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Speaker 1: get this podcast started. He's here again. I have to
Speaker 1: make this a two parter. Two parter. I'm so blessed
Speaker 1: that he's stayed with me. You know, entertainment career spanning
Speaker 1: more than four decades. Known for his smooth tenor and
Speaker 1: emotional delivery, his voice remains one of the most recognizable
Speaker 1: in R and B and soul music history. He captivates
Speaker 1: audience worldwide before with both Charlamar as well as solo
Speaker 1: artists himself when he left Charlama. That's bringing fans the
Speaker 1: best of both worlds, the group's iconic classics and his
Speaker 1: timeless solo hits. As we discussed in the previous we
Speaker 1: talked about how the career started. He was a dreamer,
Speaker 1: like all people, you're dreamer. Now you're not dreaming anymore.
Speaker 1: You're doing collaborations. I gotta jump right to the new
Speaker 1: collaboration you're doing with Ronnie Lass.
Speaker 3: Ronnie laws Man.
Speaker 4: You know Ronnie. Ronnie is like an interesting cat man.
Speaker 4: We've been friends for years and years, but.
Speaker 2: Running laws out of Houston, Texas.
Speaker 3: Ranny Laws, right.
Speaker 4: And it was funny because I was sitting in and
Speaker 4: how I forget which houses I think I was in.
Speaker 4: I think I was in wood Ranch, a place called
Speaker 4: wood Rats. Then that's what the household was in. And uh,
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there the middle afternoon and like my doorbell
Speaker 4: rings right, and I go to the door and open
Speaker 4: it is running right, and he looks to me.
Speaker 3: I look at him. He says, Howard, Ronnie, what's up man?
Speaker 3: How you doing?
Speaker 4: And you know, Ronnie's Jehovah witness, so so like he
Speaker 4: was doing his house the house thing. The witnessing thing,
Speaker 4: and and he just happened to come come to the
Speaker 4: crib and like we sat, we sat and talked for
Speaker 4: for a while. You know, as far as that was concerned,
Speaker 4: I knew all about Jehovah Witness.
Speaker 3: And my sister was Jehovah witness.
Speaker 4: For years and uh. But then you know, we stayed
Speaker 4: in contact and stuff. And then finally fast forwarding to
Speaker 4: about I think I think we recorded uh this thing
Speaker 4: about a year year and a half or so ago,
Speaker 4: and he got in touch with me and and a
Speaker 4: ribbon in the sky Steve Stevie.
Speaker 3: Want is one of his one of his many many
Speaker 3: hits was one of Ronnie's.
Speaker 4: Uh, his wife who just passed away, that was that
Speaker 4: was one of her favorite songs.
Speaker 1: Let me this, Let me ask you how when you're
Speaker 1: doing a song like that, do you have to get
Speaker 1: permission from the artists?
Speaker 4: You talk to the artists, you know, sometimes there's a
Speaker 4: permission thing.
Speaker 3: You know, Like I did a cover.
Speaker 4: Of of uh, a Bob Dylan song just like a Woman,
Speaker 4: and we called the people, the publishing and the publishing
Speaker 4: his publishing people, and they gave their their you know,
Speaker 4: their approval, They gave their stamp of approval of it.
Speaker 4: But then we have to get permission to do it.
Speaker 4: That's that's a whole other thing. I believe, as far
Speaker 4: as long as you make sure all the publishing and
Speaker 4: everything writers publishing goes in the right directions, in the
Speaker 4: right channels and stuff.
Speaker 3: He said, you know, it's pretty much things.
Speaker 1: You know, let's talk about that because this is new music.
Speaker 1: And then you have a staple of people or don't
Speaker 1: want to hear new music. They want to hear it.
Speaker 1: They you know, they won't shit around. They keep down,
Speaker 1: hugged up, ready to sing. They want to hear Charlama.
Speaker 1: They want to hear your solo. Say amen, you know
Speaker 1: if you if you left the stage, I did a
Speaker 1: concert without saying they say, it'll be a right. Some
Speaker 1: people just come in for just that one song. So
Speaker 1: how do you balance howard new music which you have
Speaker 1: to do. It's an artist you you you you you're
Speaker 1: creative soul. But then you you left Charlamar. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about why you left them, and then the nervousness of
Speaker 1: building a solo career.
Speaker 4: It was like leaving leaving the group because a lot
Speaker 4: of people ask that question, and and there was like
Speaker 4: you know it was for me, it was more or
Speaker 4: less just a natural progression. Okay, you know what I'm
Speaker 4: saying when Jeffrey and Jody, because Jeffrey and Jody split
Speaker 4: it first. A lot of people think I split first,
Speaker 4: but Jeffrey and Jody split first.
Speaker 3: In fact, when we did.
Speaker 4: When we did, when I I did uh dancing in
Speaker 4: the Sheets, the tune that was on the Footlooks soundtrack,
Speaker 4: it was like at the time, it was funny because
Speaker 4: because Leon Silvers, because this cat, Dean Pitchford is the
Speaker 4: cat that did he wrote all the music for Ford
Speaker 4: for the Footloose movie. Right, So he called me and
Speaker 4: Leon Silvers, who Leon is our producer, uh, and wanted
Speaker 4: us to come watch a rough cut of of of Footloods.
Speaker 4: They had all all temporary music in there and stuff.
Speaker 3: So we go to.
Speaker 4: Paramount, right the Paramount Studios. We's sitting in this little
Speaker 4: this little theater and watch it. And then Dean Pitchford
Speaker 4: tells us what where he wants the Shalamar song or whatever,
Speaker 4: and we're dancing in the sheets, a song that he
Speaker 4: had written, and so like you know, he tells us,
Speaker 4: you know, and so like you know, Leon and I
Speaker 4: are walking back to the to the to the parking lot,
Speaker 4: right and I asked Leon, I said.
Speaker 3: Well, what do you think?
Speaker 4: And Leon says, man, I got a I got I
Speaker 4: got a lot on my plate right now, you know,
Speaker 4: he said. And then he says, and I don't think
Speaker 4: it's going to be that big of a movie for this.
Speaker 5: And so he said, I got a lot on my plate.
Speaker 3: He said, I might not be able to work that in.
Speaker 3: You know. He said, well, what do you think?
Speaker 4: I said, Well, I said, considering, I said, first of all,
Speaker 4: I said, first of all, I don't.
Speaker 3: Think it's that it's going to be that big of
Speaker 3: a movie either.
Speaker 4: I said, you said that to you, and so, like
Speaker 4: you know, I said, but considering where the group is
Speaker 4: right now, because where the group was at the time
Speaker 4: was Jeffrey and Jody had split.
Speaker 3: I had told I told Dick at the time.
Speaker 4: I said, well, maybe this is a good time for
Speaker 4: me to do a solo thing, do my solo thing,
Speaker 4: because we had always talked about that. And Dick says, well, no,
Speaker 4: you got two and a half more years left on
Speaker 4: this contract and so Shalamar contract, and you can either
Speaker 4: spend it doing nothing or you can go to court
Speaker 4: and get out of it, try and get out of it,
Speaker 4: or you can do another Shalamar project and ride this
Speaker 4: contract out. I wasn't gonna sit around not do nothing exactly.
Speaker 4: I can't exactly, and and I and I and it
Speaker 4: was just it was like, you know, I hate court.
Speaker 4: You know, court is like throwing dice. You know, you
Speaker 4: don't know what the judge is going to come back with.
Speaker 4: So I avoid court as much.
Speaker 3: As possible throughout my whole career.
Speaker 4: And uh and so like I said, okay, we're going
Speaker 4: to do another Shalamar project. And when this, when the
Speaker 4: Footloose thing came up, I said, I think that it
Speaker 4: would be a good look for it because even though
Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna be that big of a
Speaker 4: movie famous last words, right, I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 4: be that big of a movie, it would still be
Speaker 4: a good look for the group to be associated with
Speaker 4: a paramount and a crossover projects. It was it was
Speaker 4: gonna be, it was gonna do one thing we did know,
Speaker 4: his first big movie, and so like, you know, I said,
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do it.
Speaker 4: And then they pulled in this cap Bill Wolfer, who
Speaker 4: ended up producing Dancing in the Sheets and so and
Speaker 4: Dancing in the Sheets was the second biggest selling single
Speaker 4: Shalamar had up under second time around Wow, and you.
Speaker 3: Know it was crazy. It was crazy.
Speaker 4: But I mean, like I you know, I do, I'll
Speaker 4: do dancing in the sheets sometimes we'll do it. We
Speaker 4: just really started incorporated into the show with with Shalamar now,
Speaker 4: which is me Jeffrey Jeffrey Dan and you ain't Carolyn Griffy,
Speaker 4: you know, but yeah, we get we'll get out there
Speaker 4: and we'll do we'll do dancing in the seats, especially
Speaker 4: overseas because you have a large white audience over there
Speaker 4: and they're familiar with it. But if we do it
Speaker 4: when we're here, you know, my my couple of white
Speaker 4: white folks to get up and start dancing while brothers
Speaker 4: and sisters.
Speaker 3: Is in there, like what the hell?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: That sound like new music? Please don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 4: But getting back to that, there's you know, just like
Speaker 4: I always when when they when you're talking, when people
Speaker 4: talk about new music, are you doing new music?
Speaker 3: You don't, Thank God, Rashan.
Speaker 4: It's that I'm at the point of my career where,
Speaker 4: like you know, people like you said they want to
Speaker 4: hear the hiss.
Speaker 3: I went to see. I went to see a group.
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna say who it is, but big group,
Speaker 4: popular group, nothing but hits, nothing but hiss. They came out.
Speaker 4: When they came out, as soon as they hit the stage,
Speaker 4: they're hitting. Everybody's up, everybody's moving, everybody's you know, grooving
Speaker 4: and stuff. And then towards like forty five minutes into
Speaker 4: the show or so, they they said, we're gonna do
Speaker 4: some new music for you. Right now, people sat down,
Speaker 4: they started talking.
Speaker 5: About themselves going to the concession.
Speaker 3: You know, it treated like it was a break Yeah,
Speaker 3: no exactly.
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting there and I'm sitting there peeping this,
Speaker 4: I'm like, people don't want to hear it. As soon
Speaker 4: as that fifteen to twenty minutes of that new music
Speaker 4: was over, they.
Speaker 3: Start back into the hits.
Speaker 4: Everybody's up and they're moving for the rest for the
Speaker 4: rest of the show, right, And I said, people don't
Speaker 4: want to hear If you do new music, you.
Speaker 3: Got to set it up.
Speaker 4: You got to set it up the right way, you know,
Speaker 4: Like I'll challenge, Like I do a new song in
Speaker 4: my show. Sometimes it's kind of a new song, a
Speaker 4: song that that Leon Silvers and I wrote, Well Leon
Speaker 4: wrote it and produce it and we did it, and
Speaker 4: so like, you know, I've set it up with you know,
Speaker 4: I want to do some new new material.
Speaker 3: I tell them, I said, I know, sometimes we do
Speaker 3: new material is almost.
Speaker 4: Like singing Japanese because because y'all got familiar with it.
Speaker 3: But then I but then I challenge.
Speaker 4: But I know I'm standing in front of a very
Speaker 4: sophisticated audience tonight, isn't that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, now I got Now, Now the setup for the
Speaker 4: new music was set up, so it's cool. And plus
Speaker 4: a lot of things that I do these these days
Speaker 4: also are really intimate things, you know, like I'll do
Speaker 4: the City Wineries, which is a real intimate crowd.
Speaker 1: So when you say that, Howard, because it's so entertaining
Speaker 1: when you talk about it, because for decades, multi generational audiences,
Speaker 1: you know, a parent or bring their daughter, and grandparents
Speaker 1: bring their their daughter and their grandchild, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful experience to see that right in front
Speaker 1: of you. But I know, as a fan, I got
Speaker 1: to hear say amen.
Speaker 3: Amen, I got some show.
Speaker 4: Every show ends with saying man since since almost since,
Speaker 4: well since I did it, thank God, you know, back
Speaker 4: in the day.
Speaker 2: So how did that song come about?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: I always before I left the group, Before I left, shallamar,
Speaker 4: I remember saying the prayer.
Speaker 3: A couple of years.
Speaker 4: It was a couple of years before I left, and
Speaker 4: right after Jeffrey and Jody are split not long after that.
Speaker 4: But I remember saying a prayer and I said, Lord,
Speaker 4: you know, when I'm by myself, when I'm responsible for
Speaker 4: what I say, you know, not two other people in
Speaker 4: the picture, not saying that they didn't believe, that they
Speaker 4: didn't have a sense of belief or whatever. But songs
Speaker 4: like say men and I did a complete inspirational album
Speaker 4: some years ago. But those type of songs are personal.
Speaker 4: Those are those I'm saying this is a personal thing.
Speaker 4: You know, thank God, people gravitated towards it. But in
Speaker 4: the beginning, I want to thank you God for giving
Speaker 4: me one more chance to raise my voice and senior praise.
Speaker 3: That's a personal statement.
Speaker 4: So I made a promise then that every album that
Speaker 4: I did, every solo album that I did, I would
Speaker 4: always honor honor him, you know, God Christ's Holy Spirit
Speaker 4: on every album. And Same Men was the first one.
Speaker 4: A lot of people there was a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: going on in my life at the time, so a
Speaker 4: lot of people kind of you know, equated that to that,
Speaker 4: but that wasn't what was going on. I had written
Speaker 4: that song, you know, the Lord gave me that song
Speaker 4: that about two or three months before all this craziness
Speaker 4: went down, and and so like it was basically myself,
Speaker 4: Monty and Monte Seward.
Speaker 3: That was one of the first songs. That was the
Speaker 3: first song we ever wrote together, which we So let
Speaker 3: me ask.
Speaker 1: You this, because how music like that, Because you know,
Speaker 1: Charlam Maul, you're an R and B star, you know
Speaker 1: all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Did you go gospel like that?
Speaker 1: How do you, how does one transition that to get
Speaker 1: the airplane Because people can pigion hold you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they can pitchon, they can pigeonhole you and stuff.
Speaker 4: Those those things that's literally rashone. Those are those are
Speaker 4: things that you got to leave up to the Lord. Okay,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I didn't know. I didn't
Speaker 4: know how you know it was going to be accepted.
Speaker 4: All I knew is that I made a promise to
Speaker 4: the Lord to do that, and that that was the
Speaker 4: main thing.
Speaker 3: It wasn't about, Okay, how is this going to be
Speaker 3: accepted by.
Speaker 4: The R and B field or the or the gospel
Speaker 4: or the church situation, and how.
Speaker 3: It's going to be accepted from there. It wasn't about that.
Speaker 4: It was a promise that I made to God, which
Speaker 4: was way more important to me than how it was accepted.
Speaker 2: But when it was accepted, how did you feel?
Speaker 3: I felt great?
Speaker 4: I felt I felt I felt amazing because it so
Speaker 4: for one thing, it showed me that people are are
Speaker 4: ready to accept that type of situation, accept that type
Speaker 4: of of suggesting and honesty and honesty as far as
Speaker 4: like you know where your music is and the whole thing,
Speaker 4: and it's like you know, you you you know, it's
Speaker 4: you look at you know, the things in your life
Speaker 4: and the things that go on in your life and
Speaker 4: the things that you allowed to because you know this
Speaker 4: is this is a public life, you know, but there's
Speaker 4: still some things that you want to keep you know private,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But those type of.
Speaker 4: Things I believe are things that you should always you know,
Speaker 4: because because he's not a shame to you, right, so
Speaker 4: you can't be shamed to him, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: Let's get back into it.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting when I look at your solo career
Speaker 1: and then the career that you had with Charloma Howard.
Speaker 2: Okay, because that was an up.
Speaker 1: Tempo you know dance, you know, really make that move
Speaker 1: time you've all done music always don't feel good music.
Speaker 1: Let's just put that out, you know, solo all with them,
Speaker 1: But there tend to be like a slower beat on
Speaker 1: your solo career versus what you isn't the producers that
Speaker 1: came into your life. Oh, that's just your style.
Speaker 3: Is my style. It was like what I was really,
Speaker 3: what I was about.
Speaker 4: I love I love you know, romantic music, right, I
Speaker 4: love you know.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know relation what I call them relation trips.
Speaker 2: Which means that's what R and B used to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: I don't want dive it so fast. But R and
Speaker 2: B has changed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, George Duke used to say. So used to say,
Speaker 4: how well you know what R and B stands for?
Speaker 3: I said, what is that? He said, replaced by? Replaced by.
Speaker 4: Everybody tries to replace something with R and B with
Speaker 4: something else. But R and B is the foundation. R
Speaker 4: and B is a foundation of rock. R and B
Speaker 4: is the foundation of hip hop. It's the foundation of
Speaker 4: neo soul, it's foundation of all that stuff.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: So you can't replace a foundation, you know, a foundation
Speaker 4: can only make something stronger. Like I used to always
Speaker 4: look at the houses, Like when in my neighborhood when
Speaker 4: I was a kid, they.
Speaker 3: Used to build.
Speaker 4: You know, there was a lot, somebody buy the lot
Speaker 4: and they start building the house. Well, they first thing
Speaker 4: they do is dig the hole for the basement and
Speaker 4: the foundation of that house. It took him forever because
Speaker 4: we always have dirt dirt ball.
Speaker 3: Fights, you know, because the big old piles of dirt.
Speaker 4: So they took him forever to build this foundation, you know,
Speaker 4: reinforce still, reinforce, cement, whatever, And they take forever to
Speaker 4: build the foundation of this house. Once the foundation was done,
Speaker 4: the house boom boom boom boom boom would go up.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: And if you built that foundation strong enough, you can
Speaker 4: even tear that house down and build a whole nother
Speaker 4: house on top of it.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: So I started, you know, as I got older, I
Speaker 4: started looking at that analogy as far as life is concerned, right,
Speaker 4: you know, foundation, what kind of foundation are you laying
Speaker 4: down for your life? And if you if you take
Speaker 4: that thing seriously and lay a strong foundation, strong enough foundation,
Speaker 4: you can build two, three, four different lives on top
Speaker 4: of that hole, that one foundation. But as long as
Speaker 4: you got that one thing happening strong enough, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying right then, Like you know.
Speaker 2: Because foundation is the key to relationships, everything, you know,
Speaker 2: everything you do.
Speaker 1: If you don't have a foundation, you don't have anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if they didn't make this chair with the right
Speaker 4: nuts and bolts.
Speaker 3: I'd be sitting here in Bam.
Speaker 5: It'll fall down and eventually.
Speaker 1: You know, when I look at the songs, you know,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, a night to remember, Charlama, second
Speaker 1: time around, Charlama.
Speaker 2: This is for the lover and you or all these songs.
Speaker 1: Either I want to move or I want because I
Speaker 1: got you know, I can't remember the whole.
Speaker 3: Song, you know, the hook, the hook.
Speaker 4: But that's the thing is and and it's it's like
Speaker 4: I said, you know, with my shows and stuff, I
Speaker 4: love it when I come out because the first part
Speaker 4: of my shows are always Howard Hewitt stuff. Okay, and
Speaker 4: I say in the show, I'm gonna take you back
Speaker 4: to some old Howard Hewitt, to some old Salamar and
Speaker 4: then we're gonna praise.
Speaker 3: The Lord and get up, get up out of here.
Speaker 4: So it's like you know, I do the the first
Speaker 4: part of the show is Howard Hewitt basically. So and
Speaker 4: that's that's when you sit and like you know, fellas,
Speaker 4: put your arm around your woman, like I tell them
Speaker 4: during the show, put you just repeat after me whatever
Speaker 4: and now that and then and and I tell me
Speaker 4: you're gonna thank me later on, you know. So and
Speaker 4: then once we get past you know, the Howard Hewitt stuff,
Speaker 4: then then the time to get up.
Speaker 3: And dance is when it's the second time around. Make
Speaker 3: that move for the love and your unise.
Speaker 2: I would give a.
Speaker 1: Little personal here out because it's about longevity, you know
Speaker 1: for decades. Yeah, when you when you went to California,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't thinking about thirty forty, fifty, sixty, low seventy,
Speaker 1: you know. But we all want to live a good life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what does it take to live a good life?
Speaker 4: I think integrity is one of the most one of
Speaker 4: the most important things. That you're yes, be or yes
Speaker 4: and you're nob yar no, that's biblical, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So integrity is is very important to me
Speaker 4: in life. You know, looking at you're gonna you know,
Speaker 4: am I am I perfect? By no means am I perfect?
Speaker 4: Do I believe in what I believe in totally completely, God, Christ,
Speaker 4: the Holy Spirit? Stay true to that? For me, I
Speaker 4: have to stay true to that.
Speaker 2: Where did that come from?
Speaker 3: Uh? This came from our foundation again.
Speaker 4: I started out in in gospel, in the in the
Speaker 4: in the gospel situation when I was ten eleven, twelve, thirteen,
Speaker 4: fourteen years old, and my mom was a gospel promoter,
Speaker 4: you know in the acron Cleveland cat area. And plus
Speaker 4: she had a radio broadcast for like thirty or forty years.
Speaker 4: She was eventually inducted into the Radio Ohio Radio Hall
Speaker 4: of Fans awesome, and so her when she would do
Speaker 4: her shows, she would bring in people like James Cleveland,
Speaker 4: Albatina Walker and the Caravans when Shirley Caesar was still
Speaker 4: with him, Pilgrim, Jubilee, Soul Stirs, Volinaires, Swan, silver Tones,
Speaker 4: five Line Everybody, and so like once our group, which
Speaker 4: was called the Hewett Singers, I was the lead singer
Speaker 4: and three of my sisters backed me up once we
Speaker 4: were in shape enough to do shows. Of course, nepotism
Speaker 4: was live and well in our family. So we would
Speaker 4: open up for every show that my mom would bring in,
Speaker 4: and then during the summer we would we would go
Speaker 4: out on the little gospel.
Speaker 2: To get another nugget.
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about Howard, so that even ties say
Speaker 1: a mint either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a natural correlation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Although I look at say Man, I look at say
Speaker 4: Man as inspirational music.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't look at it as gospel.
Speaker 4: Gospel, Gospel is a whole another thing which I have
Speaker 4: totally respect for. But when when I think about gospel,
Speaker 4: I think about Shirley Caesar. I thought about think about
Speaker 4: the quartets and stuff and casts like that Highway QCs.
Speaker 3: And all those cat back in the day.
Speaker 1: That's a different beat now, yeah, a different calling to
Speaker 1: different calling.
Speaker 4: And it's like and it was one that as a kid,
Speaker 4: I had to make that decision as to whether I
Speaker 4: wanted to stay in the gospel situation or go to
Speaker 4: the R and B situation. Which one of my reasons
Speaker 4: when I when because I'm writing a book, putting my
Speaker 4: little chat and stuff together, and when I finally stopped procrastinating,
Speaker 4: I'll get I'll get consistent with it. But one of
Speaker 4: the things, one of the mindsets that I had at
Speaker 4: that time was that, you know, I was fourteen, about
Speaker 4: fourteen years old, really starting to get into girls and
Speaker 4: and and loved loved women, love the girls, loved that
Speaker 4: whole thing, and and I knew that that was something
Speaker 4: that was going to be, you know, kind of prominent
Speaker 4: in my life. So did I want to stay in
Speaker 4: a field where I would feel like a hypocrite?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: You know as far.
Speaker 4: Even though even though I believe and my beliefs and
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff even now, but still at
Speaker 4: least I'm not sitting out there.
Speaker 3: Thank you Lord, thank you. Hey, what's your name?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying and not saying, not not
Speaker 4: judging or whatever, but I just yeah, and I just
Speaker 4: underspent exactly, especially the respect for what you what you say.
Speaker 3: You believe that.
Speaker 1: There was a couple of things before we wrap up here.
Speaker 1: I got to bring up I know we're talking we
Speaker 1: on fun here cooking now you know, now you know
Speaker 1: because I didn't. I didn't realize you love. Your love
Speaker 1: for cooking ook till I read your bio. Okay, you
Speaker 1: know I know everything about Howard okay, except to cook
Speaker 1: it because you know my on my social media, I
Speaker 1: have Rushawn's kitchen, so I love. I cooked chid lings
Speaker 1: onions and I posted they eat me up. Don't matter
Speaker 1: what the slave food. But I just love down home cooking.
Speaker 1: Tell us about your love for cooking.
Speaker 3: You know, I love cooking.
Speaker 4: The thing the thing that I got into cooking for
Speaker 4: was basically, I like I always say, I cooked well
Speaker 4: enough not to starve. And there's certain things that I've
Speaker 4: gravitate to ma, and I've mastered for myself, you know,
Speaker 4: chicken wings and all that kind of stuff and and
Speaker 4: uh seasonings, different guys of seasonings and.
Speaker 2: Know all that.
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm not a gourmet cook. I've been
Speaker 4: I've been married a couple of times where I had you.
Speaker 3: Know, uh, my wife was a mat so I know
Speaker 3: what a go made.
Speaker 4: But like again, I'm you know, I'm not married now,
Speaker 4: so I had to I had to figure certain things out,
Speaker 4: you know, along the way, a long way, the path
Speaker 4: through the kitchen, the path and to not starving.
Speaker 1: Because you know, we were joking off off flying that guy.
Speaker 1: It's not really a joke, you know. We you know,
Speaker 1: we live our lives. You know, Uh, you've hit seventy.
Speaker 1: I'm two years behind down there, you know, And we
Speaker 1: was laughing. Steve Harbor right in the middle of both
Speaker 1: of us, Okay, and I look at the mirror. I
Speaker 1: don't know what seventy looked like, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: but you don't look like man.
Speaker 3: Thank god.
Speaker 4: The biggest, the biggest thing when I turned seventy, the
Speaker 4: biggest thing that I thought about was I thank god,
Speaker 4: it doesn't look like what I thought it was going
Speaker 4: to look like when I was thirty or forty years old. Right,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, Man, I'm gonna be on a on a
Speaker 4: walker and there's a back aching. But no, it's it's
Speaker 4: you know, you you figure you figure stuff out. I
Speaker 4: believe as you go along and you figure out, you know,
Speaker 4: the things that are important. I think that you live
Speaker 4: because somebody has said something about.
Speaker 3: I read the other just the.
Speaker 4: Other day, how you you know, the way that you
Speaker 4: live your life, the things that you allow allow to
Speaker 4: come into your life, the stress or or drama that
Speaker 4: you allow to come into your life. And I stress
Speaker 4: that allow the word, because that's the thing. We have
Speaker 4: a choice. You know, God even gave us a choice
Speaker 4: whether to follow him or not, right, so we have
Speaker 4: a choice as to what we allow to come into
Speaker 4: our lives. You know, some people say, well, but you
Speaker 4: have to No, No, you have control over all that stuff.
Speaker 4: You got total control over all that stuff and what
Speaker 4: you allow. And I refuse to allow, you know, drama,
Speaker 4: I refuse to allow stress. I just went through a
Speaker 4: thing and which just just just solidified my whole concept
Speaker 4: of that whole thing. For two weeks, I was going
Speaker 4: through I'm not even going to get into it right
Speaker 4: now as far as because it was some craziness, but
Speaker 4: it was drama.
Speaker 1: It was drama as you said. You know, drama can
Speaker 1: impack your heart.
Speaker 3: Yep, every n your sleep.
Speaker 2: That's stress and how you do it.
Speaker 1: And that's the whole part about health, delivering and controlling
Speaker 1: that moment and when you go through that, because that's
Speaker 1: an entertainer. I always tell people you're a small business owner,
Speaker 1: which means that you're putting food on the table. Nobody
Speaker 1: paying for your insurance. Nobody's saying you're gonna get paid
Speaker 1: fifteen or thirty dollars an hour. I'll give you forty
Speaker 1: hours a week to pay because you just don't know.
Speaker 1: A tour can cancel, somebody might not show up. You
Speaker 1: might get an album deal and the label goes bankrupt.
Speaker 1: There are no guarantees in anything, especially when you're a
Speaker 1: small business owner. If you were to give somebody advice
Speaker 1: as a small business owner, what would that be, hout.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but what you're talking about is like
Speaker 4: a perfect example COVID. When COVID comes in, my schedule
Speaker 4: had been the same for like thirty years. You know,
Speaker 4: you know, thank god. I never being concerned about having
Speaker 4: a gig has never been on my play of concern
Speaker 4: right the years, because thank god that foundation. You lay
Speaker 4: that foundation, so you were always you know some of
Speaker 4: the second time around, make them Some people work all
Speaker 4: their lives on one or two his I got second
Speaker 4: time around, make that move for lovering. You show me
Speaker 4: I'm for real. But I can go on on right
Speaker 4: out of fingers, run out of finger I got to
Speaker 4: go to the other hand, you know, and those are
Speaker 4: That's something that I thank god. But like this, as
Speaker 4: far as stress, like I said, somebody told me a
Speaker 4: long time ago, you know, stresses.
Speaker 3: Like a rock and chair.
Speaker 4: It gives you a lot to do, but when you
Speaker 4: get done, you're still in the same place.
Speaker 3: So what's the sense in it? What was the sense
Speaker 3: in the stress?
Speaker 4: Was?
Speaker 3: What was the whole?
Speaker 4: I remember, I was twenty two years old when I
Speaker 4: conscientiously started taking the word worry out of my vocabulary.
Speaker 4: And like it took a while, took years, from four
Speaker 4: by six, seven, eight years or whatever. But before as
Speaker 4: time went on, it got to be a situation where
Speaker 4: like I because one of the you have a big
Speaker 4: ocean liner. Okay, the thing that guides that that big
Speaker 4: ocean liner, that ship, and any boat, any boat. The
Speaker 4: thing that guides that boat through the water is that
Speaker 4: little rudder on the end. Little rudder compared to the
Speaker 4: you know, relative to the ship is little, you know,
Speaker 4: relative to the row boat.
Speaker 3: It is little, a little rudder.
Speaker 5: That's your tongue, man, Your tongue. Your tongue will get
Speaker 5: you in so much trouble and.
Speaker 4: Get you and so like you always for me is
Speaker 4: it was like, okay, I got to be aware of
Speaker 4: the things that I allow to come out of my mouth.
Speaker 4: Everything is a choice. Everything in life is a choice.
Speaker 4: It's a choice. And so you know, and and so
Speaker 4: at too. There was a situation that went down that
Speaker 4: I had a plan, a twenty two year old plan,
Speaker 4: my man in my mind that went crazy, you know,
Speaker 4: and like I'm.
Speaker 5: Like, oh, what the what am I going to do now?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: And I start worrying and weren't doing this doing that?
Speaker 4: And then I got a pamphlet from my church that
Speaker 4: I used to go to back when I was back
Speaker 4: at Akron.
Speaker 3: They had my mailing.
Speaker 4: Address, Pastor Fowler, the Arlington Street Church of God, and
Speaker 4: they my dad gave him my address. You know, I
Speaker 4: was about twenty twenty one, twenty two, and they used
Speaker 4: to send the pamphlet every every week, you know, that
Speaker 4: was happening every weekly thing.
Speaker 3: And on the back of the.
Speaker 4: East pamphlet, Pastor Follower would always pick a subject and
Speaker 4: he write a summary on it.
Speaker 5: And right when I was going through all this stuff.
Speaker 4: And I found out the tour got pushed back, and
Speaker 4: money all this and there's we were supposed to go
Speaker 4: to Helsinki, Finland, and as with the show group and stuff,
Speaker 4: and that got pushed back. And I'm worrying about this.
Speaker 4: I can't get the money for my dad because he
Speaker 4: had just sent me fifty bucks a week or so before,
Speaker 4: and so like you know, but I go to the mailbox,
Speaker 4: I get this paraphly. I look on the back of it,
Speaker 4: and on the back of it the subject that Pastor
Speaker 4: Fowler had had chosen was worried wo a sign of disbelief.
Speaker 4: In other words, if you know that you're a child
Speaker 4: of God, you say the God is my savior, you
Speaker 4: confessed with your mouth, believe in your heart that he
Speaker 4: was raised from the Daddy's your savior.
Speaker 3: And he takes care.
Speaker 4: Of those little birds and those little animals out there
Speaker 4: that don't even aren't even able to worship him. And
Speaker 4: you say that you're a child of God, what are
Speaker 4: you worried about? If you're a child of God, and
Speaker 4: if you truly believe that you're a child of God,
Speaker 4: what are you worried about? Why are you worried? It
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: I love it, I love it.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: He's the one and only.
Speaker 3: Howard are you man?
Speaker 2: Brother? Brother? Never will we part this long?
Speaker 5: Never ten years or so.
Speaker 2: I know you do.
Speaker 1: Just chicken wing, but I gotta bring you in Ushawann's kitchen.
Speaker 2: Man those chicken wing.
Speaker 1: But again, man, beautiful, beautiful interview, beautiful person.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on Money Making Class.
Speaker 3: Finally, finally.
Speaker 4: We've been talking about this a long time, so you know,
Speaker 4: but it's good seeing you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you for listening to this episode.
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