former Air Force general who flew in Korea,

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Speaker 3: and then he told me about some of the unusual

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Speaker 3: occurrences he had flying objects that he saw and objects

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Speaker 3: that came near him, like build Foo fighters from World

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Speaker 3: War Two. So we started looking into it, and I

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Speaker 3: started making a lot of contacts through military personnel that

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Speaker 3: I knew to high ranking pilots from all the different

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Speaker 3: branches and commercial airlines, and that can me looking at UFOs.

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Speaker 3: And as time went by, I said, well, okay, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to start looking at some other things. And what

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Speaker 3: I mean by that is not just talking to people,

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Speaker 3: but seeing what evidence there may be, you know, basing

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Speaker 3: it looking through a detective's eyes, and so about unless

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Speaker 3: you close. Two and a half three years ago now,

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Speaker 3: when I was doing another book, I decided to start

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Speaker 3: looking for stories of UFOs prior to the invention of

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Speaker 3: the aircraft and prior to radio television, because I wanted

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Speaker 3: to see what people were saying about these objects then,

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Speaker 3: or if they were being reported. So probably within the

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Speaker 3: first day of research, I came across a number of

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Speaker 3: stories from newspapers in the eighteen fifties, eighteen eighties and

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Speaker 3: prior to that, talking about airships. And when I got

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Speaker 3: into the stories, I realized they're talking about UFOs because

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Speaker 3: they didn't know what they were. They had no idea

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Speaker 3: what an airplane was and these giant things they saw

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Speaker 3: flying in the sky, high speed, hovering, so forth, and

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Speaker 3: they just started calling them airships, and so I thought

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Speaker 3: that was quite interesting. So I kept pulling those stories,

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Speaker 3: kept finding him. Then I said, well, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: expand this now because of an incident that I had

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Speaker 3: on the mid seventies with a guy who was a

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Speaker 3: documentary television producer. We found some huge footprints way above

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Speaker 3: the timberline up in the eastern Sierra in a snowbank,

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Speaker 3: and we looked at it and we said, wait a minute.

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Speaker 3: The footprint was twice the size of my foot length,

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Speaker 3: and with the stride was about twice my stride going

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Speaker 3: through snow, and we're at about eleven thousand feet. No trails,

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Speaker 3: no nothing up there. We just were heading up over

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Speaker 3: a ridgeline. And so we were talking, so, what in

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Speaker 3: the world could have made this mountain lion not a bear?

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Speaker 3: And what turned us to said, well, you know, we've

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Speaker 3: heard a lot of stories about bigfoot and so forth.

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Speaker 3: It's the only thing that made sense. Or it was

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Speaker 3: a seven foot person up there running around barefoot, which

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Speaker 3: wasn't the case. So when I started doing research for

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Speaker 3: this book. I started looking for things along that line. Bigfoot. Well,

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Speaker 3: as you know, Bigfoot wasn't that term wasn't really used

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Speaker 3: until several years back, and I started finding stories from

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Speaker 3: around the world talking about a wild hairy man. And

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Speaker 3: the way that the wild hairy man has always described

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Speaker 3: very muscular built, covered with hair, eight a lot of

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Speaker 3: apish type arms, and a conical head. And they were

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Speaker 3: showing up everywhere in the US, Australia, the Himalayas. They

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Speaker 3: all had different names, but it was the same description

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Speaker 3: time after time, and I just I was dumbfounded by

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Speaker 3: these stories I was finding. So then I just expanded

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Speaker 3: it into well, I'm going to look up ghosts and apparitions,

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Speaker 3: start finding a lot of stories on that. Hauntings, giants.

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Speaker 3: Another one that was fairly interesting is sea serpents. I

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Speaker 3: seventeen hundreds with the British Admiralty and found stories of

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Speaker 3: captains and admirals that were out and you know, the

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Speaker 3: They knew Wales, they knew seals, they knew everything that

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Speaker 3: was out there and these large, large creatures would come

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Speaker 3: describe them, and all of them pretty much described the

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Speaker 3: same thing. Over a period of one hundred years, they'd

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but they certainly didn't see whale. And

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Speaker 3: they would report back to the Admiralty of their sightings.

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Speaker 3: And what's interesting about that is a sea captain in

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Speaker 3: the British Navy then was pretty much like a pilot,

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Speaker 3: a commercial pilot or military pilot during the fifties. If

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Speaker 3: you saw something strange and bizarre flung, you were grounded,

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Speaker 3: so you kept it quiet. Same thing with the sea

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Speaker 3: captains that they would pull them off the ship and

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Speaker 3: they would never command another ship because the ship was

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Speaker 3: too valuable. So you have to put a lot of

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Speaker 3: credibility into the stories that these people are saying because

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Speaker 3: no office into internet, and yet they were telling these stories.

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Speaker 3: And the people that are in the stories, they're identified.

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Speaker 3: Some of them were the UFOs are professors at colleges

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Speaker 3: they're police military people. They were seen flying over Stanford

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Speaker 3: University in the Golden Gate Bridge, and this is in

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Speaker 3: the late eighteen hundreds, and they described them as large

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Speaker 3: cigar shaped craft in the sky. Airships again, they'd say,

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Speaker 3: and they would say, they'd move at high speed from

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Speaker 3: horizon horizon. Sometimes they're going very slow. Sometimes they would

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Speaker 3: just hover in one place, making no sounds, no exhaust,

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Speaker 3: no anything. So when you start looking at that and

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Speaker 3: know what has come out publicly and say the last

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Speaker 3: forty years with them worldwide in the US about UFOs,

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Speaker 3: immediately made me look at this said, wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: wait a minute, this is too interesting not to do

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Speaker 3: a book on.

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Speaker 2: Good for you.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: These newspapers of the day, some of which still exists today,

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Speaker 2: took these stories pretty darn seriously, Michael didn't.

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Speaker 3: I oh, absolutely. There were a couple of stories I

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Speaker 3: included where the reporter was basically mocking the people said,

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Speaker 3: and it's so it's funny when you read it, matter says, oh,

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Speaker 3: this is crazy. There's nothing that can fly in the

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Speaker 3: skies that the bird and the kite. You know that

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Speaker 3: was it just talk about a machine flying in the

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Speaker 3: Sky's just crazy talk. But the vast majority of the stories.

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Speaker 3: They took it very very seriously, and it was reported

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Speaker 3: in that fashion, and when you read them a whole

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Speaker 3: series of them, you start to realize over a period

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Speaker 3: of years that it was very unusual they reported these

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Speaker 3: things across the country. Yet it wasn't sensationalized like some

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Speaker 3: In some cases they said, well, there's another bright ball

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Speaker 3: of light speeding across the sky, and then they would

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Speaker 3: go on say it's not of comment, it's not a meteor,

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Speaker 3: and because it would stop and they go the other way,

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Speaker 3: And so it really makes you wonder how long, for

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Speaker 3: a better term, UFOs have been around. Obviously they go

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Speaker 3: back many many years, hundreds of years, because they're in

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Speaker 3: paintings and so forth, ancient paintings, and it takes it

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Speaker 3: takes away some of the suspense that, gee, this is

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Speaker 3: all something new. Now, it's not new. It's been around

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Speaker 3: for a long time and it's been reported for a

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Speaker 3: long time. Except the vast majority of peace people do

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Speaker 3: not realize that.

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Speaker 2: How do you think law enforcement at the time, it

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Speaker 2: was probably the local sheriff's department, How did they handle it?

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Speaker 3: They was interesting there. Several times I came across stories

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Speaker 3: where it was the local police or the sheriff. They

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Speaker 3: would see the object flying and they describe it as

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Speaker 3: extremely large, a cigar shape, so forth, and they would

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Speaker 3: follow it as far as they could, or they would

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Speaker 3: go up to In San Francisco, it's one particularly, they

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Speaker 3: had an unstructed view and they would watch it for

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Speaker 3: a long time as it just crisscrossed across the sky

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Speaker 3: and then took off, and then it would come back

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Speaker 3: the next day, the next night it was there again,

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Speaker 3: or during the day, and so they took it seriously.

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Speaker 3: And I think Partner was too that they had no

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Speaker 3: nobody had ever heard of an airplane.

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Speaker 2: They had no reference.

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Speaker 3: God, no, it wasn't invented. So they're just going, well,

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Speaker 3: it's as big as a ship, and so it's an airship.

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Speaker 3: But the people in the stories, the fast vast majority

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Speaker 3: of them are named, and they go into it say

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Speaker 3: and they go on like that and they're not mocking them,

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Speaker 3: they're not trying to blow it off as just being nuts,

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Speaker 3: and they just lay it out and it's very matter

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Speaker 3: of fact that this is what happened, and it's not

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Speaker 3: the first time they're going to it. And I have

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Speaker 3: stories in there where they were going across several states.

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Speaker 3: It would be seen, for instance, in Chicago a few

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Speaker 3: hours later, it would be over Detroit a few hours later,

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Speaker 3: from state to state. So it's just it's quite remarkable,

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Speaker 3: in eye opening when you read the stories from over

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Speaker 3: one hundred years ago.

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Speaker 2: You call your book True Stories of the Paranormal and

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Speaker 2: Unexplained Volume one, right, that tells me there's another one coming.

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Speaker 3: There is that will be out August one.

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Speaker 2: Good for you. Was it difficult finding the stories?

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Speaker 3: Not as difficult as I thought it would be, because

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Speaker 3: quite frankly, I didn't think there'd be a lot of stories,

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Speaker 3: you know, a few maybe on apparitions or hauntings. But

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Speaker 3: I came across so many stories on UFOs and on

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Speaker 3: the Wild Hairy Man Bigfoot. I was just astounded by it.

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Speaker 3: I could not include all of them in two books.

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Speaker 3: That are about three to four hundred pages long. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there were just so many of them, and as I mentioned,

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Speaker 3: poor they were from all over the world, from a

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Speaker 3: lot from Australia, New Zealand, obviously Canada, the US, some

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Speaker 3: from Mexico, some from South America, and then some interesting

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Speaker 3: stories that came out of Africa.

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