1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. I'm Rashon McDonald, a host of 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Well, we encourage people to stop 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: reading other people's success stories and start planning your own. Now, 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: you don't want to miss an episode, so please take 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: a moment right now to follow or subscribe to Money 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass. 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: It's free. 8 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: You can follow me on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your podcast. New Money Making 10 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: Conversations Masterclass episodes drop daily. 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He captivates 20 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: audience worldwide before with both Charlamar as well as solo 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: artists himself when he left Charlama. That's bringing fans the 22 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: best of both worlds, the group's iconic classics and his 23 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: timeless solo hits. As we discussed in the previous we 24 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: talked about how the career started. He was a dreamer, 25 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: like all people, you're dreamer. Now you're not dreaming anymore. 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: You're doing collaborations. I gotta jump right to the new 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: collaboration you're doing with Ronnie Lass. 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 3: Ronnie laws Man. 29 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 4: You know Ronnie. Ronnie is like an interesting cat man. 30 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 4: We've been friends for years and years, but. 31 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: Running laws out of Houston, Texas. 32 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 3: Ranny Laws, right. 33 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 4: And it was funny because I was sitting in and 34 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 4: how I forget which houses I think I was in. 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 4: I think I was in wood Ranch, a place called 36 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 4: wood Rats. Then that's what the household was in. And uh, 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 4: I'm sitting there the middle afternoon and like my doorbell 38 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 4: rings right, and I go to the door and open 39 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 4: it is running right, and he looks to me. 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: I look at him. He says, Howard, Ronnie, what's up man? 41 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: How you doing? 42 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 4: And you know, Ronnie's Jehovah witness, so so like he 43 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 4: was doing his house the house thing. The witnessing thing, 44 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 4: and and he just happened to come come to the 45 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: crib and like we sat, we sat and talked for 46 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 4: for a while. You know, as far as that was concerned, 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 4: I knew all about Jehovah Witness. 48 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: And my sister was Jehovah witness. 49 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 4: For years and uh. But then you know, we stayed 50 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 4: in contact and stuff. And then finally fast forwarding to 51 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: about I think I think we recorded uh this thing 52 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 4: about a year year and a half or so ago, 53 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 4: and he got in touch with me and and a 54 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 4: ribbon in the sky Steve Stevie. 55 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: Want is one of his one of his many many 56 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: hits was one of Ronnie's. 57 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 4: Uh, his wife who just passed away, that was that 58 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 4: was one of her favorite songs. 59 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: Let me this, Let me ask you how when you're 60 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: doing a song like that, do you have to get 61 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: permission from the artists? 62 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 4: You talk to the artists, you know, sometimes there's a 63 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 4: permission thing. 64 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: You know, Like I did a cover. 65 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 4: Of of uh, a Bob Dylan song just like a Woman, 66 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: and we called the people, the publishing and the publishing 67 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: his publishing people, and they gave their their you know, 68 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 4: their approval, They gave their stamp of approval of it. 69 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: But then we have to get permission to do it. 70 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: That's that's a whole other thing. I believe, as far 71 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 4: as long as you make sure all the publishing and 72 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: everything writers publishing goes in the right directions, in the 73 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 4: right channels and stuff. 74 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: He said, you know, it's pretty much things. 75 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: You know, let's talk about that because this is new music. 76 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: And then you have a staple of people or don't 77 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: want to hear new music. They want to hear it. 78 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: They you know, they won't shit around. They keep down, 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: hugged up, ready to sing. They want to hear Charlama. 80 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: They want to hear your solo. Say amen, you know 81 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: if you if you left the stage, I did a 82 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: concert without saying they say, it'll be a right. Some 83 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: people just come in for just that one song. So 84 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: how do you balance howard new music which you have 85 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: to do. It's an artist you you you you you're 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: creative soul. But then you you left Charlamar. Let's talk 87 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: about why you left them, and then the nervousness of 88 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: building a solo career. 89 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 4: It was like leaving leaving the group because a lot 90 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 4: of people ask that question, and and there was like 91 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: you know it was for me, it was more or 92 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: less just a natural progression. Okay, you know what I'm 93 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: saying when Jeffrey and Jody, because Jeffrey and Jody split 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: it first. A lot of people think I split first, 95 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 4: but Jeffrey and Jody split first. 96 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: In fact, when we did. 97 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 4: When we did, when I I did uh dancing in 98 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 4: the Sheets, the tune that was on the Footlooks soundtrack, 99 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 4: it was like at the time, it was funny because 100 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: because Leon Silvers, because this cat, Dean Pitchford is the 101 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: cat that did he wrote all the music for Ford 102 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 4: for the Footloose movie. Right, So he called me and 103 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 4: Leon Silvers, who Leon is our producer, uh, and wanted 104 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 4: us to come watch a rough cut of of of Footloods. 105 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 4: They had all all temporary music in there and stuff. 106 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 3: So we go to. 107 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 4: Paramount, right the Paramount Studios. We's sitting in this little 108 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 4: this little theater and watch it. And then Dean Pitchford 109 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 4: tells us what where he wants the Shalamar song or whatever, 110 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 4: and we're dancing in the sheets, a song that he 111 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 4: had written, and so like you know, he tells us, 112 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 4: you know, and so like you know, Leon and I 113 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 4: are walking back to the to the to the parking lot, 114 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 4: right and I asked Leon, I said. 115 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: Well, what do you think? 116 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: And Leon says, man, I got a I got I 117 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 4: got a lot on my plate right now, you know, 118 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 4: he said. And then he says, and I don't think 119 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: it's going to be that big of a movie for this. 120 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 5: And so he said, I got a lot on my plate. 121 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: He said, I might not be able to work that in. 122 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 3: You know. He said, well, what do you think? 123 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 4: I said, Well, I said, considering, I said, first of all, 124 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 4: I said, first of all, I don't. 125 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: Think it's that it's going to be that big of 126 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: a movie either. 127 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 4: I said, you said that to you, and so, like 128 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: you know, I said, but considering where the group is 129 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 4: right now, because where the group was at the time 130 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 4: was Jeffrey and Jody had split. 131 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: I had told I told Dick at the time. 132 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 4: I said, well, maybe this is a good time for 133 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 4: me to do a solo thing, do my solo thing, 134 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 4: because we had always talked about that. And Dick says, well, no, 135 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: you got two and a half more years left on 136 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: this contract and so Shalamar contract, and you can either 137 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 4: spend it doing nothing or you can go to court 138 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: and get out of it, try and get out of it, 139 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 4: or you can do another Shalamar project and ride this 140 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 4: contract out. I wasn't gonna sit around not do nothing exactly. 141 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 4: I can't exactly, and and I and I and it 142 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 4: was just it was like, you know, I hate court. 143 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 4: You know, court is like throwing dice. You know, you 144 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 4: don't know what the judge is going to come back with. 145 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 4: So I avoid court as much. 146 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: As possible throughout my whole career. 147 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: And uh and so like I said, okay, we're going 148 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 4: to do another Shalamar project. And when this, when the 149 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 4: Footloose thing came up, I said, I think that it 150 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 4: would be a good look for it because even though 151 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna be that big of a 152 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 4: movie famous last words, right, I don't think it's gonna 153 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 4: be that big of a movie, it would still be 154 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 4: a good look for the group to be associated with 155 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: a paramount and a crossover projects. It was it was 156 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: gonna be, it was gonna do one thing we did know, 157 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 4: his first big movie, and so like, you know, I said, 158 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think. 159 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: We're gonna do it. 160 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 4: And then they pulled in this cap Bill Wolfer, who 161 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 4: ended up producing Dancing in the Sheets and so and 162 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 4: Dancing in the Sheets was the second biggest selling single 163 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 4: Shalamar had up under second time around Wow, and you. 164 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 3: Know it was crazy. It was crazy. 165 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 4: But I mean, like I you know, I do, I'll 166 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 4: do dancing in the sheets sometimes we'll do it. We 167 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: just really started incorporated into the show with with Shalamar now, 168 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 4: which is me Jeffrey Jeffrey Dan and you ain't Carolyn Griffy, 169 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: you know, but yeah, we get we'll get out there 170 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 4: and we'll do we'll do dancing in the seats, especially 171 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 4: overseas because you have a large white audience over there 172 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 4: and they're familiar with it. But if we do it 173 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 4: when we're here, you know, my my couple of white 174 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 4: white folks to get up and start dancing while brothers 175 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 4: and sisters. 176 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: Is in there, like what the hell? 177 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 4: You know? 178 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: That sound like new music? Please don't go anywhere. 179 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations masterclass. Now, 180 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: I need for you to do me a favor right 181 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: now to follow our subscribe to Money Making Conversation. 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Welcome 185 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: back to Money Making Conversations master class with me Rashawn McDonald. 186 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 4: But getting back to that, there's you know, just like 187 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 4: I always when when they when you're talking, when people 188 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 4: talk about new music, are you doing new music? 189 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: You don't, Thank God, Rashan. 190 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 4: It's that I'm at the point of my career where, 191 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 4: like you know, people like you said they want to 192 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 4: hear the hiss. 193 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 3: I went to see. I went to see a group. 194 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna say who it is, but big group, 195 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 4: popular group, nothing but hits, nothing but hiss. They came out. 196 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 4: When they came out, as soon as they hit the stage, 197 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 4: they're hitting. Everybody's up, everybody's moving, everybody's you know, grooving 198 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 4: and stuff. And then towards like forty five minutes into 199 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 4: the show or so, they they said, we're gonna do 200 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 4: some new music for you. Right now, people sat down, 201 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 4: they started talking. 202 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 5: About themselves going to the concession. 203 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: You know, it treated like it was a break Yeah, 204 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: no exactly. 205 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 4: And I'm sitting there and I'm sitting there peeping this, 206 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 4: I'm like, people don't want to hear it. As soon 207 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 4: as that fifteen to twenty minutes of that new music 208 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 4: was over, they. 209 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: Start back into the hits. 210 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 4: Everybody's up and they're moving for the rest for the 211 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 4: rest of the show, right, And I said, people don't 212 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 4: want to hear If you do new music, you. 213 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: Got to set it up. 214 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 4: You got to set it up the right way, you know, 215 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 4: Like I'll challenge, Like I do a new song in 216 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 4: my show. Sometimes it's kind of a new song, a 217 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: song that that Leon Silvers and I wrote, Well Leon 218 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 4: wrote it and produce it and we did it, and 219 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 4: so like, you know, I've set it up with you know, 220 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 4: I want to do some new new material. 221 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 3: I tell them, I said, I know, sometimes we do 222 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: new material is almost. 223 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: Like singing Japanese because because y'all got familiar with it. 224 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: But then I but then I challenge. 225 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 4: But I know I'm standing in front of a very 226 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 4: sophisticated audience tonight, isn't that right? 227 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? 228 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 4: Okay, now I got Now, Now the setup for the 229 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 4: new music was set up, so it's cool. And plus 230 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 4: a lot of things that I do these these days 231 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: also are really intimate things, you know, like I'll do 232 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 4: the City Wineries, which is a real intimate crowd. 233 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: So when you say that, Howard, because it's so entertaining 234 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: when you talk about it, because for decades, multi generational audiences, 235 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, a parent or bring their daughter, and grandparents 236 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: bring their their daughter and their grandchild, you know, and 237 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: that's a beautiful experience to see that right in front 238 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: of you. But I know, as a fan, I got 239 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: to hear say amen. 240 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: Amen, I got some show. 241 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 4: Every show ends with saying man since since almost since, 242 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 4: well since I did it, thank God, you know, back 243 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 4: in the day. 244 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 2: So how did that song come about? 245 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: Man? 246 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 4: I always before I left the group, Before I left, shallamar, 247 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 4: I remember saying the prayer. 248 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: A couple of years. 249 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 4: It was a couple of years before I left, and 250 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 4: right after Jeffrey and Jody are split not long after that. 251 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 4: But I remember saying a prayer and I said, Lord, 252 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 4: you know, when I'm by myself, when I'm responsible for 253 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 4: what I say, you know, not two other people in 254 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 4: the picture, not saying that they didn't believe, that they 255 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 4: didn't have a sense of belief or whatever. But songs 256 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 4: like say men and I did a complete inspirational album 257 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 4: some years ago. But those type of songs are personal. 258 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 4: Those are those I'm saying this is a personal thing. 259 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 4: You know, thank God, people gravitated towards it. But in 260 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 4: the beginning, I want to thank you God for giving 261 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 4: me one more chance to raise my voice and senior praise. 262 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 3: That's a personal statement. 263 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 4: So I made a promise then that every album that 264 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 4: I did, every solo album that I did, I would 265 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 4: always honor honor him, you know, God Christ's Holy Spirit 266 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 4: on every album. And Same Men was the first one. 267 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: A lot of people there was a lot of stuff 268 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 4: going on in my life at the time, so a 269 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 4: lot of people kind of you know, equated that to that, 270 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 4: but that wasn't what was going on. I had written 271 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 4: that song, you know, the Lord gave me that song 272 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 4: that about two or three months before all this craziness 273 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 4: went down, and and so like it was basically myself, 274 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 4: Monty and Monte Seward. 275 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: That was one of the first songs. That was the 276 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: first song we ever wrote together, which we So let 277 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: me ask. 278 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: You this, because how music like that, Because you know, 279 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: Charlam Maul, you're an R and B star, you know 280 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: all this stuff. 281 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: Did you go gospel like that? 282 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: How do you, how does one transition that to get 283 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: the airplane Because people can pigion hold you. 284 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, they can pitchon, they can pigeonhole you and stuff. 285 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 4: Those those things that's literally rashone. Those are those are 286 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 4: things that you got to leave up to the Lord. Okay, 287 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I didn't know. I didn't 288 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 4: know how you know it was going to be accepted. 289 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 4: All I knew is that I made a promise to 290 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 4: the Lord to do that, and that that was the 291 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: main thing. 292 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 3: It wasn't about, Okay, how is this going to be 293 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: accepted by. 294 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: The R and B field or the or the gospel 295 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 4: or the church situation, and how. 296 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: It's going to be accepted from there. It wasn't about that. 297 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 4: It was a promise that I made to God, which 298 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 4: was way more important to me than how it was accepted. 299 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: But when it was accepted, how did you feel? 300 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: I felt great? 301 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: I felt I felt I felt amazing because it so 302 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 4: for one thing, it showed me that people are are 303 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 4: ready to accept that type of situation, accept that type 304 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: of of suggesting and honesty and honesty as far as 305 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 4: like you know where your music is and the whole thing, 306 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 4: and it's like you know, you you you know, it's 307 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 4: you look at you know, the things in your life 308 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 4: and the things that go on in your life and 309 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: the things that you allowed to because you know this 310 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: is this is a public life, you know, but there's 311 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 4: still some things that you want to keep you know private, 312 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. 313 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: But those type of. 314 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: Things I believe are things that you should always you know, 315 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 4: because because he's not a shame to you, right, so 316 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 4: you can't be shamed to him, you know what I'm saying. 317 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: Stay with us. 318 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: More Money Making Conversation master Lass coming up next. Welcome 319 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: back to Money Making Conversation Master Class hosted by me 320 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: Rashawn McDonald. 321 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: Let's get back into it. 322 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: It's really interesting when I look at your solo career 323 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: and then the career that you had with Charloma Howard. 324 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: Okay, because that was an up. 325 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: Tempo you know dance, you know, really make that move 326 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: time you've all done music always don't feel good music. 327 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: Let's just put that out, you know, solo all with them, 328 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: But there tend to be like a slower beat on 329 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: your solo career versus what you isn't the producers that 330 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: came into your life. Oh, that's just your style. 331 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: Is my style. It was like what I was really, 332 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 3: what I was about. 333 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 4: I love I love you know, romantic music, right, I 334 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 4: love you know. 335 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 3: Uh, you know relation what I call them relation trips. 336 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: Which means that's what R and B used to be. 337 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, exactly exactly. 338 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: I don't want dive it so fast. But R and 339 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: B has changed. 340 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, George Duke used to say. So used to say, 341 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 4: how well you know what R and B stands for? 342 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 3: I said, what is that? He said, replaced by? Replaced by. 343 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 4: Everybody tries to replace something with R and B with 344 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 4: something else. But R and B is the foundation. R 345 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 4: and B is a foundation of rock. R and B 346 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 4: is the foundation of hip hop. It's the foundation of 347 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 4: neo soul, it's foundation of all that stuff. 348 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: You know. 349 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 4: So you can't replace a foundation, you know, a foundation 350 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 4: can only make something stronger. Like I used to always 351 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 4: look at the houses, Like when in my neighborhood when 352 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 4: I was a kid, they. 353 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: Used to build. 354 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: You know, there was a lot, somebody buy the lot 355 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 4: and they start building the house. Well, they first thing 356 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 4: they do is dig the hole for the basement and 357 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 4: the foundation of that house. It took him forever because 358 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 4: we always have dirt dirt ball. 359 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 3: Fights, you know, because the big old piles of dirt. 360 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 4: So they took him forever to build this foundation, you know, 361 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 4: reinforce still, reinforce, cement, whatever, And they take forever to 362 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 4: build the foundation of this house. Once the foundation was done, 363 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 4: the house boom boom boom boom boom would go up. 364 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 3: You know. 365 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 4: And if you built that foundation strong enough, you can 366 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 4: even tear that house down and build a whole nother 367 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 4: house on top of it. 368 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: That's right. 369 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 4: So I started, you know, as I got older, I 370 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 4: started looking at that analogy as far as life is concerned, right, 371 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 4: you know, foundation, what kind of foundation are you laying 372 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 4: down for your life? And if you if you take 373 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: that thing seriously and lay a strong foundation, strong enough foundation, 374 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 4: you can build two, three, four different lives on top 375 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 4: of that hole, that one foundation. But as long as 376 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 4: you got that one thing happening strong enough, you know 377 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 4: what I'm saying right then, Like you know. 378 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: Because foundation is the key to relationships, everything, you know, 379 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: everything you do. 380 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: If you don't have a foundation, you don't have anything. 381 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, if they didn't make this chair with the right 382 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 4: nuts and bolts. 383 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: I'd be sitting here in Bam. 384 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 5: It'll fall down and eventually. 385 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: You know, when I look at the songs, you know, 386 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: of course, you know, a night to remember, Charlama, second 387 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: time around, Charlama. 388 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 2: This is for the lover and you or all these songs. 389 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: Either I want to move or I want because I 390 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: got you know, I can't remember the whole. 391 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 3: Song, you know, the hook, the hook. 392 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 4: But that's the thing is and and it's it's like 393 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 4: I said, you know, with my shows and stuff, I 394 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 4: love it when I come out because the first part 395 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 4: of my shows are always Howard Hewitt stuff. Okay, and 396 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 4: I say in the show, I'm gonna take you back 397 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,239 Speaker 4: to some old Howard Hewitt, to some old Salamar and 398 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 4: then we're gonna praise. 399 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 3: The Lord and get up, get up out of here. 400 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 4: So it's like you know, I do the the first 401 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 4: part of the show is Howard Hewitt basically. So and 402 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 4: that's that's when you sit and like you know, fellas, 403 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 4: put your arm around your woman, like I tell them 404 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 4: during the show, put you just repeat after me whatever 405 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 4: and now that and then and and I tell me 406 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 4: you're gonna thank me later on, you know. So and 407 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 4: then once we get past you know, the Howard Hewitt stuff, 408 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 4: then then the time to get up. 409 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 3: And dance is when it's the second time around. Make 410 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: that move for the love and your unise. 411 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: I would give a. 412 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: Little personal here out because it's about longevity, you know 413 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: for decades. Yeah, when you when you went to California, 414 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: you wouldn't thinking about thirty forty, fifty, sixty, low seventy, 415 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: you know. But we all want to live a good life. Yeah, 416 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: so what does it take to live a good life? 417 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 4: I think integrity is one of the most one of 418 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 4: the most important things. That you're yes, be or yes 419 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 4: and you're nob yar no, that's biblical, you know what 420 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 4: I'm saying. So integrity is is very important to me 421 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 4: in life. You know, looking at you're gonna you know, 422 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 4: am I am I perfect? By no means am I perfect? 423 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 4: Do I believe in what I believe in totally completely, God, Christ, 424 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 4: the Holy Spirit? Stay true to that? For me, I 425 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: have to stay true to that. 426 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: Where did that come from? 427 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: Uh? This came from our foundation again. 428 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 4: I started out in in gospel, in the in the 429 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 4: in the gospel situation when I was ten eleven, twelve, thirteen, 430 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 4: fourteen years old, and my mom was a gospel promoter, 431 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 4: you know in the acron Cleveland cat area. And plus 432 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: she had a radio broadcast for like thirty or forty years. 433 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: She was eventually inducted into the Radio Ohio Radio Hall 434 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 4: of Fans awesome, and so her when she would do 435 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 4: her shows, she would bring in people like James Cleveland, 436 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 4: Albatina Walker and the Caravans when Shirley Caesar was still 437 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 4: with him, Pilgrim, Jubilee, Soul Stirs, Volinaires, Swan, silver Tones, 438 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 4: five Line Everybody, and so like once our group, which 439 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 4: was called the Hewett Singers, I was the lead singer 440 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 4: and three of my sisters backed me up once we 441 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 4: were in shape enough to do shows. Of course, nepotism 442 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 4: was live and well in our family. So we would 443 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 4: open up for every show that my mom would bring in, 444 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 4: and then during the summer we would we would go 445 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 4: out on the little gospel. 446 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: To get another nugget. 447 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: I knew nothing about Howard, so that even ties say 448 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: a mint either. 449 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a natural correlation. 450 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 451 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 4: Although I look at say Man, I look at say 452 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 4: Man as inspirational music. 453 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't look at it as gospel. 454 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 4: Gospel, Gospel is a whole another thing which I have 455 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 4: totally respect for. But when when I think about gospel, 456 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 4: I think about Shirley Caesar. I thought about think about 457 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 4: the quartets and stuff and casts like that Highway QCs. 458 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 3: And all those cat back in the day. 459 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: That's a different beat now, yeah, a different calling to 460 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: different calling. 461 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 4: And it's like and it was one that as a kid, 462 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 4: I had to make that decision as to whether I 463 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 4: wanted to stay in the gospel situation or go to 464 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 4: the R and B situation. Which one of my reasons 465 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 4: when I when because I'm writing a book, putting my 466 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 4: little chat and stuff together, and when I finally stopped procrastinating, 467 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 4: I'll get I'll get consistent with it. But one of 468 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 4: the things, one of the mindsets that I had at 469 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 4: that time was that, you know, I was fourteen, about 470 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 4: fourteen years old, really starting to get into girls and 471 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 4: and and loved loved women, love the girls, loved that 472 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 4: whole thing, and and I knew that that was something 473 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 4: that was going to be, you know, kind of prominent 474 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 4: in my life. So did I want to stay in 475 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 4: a field where I would feel like a hypocrite? 476 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: Right? 477 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: You know as far. 478 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 4: Even though even though I believe and my beliefs and 479 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff even now, but still at 480 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 4: least I'm not sitting out there. 481 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: Thank you Lord, thank you. Hey, what's your name? 482 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying and not saying, not not 483 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 4: judging or whatever, but I just yeah, and I just 484 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: underspent exactly, especially the respect for what you what you say. 485 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 3: You believe that. 486 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: There was a couple of things before we wrap up here. 487 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: I got to bring up I know we're talking we 488 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: on fun here cooking now you know, now you know 489 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: because I didn't. I didn't realize you love. Your love 490 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: for cooking ook till I read your bio. Okay, you 491 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: know I know everything about Howard okay, except to cook 492 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: it because you know my on my social media, I 493 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: have Rushawn's kitchen, so I love. I cooked chid lings 494 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: onions and I posted they eat me up. Don't matter 495 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: what the slave food. But I just love down home cooking. 496 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: Tell us about your love for cooking. 497 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 3: You know, I love cooking. 498 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 4: The thing the thing that I got into cooking for 499 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 4: was basically, I like I always say, I cooked well 500 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 4: enough not to starve. And there's certain things that I've 501 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 4: gravitate to ma, and I've mastered for myself, you know, 502 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 4: chicken wings and all that kind of stuff and and 503 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 4: uh seasonings, different guys of seasonings and. 504 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 2: Know all that. 505 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 4: So you know, I'm not a gourmet cook. I've been 506 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 4: I've been married a couple of times where I had you. 507 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 3: Know, uh, my wife was a mat so I know 508 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 3: what a go made. 509 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 4: But like again, I'm you know, I'm not married now, 510 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 4: so I had to I had to figure certain things out, 511 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 4: you know, along the way, a long way, the path 512 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 4: through the kitchen, the path and to not starving. 513 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: Because you know, we were joking off off flying that guy. 514 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: It's not really a joke, you know. We you know, 515 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: we live our lives. You know, Uh, you've hit seventy. 516 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm two years behind down there, you know, And we 517 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: was laughing. Steve Harbor right in the middle of both 518 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: of us, Okay, and I look at the mirror. I 519 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 1: don't know what seventy looked like, but I don't know, 520 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: but you don't look like man. 521 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 3: Thank god. 522 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 4: The biggest, the biggest thing when I turned seventy, the 523 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 4: biggest thing that I thought about was I thank god, 524 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 4: it doesn't look like what I thought it was going 525 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 4: to look like when I was thirty or forty years old. Right, 526 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 4: I'm thinking, Man, I'm gonna be on a on a 527 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 4: walker and there's a back aching. But no, it's it's 528 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 4: you know, you you figure you figure stuff out. I 529 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 4: believe as you go along and you figure out, you know, 530 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 4: the things that are important. I think that you live 531 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 4: because somebody has said something about. 532 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 3: I read the other just the. 533 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 4: Other day, how you you know, the way that you 534 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 4: live your life, the things that you allow allow to 535 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 4: come into your life, the stress or or drama that 536 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 4: you allow to come into your life. And I stress 537 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 4: that allow the word, because that's the thing. We have 538 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 4: a choice. You know, God even gave us a choice 539 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 4: whether to follow him or not, right, so we have 540 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 4: a choice as to what we allow to come into 541 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 4: our lives. You know, some people say, well, but you 542 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 4: have to No, No, you have control over all that stuff. 543 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 4: You got total control over all that stuff and what 544 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 4: you allow. And I refuse to allow, you know, drama, 545 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 4: I refuse to allow stress. I just went through a 546 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 4: thing and which just just just solidified my whole concept 547 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 4: of that whole thing. For two weeks, I was going 548 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 4: through I'm not even going to get into it right 549 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 4: now as far as because it was some craziness, but 550 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 4: it was drama. 551 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: It was drama as you said. You know, drama can 552 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: impack your heart. 553 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: Yep, every n your sleep. 554 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: That's stress and how you do it. 555 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: And that's the whole part about health, delivering and controlling 556 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: that moment and when you go through that, because that's 557 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: an entertainer. I always tell people you're a small business owner, 558 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: which means that you're putting food on the table. Nobody 559 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: paying for your insurance. Nobody's saying you're gonna get paid 560 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: fifteen or thirty dollars an hour. I'll give you forty 561 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: hours a week to pay because you just don't know. 562 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: A tour can cancel, somebody might not show up. You 563 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: might get an album deal and the label goes bankrupt. 564 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: There are no guarantees in anything, especially when you're a 565 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: small business owner. If you were to give somebody advice 566 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: as a small business owner, what would that be, hout. 567 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 4: I don't know, but what you're talking about is like 568 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 4: a perfect example COVID. When COVID comes in, my schedule 569 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 4: had been the same for like thirty years. You know, 570 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 4: you know, thank god. I never being concerned about having 571 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 4: a gig has never been on my play of concern 572 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 4: right the years, because thank god that foundation. You lay 573 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 4: that foundation, so you were always you know some of 574 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 4: the second time around, make them Some people work all 575 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: their lives on one or two his I got second 576 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 4: time around, make that move for lovering. You show me 577 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 4: I'm for real. But I can go on on right 578 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 4: out of fingers, run out of finger I got to 579 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 4: go to the other hand, you know, and those are 580 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 4: That's something that I thank god. But like this, as 581 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 4: far as stress, like I said, somebody told me a 582 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 4: long time ago, you know, stresses. 583 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 3: Like a rock and chair. 584 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 4: It gives you a lot to do, but when you 585 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 4: get done, you're still in the same place. 586 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 3: So what's the sense in it? What was the sense 587 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 3: in the stress? 588 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 4: Was? 589 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 3: What was the whole? 590 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 4: I remember, I was twenty two years old when I 591 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 4: conscientiously started taking the word worry out of my vocabulary. 592 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 4: And like it took a while, took years, from four 593 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 4: by six, seven, eight years or whatever. But before as 594 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 4: time went on, it got to be a situation where 595 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 4: like I because one of the you have a big 596 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 4: ocean liner. Okay, the thing that guides that that big 597 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 4: ocean liner, that ship, and any boat, any boat. The 598 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 4: thing that guides that boat through the water is that 599 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 4: little rudder on the end. Little rudder compared to the 600 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 4: you know, relative to the ship is little, you know, 601 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 4: relative to the row boat. 602 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 3: It is little, a little rudder. 603 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 5: That's your tongue, man, Your tongue. Your tongue will get 604 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 5: you in so much trouble and. 605 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 4: Get you and so like you always for me is 606 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 4: it was like, okay, I got to be aware of 607 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 4: the things that I allow to come out of my mouth. 608 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 4: Everything is a choice. Everything in life is a choice. 609 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 4: It's a choice. And so you know, and and so 610 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 4: at too. There was a situation that went down that 611 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 4: I had a plan, a twenty two year old plan, 612 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 4: my man in my mind that went crazy, you know, 613 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 4: and like I'm. 614 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 5: Like, oh, what the what am I going to do now? 615 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 3: You know? 616 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 5: And I start worrying and weren't doing this doing that? 617 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 4: And then I got a pamphlet from my church that 618 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 4: I used to go to back when I was back 619 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 4: at Akron. 620 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 3: They had my mailing. 621 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 4: Address, Pastor Fowler, the Arlington Street Church of God, and 622 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 4: they my dad gave him my address. You know, I 623 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 4: was about twenty twenty one, twenty two, and they used 624 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 4: to send the pamphlet every every week, you know, that 625 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 4: was happening every weekly thing. 626 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 3: And on the back of the. 627 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 4: East pamphlet, Pastor Follower would always pick a subject and 628 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 4: he write a summary on it. 629 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 5: And right when I was going through all this stuff. 630 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 4: And I found out the tour got pushed back, and 631 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 4: money all this and there's we were supposed to go 632 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 4: to Helsinki, Finland, and as with the show group and stuff, 633 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 4: and that got pushed back. And I'm worrying about this. 634 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 4: I can't get the money for my dad because he 635 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 4: had just sent me fifty bucks a week or so before, 636 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 4: and so like you know, but I go to the mailbox, 637 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 4: I get this paraphly. I look on the back of it, 638 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 4: and on the back of it the subject that Pastor 639 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 4: Fowler had had chosen was worried wo a sign of disbelief. 640 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 4: In other words, if you know that you're a child 641 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 4: of God, you say the God is my savior, you 642 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 4: confessed with your mouth, believe in your heart that he 643 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 4: was raised from the Daddy's your savior. 644 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 3: And he takes care. 645 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 4: Of those little birds and those little animals out there 646 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 4: that don't even aren't even able to worship him. And 647 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 4: you say that you're a child of God, what are 648 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 4: you worried about? If you're a child of God, and 649 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 4: if you truly believe that you're a child of God, 650 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 4: what are you worried about? Why are you worried? It 651 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 4: doesn't make sense. 652 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: I love it, I love it. 653 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense. 654 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 2: He's the one and only. 655 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 3: Howard are you man? 656 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 2: Brother? Brother? Never will we part this long? 657 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 5: Never ten years or so. 658 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: I know you do. 659 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: Just chicken wing, but I gotta bring you in Ushawann's kitchen. 660 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: Man those chicken wing. 661 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: But again, man, beautiful, beautiful interview, beautiful person. 662 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on Money Making Class. 663 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 3: Finally, finally. 664 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 4: We've been talking about this a long time, so you know, 665 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 4: but it's good seeing you. 666 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you for listening to this episode. 667 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 1: No, I need for you to do me a favor 668 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: right now to follow our subscribe to Money Making Conversation. 669 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: It's free and you can find it on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, 670 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 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