1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast is as consistent as a 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: bread far retirement. Welcome back to another edition of the 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Round the League Podcast. My name is Dan Hansus and 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm joined by two heroes, Mark Seessler and Greg Rosenthal. 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: What up? Boys? Are we a little concerned about the 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: fourth hero at this point, he's gone radio silent as 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: far as I know, Chris Westling is this is the 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: fourth podcast he's missed. We should be nervous at this point. 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: I think he said he was gonna miss four, but 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: it's going to be more than that. Um, we might 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: never see him again. Greg. Mark is supposed to pick 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: him up from the airport. I believe on Thanksgiving it's 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: gonna be a nerve racking moment. A lot of things 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: are supposed to happen. It's like I feel like he's 15 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: he's went him on Bradshaw honus to got just a family? 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: I thought we had. One of our intros was the 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Round League Podcast, will not pick you up from the Airport? 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: One of my favorite Well, you know, he's my friends. 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: We do it thre We do things like that for friends. 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: We do it for each other, not for anyone else. 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: All right, that's fair? And Mark you are now, your 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: family has gone to San Francisco for Thanksgiving. You have 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: the home to yourself. I understand you've got a nice 24 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: bit of rest last night. Well, someone any any listener 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: or Greg knows, anyone that has kids under the age 26 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: of three. The concept of two of two of them, 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: it's a one two punch. The concept of a night 28 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: of uninterrupted sleep much less. Just if I clean the 29 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: house up in the morning and I come home at 30 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: night and it's still untouched versus a certain like a 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: tornado hid it, it's unusual and I am in that 32 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: place right now. Would you say this is one of 33 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: the top ten days of your life in the past 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: fifteen years? No, because I mean, in a perfect world, 35 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: I would love to be with my family. You are 36 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: loving this sleep. It's I feel rested. Yeah, well it's 37 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: for the first time since I've known. Somebody update Sessler's 38 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: Wikipedia Wikipedia page to say he feels rested on November. 39 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: It's the one two punch of your kids plus having 40 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: to be at where at five in the morning. That's 41 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: it's that's a perfect storm of me feeling about ten 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: years older than I hand. All right, so let's let's 43 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: get into it. We figured, you know, people, people get 44 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: excited about this. This the the Fork Committee when the 45 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: Fourth Committee gathers. So we figured, why not start the podcast. 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the fork who got forked? This week? 47 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: Nine teams have been forked. I hate to say it, 48 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: two more were forks. So why don't we get into 49 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: it right now? Here lies the New York Giants, a 50 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: deeply crappy team that's strung together the single least impressive 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: four game winning streak in football history. The Eli Manning 52 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: sad face has never been this sad. We had to 53 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: do it. We did it too late. Remember, I wanted 54 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: to do it. Oh, I wanted to do it after 55 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: a two game winning streak, just to show how little 56 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,839 Speaker 1: respect I had for that, and it would have been fine. 57 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: We wouldn't have been too early, So I actually can 58 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: go the other way. Uh. The only reason I'm not 59 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: I didn't fight this is because I didn't feel like 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: dealing with it and this doesn't mean that much to me. 61 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I still have a this 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: this feeling that the Giants will be playing a meaningful 63 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: game in December. Um, so I I almost thought about 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: in the Fourth Committee fighting this. Instead, I just had 65 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: another Danish, grabbed a cup of coffee and just let 66 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: you basically, for an entire Cities football team, you could 67 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: care less. And by the way, we're talking to a 68 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: Jets fan here, you know one thing about the Giants 69 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: real quick, because I think at the Eagles weren't getting 70 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: hot the way they are and starting to I think, 71 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: take command of that division. I don't want to hear 72 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: about the Cowboys. I still think they finished eight and eight. 73 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I would have forked the Giants either, 74 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: because I fully expect Dallas to crumble. But you have 75 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: to be good to make a run, and the old 76 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: Giants were good. You're you guys are still thinking about that. 77 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: These are not those teams? Well you told you the 78 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: other day. Greig on this very podcast basically called that 79 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: pair of runs sham. Well, they they're they were not good. 80 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: They haven't been good regular season teams other than the 81 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: year after their first Super Bowl win. That's their one 82 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: good regular season team that that's a fact. Still, it 83 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: was a bit of a hatchet to your credibility the 84 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: way you completely shot down those two. By the way, 85 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: they weren't making any run anyways. At San Diego versus 86 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: Seattle at Detroit coming up, so the Giants had a 87 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: tough slate. You know, I just wonder, is Tom Coughlin 88 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: back with this team next year? If he's back, is 89 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: Perry Fuel back. This is a team I don't think 90 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: they necessarily underachieved that much on defense. I just don't 91 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: think they're that great. I feel like Coughlin has so 92 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: much good will stored up that they're they're not going 93 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: to fire him. And I think he's also one of 94 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: those guys that I don't think he could even imagine 95 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: doing anything else but coaching. It was It's like red 96 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: and Shoshank Redemption where he leaves prison and then like 97 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: thinks about committing a crime to go back to prison 98 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: because he doesn't know anything else. I think Coughlin is 99 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: the same way. He'll coach until he gets kicked out 100 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: the door, and I don't think he's ready to go 101 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: really see. I could see this ending, and I know 102 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: he's given no indication. In fact, reverse indication. He's talked 103 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: about staying. Indication that team in general just got band 104 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: name from the nineties, reverse indication. New York Giants almost 105 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: like a collective. I think they opened up for the 106 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: best mode for a while. There's a rebuilding project that 107 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: has to take place here. It's not a one year fix. 108 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if Couflin is the guy you do 109 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: that with. I wouldn't be surprised if Coughlin is gone. 110 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: I don't think they'll ever use the word fired, and 111 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: he might choose to walk away right now. He's on 112 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: an an unending series of one year contracts that they 113 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: essentially tack on, so he has a couple of years left. 114 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: He could go away very easily. I think if he ever, 115 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: if they ever did want to fire him, it would 116 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: just come out that he's decided to leave. But look, 117 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: this is a job that a lot of coaches are 118 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: interested and when people talk, you know, it's not like 119 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: I have a lot of sources around the league or 120 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 1: anything like that. But this is one of those jobs. 121 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Bhil Kaer everyone's always said has been circled this job, 122 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: that he wants this job, John Gruden wants this job. 123 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that would want this job 124 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: working for the Maras in New York, great reputation. I 125 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: don't know, wouldn't It wouldn't surprise me if they made 126 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: took this job. Would that mean he would stop making 127 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: those god awful Time Warner commercials, the single worst commercials 128 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: on television today. It would put an end to that, Dan, 129 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's do it, Let's make it happen. 130 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: I think Cowers at the point now where he couldn't 131 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: get a job. He waited too long, and do you 132 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: want him as your coach here? No? He kind of 133 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: put out fielders. If you read between the lines and 134 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: little reports that were leaked last year, that's like, hey, guys, 135 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: want to hire me a little bit, And it really 136 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: didn't get much interest. And I think that's where he's at, 137 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: and Gruden probably is afraid of getting into that. I 138 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: think Gruden his back coaching next year, whether it's college 139 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: or NFL. I just got chills thinking about the Jets 140 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: firing Rex Ryan and then Woody Johnson opening up the 141 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: checkbook to get an over the hill, Bill Cower. That 142 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: would go horribly. I thought you were gonna go somewhere 143 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: else with that Rex ride. You're gonna get over the hill. 144 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: Monte Kiffin as your head coach next year? Wow, Monte 145 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: kiffn there's no but there's no worse match or more 146 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: impossible match and the Giants and Rex Ryan. Okay, here 147 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: lies the Cleveland Browns, who managed to again raise the 148 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: hopes of their fan base this summer, only to again 149 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: crumble to severe mediocrity. They are and seemingly always will be, 150 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: a factory of sadness. You are a factory of sadness. 151 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: Look you talk about we went as far as we 152 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: could putting our support behind what's happening in Cleveland, and 153 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: it's it came to a bitter and ugly end. You 154 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: had it. They had a chance back to back games 155 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: against Cincinnati, who they've beaten, and the Steelers, who in 156 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: theory are beatable, and they were at home, and they 157 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: were taking care of pretty easily, not competitive, really taking 158 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: care of I. I don't have a problem forking them. 159 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: There's a lot of work to do here. They are 160 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: definitely worth the fork. And also Brandon Weeden is starting again. 161 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: This never die, No, he will not. And honestly, they 162 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: play the Jaguars. I at two weeks ago, I thought 163 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: that is a game they were going to show kind 164 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: of what to put the parts together, A nice thirty 165 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: seven stomping at home. I have no belief that they're 166 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: going to take care of Business. Dan picked the Jaguars 167 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: to win, actually cause he's called himself your friend. Mark 168 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: also I picked the Jags. I'm sorry, I'm I'm out 169 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: on the Browns now. I can't get on anymore. The 170 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: guy that also used to work for around the Lye, 171 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: Chris Westling, also picked the Jaguars. So I think it's 172 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: the first time the season there's been multiple Jaguars picks 173 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: in one week. I think it's the first. Yeah, that's true. 174 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: I think there's only been one Jaguars pick period, and 175 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: that was Chris Westling Jaguars at Oakland week two. I 176 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: think that's picked them once. I believe Patrick did. Listen 177 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: Wesley has an open disdain for the Cleveland Browns and 178 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: we know that, and so that doesn't surprise me at all. Seriously, 179 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: four and seven probably about what you expected before the 180 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: year started. You've seen, you've seen the pro act and 181 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: what the changes have been since Michael Lombardi and Joe 182 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: Banner and Rob Kazinsky came here. Let's uh have a 183 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: little evaluation. What do you do You feel more optimistic 184 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: about the future less when the season started. It's too 185 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: early to judge this year's draft and I'll leave that 186 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: for the experts like the Daniel Jeremiah and in that crowd. 187 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: But I will say that I look at Cleveland's draft 188 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: hall and it is unimpressive. To date, A lot of 189 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: these guys aren't even playing. So there's a lot of 190 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: pressure on an organization that traded away. Now, listen, the 191 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: Richardson trade looks good. I honestly think that they have 192 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: to be given some credit for their self scouting on 193 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: that right. But if they don't make something big happen 194 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: with what they've gotten in return and with their two 195 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: number ones, a lot of pressure falls on the front office. 196 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: I I think I like the coach. To me, they 197 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: have a coach that I hope they keep around for 198 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: a really long time. I think there's a lot of 199 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: positives in Cleveland because we talked about the defense being 200 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: talent laden, and nothing has really changed my mind on that. 201 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: I think they haven't been a great defense this year, 202 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: but if you look at all the parts, they've pretty 203 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: much played as expected, and Joe Hayden is an all 204 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: pro type of cornerback. You've got a lot of people 205 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 1: on the defensive line that will be there next year 206 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: and that are still young. You found Josh Gordon, who 207 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: looks like a number one receiver. You found Jordan Cameron. 208 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of good things that I think 209 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: one more off season and they could be in the 210 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: hex if they beat the Jaguars. There only one game 211 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: out of a playoffs, right. We just don't think they 212 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: have any ability to make a rock in the ray 213 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: of hope, honestly, and I and I don't think that 214 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer is even the starter here next year necessarily 215 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: on any level. But I'll say when they had a 216 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: functional quarterback in there, right who got rid of the 217 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: ball quickly, he made Cameron the player he was. Cameron 218 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: hasn't even been on the radar since we went back 219 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: to this Campbell Weeden. That's it's not your fault, Mark, 220 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: it's not your fault. The worst thing the Browns could 221 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: do is look at a Brian Hoyer in some swimming 222 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: pool rehabbing his knee and saying, let's bank on him 223 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: for the next two years in a rich draft, right, 224 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: go steal j Cutler, do something and really build around 225 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: a guy you could believe in, not a thirty year 226 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: old rookie, not some no name that played two and 227 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: a half good games and got the organization. Not Michael Vick. 228 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: It's back the truck up a minute. I don't think 229 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: there's anyone in Cleveland in on the team that says 230 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna latch everything to Brian Hoyer. I think he's 231 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: he's no, he's a great, he's an ideal backup. Here's 232 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: what I would do if I were the BA say 233 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: something else, Mark, this is what I do. They have 234 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: about thirteen draft picks, whatever it is, I would among 235 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: those thirteen players, right, take six defensive offensive type guys 236 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: that can give you some good stability. I would draft 237 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: seven quarterbacks. You're gonna get one out of that mix. 238 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: You just draft up and down the board. You draft 239 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: quarterbacks all over the place. One of them is going 240 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: to change the franchise, not one and have him failed. 241 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: Draft seven. I like bands bit about the Brian Hoyer 242 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: in the pool. I can sort of imagine that article 243 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: now written by Jason lackin for a how Brian Hoyer 244 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: is the first one in the building every morning, three thirty. 245 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: He's doing you know, backstroker or whatever. Don't do it, guys, 246 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: just don't do it. Don't since So those are the 247 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: two fok team. That is now eleven teams out of 248 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: thirty two forked people buzz. There's a buzz amongst society. 249 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: They want to know. They want to get inside the 250 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: four committee gatherings. And Uh, by the way, you guys, 251 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: I know we had some issues. We have the optical 252 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: uh indicator now to enter the committee room, we have 253 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: to put your eye up to it. There's been some glitches, 254 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: but I was told that will be fixed. Um in 255 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: the in the the committee room. The Jets were brought 256 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: up this week, and uh, you know, I I put 257 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: the veto on that. I don't think we're ready to 258 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: say about it the Jets just yet. You know, I 259 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: signed a confidentially at confidentiality agreement, but I'm not afraid 260 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: to say I brought up the Jets. They're done. How 261 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: could I don't think the Jets are an especially team, 262 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: but they if that's sixth seed, could be seven and nine, right, 263 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: and it won't be the Jets. I don't think the 264 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: sixth seed could be seven to nine. It's actually almost 265 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: mathematically impossible for it to be seven nine because they 266 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: all play each other so much, someone's going to get 267 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: the eight wins. So if they go three and two 268 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: there eight and Nate, I don't think that will happen 269 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: because we make calls as the Fort Committee, so sometimes 270 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: you just you make a call. We made a call 271 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: with the Titans and the Rams. I mean they're around 272 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: five hundred. Still I'm not worried about them at all. 273 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: I disagree well with the Jets. I think they have 274 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: the best defense of any one of these a f 275 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: C hangers on. Jets have an overrated defense. They have 276 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: a great defensive line and some talent linebacker and one 277 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: of the worst secondaries in the ANFC. But every one 278 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: of these teams are deeply flawed that are chasing that 279 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: six spot. I just I'm not one more week and 280 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm ready to fork the Jets. I couldn't do it 281 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: this week. Thanks buddy, And I'm sorry about the Browns. 282 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that for your for your benefits, wasn't 283 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: That's based on logic? And Greg, can you call your 284 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: locks guy? We need better products and the locks at 285 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: the committee meetings has been doesn't taste right, almost taste 286 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: a little foul. Well, it's shipped in from New York, 287 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: so I think it's it's getting bad on the put 288 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: it on some ice or something. Uh. And speaking of fork, 289 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: one more thing before we move on. Uh. Four concerns 290 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: we forked. So you know, we forked these teams and 291 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: they're supposed to be dead, and we still stand by 292 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: every fork we've done. But which team maybe jumps out 293 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: to you as someone who could actually rise from the dead. Uh? Greg, 294 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: I'll ask you first. I have no one, I have 295 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: someone worries me at all. You know, lots on the 296 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: line too, because this segment is we're started to meander 297 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: towards the charity charity. This this segment is gone if 298 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: we get any team wrong that's been out there. People 299 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: have been saying to us on Twitter, we don't want 300 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: to lose the segment. But that's okay because we won't 301 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: be wrong. It's a lot of responsible. If you wanted 302 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: to look like mathematically the Titans, you'd have to be 303 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: concerned about just for that craziness in NFC the team 304 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: I think we that won't make the playoffs, So technically 305 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: we're right, but I think we're wrong on in forking 306 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: when we did. Is the Rams. I like the Rams. 307 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: I think they're If they were in the n f C, 308 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: they'd be a playoff team. The fork isn't about who's 309 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: a good team or what what they would be if 310 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: they were in the NFC a f C. It'd be 311 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: who's making the playoffs or not, if that's right. But 312 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: in spirit, we forked a team that is much better 313 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: than we thought they were when we When we got 314 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: rid of them, I got bad news for uh this 315 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: segment and people that like it. We'll probably get one 316 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: of these wrong. It happens all the time. Last year, 317 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: it happened with the Redskins, and something happens every year. 318 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: The one I'm concerned with, I think the Rams. Yeah, 319 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: they're they're frisky, but ultimately Kellen Clemens is involved and 320 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: they're buried. Um, the Titans, I'm a little nervous about 321 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: fits magic is in the building. They got some good 322 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: pieces there. And I'm also worried about the Colts. I 323 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: feel like the Colts can potentially go in the tank 324 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: and the Titans sneak in. Something weird. Always happens. That's 325 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: my biggest concern. And that said, you know, I'm fairly 326 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: confident we'll get this right this year. I'd like the 327 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: segment to come back. If you ask this question again 328 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: next week, and we're coming off a Tennessee victory in Indianapolis. 329 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: Then my question, then my answer is totally different. But 330 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: I have to see Tennessee do something impressive. We've been 331 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: we've been almost painfully conservative in picking these teams. So yeah, 332 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: we're not in the danger zone because we have not 333 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: really done anything that. Edgy and the Titans have to 334 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: go to Denver and they have to play the Cardinals. Still, 335 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: that does not look like a team ready to go 336 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: on a run. I'm feeling good. This segment is gonna 337 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: live past all of us. Our grandchildren will be talking 338 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: about it like that. Right, there's k Rich behind the glass. 339 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: How you doing, k Rich? Guys just enjoying this Thanksgiving week. 340 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: K Rich is a chameleon physically. She has straight hair today. 341 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: Usually she's known for those curls. And now you look different. 342 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: You look different, you look like a different person. I 343 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: like it. I think it looks nice. Well you are 344 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: you were a holiday outfit? You were like right red? Yeah? 345 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: I like it. Thanksgiving? What were you doing yesterday? Wait 346 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: till Christmas comes? Yesterday I went food shopping all over 347 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: l A, all over and I spent all day cooking 348 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: all day long. So who's coming out? Who's eating all 349 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: this food? Man, we have a whole bunch of friends 350 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: from the East Coast who live out here now who 351 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: are gathering together. We're gonna have a big We're going 352 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: to have a big feast, and you're the one in charge. Basically, No, 353 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: I'm not in charge, but I'm doing most of the cooking, 354 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: witness Protection program gathering. Yeah, I don't have many friends 355 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: at least out here. No, well, that's even so many friends. 356 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: You didn't even think to invite any of us. Tables full, 357 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: awkward table is full? All right, guys, ready for the 358 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: headline and then want to talk about it? All right, 359 00:17:54,800 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: let's let's get some headlines. Rich alright, guys. First up, 360 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: a Patriots audible that is moving the needle. It sounds 361 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: a little something like this. Cougar Cougar Linda. I'm wondering 362 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: who is named Linda? Am I the only one thinking 363 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: that you are? Because we all know prepared to be enlightened? 364 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: I think it's evident. Well, I mean, listen, the subjects 365 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: spoke about it. It's Linda Holiday, Bill Belichick's minkstress paramore. 366 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: You wrote the post this morning nine around League an 367 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: important uh, post that we're going to be submitting for 368 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: the Pulitzer. Is it Pulitzer Pulitzer. It's probably not part 369 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: of the problem why we're not going to win one. Anyways, 370 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: this this production by Mark was fantastic. Tell us all 371 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: more so if you even if you watch we have 372 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: the clips up on dot com that if you watch 373 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: the before his touchdown to Gronkowski's clearly shouting audible at 374 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: the line this cougar, cougar Lin to business and uh, 375 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: it was a nod. I guess Lynda actually means shift 376 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: left for a lot of teams, it's not it's used 377 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: I guess around the league to some degree. But in 378 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: this case, it's a nod to Linda Holiday, the girl 379 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: friend of Bill Belichick, who technically not a cougar though, 380 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: because he's an older man, so she and he's sixty one, 381 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: so she would not be a cougar, been been his 382 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: girlfriend for a long time. Public she actually spoke about it, 383 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: so this is what really added credibility to this important subject. 384 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: She basically took it as a compliment. She said, the 385 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: plays worked out very well, so that speaks, so she's 386 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: fine with it. And then they asked Brady about it, 387 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: and he went into some sort of like robotic non 388 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: speak where he refused to give away even a shred 389 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: of information about what they had done on office. Isn't 390 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: joy by the way, speaking of that same play Audibles 391 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: and Throws the Touchdown? Is that to play where he 392 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: completely brows out with Gronk and they're screaming at each 393 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: other there to bros the spe each one of the 394 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: weirder sites and uncomfortable. Frankly, isn't it not one of 395 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: my prouder moments as a Patriots fan? This year? The 396 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: Cougar makes up for it. I can imagine the Gronkin 397 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: Brady on some dance floor in Belmar, New Jersey or something, 398 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: and it's one of those clubs where there's fog and 399 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: one of those fog horns that goes off and they're 400 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: just growing out with their shirts off that Watch that 401 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: video and look at Brady. It's pretty funny. Man. What 402 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: you guys see on Jersey Shore is not the real Jersey. 403 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: Might I just add there's a pocket of Jersey we 404 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: all grew up in. Every one of us grew up 405 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: in the state. Did you ever go to DJs in 406 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: bell Mark, New Jersey. I might have fog fog horns, 407 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: bros Out shirts off. It's absurd. I know Jersey and 408 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: I know the shore. Alright, alright, let's another brush from 409 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: k Ridge is gonna quits nothing to do with us? 410 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: Next up this one his clothes to home Folds announced 411 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: to be the Egos starting quarterback for the remainder of 412 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: this season. Who How do you feel about it? How 413 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: do I feel about it? You know? I feel like 414 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: this would be a really big test for him in 415 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: week thirteen if he can really show up good and 416 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: put on a good performance. I've been very happy with 417 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: his little streak that he's going on, and he's hot. 418 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: But if he can win this one, I will have 419 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: more confidence in him. Because Eagles fans, no, we get 420 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: our our hopes built up high every year since Dream Team, 421 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: and then it's brought back to reality. So we'll see 422 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: to game here hashtag analysis. I like that because this 423 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: is the first test that Nick Foles, I think has 424 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: had certainly the toughest defense they've played. Listen to the 425 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: defenses that they've played during this little run here, Oakland, 426 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: the Giants, Dallas, Washington. Not a not a lot of 427 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: good offensive, not a good defense. Not a lot of 428 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 1: good teams period the best. This is the toughest game 429 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: they've had since Week four at Denver. I think the 430 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: Cardinals defense is gonna slow down Nick Foles role just 431 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: a little bit. But obviously I'm a non suspenseful announcement 432 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: because I'd be stunned, outside of injury if Vick played 433 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: another snap for the Eagles ever again. He's done? Is 434 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: he going to be a starter ever? Again? I could 435 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: see a team thinking that we're gonna we've got a 436 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: couple of guys that we want to look at a quarterback. 437 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: He's in the play. But but honestly, if you really 438 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: want to build something as a team, it's tough. It's 439 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: Vicks a tough sell because he he does not play 440 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: more than eight or ten games this season, why not 441 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: stay in Philly? I could see it sure if and 442 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: he you know what, he actually to Vix credit. Finally, 443 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: because I thought, oh, when this thing goes south and 444 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: Folds starts to assume we're gonna get all these posts 445 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: we have to write about Michael Vick being cantankerous, he 446 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: has been great about it. He basically said, Folds is 447 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: the guy. I'm cool with it. I mean, he's done. 448 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: He's got to know it's at the end. Potentially, Yeah, 449 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: he's I'm not saying that, and he's know this particular situation. Well, 450 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: I hope he stays with the Eagles, but if he 451 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: doesn't think about what another team is getting, they might 452 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: not get a starting quarterback, but they're going to get 453 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: a quarterback who very who's very knowledgeable and can spread 454 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: it knowledge to someone who's younger. He's so going to 455 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: the Jets. I could see Chip Kelly bringing him back. 456 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: I think Vick might be at the point where he 457 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: doesn't mind being a backup too much, especially on such 458 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: a good offense where you look good when you come in. 459 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: Jip Kelly doesn't care about the normal NFL rules. I 460 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: could see them drafting another guy in the first or 461 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: second round, definitely having him go against falls, keeping Vic 462 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: there and just see what happened. Sure, anything else in 463 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: the news care rich Alright, guys, last up, Golden's hate 464 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: he's calling his Seahawks made selfish for their suspensions. Well, 465 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: this is unfortunate for the Seahawks. You have two guys, 466 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: uh suspended for substance abuse Browner. Uh. They're saying it's 467 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: going to be for a year, Thurm. And it's gonna 468 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: be uh four games starting immediately, and it puts a 469 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: strain on the team. And it also kind of hang 470 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: almost that there's a scarlet letter attached and the Golden 471 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: Tade isn't happy about it. And and I know Mike 472 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: Silver wrote or reported earlier this week that there was 473 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: a team meeting where this was also explained. You know, 474 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: if you want to do this stuff, go ahead, do it, 475 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: but you're not gonna be coming with us to the 476 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I understand why Golden Tate is frustrated. I 477 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: would be too if I was playing clean. It's tough 478 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: when you have injuries or suspensions at the same position. 479 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: They're known for their secondary, and that's two of their 480 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: top three cornerback. So it's a significant loss just on 481 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: the football and forget all the you know who's being selfish, 482 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: who isn't. That's supposed to be the backbone of their 483 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: team and they're losing two of their top three guys. 484 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: Thurman was playing well this year. Browner, who had made 485 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl before I was not having a great 486 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: year and is injured right now. Anyways, don't think that's 487 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: a huge loss. Yeah, I think Thurman's the bigger immediate 488 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: loss for the team. And I guess, you know, you 489 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: can say, oh, you know, Seattle leads the league and 490 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: these uh you know, slap on the wrist from the 491 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: league and it's it's been a lot under Carol. But 492 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, they got through this 493 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: last year where they they lost a bunch of secondary 494 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: guys and they actually went on actually when they got 495 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: hot in the end of the regular season. I don't 496 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: see it derailing Seattle. There's a lot a lot of 497 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: teams only have one or two good players in the secondary. 498 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: Monday Night is going to be a great test. That'll 499 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: be interesting, and they'll probably have to play the Saints 500 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: again to make the Super Bowl. That's to me, that's 501 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: where the NFC who goes to the Super bowls? Who 502 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: gets home field advantage there between those two teams. The 503 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: more I think about it, I still have my do 504 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: The Saints have the most intriguing stretch schedule. They've got 505 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: Carolina twice, they got Seattle, and they have to go 506 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: to St. Louis, which is interesting going on there. Uh, 507 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: thank you for the news, k Rich. Before we go, 508 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about one more topic, and that is, Uh, 509 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, how do we want to put this? 510 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: It's Thanksgiving, and you know we don't. We don't want 511 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: to say what are we thankful for? Because that's really cheesy? 512 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: But why don't we just say, like, what has been 513 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: kind of a pleasant surprise? I like that pleasant surprise, 514 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: pleasant surprise that happens to be around Thanksgiving. And I'll 515 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: throw it out there since we're already talking about uh, 516 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: like we're not just owning it that we have this 517 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: cheesy device what we're thankful for? Um, I'll throw it 518 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: out there. The Carolina Panthers. I'm pleasantly surprised that they 519 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: put it all together this year, because you feel like 520 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: that every year there's especially in the ramp up towards 521 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: the season, there are eighteen different teams that everything looks 522 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: like it's in line for them to put it together 523 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: and go from mediocrity to greatness. And uh, I think 524 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: the Panthers are the team that actually have pulled it off. 525 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: Not that they're necessarily one of the great teams ever, 526 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: but they're one of the best teams at football. They've 527 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: proven it. Uh, obviously over the last couple of weeks 528 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: or three weeks, I am pleasantly surprised that the Panthers 529 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: are in Super Bowl contemp. You know, and in another 530 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: angle there is it was so clear that that organization 531 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: reportedly in earlier in the season already had spoken to 532 00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: a potential replacement for Ron Rivera, that it was are 533 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: gonna be lost here. You know, Listen, it's not fun 534 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: to report about guys getting the acts. It's kind of 535 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: cool to see him save his job. And he was 536 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: getting ripped shredded on our website by all sorts of people. 537 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: This this organization is lost, and they've proven everyone wrong. 538 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: Eminently watchable. They got Cam, They've got Steve Smith, who 539 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: just keeps upping his postgame interview game. It's really an 540 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: impressive thing. He's on the Dave Damna Check Football Program 541 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: this week with highly recommend checking out. He was really 542 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: funny on that did. Yeah, everything about the Panthers is great. 543 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: Speaking of the Dave Damn Check Football Program, before I 544 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: swing it to you, guys, my wife cooked a pie 545 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: uh bourbon pecan pie on this week's episode of The 546 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: Check Show uh Pie competition, second annual hands. His family 547 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: won it, so she's cooked a pie for another podcast, 548 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: but not this one. Yes, basically, okay, I'm gonna just 549 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: think about what about your wife? What can ignore that 550 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: she's well when she cooks something that will be for 551 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: this podcast. I'm looking forward to that. Right. By the way, 552 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: I told my wife that kay Rich is going to 553 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: be involved with the cooking of the softball pants should 554 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: we need it. And uh, I think that another poor 555 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: error and judgment by myself because once she heard that 556 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: and now I'm out, Yeah, that was not to think 557 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, that was not well played. We may 558 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: never we we're not sure we're going to see give 559 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: a clear out. I don't know if there was a 560 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 1: strategy that would have come, I might have been kind 561 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: of like Gus Bradley devising a game plan for their 562 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: Jaguars game against Sanford, says, you might have the best 563 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: plan and possible, it's not gonna matter. Let me give 564 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: you something that I'm thankful, not thankful for, pleasantly surprised by, 565 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: because we're not thankful for anything, are we. Um. I 566 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: was gonna go Robert Quinn here because honestly, I think 567 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: he's become a dominant pass rusher. Interesting guy to watch, 568 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go somewhere else with this. You can 569 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: do both. I didn't there, but I don't. There's no 570 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: we got that. I think everyone agrees to some degree. 571 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm happy. I'm happy start with Quinn and then move on. 572 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: I am moving on because this is what I started 573 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: to think during the show. I'm happy that the read 574 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: option has been snuffed out to some degree. I kind 575 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: of thought it was cool last year, and it was 576 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: an interesting offseason topic. But in the end, the quarterbacks 577 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: that have made football, the skills that make a quarterback 578 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: good all along, aren't just vanishing. For guys that can 579 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: run around, you're you're when you're young, you can run around, 580 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: and that's going to be an asset. But I'm kind 581 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: of happy to see that, Like the pocket passer isn't vanishing. 582 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: Love a running quarterback though, I mean I loved it 583 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: as a kid. I love it too. I just didn't 584 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: want to suddenly we had, you know, Eli Manning run 585 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: that running the pistol and all this, forget that you 586 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: gotta throw the football. That's kind of like a grouchy 587 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: thing could be thankful for. I don't. Part of me 588 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: just feels I like the football all the way I've 589 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: always liked my football. I feel like you would have 590 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: the had had Matt Flynn not signed with the Packers 591 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: and performed well last week, you would have had some 592 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: something locked and loaded that you were thankful Matt Flynn's 593 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: career was terrible. No, that's been overstated. I just I 594 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,239 Speaker 1: find that that to be a rather uncreative decision by 595 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: the Packers. How about you, how about you raise up 596 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: a new young quarter mark. What you're saying with the 597 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: read option is like you're really happy the NFL is 598 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: still a place that guys like Carson Palmer I can 599 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: still get it done. I like both. I didn't want 600 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: to see the read option take over the entire league. 601 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: Quinn's great. I didn't know we only have to choose one. 602 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: I wrote down like six things. Well I chose to. 603 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: Apparently I was supposed to choose one, according to get 604 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: one six from Greg, all sorts of why don't we 605 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: just go down the list of everything? There's so much 606 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: there's like that they switch out the kicker ball and 607 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: you can't manipulate the ball before the kick. I'm very 608 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: thankful for that. Now, I have to I'm pleasantly surprised 609 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: by so many things. Uh, keep in mind, Wheely have 610 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes left. I don't like you to 611 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: keep this to two. Actually, Alison Jeffrey, let's start with it. 612 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: He's been a lot of fun to watch, and he's 613 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: kind of emblematic of that entire Bears offense where it 614 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the quarterback is. It's just it's not Cutler. 615 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: It's not my account, it's Tressman quarterback. That they're fun 616 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: to watch. Marshall, Jeffrey and Forte have to be the 617 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: most physical trio of skill position guys in the league. 618 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: So they've been fun. If I'm only getting two, and 619 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: how boring was that offense in the past, exactly? I 620 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: think that's part of it. Is there always on National TV. 621 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: It was sick of watching them. Now they're on and 622 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: it's fun. I think I gotta go with the Chargers 623 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: in general. Lard Darius Green is the next big thing 624 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: at tight end. He might be the fastest tight end 625 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Uh, Their rookie of the Year I 626 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: think is Keenan Allen. If if Eddie Lacy doesn't get it, 627 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,239 Speaker 1: it's Keenan Allen. Philip Rivers I've said a lot about him. 628 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: He's been a lot of fun. It's been so surprised, Eazy. 629 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: The only person in the country that said Ryan Matthews 630 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: was going to be good was was there, buddy Chris 631 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: westleyn And he's been a lot of fun too. So 632 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to Chargers offense pours him out for Chris 633 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: Wesley wherever he is. I was gonna say no Shan 634 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: Morena too. That's three though. He's making people miss No 635 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: one gives no Shoan any credit he does. He does 636 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: some things. Do the Chargers pay Philip Rivers fourteen million 637 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: dollars next season? Yes? Whatever they need to pay him. Yeah, 638 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: he's only getting better. Alright. That's it for Wednesday's edition 639 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: of the Around the League podcast. If you have not 640 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: checked out our previous pod, we broke down all three 641 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving games. I thought Mark gave a really incredible performance 642 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: during that podcast. So for nothing out there, think you 643 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: know I do remember doing that. You were there, so 644 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: check that out for a look ahead at all those games. Um. 645 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: Other than that, we will be back Friday. That what 646 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: that was an absolute backhanded compliment from Dan. Yeah, no, 647 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: I didn't really mean it for at all. So if 648 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: I would have complimented you like that too, it would 649 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: have been more more an insult. But yeah, no, I 650 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: think you do a great job. Thanks. I feel I 651 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: feel really good. Thank you. All Right, I gotta do 652 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: some healing with Mark after the show. Uh, and we 653 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: will be back on Friday. Greg, will you be with us? 654 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: I know Mark and I will be in the studio. 655 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: I'm questionable, but it was looking like it was doubtful earlier, 656 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: so we'll see. K Rich, will you be with us 657 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,719 Speaker 1: after my big Thanksgiving feast and all that Black Friday 658 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: shopping and probably getting no sleep? Are you just sitting 659 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: on a mountain of money? No, that's why you go 660 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: Black Friday shopping. You save money. Interesting, So until Friday, 661 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: this is Dan Hansens signing up for the Sizzler the 662 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: boss k Rich behind the glass and lie all the 663 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: intern who will be working double time on Thanksgiving forget 664 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: him until Friday,