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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your Host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals play

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Speaker 1: by play announcer Dave Pash. My guest this week is

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Speaker 1: a former colleague of mine at ESPN and current Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports broadcaster Tom Rinaldi. Tom is one of the great

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Speaker 1: storytellers of all time, whether it's in a feature reporting

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Speaker 1: role or as a sideline reporter, and he was on

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals sideline this past Sunday for the Cards win

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Speaker 1: over San Francisco. After the game, he interviewed Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: He also interviewed James Connor and he shared a moment

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Speaker 1: with Connor after the game because the two go way back.

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Speaker 1: He covered the trials and tribulations that James went through

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Speaker 1: fighting cancer while he was at Pittsburgh and loved covering

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Speaker 1: Connor then and now as well.

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Speaker 2: How do you not love that player? How he did

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Speaker 2: not admire that player? That will that art.

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk about what it's like to work with

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady and also some of Tom's favorite stories from

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Speaker 1: players and coaches that he's covered in the past. We

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Speaker 1: Time now for a conversation with Fox Sports Tom Rinaldi,

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Speaker 1: tom My Man, great senior. You're one of my favorites,

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Speaker 1: so it's good to see a pal.

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Speaker 2: It's great to see you, Dave. I hear you obviously

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Speaker 2: all the time. I see you on TV, but I

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Speaker 2: miss being with you in person. Yeah. We could go

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Speaker 2: on and on just about how much I love you

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Speaker 2: and appreciate you. But great to see you virtually.

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Speaker 1: If there is a list of top ten all time

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Speaker 1: combination at ESPN of great broadcasters and great hangs, like

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Speaker 1: people that you'd want to spend as much time as

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Speaker 1: possible with that are all so great on the air,

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Speaker 1: tom Rinaldi is by far in the top ten, probably

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Speaker 1: top five.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's vastly overstating if but thank you, Dave, because

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Speaker 2: we've had a few hangs. I hope they were more

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Speaker 2: than tolerable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, I miss them. I miss him for sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy things are going well for you at Fox.

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Speaker 1: And obviously you had the Cardinals game on Sunday. What

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Speaker 1: was it like other than the fact you were probably

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Speaker 1: sweating to death through that suit. What was it like

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Speaker 1: down on the Cardinals sideline.

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Speaker 2: You know, we were talking just briefly a moment ago,

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Speaker 2: Dave about just how really unusual the game flow was

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Speaker 2: and what the Cardinals showed and in a way with

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Speaker 2: the Niners showed there, particularly in the second half. I mean,

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Speaker 2: going at at halftime, you either get the coach heading

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Speaker 2: going in, and I thought, you know, he obviously he

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Speaker 2: said that the pick that Tyler through that Bosa had,

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Speaker 2: he said he wasn't worried about that. It's a mistake.

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Speaker 2: Those happen. He has a next play mentality he won't

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Speaker 2: linger in that moment. That didn't happen, So that was correct.

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Speaker 2: Number Two, he said, listen, you got to credit them

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Speaker 2: for the penetration on the block field goal, but that

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Speaker 2: can't happen. It didn't happen. Again. Three, he said, we

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Speaker 2: have to do a better job of getting their guys

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Speaker 2: on the ground. Tom like, at the point of contact.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of mistackles. That's not us. We're missing

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Speaker 2: a lot of tackles. That did continue, Dave, right, we

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Speaker 2: saw that, we saw some key three. Four, five yards

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Speaker 2: in front of the sticks, catches that were converted. And

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Speaker 2: yet when you got to that fourth quarter, first of all,

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Speaker 2: hats off defensively holding them scoreless, the turnover battle, which

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Speaker 2: is such a huge indicator, but the spirit and competitive

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Speaker 2: fight of the team to pull that off, Dave, I

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Speaker 2: think was really significant. I think that's a really, really

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Speaker 2: good win.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned JG and what he said to you on

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Speaker 1: the field, and by the way, I have to clarify

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Speaker 1: every question I ask with you. I have to really

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Speaker 1: think about because you're the master at asking questions, so I.

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Speaker 2: Have to make it calmed down.

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Speaker 1: I'm being graded here. I feel like I'm not at all.

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Speaker 1: It's like Jeff An Gundy used to say when he

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Speaker 1: was coaching and Hubie Brown was broadcasting, because you know

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Speaker 1: from working with Hube, he's always taken notes that Jeff

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Speaker 1: always wanted to ask QB after the coaches meeting, did

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. But one tiny quick anecdote on Hubie Brown.

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Speaker 2: I was coaching our sons Steeyo Basketball League for those

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Speaker 2: that don't know, kind of like the church league. Our

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Speaker 2: I asked Hubie for a baseline inbounds play, baseline inbound

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Speaker 2: play to try to score forty five minutes later, and

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Speaker 2: thirteen cocktail napkins. I had thirteen bounce plays from You'll

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Speaker 2: Be Brown, No Lie.

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Speaker 3: The next weekend we ran one nine seconds to go

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Speaker 3: in the game, right ball, Who's who's the most open

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Speaker 3: person the inbounder, get up to the guy, go to

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Speaker 2: You'll Be Brown so good, and it's so hu.

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Speaker 1: He's always willing to help and like you're you're speaking

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Speaker 1: his language when you're asking for that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know, and he loves you. He loved working with you.

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Speaker 2: Such a great such a great guy, such a great person.

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Speaker 1: Just turned ninety one by the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, amazing.

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Speaker 1: So tell me the production meeting with JG. So we

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Speaker 1: but sure when we do TV we get to meet

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Speaker 1: with JG. And obviously you and I have done hundreds

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Speaker 1: of these, and some coaches, you know, they don't want

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Speaker 1: to be there. They're just checking a box to move

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Speaker 1: on to the next thing. JG is great in terms

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Speaker 1: of enthusiasm, energy, information, have you guys found that as

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Speaker 1: well when you meet.

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Speaker 2: With him, no question about it. I also think, Dave,

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Speaker 2: in this case, there's an advantage of having covered the

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Speaker 2: Eagles a lot when I first came over to Fox

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Speaker 2: there obviously in the conference that we cover, and they

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Speaker 2: were obviously very competitive and relevant team deep in the seasons,

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Speaker 2: in postseason, including the Super Bowl. I had the Eagles

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Speaker 2: regard Dave, I think also he knows Kevin, so there's

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Speaker 2: a familiarity there which I think lends to maybe a

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Speaker 2: bit more candor. I love the time with him. I'll

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Speaker 2: share one thing Dave that I thought he did a

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Speaker 2: wonderful job with. I asked the following question. You get

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Speaker 2: so much out of these meetings that you can never

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Speaker 2: use on air, but sometimes these are answers that you

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Speaker 2: can apply to your life. I have an item in

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Speaker 2: my phone in the notes section just called Advice for Living,

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Speaker 2: and it's filled with answers that I've gotten that I

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Speaker 2: know are never going to make air, but that I

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Speaker 2: feel I can apply to my life. Here was one

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Speaker 2: of the questions I asked Gannon, how do you constructively

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Speaker 2: and his answer was phenomenal, and he sort of started

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Speaker 2: and ended Dave with know yourself, know the room, know

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Speaker 2: the outcome you want. Know who you are as you ask,

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Speaker 2: Know who the player is as he listens, Know the

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Speaker 2: outcome you're both wanting to reach, he said. And to me,

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Speaker 2: that's a definition of emotional intelligence. That's what I try

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Speaker 2: to lead with. Knowing those three things. How good is that?

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Speaker 2: How clear is that this is somebody you know, just

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Speaker 2: starting on his head coaching journey in essence, and I

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Speaker 2: think to possess that he was talking Dave really powerfully

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Speaker 2: and in a really positive way about the film session

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Speaker 2: after the Commanders and him saying, I know guys that

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Speaker 2: would have thrown chairs, that would have knocked over projectors,

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Speaker 2: That guys know they already feel bad. He said. Maybe

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Speaker 2: when we played better, that's when I lean harder. But

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Speaker 2: let's always know those three things. Know yourself, know the room,

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Speaker 2: slash player, know the outcome you both want. I thought

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Speaker 2: that was really valuable.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic, and it does sound like something JG would say, Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: And obviously you've gotten to know him well the last

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Speaker 1: handful of years. It's clear the players believe in him.

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Speaker 1: His energy is not fake energy, it's who he is.

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Speaker 1: Did you sense that when you're down on the field Sunday,

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Speaker 1: Do you sense that belief amongst the players, Because there's times,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been on sidelines or you've covered players

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Speaker 1: and coaches where you can tell like they don't believe

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Speaker 2: I agree, And I think one of the interesting things

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Speaker 2: shared was before going into the Monday session, how many

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Speaker 2: coaches would do this? He said, he went to Buddha

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Speaker 2: and he said to Buddha, what's the tone you want

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Speaker 2: from me in this room? You think about the security

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Speaker 2: to go listen, Buddha's Buddha. He is who he is

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Speaker 2: on this team. He's its heart, he's its soul, he's

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Speaker 2: its old head. But as a young coach, Dave to

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Speaker 2: Buddha told him, be you. You're authentic. Be you. The

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Speaker 2: the reasons why as strange as the game shape was,

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Speaker 2: it's a significant outcome because of what the prior outcome

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Speaker 2: had been. Right, such a disappointing performance in all the phases,

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Speaker 2: and now you give up not a fluke play, but

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Speaker 2: you just don't often see a block for a touchdown return.

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Speaker 2: You give that up, you're falling into. It can feel

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Speaker 2: like the pattern of we're a Super Bowl champion team

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Speaker 2: in the opening drive and then we can't sustain that.

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Speaker 2: It seemed to happen again, but to rally there. I

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Speaker 2: also think, Dave, these decisions that work out are never

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Speaker 2: as scrutinized as the ones that don't. There was zero

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Speaker 2: hesitation on that sideline immediately as soon as that flag

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Speaker 2: was thrown for Kyler being hit in the face. Immediately

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Speaker 2: he called to go for the two point conversion immediately.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a standing policy to say,

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Speaker 2: if we get that chance, we're gonna do it no

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Speaker 2: matter what. Obviously we have James in a way that

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Speaker 2: we think is a battering ram whatever it is that

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Speaker 2: changed the whole game. That one decision and the execution

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. That's great perspective. Appreciate. I know the

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Speaker 1: Cardinal fans, do you sharing that because that's some insight

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Speaker 1: that they normally wouldn't get. JG did tell us in

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Speaker 1: the postgame interview with Paul kovec our sideline report that

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Speaker 1: they were thinking about going into the drive, maybe going

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Speaker 1: for two, and then the penalty clinched it. And we

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Speaker 1: said that on the air too, that it's got to

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Speaker 1: be part of the thinking they're getting that penalty because

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Speaker 1: the analytics percentage wise changed dramatically. And when you go

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Speaker 1: from the two to the one, you've known Kyler, I imagine,

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Speaker 1: yeah time. I'm not sure if he did anything on

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Speaker 1: him coming out of high school when you were at ESPN,

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Speaker 1: but obviously at A and M and then at Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: and now since you've been at Fox with the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You interviewed him after the game yesterday. How have you

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Speaker 1: seen him grow not just as a player, but as

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Speaker 1: a person over the last ten years?

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Speaker 2: So, Dave, can I tell you something I found fascinating

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Speaker 2: and again something I get I got in the car afterward.

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Speaker 2: I told guys on the way out of the stadium.

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Speaker 2: You know this, Dave, when you do those postgame interviews,

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Speaker 2: there's a little lag time there. They decided to do

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Speaker 2: so that we could do it live, and Kyler was

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Speaker 1: because of the delicacy of the story or the person

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Speaker 1: that you were interviewing. Is there anything that really stands

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Speaker 1: out above the others because you've you've kind of seen

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Speaker 1: it all in many different sports.

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Speaker 2: You know, Dave. I don't know that I'll give a

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Speaker 2: specific answer here, but one thing I will say is

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Speaker 2: if someone I'm perennially amazed with these two things. What

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Speaker 2: people bear, The strength that people possess to bear through

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Speaker 2: what they do in life's challenge, and their capacity to

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Speaker 2: share it, their willingness to be open and share their trial,

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Speaker 2: their challenge, their experience. And I deeply believe Dave. If

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Speaker 2: someone's going to entrust you with that, honoring that trust,

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Speaker 2: it's burdensome. You should feel burdened by that. You should

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Speaker 2: want to do everything you can to honor that trust.

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Speaker 2: And you do so through accuracy, through empathy, through curiosity.

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Speaker 2: Those are the ways to honor the trust people place

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Speaker 2: in you to share their stories because at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, that's what we poss yes, that's what

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Speaker 2: we have. I won't get into I'm sure people listening

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Speaker 2: to this and know this who know about you, Dave,

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Speaker 2: the incredible just the selfless things you do for other people,

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Speaker 2: the things you've done for the community in the wake

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Speaker 2: of COVID, etc. And as I became I played a tiny,

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Speaker 2: tiny part in that I learned about one person's story

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Speaker 2: through you. And so in learning about that person, are

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Speaker 2: you moved? Do you want to act upon it or

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Speaker 2: does it just become something? And this is great too,

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Speaker 2: that enters into who you are and your broader understanding

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Speaker 2: of how we're connected, what our challenges are. It's such

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Speaker 2: an honor and a privileged day to have people share

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Speaker 2: these really difficult parts of their lives with you, but

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Speaker 2: also to share their triumphs. Look at James yesterday what

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Speaker 2: he did yesterday. You can look at it and say,

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Speaker 2: what does it really mean that you carry a football

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Speaker 2: and you win a regular season? Give it up?

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Speaker 1: It means a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's inspiring to me. It is that's I still really,

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Speaker 2: really believe in the magic of sport.

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Speaker 1: Last one one of the most challenging stories that I

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Speaker 1: had to tell, and I'm so glad you were there,

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Speaker 1: was in twenty eleven when my normal broadcast crew of me,

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Speaker 1: Chris Pielman, and Urban Meyer, who was in between Florida

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Speaker 1: and the Ohio state jobs, and there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of discussion about Urban maybe being the successor to Joe Paterno,

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Speaker 1: and our broadcast group gets assigned Penn State, Nebraska right

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Speaker 1: after the Jerry Sandusky scandal. That week, Joe Paterno on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night is fired and there is a riot in

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Speaker 1: State College and we're all flying in on Thursday. And

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Speaker 1: you're with us that week, along with several executives who

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Speaker 1: were there for good reason. With again, there was more

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Speaker 1: than just the game. There was a lot going on

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Speaker 1: that week, and I remember I picked your brain, I

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Speaker 1: think for three straight days about what to say, how

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Speaker 1: to say it. I remember Jay Paterno, who kind of

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Speaker 1: sorry about that. No, you're fine, Jay paternal who was

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Speaker 1: basically the acting in a way head coach, just because

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Speaker 1: the connection was Dad said to you and the production meaning,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to make me cry. You're not going

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Speaker 1: to make me cry. In the postgame interviewing, you did,

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Speaker 1: of course, because again because of the connection that he

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Speaker 1: had with you. But what do you recall from from

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Speaker 1: that experience? And do you take pride because again, you

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Speaker 1: helped me so much in helping younger broadcasters in those

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Speaker 1: situations where you've got to be careful with how you

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Speaker 1: were things and phrase things. It's not just first and ten, run,

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Speaker 1: play pass, play time and score. There's all these things

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Speaker 1: going on that impact how you call first and ten,

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Speaker 1: especially in that situation.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's one of the reasons, Dave, I'm not

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Speaker 2: just saying this. I've said it to you, I've texted

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Speaker 2: it to you, I've shared it with you many times.

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Speaker 2: Why I think you're amazing at what you do because

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Speaker 2: not only are you able with great acumen to handle

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Speaker 2: the technical aspects of chronicling a live event unscripted for

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Speaker 2: multiple hours in a row, but it's informed by your humanity.

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Speaker 2: Your humanity has the capacity to understand a context beyond

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Speaker 2: first and ten, fourth and short, and that was a

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Speaker 2: great display of that, Dave. That's why you are a

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Speaker 2: perfect person to do that game and lead that team

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Speaker 2: of voices to go across the country. It had been

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Speaker 2: an unprecedented situation. Not in college football, Dave, I think

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Speaker 2: you'd agree in American sport it had been unprecedented. And

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Speaker 2: then within this oh yeah, there's a competition to be

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Speaker 2: held and broadcast and explained and chronicled live. I think

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Speaker 2: your ability to do that is informed by your heart

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Speaker 2: and your humanity. It's backed up by incredible technical proficiency.

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Speaker 2: But sometimes, Dave, you know, you hear this notion that

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Speaker 2: to be a journalist you have to by definition have

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Speaker 2: a distance from the subject. And I agree with that

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Speaker 2: in some instances, but I've obviously not really subscribed to

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Speaker 2: that that I've gone another way. I think I've I've

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Speaker 2: tried to lead with connection or humanity, and there's risk

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Speaker 2: in that, and I think a lot of big jay

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Speaker 2: journalists would look at what I do pretty critically, and

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Speaker 2: I understand that criticism. I just know that for me

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Speaker 2: to be authentic to who I am I do try

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Speaker 2: to lead with my humanity, at least in sport. You know,

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Speaker 2: we're not chronicling wrongdoing things of that nature. When I

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Speaker 2: go back to that game, Dave, I think of how

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Speaker 2: much care you put into wanting to get the tone right,

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Speaker 2: wanting to get the context right, and then with that

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Speaker 2: as a foundation, letting the game happen and chronicling it.

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Speaker 2: And it was masterful. You did a great job. And

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Speaker 2: that that's in a way why we go into the

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Speaker 2: business that we do, because no game situation Saturday or

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Speaker 2: Sunday is ever the same, let alone one like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you're gonna make me cry with

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Speaker 1: a compliment. Here we go again twice and when all

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Speaker 1: these got me almost in tears, but I mean, I

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Speaker 1: mean that, but it was yeah, And you know, the

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Speaker 1: question more centering around kind of how you've impacted people,

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Speaker 1: And I think what you just said that you you're

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Speaker 1: about people. You're not just covering a story, You're not

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Speaker 1: just trying to win an Emmy. You're you're trying to

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Speaker 1: serve the person, which I love. And I think because

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Speaker 1: it's hard to connect with viewers, it's hard to connect

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Speaker 1: with fans because there's so many broadcasters. There's so many

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Speaker 1: of us. But again, you have found a way because

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Speaker 1: of who you are and how you do your job

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Speaker 1: to connect with us people you're working with, to connect

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Speaker 1: with the players of the coaches you're covering, to connect

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Speaker 1: with the audience. And that's why, Like when you're on,

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Speaker 1: I may hear something from your mouth, whether it's as

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Speaker 1: a reporter, a host doing a feature that is going

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Speaker 1: to strike a chord, and that's rare. That's so hard

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Speaker 1: to do. So for everybody that wants to get into

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Speaker 1: the business. We're in study Tom Ornaldy like that's take notes,

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Speaker 1: Like like Jeff said, Huby takes notes when Jeff was

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Speaker 1: coaching b Hubie, take notes or be you? You said,

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Speaker 1: you have this list of sayings. I can only imagine

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Speaker 1: some of the people you have. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: repeat the sayings. But who are some of the people

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Speaker 1: that you have taken information from? Last question that you

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Speaker 1: have in your So I don't want you to have

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Speaker 1: to like divulge any secrets about information that they've shared.

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Speaker 1: But what people that you really look up to that

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Speaker 1: you covered, that you take something from.

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Speaker 2: Wow, there are so so many days.

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Speaker 1: Sorry put you on the spot.

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Speaker 2: That's no problem. I mean, but I would say easily, easily, Dave,

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Speaker 2: the top two are Saban and Raphael Nadal. Those would

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Speaker 2: be the top two in terms of things that they

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Speaker 2: have shared with me or said to me that I've

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Speaker 2: tried to apply to my life. Saban Is has so

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Speaker 2: much wisdom and is such an incredible leader and such

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Speaker 2: an example of the good parts, the best parts of

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Speaker 2: discipline and how to lead your life. And Rafa, I think,

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Speaker 2: is to me the single most enduring portrait of the

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Speaker 2: power of humility in any great athlete I've ever covered,

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Speaker 2: and we are around great people, but Rafa is singular,

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Speaker 2: singular in his humility and to me in his humanity. Again,

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Speaker 2: another person who's been incredibly kind toward me is certainly

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Speaker 2: on that list. Betterer is on that list. Doug Collins,

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Speaker 2: who we both love, has a lot of a lot

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Speaker 2: of wisdom that he has passed along. I think is

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Speaker 2: an absolutely amazing human being. There's yeah, there are so

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Speaker 2: so many And like I remember Kyle Shanahan, who's amazing

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Speaker 2: on production calls sharing something about but how you build

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Speaker 2: a culture of accountability or the a question that a

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Speaker 2: coach recently answered that harball with the Ravens answered David

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Speaker 2: an amazing answer about communicating a tough message to a player.

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Speaker 2: I'll share this is he just said, check you yourself first, Dave.

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Speaker 2: What are you leading with? What is coming from you?

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Speaker 2: Are you mad that we lost and it looks bad

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Speaker 2: for you if that's the case, own that know that

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Speaker 2: and realize that's what the player is going to hear first?

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Speaker 2: Or are you leading with your heart? Is your heart

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Speaker 2: the first thing that reaches the player, your ego or

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Speaker 2: your heart? How do you not take the in every

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Speaker 2: relationship you have? How do you not take wisdom from that?

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Speaker 2: We are in these amazing spots to hear from these

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Speaker 2: accomplished men and women in sport, and it's just a

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Speaker 2: it's such a privileged spot.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've always loved with your heart and that's why

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Speaker 1: you're the best man and I love you. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you doing this, Tom, because I know you've got a

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Speaker 1: busy schedule.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Thank you, Dave.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you're like me, you hung on every word.

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Speaker 1: Tom said, he's such a great presenter, incredible broadcaster, storyteller,

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Speaker 1: so smooth. But it's from the heart and that's why

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Speaker 1: you love him, and that's why his stories are so

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Speaker 1: powerful and impactful, because, as you can tell from that interview,

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Speaker 1: it comes from the heart. He's just the best. Great

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