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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous podcast. Hello Ben back, We're back and we got

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Speaker 1: another Goat episode to talk about. This was the first

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Speaker 1: episode um of Goat that I didn't I never watched

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Speaker 1: these these seasons. You know, it was way back in

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Speaker 1: the day. I think I was a freshman in high school.

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Speaker 1: It was Alex, Michelle and Trista Ren's before she was Sutter,

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Speaker 1: and it was fun. It was fun to see how

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Speaker 1: much the show has evolved since. Yeah, it's still the thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like trist Is especially is the

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Speaker 1: the kind of like the foundation that it feels like

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Speaker 1: every season has been built off of. Like it just

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Speaker 1: feels like the one you look back on. You go,

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Speaker 1: that season will always be remembered. When somebody comes out

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Speaker 1: to me, they go, oh, I've watched this since Trista

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Speaker 1: this season, right, That's that's what they say. Alex doesn't

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Speaker 1: get brought up very much anymore. There's reasons for that.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it with Bob Guinea later in the podcast.

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Speaker 1: But like Alex hasn't shown up and Trista still has

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Speaker 1: continued to be like a building block and in a

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Speaker 1: many years, seventeen eighteen years. She's just one of those staples.

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Speaker 1: Like when people think of the franchise, I think of Trista,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and they should after so many years of marriage. Definitely,

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Speaker 1: it was a great thing to watch. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: it throughout the whole podcast, but let's start Ashley once

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Speaker 1: again with hot topics in Bachelor Nation. This is one

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Speaker 1: of our favorite segments and listeners. You've written us in

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Speaker 1: and said it's one of years as well, and there's

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Speaker 1: definitely hot topics talk about today, including this one, which

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Speaker 1: might be maybe the one we need to dive into

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Speaker 1: the most. A lot of opinions here that we've gotten

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Speaker 1: about the Cassie and Colton break up. This headline reads,

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Speaker 1: Cassie Randolph says she's had an awful few months following

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Speaker 1: breakup with Colton Underwood. What I didn't realize until seeing

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Speaker 1: this article, Cassie was off Instagram for a whole thirty days.

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Speaker 1: How did I not realize that? Yeah, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: it either. Now one is I don't media, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but like you would notice it right like that would

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Speaker 1: feel like something because I love Cassie's. Cassie's like one

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Speaker 1: of the people that I actually like, really watched her

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Speaker 1: stories and I like, like every single picture. She was

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Speaker 1: gone for thirty days because dealing with social media and

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Speaker 1: the trolls, because so many people are coming at her

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Speaker 1: as being like the cause of the breakup with Colton

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Speaker 1: and nobody really understanding what went down that she was

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Speaker 1: just like, nope, I'm gonna get out of this for

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Speaker 1: a while. So I mean, let's let's dive into this.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna make some assumptions, which is never healthy or good.

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Speaker 1: But does it feel I mean, it feels like Cassie

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Speaker 1: has definitely taken this pretty hard, and it said she

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Speaker 1: tough on her so much that she's had to delete

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Speaker 1: social media. Now Colton on in their hand, Um, who

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Speaker 1: was the one that got broken up with? At least

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Speaker 1: that's what we think, right, I mean, why why is

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Speaker 1: it that that we assume that we all do? I

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Speaker 1: think it's been the rumor. Now I know how this

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Speaker 1: we saw them on The Bachelor and how he needed

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Speaker 1: to chase her, and she wasn't like, there are we

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Speaker 1: just assuming that she ended up never being a PC there, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the first assumption we should probably like shut down

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Speaker 1: amongst everybody's I don't think we know. And I know

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Speaker 1: that even having a breakup publicly, people start assuming things like, oh,

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Speaker 1: why did you have to end it? You know, oh,

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Speaker 1: you definitely ended it, And neither one of them. I

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Speaker 1: this is how actually went down. It's not our business.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to know. But what is intriguing is

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Speaker 1: that Cassie felt like she had to delete social media

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Speaker 1: because it was so hard. Yeah, and Cassie did go

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Speaker 1: and talk to Chris Harrison on last night's episode, and

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Speaker 1: care that Harrison like kept kind of prying. She's like,

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Speaker 1: her Instagram caption when she returned to the platform a

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Speaker 1: to her personal life. She says it takes incredible strength

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Speaker 1: to shrug off strangers who regularly criticize your character based

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Speaker 1: on conclusions that they drew while watching an edited TV show.

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Speaker 1: I could say so much here, but it just feels

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Speaker 1: like an uphill battle. This is tough. Breakups are really

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Speaker 1: been pretty active. So the breakup, yes, has been hard.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm sure doesn't help. It never

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Speaker 1: helps when then rumors start swirling, you know, like there's

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Speaker 1: already been Colton and maddest Maddie rumors because of their

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Speaker 1: like comments back and forth on social media that happened.

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Speaker 1: seeing that brings about a pain that you don't want

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Speaker 1: here is that the two of them are dealing with

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Speaker 1: do that before. And be gentle on them and don't assume.

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Speaker 1: I know that we started out this with an assumption

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Speaker 1: assume and like blame people for a story you don't

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Speaker 1: have any part of. Well, our assumption is this. Our

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Speaker 1: That's our assumption is that we we just don't know.

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Speaker 1: Be gentle to them both. And it sounds like Cassie me,

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Speaker 1: especially after watch that interview, like you know, being sensitive

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, this is not easy. Well, speaking of exes

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Speaker 1: and breakups during Bachelor Nation, Caitlin Bristow says that she

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Speaker 1: believes ex Sean Booth is holding on to anger, reveals

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, but I truly think that he

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Speaker 1: But when I have an X, especially when that's a

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Speaker 1: this is again one of those situations we don't know

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Speaker 1: to I don't know how to handle breakups. Everybody does

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Speaker 1: to show mine, which made me very happy. Season Yeah,

426
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: because I will tell you that I would much rather

427
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: have them show me show Trista this season for me,

428
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: because I couldn't even stand the idea of having to

429
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: watch my season with my wife and my son running

430
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: or not before you take it over here? Uh, do

431
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: we know yet? Have they announced all the Bachelor Goat seasons? Can?

432
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: Or is that a surprise to us? Still? I think

433
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: it's still a surprise for most people I've known a couple,

434
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, if you look at

435
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: if you look at when it's preparing to show the

436
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: next episode, you can see the next one after that.

437
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not sure who the next one is,

438
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: though you guys probably know. I don't. But my you know,

439
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: my season wasn't really dramatic. There weren't really any There

440
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 1: was no scandal, there was no like crazy dry of moments,

441
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: and you know, I think it got it got a

442
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: lot more dice sy in later years as far as

443
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: limit drama comes out of play and things of that nature.

444
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 1: Ours ours was Trista's was obviously the goat of all

445
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: the goats, because I think it was just the first

446
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, she was a pioneering woman. So but it

447
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 1: makes me laugh, I think. But I know you have

448
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: one more thing you want to talk to him about

449
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: about his season. Yeah, you know, Bob, I'm watching this.

450
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: I remember even meeting you, and I've said it so

451
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: many times on the podcast, and I'm just a broken record,

452
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: like you are one of the Bachelor's from my past,

453
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: and I have two things I want to talk to

454
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: about because one is the top headline for us, another

455
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: juicy topic of the week, and the second is this

456
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 1: your advice to me? So you know I love you,

457
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: you know I respect you. Um, but you're also known

458
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: as somebody that was like one of the first bachelor's

459
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: and to really push the limits, right, Like, there wasn't

460
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: a lot of controversy around your season, but there was

461
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: some like drama, there was some some names that you

462
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: kind of got defined by my my intrigue have Has

463
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: Has it changed now? Like as you watched the show,

464
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: is it more or less of the dramatic things that

465
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: happened during your season? Is there more physical you know,

466
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: into intimacy now? Has it Envelope been pushing in further? Well,

467
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean obviously none of us really know

468
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: what goes on behind closed doors, so I don't know

469
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: fully answers to those questions, but you know, I definitely

470
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: think the show has taken off in a different direction.

471
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot I think there's a lot

472
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: more um, a lot more drama now in the sense

473
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: that people have watched it for a long time and

474
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: they have reacted to what I what I would do

475
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: if I were in that situation and so they actually

476
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: acted out once they're on the show, you know what

477
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: I mean, the things pop up up and they basically

478
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: have already lived this in their lives. You know. When

479
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: we were doing it, no one hadn't really seen it yet,

480
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a first you know, you

481
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: didn't really know how to react and certain circumstances, whereas

482
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: now I think people go on and they definitely have

483
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: an idea of how they want to be perceived and

484
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: and so they maybe that affects how they behave I

485
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: don't know. It's interesting. Well, the final thing is one

486
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: of the hot topics of the week, and I'll just

487
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: read the headline. This, according to uh US magazine, says

488
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: Becka Koufern and Rachel Lindsay reveal there's a Bachelor Bible

489
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 1: passed down from previous leads. Bob, you were a bachelor,

490
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: I was a bachelor. I don't know anything about this bible,

491
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: and I feel like I got skipped. The headline is

492
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: juicier than it really is. It um, So there was

493
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: a bible that Rachel, Caitlin and Jojo made for Becca.

494
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: So it's just the three of them wrote in it

495
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: as like a guidance for her, and now they're giving

496
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: it over to Claire. But I think that Becca is

497
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: going to put a little bit more of her insight

498
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: in there. Okay, Oh so it sounds like it was

499
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: like National Treasure, like the the secret you know, the

500
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: secret presidential book that gets hidden passed each other. That

501
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: would have been an amazing thing for them to start

502
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: like season one. Yes, oh my god, I gotta be

503
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: honest what you were just telling me about it. I

504
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: was jealous that I didn't get the right stuff in there,

505
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: but now that I know that it didn't. Actually being

506
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: of the first Bachelor, I did think that this episode

507
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: was a little bit too dominated by Alex's season and

508
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: notres this season, considering Tristan and Ryan have been married

509
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: for like fifteen years. Like, let's let's get more from

510
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: the success story unless from you know, the guy that

511
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: literally won't come on the show. But this is the

512
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: big this is my big question. Or should we be

513
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: concerned about Alex, Like is he alive? Has he been kidnapped?

514
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: The man? Nobody's from the man and apparently six years

515
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: according to his x Amanda, she said that she kept

516
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: in touch with him, you know, on and off throughout

517
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: the year, but hasn't heard from him for six years

518
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: and and Chris Harrison says they can't find him. Is

519
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: it that we can't find him or is it that

520
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: we like or he don't refuses, Well, I will tell

521
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: you I ran into him on a plane one how

522
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: many years ago from I was probably well, it was

523
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: definitely more than six years ago. It's probably eight or

524
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: nine years ago. And uh, maybe ten years ago. And

525
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: uh and it was interesting, I mean, it was really interesting.

526
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: It was other way flying back to l A from Cabo,

527
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: and I was, I guess he was down there with

528
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: a group of friends for a bachelor party or something

529
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: like that, and um, he came you know up to

530
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: I was. I fly a ton, so I was lucky

531
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: enough to get upgraded on this flight. So I was

532
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: sitting in in front of the plane and I came

533
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: up to say hello, and it was like I'd never

534
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: met him before. I mean that I recalled. Maybe I

535
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: had previously, but I didn't remember ever, you know, hanging

536
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: out with them, were talking about them, and all of

537
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: a sudden, we're talking and I thought he was a

538
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: super nice guy, and um, but it was, you know,

539
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: it was it was definitely a different type of experience

540
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: than I expected. Uh. Never thought I'd run into him,

541
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: you know. Ever, and then on a plane running into him,

542
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: which I thought was really interesting, but he seemed like

543
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: a super nice guy. And then yeah, they you know,

544
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: we had talked about trying to um when when they

545
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: were talking to me about doing some stuff with Trisan

546
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: season with the Goat episode, UM, they had asked if

547
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: I had any contact with them, and I helped. I

548
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 1: kind of helped connect the dots with Charlie, which was

549
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 1: Tris as runner up, which seems so sweet. That was

550
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: my first time getting to know Charlie and I was like, wow,

551
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: I love the way he handled that breakup. He had

552
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: a great personality. He would have been a great bachelor.

553
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: But you were the Were you the bachelor that became

554
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: right after it? Or is there somebody us? Yeah, okay,

555
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: well I came right after it, but I came right

556
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: off of her season. But Andrew Firestone was in between

557
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: the way I aired. That's how I so Eric Aaron

558
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: Bergie season, then trist this season, then Andrew's season, then

559
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: my season was it because Andrew's season was already in

560
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: production during t Yeah, I think it must have been

561
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: That's how I remember it. Anyway. Maybe I'm wrong, but

562
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: it kind of I remember it kind of working out

563
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: that way. But yeah, Charlie is a great guy. We

564
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: remained really good buddies over the years, and um, you know,

565
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: but it was interesting because, honestly we I said it

566
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: on the show even but if you got three three quarters,

567
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: you're technically supposed to be rooting for yourself, You're insane.

568
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: I was like, literally, I was like, this guy. She

569
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: has to choose this guy. He's amazing. You know, there's

570
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: so many things about Ryan that were just fantastic. Did

571
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: you ever back up for a second? Did you ever

572
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: end up connecting the show with Alex? Like? Did you

573
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: guys find him? Now? I didn't have any way. The

574
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: information and I had was old old news. I didn't

575
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: have any way to gain home. But if he listens

576
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: to the almost famous podcast, we would love to have

577
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: you for an in depth episode. If you're listening right now,

578
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: we respect you. He's gonna choose us over Harrison and

579
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: the whole pas, come on join us. Who could blame

580
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: him that way? He doesn't he get to stay home.

581
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna love it, alright, Well, trust me, Alex,

582
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: they're going easy onion. They're good people. You talk about

583
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: how wonderful Ryan is. Do you have any fun behind

584
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: the scenes stories with him? Oh my god? Well, you know,

585
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: it was the thing about Ryan Sutter that I absolutely love, uh,

586
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: was that he's like the onion that as you peel

587
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: an onion, you find out more about you know, you

588
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: see more of the onion, right, And Ryan was no

589
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: exception to this. I mean, you know, it was kind

590
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: of funny. I was when we were on the show

591
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: and I had played football in college and stuff, and um,

592
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: and that scene to come up kind of a lot,

593
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: not from me, but it was like something that would

594
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: always get mentioned and like, yeah, well, well Ryan and

595
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: I are talking one night and uh he played professional

596
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: for the Baltimore Raven and never told anyone. And I

597
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: was like, and this is the kind of stuff about

598
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: Ryan Sutter that you find out years of knowing him

599
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: that you're just like, god, wow, how can someone be

600
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: this great? I mean, you know, um, everything from you know,

601
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: the there his bachelor batch on Bachelor party together in

602
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: this Island and all of his buddies are just it's

603
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: all to the earth great guys, you know, And uh,

604
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: and Ryan you know now is recommitting himself to going

605
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: back to being a firefighter. It's you know, his passion.

606
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: He misses it, he loves it. This is you know,

607
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: he is the guy that you want him to be.

608
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: He is the guy you think he is, you know,

609
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: And it's just he's just awesome. So she is as

610
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: delightful as she's always come across on TV. She is.

611
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: She's just like, this is easy as to talk to. Lady. Yeah, yeah,

612
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: you guys, I think someone's trying to crash our podcast.

613
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: Hold on Canyon. It's my son. We love we love kids.

614
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: This is a kid for podcast. Oh yeah, you love

615
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: him on the show. Hold on a sec. Let me

616
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: see so, Hi, Bob Kenyon is coming in right now.

617
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: Sitting on Bob's lap, Oh with a sideways hat. This

618
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: is Grayson and you are adorable. Yeah, you are so cute.

619
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: Was my little man. Hi, guys, he's eighteen months. He's

620
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: gonna be nineteen months. Oh wait, nineteen months July three.

621
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: You're a good look at kid. Yeah, he takes after

622
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: his mother. Thank you. Was Grayson settles in here. I

623
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: just want to give a quick background here. Bob Guinea

624
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: appeared on the season one of the Bachelor. Obviously, as

625
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: we said with Trista uh sud now uh he was

626
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: then the Bachelor. A few years later. Uh he did

627
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: give his uh number one promise ring, but uh that

628
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: didn't last. Now he is happily married. He got married

629
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: in November of two thousand and sixteen to Jessica Canyon.

630
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 1: The couple welcomed a baby boy in December of two

631
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. And this is Grayson sitting here with us

632
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: right now live and almost in his podcast. He's he's

633
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: talking talking to you on the phone right now. Then

634
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: that's that's terrific. Bob. Uh, you are a face of

635
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: the franchise. You stay busy in your life. How much

636
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: does The Bachelor still affect your I guess your work

637
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: and your daily walk in life. Um, you know it depends.

638
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean there are days when you know, I don't

639
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: feel like it does at all, But my wife will

640
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: disagree with that, you know. I think I think think

641
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: it's interesting because the show is definitely very age. I

642
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: don't know how to say this, but age centric, I

643
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: guess it would say. But like I definitely know when

644
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: someone notices me or when someone notices me and says

645
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: that their mom is the biggest fan of their grandma,

646
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, because you remember, I mean that was seventeen

647
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: years ago when I was on the show. So you know,

648
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: the fact that the fact that it's been such a

649
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: big part of my life for so long, it's pretty remarkable,

650
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it wasn't until I was you know,

651
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it was one of those things where from

652
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: the standpoint I guess of my second career that came along.

653
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: It really was a result of The Bachelor and a

654
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: result of Oprah being a fan of the show when

655
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: I was on it, and you know, she kind of

656
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: gave me an opportunity to work in television for a

657
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: long time. And I was lucky. You know, it was

658
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: a really lucky break that I would have never guessed

659
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: would have happened from that whole thing. So it was

660
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: very exciting and fun, but at the same time, it

661
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: was it was definitely life changing. You know. I a

662
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: lot to the and I and I actually oh everything

663
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: to what I have right now to the show because

664
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: I was actually working for Sirius XM hosting a show

665
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: when I met my wife, and yeah, she was friends

666
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: with my co host, and that's how we met in

667
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: the first place. I feel like every bachelor who ends

668
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: up finding their wife, for bachelord who ends up finding

669
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: their husband in real life, there's always some sort of

670
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: tie back, like you wouldn't have been in that position

671
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: or place if you haven't been on the show, which

672
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: is really cool. Um can we kissing on the show?

673
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: And UM like engagement because it's just become more and

674
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: more of a thing, like we see on Alex and

675
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: Tris's season that like some people went really far and

676
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: they never kiss them and then the engagement thing like

677
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: like your season was like a promise ring or like

678
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: Alex decided not to uh put that ring on her finger.

679
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: He was like, I have this, but I gotta get

680
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: to know you better. Why do you think it evolved

681
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: like that? Is it just because it's better TV when

682
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: the stakes are higher? You know, I don't know, I think, Um,

683
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: I think at the beginning, I mean, I can speak

684
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: for myself. I was skeptical. You know, it was like,

685
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: you're this TV show wasn't had been around for a

686
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: very long time. There weren't any success stories yet. You know.

687
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, Trips and Ryan's which I was on that season,

688
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: ended up being a success story that I think people

689
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: almost used now as a way to justify in their

690
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: minds that it can happen. But at that time, you know,

691
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's amazing to think about a time

692
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: before there was this show on television, but it didn't

693
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: exist yet, and there weren't any success stories, and so

694
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: I think you were more worried about maybe it being

695
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: a big mistake or you know, and it was. It

696
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: was abbreviated to I mean, you know, don't forget you guys.

697
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: When you guys did the show, you all traveled internationally

698
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: and did all this kind of stuff. I think my

699
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: most exotic date when I was the Bachelor, we did

700
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: the final four exotic dates, and one was Snake Snake River, Wyoming,

701
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: one was Alaska, one was um Belize. You know, it

702
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: was like we weren't going to these you know, tropical

703
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: or upside, these distant trips to the Netherlands and Italy

704
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff, so we didn't really

705
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: have as much time to get to know each other

706
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: as you do now. Now. I will say, you know,

707
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: I mean I can only speak to myself. I didn't

708
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: kiss Trista on her season, and I ended up going.

709
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: I went all the way down to the I was

710
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: cut right before the hometown dates, Like I really thought,

711
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's coming home to meet my family.

712
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't even I've never kissed us. One Alex's season,

713
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: there was a girl I think her name was Shannon.

714
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: They talked about, they showed her a lot, she was

715
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: top three, and I don't think they kissed because she

716
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: didn't feel like doing anything physical with him unless she

717
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: was the only one standing, right. Yeah, that that started

718
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: that movement. Yeah, I mean change it is. I mean

719
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: we see it every season. It feels like which is

720
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: why you know, it's such a good move and big

721
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: move for the Bachelor to have their first black Bachelor

722
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: after she's way too long. But it is really um

723
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: interesting how much the Bachelor you know, follows culture but

724
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: also has like represented it. You know, if if kissing

725
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: was a big deal to you seventeen years ago, it

726
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: doesn't most of the time feel like a big deal now.

727
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a storyline that we ever really

728
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: hear anymore. Is oh that we haven't even kissed you.

729
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: It might be other things, it's not kissing anymore. No.

730
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: On my season, the Bachelor actually Kelly, this girl Kelly

731
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: Joe Koharski who's now um I can't think of her

732
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: married name now, but she um super sweet girl and

733
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: she she kissed me on the first night and it

734
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: was a big deal. Like it was like everyone was like,

735
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: oh my god. You know, even I was like, WHOA

736
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: where did that come from? Because I wasn't expecting and uh,

737
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: and it was interesting, you know, it was like one

738
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: of those things. She ended up being the runner up

739
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: on my season, and um, you know, and it was

740
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: definitely one of those things. And you know, I mean, yeah,

741
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: I you alluded to it earlier in the episode, but

742
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: you know, I get it. There's been a lot said

743
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: about the different elements of my season, but it was

744
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: one of those things where I feel like it was

745
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: even though uh, some of that stuff has been bantered about,

746
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: it was never something that was ever like fully discussed

747
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: as to what goes on in the fantasy suites and

748
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: things like that, because it's just never been you know.

749
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: Now I feel like it's like, yeah, this happened. I mean,

750
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: like watching Caitlin's episode, You're like, oh my god, you know,

751
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: I forgot about this. I forgot about that. I mean,

752
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: Peter season literally had a windmill as his like intro,

753
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: like based off of the hand you know, Hannah Brown

754
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: Peter uh storyline during her season like it is now

755
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: right out in front of you all the time. Yeah, yeah,

756
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: it is definitely. It's definitely got to be a lot

757
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: more applicated to watch that show with your family, I

758
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: would think at this point, and it was then, Well, Bob,

759
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: obviously we just said it, we said every time you're on.

760
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, we love you, I respect the hell

761
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: of you. You've just been awesome to me, and uh,

762
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: you're a great guy, buddy. I'm so proud of you. Man.

763
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: Excited for her married Ashley. My gosh, I'm so excited

764
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: for you guys, you lot. You're very welcome. Thanks. It

765
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: is uh thirty seven days our first first anniversary the world.

766
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: The only thing I'm said about from this whole interview

767
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: is that there wasn't a Bachelor Bible that I could

768
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: have read to see what Bob would have told future

769
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: bachelor's after his time on the show. Well, hey, Bob,

770
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: we enjoy you. Well, we wish we had to see

771
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: more of you during this episode, but thanks for coming

772
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: on almost in this podcast as always, You're the best.

773
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy, I love you, guys. Take care. That

774
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: was Bob getting everybody. Bob getting is just the best.

775
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: He's He's just continued to be himsel elf, I mean

776
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: every I think that's one of the things we were

777
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: talking about and alluding to, is he's always been himself

778
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: on every season and now he's doing it. You know.

779
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: Still he's on the Today Show often. I got to

780
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: be a part of that a few times with him. Uh,

781
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: he's on the Today Show and they love him there.

782
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: He obviously had a relationship with Oprah and then was

783
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: not like a romantic relai, but he had a friendship

784
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: with Oprah and then was a host on Serious you

785
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: know XM for a while. Uh, and we just always

786
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: appreciate him coming on. He was like a bachelor celebrity.

787
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: I think it was Trista was the celebrity for the

788
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: girls in the two thousand's, and he was the celebrity

789
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: for the guys. I still remember Bob guinny uh during

790
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: his time as the Bachelor. Well, hey, Ash, let's take

791
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: a break here, and when we come back, we're gonna

792
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: interview another person from Trista season. Uh. We'll keep it

793
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: a surprise for now, but uh, stay tuned. We're back

794
00:42:54,040 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: with almost name his podcast. Well, we we promised you

795
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: a mry guest and this guest has definitely um used

796
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: this platform that The Bachelor gives everybody for good and

797
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: uh and it's maybe somebody you've heard of, maybe somebody

798
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: you haven't, but you need to hear from now. It's

799
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: Jamie blythe Jamie. Welcome to the podcast. Hey, thanks a lot, guys,

800
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. We appreciate

801
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: you coming on. So you were on TRIST this season.

802
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: You are the professional basketball player. You were, well professional

803
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: is uh it's kind of like that semi pro Will

804
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: Ferrell movie. I would say it was about as low

805
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: level professionals you could possibly am. Well, you're you're playing,

806
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: you're playing in Europe, right, and then you decided not

807
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: to take that contract. Yeah, I had a nine month

808
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: contract in Germany and then yeah, ultimately ended up going

809
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: on the Best at which I don't know if that

810
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: was a good decision or bad, but we decided the

811
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: Bachelorette over basketball in Europe. Yeah, you know, it was

812
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: tough because all my buddies were sort of telling me

813
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: to go on the show. Obviously it didn't exist. It

814
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: was the first one, first one. I've never seen the

815
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: show and reality TV at that time. It was almost

816
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, so obviously it was in its infancy.

817
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: And I was in a camp in Germany, made a

818
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: team and then trained for that, and I told the

819
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Bachelor that I auditioned for the Bachelor. Actually I was

820
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: like the final five for the first or second Bachelor. Um,

821
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: and then producers calling me. I kept telling me, I

822
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: don't think I really want to do it, and then

823
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: they called for the Bachelorette, and I think I told

824
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: no again. Actually the ultimately did it and it turned

825
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: out to be great, but it was it was a

826
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: tough called. Just because I trained for obviously played bat

827
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm super intrigued here. So going back to when they

828
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: were talking about being a Bachelor, and then even on

829
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, you didn't know what this show even was.

830
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: It's like, what, how do were you processing what you're

831
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: about to sign up for? So it was funny, I, uh,

832
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: how did this work? I met I think it was

833
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Lisa Levinson. I don't know if she was on the show.

834
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: When you guys were and she's still there, and she

835
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: was one of the she was like an original executive producer.

836
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: And I spoke to her for a while and she

837
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he'd be really good for the

838
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: show of the Bachelor. They had already done all their auditions,

839
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: so they sort of leapfrogged me to the top five,

840
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: which they must have been smoking crack just to even

841
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: consider me for that, because it was not a good

842
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: show for me. But and then, you know, it just

843
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: sort of she kind of sold me on it. And

844
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was strange because I didn't know about

845
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: the show. I had never seen it. I didn't know

846
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: about reality TV. A matter of fact, was the first

847
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: guy out of the limo and we're driving and and

848
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's the first once, so I don't know

849
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: what the hell I'm doing, right, and I'm figuring they're

850
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: gonna give me some sort of instruction. It's me and

851
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: like six dudes in the limo and the producer just

852
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: knocks on it and he goes, all right, it's game time.

853
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: You're you know, you're ready, Jamie, You're up. And I

854
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: didn't even know I was the first cup. I had

855
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: no clue. They just told me so I go, what

856
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: the hell am I supposed to do? You know? And uh,

857
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: he goes, dude, just there's a girl. Just go say

858
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: hid or do whatever you would do to talk to

859
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: a girl. So I got out of the car and

860
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: there's like thirty people. You know, it's a TV set,

861
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: there's lights. I really didn't know exactly what Trista looked

862
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: like at the time. I had an idea, but there

863
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: were a couple of blonds in the crowd. There were

864
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: a couple of attractive girls as well, so I was

865
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: literally looked like, you know, to use Will Ferrell again,

866
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: just staring around like a deer and headlights and they

867
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: had to do two takes of it was the first

868
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: thing out of the limo, and they did two takes

869
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: because that's not that much different today. I mean, actually,

870
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: like day, it really operates about the same way. Hey

871
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: you're up, go right exactly. And it was pretty cool.

872
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: I mean I went and said high and kept it

873
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: pretty simple and um, but it was funny when I

874
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: was I was sitting in the mansion and for what

875
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, and I'm like, what the hell am I

876
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: doing here? You're picturing At least I was that these

877
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be a bunch of tools. That's kind

878
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: of what I thought. Um, and then I was in

879
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: the mansion just reading my decision. I was like, what

880
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: am I doing here? How do I escape? And uh,

881
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: at that time, I don't know if there was really

882
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: a lot of alcohol. Bob Guineas sort of started that

883
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: whole thing story. Oh he was. Yeah, so me and

884
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: him were like best buddies on the show, and yeah,

885
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: I got a lot of stories about Bob um, but yeah,

886
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: it was funny. So this other guy walks in and

887
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: he was like a firefighter and was instantly just kind

888
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: of douche and was trying. Oh Grady was whatever, and

889
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: I was all my fears were right in front of me, like,

890
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: oh no, this is gonna be was not Ryan. I'm

891
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: assuming different firefight. I love running right right was off.

892
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: So it was a different guy. And uh so then

893
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: Bob walks in and instantly, you know, he was hammered

894
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: and he was having a blast. And then he just

895
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: starts screw ruined with this guy. And the guy was

896
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: real competitive and Bob and you know, Bob and I

897
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: were not competitive at all, and he goes, Bob was,

898
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: what do you do, and the guy said, I'm a

899
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: martial artist. Bob was I could tell he was BS

900
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: and the guy and the guy just didn't know it,

901
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: and he goes, I'm also a martial artist. Bob said

902
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: it again. So he gets competitive and he goes, what's

903
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: your discipline and Bob goes Tibo and the guy goes,

904
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: that's not a discipline, and he goes, you tell that

905
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: to Billy Blanks. Pitchell convinced the guy who is to

906
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: go in the middle of like all the guys, and

907
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: he pushed him in and and he goes, show trust

908
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: to your karate moves. So the first thing he did

909
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: was short karate moves and then he got like launched.

910
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: First he was first get kicked off the show, and

911
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: he was like you yeah, it was it was three um,

912
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: but you're yeah. Bob and I got eliminated the same night.

913
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: We started in a nice hotel, as you know, and

914
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they send you this crampy

915
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: hotel when you get kicked off. So Bob and I

916
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: went out, you know, you know, weeks were there. You

917
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: and Bob a limited week three and then he went

918
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: on to become the Bachelor. Yeah, I mean, So there's

919
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: a backstory to this that I don't even know if

920
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: I can tell. Whenever somebody says something like that, we

921
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: need you to tell, you know. Here's so they were

922
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: calling my house, they were calling Bob's house to do

923
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: the final four Lisa Levinson what she came out crying

924
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: with Bob and I got cut and uh, there's a

925
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: lot that happened. My god, I haven't thought about it.

926
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: It's twenty years ago, so I really haven't thought about

927
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: this much. But there's some things I won't share. But

928
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: one night, Trista came home from a romantic date with

929
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: with Ryan, and we all knew Ryan was super into

930
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: it and those two were most likely gonna, you know,

931
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: be together. So Bob and I knew we were out right,

932
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: we're already done. We're just kind of having fun. And

933
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: so we went on the roof for the mansion to

934
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: get away because we knew there weren't cameras and microphones

935
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: up there. We had figured out there microphones because every

936
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: time we said something interesting, and then we just once

937
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: they showed up, we started talk talking about like something mundane,

938
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, peanut butter or whatever, just something stupid, and

939
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: then they go, But so we went on the roof.

940
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: We figured out to get getting the roof of the

941
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: mansion and we brought like a case of beer up there.

942
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: It's like three am, and uh, I think he lit

943
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: a fire up there too. We brought like a little

944
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: portable grill and hit a chef's head and started a

945
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: big greefe fire. She comes home like fire at three

946
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: am and she goes and there are no cameras, like

947
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: nobody saw this. And this was like week three, right

948
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 1: the day before we both got launched and we're bombed,

949
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, and she goes, don't you to think you

950
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: should be thinking about me? And we both had beers

951
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: and we spit our beer from the top of the

952
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: mansion down pretty much after on accident, just because we

953
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: thought it was funny. We were so drunk, and you know,

954
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of things that happened, like we

955
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: went don't kart racing and I think the that was

956
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: like three hours after this, uh you know, rooftop event,

957
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: and we're hammeling, we can't even walk a little and

958
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: trive a hundred a go kart. So these things were

959
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: really faster what race cars trained with. And we're walking

960
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: around this track and this guy's telling us about like

961
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: apexes and ferns and all this stuff and literally walked

962
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: us for like an hour and we can really see strain,

963
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: let alone cravate car and right at the end of it,

964
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: Bob goes, what's a what's an apex? And then we

965
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, we're crashing these things and Trista it was, Yeah,

966
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: it was. The whole thing was was she wasn't going

967
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: to pick us. There was a lot of reasons, a

968
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: lot of stories I could actually tell, but there I'm

969
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: not going to share these at these points, but there

970
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: there was a lot of reasons she wasn't gonna pick us.

971
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: And then he was on you know, I went on

972
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: Oprah right after that he was the Bachelor. You made

973
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: enough of a splash to talk to Diane Sawyer and

974
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: Oprah about your anxiety disorder. Um so, can you talk

975
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: about how anxiety he affected you being on the show,

976
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: because I know it's such an issue today. UM's it's

977
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: just such an anxiety inducing place that it's hard with

978
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: people like you who have suffered with panic and social anxiety. Right. Yeah,

979
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: I think I think that show is the worst possible

980
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: place for somebody that has social anxiety and panic disorder

981
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: to be on I had done. You know, I won't

982
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: go through the whole story again, but to make it

983
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: pretty concise, my first panic attack was when I was

984
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: nineteen m I I never had anxiety prior to that. UM.

985
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: I guess that normal anxiety. Everybody has anxiety, But I

986
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: never had a football and panic attack. UM. But when

987
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: I did, I had it talking to a person, right,

988
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: and then it just kept happening. So my fear became

989
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: being around people. I ended up, you know, being one

990
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: of the top guys in the country at the sales

991
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: job I had. I went into sales on purpose to

992
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: confront it. UM. So it was a long clime. You know.

993
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: It took four or five years, you know, six seven

994
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: years actually to where I could possibly go and do

995
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: somethingthing like the Bachelor. Um. In the back of my head, anyw,

996
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: I probably couldn't do it. It was probably too much,

997
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: but it was something I want to challenge myself with.

998
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: And but yeah, it evokes and brings out every possible

999
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: symptom like being the center of attention, uh, you know,

1000
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: being humiliated, potentially having a place where you really can't escape.

1001
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: And if I did have a panic attack. They were

1002
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: going to exploit it. It wasn't I knew that, so

1003
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: I knew I wouldn't go Bill escape, and if I did,

1004
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: there was a realistic chance that I could break down

1005
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: crying because you just sort of lose all sense of control,

1006
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: I guess, And it was Yeah, honestly, I got really

1007
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: lucky that I never had a hometown date with her,

1008
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: which they were going to plan. If not for Bob's

1009
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: rooftop fire and you know incident at three am, I

1010
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: probably would have had a hometown date. And I don't

1011
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: know if I would have made it through that to

1012
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: monster did so, and Bob kind of saved me because

1013
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: we became such good friends and and he was great.

1014
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: He just lightens you know, you guys talked to him,

1015
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: He kind of lightens everything up, and we kind of

1016
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: played off each other and he would make me laugh

1017
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: and make him laugh, and he made a little more comfortable.

1018
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: But once it got to like when it was just

1019
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: me and Trista and it was a date, you know,

1020
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: I'd be nervous on the first day with anyone, let

1021
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: alone a national television so um, it was a nerve wrapping.

1022
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean, by the end of it. I was, I was.

1023
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: I wanted to get the hell out of there. I mean,

1024
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: I was, I was done. It's interesting, Jamie. I'm I'm

1025
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: just catching up here. And you know, for for the

1026
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: anxiety that you had, you did overcome a lot of it,

1027
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: or you kind of I don't maybe you could explain

1028
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: it better, but pushed through it. I mean, your book

1029
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: that you came out with, UH, fear is no longer

1030
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: my reality. You did talk to Diane s or So,

1031
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: you did talk to Oprah, and you also um had

1032
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson UH read it and give you um his feedback.

1033
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: That hasn't put on the back of the book. It

1034
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: says Jamie bliss determination to a become his disability is

1035
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: a great achievement. That from Phil Jackson, Yes, a nine

1036
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: time NBA championship coach. Darren, I mean, do you credit

1037
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: the show for the confidence? It feels like that you

1038
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: were able to push through with these projects, you know,

1039
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: that was the Phil Jackson thing. Was interesting because I

1040
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: became friends with Jennie Buss, who owns the Lakers. Um.

1041
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: I just saw her just prior to COVID and I

1042
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: was at a thing in Vegas, and I'll answer your

1043
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: question too, But I was. I met them an event

1044
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: because of The Bachelor in Vegas and she came up

1045
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: to me. I didn't know who she was at the time,

1046
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: by name or face, I guess, and she's amazing, super

1047
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: one of the nicest people I've ever met. And she goes, um,

1048
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of yours, and I was, and I

1049
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: want to introduce my boyfriend. And I was kind of like,

1050
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: all right, you're a fan of mine, White, why the

1051
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: hell do I want to meet your boyfriend? And uh,

1052
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: so I turned around. It's Phil Jackson and obviously like

1053
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: six ten six eleven. So then they ended up taking

1054
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: me out for dinner, uh multiple times. I got a

1055
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: lot of Lakers games with them, stuff like that. And

1056
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: he was an interesting guy and apparently he had I

1057
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: don't think he had given many, if any book endorsements

1058
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: at that time, so that meant more than anything to me.

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00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: But um, going back to your your I guess your point. Yeah,

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00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 1: the show. I had pushed myself to a level where

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00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: I could go on the show. I didn't necessarily necessarily

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00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: know how it would turn out, whether it's gonna be

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00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: good or bad, but I was willing to face it.

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00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: Like a year prior, maybe spew years prior. There's no

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00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: way in hell I could have gone on that show.

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00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: There's just no way. But after that, as you guys know, um,

1067
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: all the attention you get taught I was constantly talking

1068
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: to people and I didn't know that was going to happen.

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00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: But this was one of the first reality shows really

1070
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: and um, I really didn't expect it. But and then,

1071
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: as you guys know, everywhere where you went, especially for

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00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: like that year or two, it was insane. I mean

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00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't eat dinner, I couldn't go out without talking

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00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: to people. And and then obviously all the media going

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00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: on those show like Diane saur was my first interview

1076
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: I ever did. I think it was at seven am,

1077
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: so you know it was early and not ready to roll.

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00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have done an interviews like that

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00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: where you're just kind of waking up and bam, you

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00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: gotta go and now it Stanyan Switter So and interestingly

1081
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: with that, she gave my commencement speech at the University

1082
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: of Illinois when I was I graduated. But I was

1083
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: like at a low point, right because I'm twenty one

1084
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: and my biggest fears now people, So how the hell

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00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: am I gonna manage my way through life, through the

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00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: world and I'm scared of people? Um, and that's and

1087
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: then you know, fast forward to go full circle five

1088
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: years later and she's given the commencement speech. And that's

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00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: why she brought it up off camera. I told her

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00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: how much it meant to be speaking with her because

1091
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: of what I went through. And now I'm sitting here

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00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: talking to her in person, uh, and feeling scared, but um, equipped,

1093
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: I guess to manage it. And then she obviously ran

1094
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: it from there and was more interested than the in

1095
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: the anxiety than the show. She really didn't talk about

1096
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: the show much. Well, the book that you were I

1097
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: think on these shows promote was fear is no longer

1098
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: my reality? Um, what are you doing today as far

1099
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: as as getting this message out there? Because I know

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00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: that you do some public speaking. You're a reporter, so

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00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: I do. I'm a reporter and a host for you know,

1102
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: Extra like Mario Lopez and all that. So when celebrities

1103
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: come through Chicago, I still do that, and I do

1104
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: some TV commercials in Chicago here. But um, I'm gonna

1105
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: have a job like anybody else. Where I run sales

1106
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: for a big construction company in Chicago. But um, right

1107
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: before I was working on a documentary. I think I

1108
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: mentioned that with a couple of guys that are pretty

1109
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: big producers that were interested. I was gonna essentially interview

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00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: anybody any walks, any walk of life, whether somebody in

1111
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: the military that suffered PTSD. It can be a brain

1112
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: surgeon that has to operate on a child. Uh, Mike

1113
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: Typson getting in the ring, what is that feeling before

1114
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: a championship fight? So it didn't have to necessarily be

1115
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: somebody that suffers from anxiety. Can be the actually opposite

1116
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: because I learned more from people that don't have any anxiety.

1117
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean I knew all about the books and everybody

1118
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: that could how any doctor could say, hey, this is

1119
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: what the symptoms are and there's how you overcome it.

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00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: But I needed to learn the opposite and a lot

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00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: of it was a mindset and there's a lot of

1122
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: techniques to it too. But um, so that was that documentary.

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00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: I am currently working on the COVID kind of put

1124
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: a hold on it. Well, Jamie to close it up here, Uh,

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Speaker 1: we really do appreciate you coming on. We have a

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00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: lot of people. You know, anxiety is something that we

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00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: bring up often on this podcast. As you mentioned, the

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00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: show kind of heightens it and if you already have,

1129
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, an underlying disorder, it definitely makes it more

1130
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: polarizing on the show. There's anybody out there listening who

1131
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: has struggled with anxiety or still does. Do you have

1132
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: a message that you like to share with people? Um

1133
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: before we let you go? Yeah? Absolutely? Uh number one

1134
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: because this this gets into especially given the times right

1135
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: now with COVID, with everything going on. Uh. Mike Tyson

1136
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: actually said it best when I interviewed him, and that

1137
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: will be released at some point when I put it

1138
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: all together. But I asked him if he's ever been

1139
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: suicidal and he said, yeah, many times, and he's doing

1140
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: great right now, right but he went through the Ringer

1141
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: and you know, he was a drug addict, he you

1142
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: name it him and he would tell you about it.

1143
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: And he's doing he's doing really well. So I said, well,

1144
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: what would you tell somebody if they're depressed and suicidal

1145
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: and they don't think they can go on? And he

1146
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: would say, look, you have to realize that these are

1147
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: moments in time. They're moments in time, their seasons and

1148
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: these things they changed. So your current reality, I think

1149
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: Tony Robbins says this type of thing but doesn't have

1150
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: to equal your future. So where you are right now

1151
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: might feel absolutely awful, like there is no future. Um,

1152
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: but you know, everything I had and all the success anything,

1153
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: if you want to call it success, but is because

1154
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: of the anxiety, not just you know, it's because of

1155
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: the anxiety. And it's a you know, it's a mechanism

1156
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: to help make you grow if you choose to. Uh,

1157
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: I guess to fight it is the right word because

1158
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: it is a fight, but you can come out the

1159
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: other side. You can come out actually stronger than you

1160
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: were before. At a minimum, I think you can manage

1161
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: it and and have a have a happy life. Thought. Um,

1162
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: The Bachelor, of course, is all about love and relationships,

1163
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: and that's where we know you the most from. So

1164
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: you gotta gotta update us in your personal life now.

1165
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: Um So I'm kind of I'm all settled down. I've

1166
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: got a got a six year old kid, and um,

1167
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: I was living living in the city and and now

1168
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: I just moved to the bourbs, So I'm kind of

1169
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: living that boring, boring, committed life right now. But it's

1170
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: it's great. I I it's a that's a this is goofy,

1171
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: it's a I'm technically not married. It's a long there's

1172
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: a long, complicated story in there, but we're essentially, uh,

1173
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: we're together, all right. Well, thank you so much for

1174
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: coming on. Appreciate man. Thank you once again. That was

1175
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: Jamie Blythe from tristas season of The Bachelor. Some great stories,

1176
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: behind the scenes stories from trist this season, and of

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01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: course Bob Guinney was a part of those who we

1178
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: also had in the podcast today. Um, Jimmy Bli's book

1179
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: If You're Wondering is once again called Fear is No

1180
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: Longer My Reality. It is available right now. Well, Ash,

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01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: I think those two offered us a good behind the

1182
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: scenes take on this. Also shared some some things that

1183
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: you know what are still common today in this show,

1184
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: like the limo entrances and those moments that you try

1185
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: to sneak out and sneak away to get away from

1186
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: those cameras. It's just interesting how much times have changed,

1187
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: especially as you said earlier, with the fashion that is

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01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: the box suits. Oh you know what else, I meant

1189
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: to ask these guys um about the difference in the

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01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: house because the Bachelor Mansion wasn't the Bachelor Mansion until

1191
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: I think it was maybe broad season. But like they

1192
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: use different houses the episodes that we saw last night.

1193
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: You know, he had a house, she had a house,

1194
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: and I think the house kept changing. Interesting. Yeah, it's

1195
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: so much of a part of our past. Well, hey,

1196
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: that's been another season of another episode of The Bachelor

1197
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: and Bachelor Goat. Of course these two will be up

1198
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: there with the best of them ever. Uh And this

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01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: has been another episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. And

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01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: if any of you guys know um Alex Michelle, let

1201
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: us know where the heck he is? Please please, I

1202
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: mean that would be a somebody cost to know him, right.

1203
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: I doubt he'd ever give us an interview, but that

1204
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: would be very very cool. I just want to solve

1205
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: the mystery of where in the world is this man?

1206
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: Where in the world is Alex Michelle. I grew up

1207
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: on where in the world is Carmen San Diego, Carbon

1208
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: San Diego, But no more. It's Alex Michelle Ashley, You're

1209
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: the best. We'll be back next week with another episode

1210
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: of the Almost Famous Podcast on iHeart Radio. With that,

1211
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: I've been I've been Ashley Bye. Follow the Benn and

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01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio, or subscribe

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to podcasts.