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Speaker 4: All right, so let's talk Cowboys. Let's talk with injuries.
Speaker 6: Yesterday, we find out after some talk that we've been
Speaker 6: having throughout the week, Amber, I think somebody's been listening
Speaker 6: to you, and decision was made. This specion was made
Speaker 6: that is time to shut it down for mister Cede
Speaker 6: Lamb and he's done for the year. And I was
Speaker 6: I thought it was interesting the way that they phrased it,
Speaker 6: which was basically, after kind of reviewing whatever they review,
Speaker 6: they felt like this point, it was at a point
Speaker 6: where they he doesn't need to play anymore because that
Speaker 6: there could be more damage.
Speaker 3: That the MRIs were getting worse.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so it's like the yeah, and so at
Speaker 6: that point it was like, Okay, let's just shut him down.
Speaker 6: Let's start rehabbing him. Doesn't look like it's going to
Speaker 6: need surgery, No it's not. But they're gonna start rehabbing
Speaker 6: him and see if they can get him back.
Speaker 4: Here's my question.
Speaker 6: Obviously this game doesn't matter, but to some degree it
Speaker 6: does give you some opportunity here to be able to
Speaker 6: look at your wide receiver corps. That being said, who
Speaker 6: do you think will be the starting wide receivers this
Speaker 6: weekend as Dallas heads to Philadelphia?
Speaker 3: You got an idea on that one? Ag I would say,
Speaker 3: I would say that you're probably looking at I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if this group you necessarily want to
Speaker 3: play a lot of eleven personnel and Dallas. Dallas has
Speaker 3: gone away from that. Dallas, and I went back and
Speaker 3: checked this because I was curious because I wasn't seeing
Speaker 3: it as much. And like in Atlanta week with Dak
Speaker 3: the last game he played, they were like ninety eleven
Speaker 3: personnel and now they're down into the like the sixties,
Speaker 3: which is the lowest that they've been playing eleven personnel
Speaker 3: last week against the Buccaneers. Every week they've gone less
Speaker 3: and less when we talk about eleven personnel, Jerry Madlan,
Speaker 3: I'm doing this for you.
Speaker 4: Uh, the one running back, one tight end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one running back, one tight end. So that's you know,
Speaker 3: with the wide receiver packages and stuff.
Speaker 6: Like real quick for everyone, just the way the easiest
Speaker 6: way to do it. The first number is number of
Speaker 6: running backs on the field. The second numbers and number
Speaker 6: tight ends on the field. You're going to have five
Speaker 6: skill players and so whatever's left is number wide receivers.
Speaker 3: There you go, there you go, thank you big well,
Speaker 3: well done.
Speaker 4: Jerry would be proud, Jould be found.
Speaker 3: Yeah, be a little bigger on set there a little bit.
Speaker 3: Be a little bigger if you can. But anyway, that's
Speaker 3: so they're playing a lot more with the twelve personnel,
Speaker 3: so with the two tight ends. So you know, and
Speaker 3: that's because I think because the emergence of Luke scoon
Speaker 3: Maker and then you know also to with Span FOURD,
Speaker 3: they're kind of getting him involved in some stuff. The
Speaker 3: running game has improved a little bit because of Rico Dadles,
Speaker 3: so you're trying to get a little bit more of
Speaker 3: a heavier package there. I I think that to me,
Speaker 3: when you play eleven personnel against the Eagles, you're playing
Speaker 3: right into their hands because they've got three quality corners.
Speaker 3: And so if Dallas comes out in say they come
Speaker 3: out in just the bass, let's just say their base.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surpried Brooks is
Speaker 3: practicing Tolbert Brooks. But how do you incorporate Turpin in there?
Speaker 3: You know, some way, somehow. We haven't really seen anything.
Speaker 3: If Mingo had shown you anything, maybe it would be
Speaker 3: a Brooks Mingo kind of a combination.
Speaker 7: But I think it's going to be he has shown
Speaker 7: you stuff, but.
Speaker 3: If you put a seventy number on it, you can
Speaker 3: show you and and and you know that's encouraging the guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, he goes out there and they ask him
Speaker 3: to do kind of the stuntman work, like okay, you
Speaker 3: know here bringing the stunt man and you know, okay,
Speaker 3: now go block somebody here and you get you know,
Speaker 3: blown up and that kind of stuff. But I just
Speaker 3: I don't know how much like eleven personnel you want
Speaker 3: to play against the Eagles because that's their go to defense.
Speaker 3: They feel they feel super comfortable playing. You've got three,
Speaker 3: and you've got three guys that are really good. When
Speaker 3: you start to talk about Slay Mitchell and Dejon Dejan,
Speaker 3: excuse me that they don't they just when you add
Speaker 3: it all up, they're like quarterbacks are like sixty percent
Speaker 3: against that, you know, completion percentage against those guys, so
Speaker 3: it's going to be a little bit tougher. I have
Speaker 3: a feeling both teams are going to get in a
Speaker 3: mode of and you asked the question of I think
Speaker 3: both teams are going to try and get in like
Speaker 3: some heavy personnel stuff and just see which team they
Speaker 3: have a clear advantage or running the ball. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's the numbers tell you that. But you know, Daddle
Speaker 3: had some success inside runs against these guys the last
Speaker 3: time they played, and they just couldn't stay with it.
Speaker 3: You know, they just didn't stay with it. And maybe
Speaker 3: now McCarthy's a little bit more committed because he's compromised.
Speaker 3: But to your question, Brooks and probably and probably Tolbert
Speaker 3: would be my guess.
Speaker 7: I think that's the best answer and the more but
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, I mean, and this is highly
Speaker 7: unlikely to see a lot of these three guys together,
Speaker 7: but a combination that would make it interesting for me
Speaker 7: to want to watch would be Cooks, Turpin and Mingo
Speaker 7: three of them. And just because Cooks, I've seen what
Speaker 7: he can do and I think he helps you in
Speaker 7: that way to maybe get some attention from the defense
Speaker 7: away from the other guys. And then Mingo. Like I said,
Speaker 7: I'm still curious. I think he's he's shown to have
Speaker 7: some talent, but you just you haven't been able to
Speaker 7: get the ball to him. So I want to see
Speaker 7: how that would look like if it's with the game plan, Like,
Speaker 7: if this is the game plan, we're gonna try to
Speaker 7: get you the ball and see if it actually comes
Speaker 7: to fruition. And then Turpin, he's still a guy that
Speaker 7: I mean, we've seen what he can do, but I
Speaker 7: don't think they've given him enough chances on offense just yet.
Speaker 7: And with his speed and the season that he's been
Speaker 7: having in those moments, I think I would be curious
Speaker 7: just to see how that would look like again with
Speaker 7: more intention in the game plan.
Speaker 3: So with that being said, do you think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be Cooks and do you think it's gonna be Cooks
Speaker 3: and Tober?
Speaker 7: I think it'll be Cooks and to Yeah, that's what
Speaker 7: makes the most sense.
Speaker 4: I think it will be.
Speaker 6: But I will say this, and here's here's where I'm
Speaker 6: going with this next question. I think the interesting part
Speaker 6: about this is you look at all five of the
Speaker 6: names I'm gonna give you, they all have something to
Speaker 6: gain by playing really well in these last two weeks.
Speaker 4: Sure, some of them are free agents.
Speaker 6: Some are hopeful that they can get an opportunity to
Speaker 6: maybe be a starter next year or to have a
Speaker 6: more prominent role.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: You know there's some like a Turpin that that this
Speaker 6: could he could look at this and be like, maybe
Speaker 6: I finally get the chance to prove I should be
Speaker 6: a wide receiver that's playing a lot more at wide receiver.
Speaker 6: I'm not just a return guy. I can actually change
Speaker 6: the game at wide receiver. You look at that, and
Speaker 6: I'm going to give you these five names. I want
Speaker 6: you guys to tell me who do you think has
Speaker 6: the greater opportunity this weekend? Tolbert Turpin, Flinoy Mingo or Cooks.
Speaker 6: Cooks will be a free agent this year, so he's
Speaker 6: trying to show the rest of the league you can
Speaker 6: still play.
Speaker 7: Your question is who has the great.
Speaker 6: Game, the most game this weekend if they get an
Speaker 6: opportunity to really be able to put themselves in a
Speaker 6: in a new light going into next year.
Speaker 7: I would say a guy for me would put because
Speaker 7: how old is Cooks right now?
Speaker 3: He's got to be Yeah, he's actually I don't think
Speaker 3: he's as old as you think he is. It's funny
Speaker 3: he's playing.
Speaker 7: Just looks mature.
Speaker 4: He just played for so many teams, just like you
Speaker 4: ass at all.
Speaker 3: But let me let me do this for you thirty one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, thank you, Chris. I think maybe and
Speaker 7: were we out on contracts again?
Speaker 4: I think Cooks is a free agent? Is Turping a
Speaker 4: free agent.
Speaker 2: This year.
Speaker 4: Or is it next year?
Speaker 3: Man? You're asking a lot of questions.
Speaker 4: Before asking these questions on there, I should have known this.
Speaker 7: Before because I think that that that affects the law
Speaker 7: of the answer.
Speaker 3: What what we What we know is that I think
Speaker 3: he's restricted. I think he could be thought it was
Speaker 3: something with him. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 6: It's not a free agent obviously, Mingo is not a
Speaker 6: free agent. And I don't mean think and I don't
Speaker 6: I don't think Brooks is either. I think all three
Speaker 6: of them still have another year or two.
Speaker 3: This is why this is why Cooks his last for me? Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I feel like you're probably gonna move on from Cooks.
Speaker 3: That would be that would be my That would be
Speaker 3: my guess.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: As far as the other I think the guy, the
Speaker 3: guy that has the most to gain the next two
Speaker 3: weeks is Mingo because they've got to they've got to
Speaker 3: try and get him the ball. I mean like in
Speaker 3: a legitimate way, not like a Okay, you run forty
Speaker 3: something plays and oh, here's the fifty to fifty ball
Speaker 3: you're throwing down the sidelines. Yeah, you know, try and
Speaker 3: get some things. See about the slants, see about the
Speaker 3: inbreaking routes. I don't know if you particularly want him
Speaker 3: doing a bunch of crossing stuff like that, but do
Speaker 3: the big body routes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the outs and.
Speaker 3: The slants and the ends and the things like that,
Speaker 3: and kind of see what you got, you know, with
Speaker 3: with with him as a player, I think that he
Speaker 3: has the most to gain. The problem is, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go once again, I'm going to go into this
Speaker 3: season about with Tolbert and I'm sorry. I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: a draft show for you, you know a lot of
Speaker 3: days is and I'm going to talk about a second
Speaker 3: wide receiver. I'm going to talk about drafted a kid
Speaker 3: from a burden from uh from Missouri. I'm going to
Speaker 3: talk about you know, in Buka from Ohio State. I'm
Speaker 3: going to talk about drafting a guy from one of
Speaker 3: these places. Because doubts I think needs a second wide receiver.
Speaker 6: And let me let me ask you this question. I
Speaker 6: would I want to see at this how you feel
Speaker 6: about this. Is there anything that any of these guys
Speaker 6: can do in the next two weeks that changes what
Speaker 6: you say when you bring up that.
Speaker 7: The number two not familiar questions here?
Speaker 4: Need it really well?
Speaker 6: They needed two weeks and you're still gonna be like,
Speaker 6: no matter what I see the next two weeks, I
Speaker 6: still need a not to You know.
Speaker 3: What this was when when we all got together and
Speaker 3: Ox start and we're watching practice every day and and
Speaker 3: talking about Tolbert, Tolbert, Tolbert, Tolbert Tolbert, and like, got
Speaker 3: someone's gotta someone's got to step up, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: somebody's got to be the second receiver. You know Cooks
Speaker 3: and Cooks got hurt and then it became Tolbert and
Speaker 3: you know, so no, it hasn't changed. They need a
Speaker 3: legitimate second receiver.
Speaker 4: No matter what happens here, matter, no matter, no matter,
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: And then the rest of these guys I think are
Speaker 3: playing now. Turpin's got some interesting traits about him that
Speaker 3: you know, can you use him in the slot? Can
Speaker 3: you use use him? You know, He's always going to
Speaker 3: be a special teams guy for you. But no, no Brooks,
Speaker 3: you know, Brooks, Tolbert, those guys. I'm going to draft
Speaker 3: somebody that's probably better than those two guys, and that's
Speaker 3: going to be the guy that I'm going to play
Speaker 3: next to. Ceed Lamb. I've learned my lesson, you know,
Speaker 3: I've I've I've waited now for Brooks now three years. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've always you know, I'm like, okay, this year, okay,
Speaker 3: this year, Okay, no, no, And I'm sorry it sounds harsh,
Speaker 3: but this team needs a legitimate second receiver. He makes,
Speaker 3: he makes occasionally, will make a play. You have to
Speaker 3: be better than one or two catches a game. You
Speaker 3: have to and he and right now he's not. And
Speaker 3: so that's that's kind of where I'm at with him.
Speaker 3: I'm okay with having him on the team, but I
Speaker 3: know in my heart, I got to do better there
Speaker 3: at the second receiver, and I think I can.
Speaker 7: I think and I totally agree with you having to
Speaker 7: draft another receiver.
Speaker 3: We've seen him.
Speaker 7: We've seen I mean this season, poor Cedie Lamb. At
Speaker 7: times he was the only one at times, you know,
Speaker 7: making the place he needs that kind of support on
Speaker 7: the offense. But I would say if there was somebody
Speaker 7: that had the most to gain, it could potentially be
Speaker 7: Brooks because even though I like Brooks a slightly better
Speaker 7: than Tolbert, I think the team, because of how they
Speaker 7: obtain them, the team has Tolbert ahead of Brooks. And
Speaker 7: when I'm trying to say, I could see potentially Tolber
Speaker 7: staying here just as depth not us.
Speaker 3: He signed guy he signed through twenty twenty five, so.
Speaker 4: He's got another year.
Speaker 7: I mean, you can cut people, be drastic, cut bye
Speaker 7: see you if you're not bringing anything to the table.
Speaker 7: But anyway, the point he's staying here. But Brooks he's
Speaker 7: an easier one that you could I could see him
Speaker 7: not being here next year, regardless of his contract not
Speaker 7: being over. So I think if he was to have
Speaker 7: a good game this weekend and they use him and
Speaker 7: he shines, I think the last taste in your mouth
Speaker 7: is what you're gonna remember the most. So I think
Speaker 7: I do see this two last game being crucial for
Speaker 7: guys like him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tolbert's done, not Tobert Turpin is done, so he
Speaker 3: is a free agent. Yeah, he's with you twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, three year deal.
Speaker 4: So he's a restriction free but he'll be tender.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll They'll have to tender him either first or
Speaker 3: second round. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well yeah, I think I think he has a great
Speaker 6: opportunity just because I think he has the probably the
Speaker 6: most ability of any of these guys to be able
Speaker 6: to really do something special. But I think beyond that,
Speaker 6: I would say Mingo is the guy because I look
Speaker 6: at it for Mingo and I think after being after
Speaker 6: being traded, like he's got something to prove. And you know,
Speaker 6: this is this thing about the NFL, like you get
Speaker 6: drafted by a team, don't really do much there, you
Speaker 6: get traded to another team. If he does nothing here,
Speaker 6: then the likelihood of him really getting his career going
Speaker 6: at some point is probably going to be really really
Speaker 6: But I.
Speaker 7: Feel like he has a little bit more of a
Speaker 7: grace period, yeah, because of the time that he got here,
Speaker 7: how he got here. So that's why I don't see
Speaker 7: these last two games as being like, oh my god.
Speaker 6: But it is an opportunity, is what I'm saying. And
Speaker 6: that was the question, Like the way I look at
Speaker 6: it is, here's an opportunity for him to show at
Speaker 6: least a spark, show us at least a flash where
Speaker 6: we're like, oh wow, that's okay, he's got a little something,
Speaker 6: because I think that carries over into next year. And
Speaker 6: as you know the question I asked Brian about the draft,
Speaker 6: I agree, I think you gotta draft somebody as your
Speaker 6: second wide receiver. But I do think if one of
Speaker 6: these guys really steps up these last two weeks, it
Speaker 6: gives you a little more hope that Okay, if we
Speaker 6: do move away from Cooks, we still feel good about
Speaker 6: the depth of our wide receiver group. Even if we
Speaker 6: draft a second wide receiver with CD Lamb and now
Speaker 6: we feel like this other guy's kind of stepping up
Speaker 6: a little bit more, we think we got a good
Speaker 6: crew here. If nobody steps up, then it's like, do
Speaker 6: you even have a third wide receiver?
Speaker 4: Do you even have nobody you can really rely on?
Speaker 6: Even if you draft some myset or you really need
Speaker 6: to rehaulve this whole room and other than Cede Lamb,
Speaker 6: you basically got to and you're gonna have Cavanti Turpin
Speaker 6: obviously because of what he brings on special teams, But
Speaker 6: do you need to revamp the whole room. At that point,
Speaker 6: I think it really is a critical time for these
Speaker 6: young guys to show something. All Right, we're gonna tell
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Speaker 7: and then this is not like an end of the
Speaker 7: year review play your evaluation type of thing would show.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But I'm gonna ask you in different areas of
Speaker 7: just a year evaluation of the team and just kind
Speaker 7: of how you would rank it currently at the moment.
Speaker 7: So we're gonna start with team chemistry. How would you
Speaker 7: say the team chemistry was this year overall?
Speaker 4: M That's a hard question.
Speaker 6: The reason why I say it's a hard question is
Speaker 6: because I think in a lot of ways, chemistry is
Speaker 6: driven by the leadership of the team, and I think
Speaker 6: by and large the leaders have been absent due to injury.
Speaker 6: I saw did you see Micah posted on Twitter or
Speaker 6: x the infamous picture of Will Smith from from the
Speaker 6: show he was on where he's standing there in a
Speaker 6: room by himself and and and Michael is just kind
Speaker 6: of like, yeah, that's kind of where I am at
Speaker 6: this point now that CD's going yeah, And it made
Speaker 6: me start thinking, like, what are the like you think
Speaker 6: about the leaders on this team, Dak, CD, Tank, even
Speaker 6: Micah for a little bit. Sure, if you want to
Speaker 6: call Trayvon one of those guys, he's one of those
Speaker 6: guys that is certainly one of the faces of this team.
Speaker 6: You look at all those guys. I'm sorry, Zach Martin.
Speaker 6: You look at all those guys, and they've been gone
Speaker 6: for significant amount of time this season. So when you
Speaker 6: ask me about chemistry, it's hard to know because the
Speaker 6: leaders weren't there to be the guys that were setting
Speaker 6: the example. I think the character of this team was
Speaker 6: really good, which maybe that's a part of the chemistry
Speaker 6: because the fact that halfway through the season most people
Speaker 6: wrote them off as done and the fact that they
Speaker 6: weren't actually eliminated until last week because they got on
Speaker 6: this winning streak, says the character is right, which you
Speaker 6: know that could factor into the chemistry, but it's just
Speaker 6: hard to say with chemistry just because the leadership wasn't there.
Speaker 3: No, he's absolutely right, and the character of this team.
Speaker 3: And but I've also said this, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if this is character or this is just guys realizing
Speaker 3: you you played with just a ton of young guys
Speaker 3: that are not established. They kept playing, but they that's
Speaker 3: their character that they you know, they're They're not Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 3: they're not Micah Parsons, they're not Dak Prescott, They're not
Speaker 3: you know, Tank Lawrence. When it comes to the compensation,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of guys showed really really high character.
Speaker 3: But I think they showed they showed that like that
Speaker 3: when you when you have when you can, when you
Speaker 3: have to call on them, they were able to answer
Speaker 3: the bell. I think that says a lot about them.
Speaker 3: I think that maybe you can apply that to the chemistry,
Speaker 3: that that the players that they got together are high character,
Speaker 3: they fit together, they're gonna play hard, They're gonna try
Speaker 3: and do what's asked of them. Initially, I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: the chemistry on defense wasn't very good. I don't think
Speaker 3: it was. I don't think they they I don't think
Speaker 3: the buy in of Mike Zimmer with the who was
Speaker 3: currently playing defense for this team. I don't think there
Speaker 3: was a real and I use the word buy in,
Speaker 3: but I don't think Mike them taught it fast enough
Speaker 3: or well enough. And I don't think the players they
Speaker 3: were all feeling sorry for themselves because of Dan Quinn.
Speaker 3: They're all, you know, And this is just my observation,
Speaker 3: not it's not anything in the locker room or anybody
Speaker 3: telling me anything. I'm just thinking that you got off
Speaker 3: to such a bad start on defense, and there are
Speaker 3: probably some players that are like, oh damn, we gotta
Speaker 3: do this, and this guy that he wants to do this,
Speaker 3: I don't understand. I don't understand. And you know, you
Speaker 3: got guys that were brought on here, like and I'm
Speaker 3: sure that Eric Kendricks, you know, he was brought on
Speaker 3: because he'd played in the system and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: so you know, but there came a point in time
Speaker 3: too where maybe Eric Kendricks was you know, maybe he
Speaker 3: was just the one guy saying, hey, come on, man,
Speaker 3: we could you know, you gotta you gotta buy in.
Speaker 3: You gotta do this, you gotta and then they all
Speaker 3: kind of figured out that well, damn, maybe Zim knows
Speaker 3: what he's talking about. So the chemistry of Zimmer and
Speaker 3: the defense initially f where it is now C plus B,
Speaker 3: you know, because they're all kind of they're playing at
Speaker 3: a better level without some of the guys who were
Speaker 3: leaders that Derek brought up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, so you guys list a whole bunch of
Speaker 7: players that have been out due to injuries. How would
Speaker 7: you rate the player growth overall player growth as far
Speaker 7: as like all these younger players have had to step
Speaker 7: in and step up.
Speaker 3: Wide receivers and very poor. That's an area. Offensive line
Speaker 3: I think has been good. Tight End room I think
Speaker 3: got better. You know, quarterback is that's a that's a
Speaker 3: veteran group, with the exception Trey Lance is not going
Speaker 3: to play. So we start to tell Cooper Rush. I
Speaker 3: think Cooper Rush did the best he could in the situation.
Speaker 4: I'll give you another one.
Speaker 6: They got better linebackers, Yeah, I think those young linebackers,
Speaker 6: I think they ascended.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the young linebackers got better. I think if you
Speaker 3: what what do you want to say about Rico Daddle?
Speaker 3: I think he got better. I think initially that when
Speaker 3: they when they just said, well, let's try and have
Speaker 3: a you know, a two two horse rushing attack here
Speaker 3: with you know, and then they realized that, wait, Zeke
Speaker 3: can't get this done. And then Hunter Lipke, you know,
Speaker 3: they they didn't hand the ball to Hunter Lipkey anymore.
Speaker 3: And then you know, duce Faughn is douce fan And
Speaker 3: I mean that in no disrespect. I mean that duce
Speaker 3: Vaughn is. They can't find a role for Douce Faughn.
Speaker 3: So he didn't get better because they can't find a
Speaker 3: role for me. But the but rico'dowdell got better, I
Speaker 3: think because he stayed healthy. You know, when Rico Dallas
Speaker 3: stays healthy, he's a better player. The secondary, I can't
Speaker 3: say you got better. He's never had your guys. You
Speaker 3: didn't have your veteran guys there, but your.
Speaker 6: Young Carson didn't yet, your young your young cornerbacks did
Speaker 6: not ambly, not not not.
Speaker 4: They didn't progress of them.
Speaker 3: Not at all. And I don't think the safety room
Speaker 3: I think kind of stayed the same. I think Wilson's
Speaker 3: a good player. I don't always trust Hooker, you know,
Speaker 3: playing but I think the offensive line, when you ask,
Speaker 3: they've gotten better running the ball in the for the
Speaker 3: last five games, They've given up not many pressures. They've
Speaker 3: done their job to try. If Dak was playing behind
Speaker 3: this line, this current line, you know it might there
Speaker 3: might be the offense might be even better. So I
Speaker 3: just think they're all the things I thought this wide
Speaker 3: receiver room was going to elevate. No, it's it went
Speaker 3: It went south, went south on me.
Speaker 6: To be honest with you, I think they continue to
Speaker 6: be who they've been with is they can make a
Speaker 6: play splash here or there, but buying large, none of
Speaker 6: them really stepped up and took.
Speaker 3: You got one guy. It really is and I shouldn't. Turpin,
Speaker 3: I think is when you asked Turpin, put him in
Speaker 3: the backfield, put him in the slot. You could do
Speaker 3: things with him. Is one of the most dynamic players
Speaker 3: in the league as a kick returner, you know, and
Speaker 3: the rules didn't really affect him all that much. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, he was able to bring a couple out. Heck,
Speaker 3: won a game for you there in Inlando.
Speaker 4: He might even be better with the new rules.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we kind of thought that the OTAs when
Speaker 3: I was at her watching him. You know, by the
Speaker 3: time he caught the ball and nobody moving, he was
Speaker 3: already about the thirty five yard line. Yeah, I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 3: this is gonna be interesting. The ball's gonna be at
Speaker 3: the fifty all the time. They let him run it back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 7: We have talked a lot about Baltiski.
Speaker 3: Real quick too. Do you think the defensive line got
Speaker 3: better with Mazie chance chance? Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't.
Speaker 4: Mean enough for that.
Speaker 6: That's actually honestly, that might besive line improved.
Speaker 4: I said, line probably improved the same one.
Speaker 3: Osa and and Mazzi and John C. Chauncey go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they stepped up when when we were all kind of
Speaker 3: like going this group, they drafted all these guys and
Speaker 3: none of them play worth the dam. But they've played
Speaker 3: worth the dam this year. They really have.
Speaker 7: Okay, how would you guys rate the team discipline? And
Speaker 7: this all involves penalties, turnovers, and other mistakes that have
Speaker 7: affected the team's performance throughout the season. I know this
Speaker 7: was an area that we have criticized a whole lot,
Speaker 7: just in general, that they have struggled with in the past.
Speaker 7: Have you seen improvement in any of those areas.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, just like everything else in this team,
Speaker 6: they're way better now than they were at the beginning
Speaker 6: of the year. I think they're much better over the
Speaker 6: last four or five games.
Speaker 4: But what I also don't know is no guiding in there. Yeah, well,
Speaker 4: I think that's part of it.
Speaker 6: But I also think I also wonder if part of
Speaker 6: it just is like it's a better team now, like
Speaker 6: a better good teams tend to not do stupid things, right,
Speaker 6: And I think they're a better team right now all
Speaker 6: the way around, like they're just playing better football. And
Speaker 6: so yeah, I think I think it's improved. I definitely
Speaker 6: think it's improved. I think you got to give them
Speaker 6: credit for that, because they are better now than any
Speaker 6: word against.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can't remember how many times had to listen to
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy opened the press conference on penalties, turnovers, penllies, turnovers, penlly, turnovers,
Speaker 3: you know, turn Like, I'm like, bro every week and
Speaker 3: you stand up here and you say penalties and turnovers,
Speaker 3: you do something about it, you know, or draft players
Speaker 3: that will not you know, but they they you know,
Speaker 3: Guidon hasn't played as much. The holding calls are down,
Speaker 3: you know, haven't lined up deep in the backfield, and
Speaker 3: that's you know, that's gone down. You know, there's things,
Speaker 3: you know, the corners, like a guy like Carson not
Speaker 3: out there playing and they've got the legal contacts and
Speaker 3: things like that have kind of gone down. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that part of it's gotten better. But the players, the
Speaker 3: backup guys you do have been pretty disciplined football players
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 7: All right, I'll give a last one before the break.
Speaker 7: How would you guys rate the in game decision making?
Speaker 7: So this kind of go to obviously play calling, and
Speaker 7: then if you want to throw in Mike Zimmer as
Speaker 7: well in there with the defense, how effected they were
Speaker 7: in in game adjustments, time management and the use of
Speaker 7: timeouts or substitutions. So anything that involves any of that.
Speaker 6: Well, I will say that the one thing we were
Speaker 6: harping on earlier in the year was the fact that
Speaker 6: this team seemed like they weren't as prepared because they
Speaker 6: were first quarter, third quarter, they were not doing much
Speaker 6: scoring and they were giving up points, and it seemed
Speaker 6: like it was a consistent theme and that has gone away.
Speaker 4: That is not the narrative at this point.
Speaker 6: So in that respect, they've gotten better at being more
Speaker 6: prepared in those instances when they are coming into the
Speaker 6: game and when they're starting the second half. So from
Speaker 6: that standpoint, you got to give them credit there to
Speaker 6: say that that they have gotten better when it comes
Speaker 6: to game management. I just don't think they've had as
Speaker 6: many games of consequence this year, So it's.
Speaker 4: Hard to really judge a lot of the game decisions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's hard to know, Like if you would have
Speaker 6: been in this situation, that's where you really get to
Speaker 6: see how much the code decisions matters when you in
Speaker 6: those close games.
Speaker 4: They just haven't had a ton of I.
Speaker 3: Kind of feel like the you know, earliest and I
Speaker 3: mentioned this Zimmer and them, poor job and get it done.
Speaker 3: You know, did you just the communication the players all
Speaker 3: that was not good And you know, and we we
Speaker 3: we saw that. We saw huge games where huge games
Speaker 3: were rushing yards against them. Seemed like everybody was throwing
Speaker 3: the ball. They couldn't get off the field. There was
Speaker 3: only one game this year where I felt like that
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy was the reason why they lost the game Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: You know, even though they had the block pun and
Speaker 3: all that stuff like that, the running of the football
Speaker 3: and all that, you know. I mean, yeah, I had
Speaker 3: a chance, and you you know, you could have if
Speaker 3: you could have, you could have taken the game in
Speaker 3: a direction, if you would have just stayed committed to
Speaker 3: something in that game. And you didn't say. But they
Speaker 3: they were, they were in a lot of game. They were.
Speaker 3: They were knocked out of a lot of games. San Francisco, Atlanta, Philly, Houston.
Speaker 3: And that's four games right after the bye, Detroit before
Speaker 3: the bye, you were knocked out of that. That's five
Speaker 3: games in a row where Mike McCarthy was not a
Speaker 3: factor in having to make a decision whether the winner lose.
Speaker 3: I would hope the next guy you get if the
Speaker 3: fact that's the case. I always talk about difference makers.
Speaker 3: Find me the difference makers out there when it comes
Speaker 3: to the coach and the way the guys are not
Speaker 3: only I think Mike does a great job of getting
Speaker 3: the team ready to set to Sunday. I just worry
Speaker 3: about being the difference maker on Sunday, that's all.
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 7: There were those weeks where everyone was saying bad practices
Speaker 7: all within practice.
Speaker 3: That's on Zimmer, that's all. That's on the staff, all
Speaker 3: of them, that's on the staff and we I also.
Speaker 6: Have to ding them a little bit. Is early part
Speaker 6: of the season when you had Dak Prescott and by
Speaker 6: and large the offense was relatively healthy. Now Zach Martin
Speaker 6: was playing unhealthy. He was not healthy while he was playing.
Speaker 6: But all that being considered, like you had an offense
Speaker 6: that should have been able to do more than they
Speaker 6: could do, and it seemed like they just couldn't figure
Speaker 6: out a way to get this offense rolling.
Speaker 4: And so you got to give that to Mike and
Speaker 4: Mike as Mike the head.
Speaker 6: Coach, Mike, he has to take responsibility for that part
Speaker 6: of it, because I do think the offense has gotten
Speaker 6: better this latter part of the year, but I think
Speaker 6: early in the year there was some significant problems and
Speaker 6: they were problems that I don't know.
Speaker 4: It didn't seem like they had a real solution for
Speaker 4: all right, But thank you, all right, good good segment.
Speaker 3: There.
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Speaker 6: dot Com. All right, let's talk about the Philadelphia defense.
Speaker 6: They are right now the number one ring defense in
Speaker 6: the NFL for a reason. Yeah, they are second in
Speaker 6: past defense, they are seventh and rush defense.
Speaker 4: They are fourth in points allowed.
Speaker 6: Uh, they've only allowed a three hundred yard past one
Speaker 6: time the season half. That was in a Week four
Speaker 6: I think it was game where they lost at Tampa
Speaker 6: Bay where they gave up three hundred and thirty.
Speaker 3: Four and they were really banged up. They didn't have
Speaker 3: any of their offensive players in that game too.
Speaker 6: It's tough game for them. But that being said, that's
Speaker 6: the only game. So looking at this, Brian, is there
Speaker 6: any part of their of their past defense where you like,
Speaker 6: if there is a way for Dallas to take advantage,
Speaker 6: here would be the way that they could take advantage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're gonna You're gonna get the one
Speaker 3: thing that it's gonna be difficult without Ceedee Lamb in
Speaker 3: this game because they're gonna find a way to match you.
Speaker 3: There guys Slay Mitchell the rookie and and Cooper de jene.
Speaker 3: They got two rookies and Slay and like I said earlier,
Speaker 3: they just don't allow completions. Uh, they stay with you
Speaker 3: and coverage. There's very little separation in the way that
Speaker 3: they play, they're gonna rush for man what what they
Speaker 3: did to Cooper rush And I'm interested to see if
Speaker 3: they do this this time around there ambar And and Derek,
Speaker 3: they strictly played claw and cover against him the last
Speaker 3: when he made his opening the start after Dak got hurt,
Speaker 3: clogging cover rush four, drop seven, rush for drop seven,
Speaker 3: and they did it the whole game to him. And
Speaker 3: so it's like this said, listen, we're not going to
Speaker 3: let him. And what happened was then the ball was
Speaker 3: just kept going check down, underneath, underneath, underneath, underneath. The
Speaker 3: ball never went down the field. And so I have
Speaker 3: a feeling with with no Lamb, are they going to
Speaker 3: take some shots down the field? Are there going to
Speaker 3: be Can you take some shots with Cooks? You know?
Speaker 3: Can you try and take some shots with Tolbert down
Speaker 3: the field? If I'm Dallas? They they did have watching
Speaker 3: the game, Dallas had some success with the inside run
Speaker 3: with you know, with Rico o'dowdle. Do you get in
Speaker 3: that twelve personnel package, try and make them have to
Speaker 3: defend your run. Now there they've got some inside players
Speaker 3: that have got some size, you know, Milton Williams, Jordan Davis,
Speaker 3: Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith. Nolan Smith's playing a lot better
Speaker 3: for them. Zach Bond, the the linebacker is going to
Speaker 3: make every single tackle. Dean has been a guy that's
Speaker 3: kind of been a little bit of a sidekick. You
Speaker 3: thought Dean was going to be the guy that was
Speaker 3: going to be the difference maker here. It's actually Zach
Speaker 3: Bond is the one that has made the difference. And
Speaker 3: then they're gonna get CJ. Gardner Johnson, They're gonna get
Speaker 3: him down in the box too to have to play
Speaker 3: run defense. So it's gonna be it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: tough game to have to throw the ball. Even though
Speaker 3: Cooper Rush has done a better job the last four
Speaker 3: games of getting the ball down the field. Those air
Speaker 3: yards have improved, and he and he's and he's he's
Speaker 3: thrown he's got six touchdowns, no interceptions, you know, with those,
Speaker 3: but it's it's going to be a challenge of can
Speaker 3: you can you block this front and then can you
Speaker 3: find a way to win on the outside, And these
Speaker 3: these corners make it very very difficult to do that.
Speaker 3: They were so bad, They were so bad last year
Speaker 3: in the secondary and now they're really good.
Speaker 7: You want to feel a little bit better knowing that
Speaker 7: Cooper Bush has improved some and that it wasn't just
Speaker 7: one target. He has been able to complete passes with
Speaker 7: multiple different targets. But again, you not having City Lamb
Speaker 7: changes everything. And that's the big thing for this game,
Speaker 7: because I don't I don't trust this offense to be
Speaker 7: able to do anything without a City Lamb.
Speaker 3: They can now go double Ferguson is what they can do.
Speaker 3: They don't have to worry about, you know, what they
Speaker 3: what they're gonna do is like in those you know,
Speaker 3: the later it gets in the in the in the
Speaker 3: series third down, they're gonna play those split safeties. They're
Speaker 3: gonna play cover two, and they're gonna try and make
Speaker 3: you throw underneath, is what you know. That's their plan.
Speaker 3: Vic Fangio, the veteran defensive coordinator. Last time you face
Speaker 3: Vi Fangio was with it was when he was with
Speaker 3: the Dolphins last year, you know, and that was with
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott at quarterback. So he's he's got a gauge
Speaker 3: of how to kind of how to how to play you,
Speaker 3: and you just don't have enough. I don't think you
Speaker 3: have enough weapons to to really affect how the Eagles
Speaker 3: are going to play you defensively.
Speaker 6: When you look at their run defense, that is the
Speaker 6: worst of the two. There's still seventh in run defensive.
Speaker 6: They're pretty good there as well. But what have you
Speaker 6: seen that other teams may have been able to do
Speaker 6: against them? From a standpoint of running the balls inside?
Speaker 4: Dallas can do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the inside run stuff, I think is where you're at.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've you know, you've got to find a way.
Speaker 3: Like sometimes these defensive tackles Smith David, they'll play xpect
Speaker 3: Carter and ut Smithy, they will play upright, and so
Speaker 3: you have big heavy guys that come out since and
Speaker 3: play upright and they don't have them they don't have
Speaker 3: the lateral. So now you've got bodies in them. And
Speaker 3: then you've got rico' daddle hitting that hole or hitting
Speaker 3: that that crease, you know, getting. I mean, all you
Speaker 3: really are trying to do against the Eagles defense is
Speaker 3: have successful runs four plus yards, you know, four plus yards.
Speaker 3: Just put a bunch of successful runs together, and that's
Speaker 3: really how you, I think the best way to try
Speaker 3: and move the ball in these guys, because if it
Speaker 3: turns into now now Cooper Rush will get rid of
Speaker 3: the ball. He's one of the tops in the in
Speaker 3: the in the UH, in the in the NFL when
Speaker 3: it comes to time throat when he when he gets back,
Speaker 3: when he gets that ball, it's getting out of his hands.
Speaker 3: So you don't get a lot of pressures. You don't
Speaker 3: get a lot of sacks. You get sacks when breakdowns happening.
Speaker 3: Then he stops. But I kind of feel like, though
Speaker 3: that Dallas, if it's just a matter of winning on
Speaker 3: the outside and and but you asked me about the run,
Speaker 3: and I think it's just inside between the tackles, and
Speaker 3: then trying to take advantage of those big bodies, get
Speaker 3: to get somebody into them, get a double team on,
Speaker 3: and then have have the ball cut off that double team.
Speaker 6: There one more quick note before we end the show.
Speaker 6: It's looking more and more like the Cowboys will not
Speaker 6: fake Sjalen hurts. He's had that con custom protocol. Canny
Speaker 6: Pickett has been taking first reps, so it looks like
Speaker 6: they may be without their quarterback as well. I think
Speaker 6: this week, obviously, this game is of little consequence of
Speaker 6: the Cowboys from the standpoint of playoffs. So I don't
Speaker 6: know that we necessarily need to pick the game. But
Speaker 6: here's what I want to do. I want to go
Speaker 6: around the table and I want you guys to tell
Speaker 6: me if the Cowboys win, this is how it likely
Speaker 6: has to happen. That makes sense, Yeah, all right, ambe,
Speaker 6: let's start with you.
Speaker 7: I would say, if they win, it's because they were
Speaker 7: able to run the ball successfully on offense. I think
Speaker 7: that you cannot solely rely or trust a passing game
Speaker 7: currently without a CD Lamb especially, I think I trust
Speaker 7: the Dallas defense to be able to create pressure and
Speaker 7: do their job and keep it competitive at least. And
Speaker 7: I would say obviously not turning over the ball like
Speaker 7: Cooper Rush, going back to making some of those mistakes
Speaker 7: where all of a sudden he's throwing the ball just.
Speaker 6: To throw it.
Speaker 7: You're like, oh, where who are you throwing it to?
Speaker 7: I think I hope he's able to progress from last
Speaker 7: week and keep improving in that area and just be smarter.
Speaker 7: I think we've seen them be capable of moving the
Speaker 7: ball down the field, but it's just again what happens
Speaker 7: in the red zone and all of that, And I
Speaker 7: think it all starts with the running game and how
Speaker 7: successful Rico dal will be in this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, make Kenny Pickett a passer and then win it
Speaker 3: with Turpin in the special teams. If you could find
Speaker 3: a way to get off the field, make Turpin that
Speaker 3: those hidden yards, whether the punt returned stuff. You know,
Speaker 3: we've seen the Cowboys go to the Philadelphia and win
Speaker 3: games with block punts and things like that and big
Speaker 3: special teams place. I think you're gonna need some big
Speaker 3: special teams place. Create some field position here, but make
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett have to beat you throw in the football.
Speaker 3: They're very, very capable with the wide receiver spot and
Speaker 3: all that, but if you're making him throw the ball,
Speaker 3: that means you're choking the run. But make Canny pick
Speaker 3: it be. If Dallas wins this game, it's because they
Speaker 3: made him a passer. Yep.
Speaker 4: I agree with that wholeheartedly.
Speaker 6: I think in addition to that, the way I look
Speaker 6: at it is you're gonna have to get some scoring
Speaker 6: from other parts of your team. I think defense, special
Speaker 6: teams are gonna have to get some score.
Speaker 3: Washington game, it's gonna have to be a Commander scame.
Speaker 4: Or they're gonna have to give you short field.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, short of fields, so you can take advantage
Speaker 6: and get a couple of plays here and there, and
Speaker 6: then you're in the inn zone. But this is gonna
Speaker 6: be a game where the defense special team is gonna
Speaker 6: have to win it for you.
Speaker 3: Remember, remember they gave you a short field, they gave
Speaker 3: you the ball in the five, and Dallas kicked a
Speaker 3: field goal the last time.
Speaker 6: There's team different team back then, Yeah, different I think
Speaker 6: different different team, right, different team. All right, we'repprecaid you
Speaker 6: got more banged up team. Yeah, we apprecid you guys.
Speaker 6: Johonna back on Monday. We'll let's you know what went
Speaker 6: right and wrong for the Cowboys till then. For Brian
Speaker 6: brought us Namagarcia. I'm Derek Heildts and this has been
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