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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything so don't don't do. Hey, guys, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Worst Year Ever. My name's Katie Stole and

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Speaker 1: joining me today is always Are Cody Evans, Robert jail

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Speaker 1: Lovely to see you, Cody Evans and Robert J. Johnston.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. How's it going terrible? I know? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll say this. One thing that's nice about the last

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks is that I feel like we finally

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Speaker 1: as a as a culture in America have gotten over

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Speaker 1: calling it the Ukraine. You really turned a corner week.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really lovely silver lining positive and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you bring that to the table. Everything else

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Speaker 1: is fucked. You gotta look at those little gems. You've

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Speaker 1: got to find something to hold onto in times like these. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when I heard Fox News hosts getting it right, I

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Speaker 1: was like, we really turned a corner on this one.

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Speaker 1: Did they get it right or did they correct somebody?

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Speaker 1: And they they have like a segment on it because

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Speaker 1: I feel like that, like there was a meeting where

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Speaker 1: everyone was like, we gotta we gotta start doing this correctly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they decided how didn't even start everyone calling it

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Speaker 1: the Ukraine. I think it dates back to Soviet property,

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Speaker 1: but I really don't know off the top of my head. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: we were going to talk about Andrew Yang this week,

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Speaker 1: but we pushed it instead to talk about all this

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Speaker 1: whistleblower stuff because it's it's a lot and it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit confusing. We were not expecting the president to

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Speaker 1: be impeached. It was. It was a surprise, Yes, sure

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Speaker 1: talking about it, But in are it's kind of impossible

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Speaker 1: to guess which impeachable offense actually will get you impeached

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Speaker 1: these days. Yeah, exactly. It's kind of a gamble the

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Speaker 1: day post inauguration doing a video about how he could

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Speaker 1: be impeached for because the millions clause the second he

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Speaker 1: not do that. Well, you had to give him a chance.

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Speaker 1: You gotta give a chance. Yeah, maybe one day he'll

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Speaker 1: be presidential material. Kind of neat that he actually got

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Speaker 1: in trouble for the smallest bribe he's tried to make. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a quarter million dollars. Nothing. Come on, come on, man,

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Speaker 1: you live in a tower full of gold. What are

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Speaker 1: you what are you doing? Come on for it. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: good times. So we thought we'd start off by talking

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the whistleblower process and the history

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Speaker 1: of it and how it's changed. This is also complicated.

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Speaker 1: It's also complicated, and I think I have about sixty

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Speaker 1: of the story in my head with as much as

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Speaker 1: I've read, just because things keep breaking and like, there's

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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff that like, it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: some people are lying, and so some of the information

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Speaker 1: get to the bottom of what is accurate, and it

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Speaker 1: feels irresponsible to dis us too much about some of

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Speaker 1: it until we have more information. But speaking of irresponsible,

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Speaker 1: let's discuss more about this without having more information. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about some stuff that we do

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Speaker 1: know and yeah, for example, yeah, let's let's give I

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Speaker 1: decided to try to give a little bit of historical

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Speaker 1: very complicated and I'm very dumb um, but I have

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Speaker 1: blowing thrilled. If we want to understand us whistle blowing

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Speaker 1: law as it relates to the intelligence industry, we have

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Speaker 1: to travel back in time, Cody, can you do a

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Speaker 1: good time machine noise? That's disgusting acceptable soul, and I

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Speaker 1: need to like, I got another one? Another one you get?

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Speaker 1: All of you so bad? No, stop it, stop it.

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Speaker 1: a little on the nose, both of you. I am

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Speaker 1: what a train wreck this episode is. If you don't

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Speaker 1: hear our listener numbers plummeting. Don't guys, don't go listening

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Speaker 1: to their cars with the stereos all the way up.

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Speaker 1: what a terrible idea. You didn't say why it was

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Speaker 1: Thomas drank and then an Essay employee with a super

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Speaker 1: all of us without warrants. Some people might recognize this

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Speaker 1: like the way that intelligence community whistleblowers could could come forward.

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Speaker 1: But whistleblowers in the intel community are not protected from

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Speaker 1: He was suspected of hoarding documentation, which he had been

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Speaker 1: with this. It's just so how easy it is. This

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Speaker 1: easily could have not come to light. And there's another

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Speaker 1: quote I'll read that that exactly gets into that, like

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Speaker 1: they never nobody anticipated this. Um. The Intelligence Community whistle

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Speaker 1: Blower Protection Act has no provisions for what should happen

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Speaker 1: if the Inspector General determines something is of urgent concern.

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Speaker 1: But the d and I refused forward it to Congress.

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Speaker 1: The scenario has never come up before, so we just

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Speaker 1: nobody thought that this should be part of the thing.

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Speaker 1: And in the course of the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: it's like there's this news damn has broken up open

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Speaker 1: and you're getting all sorts of reports about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the President calling other like the Australian Prime Minister and

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Speaker 1: pressuring them to help, you know, discredit our intelligence agencies

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Speaker 1: in the Russia investigation and makes you wonder what other

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Speaker 1: things and what other one o the things like this

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Speaker 1: have been ignored or like determined like well that's not

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Speaker 1: actually these calls that were with MBS and uh, you

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Speaker 1: know putting there's different calls that are on the same

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Speaker 1: highly secure server as this call. The transcript was like,

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Speaker 1: there's just lots of stuff that people haven't had access to.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of a lot of stuff that people haven't had

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Speaker 1: access to. Do you know what stuff people do have

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Speaker 1: access to thanks to listening to this podcast, products and services.

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Speaker 1: That's goddamn right, thank you. You just jumped in there

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Speaker 1: with a smooth transition. Easily the best AD transition I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen. That was like, butter, that was the best transitions.

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Speaker 1: Talk about it. Yes you're done, Yes you do, like

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Speaker 1: then you unpack how it works. It's sort of like that.

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Speaker 1: My first AD transition was the report to the Inspector

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Speaker 1: General and and now it's caught up in the d

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Speaker 1: n I and I'm still talking. We haven't analyzing McGuire. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is it worth doing the transition? Is it incredible? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Nobody this never come up before fact that actually isn't

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Speaker 1: involved with the actual person that like can be hell account,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's there's a lot. There's so much too,

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Speaker 1: there is and it all makes for quality podcast Speaking

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Speaker 1: of quality podcasts, put us together everything, So don don

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Speaker 1: don we're back from so back. We just walked in

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Speaker 1: to find us here with these sad looks upon our faces.

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Speaker 1: We should have read more about whistleblowing. While I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you wrote a quite a lot about

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Speaker 1: whistle blowing law. Yeah, you did a pretty good job.

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Speaker 1: That to syllables for the melody it was. You're right,

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Speaker 1: keep working on it. It's not the most important thing,

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Speaker 1: right now, get your mando out. We'll figure this out. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start bringing it to every recording well, because

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Speaker 1: my goal this year is to call a mandolin a mando. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's definitely makes it sound pervilier, thank you. Hey,

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Speaker 1: look at that, Look at that. Look at that mando.

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Speaker 1: Guy covered in lanyards, they'll say, Mando Lano the all lander.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of lanyards, this people the organizations often wear them,

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Speaker 1: and some organizations before they yeah, yeah, do we think

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Speaker 1: this guy is going to get executed? So that's that's

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Speaker 1: a good question. According to the president, that's what he wants. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is according to him. Um no, because I don't

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Speaker 1: think I don't think he can get away you'll get

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Speaker 1: away with well, I mean, we'll see what he can

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Speaker 1: get away with. Yeah. I trust our country's reputation and

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Speaker 1: protecting whistleblowers. Um, but like the execution, that seems that

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Speaker 1: seems a little much. Um. I wonder there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff that America is capable of, and when Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump does them, uh, people react negatively to it, even

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Speaker 1: if it's something that like we've done before. Um. So

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Speaker 1: I wonder if people will be like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe they were you know. Um, in the

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Speaker 1: same way that there's a there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: people now protecting this whistleblower, calling him a patriot. Uh,

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Speaker 1: when just a few short years ago they might have

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Speaker 1: been calling Edward Stowen a trader. Sure, Um, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the hypocrisy. Maybe maybe there's a there's a double stand.

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Speaker 1: They're quick to jump to this person's defense. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: the patriot got to protect him when Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: a really important conversation if we're about Bowers because it's

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Speaker 1: also like, but where was the where is the outrage

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Speaker 1: for Thomas Drake, which had it? Because nobody And that's

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Speaker 1: part of like we have we have all these people

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Speaker 1: have been paying more attention. But um, over the years

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Speaker 1: people cared about Chelsea Manny. But it's not the same,

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Speaker 1: it's not the same thing. I would say, the fundamental

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Speaker 1: difference that you have, UM, not that this means that

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Speaker 1: like I think that Chelsea Manning or Edward Snowden should

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Speaker 1: be executed. Um. You have this difference between there's the

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Speaker 1: people who tried to do it within the system, and

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Speaker 1: there's the people who who did not, who just decided

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Speaker 1: that the system was not going to provide them a

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Speaker 1: realistic way to deal with it. And you can feel

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Speaker 1: about that the way you do. But it is if

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Speaker 1: someone is saying if someone is saying, I think that

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Speaker 1: Edward Snowden or Chelsea Manning should be tried because they

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Speaker 1: broke the law and didn't go through the system, this

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Speaker 1: person should not be tried because they stayed in the system,

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Speaker 1: I would say that's not an inconsistent position, and they

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Speaker 1: disagree with it, but it's consistent. UM. But I would

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Speaker 1: say one of the issues in terms of like my

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Speaker 1: fearing for this whistleblowers life is one of the things

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Speaker 1: we saw with Drake was that he did everything by

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Speaker 1: the book and then as soon as somebody else leaked

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Speaker 1: it to the media, everyone just assumed it was him

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Speaker 1: and they threw him under the bus because the colud

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Speaker 1: been waiting for an opportunity to funck this guy. Um.

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Speaker 1: And that's my worry for the whistle blower is that,

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Speaker 1: like Trump's can it like you can't punish him for

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Speaker 1: going to the i G. But you can claim he's

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Speaker 1: a leaker, because that's what Trump's been talking about, is

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Speaker 1: trying the leakers for treason, leakers and spies. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think this person has some costs to be concerned. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: he does well, especially since the president's up there tweeting

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Speaker 1: about it. The president's making it, you know, talking about

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Speaker 1: civil war. He's talking about you know, yeah, how traders

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Speaker 1: deserve to die. And and that isn't something that we've

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Speaker 1: experienced from an American president. That's something you see in

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Speaker 1: Richard Nixon would say all that stuff, but he'd say

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Speaker 1: it drunk into his desk microphone on Twitter. Here. That's

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Speaker 1: the best thing about recordings, No one will ever hear about, well,

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Speaker 1: you can't replay recordings. You know you can't. That's what's

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Speaker 1: good about recordings. It's also like, amidst all of this

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Speaker 1: and this concern, the New York Times just starts like

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Speaker 1: writing about the whistler's identity. Good, well, yeah, speak truth

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Speaker 1: to power. It's just it's so I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: weird if you know The New York Times, but like

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Speaker 1: just a consistent every like big institution like that just

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Speaker 1: really just not helping. One of the things that was

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Speaker 1: really entertaining to me was I think it was a

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Speaker 1: member of Castro's team who like they put out a

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Speaker 1: bunch of information that was like publicly available information on

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Speaker 1: Trump donors, the people who would like maxed out Trump

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Speaker 1: and the New York Times. There was someone in an

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Speaker 1: opted on the Times criticized that as endangering those people's

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Speaker 1: lives and like potentially directing harassment towards itself. It's like,

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Speaker 1: and all we did was published publicly available information, and

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Speaker 1: then The Times published a defense of why it was

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Speaker 1: newsworthy to reveal personal information about the whistleblower. And it's like, interesting,

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Speaker 1: you guys think that might be inconsistent, Maybe that word again. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I bet it was Brett Stevens or David Brooks. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's probably one of those teams, maybe some amalgam of

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Speaker 1: them both, like that monster and the thing's just like

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Speaker 1: bubbling with Brett Stevens or Brooks is truly horrifying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably some Charles Croudhammer in there. Probably, Yeah, cool, not great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't love when the president talks about treason in

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Speaker 1: in this way not really really not good. Um, a

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Speaker 1: person that's called for the death penalty for for a

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Speaker 1: lot of different reasons, but a lot of reasons, a

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Speaker 1: lot of reasons, um, for his entire life. Not a

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Speaker 1: flip flopper, not a flip flopper at least consistent about

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Speaker 1: might be flip flopping on that one tweet about can

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Speaker 1: you impeach a president for gross and competence? But he's

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Speaker 1: some flops on that. Yeah, um, but but like he knows,

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Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing too, with like the oh,

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Speaker 1: they're all witch hunting me and they're all coming after me,

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Speaker 1: and actually I'm the one that's under attack and you

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Speaker 1: need to protect to me from the treason and the

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Speaker 1: spies who were going to kill Maybe I have a

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Speaker 1: civil war. Maybe maybe we'll like slowly tweet about how

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Speaker 1: there's gonna maybe we should do a civil war. Hasn't

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Speaker 1: he already said several times that Adam Schiff is also

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Speaker 1: committing treason? Actually are are exciting? New segment of the

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Speaker 1: show Who Does the President Want Dead? This week? Number

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Speaker 1: one on that entry is Adam Shift? Can I read

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Speaker 1: you all a quote from the Daily Beast please? President

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump showed no sign of ending his weekend twitter rampage,

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Speaker 1: starting his Monday off with a tweet calling for the

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Speaker 1: arrest of Adam Shift for treason and mocking China on

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Speaker 1: its birthday. The President first attack the Democratic House Intel

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Speaker 1: chairman for fictionalizing his call to Ukraine's president during a

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Speaker 1: coggressional investigation hearing into the whistleblower complaint last week. During

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Speaker 1: his opening statement, Schiff hypothesize what Trump might have said

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Speaker 1: to make him sound like a mob boss. Rep. Adam Shift,

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Speaker 1: I legally made up a fake and terrible statement and

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Speaker 1: pretended it to be mine as the most important part

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Speaker 1: of my call to the Ukrainian president and read it

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Speaker 1: allowed to Congress and the American people, Trump wrote Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: It bore no resemblance to what I said on the call,

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Speaker 1: arrest for treason. It's it's a question that it's a

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Speaker 1: question for treason, treason, putting that out there, let's just

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Speaker 1: have a conversation about it. Rest for treason. I think

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna ask, Like when I'm out with

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Speaker 1: friends and like we've been drinking a little while and

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Speaker 1: like we're considering with that to get a bite to

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Speaker 1: eat or going to the next bar. Arrest for treason,

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Speaker 1: for treason, Yeah, arrest for treason, arrist for treason, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: kill because me want stay president. We want to stay president.

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Speaker 1: Dead shift, consolidating power, yeah, great. Pattern of him just

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Speaker 1: sort of uh, because so many people talk about like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's the treason president. He did that. He's a trader

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Speaker 1: and stuff, and like, yes, there are just people, but

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Speaker 1: he's the literal president. Yeah, maybe he shouldn't be saying

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Speaker 1: we're gonna kill these traders and maybe um, maybe he

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Speaker 1: was talking about the Second Amendment and like they're trying

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Speaker 1: to take away, take it away, saying like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe the Second Amendment, people can take care of it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe just like a slow pattern of like literally the

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Speaker 1: president promoting violence real quick did you guys see that story, uh,

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Speaker 1: Wayne Lapierre, I believe n r A. No, it's so

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Speaker 1: President there was no he met with Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: saying that the n r A would back his defense

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Speaker 1: impeachment defense if he like, but Nick gun, you let

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Speaker 1: the gun stuff slide. I wonder how they'll back. We'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens here. I will say one of the

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Speaker 1: things about that Trump tweet on Shift that I think

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Speaker 1: has been under reported. Um, everyone's talking about like the

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Speaker 1: arrest for treason, and then it's implicating he wants Shift dead,

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Speaker 1: which is a problem. That's a problem, um. And the

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Speaker 1: thing that concerns me also is Adam Shift illegally made

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Speaker 1: up a fake and terrible statement. How do you illegally?

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Speaker 1: How do you do that? Do you do that? Pretty sure?

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Speaker 1: First Amendment covers rhetorically what Adam Schiff was doing. You

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Speaker 1: can argue it was a good idea of that idea

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Speaker 1: for optics. Pretty sure the First Amendment covers that. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you listen to the actual context of a statements,

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Speaker 1: doesn't understand the First Amendment. So like when the President

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Speaker 1: just constantly calls anybody disagrees with them scumb and the

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Speaker 1: enemy of the people that and that now is saying that,

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00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: like just saying words is illegal. Yeah, that's a concern

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00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: to you. That might not be the like I would

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Speaker 1: consider it a a better trend line if the president

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Speaker 1: were saying, maybe we should increase the ice cream stockpile,

646
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: that would be less worrying than decreasing the amount of

647
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Speaker 1: speech that is legal. So a guy like a guy

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00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: who uh sued somebody over a joke, Yes, and who's

649
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: been constantly talking about repealing and like revisiting libel laws,

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Speaker 1: you're concerned about this someone who like historically is like

651
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: praising other leaders who jail and murder, jail and who

652
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: criticize them. Yeah, I don't know, might be reaching there. Um.

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Speaker 1: The Heritage Center is holding an event um uh called

654
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Speaker 1: Preserve the Constitution? Should the Press be restrained? Re examining

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00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: the Constitution. That sounds preservation, doesn't It doesn't it sound

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Speaker 1: like you're preserving the Constitution by restraining the press. The

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00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: Constitution loves the press not being allowed. That's my favorite

658
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: thing about the Constitution. Yeah, they thought about the press

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00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: after they wrote it, and like, we won't add anything.

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Speaker 1: We won't we won't make we won't address this In fact,

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Speaker 1: the first thing that happened after they signed the Constitution

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Speaker 1: was Thomas Jefferson walked outside, saw a newspaper and said,

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Speaker 1: what is this, Oh boy, who else is the president

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Speaker 1: threatening to have killed? This week? The whistle blow? That's

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Speaker 1: that's like the leakers to the time. Um, half of America,

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00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: half of America. UM. We could argue that those people

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Speaker 1: are illegal immigrants and consinuating a civil war. That I

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Speaker 1: I think that could fall into the category of UH

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Speaker 1: saying that half the country is going to be dead. Well,

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Speaker 1: are you pro or anti civil war? Cody? I I'll

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Speaker 1: lay it out here. I am generally anti civil war,

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00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: but I'm pro some people's anti civil war tweets because

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00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: some of them have been fun. This week there's some fun,

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Speaker 1: some fun. I mean, it's you know, I think it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather than not be a talk about civil war

676
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: trending on Twitter for days. Well, the civil war thing is, UM,

677
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: it's really insidious and weird because the UH the idea

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00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: that people are like gunning for a civil war. I

679
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: didn't mean to say gunning, UM, but they are that.

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Speaker 1: Not only is it a desire of a lot of

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00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: people in the far right, but it also the claim

682
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: that people want it also comes from like right wing media,

683
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: and it's been this way for a long time. We've

684
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: been waiting for this, this has been building right. The

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00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: claim that, uh, you you'll see it a lot like

686
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: all the all these liberals they want they want a

687
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: civil war, that's actually not true. Um. It's usually said

688
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: in reaction to like liberals are like democrats following the

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Speaker 1: law to a t to hold people wanting only the

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00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: cops to have Usually the civil war wanters don't want

691
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: only the cops to have guns. Yeah, it's interesting, Um,

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Speaker 1: it's it's especially interesting to me these like far right,

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00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: like even like the Fox News folks being so uh

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00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: scared about a civil war, but they always talk about

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00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: a civil war. But they're also really anti government, so

696
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: it's just interesting that they choose the term civil war

697
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: when their ideology would indicate a revolution. I mean, has

698
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: there been some time in the past where like a

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00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: small extremist chunk of this country tried to fight for

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Speaker 1: their ability to do the shitty things they wanted to

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00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: do without any oversight from anyone else, and then maybe

702
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: that cause was lost? Did that happen? I just come

703
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: so no, Okay, good, good good. I'm glad there's no president.

704
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: Did you guys see this tweet from the oath Keepers

705
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: response tweeting the president's threat. I mean he was talking

706
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: about quoting somebody talking about a civil war. That's Donald

707
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: Trump and the oath Keepers quote tweeted. Retweeted that this

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00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: whole thread is important to read. The term civil war

709
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: is increasingly on people's tongue, tongues people's tongue, and not

710
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: just cold civil war, full blown hot civil war. Fact is,

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00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: patriots consider the left to be domestic enemies of the

712
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: constitution bent on the destruction of the republic. So I'm

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00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, Now there's this like eight hundred

714
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: dollar night vision scope that I could get from my rifle. Um,

715
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: that is about the cheapest I can get thermal opticsful

716
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: for but the really good ones are like bucks. And

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00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: like it kind of depends for me on like how

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Speaker 1: soon the civil war is going to because the money

719
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: is not going to matter as much as thermal optics

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00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: if it starts well, but and if it's happening during

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00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: the winter, when you know the days are shorter, you

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00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: need at from the night time. Do I want to

723
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: make sure it's rubberized because rainy. It's going to be

724
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: when the civil wars have time to save up for

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00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: guys wouldn't be aware to the civil war because I

726
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: need to figure out now, oh, plate carriers, plate carrier carriers,

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00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: and uh maybe like a run the jewels hoodie. If

728
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: I talk about this near my phone, maybe I'll start

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00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: getting targeted ads on civil war here, maga hats and

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00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: pussy hats. Yeah, that's yeah, it's going to be terrible.

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Speaker 1: Pussy cats. Don't do I need to put like some

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Speaker 1: metal in my pussy you know, I know you're right,

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Speaker 1: you do need to. You need to get some plates

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Speaker 1: in there to protect nit knit around. I'm going to say,

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Speaker 1: run the jewels, hoodies, Run the Jewels. I think I

736
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Speaker 1: think Killer Mike would be on board with that. Um.

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Speaker 1: That seems like a pretty good time to pivot to

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Speaker 1: an ad break. Speaking of executing large numbers of political dissidents,

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00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: you know who doesn't do that? Tell me, tell me

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00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: corporations who support this podcast. Okay, I love corporations. No dissidence.

741
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: We've met all of our corporations to make sure they

742
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: do not execute dissidence. That's good. That's good. This is

743
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: why we're not running cocacola ads, not stockpiling weapons. Sophia

744
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: were running cococola ads. No, fantastic. That's the only problematic company. Yeah,

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00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: the only thing that's your ad break thought it was good,

746
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: was terrible. You're gonna start doing your God damn it.

747
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: I hate that's so much because not my fault. I

748
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: wasn't going to make any sound effects today, but I

749
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Speaker 1: was asked. You were asked, and then you made the

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Speaker 1: wrong one. You did like a cockroach eating something. It

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00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: sounded like cockroach eating pussy. It sounded like Tom Green's

752
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: playing with a dildo. There we go, Yeah, a cockroach

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00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: eating pussy. Together everything so down, down do what's Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, those I bought all of them. I bought

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00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: all the ads you did. Yeah, but I've also paid

756
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: for the products in the ads. You are now the

757
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: proud ender of a Coke Industries Tar Sans refining plant. Congratulations,

758
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: thank you. This is everything I've ever wanted. I think

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00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna be bummed when you learn what tar sans are,

760
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to ruin that for you. I'm

761
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: not going to look into it. Let's talk about about

762
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: Joe Biden crane a little bit about a backstory of

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00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: what's happening? Here? Can I give the back story of

764
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden in two headlines no quotes, alright. The first

765
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: is the headline of a Washington Examiner article, Cocaine laced cigarettes,

766
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: cracking vodka binges Hunter Biden details is a drug and

767
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: alcohol abuse And the second is a Vanity Fair title

768
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden has reportedly broken up with his late brother's wife. God, well,

769
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: there is some stuff going on with Hunter Biden. He

770
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: is a character that is a character wild. He reminds

771
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: me of, um, what you imagine the son of a

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00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: politician would be like, well, I think he's just the

773
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: case example of what happens when you name someone Hunter

774
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: going to smoke, crack and funk widows. That's crazy. Well,

775
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't know about that Washington Examiner headline. No, no,

776
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's a bad newspaper, but a fun headline

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00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: and not untrue and not untrue because wait, first of all,

778
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden joined Bresma Cranian Gas company. Yes, while Biden

779
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: would still vice president, And I want to circle back

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00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: that in a second, But first I want to point

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00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: out that, Okay, the investigation into Bresma, and this whole

782
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: scandal uh started in just a month after Hunter joined

783
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: the company. So it is on its surface hard to

784
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: believe that any of the crimes or the things that

785
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: would be investigated have anything to do with Hunter, but

786
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: or that he would know how to commit that time,

787
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: because right before he joined Barisma, Hunter was discharged from

788
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: the Navy Reserve after yes testing positive for cocaine. But

789
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: what was interesting is that he had only been in

790
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: the Navy Reserve for about a year and he was

791
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: in his forties when he joined, so he had to

792
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: go get a waiver, which presumably also came through because

793
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: he's the vice president's son to join the Navy reserve, uh,

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00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: and he also had to get a waiver because of

795
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: past cocaine drug use just wild to me a little bit, Like,

796
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: I mean, sure he's got some stuff going on. It

797
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: seems like somebody that's like not finding his way in

798
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: the world, which further vice president. But see, like I

799
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: think that that's important when talking about the issue of

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00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: the vice president's son sitting on a foreign company. And

801
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier about how people don't you know,

802
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: look at past whistleblowers with the same scrutiny as like

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00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: how we're reacting now to Donald Trump. Well, yeah, actually

804
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: that is a little shady and it is worth bringing up.

805
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that it's worth Donald Trump

806
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: going through all of this dig of dirt on political

807
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: opponents and all that, and you know, he's looking for

808
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: information as to like why Victor Shogun got fired and

809
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about

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00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: right here, which I just think is important to note. Um,

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00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: all right, this isn't like, this isn't perfectly legal influence. Yeah. Yeah,

812
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: it's something you can look at and go, we shouldn't

813
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: allow that kind of things. But it's not like a

814
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: shattering scandal that like, it's not this deep insidious corruption.

815
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah, that sucks that we operate that way.

816
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: If this is this was influenced pedaling on behalf of

817
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian government, they suck at it because the Obama

818
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: administration barely gave them shit, uh, and they could have

819
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: used some ship like one thing you can actually say

820
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: in Trump's favors that at least he was willing to

821
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: sell them stuff like the javelins, which have been like

822
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: really useful in stopping Russian armor. Uh, and the Obama

823
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: administration was much more reticent to hand out weaponry. Um.

824
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: And this is maybe a war where we should have more,

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00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: But it's certainly you have a hard time making the

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Speaker 1: case that the Obama administration embraced some like super pro

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00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: Ukraine narrative when they were just kind of barely like

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Speaker 1: I guess will kind of help you not get invaded

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Speaker 1: as much as you otherwise might have, but still a

830
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Speaker 1: lot invaded. I mean, it's just a rat is trapped

831
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Speaker 1: in the corner and he's pointing at this thing this happened,

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00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: and uh, because he does it a lot too, where

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00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: he'll point something to be like this is that, this

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Speaker 1: is the real thing. This is the thing we're like,

835
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: the dangerous, bad thing we have to worry about because

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Speaker 1: he is feeling attacked and trapped. You mean that the

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00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: firing of Victor Shogun, the whole thing. Yeah, just like

838
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: he'll overblow these things to distract from the thing that

839
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: he's also projection. Yeah, there's so much. There's so much

840
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: wrapped into it, um that if you look into it

841
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: slightly like oh that's yeah. So I'm sure everybody is

842
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: aware of it, but this story is just like so

843
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: back in UH, Biden threatened Joseph Robin Biden Jr. Ukraine

844
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Speaker 1: with withholding this aid UH if they didn't fire Victor Shogun,

845
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: who was tasked with rooting out all of this corruption

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Speaker 1: in the Ukraine. The Ukraine, but sure getting there, um

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Speaker 1: and you know, Robert, you've spoken about this Ukraine is

848
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: full of corruption. This is something they do a lot

849
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Speaker 1: of times, and and and and the problem is that

850
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: they aren't actually a lot of people aren't actually interested

851
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: in getting rid of the corruption. And Victor Shogun but

852
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: by all accounts seems to be somebody that was not

853
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: doing a good you would job. You wouldn't call him

854
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: a Thomas Drake type figure, No, no aspirations to work

855
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: at the Apple store. You would call him and everyone

856
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: else in the intelligence community type figure. If we're comparing

857
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: the two. I mean, apparently he was going out of

858
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: his way not to investigate the owner of Barisma, who

859
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: was like an oligarch Nikola's Lovski I can't do if

860
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: you did the accent half, he was like straight up

861
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: refusing help and not investigating leads. Um and and so

862
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: that was the incentive for Biden to push so are

863
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: suggesting that his firing would actually possibly negatively negatively effective,

864
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: actually suggesting that because after that they hired a different

865
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: investigator who did investigate the company, and from all we know,

866
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: everything was in the clear. Especially that's Hunter Biden. You

867
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: find on one thing about Ukrainian Yeah, sure, corporations, it's

868
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: that they don't commit corrupt acts. That's why says about Ukraine.

869
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: That's the favorit thing about Ukrainian corporations, and my second

870
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: favorite thing about just corporations in general. But this is

871
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: it's interesting because Cody and I talked about this a

872
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: little bit yesterday, Like, you know, you can't compare that

873
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: with what Trump is doing withholding AID to try to

874
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: get personal information on his political opponents. You know what

875
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you have a very different set of circumstances

876
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: that there is no comparing them if you have a

877
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: goal of that's sort of embraced by the international community

878
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: of we should do something about the corruption in this country.

879
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna hold this aid, which other organizations also did.

880
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: A lot of international organizations were like, no, we're not

881
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: gonna do this money until you deal with the corruption.

882
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: That is slightly different than withholding AID that everyone agrees

883
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: should be given so that your personal grievances and political

884
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: opponents can be swept out of rubber taken. And also

885
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: my favorite thing about just the shade Throne is him

886
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: when in the call in the not a transcript transcript

887
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: of the really frustrated that just stop calling it a transcript,

888
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: just stop in the summary of the phone with a

889
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: collection of people's memory that's written as a script. For

890
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: some reason, probably that rhymes with piss monist flee um

891
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: uh nailed it um that that in that like, Trump

892
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: goes from complaining that the EU isn't spending enough, hasn't

893
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: spent enough money to help with Ukraine's defense um to

894
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: then sort of subtly threatening to not provide four hundred

895
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: million dollars in aid when the EU has added something

896
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: like sixteen billion dollars it spends on hoping like which

897
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: there's still in the an argument to be made that no,

898
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: actually you should should have spent a lot more, and

899
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: this is a European war and it's not being taken

900
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: seriously by the Member States. Very fair criticism to make.

901
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: But Trump dangling a four hundred million dollar aid package

902
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: and complaining the sixteen billion they've spent is not enough.

903
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: Is pretty rich? Um like him? Like him? He is

904
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: pretty rich, not as rich as like the four million

905
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: dollars that yeah, yeah, you got there, quicker. I I

906
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: just had a thought on Hunter Biden, a hot take

907
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: out there, which is, Joe Biden is kind of right

908
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: owned and kind of bafflingly so among liberals in the left,

909
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: pretty much all of whom were agreed that at least

910
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: the drug war shouldn't continue in its current form, even

911
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: if everyone sort of disagrees on how many substances should

912
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: be legally criminalized and forgets people's roles, And there's still

913
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: a widespread understanding for both liberals and the left that like, well,

914
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: we should stop most of this drug war thing, except

915
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden, who's very much on board with the

916
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: drug war still. Maybe he just thinks that all drug

917
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: users are like his son, little party, little real, just

918
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: fucked up, and I'll constantly make in trouble, like like

919
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: I I will go to bat for all crack users

920
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: who aren't Hunter Biden very responsible, cocaine smokable and otherwise

921
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: um not Hunter Biden. Not I do agree in drugs

922
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: being illegal. For Hunter Biden, you're looking at that, You're

923
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: looking at the situation with the father's up. Yeah, different stance.

924
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we need a new, narrower war on drugs.

925
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: Just focused on Joe Biden, Hunter Biden this campaign. Let's

926
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: get him in here and have that specific conversation and

927
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: see how it goes. D e A will have something

928
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: to do. Um, yeah, yeah, that makes sense to me.

929
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: He probably yeah, distanced himself from it somehow. He's a

930
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: he's a crusader. He's a crusader. Actually this, Um, he's

931
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: got my vote now, yeah, because well, because I want

932
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: to take care of Hunter Biden to uman end, you know,

933
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah yeah, um, And if Joe is going

934
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: to do that, then then that's your person. Un disappointed Cody. Well,

935
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: because everyone else, like all the other everyone, all these

936
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: are the candidates are being like, oh yeah, uh Warren,

937
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: drugs ain't so great. Maybe we should like take care

938
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: of this and like get all these like non violent

939
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: offenders out of prisons. Throw on. And Joe Biden is

940
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: saying that, but he's also saying but also fuck my son.

941
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: So a one issue but voter and that issue is

942
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: hating Hunter Bright solid one. Yeah yeah, it's hard to

943
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: know like how much of this to get into, just

944
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: because it's so wide ranging. One thing that I think

945
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: that's really interesting is that, um, there's a couple of

946
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: things that have happened that are still kind of like,

947
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: uh controversial. One of them is that, uh, somebody leaked

948
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: to sixty Minutes that the whistleblower um was under federal

949
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: protection in part as a result of the President's tweets

950
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: and part as a result of Jacob wall bounty on

951
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: the leaker's identity. Wall was not mentioned in the leaked uh,

952
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: but we all know a press conference today, know that.

953
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: So this is a get Like talking about this is

954
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: like going through one of those Wikipedia summaries for like

955
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: a Star Wars movie. Like every page you're like clicking

956
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: of Lincoln Togger, Like, who, uh fucking um, who is

957
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: that guy we're making fun of in the episode that

958
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: hasn't dropped yet with the weird head dangly things. Oh h,

959
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: you gotta read about kid fisto exactly. The kid fisto

960
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: of this particular thing is that earlier today Jack Berkman,

961
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: Jacob Bowl's partner, who during the press conference to try

962
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: and uh slander Robert Mueller had his fly open. Oh

963
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: my gosh, they're just they're living art. So Berkman tweeted

964
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: that there was going to be a press conference at

965
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: noon real the identity of the whistle blower, and Jacob

966
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: Wolt around the same time released through his social media

967
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: that they weren't going to go public with the whistle

968
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 1: blowers because they needed extra extra time or something like yeah, um, well,

969
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: oiled machine, you are crossing. Yeah, I'm sure they just

970
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: need more time. Oh, it's it's just it is chaos.

971
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: There's just there. There are all these things that just

972
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: keep breaking, and you're not sure exactly how it all

973
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: connects or like what's going to pan out from all

974
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: of it stuff that we do seem to be seeing happen.

975
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: I already mentioned reports that you know, Trump is pushed

976
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: the Australian Prime Minister to help William Barr gather information

977
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: coming after like, lord knows how many conversations like could

978
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: you do could you do me a crime? Yeah, but

979
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: I'll do well, do you do you do a crime?

980
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: I do crime. I feel like all of the world

981
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: leaders who talked to him on the phone now have

982
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: to have a lawyer sit again. Just to be like,

983
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to accidentally breaks that so complicated because

984
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: he also talks in such a weird way where like

985
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: you don't know if you're necessarily agreeing to do do

986
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: the crime. I mean, yeah, we've also learned that as

987
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: approached Italian and British intelligence agencies for the same thing

988
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: to Europe with Sebastian Gorka. Gorka was that Pompeo that

989
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: flew with Gorka? I don't know. He got Rudy Giuliani

990
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: flying all over the world going to Ukraine and Russia.

991
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: There's a smart and he's gonna and Mike Pompeo apparently

992
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: was on this July twenties just forgot about He just

993
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: forgot about it. Um. And he's been subpoena to appear

994
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: before three congressional committees. Um. But he's being a real

995
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: little bit about it. He's trying to avoid a civil war.

996
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: He's trying to avoid a civil war, which is inevitable

997
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: if you impeach the president, which is why he's working

998
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: with famous not civil war wanter. Sebastian carries two guns

999
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: of different calibers on a daily basis. Yeah, that's his

1000
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: full name. Yes, Trump is, um has no interest in

1001
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: a civil war? Yeah, real quick, sorry, this is it's unimportant, Um,

1002
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Obviously it's alluding to like, if you impeach me,

1003
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a civil war. Um. He's previously talked

1004
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: about the Civil War. Uh, in many, many different ways.

1005
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: He has a plaque for the what the River of Blood,

1006
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: which does not exist, the battle that didn't happen, never happened. Uh,

1007
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: it's a plaque that they got made and it's installed.

1008
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: There's still there. But at one point, you're talking about

1009
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: the Civil War and he said, and I'm gonna this

1010
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: is a direct quote from the President of United States.

1011
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: People don't realize, you know, the Civil War if you

1012
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: think about it. Why people don't ask that question? But

1013
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: why was there the Civil War? Why could that one

1014
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: not have been worked out? What? I've changed my mind

1015
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: on this, President Trump? Yeah, yeah, that sounds really strong.

1016
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: And why couldn't have worked out? You know, we could

1017
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: have worked that out. We can't work out this impeach

1018
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: a president thing. Yeah, but we could work out I

1019
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: You run into stuff like that all the time, like

1020
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: people like talking about like it's not just Trump. I

1021
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: remember as a younger man watching a History Channel documentary

1022
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: about World War Two that referred to it as like

1023
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: five years with the world lost their mind, and I

1024
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: was like, no, wait a second, Wait a second, there

1025
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: was really just a couple of people who went crazy

1026
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: and then everybody else had a lot of trouble cleaning

1027
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: it up. Like yeah, it's one of those like who's

1028
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: to say how it happened. It's like like, is that

1029
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: girl Tenant bombs quote? We all know Custer died a

1030
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: little big horn, But what I question is is what

1031
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: if he didn't? What if But what if he didn't?

1032
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I guess if you were there, you

1033
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: would have fixed it. It's just this whole like it's

1034
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: like all this like movement of like forgiving the civil

1035
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: warfare happening and like justifying it in the wrong way

1036
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: and then being like we're going to do it again.

1037
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: Like even like tanis to Susa a fascist propagandist, I

1038
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: feel calling him that made a film called Death of

1039
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: a Nation, which is fascist propaganda. Talking democrats are even

1040
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: fringes on some copyrights. Arthur Miller had but a little bit,

1041
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: a little bit, but um like clearly a reference to

1042
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: the nation um. And it's so it's like all this

1043
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: imagery of like Trump is the new Lincoln and he's

1044
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: going to do another civil war. Like it's just this

1045
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: constant like wanting to do it the whole time. And

1046
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: you can hear it when they and how they talk

1047
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: about it, like like there's like this love and desire

1048
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: and need to like murder liberals, and like you see

1049
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: these tweets and these people like, oh, you fucking want one.

1050
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: They want it so bad, they want it so bad,

1051
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: and they want to blame the other side for wanting

1052
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: it just like own it. Say you want to kill people? Yeah,

1053
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: you're saying, well, I think we're getting there. It's been

1054
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: really to watch. I've been on the not popular side

1055
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: of of saying, okay, guys, gun control debates aside, maybe

1056
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: now is not the time to disarm uh people on

1057
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: on the left. Maybe maybe now is the time to

1058
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: consider some some training in some of these things, because

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Speaker 1: it seems like we're heading in a bad direction. And

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Speaker 1: I saw Dave Anthony of the Alup, who has been

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Speaker 1: very very much pro gun control and whatnot, recently put

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Speaker 1: out a tweet along the lines of, uh, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: time for leftists to start arming themselves. Um. And if

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Speaker 1: you're someone who's considered that and you want some reading

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Speaker 1: on the matter that's not at all propagandistic and not

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Speaker 1: at all um um sort of like filled with jingoism

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Speaker 1: and like the traditional sort of like Hollywood bullshit. There's

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Speaker 1: a great book by Scott Crowe who's an activist in

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Speaker 1: Texas I think currently called Setting Sites, which is a

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Speaker 1: bunch of essays on the history of liberatory community self defense.

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Speaker 1: Really good book. Maybe maybe look into it. Setting Sites

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Speaker 1: a s I G h T S solid book. Um, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a There's two things I wanted to still get

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Speaker 1: through on the fucking whistle blower thing. One of them

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Speaker 1: is that so we before we got on this digression

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Speaker 1: because again this is like one giant convert um sixty minutes,

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Speaker 1: was like the whistleblowers under federal protection because of all

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Speaker 1: of the threats, um, And then the whistleblowers attorney was like, no,

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Speaker 1: he's not. And then I think USA today is still

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Speaker 1: standing by the reporting. So yeah, we don't really know what.

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Speaker 1: Very confusing. Another confusing thing, well, another interesting thing. So

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Speaker 1: the Inspector General is sort of like the government watchdog.

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Speaker 1: That's like kind of overseeing a large chunk of this

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Speaker 1: because that's their job, is dealing with the whistleblower complaints.

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Speaker 1: They're not a very political position. They do not make

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Speaker 1: statements to the nation. That's really not their job as

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact. That their job is to kind

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Speaker 1: of determine whether or not the whistle blowing complaint is

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Speaker 1: like credible and then move it up to chain and like.

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Speaker 1: But they're not famous for their addressing of the world press. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The President and several of his allies started to claim

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Speaker 1: that the whistleblower complaint was not credible because it was

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Speaker 1: entirely based on hearsay and based on just things he'd

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01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: heard from other people rather than anything he had witnessed.

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Speaker 1: In The Inspector General's office made a public statement saying

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Speaker 1: that is not true. The whistleblower at least a significant

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Speaker 1: of what some of what the whistle blower was saying

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Speaker 1: was based on things the whistle blower witness um. So

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Speaker 1: in but yeah, it's not just like he also talked

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Speaker 1: to people, but like some of this he witnessed yes, yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: which means default it's based on more than just the

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Speaker 1: conversation that the not a transcript. Transcript was released on

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Speaker 1: because it means that because he definitely was not the whistlebler,

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Speaker 1: was not present for that other ship. Yeah, there's just

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01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: there's more stuff that you be coming, and it's gonna

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01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: be coming on the pipe really fast when it starts

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01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: to come, like there's just going to be so much.

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01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: It's changing more and more, and like when it comes,

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Speaker 1: Adam shifts gonna get hung when it so just so

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Speaker 1: showed me. A headline of Pompeo accuses Democrats of impeachment bullying,

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Speaker 1: and I rou hey be best best. I never thought

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Speaker 1: about the best best God. This is good advice from

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Speaker 1: my beautiful wife, Milannia, who couldn't make it here today.

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Speaker 1: Actually she's standing right next to you. Oh, my beautiful

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01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: wife's right here. Just a little trip down memory lane?

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Speaker 1: Was that? Are we sure that that moment wasn't was

1117
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: the president fucking up and not the president actually just

1118
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Speaker 1: being a huge talking hits fan Because you may say

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Speaker 1: to yourself, this is not my where's those big suits?

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Speaker 1: Or and he does let the days go by? It's

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01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: not an animal's an for a home? You guys, Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: you know what's better than following politics? Listening to the

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Speaker 1: talking Heads, great music. Oh my god, do you guys

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Speaker 1: want to end it by saying that talking ship about

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Speaker 1: how honest says he's gonna have the best podcast ever? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's do that. I think there's a couple of things

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01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: we've got to break down on the Rudy Jewel. Uh.

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Speaker 1: One of them is him shouting at a reporter who

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Speaker 1: was interviewing him, the whistleblower is not going to be

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Speaker 1: the hero. I'm going I'm the hero, which is a like. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I have to think that when Donald Trump read that,

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Speaker 1: even the President would have been like, dude, Rudy, come

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Speaker 1: on like you You don't think he thought like, how

1134
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Speaker 1: dare you? I'm going to be the hero, the biggest buffoon,

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Speaker 1: and look what's happened to his life? America's what's happened

1136
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Speaker 1: to him? It's it's pathetic. It's it's it's beautiful. It's

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Speaker 1: a real, beautifully pathetic. He's my beautiful man. It's a

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Speaker 1: real case for enforced term limits. It's the same thing

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Speaker 1: with like Joe Biden. If Joe Biden obviously did a

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Speaker 1: lot of bad stuff before he was VP, but if

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01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: he just ended his political career, there nobody would be

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Speaker 1: making fun of him for anything. We would every now

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01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: and then there'd be a picture of him and Barack

1144
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Speaker 1: Obama holding hands at a ball game and be like, ah, nice,

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01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: and then we could continue being worried about things that

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Speaker 1: matter protein strings through hand holding. If Rudy Giuliani after

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Speaker 1: eleven had just been like, well, I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: be America's mayor forever and live in a house in

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Speaker 1: the Atta Rondex, I wouldn't have any issue. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: say anything about Ruddy Julie. Nobody would care anymore. We'd

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01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: have moved on. Whatever problematic things he had done in

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01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: his past and as mayor would have been forgotten and

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01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: we could we could just focus on the other problems.

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Speaker 1: But instead it's Rudy Giuliani Cigar Club podcast. It's him.

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Speaker 1: There's so many people surrounding the president now who are

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Speaker 1: in that category of like, how did you come back?

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Speaker 1: Why do you come back? It's because power is addictive.

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01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: In being those positions is addictive, and even if you

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Speaker 1: know it's going, like, even if you look into getting

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01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: like undeservedly in Giuliani's case, a great reputation, because you

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Speaker 1: you don't like ship your pants when eleven happens that

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Speaker 1: anyone asked a couple of days later, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah, even when like, if you're that guy, you

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01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: would rather go back and work with a historically corrupted,

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01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: unpopular regime than not be powerful, to not have that

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Speaker 1: attentions of taste. It's a drug. M'll get your bowl full.

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Speaker 1: As Jake Tapper would say, God, let's not get into that.

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Speaker 1: We're well over an hour here now. Talked about the

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Speaker 1: West the other day. Oh, we are getting into it.

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's all frustrating, but I think we should

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Speaker 1: in this episode by acknowledging that our friend Rudy Giuliani

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Speaker 1: was overheard at a cigar club in New York recently

1173
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: talking about the new podcast. How many minutes do you

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Speaker 1: think he'll get into the first episode before he legally

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01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: reveals confidential, Not that it's going to be, it's just

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01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: him reading redacted parts of the it's not capable of

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Speaker 1: doing this without stepping and all sorts of breaks. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to my crime, My Crimes by Rudy Giuliani.

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Speaker 1: I do want to congratulate our producer Sophie Lichter forgetting

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Speaker 1: the root of Giuliani job. You're gonna do a great job,

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Speaker 1: so if you were very smells as much like onions

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01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: as I assume he does. It's like onions and like

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01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: menthal like I would say, baby farts. Yeah. Oddly enough,

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01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't smell like cigars, which would really be in imprement.

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01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: Smells like he smells like Cody's Uh. He smells like

1186
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: the sound Cody makes when he's trying to make the

1187
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: sound of time, the famous time Have you not seen

1188
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: any time travel movie? Apparently not. I'm not in Primer.

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: Can I send to before Cody started doing that? Just

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Speaker 1: rewind the episode and started again from the beginning, and

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01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: that will erase this from Primer stops. You can check

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Speaker 1: us out on the internet on Twitter, at Worst your Pod,

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01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: on Instagram Worst your Pod. Sooner or later we'll have

1194
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: a website not yet. Also merch stores Rudy if you

1195
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: want to. If you want to be a guest on

1196
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: the show, hit us up at Worst your Pod. We

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01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: have a seat for you and I will smoke a

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Speaker 1: cigar with you. I love cigars actually, and I love

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Speaker 1: baby fart, so works love. He's my He's my beautiful man.

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Speaker 1: Oh Cody loves Rudy. That was weird. Cody didn't blink

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01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: dark terms, it's deep. It's deep love. Cody never blows

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Speaker 1: when he's talking about lust, and neither should you. That's

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Worst Year Ever is a production of I

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