1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio had the best sports talk lineup in 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: Darn right, it's go time. Is It's a time that 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: we get these officials out of the booth when it 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: comes to our broadcast. Boy, great night for Miami. Not 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: so much for those that wear the black and white 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: uniforms on the football field, the officials, or at least 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: the official in the booth. He is herein Torres. I'm 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: Dan Byer, but we're not the only ones here hanging 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: out at Fox Sports Radio on a Friday. Jason Stewart, 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: Iowa Sam, Isaac Lohencron. It's a great weekend for Iowa Sam. 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: You know how come I know this because Iowa Sam 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: was jacked up to talk some college football today, so 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: ja Our pre show meeting was good, twenty minutes just 16 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: talking about the old CFB, and I knew Sam was 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: in a good mood because of it. Just love talking 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: shop about it. 19 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 3: I will say, you know, the sec chant has been 20 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: well known for years. Sam tried to get a big ten, 21 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: big ten ten chance. 22 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 2: That was Christopher Fett. 23 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: Didn't really click the way I think Sam was hoping for. 24 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: I'm not Big ten big. I told you I hated 25 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: Big ten teams, and so the SEC started the SEC 26 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: chance None'm I go, I gotta kind of support the 27 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: other schools. But growing up being a Big ten guy, 28 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: I didn't like any of the other schools in the conference, 29 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: and so I thought it was so weird that the 30 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: SEC was claiming ownership when one team would win and 31 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: then all of the other teams felt like they had 32 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: a share of the title. It never made any sense 33 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: to me, by the way. 34 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: I know we got to get to the referee stuff, 35 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: but for half a second, I just want to say, 36 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: I do start to wonder was the SEC always actually 37 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: that dominant or was just Nick Saban that good? Like 38 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: if Nick Saban was was never born, certainly other teams 39 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 3: would have been good, and LSU would have had their 40 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: moment and Georgia would have had their moment. I think 41 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: the last fifteen years would have probably ended up being 42 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: a lot more balanced if Nick Saban had never been born. 43 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: I know it's another conversation for another day, But with 44 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: the the SEC supremacy was basically the Nick Saban supremacy. 45 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: So I think the top the Big Ten is really 46 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: really good. And I don't think that the bottom of 47 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: the Big Ten is good, but I think that the 48 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: top is really really good. And that's how I feel 49 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 2: like the SEC, like the top top. Whether if you 50 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: want to put Florida, Alabama, Georgia in, if you want 51 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: to put LSU Alabama, Georgia, whatever, whatever trio you want 52 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: to put, because it did vary a little bit for 53 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: your Auburn putting Auburn in, you can put them as 54 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: a part of the conversation. I do think that those 55 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: teams enduring that era, that they were that good. I 56 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: just think then we got this inflated sense of self 57 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 2: or they did that because they had the three best teams, 58 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: it also meant that they had the other eleven great teams, 59 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: and I don't think that was necessarily the case. So 60 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: even five, six, and seven, I don't think we're that 61 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: we're that good. But I do think that the top 62 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: of the SEC was superior to everyone else in college 63 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: football at one point in time. Iowa Sam I. 64 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: Would agree with that because Iowa was always beating that 65 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 4: like six or seventh ranked team in the Outback Bowl. 66 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: So there you have it. Yeah, and they beat this 67 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: year on the Relia Quest. 68 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 4: Formally Fanderbilt, who was kind of a fringe playoff team 69 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 4: ten and two. They were the only ten and two 70 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 4: in the Sorry, the only ten and two team in 71 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: the SEC left out of the playoff. 72 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: We laughed, we would when the bowl game started to 73 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: take on the sponsors and we would make fun of 74 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: all the different wacky sponsors. But who doesn't miss the 75 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: Outback Bowl, right. 76 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 4: It's it rolls off the tongue better than relya Quest, 77 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: I'll just say that. And it was a long time sponsor. 78 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: I know it used to be the Tangerine Bowl, right, 79 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 4: it was the Hall of. 80 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: Fame game for a while. 81 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: But like it once, like a sponsor has a bowl 82 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 4: game for a long time, you were like, you start 83 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: to love it. You're like, okay, I can get behind this. 84 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: Also, because they had the promotion, if one team won, 85 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: you could get the bloomin Onion. But if another team won, 86 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: there was the other Apple TiSER that they have at Outback, 87 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: so there was it was depending on which team won 88 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: the game, you would have a rooting interest. But I 89 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: also think when you see the popularity of how the 90 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: Pop Tarts Bowl is taken over the Duke's the Mayo 91 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: Bowl and dumping Mayo like that whole thing ended up 92 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: taking on a life of its own, and I think 93 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: now we miss some of those sponsors that are no 94 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: longer there. I saw last night somebody's like, it's always 95 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, Tomate. 96 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 4: Sorry, I think food food sponsors for bowl games is 97 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 4: so perfect because you put food into a bowl. 98 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: I just thought about that. 99 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, the best return on investment ever 100 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: from one of those things. Maybe pop Tarts surpassed it 101 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 3: this year. But when Brent Musburger said this one's for 102 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: all the Tostitos, and I think it was Oregon Auburn 103 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: back in whatever it was twenty eleven. 104 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: He used that reference. Actually, even in Ohio State Miami 105 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: that season. I didn't even know there was there was some, yeah, 106 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: some reference made, but yeah, you're absolutely right the Tostitos 107 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 2: Bowl then, and people would look at the Tostito's logo. 108 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: I'll be like, I think it's great stuff, But sorry, Verbo. 109 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: There were some people who were not happy last night 110 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: that Tostitos was not sponsoring the Fiesta Bowl. There are 111 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: also some people that were not happy in the officiating 112 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: and the officiating is where we want to go because 113 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 2: last night, this is what happened in the first half 114 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: of the game between Ole Miss and Miami. We'll let 115 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: the audio from ESPN and rules analyst Bill Lemagnier. It 116 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: gets the toss from Chris Fowler take it away early 117 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: rep for Bill Lemonnier. Are rules expert here, Bill, your 118 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: quick take on this one. 119 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: But definitely defensis player, strong hit to. 120 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 2: The head, neck area. I just shouldn't take long. 121 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 5: Thankfully, Tony got up and got off the field. And 122 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 5: Tony's in the tent. Call going into the tent as well, 123 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 5: but he may be removed from this football game after 124 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 5: look at at all these different. 125 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 6: Hits, routine that they have to check out Tony after 126 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 6: a hit like that in the tent. 127 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 5: Those slow motions, here's real speed. 128 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: And so we're getting the sense this is targeting again. 129 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: Someone's going to be ejected because. 130 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 5: Right the rules of protect a defensive player, right the 131 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 5: offensive player that's defenseless. 132 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: It's a matter of time before we're going to kick 133 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: someone out because of what Bill Lemonnier just told us 134 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: after review. There is no foul for targeting to play. 135 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 5: It's the play is the first down you disagree with me, 136 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 5: they're looking. 137 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: They also have to have an indicator in there, and 138 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't you know a launch the thrust that type 139 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: of thing and running straight into him. They've deemed that 140 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: that is not okay. 141 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: That's it's amazing when hearing a seventy five year old 142 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: man say thrust, that's not the worst part of the 143 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: piece of it. It's the complete one eighty on his 144 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 2: position after he was proven wrong. Yep, right, But it 145 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: was what are you there for? What are you there for? 146 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: And I think there's a bigger question on the broadcast 147 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: what is the role of it? And I give Fox 148 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: credit because Fox was the one who brought in Mike 149 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: Pereira and Dean Blandino in the first to do this 150 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: football wise, But I'm a golf guy. You guys know this. 151 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: Golf always had a rules official available for the broadcast, 152 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: specifically for an event like the US Open. And what 153 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: makes it so great with the rules of golf is 154 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: there is no subjectivity. If a guy hits the ball 155 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: out of bounds and it crosses a red line, the 156 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: rules official would be brought in to tell you where 157 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: across the hazard where he can drop it. What are 158 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: his options. He wasn't guessing at where the ball crossed 159 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: the out of bounds line or where across the hazard. 160 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: There's none of that. Like the rules are black and white, 161 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: and now in football where it isn't, there's a lot 162 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: of gray areas. To have an official up there and 163 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: tell you one thing, then the onfield official reverse it 164 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: and not have the replay official then either contradict what 165 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: the official is saying. To me is just awful and 166 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: a complete waste of all of our time. I I 167 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: it was Aaron. It was ridiculous last night, and it 168 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: makes me wonder why do we have people in the booth. 169 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: Then it's not that they don't get it right, but 170 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: now you're changing the way that you saw the play 171 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: a minute ago. I think that's BS. Yeah. 172 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: No, I could see the argument of if the ref 173 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: just called something different, you saying I fundamentally disagree. But 174 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: here is the argument for why in theory he made 175 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: this call. He did pivot pretty hard. Though he did 176 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: pivot pretty hard there. I will say I'll give credit 177 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 3: to our executive producer Jason Stewart because he said this 178 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: in the pre show meeting. I just think it shows 179 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: how subjective. All of these calls are to begin with 180 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 3: when the guy who's supposed to be the expert doesn't 181 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: either doesn't know the rule, doesn't understand the rule, or 182 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: just gets it wrong. And I think that's probably a 183 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: fun an issue with not only the targeting stuff, but 184 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: also which I'm sure we'll talk about before the end 185 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: of the segment, the past interference to end the game 186 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: as well. 187 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it was a bad look. Jay, You loving 188 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 2: the officials in the booth. I'm guessing not so much. 189 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 5: Well, you know my overall stance guys on predictions specifically 190 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 5: in our industry, there are loads of hosts throughout our 191 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 5: industry that just fill their shows with the predictions so 192 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 5: that the ten percent of the time they could when 193 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 5: the prediction comes true, they could put it on Twitter 194 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 5: and be like, I'm just gonna lead this here. There's 195 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 5: loads of a host that do that, okay, and I 196 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 5: can't stand it. Predictions don't serve anybody, specifically the listeners, 197 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 5: And why would you have your expert do the prediction. 198 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 5: Just explain to us what the officials are contemplating in 199 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 5: the moment, and then after the fact, explain why they 200 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 5: decided that way when you do the prediction, you're exposing 201 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 5: your network for the choice that they made of you 202 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 5: as the expert, and you're exposing the officials on the 203 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 5: field like you're undercutting everybody. Like why the rush to predict? 204 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 5: I don't get that. 205 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: I don't either, and especially too he was peacockying it. 206 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: It should be pretty quick, right, like, let's step aside Fouler, 207 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: this is La Monnier time, Isaac Lohnkron, what do you got. 208 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 7: Fox's decision to start this whole officiating analyst role with 209 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 7: Mike Pereira and then after that Dean Blandino was revolutionary. 210 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 7: So I feel that the two of them, as well 211 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 7: as Gene sterotare over at CBS, are the gold standard. 212 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 7: Now it's gotten to the point where everybody is inserting 213 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 7: a rules analyst into their telecast, even in different sports, 214 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 7: and it's starting to be sort of a set of dilution, 215 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 7: and I feel, and Jason hit on this, the role 216 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 7: of the officiating analyst has started to transition to the 217 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 7: detriment of the viewing experience, from a true analyst who 218 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 7: explains the rules and puts everything into perspective into a 219 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 7: judge and an opinionator who says good call, bad call, 220 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 7: which is an opinion just like the analyst on the 221 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 7: broadcast can do. I feel the role is transitioning to 222 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 7: a place where it does not serve the viewer. It 223 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 7: needs to be sort of a contextual clarification role. Here's 224 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 7: what they're looking at. 225 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: Sure, And I would say, like again, I think that 226 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: golf was the front runner in this because they had 227 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: gone on for decades, not to the extent of football, 228 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 2: but they actually had someone to explain the rules. And 229 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: the rules are pretty They're complicated, but they're black and white. 230 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: That's one or the other, and that's what it's going 231 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 2: to be. There's not a lot of wiggle room. What 232 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 2: we're finding out with more and more of this is 233 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: how much wiggle room that there actually is. And I 234 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: also look at honestly, I'll blame ESPN because when you 235 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: listen to an ESPN college football broadcast, specifically with Fowler 236 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: and Herb Street, everything is ho hum, smooth and good 237 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: to go. You don't want much conflict, you don't want 238 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: stuff contrasting each other. It's a smooth follower as smooth 239 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: and in his delivery, Herb Street saying what he does, 240 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: doesn't get real deep, just does kind of top of 241 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: the line stuff and moves on and you don't get 242 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: any of that conflict in a booth. Not that people 243 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: want to listen to conflict, but that's what it sounded like. 244 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: For one way. It's called targeting. Yep, gonna go targeting, yep, 245 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: that's absolutely targeting. This should be quick. No targeting on 246 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 2: the play yep. Well what they were looking for was 247 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: a thrust here, and that's all smoothing it over and 248 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: making it real nice, which is I think something that 249 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: ESPN wants, but I just think it completely did not 250 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: serve the viewer last night. 251 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna add to what is funny is 252 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 3: and you rarely see this is the rare either analyst 253 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: or play by play guy that will just openly just 254 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 3: call the rules analyst an idiot and just disagree with him. 255 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: Because usually, to Isaac's. 256 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: Point, it's an analyst, it's not an analyst, it's an expert. 257 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 3: It's somebody that's official. His word is the final word. 258 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 3: And the one guy that stands out watched tonight, Sean 259 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 3: mcda will be like, if there's like a questionable targeting 260 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: and the rules analyst comes on and whatever, that's got 261 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 3: to be targeting, textbook targeting. But Sean McDonald just be like, 262 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: well that's a stupid rule. Then well we need to 263 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: get that rule out. And it's like you don't see 264 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 3: that very often. But I also do enjoy the friction 265 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: of when an analyst or a play by play guy 266 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 3: will say, Okay, maybe that is the interpretation of the rule, 267 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 3: but I just fundamentally disagree with that actual interpretation. 268 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 4: I was Sam, you know what also I think is 269 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 4: stupid is the term indisputable video evidence. I'm just tired 270 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 4: of it. It's been around forever. Video evidence is inherently disputable. Okay, 271 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 4: people see things different ways. That's happening right now in 272 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 4: our country. So basically we need to get rid. 273 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: Of that term. 274 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: We need to call it like overwhelming video evidence something 275 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 4: like that, Like it's just indisputable. It's such like a 276 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 4: cut and dry thing that people see things differently, and like, 277 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 4: we just it's just a term that I just peep. 278 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 4: They use it like it's just it's so valid and 279 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: it's not. It's just a terrible term. 280 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: And I think last night it was also a blending 281 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: of people who like or dislike replay, and then we 282 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: have the conversation that we're also talking about here is 283 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: an official and how you use the official throughout that game. 284 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: To Jason's point of if Bill Lemonnier comes on and says, 285 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: this is what the officials are looking at and gives 286 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: everything that he said after the point, and then the 287 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: call is made, he then could give his opinion on 288 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: what it actually was. If he said they're looking for 289 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: a thrust, if they're looking for a launch in all 290 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 2: of those things, that's how you go about it, and 291 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: that's what I think Pereira and Blandino do. And then 292 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: ultimately in the end maybe you'll let Herbstreet or Follower 293 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: draw their conclusion or Lamannier comes in. But it also 294 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: when you're doing this, puts a real big spotlight on 295 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: the inconsistent sees of officiating at the college level and 296 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: in the National Football League. And I think that Sterotory 297 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: and Blandino and im Pereira think more like the officials 298 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: are all kind of in the same group. College football. 299 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: You have packed twelve big twelve officials. He had packed 300 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: twelve officials that one day, acc SEC big ten officials 301 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: from all different leagues and then they're not. It's not 302 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: necessarily necessarily the same, and so you're getting a wide 303 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: variety of different calls. And I think that last night 304 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: just put a magnifying glass under maybe how how poor 305 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: the officiating could be in college football. Even though ultimately 306 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: I think they got the play right, like they got 307 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: the call right in the players going for the the 308 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: defender going for the football, that it wasn't targeting, that 309 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: was great. But if a guy up in the booth 310 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: is trying to go through what he thinks. If Bill 311 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: Lemonnier was on the field, he you know, would have 312 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: called that targeting and kicked the guy out. Just weird. 313 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 5: I don't know if it was Isaac or Aaron, but 314 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 5: I think that there still is a necessity for it. 315 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 5: I think it's a good idea that every league should do, 316 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 5: because remember there was a play in the World Series. 317 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 5: There was one of those plays where a throw hit 318 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 5: the runner and there was like question about whether he 319 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 5: was in the baseline or not. And I remember in 320 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 5: the time thinking that not having an umpire in the 321 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 5: booth to at least get the clarification of the rule 322 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 5: is a big miss here because that broadcasters weren't hitting 323 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 5: on what the exact rule is, because maybe they don't 324 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 5: know the exact rules. So I think there's a necessity 325 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 5: for it. I think the viewer expects to be informed. 326 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 5: I just think that when you get into the prediction part, 327 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 5: this is what they will call that exposes everybody. 328 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 7: And I will say this, broadcasters desperately themselves want to 329 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 7: know the rules and get them right. But there's so 330 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 7: much other information that a broadcaster needs to know. An 331 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 7: officiating analyst, that's their specialty, that's their rule book, and 332 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 7: there's so many unusual rules in any rule book that 333 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 7: nobody knows about except people who are professional officiate professional officials, 334 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 7: that that is their role to know in case an unusual, 335 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 7: rare situation comes up that only someone who is a 336 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 7: professional officiate official would know. 337 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 2: Football is tough, Basketball is tough. I think baseball is 338 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: more long along the lines of golf. It either is 339 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: or it isn't. And maybe in a lot of cases 340 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: of what the actual rule is. What did you say, Sam, 341 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: You said tennis in my ear. 342 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I just say tennis is something like it's 343 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 4: over the liner. It's not like I know you guys 344 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 4: are talking about different things here. 345 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's in or out, you know sort of thing. 346 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, the actual like imflemation of of the rules. 347 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: You know, the golf rule book is you know, section six, 348 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: you know, to a blah blah blah, and there's there's 349 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: a lot to it, so you need someone there and 350 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: it aids to it. But football is football is a 351 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: tough one. I know we only have half a second here, 352 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: but I will ask you really quick. I have long 353 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: believed that, especially we're talking about college FOOTB games specifically, 354 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: if you're gonna send Trinidad Chambliss, Keywon Lacy, whoever up 355 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 2: to the podium to talk after a loss, the referee 356 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: should be available to the general public. 357 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: Do you agree with that or not? Like a referee 358 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: should have to take the podium and if there are 359 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 3: questions should have to answer them. 360 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 2: I don't think they should be protected. Yeah, I think 361 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: like in the NFL they aren't. You can request to 362 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: speak with that, you know, with a pool reporter and 363 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: have that sort of clarity. So I think in a way, yes, 364 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: I just wouldn't want to sit through any refereeing press conferences. No, 365 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 2: I understand. Yeah, that's just like all right, you can 366 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 2: go Torres, you can go cover that see if it 367 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: was holding in the second quarter or not, because you 368 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: know they you know it would you know. 369 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: Right, It's like Major League Baseball. It's like it's nice 370 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 3: to have the manager available. Even though out of one 371 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two games, there's maybe like six that 372 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: you actually need something noteworthy after a game, but it's 373 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: still good to have them there when you need them. 374 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: It's good to have Jared Smith with us. He's gonna 375 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: come up next, give us a preview of the NFL 376 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: wild Card weekend, and even a look at tonight's Oregon 377 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 2: Indiana game. Of course, Jared co host of Countdown to Kickoff, 378 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: presented by Bett MGM every Saturday morning. Jared's gonna join 379 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: us next. He's erin Torres. 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Yes, Isaac does. 396 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 3: Until he took that victory lap, I was like, but 397 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 3: it was such a definitive this is how it's gonna 398 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 3: go down. 399 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 6: And then it didn't. 400 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: It was off the bleachers, Get off the bleachers? Yes, 401 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: yes Hm. Jared Smith joining us now. Countdown to Kickoff 402 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: presented by Bett mgm every Saturday morning here on Fox 403 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: Sports Radio. He's the co host alongside Brian Noen Rich Ornberger, 404 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: airing between nine o'clock Eastern Time going up until noon Eastern. 405 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 2: You can listen well I haven't any of our Fox 406 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 2: Sports Radio a Philates or the iHeartRadio app again, all 407 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 2: presented by Bett mgm. Do you get that sense with 408 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: Bill Lamannier, the ESPN rules official, just that cranky teacher 409 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 2: that you had back in the day that just never 410 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: saw your side of things. 411 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 6: Nobody really knows what any call is anymore. I think 412 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 6: when I watch these games. For example, I watched the 413 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 6: play the last play of the game last night, which 414 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 6: I didn't classify as a hell mary from the thirty 415 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 6: five yard line, Like, I think that was a little 416 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 6: bit closer than that. It looked like p I to me, 417 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 6: And I know you swallow the whistle on that situation. 418 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 6: I get it. But if that play happens in the 419 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 6: first quarter, they call PI, like, I think that's the 420 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 6: bar that I kind of set. So I don't think 421 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 6: anyone really knows what any penalties are anymore. In the 422 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 6: NFL and in college. I've been on this soapbox for 423 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 6: the last couple of months. I think we need to 424 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 6: make every penalty reviewable by the replay assist. I'm not 425 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 6: saying we have to stop the game and replay it, 426 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 6: but I think if it's a blatant error, I think 427 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 6: the replay the eye and the sky should correct it. 428 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 6: And I think that's kind of the vibe I get 429 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 6: because officiating in college and the NFL has never it's 430 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 6: in an all time. 431 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 2: Get ready for those five and a half hour football games, 432 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 2: Jared Smith, I mean, geez, I didn't even get to 433 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: the pass interference Aaron and I disagree. I thought it was. 434 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: I thought that your point was my point as well. 435 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: It was at the thirty five. Wasn't necessarily a hail 436 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: mary situation. Also, it's not the NFL. The ball doesn't 437 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: get placed at the one. It would have been a 438 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: fifteen yard penalty, and there still would have been an 439 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: opportunity for Miami to really have an opportunity to defend that. 440 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 2: But pass interference calls or non calls in Miami a 441 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: thing when it comes to college football postseason. Let's get 442 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 2: some Tonight's game Oregon Indiana rematch of the Big Ten 443 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: regular season matchup that they had in October. Whose side 444 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: are you on tonight in the Peach Bowl in Atlanta? 445 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 6: Well, market wise, right, this thing's been sitting three and 446 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 6: a half pretty much all week. And of course, if 447 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 6: you're into the gambling sphere, you know that three is 448 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 6: a very important number in football. It's called a key number. 449 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 6: In college it lands about ten percent of the time, 450 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 6: so on or off that number is very important. You 451 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 6: saw a lot of people betting Indiana this week at 452 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 6: three and a half didn't care that, you know, the 453 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 6: hook is, as we call it, was on that key number. 454 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: Well, there are. 455 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 6: Some pretty significant wagers happening today on Oregon. Some sharp 456 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 6: betters in town really really like the Ducks at plus 457 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 6: three and a half. So now we're seeing it go 458 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 6: on to that key number of three at three. I 459 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 6: like Indiana, and I think it's just a matter of 460 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 6: I think optics matters. Like Indiana clearly is the best 461 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 6: team in college Fooball right, Now, does that mean they're 462 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 6: gonna win tonight? No, but they are a worthy favorite, 463 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 6: and I think when you look at their offense, it's 464 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 6: it's a lot of simplicity with their run game. They 465 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 6: actually had their lowest rushing game of the season in 466 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 6: the first matchup against Organ, just three point three yards 467 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 6: per carry, and they had zero runs of fifteen or 468 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 6: more yards. I do like Dan Lannings defense. They are 469 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 6: built from from the bottom up. The two big tackles 470 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 6: Alexander and Washington. They really won that battle in the 471 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 6: first matchup. The linebackers are good at the second level betcher, 472 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 6: Mixon and Jackson did a good job kind of cleaning 473 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 6: things up. I think those two middleman Alexander and Washington 474 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 6: are gonna be key tonight. Mendoza didn't play well in 475 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 6: the first matchup. It was the second worst passing great 476 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 6: of the year. Oregon really got pressure on Mendoza and 477 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 6: on the other side, there was even more pressure on 478 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 6: Dante More almost a fifty percent pressure rate for him. 479 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 6: So both quarterbacks struggled. Both run games struggled. I think 480 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 6: Indiana made a few more plays than Oregon did. But 481 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 6: I'll be honest when I when I look at this game, 482 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 6: it definitely feels like a toss up, and once we 483 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 6: get the value onto that key number of three, I 484 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 6: think that's where I feel comfortable laying the points with 485 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 6: the Hoosiers before we. 486 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 2: Get to the NFL. 487 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 3: Just one more college football question, you know, Dan and 488 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 3: I opened this show like so many did today, about 489 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: you know, downfalls. Maybe a little bit of a heavy word, 490 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: but the SEC clearly is not what it used to 491 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: be in terms of results, and I was just curious 492 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 3: if you had any kind of metrics or data from 493 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: the betting world, whether it's you know, how you rank. 494 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: I'm blanking on the right word the verbiage here, but basically, 495 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: do you have like empirical data in what you do 496 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: that shows that the SEC isn't what it was even. 497 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 6: Three four years ago. It's a great question, Aaron. I 498 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 6: think ratings wise, yes, I think the SEC dominance is 499 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 6: starting to be tapered a little bit. For example, last year, 500 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 6: Organ was the best team in the country all year 501 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 6: long and then they got exposed by another Big ten team. 502 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 6: But in terms of the power ratings, I don't think 503 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 6: you're seeing as many SEC teams in that elite tier. 504 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 6: And then they get these cross pollination matchups in the 505 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 6: bowl games and they were terrible. I mean it was 506 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 6: absolutely awful. I think I tweeted out last night the 507 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 6: only SEC postseason wins against non SEC teams were all 508 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 6: miss over Tulane and Texas over Michigan, who didn't have 509 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 6: a head coach. And obviously they're going through a lot 510 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 6: right now with their program. The SEC finished two and 511 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 6: eight straight up and against the spread, so sometimes right 512 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 6: they're winning games but not covering well. They weren't winning 513 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 6: or covering one and three in the CFP against non 514 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 6: SEC teams so I think you can absolutely make the 515 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 6: case that NIL. Right, it used to be the rural 516 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 6: gas stations out and you know in you know, Alabama, 517 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 6: Mississippi would be you know, spending all this money for 518 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 6: these players, and that was the only way to pay players. Well, 519 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 6: now you can pay players in many different ways, and 520 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 6: I think you're starting to see the diversity of funds 521 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 6: really have an impact on the overall landscape of college football. 522 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 6: I mean, go back and just look at who's played 523 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 6: in the National Championship game over the last I don't 524 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 6: know decade. I mean it's it's Michigan, it's Washington, it's 525 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 6: Ohio State. You get Oregon and Indiana in the championship, 526 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 6: you know, semi final tonight, you have you have Notre Dame. 527 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 6: So it's just I think it's starting to spread out 528 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 6: in terms of it's not going to be all SEC 529 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 6: dominance from here on out. I think the NIL and 530 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 6: the portal is really a level the playing field. 531 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: All right, let's switch gears with Jared Smith. He's Aaron Torres. 532 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byer to the National Football League. You guys 533 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 2: will be previewing a wild card weekend with two games 534 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: coming up on Saturday. I want to start with the 535 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: nightcap in Chicago. Packers one and a half point favorite 536 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 2: over the Bears in their NFC Wildcard showdown. Always will 537 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: be a chilly night in Chicago. But why is Green 538 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: Bay favored in this matchup between NFC North rivals. 539 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 6: I'll be honest, I don't know, Dan, I mean, I 540 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 6: do know. 541 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: It's the VOA. 542 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 6: It's you know, all these metrics that they look at 543 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 6: that cook up these ratings that makes green Bay a 544 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 6: you know, for you to be a road favorite, usually 545 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 6: you get at least one or two points for being 546 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 6: at home, and green Bay being a favorite in the 547 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 6: game means they are at least three points better than 548 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 6: Chicago on a neutral field. I don't know if I 549 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 6: agree with that. And first of all, green Bay is 550 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 6: missing their best pass rusher, and I think their defense 551 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 6: has definitely taken a little bit of a step back 552 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 6: without Michael Parsons. Secondly, at what point do we ignore 553 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 6: some of the metrics and we say Chicago is just 554 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 6: really good at winning close games. They've done it all year, 555 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 6: and I think a lot of that's coaching, a lot 556 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 6: of that's mental toughness. Those are things that can't be 557 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 6: baked into a number that can't be accounted for on 558 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 6: a spreadsheet. These are intangibles, and then you throw in 559 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 6: the momentum factor. Green Bay's lost four games in a row. 560 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 6: That's only happened once in the last twenty five years 561 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 6: a team entering the playoffs on a four game losing streak. 562 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 6: It was last year. It was the Steelers, and then 563 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 6: they got beat by two touchdowns by the Ravens in 564 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 6: the wildcard round. So I think it's pretty disrespectful that 565 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 6: Chicago is playing a divisional opponent in a division they won, 566 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 6: and they're a home underdog in the playoffs. And again, 567 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 6: I know why it's happening, but it's really remarkable. 568 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: This is where I come from, the the just the 569 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: average fan, average Joe's scenario is, I remember what happened 570 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: with Bears Packers in Soldier Field. I remember what happened 571 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: at lambeau Field. Those are two very close games, but 572 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: I mean, the Packers go in and almost upset Chicago, 573 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: but they don't get an on side kick, and the 574 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: Bears score and end up rallying and get the win. 575 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: Like I remember all of that. I just feel like 576 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: Las Vegas was smarter than me, you know what I mean, 577 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: Like I saw green Bay. Yeah yeah, and that's what 578 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: we always hear, yes, yes, And so I thought it 579 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: would be like, Okay, this is how it's going to 580 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: play out. But Vegas still is saying that it's it's 581 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: green Bay. And that's what kind of you know, just 582 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: caught me by surprises. I just think most of us 583 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: Joe's would think, like, all right, even though they lost, 584 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: they were tight games, it's gonna be the Bears in 585 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: the playoffs. But that wasn't the case. 586 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 6: There's no doubt that the sharper side is, but that 587 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 6: doesn't mean the sharper side always wins. So and here's 588 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 6: another reason why I think Green Bay is getting some love. 589 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 6: There's a trend out there that's a very popular trend. 590 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 6: It's very profitable trend. Right, quarterbacks that have playoff experience 591 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 6: playing a wildcard game because it has to be wildcard 592 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 6: game unless I guess the team is in the number 593 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 6: one seed in the divisional round against a quarterback making 594 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 6: his playoff debut. So the quarterbacks that are making their 595 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 6: playoff debut are covering at around thirty four percent twenty 596 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 6: wins thirty nine losses in one push against the spread 597 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 6: and twenty and forty straight up. So out of sixty 598 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 6: games where the playoff debutante has gone up against a 599 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 6: playoff veteran in terms of quarterbacking, only twenty straight up wins. 600 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 6: So obviously, with this game being a pick on it, 601 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 6: it's not going to really come down to the spread. 602 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 6: Most likely it's going to be whoever wins the game 603 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 6: will obviously cover. And that's why I think Green Bay's 604 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 6: getting some love. But again I don't know how much 605 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 6: I buy that, because it just I think Chicago you 606 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 6: have to at some point them credit for winning these games, 607 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 6: and those are things that maybe aren't fully baked into 608 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 6: the number. So I'm on the Bears. I'll go down 609 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 6: with the Caleb Williams ship and the Ben Johnson ship. 610 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 6: If Jordan Love comes in there and smacks them around, 611 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 6: I'll tip my cat. But if you're giving me any 612 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 6: value as an underdog for a divisional winner facing a 613 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 6: divisional opponent at home in the playoffs, I can't not take. 614 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: That very quickly. 615 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 3: I'll ask you about another one and a half point 616 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 3: home favorite, at least according to the book that I'm 617 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: looking at, or road favorite. I think as at home favorite, 618 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 3: road favorite Buffalo Bills. We know what's at stake for them. 619 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: We know, frankly, what's its sake for everybody in that 620 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 3: building from Sean mcdermotton down. How do you see this 621 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 3: one playing out? 622 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, this is a toss up game for sure. I mean, 623 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 6: the Jacks are arguably the hottest, hottest team in the NFL, 624 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 6: eight to zero straight up and against the spread over 625 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 6: their last eight. 626 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: The Bills. 627 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 6: We've seen this before with Buffalo in the postseason. These 628 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 6: games typically go over. In fact, of the last ten 629 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 6: playoff games for the Bills, eight of them have gone 630 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 6: over the total, and in seven of those ten, Buffalo 631 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 6: scored at least twenty seven points. It's fair to say 632 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 6: the Bills defense is maybe a little bit unlucky this year. 633 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 6: I know they've been a downtrodden unit. But again, peeling 634 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 6: back to curtain for how I analyze games, Buffalo is 635 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 6: a top five pressure eighteen, but just eighteenth in quarterback 636 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 6: sack percentage. What does that mean? They're generating pressure, they're 637 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 6: just not finishing the deal. And sometimes you know, the 638 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 6: sacks can be a little bit fluky sometimes where you 639 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 6: generate the pressure but you don't necessarily get home. You 640 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 6: still impact the quarterback, and Buffalo I think has done 641 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 6: a better job than maybe some of the numbers reflect 642 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 6: impacting the quarterback this year. Joey Bosen needs to be 643 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 6: really good in this game. He got some full practice 644 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 6: in this week. That's a good sign. And Trevor Lawrence, Right, 645 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 6: you go from twelfth in EPA to twenty third when 646 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 6: pressured this year. So when he's kept clean, he's a 647 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 6: top ten, top fifteen quarterback. When he's not well now 648 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 6: he's a bottom ten quarterback. So the Buffalo run game 649 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 6: I think will be key here. We've seen the Jags 650 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 6: give up some big quarterback run games, right, gave up 651 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 6: sixty to Mahomes on Monday Night Football. They gave up 652 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 6: forty to Bryce Young earlier this year, even gave up 653 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 6: thirty nine to Brady Cook a few weeks ago. So 654 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 6: if Josh Allen's foot is healthy, the high leverage games, 655 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 6: Aaron is where I see the quarterback run game becoming 656 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 6: more of a factor. I would say Trevor Lawrence is 657 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 6: in that category as well. Both of those quarterbacks, they're big, 658 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 6: they're strong the game. Obviously, both teams need it like 659 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 6: blood I would say quarterback run game would be my 660 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 6: first prop. Angle both quarterbacks over their rushing yards and 661 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 6: rushing attempts prop, and then I think this is going 662 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 6: to be a higher scoring back and forth game. 663 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: He's Jared Smith, our Fox Sports Radio betting analysts and 664 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: co host of Fox Sports Radio's Countown to Kickoff with 665 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 2: Rich Hornberger and Brian know Airs each Saturday between nine 666 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 2: in noon Eastern Time. Listen live on any of our 667 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio affiliates or on the iHeartRadio app. It's 668 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 2: all presented by Bett MGM. Jared always appreciate the knowledge. 669 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: Can't wait to listen tomorrow morning. Thanks man, good stuff, guys, 670 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: good luck this weekend. 671 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 672 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 673 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. 674 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: He's Ered Torres. I'm Dan by our Fox Sports Radio 675 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: De Costa into the weekend the Commasara Iowa, Sam Isaac 676 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: Lohncron and Jason Stewart Love a little Falco got more 677 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: hits than you would believe. Rip to Falco. The Miami 678 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: Dolphins have hired a general manager coming in the form 679 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: of Green Bay Packers executive John Eric Sullivan. Two things 680 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: at play here. First of all, let's get to something 681 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 2: that was pointed out by Peter Schrager of ESPN. When 682 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: you're looking at connections, and you're looking at teams filling 683 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: the GM roles, and there are two of them, the 684 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: Dolphins and the Falcons. If one GM comes from one team, 685 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: guess what he may bring along somebody from that same team. 686 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: Joe Shane and Brian Dable package deal when they came 687 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: from Buffalo to the New York Giants. Dolphins probably hoping 688 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: for more success than what the Giants had, but could 689 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: be a spot for Jeff Haffley, the Packers defensive coordinator. 690 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: But it's also interesting because it felt like the Dolphins 691 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: were maybe firing Mike McDaniel so they could get a 692 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: shot at John Harbaugh and Tony Grossi on ESPN Cleveland 693 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: earlier today said that Harbaugh wanted to pick his own 694 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: general manager or bring in his own GM. We had 695 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 2: asked Mark Dominic about that, said, maybe that's not necessarily 696 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 2: the exact black and white situation that if you run 697 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: a few names by Harball he may be good with. 698 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 2: But interesting that the Dolphins who have worked for months 699 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 2: in trying to find a new GM find one from 700 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: Green Bay where one of their assistants could be a 701 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 2: head coach. I don't know if that signals that Harbaugh 702 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 2: is in or out, but I just find it unique 703 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 2: considering the timing of the McDaniel firing this week, which 704 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: came after the Harball firing, which wasn't alongside the other 705 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: ones that came Monday. Yeah, you know, I don't surprise prize. 706 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 3: I don't have any inside information in this, but you 707 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 3: start putting the puzzle pieces together. It's also worth noting 708 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 3: we had Mark Dominic on the show in our one, 709 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 3: and he seemed to indicate that he believes it could 710 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 3: very much be in play. Steven Ross, of course, has 711 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 3: a relationship with the Harbaugh family, tried to hire Jim 712 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 3: multiple times. He's a Michigan guy, so it gets interesting, 713 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 3: and this John Eric Sullivan twist certainly adds to it. 714 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 2: And I know that John and Eric Sullivan's twist is 715 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 2: also intriguing to Jason Stewart because of the hyphenated first name. 716 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 2: This caught you a little off guard, Jay stew. 717 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 5: That's a weird one. 718 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: John Eric. 719 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 5: You don't find a lot of hyphenated first names. And 720 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 5: I'm just wondering if his nickname like behind his back 721 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 5: is generic. It's he and looking at his pictures a 722 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 5: very generic guy too, it would probably be the case. 723 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 2: Here's here's where I thought it was interesting. John j 724 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 2: O N but Eric E er I C so Eric 725 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: most of the times spelt with the C. John though 726 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 2: most of the time spelt spelled with an H. So 727 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: drop the H but kept the C. Wasn't an Eric 728 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 2: with a K, which I thought maybe like John, Eric 729 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 2: would then be like, well, of course he's from Finland, 730 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: you alrighty sees from Norway like it's very Scandinavian, but 731 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 2: it is. It is does take some getting used to. 732 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 2: Like even Carl Anthony consons. The only one I could 733 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 2: think of, Yeah where I it says Town's on the 734 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 2: back and that should tell you everything was Shay Gilgess Alexander. 735 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 2: We see the gildess Alexander, but I forget that his 736 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 2: name is Carl Anthony and that his last name isn't 737 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 2: Anthony Towns. Oh, yeah, you know what I mean. 738 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 3: No, it took me a while to get the hyphenated 739 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 3: first name. That's the only other one I can think 740 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 3: of Also, yeah, John John Eric Sullivan is not from Finland, Columbia, 741 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 3: South Carolina. Could it be further from Finland? 742 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 2: If it was, if there was a K, I would 743 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 2: have thought maybe the Scandinavian. Maybe maybe not well, Hed. 744 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 5: Put an h at the end of eric like take 745 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 5: the from the John put it at the end of Erica. 746 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 4: The only one, the only other instance I could think 747 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 4: it was Anne Margaret just typhoning. 748 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I how about this, like how plain names 749 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 2: do you hyphenite? This would be like this is Bill 750 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 2: Dave Johnson, right, like like Bill Dave Mark Tom all right, 751 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 2: I guess was it was it Mark Paul Gossler. That'd 752 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 2: be kind of along the same lines. Yeah, that's probably 753 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 2: the movie equivalent of John Eric Sullivan. He's eron Torres. 754 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 2: Listen to him Sunday, Listen to Saturday. Listen to me 755 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: Sunday on Fox