Speaker 1: Well, good morning, afternoon, dum. It is often for me.
Speaker 1: I know, it's tricky, isn't it. At the time difference,
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know why it can't just be
Speaker 1: the same time. Everybody doesn't make any sense, I know, right,
Speaker 1: especially with daylight savings time, it's just all over the place.
Speaker 1: Who knows. I can't even did we go back, we
Speaker 1: went forward? I think you went back, but you went
Speaker 1: back like a few days after we did over here,
Speaker 1: and so it's just it's all occurdfuffle. It's very confusing,
Speaker 1: very unnecessarily confused. I have a watch upstairs somewhere that
Speaker 1: has the world time on it, so I can adjust
Speaker 1: it and I can see what the time is another
Speaker 1: time zones, which is super useful, but I have to
Speaker 1: keep it in the correct time as well, and if
Speaker 1: I don't do that then it's just useless. So well,
Speaker 1: that's brilliant, yeah, um, speaking of speaking of indeed, what
Speaker 1: are we diving into today? Let's have a little look.
Speaker 1: See it's season two, episode six, entitled The Iron Sisters.
Speaker 1: This this end on My Birthday? O no way that dead? Yeah.
Speaker 1: February six, Written by Alison Reimer, directed by Michael Roll,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I just called him Michael, It
Speaker 1: says Mike. I think we all called him Mike, but
Speaker 1: I just added Michael. Sorry Mike. Directed by Mike Role.
Speaker 1: What are we in forecap? And what are we getting
Speaker 1: into today? Let's see Isabel's secret maybe revealed. Clary and
Speaker 1: Isabel head to the Citadel looking for answers to help
Speaker 1: get answers to what Valentine may be planning. Isabel and
Speaker 1: Clary are sent on a mission to visit the Iron Sisters.
Speaker 1: Once they're more truths may be revealed than Izzy and
Speaker 1: Clary planned. On a mission of their own. Simon and
Speaker 1: Maya are determined to find Luke, who is still missing
Speaker 1: after the demon attack at the Institute. Meanwhile, Magnus and
Speaker 1: Alec finally go on their first date. So much happens,
Speaker 1: so much happens. Wow, So what are you doing in
Speaker 1: this episode? Nothing? I was just thinking that, I guess
Speaker 1: I do nothing this episode. I remember there I we
Speaker 1: did a deleted scene with a Lissa, which was awesome
Speaker 1: because she played Lindsay and we had this whole sort
Speaker 1: of weird flirty scene on camera, which is really good
Speaker 1: fun to do because she's a great actor. But it
Speaker 1: got deleted, so I think I think, LISTA, you're not alone.
Speaker 1: I think both of our scenes got deleted from this
Speaker 1: might be the This might honestly be the episode. And
Speaker 1: me scampoard a little. There's me telling you not to
Speaker 1: do something. I think this is weapons cleaning, I really do.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I do all episode. This is
Speaker 1: a light episode for me, but it's dull, like you
Speaker 1: guys roll off doing stuff like where did you fit?
Speaker 1: We'll get to it, but like you weren't even in Toronto.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I was just like a week
Speaker 1: and a half to sort of on my own. We well,
Speaker 1: if some of us were, amarand and I were. We
Speaker 1: were at the Castle of north of the city, where
Speaker 1: they also filmed a lot of the X Men movies
Speaker 1: and the Rocky Horror Picture Show remake and a lot
Speaker 1: of other things. It's just this, yeah, and the new
Speaker 1: Gotham Knights on the c W. I think shot there
Speaker 1: a lot. It's a it's this one castle that's up
Speaker 1: sort of up in the kind of fancier part of
Speaker 1: the city, a little bit north of where we lived.
Speaker 1: Interesting I am in this episode, like three, It just
Speaker 1: whis post the whole thing barely in it. Um, so
Speaker 1: we get to admire everyone else's performances, which I'm really
Speaker 1: looking forward to fabulous, insanely jealous that I'm not in
Speaker 1: this episode, but there you are. Oh, here's a here's
Speaker 1: a little book to screen tidbit. So Lisa Barry, who
Speaker 1: we adore from Supernatural and Everything Else, also one of
Speaker 1: the loveliest human beings have come across. She plays Sister Cleophus,
Speaker 1: who in the books, Sister Cleophus is Luke's mother, but
Speaker 1: in this we've made it Luke's sister. I think they
Speaker 1: just like the name clear is better to be honest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to be honest, and that's entirely fair. What was her
Speaker 1: name in the book? Her name in the book was
Speaker 1: a Matis m also pretty good, also pretty solid. Stattle
Speaker 1: Hunters just have badass names. I gotta say, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: do have good names. Wasn't one of these one of
Speaker 1: these eight? So the episode is playing now, um and
Speaker 1: they're doing the big wire work fight scene. Wasn't one
Speaker 1: of these women pregnant? Am I losing my mind? Or
Speaker 1: was one of these women pregnant when they did this? No?
Speaker 1: I think you're right, but I think it might have
Speaker 1: been one of the stunt doubles. Oh wow. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't remember, but I remember I remember hearing about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I just remember how excited Darren
Speaker 1: was about this fight scene and about how they planned it.
Speaker 1: Because they had to do the wire I think this
Speaker 1: was one of the first times when we finally had
Speaker 1: our full green screen stage because they had to do
Speaker 1: they couldn't hang the wires in the castle, obviously, because
Speaker 1: it's an old castle and it's you I'm not safe
Speaker 1: to throw people around on it. But they they were
Speaker 1: able to do it on our green screen and then
Speaker 1: transfer that giant stunt with them clashing in the air.
Speaker 1: Because these what what you're seeing here is all these
Speaker 1: women in white robes, and it's a bit it's a
Speaker 1: bit confusing if you don't know. But the Iron Sisters
Speaker 1: are basically like the warrior Nuns of the Shadow World,
Speaker 1: as it were. They create all of our gear and
Speaker 1: garb and our weapons and all that stuff. They commit
Speaker 1: their entire lives to forging Atomus into learning how to
Speaker 1: handle this supernatural medal because it kills demons. It's an
Speaker 1: angelically aligned element. I don't really remember this episode. If
Speaker 1: I'm honest, I'm like, yeah, I'm on. I'm on I
Speaker 1: cor or equal duty throughout this so I get to
Speaker 1: clean messy swords and that's that's it. That's me. Oh
Speaker 1: this is uh, this is the episode as well, whereas
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, Clary, do you want to come on
Speaker 1: mission with me and not you? Jason? Yeah, why don't
Speaker 1: I get taken on this mission because you're on equal duty?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, You're still in the doghouse. That's right,
Speaker 1: I'm in the doghouse, remember, And we have our two
Speaker 1: favorite vampires having a conversation. Yep, I forget. Did Simon's
Speaker 1: mom meet Rafael yet it's happening right now. Actually yeah.
Speaker 1: Last episode, Simon told his mom I'm a vampire and
Speaker 1: she laughed and was like, no, it's fine. And then
Speaker 1: Rafael showed up and has 'encantered her and he was, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm your band manager. Ah, that's right. She is great stuff,
Speaker 1: great stuff. The dynamic between these three is always so good,
Speaker 1: Like they have this sort of constant air of like danger,
Speaker 1: like impending doom between the three of them, and they
Speaker 1: managed to make that last for like three seasons, which
Speaker 1: is crazy. Yeah, Well, if you think about it, if
Speaker 1: any of any scenario, the stakes are the highest. They're
Speaker 1: arguably because his mom is human and it's at the
Speaker 1: blink of an eye she could be not human. Yeah,
Speaker 1: steaks pun intended? No, I know, That's what I was
Speaker 1: wondering if you were going to jump onto up with
Speaker 1: that one. And I was like, I'm gonna leave it
Speaker 1: just in case this was an accidental part. You do puns,
Speaker 1: You make puns, make puns. Do puns? Perform puns so
Speaker 1: often that they're now seeping their way into your subconscious
Speaker 1: everyday life. My god, the poor guys on your set.
Speaker 1: How many eight seventies puns have you found? Ah? Very few,
Speaker 1: maybe about five, And I don't remember any of them
Speaker 1: at the moment, but but I've managed to find them.
Speaker 1: I was having a steak dinner once and I went
Speaker 1: like this, I sort of raised the steak above my
Speaker 1: head on the plate and then what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And when I'm raising the steaks, name that. Wow? Did
Speaker 1: it make them laugh or they all tried to kill you? Yet?
Speaker 1: Half laugh? Half grown? Yeah? Okay, cool. Do you have
Speaker 1: someone tasting your water? Like every time someone brings you water?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know it. This was this was a
Speaker 1: heavy pun day. So I think they might try and
Speaker 1: poison me. Nah, not yet. I'm taking my chances. Mhma.
Speaker 1: Good for you. We tried it, just never took. I
Speaker 1: think we accidentally made you immune to a bunch of
Speaker 1: different poisons. She's dealing with the yin fan as well.
Speaker 1: When do we get to the yin fin thing? Wait
Speaker 1: a second, we have alder Tree and Isabelle, so Clary
Speaker 1: isabel how a scene where isabel was checking in and
Speaker 1: being like, hey, are you okay? How you doing? Your
Speaker 1: mom just died? And Claire is going no, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I have to stay on mission, and as he goes
Speaker 1: I can take Alec and Clary kind of snapster and
Speaker 1: says no, Alec isn't the doghouse too. Yeah, you spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time in the doghouse. We now have
Speaker 1: a scene with alder Tree and Isabelle where she goes, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going on mission. Can I get some more drugs? Please? Yeah? Um?
Speaker 1: He's asking her in return to the infan just by
Speaker 1: on Clary because they're afraid that Clary may also have
Speaker 1: demon blood and planting a seed of doubt, asking me
Speaker 1: to sly On Clary, sply, my god, spy, You're asking
Speaker 1: me to spy on Clary for drugs. That's not ideal.
Speaker 1: It's not not ideal. But Aldo Tree knows his his tactics,
Speaker 1: and Simon's moving back to the boat and he's not wrong.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's wrong for like buying secrets with drugs.
Speaker 1: That's a horrible thing to do. But like the baseline
Speaker 1: of suspicion, he's kind of correct about like I came
Speaker 1: into you my one scene in this episode, I came
Speaker 1: into I'm gonna stop mentioning it probably at no point,
Speaker 1: so just gear up because I'm gonna keep bitching about
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm not in this episode at all.
Speaker 1: I wonder if I kissed someone off. Do you think
Speaker 1: I pissed someone up? Like I made someone cross at
Speaker 1: me and like one of the writers maybe or someone
Speaker 1: and they were like, funck, Jason, he's going to clean
Speaker 1: swords and that's it. I don't think so. Not Alison,
Speaker 1: at least, because Allison wrote this episode. It seemed very sweetheart.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I Alison, and that's why this episode
Speaker 1: I apologize. Six years later, I apologize. Um, oh, it's
Speaker 1: it just keeps going. I need like a like a
Speaker 1: clicker to pause it when I stopped paying attention, or
Speaker 1: like I feel like Samsung came up with an idea
Speaker 1: a while ago that if your if your eyes drifted
Speaker 1: off the screen, it would it would stop playing, or
Speaker 1: you could like scroll with your eyes it would see
Speaker 1: when your eyes got to the bottom or whatever. And
Speaker 1: it never really took off, or maybe it did have Samsung.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Um one of that is relevant to
Speaker 1: the podcast. That's just where my head is at. I've
Speaker 1: had too much coffee and that's where I'm at. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I've had multiple cans of this today, so I'm just no,
Speaker 1: it's Celsius White Claude, not in the morning. He came
Speaker 1: half work in an hour, I listen. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you get by. Everyone has a different,
Speaker 1: different vice. Whatever you need, I get it. You know
Speaker 1: mine is caffeine and apples. Pretty much caffeine and apples.
Speaker 1: So it hasn't really changed. No, speaking of what else
Speaker 1: has it changed. Simon is stuck in the boat base
Speaker 1: and again, and it's calling Clary to check in, not
Speaker 1: telling her what's going on. Of course, because they're best friends.
Speaker 1: Why would they tell each other everything? It would make
Speaker 1: life so much easier. But now there he's now going
Speaker 1: on mission to find Luke, and I'm going with, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: because Luke went missing at the end of the last
Speaker 1: episode and then and then appear it's naked Joel LaBelle,
Speaker 1: Sassy Lavelle had a boy. He this I'm going to
Speaker 1: screenshot that face. This is the sassist I've ever seen him,
Speaker 1: and they send that to him. This is so funny.
Speaker 1: That is my new favorite. That's it's that's going to
Speaker 1: be when he calls me. That's what that's going to
Speaker 1: look like. I'm so exciting. Yeah, it's like, oh, what
Speaker 1: you're concerned about Luke? Now. Honestly, this relationship, these relationships
Speaker 1: in general, these like the sort of power struggle men.
Speaker 1: It's all like very soft and in love and in taste,
Speaker 1: but then also every now and then a little bravado
Speaker 1: gets into it. I love it. I think it's absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 1: I also love all the down world politics and interactions
Speaker 1: that we get to see throughout the series. The shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters are one thing, but the different politics between different
Speaker 1: creatures and how they work and how they interact and
Speaker 1: the difference between the sort of ingrained assumed differences and
Speaker 1: assumed feuds and then assumed you know, the political ones,
Speaker 1: and then as the story come, Yeah, the difference in
Speaker 1: the political and the biological I guess right, Like, especially
Speaker 1: with the whales and the vampire, biologically are very different
Speaker 1: creatures that sort of survive in similar ways they ended up.
Speaker 1: I think if you were to look at it sort
Speaker 1: of from an evil evolutionary standpoint, they would almost be
Speaker 1: like competitors with each other, um, sort of living in
Speaker 1: the same sort of area. And then the politics, the
Speaker 1: politics were taught, right, so there's like the instinctual rivalry
Speaker 1: and then there's the taught the secondary rivalry. Also Maya's
Speaker 1: Rene Jane eyre is that reference is that of note
Speaker 1: to us? I think it's a book thing. It's a
Speaker 1: book that needs a book thing. I think Maya is
Speaker 1: reading that book. Yeah, she's just she's into books. Oh,
Speaker 1: I see it's in the books of our show that
Speaker 1: she's reading that book. It's a book within a book.
Speaker 1: It's a book within a book. We put a book
Speaker 1: within a book, got it? Jeffs get rights for things
Speaker 1: like Jane Eyre ever, I think Jane Eyre might be
Speaker 1: what's it called. I don't know, I know what you're
Speaker 1: trying to say, and I also can't think of the
Speaker 1: word anyway. It's beyond it's so old that is no
Speaker 1: longer copy written. I think got it, got it, got it?
Speaker 1: There you go. Now, next we have naked Isaiah run
Speaker 1: into the woods looking at a deer. It's kind of hungry.
Speaker 1: He's gonna eat a dear for that. Venison is no no,
Speaker 1: but shout out to folks. I was going to say
Speaker 1: that looks awesome, yeah, or Isaiah really going for it
Speaker 1: here with the contortions, Wow, that's really something. Okay, the
Speaker 1: birds in the trees that kind of fly away as
Speaker 1: he hits, do you think that was happenstance that they
Speaker 1: caught it? Or do you think that's folks? I honestly
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, if you got there early in
Speaker 1: the morning, you knew the birds are going to be there,
Speaker 1: and you shot off like a blank or like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like they do it for like
Speaker 1: pheasant hunting. Here you've got like they're called beaters. I've
Speaker 1: never been pheasant hunting, but I hear tell that they've
Speaker 1: got beaters, and you go and they've got like sticks,
Speaker 1: and they bring the dogs and they bark and they
Speaker 1: make a lot of noise, and then all the birds
Speaker 1: leave the trees. So I would assume that you could
Speaker 1: do something like that, But then I would also assume
Speaker 1: that there's probably some sort of legality of protection of
Speaker 1: these poor animals. Like first thing in the morning, they're
Speaker 1: just getting scared shipless by someone trying to make a
Speaker 1: TV show. I'm just getting credit fleep with that. Then yeah,
Speaker 1: let's say, fleep did it that way? Nobody gets in trouble.
Speaker 1: Magnus is making a grocery list, by the way, I
Speaker 1: keep saying, crops of him in grays and he looks fantastic,
Speaker 1: and so does it's a Harry. It's strange to see
Speaker 1: him with his hair down though, you know, like we
Speaker 1: either saw him on set or he was wearing a hat.
Speaker 1: We very rarely saw him. He loves a hat, so
Speaker 1: it's very rare that I saw him without a hot on.
Speaker 1: So it's like watching a different It's like watching a
Speaker 1: stranger kind of who looks exactly like my body. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: He's a chameleon. Oh what I love about this? I
Speaker 1: called you an emergency. I'm not okay because you're not okay. Okay,
Speaker 1: he knows that Alec is upset because he accidentally kills
Speaker 1: because he ripped someone's heart out, understand and totally totally fair.
Speaker 1: Even if that was on purpose, I feel like you
Speaker 1: would say, like if you're the worst kind of person
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, today's heart ripping day, I feel
Speaker 1: like you'd still have some concerns of that. Like that
Speaker 1: was a little much, actually, that one. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a little like I never saw a Hannibal Lecter ripped
Speaker 1: someone's heart out, you know what I mean? Although I
Speaker 1: guess he must have done. He must have done. I mean,
Speaker 1: unless you're, like you know, Ed Dean or Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 1: I think probably have a little bit of remorse. Agreed,
Speaker 1: maya reachion? Now, Yeah, what's she doing? What's going on here?
Speaker 1: She's a she's checking out our fellow asignment here. Oh
Speaker 1: I missed the boat Basin. That was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite set. It was good set, like a full practical
Speaker 1: set as well. It just is what it is, and
Speaker 1: it was just kind of there for three seasons. It
Speaker 1: was just like this little it was because it's literally
Speaker 1: on the back of our studios. So for everyone who
Speaker 1: wasn't there except for Cat and I, for everyone listening
Speaker 1: who didn't come to the studio day after day for
Speaker 1: four years. Studio let's say it was like a big
Speaker 1: square like this, and then Studio I was on this
Speaker 1: side and Studio he was on this Side's all in
Speaker 1: the same warehouse, and then behind it on this side
Speaker 1: sort of there was like train tracks back here that
Speaker 1: were never really used except for when we were right
Speaker 1: there filming, and then the longest trains in the history
Speaker 1: of mankind would blow past us. There was like those towers,
Speaker 1: those big staff towers that we call the Raccoon towers
Speaker 1: because the family Raccoons lived up there, and then next
Speaker 1: to that was the boat based and just a big
Speaker 1: like sheds they turned into a boat basin. There you go,
Speaker 1: that's the geographical layout of our studio. You're welcome. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Shadow Hunters geography with don Um Simon and I
Speaker 1: have never met before. And she goes, wait, how do
Speaker 1: you know? How do you know, Luke? And then a
Speaker 1: budding friendship is born as they to fledgling down rollers
Speaker 1: go to find their adoptive father, a little little lesson
Speaker 1: in wearabolfing and a little lesson in uh Simon Luke
Speaker 1: history m Vampire. I mean, yeah, you guys are on
Speaker 1: green screen here when you arrive at We did this
Speaker 1: on green screen. I think we did this as a
Speaker 1: you know those pickups we used to do at the
Speaker 1: end of the season, and we did a million little
Speaker 1: pieces of all the green screen stuff. I think that
Speaker 1: was one of those days. I don't think we had
Speaker 1: the stage yet. I don't think we ended up with
Speaker 1: the full stage yet. And in fact, all of that
Speaker 1: screen screen does the hands and that all that statute,
Speaker 1: that's all. That's all fully. Yeah, it looks great, good job,
Speaker 1: and then they just appear. Welcome to a bunch of
Speaker 1: swords and spears to our threats. Just another power that
Speaker 1: we never really explained. We've never really seen the spears before. No,
Speaker 1: they end up being if you remember we used those
Speaker 1: in season three, they end up being the Seely the
Speaker 1: sely ones, that's what they end up being. I remember,
Speaker 1: because I had that, I had to stop on my
Speaker 1: forearm for a bit and like one of those things
Speaker 1: that you get to that stage of like of stunts
Speaker 1: where you sort of get a little cocky with yourself,
Speaker 1: which is where I was, and they were like, do
Speaker 1: you want to do you want an armbracer? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I want to embracer. No way is Aaron
Speaker 1: wearing What is my stuntuble wearing one? They were like no.
Speaker 1: I was like, then no, I don't want it. Aaron
Speaker 1: did it three times and I did it forty times
Speaker 1: and didn't think about it. So I had like a
Speaker 1: golf ball. It looked like it was hiding underneath my
Speaker 1: arms every time, and every time, your adrenaline is going,
Speaker 1: your blood's going every time. To the stunt team, I'm like,
Speaker 1: getting there, going really go for it, like because you
Speaker 1: don't really feel it at the time, and then the
Speaker 1: next day I'm like, so fain. Anyway, that was those spears.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that much later. Much like that. Thank
Speaker 1: you for the audio example of your Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I sounded like, just flesh on wood, but the wood
Speaker 1: was hitting me and I what just happened there was
Speaker 1: I need my need, my desk. We don't do that
Speaker 1: while you're recovering from your wounds. Let's go back to
Speaker 1: this episode and the our ancestors are interrogating these ladies
Speaker 1: trying to figure out why they're they're they're asking questions
Speaker 1: about Valentine a lot of furtive glances because oh guess what,
Speaker 1: I'm Yes, I'm his daughter, but I'm not him, going
Speaker 1: in truthful? Right? So cool? What is it? It was
Speaker 1: cold as well? I remember you telling me this was cold, right,
Speaker 1: It actually wasn't so had we thought it was gonna
Speaker 1: be freezing because we shot this in October. But you know,
Speaker 1: as you know, there's there's a difference in October in
Speaker 1: Toronto versus October in other places, and sometimes it's incredibly warm, um,
Speaker 1: in which case this it actually was, and they actually
Speaker 1: filled a physical fountain that existed there. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be a pool that's five six ft deep, um,
Speaker 1: but this pool was maybe about two ft deep maybe,
Speaker 1: So we had to pretend to be floating in this
Speaker 1: you know, bottomless pit of a pool without hitting the
Speaker 1: tarp that was touching our feet. What scenes man? Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: just just a little purity trial, which you know, Clary
Speaker 1: and Isabella are both slightly worried about. It's like the
Speaker 1: COVID test of the time. You know, it's like you
Speaker 1: just go, I don't think I've got anything going on,
Speaker 1: but I hope, but it's probably worth checking out. It's
Speaker 1: just for a second. Also, huge shout out to our
Speaker 1: construction team because they actually welded this bridge that goes
Speaker 1: into the pool. Um you see it for a brief
Speaker 1: moment before scene of view. And yeah, the the little
Speaker 1: separdge that goes into the pool of the Purity Clarity
Speaker 1: pool thing that was built by our team from from scratch. Wow.
Speaker 1: M solid work. Solid. Now, speaking of solid work, let's
Speaker 1: watch this scene between you and uh Nick Segar. Look
Speaker 1: at those two steely glances who honestly like there was
Speaker 1: so much dure attention in this one. It's wild from
Speaker 1: both of us. Both of us will go it's too much,
Speaker 1: it hurts. He's an intimidating man, is Nick Saga, Not
Speaker 1: when he's acting, not in real life real life? Is
Speaker 1: a big or softie. Yeah, but it's it's his eye
Speaker 1: contact and his focus is amazing. That slap, that shoulder
Speaker 1: slap is wild. I remember that. I remember this scene.
Speaker 1: This is when they play pool. This is a good scene.
Speaker 1: This is Maleck's first date. Yeah, like seeing the Hunter's
Speaker 1: Moon enough, we haven't seen it kind of happening. We've
Speaker 1: seen it during the day when it's quiet. Yeah, we've
Speaker 1: really only seen it for the fight scene. I think,
Speaker 1: look at cute little Alec on his first date being
Speaker 1: a nervous fun fact about fake beer on set. There's
Speaker 1: a scene later on with Anna, like much much later
Speaker 1: on in the series with Anna where we couldn't really
Speaker 1: get through it because Alberta was singing and he had
Speaker 1: his ear wig in and which is a little a
Speaker 1: little speaker in his ear so when he's supposed to
Speaker 1: stop when the music stops, and the music didn't stop,
Speaker 1: so he just kept singing. But everything else sort of
Speaker 1: the action has started moving, so we kept laughing and whatever,
Speaker 1: and we had to anyway, long story short, it was
Speaker 1: not Alberto's fault, but we had to keep drinking the beer.
Speaker 1: So I kept drinking the beer and kept drinking the
Speaker 1: beer and it makes you really gassy. I didn't know
Speaker 1: this at the time. I thought I had appendicitis. I
Speaker 1: like I think I told Silk. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I gotta go to my trailer and sought out some
Speaker 1: business and then graphic warning, I farted like nothing like
Speaker 1: it like it was like nothing that's ever happened in
Speaker 1: my entire I levitated for about ten seconds. It was nuts.
Speaker 1: It was really nuts. So that's what fake be it
Speaker 1: does to you, folks. Just so you know, if you
Speaker 1: ever want to look at your actors and go, look,
Speaker 1: they're having a great time, they're drinking, chances are they've
Speaker 1: probably got some tummy pain. So it's not as fun
Speaker 1: as you think. Little insight into movie making for you
Speaker 1: and BTS secret for all of you at home. I'm
Speaker 1: running out of BTS stories is the thing. And now
Speaker 1: I want to tell the gross ones like I'm running
Speaker 1: out of You may not have family friendly BTS stories,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have to tell the poop ones. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's okay. I think they'll be appreciated either way.
Speaker 1: But I do have to say, Matt and Harry and
Speaker 1: you as well are all very good at pool, so
Speaker 1: this scene is quite well. So they always seem to
Speaker 1: put a pool playing scene into any show. We had
Speaker 1: one recently a few a few weeks ago here and
Speaker 1: called a thing in eighteen seventy. Apparently they make those
Speaker 1: pool balls so circular. I don't know about all that. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do they make them out of? I would I
Speaker 1: assume isn't that what they'm it out of? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. They probably
Speaker 1: would make of polish woods. You're right, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Maybe I think that limestone now and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think they have, or like, they wouldn't be Marvel.
Speaker 1: That would be too expensive to look it up. I
Speaker 1: do know a little BTS thing. When they do a
Speaker 1: pool scene on set, they also have little foamy rubbery
Speaker 1: balls that are quiet because so if you're doing dialogue
Speaker 1: while you're shooting pool, it doesn't go over everything phonolic resin.
Speaker 1: So there you go. And originally they were made out
Speaker 1: of ivory, I think, and stopped doing that because it
Speaker 1: was to do with poaching. But yeah, somebody's rich in
Speaker 1: Texas in seventy if we have a yeah some ivory
Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy, good lord, all right. Also, this Malik
Speaker 1: date is adorable and I love it's so cute. They
Speaker 1: do such a good job with each other. They do.
Speaker 1: You can just watch it all day. I just want
Speaker 1: a whole episode of that. Yeah, it spin off m ah.
Speaker 1: And then the awkward car ride when you barely know
Speaker 1: someone and yet you're trying to in a car that
Speaker 1: smells like gas. Although actually season two they kind of
Speaker 1: fixed that a little and it was less toxic um.
Speaker 1: Is that true. I again don't really ever spend it.
Speaker 1: I spent like one day in it in season three
Speaker 1: when we had like a Scooby Doo murder mystery mission. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember. I think it still smelled like gas.
Speaker 1: I just think it had aired out a bit over
Speaker 1: three years, yeah, right, like they just left it, left
Speaker 1: it somewhere. But that's I mean, there's a leaking something
Speaker 1: in there for short and sleaking just like gas fumes
Speaker 1: into the body of this truck. God, I love that truck.
Speaker 1: I want he should have bought it. I know one
Speaker 1: of these days we're going to be watching a movie
Speaker 1: or a TV show and it's going to be there,
Speaker 1: and we're going to be on set again in Toronto.
Speaker 1: And because in the same wee all out our old
Speaker 1: car and Alberts got it. Imagine like I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this earlier in the boat basin. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we spoke about do we speak about pocket cookies
Speaker 1: when we had him one cookies? So we Alberta and
Speaker 1: I especially we would at lunch we would steal as
Speaker 1: many cookies as we get our hands on, and then
Speaker 1: we would put them in the pocket of our costumes.
Speaker 1: So like you know, in between scenes, like you want
Speaker 1: a pocket cookie and you just open your jacket like
Speaker 1: it's some weird like shady like watch salesman down in alley,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, you want a pocket cookie, and you
Speaker 1: don't be jacket. There's like a different variety. The issue
Speaker 1: with that is we very often forget at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, take our costume off. Then I get
Speaker 1: my costume back and it's been washed or it's just
Speaker 1: been in the rain or like it's been out, it's
Speaker 1: been whatever, and there's like a melted, disgusting mush of
Speaker 1: like old cookie that's been there for weeks and weeks
Speaker 1: and weeks, which is my fault. It's my doing. So
Speaker 1: again pro tip for you set guys, make sure you
Speaker 1: eat your pocket cookies. Make sure waste not want not.
Speaker 1: Make sure you eat your pocket cookies, otherwise you're gonna
Speaker 1: end up with gross, soapy flavored dough. Did you ever
Speaker 1: eat old pocket cookie? When I ate an old one? Definitely, yeah,
Speaker 1: where I would I either thought it was a fresh
Speaker 1: pocket cookie that I got from that lunch or curiosity
Speaker 1: got the better of me, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: gotta try, I gotta try. I gotta see if it's
Speaker 1: still good. I gotta see a Toronto me and cookies
Speaker 1: will stand the test of time. Um, No, they don't.
Speaker 1: Good to know, we're to the wise on we get
Speaker 1: to hear a nice little backstory about how Claire and
Speaker 1: Simon met. How can you not fall in love with Simon? Honestly?
Speaker 1: I love the way she says Jess Whitland, and I
Speaker 1: was so rude, so rude many listen here, who goes
Speaker 1: to ten the first time they meet someone and just
Speaker 1: beats the ship out of someone? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: She threw a window. I didn't even know the girl.
Speaker 1: I mean, she did think, you know, there was something
Speaker 1: going on, I think, but I didn't. She acted on
Speaker 1: thoughts but not facts. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, not saying that I'm the bad
Speaker 1: guy in that situation, because she definitely lost her friend
Speaker 1: and I was definitely involved in some way. But if
Speaker 1: she'd have let me explain what she did, Nay, she did,
Speaker 1: Nay let me explain. And I got prone to a
Speaker 1: window very true, what a show. We're back at a date?
Speaker 1: Does he get drunk in this episode? I think this
Speaker 1: is one more strange drunk alic. That's right, because he
Speaker 1: doesn't he say, don't they do the numbers thing? Oh,
Speaker 1: this is the numbers conversations. We're just about to get
Speaker 1: to it right now. Yeah, you guys are sharply dressed.
Speaker 1: These are They're very like brides maybe, but you would
Speaker 1: look beautiful together at someone's wedding dressed in these. Oh
Speaker 1: you know what's funny, we actually took a picture in
Speaker 1: the castle. Um like the shining twins in these stresses
Speaker 1: just ruined that aesthetic for me. Now all I can
Speaker 1: see is the shining twins. Like what I saw is
Speaker 1: my two friends who look fantastic, and then you just
Speaker 1: fucking ruined that for me. And now I see a
Speaker 1: horror movie. And you know what, I don't want my
Speaker 1: mind to be changed. You've just ruined it forever. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm going to see when I look at you
Speaker 1: and Emerald, whether you're together or individual, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to see horror movie from now on. Anyway, when he
Speaker 1: looked at me, no, no, I care about you. Guys
Speaker 1: are used to ah, goodness again doing so well A
Speaker 1: fact is just killing it in this episode with all
Speaker 1: this and how pale am I, Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: had not seen the sun in so A lot of
Speaker 1: studio work, a lot of studio work there, so we
Speaker 1: can see your abs through the dress there. Solid work.
Speaker 1: The hard work with new No is really paying on
Speaker 1: thanks to new No on that one, and a full,
Speaker 1: a full like Kira knightley atonement moment coming out of
Speaker 1: the solid work that one. You can see both of
Speaker 1: your hands on the floor of the pool though, which
Speaker 1: is funny. You can see both of your hands on
Speaker 1: the pool after the ship. Why did it go like
Speaker 1: all black and bubbly? Oh because she's on there, She's
Speaker 1: on the infant and that's right, so she had to
Speaker 1: almost chance. The Iron Sisters are doing zero to help zero.
Speaker 1: They are doing no help water. See there is like
Speaker 1: I'm not letting my friend drown. I don't care about
Speaker 1: your hands. Let's go being an awards. Being in water
Speaker 1: in scenes is fun for the first two takes, and
Speaker 1: then it's dreadful. I used to joke with the writers
Speaker 1: because every single season they would do something to me
Speaker 1: with water, whether it was this or the rain in
Speaker 1: season one, or the ice skating or the underwater and
Speaker 1: you know season two and three. It always made me laugh.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what's your what's your throwing out at
Speaker 1: this time? Let's go well, I mean we were in
Speaker 1: a we were submerged in a pool, like you were
Speaker 1: at the bottom with weights on your feet, and I
Speaker 1: had to dive in and come and get you. That's
Speaker 1: that's like a semi scary experience as well. Then you're
Speaker 1: sort of getting to the point there and like we
Speaker 1: were well looked after and we had divers in this
Speaker 1: and the other, but you are getting to that point
Speaker 1: there of like what if something goes wrong here? If
Speaker 1: something goes wrong in a stunt, you're punched in the
Speaker 1: face and you know, something happens, it's a fairly minimal
Speaker 1: and very healable. But like we're literally underwater, something goes
Speaker 1: wrong here, you're forty seconds, about eight seconds for me
Speaker 1: because I was smoking at the time, so it's about
Speaker 1: eight seconds for me. And then I'm just unconscious. But
Speaker 1: I had the lung capacity of like a tree frog.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just something smart. You did, all right?
Speaker 1: They did that breath test with us. I did do.
Speaker 1: I did do okay, thank you that sweet of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like I did pretty good, but I was
Speaker 1: I was. It still wasn't great considering my lung capacity
Speaker 1: wasn't great. But they go, what did we miss? Oh?
Speaker 1: They accused Izzy of something and she's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Oh, they just they just
Speaker 1: healed me. Oh you didn't know that, you fin was
Speaker 1: made out of vampire venom And she said no, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Ah. Shoot, the betrayal goodness. Can't vampires
Speaker 1: in the dark and where wolves see in the dark,
Speaker 1: you know, she would think maybe he still has some
Speaker 1: you know, carry over human habits. Old old habits die hard,
Speaker 1: you know for a while. That's true. Also, both the
Speaker 1: actor Alberto and Alicia are not were wolves nor vampires,
Speaker 1: so they can't see in the dark. So this might
Speaker 1: just have been a little movie magic. I guess we
Speaker 1: didn't have the budget to fly in real wear wolves
Speaker 1: for this. What and then charity, I'll look at that.
Speaker 1: I can't tell little friendship, Yeah, communicating. Oh we get
Speaker 1: a little Maya flashback too. Oh and young Luke as
Speaker 1: a patrolman in his uniform. Oh, I remember reading this
Speaker 1: scene made me cry in the table rain. This is
Speaker 1: a cool episode. I love it. The flashbacks on our
Speaker 1: show that they're not like in season one they were
Speaker 1: a bit more stylized because it was Luke telling a story.
Speaker 1: But with the way they tell the flashbacks now, it's
Speaker 1: it's slightly different, just enough, there's a bit of a hue,
Speaker 1: but it still feels like our show doesn't pull you out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I sometimes I feel like it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of cheating when you watch a flashback and it's
Speaker 1: like in black and white and we're like, we get it.
Speaker 1: I understand this is not current events, like I understand
Speaker 1: what's going on, unless it's an integral part of the
Speaker 1: story that ends up sort of lining up with the
Speaker 1: black and white momentum. Is a good example of that.
Speaker 1: But like sometimes I feel like it's cheating, And sometimes
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, you've done this with the storytelling
Speaker 1: and the performers are doing it and we don't need
Speaker 1: it to be sort of spoon fed as much. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but she's doing Wow, she's doing a great
Speaker 1: job in this ale. Sure you break my heart heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: They allay is such a good job with their physicality.
Speaker 1: All the folks who played werewolves on our show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, it's just individual enough, but just just has
Speaker 1: a through line enough that they're all the same creature,
Speaker 1: but they're all individual personalities within that creature as well,
Speaker 1: and they do do a great job with this physicality.
Speaker 1: Congratulations guys, and shout out to Nancy for this wig
Speaker 1: on Alicia. Yeah, if you wouldn't have known. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no way. It's awesome. Oh we're back in the woods
Speaker 1: and back to the day. Oh, this is the Numbers conversation.
Speaker 1: This is the Numbers conversation. Who says I'm worded out?
Speaker 1: He's like, he goes, I'm a virgin? That what? But
Speaker 1: he knew he was a virgin virgin shadow. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a joke. I always thought that was a
Speaker 1: joke and it was meant to both get Alec there
Speaker 1: and piss jas off a little. I always thought that
Speaker 1: that line was was him kidding, but also maybe not.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's the only real people to ask
Speaker 1: about that. Matt and Harry's my to be the writers.
Speaker 1: I just all of the Mallet conversations are written so beautifully.
Speaker 1: It's it's such a healthy relationship and the way they
Speaker 1: just handle things and talk things out. It's so nice
Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, I think that's why so many people
Speaker 1: fell in love with them. And a lot of it too.
Speaker 1: I mean, the writers did a good job, but Matt
Speaker 1: and Harry had so much input on this and really
Speaker 1: finessing it. How many here we go? To be fair,
Speaker 1: that's a big number. I mean, he's been alive for
Speaker 1: six hundred years though. All right, let's do the maths
Speaker 1: on this real quick. I'm just curious now. So six, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fair. What's the number? I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't think that If you feel
Speaker 1: like you want to do that math out there, then fine,
Speaker 1: But I don't think discussing people's sexual or romantic pass
Speaker 1: is necessarily appropriate, and it's not something I want to
Speaker 1: encourage necessarily that. But I was like, I saw a number,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I kind of get it. Either
Speaker 1: I did my maths wrong, or he's a handsome dude.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Look suffice it to say, none of
Speaker 1: that matters because their love and that is you know,
Speaker 1: they're committed to each other and past doesn't matter at
Speaker 1: that point. What matters it's the relationship you're in, man.
Speaker 1: Speaking of relationships you're in, Jason is in a very
Speaker 1: committed relationship with these rags and the equal Although that
Speaker 1: leather apron looks really good on you, thanks, it works
Speaker 1: for you, honestly, sometimes because the costumes are in such
Speaker 1: there's there's such an aesthetic to what we were wearing,
Speaker 1: the very similar for a lot of it. Just sometimes
Speaker 1: wearing something completely different. Fun Like it's just a fun
Speaker 1: like I'm just wearing an apron and you're like, this
Speaker 1: is a cool, weird bit of costume that I get
Speaker 1: to like play around with and just you know, mess
Speaker 1: with and whatever. It's good fun and we get to
Speaker 1: have a little fight here. I don't know, I can't
Speaker 1: remember why he's playing this to me, just rubbing it in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he likes this little power play. Just think
Speaker 1: really enjoys it. Yeah that's fair. I hate that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's age man, but I agree with
Speaker 1: him in this conversation. Not in a lot of what
Speaker 1: he does, but in this conversation I kind of get it,
Speaker 1: Like is he getting a kick out of it or
Speaker 1: is the real reality? Like his jobs to keep shadow
Speaker 1: Onto safe and to do that, they need to know
Speaker 1: everything about their shadow. And you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like if you were a marine and someone lied on
Speaker 1: their form and like said they didn't have epilepsy or something,
Speaker 1: and you're out on patrol and one of you guys
Speaker 1: has a fit and you're like, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we're a guy down who has a machine gun in
Speaker 1: his hand or something like that, Like there's a danger.
Speaker 1: I think you need to be responsible enough to tell
Speaker 1: the people around even if we were on set as actors,
Speaker 1: if we were on set and we had like an
Speaker 1: issue that would potentially endanger other people or their jobs
Speaker 1: or their livelihoods, or their physical safety or their mental safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's your responsibility to tell them. Right, we
Speaker 1: talk about trust all the time. I think I sort
Speaker 1: of get what he's doing here. Oh I love this
Speaker 1: scene with Lisa Luke's family trying to care about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that. Clear he just keeps finding family throughout
Speaker 1: this It's it's a really nice thing. As someone who
Speaker 1: felt so alone in the world, you know what it
Speaker 1: is picking them up because none of these new people
Speaker 1: talk to any of the old people. Because what we
Speaker 1: say in reality is like don't trust me, save yourself,
Speaker 1: run away, whatever you can do. Don't join this fucking team.
Speaker 1: It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. Like and anyone who
Speaker 1: you notice, the guys who have foresight, like the Silent
Speaker 1: Brothers and stuff, they will keep their distance. They're like,
Speaker 1: peace out, man, We're going to hang out in this
Speaker 1: like skull ridden horrible but equally gigantic and kind of
Speaker 1: gothically beautiful basement. That's where we're going to stay because
Speaker 1: we know what happens in the future and that we
Speaker 1: don't want any part of it exactly. Oh and then
Speaker 1: I forgot. We get this little um tutorial, the magic
Speaker 1: mural with the mortal instruments, which we have not seen
Speaker 1: up until this point. No, we even't even really talks
Speaker 1: about the more instruments, Like I think this is sort
Speaker 1: of the first time with gearing up the end of
Speaker 1: this season for the first time in this but any
Speaker 1: think we've even really talked about what the more instruments are.
Speaker 1: Sward the mirror in the cup. Oh, now we're back
Speaker 1: with Luke. Come on, Luke, you got this. Hold it together, man,
Speaker 1: Keep it together. Makes you wonder how many times you
Speaker 1: know when you're camping and you hear something in the woods,
Speaker 1: you just kind of go wear a wolves where regular wolf.
Speaker 1: The wolves look so good. Oh my god, the teeth.
Speaker 1: I think that was one of the only times he
Speaker 1: got to use his teeth. Mhm. I think that might
Speaker 1: be the one shot because then they made Joel use
Speaker 1: them later. Yeah, poor Joe ah Man. This wolf Simon
Speaker 1: is always the one when somebody's having a problem to go, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk you down from this right now.
Speaker 1: He just ser that's what he's good at. Like he's
Speaker 1: got the speed and the blood law still all that
Speaker 1: ship now, but like his real superpower is his words.
Speaker 1: Like Jay doesn't really get to experience that until literally
Speaker 1: the last episode, but he does. It's like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you this beautiful memory and completely so
Speaker 1: I he writes the graphic novel. Oh so this was
Speaker 1: something that I I didn't understand that they changed the
Speaker 1: mythology of how the sword works from the book. And
Speaker 1: in the book, the mythology is that it it is
Speaker 1: used as to to activate the Wish, but they made
Speaker 1: it in our show that it was a weapon that
Speaker 1: could kill all downwolders. Um it was I think originally
Speaker 1: supposed to be a weapon that could kill all demons,
Speaker 1: but they expanded it so that Valentine had a reason
Speaker 1: to use it to destroy the world. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a ticking time mom. In other words,
Speaker 1: we change the mythology, and it's sort of difficult to
Speaker 1: reconcile with the book in a lot of ways. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it made it work in the end. I guess it
Speaker 1: made it work in the end. That's what matters. Speaking
Speaker 1: of Clary's just finding out about No, this is the
Speaker 1: first time you use it. You this is the first
Speaker 1: time you show someone, right, Yeah, this is the first
Speaker 1: time I show her the run. But this is the
Speaker 1: first time I know what it can do, and or
Speaker 1: what the Mortal Sword can do. Oh, look, is he
Speaker 1: gonna is He's gonna use the listening room, the far
Speaker 1: away listening room, far away listening room. Yeah, this the
Speaker 1: spying room. We just got one for everything. Well if
Speaker 1: only we had one for logic, right, and maybe we
Speaker 1: would't end up in all these problems communication common sense,
Speaker 1: A common sense room. The amount of time they asked
Speaker 1: us what room we would like as our characters, and
Speaker 1: we were like one for the wings or like whatever
Speaker 1: we should say common sense, that's true. They're I'm going
Speaker 1: to start saying that again, folks is killing it this up.
Speaker 1: They've done a really really good job with this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's amazing how much as actors, mostly because we
Speaker 1: know we weren't there, you can then sort of see
Speaker 1: the little bits of disparity between like our bodies and
Speaker 1: then the background or whatever whatever the new thing is
Speaker 1: that's there. But I think what they do that so
Speaker 1: good is really minimize those opportunities where you can tell
Speaker 1: the difference because there are some like even just me
Speaker 1: watching the show, they've been not this episode because some
Speaker 1: barely Inette told you, I mentioned it again, Um, but
Speaker 1: they there are a few instances where I've watched the
Speaker 1: show and gone, I remember going to that place, like
Speaker 1: I don't. I genuinely don't remember being there, and it's
Speaker 1: because I wasn't working there. I wasn't there, and they
Speaker 1: just did it down good job making it look like
Speaker 1: I was there, did a fantastic job. And then we
Speaker 1: have a lovely scene with you know, the kids bringing
Speaker 1: Luke back convincing him. So but surely we need to truly,
Speaker 1: you're the only sensible adult in this show. Yeah for real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he does do a good job at losing it. Isaiah,
Speaker 1: he does. He doesn't I've ever seen of him later
Speaker 1: on in three Oh Man, like when he comes up
Speaker 1: when he like the hinges come loose, fun Like it's
Speaker 1: so good to watch. You get to learn a lot
Speaker 1: acting in some ways. It's kind of like sports, Like
Speaker 1: the best like the best scene partners are the people
Speaker 1: who are better than you, or you consider better than you,
Speaker 1: or more experienced or more versed in a certain area
Speaker 1: of whatever it is. Like it's like a tennis partner.
Speaker 1: You're not going to get better unless you face someone
Speaker 1: who's better than you and sort of figure out like
Speaker 1: how to how to do that dance with them kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And then like Isaiah that that scene in
Speaker 1: particular where he starts to go off the rails and
Speaker 1: season three and would able to sort of sit back
Speaker 1: and go, wow, holy ship, like there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: things that I'm stealing, just like my little bag of
Speaker 1: tricks I'm having that that's it wasn't And another good
Speaker 1: Malax scene, ms, stay no, you're not two different guys.
Speaker 1: We've got to get better at this. You and I
Speaker 1: like when the good scenes come on, get so cut
Speaker 1: entirely forget that we're doing a podcast, like all the
Speaker 1: only thing that reminds me. I'm looking up at my
Speaker 1: my iPad and then I sort of see this, like
Speaker 1: and my instinct is to be like, oh wait because
Speaker 1: it's in the way, and I'm like, oh, that's why
Speaker 1: I'm at work. I'm doing a job right now. Ki
Speaker 1: they kiss. Yeah, I'm just sitting here cheering because Alec
Speaker 1: is about to leave. And then it comes back. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't care. We're not too different. This is this
Speaker 1: is what's meant to be. They take effort and I'm
Speaker 1: willing to do it. That's all you want to hear
Speaker 1: from someone, you know. Oh, that's right, I remember the
Speaker 1: ending of this. I remember the ending of this scene. Ah,
Speaker 1: nothing like your brother coming a cock block you by
Speaker 1: turning up at your boyfriend's apartment. Jesus Jakes, what were
Speaker 1: you thinking, Well, you can't really go to the Jade Wolf.
Speaker 1: Can't go to the Jade Wolf obviously, can't stay at
Speaker 1: the institute anymore. Wow, those are really Jason's two options.
Speaker 1: That's really quite sad. Well, I mean, let's you want
Speaker 1: to go to Raphael's apartment, but I really don't think Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think I would be
Speaker 1: super welcome there either. Yeah, I the seely Glades. Probably not.
Speaker 1: They're not a fan of us either. Definitely not me.
Speaker 1: I forgot about this for time. We see Clary get
Speaker 1: jealous because she and sees Simon and Maya. Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: because we're still brother and sister at this point. Right. Wow,
Speaker 1: this guys on that goes on for longer than I thought.
Speaker 1: From the episode eleven of season one, I think it's
Speaker 1: all of season two. No, is that true until the
Speaker 1: very end? No, that's not true. That's not true because no, wait, huh,
Speaker 1: it's a good better season two. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: decent way through season two ship. Yeah you're right, because
Speaker 1: the midway through a bit oh ship. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Wow,
Speaker 1: we really hung onto this storyline longer than we should.
Speaker 1: I just bat everywhere I mean to be. It's been
Speaker 1: a good podcast for me that hopefully that video is
Speaker 1: not the one that we end up getting on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I started it by talking about the world's longest part
Speaker 1: that I've ever done, and I'm ending it by spitting
Speaker 1: all over myself. Good Lord put a mess to be
Speaker 1: fair in the books. It lasts for about five books.
Speaker 1: I remember you saying this, Yeah, that's that's it's that's
Speaker 1: a lot. It's a lot because they find out at
Speaker 1: the end of book one, and I think it's not
Speaker 1: till book five or six that they find out. Does
Speaker 1: the audience Do the readers know that they found out
Speaker 1: and they're like making out and stuff. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a long time. That's a long time for this
Speaker 1: because I sort of figured like, at least if the
Speaker 1: reader knows, they're like, oh, it's okay, don't worry, You're
Speaker 1: allowed to be in love and just swim fighting these
Speaker 1: instincts or whatever that they don't know either. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not till because then then Clary has a whole, Like
Speaker 1: the whole Clary Sebastian thing is a lot more because
Speaker 1: you know, there's it's still not Jason and Simon is
Speaker 1: off on his own. I think, so I'm in Isabella
Speaker 1: together in the books at that point, more close to it,
Speaker 1: and then she meets the Bastion and she's like, you
Speaker 1: sort of remind me of this guy that I loved,
Speaker 1: but he turned out to be my brother, so maybe
Speaker 1: I'll fall in love with you instead, and that just
Speaker 1: the way. Now, I was just watching the last thirty
Speaker 1: seconds of this, and I remember this scene happening either,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure I saw what I saw. It
Speaker 1: kind of came out the corner of my eye. Does
Speaker 1: she get stabbed? Hold on? Sorry, I'm still in the
Speaker 1: scene with Isabelle and alder Tree where she's like, what
Speaker 1: the hell? Oh yeah, I almost died, almost drowned at
Speaker 1: the citadel because he didn't tell me. And then he
Speaker 1: pulls information out of her because he's again holding the drugs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's so good at the subtlety of this too. He
Speaker 1: just kind of holds it and looks at it. And yes,
Speaker 1: Cleophus does get stabbed because no, no, no, it's the
Speaker 1: other one. It's not Cleophus. No, yeah, it's it's um Magdali.
Speaker 1: That's wait, does she stabbed her own? I heard, sister? Yeah,
Speaker 1: why does this happen? I think it's because somebody's threatening Clary.
Speaker 1: Oh no, because she's a circle member, oh ship, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that one times back. I remember that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember that happening at all. Mom, looks, sister, that's what
Speaker 1: I said, sister, Yeah, I just have an accent. O. Wow.
Speaker 1: Well on that note, wow wow, we did a real
Speaker 1: good job there. I'm proud of us, super proud of us.
Speaker 1: Lights from this episode. What was your favorite part? Ah,
Speaker 1: just my stellar performance in all the scenes that I
Speaker 1: was in. I think that they really utilized my I
Speaker 1: think that's what it was. No, I like, I like
Speaker 1: the flashback. I think Alicia did a really amazing job
Speaker 1: in that, and so did Isaiah. That little bond and
Speaker 1: watching what someone goes through the night they find out
Speaker 1: was really quite harrowing. So that was probably my favorite party.
Speaker 1: That's great. I don't know, I gotta shout out folks, VFX,
Speaker 1: I gotta shout out all of the Malik date us
Speaker 1: makes my heart so great. It was really weird and
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll see a lot more of that the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fingers crossed. We don't know. It honestly turns out that,
Speaker 1: like there's whole chunks of this show that I don't remember,
Speaker 1: actual bits of it that I don't remember filming. Its
Speaker 1: no memory whatsoever. And maybe it's because we didn't have
Speaker 1: a fight scene, like because I can connect them to
Speaker 1: like the stunt or the fight or like whatever it was. No,
Speaker 1: that can't be true, because the story points that I remember,
Speaker 1: I think it's just because I had sort of a
Speaker 1: fairly flustered story in this one. I think also we
Speaker 1: were so busy and the pace got so quick at
Speaker 1: a certain point, we were just in a in a
Speaker 1: routine and a machie happens to me on every series
Speaker 1: they do. I'll be watching it back and going, oh,
Speaker 1: I totally forgot this scene because you do you block it?
Speaker 1: We didn't block sho on Shadow and did we know?
Speaker 1: We just didn't know it was episode by episode. Did
Speaker 1: you do you block shoot on Walker independence We did
Speaker 1: on our first well, our episode two, three and four
Speaker 1: because we were two and three had the same director,
Speaker 1: and then episode four we were kind of waiting for
Speaker 1: our sound stages to be ready because they were still
Speaker 1: building our sets, so we had to kind of crossboards
Speaker 1: and things. And so for anyone who doesn't know, block
Speaker 1: shooting is when you take a chunk of whatever it is,
Speaker 1: So it's anything two episodes and above. So some block
Speaker 1: shooting is episode one and two, three and four, or
Speaker 1: five and six, so on, so forth. Some of them
Speaker 1: is the first half of the season, the second half
Speaker 1: of the season, sometimes three episodes, you know whatever, And
Speaker 1: it's a convenient way of scheduling things because you can
Speaker 1: put all the bits in the same location in the
Speaker 1: same place. However, for an actor sometimes that can be
Speaker 1: especially when it's on a series where you do each
Speaker 1: episode is sort of a little chunk of the story,
Speaker 1: little chapter of the story that can get a little confusing,
Speaker 1: where you're chopping backwards and forwards between these big plot
Speaker 1: points that happened at the end of episodes, and that
Speaker 1: can get a little trickier. So it's it's sort of
Speaker 1: similar to how you would shoot a movie in its entirety, um,
Speaker 1: except you don't know how and the series is not
Speaker 1: written yet. It was a lot more hours of a
Speaker 1: story that you have to remember at that point, but
Speaker 1: they can give hours of story. Next uppisode is actually
Speaker 1: I think one of our first, um big fight scenes
Speaker 1: together that you and I did all of Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think what episode is it? When I went to seven,
Speaker 1: which I think had something to do with a roof
Speaker 1: and some shale. What our camera operators would always outcry
Speaker 1: when ever there was a hard day on set is
Speaker 1: that very iconic moan we should have had Glenn do
Speaker 1: it when he was on the podcast. That's true, we
Speaker 1: should have it's also yeah, it's the date with Sarah
Speaker 1: as well. Oh yeah, the Jace Simon Double Day Shots episode,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. I just finished working with Jeff shots on Walker. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he came and did um did one of our episodes
Speaker 1: just a few ago, and he was so good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: on that note, looking forward to the next episode, We've
Speaker 1: got lots to talk about. Thank you all for the sening.
Speaker 1: As always, take her We'll be back next week, Kyle,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Return to the Shadows as hosted and
Speaker 1: executive produced by me Dominic. Sherwood and Katherine McNamara are
Speaker 1: executive producers Langley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes and
Speaker 1: Diego Tapia. Our producer is Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermeilia,
Speaker 1: and our intern is Sam Katz. Original music by Alex Kinzy,
Speaker 1: performed by Alex Kinzy and Katherine McNamara, and the episode
Speaker 1: was mixed by Seth Lanski.