WEBVTT - Brand Building: He says stay prepared, protect your integrity, believe in your vision, and be ready when opportunity knocks. 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.680 Welcome to my show. I'm Rashon McDonald, a host of 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:06.120 Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Well, we encourage people to stop 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:09.960 reading other people's success stories and start planning your own. Now, 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:12.200 you don't want to miss an episode, so please take 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.800 a moment right now to follow or subscribe to Money 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:16.400 Making Conversations Masterclass. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:17.239 It's free. 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:21.400 You can follow me on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.439 or wherever you listen to your podcast. New Money Making 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.120 Conversations Masterclass episodes drop daily. I want to keep you 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.680 on alert because my guests provide tips on how you 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.839 can uplift your community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.440 advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Now, let's 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.559 get this podcast started. He's here again. I have to 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:45.320 make this a two parter. Two parter. I'm so blessed 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.080 that he's stayed with me. You know, entertainment career spanning 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.000 more than four decades. Known for his smooth tenor and 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.160 emotional delivery, his voice remains one of the most recognizable 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.680 in R and B and soul music history. He captivates 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.520 audience worldwide before with both Charlamar as well as solo 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:07.400 artists himself when he left Charlama. That's bringing fans the 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.400 best of both worlds, the group's iconic classics and his 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.600 timeless solo hits. As we discussed in the previous we 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.760 talked about how the career started. He was a dreamer, 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.800 like all people, you're dreamer. Now you're not dreaming anymore. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.280 You're doing collaborations. I gotta jump right to the new 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.000 collaboration you're doing with Ronnie Lass. 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:26.199 Ronnie laws Man. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.759 You know Ronnie. Ronnie is like an interesting cat man. 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.560 We've been friends for years and years, but. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.240 Running laws out of Houston, Texas. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:35.119 Ranny Laws, right. 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.600 And it was funny because I was sitting in and 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.840 how I forget which houses I think I was in. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.920 I think I was in wood Ranch, a place called 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:49.400 wood Rats. Then that's what the household was in. And uh, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.840 I'm sitting there the middle afternoon and like my doorbell 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.240 rings right, and I go to the door and open 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.240 it is running right, and he looks to me. 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:05.040 I look at him. He says, Howard, Ronnie, what's up man? 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:05.680 How you doing? 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:10.200 And you know, Ronnie's Jehovah witness, so so like he 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.480 was doing his house the house thing. The witnessing thing, 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.360 and and he just happened to come come to the 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.760 crib and like we sat, we sat and talked for 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.480 for a while. You know, as far as that was concerned, 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.200 I knew all about Jehovah Witness. 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.320 And my sister was Jehovah witness. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.160 For years and uh. But then you know, we stayed 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:36.079 in contact and stuff. And then finally fast forwarding to 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.880 about I think I think we recorded uh this thing 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.680 about a year year and a half or so ago, 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.959 and he got in touch with me and and a 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.639 ribbon in the sky Steve Stevie. 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.440 Want is one of his one of his many many 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.720 hits was one of Ronnie's. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:03:00.320 Uh, his wife who just passed away, that was that 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.000 was one of her favorite songs. 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.480 Let me this, Let me ask you how when you're 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.360 doing a song like that, do you have to get 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:07.760 permission from the artists? 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.919 You talk to the artists, you know, sometimes there's a 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:14.400 permission thing. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.600 You know, Like I did a cover. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:25.600 Of of uh, a Bob Dylan song just like a Woman, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:30.280 and we called the people, the publishing and the publishing 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:35.040 his publishing people, and they gave their their you know, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:39.360 their approval, They gave their stamp of approval of it. 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.680 But then we have to get permission to do it. 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.920 That's that's a whole other thing. I believe, as far 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.360 as long as you make sure all the publishing and 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:55.440 everything writers publishing goes in the right directions, in the 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:56.800 right channels and stuff. 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.360 He said, you know, it's pretty much things. 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.360 You know, let's talk about that because this is new music. 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.040 And then you have a staple of people or don't 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.440 want to hear new music. They want to hear it. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.680 They you know, they won't shit around. They keep down, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.600 hugged up, ready to sing. They want to hear Charlama. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.880 They want to hear your solo. Say amen, you know 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.279 if you if you left the stage, I did a 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:23.160 concert without saying they say, it'll be a right. Some 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.320 people just come in for just that one song. So 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:30.120 how do you balance howard new music which you have 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.479 to do. It's an artist you you you you you're 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:36.680 creative soul. But then you you left Charlamar. Let's talk 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.440 about why you left them, and then the nervousness of 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.080 building a solo career. 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.960 It was like leaving leaving the group because a lot 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:49.120 of people ask that question, and and there was like 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.800 you know it was for me, it was more or 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.800 less just a natural progression. Okay, you know what I'm 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.000 saying when Jeffrey and Jody, because Jeffrey and Jody split 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.880 it first. A lot of people think I split first, 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.440 but Jeffrey and Jody split first. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:06.960 In fact, when we did. 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.720 When we did, when I I did uh dancing in 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.839 the Sheets, the tune that was on the Footlooks soundtrack, 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.159 it was like at the time, it was funny because 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.440 because Leon Silvers, because this cat, Dean Pitchford is the 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.960 cat that did he wrote all the music for Ford 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.520 for the Footloose movie. Right, So he called me and 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:35.359 Leon Silvers, who Leon is our producer, uh, and wanted 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:40.480 us to come watch a rough cut of of of Footloods. 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.520 They had all all temporary music in there and stuff. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:45.600 So we go to. 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.560 Paramount, right the Paramount Studios. We's sitting in this little 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.600 this little theater and watch it. And then Dean Pitchford 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.280 tells us what where he wants the Shalamar song or whatever, 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.120 and we're dancing in the sheets, a song that he 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.760 had written, and so like you know, he tells us, 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.760 you know, and so like you know, Leon and I 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:09.000 are walking back to the to the to the parking lot, 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.440 right and I asked Leon, I said. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:12.240 Well, what do you think? 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.400 And Leon says, man, I got a I got I 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.720 got a lot on my plate right now, you know, 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.640 he said. And then he says, and I don't think 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.680 it's going to be that big of a movie for this. 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.359 And so he said, I got a lot on my plate. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.880 He said, I might not be able to work that in. 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.480 You know. He said, well, what do you think? 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.760 I said, Well, I said, considering, I said, first of all, 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.480 I said, first of all, I don't. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.080 Think it's that it's going to be that big of 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:40.880 a movie either. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.240 I said, you said that to you, and so, like 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.200 you know, I said, but considering where the group is 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.719 right now, because where the group was at the time 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:53.600 was Jeffrey and Jody had split. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.800 I had told I told Dick at the time. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.120 I said, well, maybe this is a good time for 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.840 me to do a solo thing, do my solo thing, 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.480 because we had always talked about that. And Dick says, well, no, 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.000 you got two and a half more years left on 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:13.360 this contract and so Shalamar contract, and you can either 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.840 spend it doing nothing or you can go to court 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.160 and get out of it, try and get out of it, 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.200 or you can do another Shalamar project and ride this 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.480 contract out. I wasn't gonna sit around not do nothing exactly. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:34.160 I can't exactly, and and I and I and it 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.360 was just it was like, you know, I hate court. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.400 You know, court is like throwing dice. You know, you 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.520 don't know what the judge is going to come back with. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.560 So I avoid court as much. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.680 As possible throughout my whole career. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.400 And uh and so like I said, okay, we're going 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.800 to do another Shalamar project. And when this, when the 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.080 Footloose thing came up, I said, I think that it 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.240 would be a good look for it because even though 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.200 I don't think it's gonna be that big of a 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:09.280 movie famous last words, right, I don't think it's gonna 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.440 be that big of a movie, it would still be 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.320 a good look for the group to be associated with 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:19.720 a paramount and a crossover projects. It was it was 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.040 gonna be, it was gonna do one thing we did know, 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.040 his first big movie, and so like, you know, I said, 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:28.160 I think, you know, I think. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:28.640 We're gonna do it. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.440 And then they pulled in this cap Bill Wolfer, who 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:35.200 ended up producing Dancing in the Sheets and so and 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:39.319 Dancing in the Sheets was the second biggest selling single 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:44.040 Shalamar had up under second time around Wow, and you. 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:45.680 Know it was crazy. It was crazy. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.160 But I mean, like I you know, I do, I'll 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:52.200 do dancing in the sheets sometimes we'll do it. We 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:57.240 just really started incorporated into the show with with Shalamar now, 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:01.280 which is me Jeffrey Jeffrey Dan and you ain't Carolyn Griffy, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.360 you know, but yeah, we get we'll get out there 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.200 and we'll do we'll do dancing in the seats, especially 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:12.160 overseas because you have a large white audience over there 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.600 and they're familiar with it. But if we do it 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.680 when we're here, you know, my my couple of white 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.840 white folks to get up and start dancing while brothers 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:23.000 and sisters. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.120 Is in there, like what the hell? 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:24.520 You know? 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.560 That sound like new music? Please don't go anywhere. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.440 We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations masterclass. 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Welcome 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.920 back to Money Making Conversations master class with me Rashawn McDonald. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.240 But getting back to that, there's you know, just like 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.839 I always when when they when you're talking, when people 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.200 talk about new music, are you doing new music? 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:09.640 You don't, Thank God, Rashan. 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.000 It's that I'm at the point of my career where, 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.800 like you know, people like you said they want to 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:16.559 hear the hiss. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.680 I went to see. I went to see a group. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.600 I'm not even gonna say who it is, but big group, 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:26.040 popular group, nothing but hits, nothing but hiss. They came out. 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.800 When they came out, as soon as they hit the stage, 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:33.720 they're hitting. Everybody's up, everybody's moving, everybody's you know, grooving 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:37.960 and stuff. And then towards like forty five minutes into 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.040 the show or so, they they said, we're gonna do 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.880 some new music for you. Right now, people sat down, 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.320 they started talking. 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.559 About themselves going to the concession. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.760 You know, it treated like it was a break Yeah, 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:52.520 no exactly. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.120 And I'm sitting there and I'm sitting there peeping this, 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.400 I'm like, people don't want to hear it. As soon 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.280 as that fifteen to twenty minutes of that new music 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:01.679 was over, they. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:02.760 Start back into the hits. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.840 Everybody's up and they're moving for the rest for the 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.440 rest of the show, right, And I said, people don't 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.040 want to hear If you do new music, you. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:12.000 Got to set it up. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.200 You got to set it up the right way, you know, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.440 Like I'll challenge, Like I do a new song in 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.880 my show. Sometimes it's kind of a new song, a 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.400 song that that Leon Silvers and I wrote, Well Leon 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.120 wrote it and produce it and we did it, and 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.880 so like, you know, I've set it up with you know, 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.000 I want to do some new new material. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.559 I tell them, I said, I know, sometimes we do 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.720 new material is almost. 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.520 Like singing Japanese because because y'all got familiar with it. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.040 But then I but then I challenge. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.439 But I know I'm standing in front of a very 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.520 sophisticated audience tonight, isn't that right? 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:49.920 Yeah? 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.080 Okay, now I got Now, Now the setup for the 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.960 new music was set up, so it's cool. And plus 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.280 a lot of things that I do these these days 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.120 also are really intimate things, you know, like I'll do 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.800 the City Wineries, which is a real intimate crowd. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:10.760 So when you say that, Howard, because it's so entertaining 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:15.760 when you talk about it, because for decades, multi generational audiences, 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.120 you know, a parent or bring their daughter, and grandparents 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.960 bring their their daughter and their grandchild, you know, and 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.840 that's a beautiful experience to see that right in front 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.000 of you. But I know, as a fan, I got 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.400 to hear say amen. 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:31.920 Amen, I got some show. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.600 Every show ends with saying man since since almost since, 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.400 well since I did it, thank God, you know, back 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:39.960 in the day. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:41.559 So how did that song come about? 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:42.640 Man? 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.679 I always before I left the group, Before I left, shallamar, 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:49.640 I remember saying the prayer. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:50.080 A couple of years. 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:52.600 It was a couple of years before I left, and 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.440 right after Jeffrey and Jody are split not long after that. 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.720 But I remember saying a prayer and I said, Lord, 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.600 you know, when I'm by myself, when I'm responsible for 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.120 what I say, you know, not two other people in 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.080 the picture, not saying that they didn't believe, that they 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:15.199 didn't have a sense of belief or whatever. But songs 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:19.520 like say men and I did a complete inspirational album 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:24.520 some years ago. But those type of songs are personal. 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.960 Those are those I'm saying this is a personal thing. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.680 You know, thank God, people gravitated towards it. But in 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.000 the beginning, I want to thank you God for giving 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.440 me one more chance to raise my voice and senior praise. 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:38.560 That's a personal statement. 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.160 So I made a promise then that every album that 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.600 I did, every solo album that I did, I would 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.920 always honor honor him, you know, God Christ's Holy Spirit 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.319 on every album. And Same Men was the first one. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.800 A lot of people there was a lot of stuff 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.720 going on in my life at the time, so a 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:03.000 lot of people kind of you know, equated that to that, 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.520 but that wasn't what was going on. I had written 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.079 that song, you know, the Lord gave me that song 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:13.360 that about two or three months before all this craziness 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:18.599 went down, and and so like it was basically myself, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.200 Monty and Monte Seward. 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.240 That was one of the first songs. That was the 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.200 first song we ever wrote together, which we So let 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:26.640 me ask. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.680 You this, because how music like that, Because you know, 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.760 Charlam Maul, you're an R and B star, you know 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:32.880 all this stuff. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:34.560 Did you go gospel like that? 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:39.040 How do you, how does one transition that to get 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.200 the airplane Because people can pigion hold you. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.840 Yeah, they can pitchon, they can pigeonhole you and stuff. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.760 Those those things that's literally rashone. Those are those are 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.440 things that you got to leave up to the Lord. Okay, 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.280 you know what I'm saying. I didn't know. I didn't 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.040 know how you know it was going to be accepted. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.920 All I knew is that I made a promise to 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.800 the Lord to do that, and that that was the 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:03.280 main thing. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.400 It wasn't about, Okay, how is this going to be 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:07.240 accepted by. 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.200 The R and B field or the or the gospel 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.120 or the church situation, and how. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.760 It's going to be accepted from there. It wasn't about that. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.920 It was a promise that I made to God, which 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.640 was way more important to me than how it was accepted. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.240 But when it was accepted, how did you feel? 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:25.080 I felt great? 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.440 I felt I felt I felt amazing because it so 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.160 for one thing, it showed me that people are are 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:36.840 ready to accept that type of situation, accept that type 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:41.920 of of suggesting and honesty and honesty as far as 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.520 like you know where your music is and the whole thing, 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.960 and it's like you know, you you you know, it's 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:52.200 you look at you know, the things in your life 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.280 and the things that go on in your life and 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:59.040 the things that you allowed to because you know this 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.800 is this is a public life, you know, but there's 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:06.520 still some things that you want to keep you know private, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:07.640 you know what I'm saying. 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:09.080 But those type of. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.880 Things I believe are things that you should always you know, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.120 because because he's not a shame to you, right, so 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.600 you can't be shamed to him, you know what I'm saying. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:18.920 Stay with us. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:26.800 More Money Making Conversation master Lass coming up next. Welcome 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.760 back to Money Making Conversation Master Class hosted by me 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:30.960 Rashawn McDonald. 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:32.400 Let's get back into it. 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.640 It's really interesting when I look at your solo career 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.800 and then the career that you had with Charloma Howard. 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.320 Okay, because that was an up. 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:42.120 Tempo you know dance, you know, really make that move 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:46.000 time you've all done music always don't feel good music. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.760 Let's just put that out, you know, solo all with them, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:54.760 But there tend to be like a slower beat on 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.120 your solo career versus what you isn't the producers that 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.280 came into your life. Oh, that's just your style. 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.520 Is my style. It was like what I was really, 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:04.840 what I was about. 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.000 I love I love you know, romantic music, right, I 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:08.879 love you know. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:14.200 Uh, you know relation what I call them relation trips. 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.879 Which means that's what R and B used to be. 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.320 Yeah, okay, exactly exactly. 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.000 I don't want dive it so fast. But R and 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:24.160 B has changed. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.920 Yeah, well, George Duke used to say. So used to say, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.679 how well you know what R and B stands for? 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.640 I said, what is that? He said, replaced by? Replaced by. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:38.199 Everybody tries to replace something with R and B with 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.879 something else. But R and B is the foundation. R 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.480 and B is a foundation of rock. R and B 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.600 is the foundation of hip hop. It's the foundation of 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.359 neo soul, it's foundation of all that stuff. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:52.040 You know. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:56.440 So you can't replace a foundation, you know, a foundation 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:59.960 can only make something stronger. Like I used to always 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:04.400 look at the houses, Like when in my neighborhood when 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:05.760 I was a kid, they. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:06.320 Used to build. 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.080 You know, there was a lot, somebody buy the lot 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.240 and they start building the house. Well, they first thing 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.120 they do is dig the hole for the basement and 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.440 the foundation of that house. It took him forever because 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.640 we always have dirt dirt ball. 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.920 Fights, you know, because the big old piles of dirt. 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.679 So they took him forever to build this foundation, you know, 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.960 reinforce still, reinforce, cement, whatever, And they take forever to 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.880 build the foundation of this house. Once the foundation was done, 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.920 the house boom boom boom boom boom would go up. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:40.719 You know. 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:45.800 And if you built that foundation strong enough, you can 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.120 even tear that house down and build a whole nother 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:50.080 house on top of it. 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:50.560 That's right. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.600 So I started, you know, as I got older, I 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:58.560 started looking at that analogy as far as life is concerned, right, 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.680 you know, foundation, what kind of foundation are you laying 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.840 down for your life? And if you if you take 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:11.720 that thing seriously and lay a strong foundation, strong enough foundation, 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.200 you can build two, three, four different lives on top 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.080 of that hole, that one foundation. But as long as 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.679 you got that one thing happening strong enough, you know 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.520 what I'm saying right then, Like you know. 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.879 Because foundation is the key to relationships, everything, you know, 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:27.800 everything you do. 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.399 If you don't have a foundation, you don't have anything. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:35.720 Yeah, if they didn't make this chair with the right 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:36.840 nuts and bolts. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.280 I'd be sitting here in Bam. 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.800 It'll fall down and eventually. 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:41.760 You know, when I look at the songs, you know, 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.280 of course, you know, a night to remember, Charlama, second 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:46.520 time around, Charlama. 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.719 This is for the lover and you or all these songs. 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.439 Either I want to move or I want because I 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.040 got you know, I can't remember the whole. 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:02.440 Song, you know, the hook, the hook. 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.000 But that's the thing is and and it's it's like 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.320 I said, you know, with my shows and stuff, I 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.240 love it when I come out because the first part 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.119 of my shows are always Howard Hewitt stuff. Okay, and 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:16.880 I say in the show, I'm gonna take you back 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.239 to some old Howard Hewitt, to some old Salamar and 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:21.399 then we're gonna praise. 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.000 The Lord and get up, get up out of here. 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.680 So it's like you know, I do the the first 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.000