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Speaker 4: All right, so let's talk Cowboys. Let's talk with injuries.

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Speaker 6: Yesterday, we find out after some talk that we've been

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Speaker 6: having throughout the week, Amber, I think somebody's been listening

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Speaker 6: to you, and decision was made. This specion was made

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Speaker 6: that is time to shut it down for mister Cede

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Speaker 6: Lamb and he's done for the year. And I was

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Speaker 6: I thought it was interesting the way that they phrased it,

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Speaker 6: which was basically, after kind of reviewing whatever they review,

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Speaker 6: they felt like this point, it was at a point

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Speaker 3: That the MRIs were getting worse.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and so it's like the yeah, and so at

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Speaker 6: that point it was like, Okay, let's just shut him down.

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Speaker 6: Let's start rehabbing him. Doesn't look like it's going to

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Speaker 6: need surgery, No it's not. But they're gonna start rehabbing

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Speaker 6: him and see if they can get him back.

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Speaker 4: Here's my question.

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Speaker 6: Obviously this game doesn't matter, but to some degree it

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Speaker 6: does give you some opportunity here to be able to

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Speaker 6: look at your wide receiver corps. That being said, who

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Speaker 6: do you think will be the starting wide receivers this

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Speaker 3: You got an idea on that one? Ag I would say,

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Speaker 3: I would say that you're probably looking at I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if this group you necessarily want to

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Speaker 3: play a lot of eleven personnel and Dallas. Dallas has

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Speaker 3: gone away from that. Dallas, and I went back and

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Speaker 3: the last game he played, they were like ninety eleven

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Speaker 3: personnel and now they're down into the like the sixties,

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Speaker 3: which is the lowest that they've been playing eleven personnel

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Speaker 3: last week against the Buccaneers. Every week they've gone less

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Speaker 3: and less when we talk about eleven personnel, Jerry Madlan,

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Speaker 3: I'm doing this for you.

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Speaker 4: Uh, the one running back, one tight end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one running back, one tight end. So that's you know,

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Speaker 6: Like real quick for everyone, just the way the easiest

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Speaker 3: There you go, there you go, thank you big well,

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Speaker 4: Jerry would be proud, Jould be found.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, be a little bigger on set there a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Be a little bigger if you can. But anyway, that's

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surpried Brooks is

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Speaker 7: But I think it's going to be he has shown

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Speaker 3: If you put a seventy number on it, you can

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Speaker 3: I mean, he goes out there and they ask him

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Speaker 3: But to your question, Brooks and probably and probably Tolbert

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Speaker 7: I think that's the best answer and the more but

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Speaker 7: I'm still curious. I think he's he's shown to have

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Speaker 3: So with that being said, do you think it's gonna

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Speaker 7: I think it'll be Cooks and to Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 4: I think it will be.

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Speaker 6: But I will say this, and here's here's where I'm

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Speaker 4: Sure, some of them are free agents.

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Speaker 6: Some are hopeful that they can get an opportunity to

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Speaker 6: You know there's some like a Turpin that that this

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Speaker 6: a wide receiver that's playing a lot more at wide receiver.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to give you these five names. I want

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Speaker 6: the greater opportunity this weekend? Tolbert Turpin, Flinoy Mingo or Cooks.

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Speaker 6: Cooks will be a free agent this year, so he's

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Speaker 7: Your question is who has the great.

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Speaker 7: I would say a guy for me would put because

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Speaker 7: how old is Cooks right now?

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Speaker 3: He's got to be Yeah, he's actually I don't think

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Speaker 7: Just looks mature.

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Speaker 4: He just played for so many teams, just like you

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Speaker 3: But let me let me do this for you thirty one.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, thank you, Chris. I think maybe and

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Speaker 7: were we out on contracts again?

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Speaker 4: I think Cooks is a free agent? Is Turping a

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Speaker 2: This year.

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Speaker 4: Or is it next year?

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Speaker 3: Man? You're asking a lot of questions.

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Speaker 4: Before asking these questions on there, I should have known this.

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Speaker 7: Before because I think that that that affects the law

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Speaker 3: What what we What we know is that I think

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Speaker 3: he's restricted. I think he could be thought it was

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Speaker 6: It's not a free agent obviously, Mingo is not a

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Speaker 6: free agent. And I don't mean think and I don't

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Speaker 6: I don't think Brooks is either. I think all three

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Speaker 6: of them still have another year or two.

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Speaker 3: This is why this is why Cooks his last for me? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because I feel like you're probably gonna move on from Cooks.

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Speaker 3: That would be that would be my That would be

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Speaker 3: As far as the other I think the guy, the

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Speaker 3: weeks is Mingo because they've got to they've got to

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Speaker 3: try and get him the ball. I mean like in

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Speaker 3: a legitimate way, not like a Okay, you run forty

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Speaker 3: We've seen him.

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Speaker 7: We've seen I mean this season, poor Cedie Lamb. At

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Speaker 3: He signed guy he signed through twenty twenty five, so.

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Speaker 4: He's got another year.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you can cut people, be drastic, cut bye

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tolbert's done, not Tobert Turpin is done, so he

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Speaker 6: But it is an opportunity, is what I'm saying. And

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Speaker 6: of like, yeah, that's kind of where I am at

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00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 6: this point now that CD's going yeah, And it made

442
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,959
Speaker 6: me start thinking, like, what are the like you think

443
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 6: about the leaders on this team, Dak, CD, Tank, even

444
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 6: Micah for a little bit. Sure, if you want to

445
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 6: call Trayvon one of those guys, he's one of those

446
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 6: guys that is certainly one of the faces of this team.

447
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 6: You look at all those guys. I'm sorry, Zach Martin.

448
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 6: You look at all those guys, and they've been gone

449
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 6: for significant amount of time this season. So when you

450
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 6: ask me about chemistry, it's hard to know because the

451
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 6: leaders weren't there to be the guys that were setting

452
00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 6: the example. I think the character of this team was

453
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 6: really good, which maybe that's a part of the chemistry

454
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 6: because the fact that halfway through the season most people

455
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 6: wrote them off as done and the fact that they

456
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 6: weren't actually eliminated until last week because they got on

457
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 6: this winning streak, says the character is right, which you

458
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 6: know that could factor into the chemistry, but it's just

459
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 6: hard to say with chemistry just because the leadership wasn't there.

460
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 3: No, he's absolutely right, and the character of this team.

461
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: And but I've also said this, and I don't know

462
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 3: if this is character or this is just guys realizing

463
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 3: you you played with just a ton of young guys

464
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: that are not established. They kept playing, but they that's

465
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: their character that they you know, they're They're not Ceedee Lamb,

466
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 3: they're not Micah Parsons, they're not Dak Prescott, They're not

467
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 3: you know, Tank Lawrence. When it comes to the compensation,

468
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: I think a lot of guys showed really really high character.

469
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: But I think they showed they showed that like that

470
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: when you when you have when you can, when you

471
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 3: have to call on them, they were able to answer

472
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 3: the bell. I think that says a lot about them.

473
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 3: I think that maybe you can apply that to the chemistry,

474
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 3: that that the players that they got together are high character,

475
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 3: they fit together, they're gonna play hard, They're gonna try

476
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 3: and do what's asked of them. Initially, I'm gonna say

477
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: the chemistry on defense wasn't very good. I don't think

478
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 3: it was. I don't think they they I don't think

479
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: the buy in of Mike Zimmer with the who was

480
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: currently playing defense for this team. I don't think there

481
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 3: was a real and I use the word buy in,

482
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 3: but I don't think Mike them taught it fast enough

483
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: or well enough. And I don't think the players they

484
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 3: were all feeling sorry for themselves because of Dan Quinn.

485
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: They're all, you know, And this is just my observation,

486
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 3: not it's not anything in the locker room or anybody

487
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: telling me anything. I'm just thinking that you got off

488
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 3: to such a bad start on defense, and there are

489
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: probably some players that are like, oh damn, we gotta

490
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 3: do this, and this guy that he wants to do this,

491
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 3: I don't understand. I don't understand. And you know, you

492
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 3: got guys that were brought on here, like and I'm

493
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 3: sure that Eric Kendricks, you know, he was brought on

494
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: because he'd played in the system and stuff like that,

495
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 3: so you know, but there came a point in time

496
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: too where maybe Eric Kendricks was you know, maybe he

497
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 3: was just the one guy saying, hey, come on, man,

498
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 3: we could you know, you gotta you gotta buy in.

499
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 3: You gotta do this, you gotta and then they all

500
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 3: kind of figured out that well, damn, maybe Zim knows

501
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: what he's talking about. So the chemistry of Zimmer and

502
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: the defense initially f where it is now C plus B,

503
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 3: you know, because they're all kind of they're playing at

504
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 3: a better level without some of the guys who were

505
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: leaders that Derek brought up.

506
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, so you guys list a whole bunch of

507
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 7: players that have been out due to injuries. How would

508
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,239
Speaker 7: you rate the player growth overall player growth as far

509
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 7: as like all these younger players have had to step

510
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 7: in and step up.

511
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: Wide receivers and very poor. That's an area. Offensive line

512
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 3: I think has been good. Tight End room I think

513
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: got better. You know, quarterback is that's a that's a

514
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: veteran group, with the exception Trey Lance is not going

515
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 3: to play. So we start to tell Cooper Rush. I

516
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: think Cooper Rush did the best he could in the situation.

517
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 4: I'll give you another one.

518
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 6: They got better linebackers, Yeah, I think those young linebackers,

519
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 6: I think they ascended.

520
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, the young linebackers got better. I think if you

521
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 3: what what do you want to say about Rico Daddle?

522
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 3: I think he got better. I think initially that when

523
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: they when they just said, well, let's try and have

524
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: a you know, a two two horse rushing attack here

525
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 3: with you know, and then they realized that, wait, Zeke

526
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: can't get this done. And then Hunter Lipke, you know,

527
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 3: they they didn't hand the ball to Hunter Lipkey anymore.

528
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 3: And then you know, duce Faughn is douce fan And

529
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 3: I mean that in no disrespect. I mean that duce

530
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 3: Vaughn is. They can't find a role for Douce Faughn.

531
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 3: So he didn't get better because they can't find a

532
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: role for me. But the but rico'dowdell got better, I

533
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: think because he stayed healthy. You know, when Rico Dallas

534
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 3: stays healthy, he's a better player. The secondary, I can't

535
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 3: say you got better. He's never had your guys. You

536
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 3: didn't have your veteran guys there, but your.

537
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 6: Young Carson didn't yet, your young your young cornerbacks did

538
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 6: not ambly, not not not.

539
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 4: They didn't progress of them.

540
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: Not at all. And I don't think the safety room

541
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: I think kind of stayed the same. I think Wilson's

542
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 3: a good player. I don't always trust Hooker, you know,

543
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: playing but I think the offensive line, when you ask,

544
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: they've gotten better running the ball in the for the

545
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: last five games, They've given up not many pressures. They've

546
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 3: done their job to try. If Dak was playing behind

547
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: this line, this current line, you know it might there

548
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: might be the offense might be even better. So I

549
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: just think they're all the things I thought this wide

550
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: receiver room was going to elevate. No, it's it went

551
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 3: It went south, went south on me.

552
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 6: To be honest with you, I think they continue to

553
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 6: be who they've been with is they can make a

554
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 6: play splash here or there, but buying large, none of

555
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 6: them really stepped up and took.

556
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: You got one guy. It really is and I shouldn't. Turpin,

557
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: I think is when you asked Turpin, put him in

558
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: the backfield, put him in the slot. You could do

559
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: things with him. Is one of the most dynamic players

560
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: in the league as a kick returner, you know, and

561
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: the rules didn't really affect him all that much. Yeah,

562
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 3: you know, he was able to bring a couple out. Heck,

563
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: won a game for you there in Inlando.

564
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 4: He might even be better with the new rules.

565
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we kind of thought that the OTAs when

566
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: I was at her watching him. You know, by the

567
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: time he caught the ball and nobody moving, he was

568
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: already about the thirty five yard line. Yeah, I'm like, whoa,

569
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: this is gonna be interesting. The ball's gonna be at

570
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 3: the fifty all the time. They let him run it back.

571
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right.

572
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 7: We have talked a lot about Baltiski.

573
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: Real quick too. Do you think the defensive line got

574
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 3: better with Mazie chance chance? Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't.

575
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 4: Mean enough for that.

576
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 6: That's actually honestly, that might besive line improved.

577
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 4: I said, line probably improved the same one.

578
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: Osa and and Mazzi and John C. Chauncey go. Yeah,

579
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: they stepped up when when we were all kind of

580
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: like going this group, they drafted all these guys and

581
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: none of them play worth the dam. But they've played

582
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: worth the dam this year. They really have.

583
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 7: Okay, how would you guys rate the team discipline? And

584
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 7: this all involves penalties, turnovers, and other mistakes that have

585
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 7: affected the team's performance throughout the season. I know this

586
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 7: was an area that we have criticized a whole lot,

587
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 7: just in general, that they have struggled with in the past.

588
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 7: Have you seen improvement in any of those areas.

589
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, just like everything else in this team,

590
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 6: they're way better now than they were at the beginning

591
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 6: of the year. I think they're much better over the

592
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 6: last four or five games.

593
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: But what I also don't know is no guiding in there. Yeah, well,

594
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 4: I think that's part of it.

595
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 6: But I also think I also wonder if part of

596
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 6: it just is like it's a better team now, like

597
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 6: a better good teams tend to not do stupid things, right,

598
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 6: And I think they're a better team right now all

599
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 6: the way around, like they're just playing better football. And

600
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 6: so yeah, I think I think it's improved. I definitely

601
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 6: think it's improved. I think you got to give them

602
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 6: credit for that, because they are better now than any

603
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 6: word against.

604
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 12: Yeah.

605
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: I can't remember how many times had to listen to

606
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy opened the press conference on penalties, turnovers, penllies, turnovers, penlly, turnovers,

607
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: you know, turn Like, I'm like, bro every week and

608
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: you stand up here and you say penalties and turnovers,

609
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: you do something about it, you know, or draft players

610
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: that will not you know, but they they you know,

611
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: Guidon hasn't played as much. The holding calls are down,

612
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: you know, haven't lined up deep in the backfield, and

613
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: that's you know, that's gone down. You know, there's things,

614
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: you know, the corners, like a guy like Carson not

615
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: out there playing and they've got the legal contacts and

616
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: things like that have kind of gone down. So yeah,

617
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: that part of it's gotten better. But the players, the

618
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: backup guys you do have been pretty disciplined football players

619
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 3: out there.

620
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 7: All right, I'll give a last one before the break.

621
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 7: How would you guys rate the in game decision making?

622
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 7: So this kind of go to obviously play calling, and

623
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 7: then if you want to throw in Mike Zimmer as

624
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 7: well in there with the defense, how effected they were

625
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 7: in in game adjustments, time management and the use of

626
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 7: timeouts or substitutions. So anything that involves any of that.

627
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 6: Well, I will say that the one thing we were

628
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 6: harping on earlier in the year was the fact that

629
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 6: this team seemed like they weren't as prepared because they

630
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 6: were first quarter, third quarter, they were not doing much

631
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 6: scoring and they were giving up points, and it seemed

632
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 6: like it was a consistent theme and that has gone away.

633
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: That is not the narrative at this point.

634
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 6: So in that respect, they've gotten better at being more

635
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 6: prepared in those instances when they are coming into the

636
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 6: game and when they're starting the second half. So from

637
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 6: that standpoint, you got to give them credit there to

638
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 6: say that that they have gotten better when it comes

639
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 6: to game management. I just don't think they've had as

640
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 6: many games of consequence this year, So it's.

641
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 4: Hard to really judge a lot of the game decisions.

642
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's hard to know, Like if you would have

643
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 6: been in this situation, that's where you really get to

644
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 6: see how much the code decisions matters when you in

645
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 6: those close games.

646
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: They just haven't had a ton of I.

647
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: Kind of feel like the you know, earliest and I

648
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: mentioned this Zimmer and them, poor job and get it done.

649
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 3: You know, did you just the communication the players all

650
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: that was not good And you know, and we we

651
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: we saw that. We saw huge games where huge games

652
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: were rushing yards against them. Seemed like everybody was throwing

653
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: the ball. They couldn't get off the field. There was

654
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: only one game this year where I felt like that

655
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy was the reason why they lost the game Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: You know, even though they had the block pun and

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Speaker 3: all that stuff like that, the running of the football

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Speaker 3: and all that, you know. I mean, yeah, I had

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Speaker 3: a chance, and you you know, you could have if

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Speaker 3: you could have, you could have taken the game in

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Speaker 3: a direction, if you would have just stayed committed to

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Speaker 3: something in that game. And you didn't say. But they

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Speaker 3: they were, they were in a lot of game. They were.

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Speaker 3: They were knocked out of a lot of games. San Francisco, Atlanta, Philly, Houston.

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Speaker 3: And that's four games right after the bye, Detroit before

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Speaker 3: the bye, you were knocked out of that. That's five

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Speaker 3: games in a row where Mike McCarthy was not a

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Speaker 3: factor in having to make a decision whether the winner lose.

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Speaker 3: I would hope the next guy you get if the

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Speaker 3: fact that's the case. I always talk about difference makers.

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Speaker 3: Find me the difference makers out there when it comes

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Speaker 3: to the coach and the way the guys are not

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Speaker 3: only I think Mike does a great job of getting

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Speaker 3: the team ready to set to Sunday. I just worry

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Speaker 3: about being the difference maker on Sunday, that's all.

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Speaker 6: I mean.

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Speaker 7: There were those weeks where everyone was saying bad practices

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Speaker 7: all within practice.

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Speaker 3: That's on Zimmer, that's all. That's on the staff, all

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Speaker 3: of them, that's on the staff and we I also.

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Speaker 6: Have to ding them a little bit. Is early part

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Speaker 6: of the season when you had Dak Prescott and by

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Speaker 6: and large the offense was relatively healthy. Now Zach Martin

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Speaker 6: was playing unhealthy. He was not healthy while he was playing.

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Speaker 6: But all that being considered, like you had an offense

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Speaker 6: that should have been able to do more than they

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Speaker 4: And so you got to give that to Mike and

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Speaker 6: Coach, Mike, he has to take responsibility for that part

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Speaker 4: It didn't seem like they had a real solution for

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Speaker 4: all right, But thank you, all right, good good segment.

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Speaker 6: dot Com. All right, let's talk about the Philadelphia defense.

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Speaker 6: They are right now the number one ring defense in

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Speaker 6: the NFL for a reason. Yeah, they are second in

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00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 6: past defense, they are seventh and rush defense.

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Speaker 4: They are fourth in points allowed.

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Speaker 6: Uh, they've only allowed a three hundred yard past one

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Speaker 6: time the season half. That was in a Week four

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Speaker 6: I think it was game where they lost at Tampa

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Speaker 6: Bay where they gave up three hundred and thirty.

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Speaker 3: Four and they were really banged up. They didn't have

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Speaker 3: any of their offensive players in that game too.

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Speaker 6: It's tough game for them. But that being said, that's

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Speaker 6: the only game. So looking at this, Brian, is there

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Speaker 6: any part of their of their past defense where you like,

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Speaker 6: if there is a way for Dallas to take advantage,

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Speaker 6: here would be the way that they could take advantage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're gonna You're gonna get the one

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Speaker 3: thing that it's gonna be difficult without Ceedee Lamb in

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Speaker 3: this game because they're gonna find a way to match you.

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Speaker 3: There guys Slay Mitchell the rookie and and Cooper de jene.

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Speaker 3: They got two rookies and Slay and like I said earlier,

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Speaker 3: they just don't allow completions. Uh, they stay with you

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00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: and coverage. There's very little separation in the way that

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00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: they play, they're gonna rush for man what what they

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00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: did to Cooper rush And I'm interested to see if

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Speaker 3: they do this this time around there ambar And and Derek,

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Speaker 3: they strictly played claw and cover against him the last

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Speaker 3: when he made his opening the start after Dak got hurt,

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Speaker 3: clogging cover rush four, drop seven, rush for drop seven,

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Speaker 3: and they did it the whole game to him. And

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Speaker 3: so it's like this said, listen, we're not going to

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Speaker 3: let him. And what happened was then the ball was

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Speaker 3: just kept going check down, underneath, underneath, underneath, underneath. The

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00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: ball never went down the field. And so I have

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Speaker 3: a feeling with with no Lamb, are they going to

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Speaker 3: take some shots down the field? Are there going to

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Speaker 3: be Can you take some shots with Cooks? You know?

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Speaker 3: Can you try and take some shots with Tolbert down

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Speaker 3: the field? If I'm Dallas? They they did have watching

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Speaker 3: the game, Dallas had some success with the inside run

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Speaker 3: with you know, with Rico o'dowdle. Do you get in

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Speaker 3: that twelve personnel package, try and make them have to

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00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 3: defend your run. Now there they've got some inside players

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Speaker 3: that have got some size, you know, Milton Williams, Jordan Davis,

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00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith. Nolan Smith's playing a lot better

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Speaker 3: for them. Zach Bond, the the linebacker is going to

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00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: make every single tackle. Dean has been a guy that's

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Speaker 3: kind of been a little bit of a sidekick. You

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Speaker 3: thought Dean was going to be the guy that was

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Speaker 3: going to be the difference maker here. It's actually Zach

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Speaker 3: Bond is the one that has made the difference. And

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Speaker 3: then they're gonna get CJ. Gardner Johnson, They're gonna get

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Speaker 3: him down in the box too to have to play

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Speaker 3: run defense. So it's gonna be it's gonna be a

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Speaker 3: tough game to have to throw the ball. Even though

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Speaker 3: Cooper Rush has done a better job the last four

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Speaker 3: games of getting the ball down the field. Those air

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Speaker 3: yards have improved, and he and he's and he's he's

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Speaker 3: thrown he's got six touchdowns, no interceptions, you know, with those,

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Speaker 3: but it's it's going to be a challenge of can

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Speaker 3: you can you block this front and then can you

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Speaker 3: find a way to win on the outside, And these

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Speaker 3: these corners make it very very difficult to do that.

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Speaker 3: They were so bad, They were so bad last year

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Speaker 3: in the secondary and now they're really good.

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Speaker 7: You want to feel a little bit better knowing that

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Speaker 7: Cooper Bush has improved some and that it wasn't just

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Speaker 7: one target. He has been able to complete passes with

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Speaker 7: multiple different targets. But again, you not having City Lamb

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Speaker 7: changes everything. And that's the big thing for this game,

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Speaker 7: because I don't I don't trust this offense to be

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Speaker 7: able to do anything without a City Lamb.

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Speaker 3: They can now go double Ferguson is what they can do.

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Speaker 3: They don't have to worry about, you know, what they

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Speaker 3: what they're gonna do is like in those you know,

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Speaker 3: the later it gets in the in the in the

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Speaker 3: series third down, they're gonna play those split safeties. They're

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Speaker 3: gonna play cover two, and they're gonna try and make

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Speaker 3: you throw underneath, is what you know. That's their plan.

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Speaker 3: Vic Fangio, the veteran defensive coordinator. Last time you face

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Speaker 3: Vi Fangio was with it was when he was with

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Speaker 3: the Dolphins last year, you know, and that was with

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Speaker 3: Dak Prescott at quarterback. So he's he's got a gauge

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Speaker 3: of how to kind of how to how to play you,

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Speaker 3: and you just don't have enough. I don't think you

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Speaker 3: have enough weapons to to really affect how the Eagles

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Speaker 3: are going to play you defensively.

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Speaker 6: When you look at their run defense, that is the

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Speaker 6: worst of the two. There's still seventh in run defensive.

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Speaker 6: They're pretty good there as well. But what have you

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Speaker 6: seen that other teams may have been able to do

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Speaker 6: against them? From a standpoint of running the balls inside?

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Speaker 4: Dallas can do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the inside run stuff, I think is where you're at.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you've you know, you've got to find a way.

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Speaker 3: Like sometimes these defensive tackles Smith David, they'll play xpect

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Speaker 3: Carter and ut Smithy, they will play upright, and so

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Speaker 3: you have big heavy guys that come out since and

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Speaker 3: play upright and they don't have them they don't have

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Speaker 3: the lateral. So now you've got bodies in them. And

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Speaker 3: then you've got rico' daddle hitting that hole or hitting

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Speaker 3: that that crease, you know, getting. I mean, all you

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Speaker 3: really are trying to do against the Eagles defense is

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Speaker 3: have successful runs four plus yards, you know, four plus yards.

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Speaker 3: Just put a bunch of successful runs together, and that's

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Speaker 3: really how you, I think the best way to try

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Speaker 3: and move the ball in these guys, because if it

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Speaker 3: turns into now now Cooper Rush will get rid of

872
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: the ball. He's one of the tops in the in

873
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 3: the in the UH, in the in the NFL when

874
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: it comes to time throat when he when he gets back,

875
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 3: when he gets that ball, it's getting out of his hands.

876
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 3: So you don't get a lot of pressures. You don't

877
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: get a lot of sacks. You get sacks when breakdowns happening.

878
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: Then he stops. But I kind of feel like, though

879
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: that Dallas, if it's just a matter of winning on

880
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: the outside and and but you asked me about the run,

881
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: and I think it's just inside between the tackles, and

882
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 3: then trying to take advantage of those big bodies, get

883
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: to get somebody into them, get a double team on,

884
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 3: and then have have the ball cut off that double team.

885
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 6: There one more quick note before we end the show.

886
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 6: It's looking more and more like the Cowboys will not

887
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 6: fake Sjalen hurts. He's had that con custom protocol. Canny

888
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 6: Pickett has been taking first reps, so it looks like

889
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 6: they may be without their quarterback as well. I think

890
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 6: this week, obviously, this game is of little consequence of

891
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 6: the Cowboys from the standpoint of playoffs. So I don't

892
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 6: know that we necessarily need to pick the game. But

893
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 6: here's what I want to do. I want to go

894
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 6: around the table and I want you guys to tell

895
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 6: me if the Cowboys win, this is how it likely

896
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 6: has to happen. That makes sense, Yeah, all right, ambe,

897
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 6: let's start with you.

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00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 7: I would say, if they win, it's because they were

899
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 7: able to run the ball successfully on offense. I think

900
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 7: that you cannot solely rely or trust a passing game

901
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 7: currently without a CD Lamb especially, I think I trust

902
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 7: the Dallas defense to be able to create pressure and

903
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 7: do their job and keep it competitive at least. And

904
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 7: I would say obviously not turning over the ball like

905
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 7: Cooper Rush, going back to making some of those mistakes

906
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 7: where all of a sudden he's throwing the ball just.

907
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 6: To throw it.

908
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 7: You're like, oh, where who are you throwing it to?

909
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 7: I think I hope he's able to progress from last

910
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 7: week and keep improving in that area and just be smarter.

911
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 7: I think we've seen them be capable of moving the

912
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 7: ball down the field, but it's just again what happens

913
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 7: in the red zone and all of that, And I

914
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 7: think it all starts with the running game and how

915
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 7: successful Rico dal will be in this game.

916
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, make Kenny Pickett a passer and then win it

917
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: with Turpin in the special teams. If you could find

918
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: a way to get off the field, make Turpin that

919
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: those hidden yards, whether the punt returned stuff. You know,

920
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: we've seen the Cowboys go to the Philadelphia and win

921
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: games with block punts and things like that and big

922
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: special teams place. I think you're gonna need some big

923
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: special teams place. Create some field position here, but make

924
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett have to beat you throw in the football.

925
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: They're very, very capable with the wide receiver spot and

926
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: all that, but if you're making him throw the ball,

927
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: that means you're choking the run. But make Canny pick

928
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: it be. If Dallas wins this game, it's because they

929
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 3: made him a passer. Yep.

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00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 4: I agree with that wholeheartedly.

931
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 6: I think in addition to that, the way I look

932
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 6: at it is you're gonna have to get some scoring

933
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 6: from other parts of your team. I think defense, special

934
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 6: teams are gonna have to get some score.

935
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 3: Washington game, it's gonna have to be a Commander scame.

936
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 4: Or they're gonna have to give you short field.

937
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, short of fields, so you can take advantage

938
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 6: and get a couple of plays here and there, and

939
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 6: then you're in the inn zone. But this is gonna

940
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 6: be a game where the defense special team is gonna

941
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 6: have to win it for you.

942
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: Remember, remember they gave you a short field, they gave

943
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: you the ball in the five, and Dallas kicked a

944
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: field goal the last time.

945
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Speaker 6: There's team different team back then, Yeah, different I think

946
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 6: different different team, right, different team. All right, we'repprecaid you

947
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 6: got more banged up team. Yeah, we apprecid you guys.

948
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Speaker 6: Johonna back on Monday. We'll let's you know what went

949
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Speaker 6: right and wrong for the Cowboys till then. For Brian

950
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Speaker 6: brought us Namagarcia. I'm Derek Heildts and this has been

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