1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. I don't know if you've heard, but we 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: have a book coming out finally, finally, after all these years. 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: It's great, it's fun. You're gonna love it. It's called 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Stuff You Should Know Colon, an incomplete compendium of mostly 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: interesting things. Ye, and it's twenty six jam packed chapters 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: that we wrote with another guy named Nils Parker, who's 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: amazing and is illustrated amazingly by our illustrator Carl Manardo. 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: And it's just an all around joy to pick up 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: and read. Even though we haven't physically held in our 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: hands yet, it's like we have Chuck in our dreams 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: so far. I can't wait to actually see and hold 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: this thing and smell it. And so should you, so 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: pre order now. It means a lot to us. The 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: support is a very big deal, So pre order anywhere 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: books are sold. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles Chizy, 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, and this is Stuff You Should Know. Um, yeah, 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: that's all I gotta say. I think this is super interesting, 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: this anti diet movement episode MM hmm, I do too. 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: I'd heard a little bit about it. Every once in 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: a while, we'll say something and one of our listeners 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: will write in and be like, Hey, you guys shouldn't 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: be saying that, or you guys shouldn't be talking about, 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, trying to lose weight or something, because it 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: shames other people indirectly, Like you should check out the 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: anti dieting movement. So all of you people who have 28 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: ever written in with the suggestion for that, this one's 29 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: for you, because I believe all of you are the 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: ones who who brought that to my awareness. Yeah. So 31 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: the anti diet movement is a response to, Um, there's 32 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: a lot of pieces to it, and we're gonna we're 33 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: gonna go over all of them. But it's a response 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: to diet culture in the world old especially in the 35 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: United States, and a response that basically says, we don't 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: think diet culture is healthy. Uh, literally healthy for your 37 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: physical health and also not healthy for your mental health 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: and for the well being of an individual. Uh, we 39 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: don't think diets work. We think we have proof and 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: studies that show diets don't work, and we think that 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: there's a better way, which is to accept food as 42 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: something that is to be enjoyed and accept your body. 43 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: And there's a lot more to it than that, but 44 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: that's sort of the broadest stroke in society goes what 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: I tell you, man, it's when you look at how 46 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: we are, you know, I don't want to maybe brainwashed 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: is too strong of a word, but how humans and 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: Americans are brainwashed into thinking there is only one way 49 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: right to live um and only one way to of 50 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: that way right. It's pretty interesting and hard to undo. 51 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: And there's and we're all of us, every single one 52 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: of us in America, and I would guess and most 53 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: of the West as well, are subjects to kind of 54 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: this two pronged attack about weight. One is the idea 55 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: that you just don't look as good when you're overweight, 56 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: and then to the idea that you're not as healthy 57 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: when you're overweight. And this anti dieting movement rejects both 58 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: of those. They they so their whole thing is. And 59 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: it's really it's worth kind of restating here because it's 60 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: tough to wrap your head around because of the way 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: that we've all been brought up for so long that 62 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: the anti dieting movement isn't like no, no, no. All 63 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: you have to do is cut meat out and you're fine. 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: You can do everything else. There's nothing like that. It's 65 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 1: not only not only don't diet, it's throw away. You're 66 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: dieting books, stop following dieting blogs, reject the standard of 67 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: beauty at like the the small kind of vaguely underweight 68 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: um standard that we have in the West. Um. And 69 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: stop listening to people, including your own inner voice. That's 70 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: that that makes you feel ashamed when you crave or 71 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: eat certain foods. That all foods are on the table. 72 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: There's no such thing as bad foods. And you can 73 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: just stop thinking about weight and food. Those two things 74 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: can be decoupled for the rest of your life. You're free, 75 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: basically is whether say you're free, Go fly, little bird, 76 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: go live your life, stop thinking about being overweight. Yeah, 77 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: And it all comes down and this might it's just 78 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: some people may just think this is the craziest thing 79 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: they've ever heard in their life. Um. But what they're 80 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: saying is is something called that you should embrace, something 81 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: called intuitive eating. And this came around and the sometime 82 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: in the nineties there was a book written by Evelyn 83 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: Tree Bowl and uh At Lease resh called intuitive eating 84 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: colon a revolutionary program that works. And this is and 85 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: this was basically the idea that we've been looking at. 86 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: This cycle happened for years of restricting your food, getting 87 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: on a diet, losing weight, gaining it back, sometimes gaining 88 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: back even more weight, doing this over and over and over. 89 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: It's not working. It's not good for people, it's not effective. Uh, 90 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 1: it doesn't make you healthier to go through this weight 91 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: loss and weight gain cycle. And you need to stop 92 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: listening to these external controls, whether it's the media or 93 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: your parents, or your spouse or partner or yourself. And 94 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: you need to start listening to your body and eating 95 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: what your body says to eat. And here's the important part, 96 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: stop eating when your body says it's full, right, And 97 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: so they kind of put all these things. So intuitive 98 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: eating is kind of the central focus of anti dieting, 99 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: but it's not one and the same. Anti dieting is 100 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: a larger umbrella movement is the best word for it. 101 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: That includes anti or intuitive eating, but it also includes 102 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: a kind of a militant opposition to um fat shaming 103 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: of any sort of any kind, and also kind of 104 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 1: believes not even kind of overtly believes that any weight 105 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: loss goal is negative, that it's it comes from that 106 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: being brainwashed culturally. So we'll talk more about that anti 107 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: dieting movement in general, but like we should really explain 108 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: the intense principles of intuitive eating that UM that triple 109 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: and Rush put together, and we should say it one 110 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: other thing too, This is not a diet So so 111 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: when you're hearing these things, don't think and then you 112 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: do this and you lose weight. Now that's out the window. 113 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with this. This is about 114 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: your relationship to food. And then number two, these people 115 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: are no slouches. UM Trible and Rush are both registered dietitians, 116 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: which are UM certified regulated UM professionals who know what 117 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: they're talking about with with nutrition and intuitive eating is 118 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: widely almost universally embraced by dietitians and nutritionists as well. 119 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: So you just kind of keep that mindset when you're 120 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: hearing these ten principles of intuitive eating. Yeah, and before 121 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: we actually listen to ten, it's worth pointing out that 122 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: part of intuitive eating is UH. Part of the foundation 123 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: is the fact that they say, hey, listen, look at 124 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: your kids when you're born and your little baby, and 125 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: you don't know anything. You're just a dumb baby, and 126 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: you grow up to be a dumb little toddler. Your 127 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: body tells you when you're hungry, and you eat, and 128 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: your body tells you when you're full, and you stop eating. 129 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: And I see that with my five year old. I'm 130 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: not hungry anymore, all right, stop eating. And it's that easy. 131 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: And the argument for intuitive eating is that, uh, and 132 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, partially the anti diet movement is somewhere along 133 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: the way, we lose that as adults or as you know, 134 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: teenagers even because of this onslaught from the media and 135 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: from everybody talking about your weight, your weight, your weight, 136 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: and your health and you've got to be skinny, and 137 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: we lose these we literally lose these biological triggers that 138 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: say when you're hungry, stop when you're full. Those just 139 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: go away. And the idea is to kind of retrain 140 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: your mind and body to get back to that state 141 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: you were when you were a dumb baby, right, Yeah, 142 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: because I don't even know if it goes away. We're 143 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: just trained by diet culture to ignore them. It goes away. Yeah, 144 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: I know, I don't know if I agree with that. One, 145 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: but I but the but the key is is that 146 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: that it's being one way or another. We don't have 147 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: that intuitively anymore because diet culture is come in and 148 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: replace that with no pay attention to the calories or 149 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: ignore the fact that you're hungry because you're you're limiting 150 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: portion size and they're saying, ignore that bad advice. Right, 151 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: So here are the principles, the ten principles. The first 152 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: one is we already kind of covered it to reject 153 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: the diet mentality. Basically, it's just saying that you know, 154 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: these these diets, um don't deliver lasting results, and you've 155 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: got to remind yourself of that, right. Um. There's also 156 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: the next one is honor your hunger. It's so sweet 157 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: they have honor and here a couple of times, but 158 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: they're basically saying that when you are hungry, you should eat, 159 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: and you should pay attention to not only um, what 160 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: your bodies like the fact that your body is telling 161 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: you're hungry, so so go ahead and eat, but um, 162 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: what your body is asking for too. Now your body, 163 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: it's important to say, is what they're saying to honor 164 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: not you're sad, so go eat the ice cream, right, 165 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: which comes later. That comes later. Yeah, what else, Chuck, 166 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: there's make peace with food. Yeah, that is basically unconditional 167 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: permission to eat um. You know, we're tempted by the 168 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: twinkies and the ice cream and stuff like that. And 169 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: they're saying, give yourself that permission, because that's sort of 170 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: one of the keys is once you rewire your brain, 171 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: you're not gonna want the twinkie for lunch because it 172 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: doesn't have that allure and it's probably not gonna make 173 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: you feel great physically. And maybe you need to do 174 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: that a couple of times to realize, you, boy, I 175 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: don't feel so hot after eating ice cream for lunch 176 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: and only ice cream for lunch exactly. Yeah. So so 177 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: there's they're saying, just like there's there's if you if 178 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: you are on the couch and you're like, uh, those 179 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: oreo sound good? Should I should not? They're saying, get 180 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: rid of this. Should I should not? If you feel 181 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: hungry and those oreo sound good, you just get up 182 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: and you eat the oreos without a second thought. That's 183 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: the point of making peace with food, giving yourself permission 184 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: to live like that, That's right. The next one, number 185 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: four is challenged the food police, which can be everything 186 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: from your friends and family or partners to your own 187 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: and I think many times your own inner voice probably 188 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: more than any anything, that inner voice UM. And one 189 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: of the things that the food police too, is um, 190 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: they can come about in ways that are much less 191 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: direct than than calling them the food police. Sounds like 192 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: food police, sounds like somebody who's going to tell you 193 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: to put down that twinkie because you, you know, a 194 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: moment on the lips of a lifetime on the hips. 195 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: People who say stuff like that to other people, that's 196 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: definitely food police kind of stuff. But that that same 197 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: kind of guilt or shame or reinforcement of feeling guilty 198 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: or ashamed about food can come from people who are 199 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: talking about their own dislike for their body or their weight, 200 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: because um, it makes you kind of sympathetically trigger and 201 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: examine your own, especially if that person is maybe um, 202 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: weighs less than you do, because if they're worried about 203 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: their weight, well geez, that means you should really be 204 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: worried about your weight. Or they're worried about eating that 205 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: the grilled chicken on their Caesar salad and you're tucking 206 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: into a chili dog, should you really be eating this? 207 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: So the food police in this sense can kind of 208 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: come from a number of different directions. Defund the food police. 209 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: Ye uh. The next one is respect your fullness. And 210 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: this is a big part of it because they're saying 211 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: eat when you're hungry, but they're not saying eat till 212 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: you feel sick. They're saying you need to listen to 213 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: your body at all times when it's hungry, feed it 214 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: and then maybe eat a little slower, maybe pause during 215 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: that snack or during that meal and say, all right, body, 216 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: all am I hungry now? Or my board or stressed out? 217 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: And is that why I'm continuing to eat? Like check 218 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: in with yourself in the middle of a meal to see, body, 219 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: do you need fuel right now? Or you know it's 220 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: some and going on at work and this twinkie makes 221 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: it a whole lot better. And so that kind of 222 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: um reveals like one of the big principles of intuitive eating, 223 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: which is mindfulness, Like you're not supposed to just kind 224 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: of zone out and watch you know, TV while you're 225 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: eating ice cream, because then you look down and you 226 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: eating way more ice cream than you've even realized, which 227 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: means that you didn't even enjoy that ice cream. You 228 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: want to be more mindful when you're eating, in part, 229 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: not just to monitor how much you're eating, but to 230 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: enjoy it more. That's part of the whole thing as well. 231 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: And then for the next one on the list, in fact, 232 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: this satisfaction. Okay, hold on, I've got one more thing 233 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: about respecting your fullness. So there's this confusion teaching that 234 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: the Japanese called hara hatchi boo, which means belli is 235 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: eight percent full. And the kind of rule of thumb 236 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: among Japanese people is that you eat until you feel 237 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: about full, because then your food kind of expands in 238 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: your stomach and by the time um, you're done eating 239 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: eventually becomes a hundred percent full. So you don't you 240 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: don't overeat until you feel sick. And it's actually extremely satisfying. 241 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: It just takes again that level of mindfulness that uh, 242 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: and that number six was satisfaction, which is, you know, 243 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: enjoy your food, Assess that taste in the texture, and 244 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: how does that feel in your stomach? Is it a 245 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: gut bomb or does it feel good? Right? And I 246 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: think also chuck, if you if you stop and think 247 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: about a lot of the ultra processed foods that people 248 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: have in America, you will find it doesn't make you 249 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: feel very good. So I think the authors are aware 250 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: that part of that mindfulness is going to lead you 251 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: to a different some different kinds of foods than the 252 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: ones that that people traditionally think of that they're just 253 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: gonna eat when food when they don't feel guilty about 254 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: eating food, you know, right, like they sit back and 255 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, no, go ahead and uh down 256 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: on the ice cream. And then they sit back and 257 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: go watch this, right, I don't know about be happy 258 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: for a few minutes, and then they're going to be like, oh, 259 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: I gotta stomach cakee. I think ice cream is exempted 260 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: from that. I keep talking about ice cream ice cream 261 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: in the world. Let's I'll leave ice cream alone. But 262 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's there's been plenty of stuff 263 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: that I've eaten where I realized later that it's not 264 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: actually good, it doesn't actually taste good, it's not actually satisfying. 265 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: It actually makes me feel kind of bad. And then 266 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: the icing on the cake of of I love icing 267 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: on cake. Disappointment. Yeah, icing and ice cream are exempted, 268 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: but the icing on this cake of of um. Just 269 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: feeling kind of duped is that I probably saw an 270 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: ad for that food within the last couple of days, 271 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: and the ad worked its mojo on my head. And 272 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: that's why I ate it, not because I like it, 273 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: but because the ad got me. And then the food 274 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: itself is designed to hijack your limbic system, so I 275 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: ate more and more and more. But when I stopped 276 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: and really thought about how it made me feel, it 277 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: didn't feel good about it. I didn't like that food 278 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: and I've actually given up Popeye's chicken as a result. 279 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: Very good. Yeah, honoring your feelings is the next one. 280 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:15,239 Speaker 1: Without food. Um, you know, check in with yourself emotionally, 281 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: how are you? Are you anxious? You lonely? Are you 282 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: stressed out? You mad? Like? What are your food triggers 283 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: and why are they there? And try and resolve some 284 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: of those those issues without using the food. That's a big, 285 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: big part of it. I think that is the part 286 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,119 Speaker 1: of it, dude. I think most people who are overweight 287 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: are overweight because they eat emotionally. Maybe I'm maybe it's 288 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: over confirmation by some huge stress eater huge um, And 289 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: I guess it's possible I could just be presuming most 290 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: people are like that, But I suspect that that is 291 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: the key to all of it. Is if you can 292 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: figure out that food is in addiction to you, um, 293 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: and that you're using it as an emotional crutch, that 294 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: that will make you identify what you're actually trying to 295 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: deal with or cover up or run from or make 296 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: your make make yourself feel better against using food, and 297 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: that is the key to decoupling it. And when you 298 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: can do that, you can do all this other stuff, 299 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: I would guess is just kind of like a cascade 300 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: of easiness from that point on. I think that's probably 301 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: the hardest part. UH. Number eight is respecting your body. 302 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: And this is the idea that you know, you want 303 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: to love your body and accept your body and feel 304 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: good about what what they call your genetic blueprint and 305 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: the body that you have and maybe were meant to have, 306 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: and having a realistic expectation about what you can and 307 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: should look like. That's a big, big part of it. UM. 308 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: The ninth one really kind of stands out to me 309 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: to Chuck is that um, exercise There they're saying, like exercise, 310 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: but the thing to know about exercises, you don't exercise 311 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: for weight loss. That's not what exercises for. It's actually 312 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: not that great for weight loss. It's good for improving 313 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: your mood and making you feel better. And it can 314 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: help with number eight. With you just respecting your body. 315 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: You can just feel good about your body without even 316 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: really losing any weight, just from from exercising from time 317 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: to time. And they don't even say you necessarily need 318 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: to exercise, they're just saying move more. Don't be sentary. 319 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: Just a big one. But but that was a big 320 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: life changing thing for me too, is learning that exercise 321 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: is not about weight loss, it's about boosting your mood 322 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: and sense of well being. It feels good, it does, 323 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: it feels really good, but if you do it to 324 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: try to lose weight, it's very frustrating and counterproductive and 325 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: you'll eventually give up exercise probably. Uh. And then the 326 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: last one honor your health with gentle nutrition. Uh. And 327 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: this is the idea that you're making food choices um 328 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: that you you like the taste of, but also honored 329 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: the health aspect um. Sure, you might want to have 330 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: some cookies and chips from time to time, but focusing 331 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: on those, you know, nonprocessed foods that that also do 332 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: taste good. That's sort of the route that they suggest 333 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: you go right. So, so that's and that's intuitive eating. 334 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: Although if you if you go back to number um 335 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: uh three, technically number ten could be canceled out. Like 336 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: if you're just like, no, I really hate asparagus, I 337 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: hate vegetables, I love oreos. I'm just gonna eat oreos. 338 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, that's fine, as long as you're not 339 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: feeling guilt about as long as you love your body, 340 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: as long as you know you're listening to yourself and 341 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: and the cues your body is telling you whatever, that's 342 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: that's just part of it. It's it's go to town. 343 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: Just love food and love yourself is kind of the message, 344 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: which is a pretty pretty good message that I think 345 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people want to hear. You want to 346 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: take a break and then talk about the idea that 347 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: this is rooted in science. Yeah, okay, we're gonna do that. 348 00:19:54,920 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: Eventually everybody will be right back. Stuck stuck, Stuck. I 349 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: don't know that you know it's stuck in this Stuck. 350 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: It's a great name. That's the name of it. It's 351 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: a great name. Alright, stuck snet with with an X. Alright, 352 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: so intuitive eating this has been you know, sort of 353 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: a new way of thinking. Um, that's come about over 354 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: the last like probably ten or fifteen years, maybe a 355 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: little bit more, but it seems like it's really gainsteam 356 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: in the last ten or fifteen. And the idea is 357 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: that they're all these budd buzzwords that we are sort 358 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: of ingrained in its dieting, losing weight, getting healthy. They've 359 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: changed that to or changing from diet to things like 360 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: getting healthy or or it's a lifestyle change. Uh, and 361 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: they're trying to avoid some of those earlier buzzwords. But 362 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: if you're an anti diet proponent, you're saying, know what, 363 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: this is all the same stuff, just because you call 364 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: it a lifestyle now and you're talking about getting healthy 365 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: rather than losing weight or going on a diet. It's 366 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: the same size, it's just in different clothing. Yeah, it's 367 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: it's here's the standard and everyone needs to reach it 368 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: no matter what. And that really flies in the face 369 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: of this idea that that seems to be one of 370 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: the tenets of intuitive eating and definitely of the anti 371 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: diet movement, which is that every person has their own 372 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: different basically genetic weight set point and that that is 373 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: what your body is going to stay at uh no 374 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: matter what. UM. And if if you try to contravene 375 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: that set point, you might be successful for a little bit, 376 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: but probably the vast majority of people are going to 377 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: suffer relapse, I guess, and they'll gain that weight back 378 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: over time. Give them enough time, they'll gain that weight back, 379 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: and then the problem is they might even gain even more. 380 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: And so there are some diets out there that have 381 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: been demonstrably shown to work, like weight Watchers now called WW, 382 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: like Jenny Craig now called Jenny Craig still, although I 383 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: didn't know it's Australian, so I guess it should be 384 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: Genie Craig. How was that that was great? I don't 385 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: think it was great. I thought all of a sudden 386 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: I was talking to Russell Crowe, right. So um, those 387 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: have been shown to work. The problem is this that 388 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: you are signing up for a lifetime of paying attention 389 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: to what you eat, like that's how it works. Like 390 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: it'll work, but you have to keep it up for 391 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: literally the rest of your life if you want to 392 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: keep that weight off. So um, and then other diets 393 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: just don't work at all, or they will work temporarily, 394 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: but then you just go right back and then you 395 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: gain some weight. And they seem to have figured out, 396 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: at least according to intuitive eating dietitians and anti dieting 397 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: movement proponents, that there there seems to be some biological 398 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: response by the body to diet and it's almost this 399 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: comedy of errors that just makes everything even worse when 400 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: you try to diet. Yeah, I mean the idea is, 401 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, if with any diet pretty much you're restricting 402 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: food in some way, whether it's a kind of food 403 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: or the amount of food, there is almost always going 404 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: to be some amount of hunger involved. Even though they 405 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: all say, like, with this diet, you'll never be hungry again. 406 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: They all say that, but that's sort of the idea 407 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: with any diet is you're restricting yourself. And anti diet 408 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: proponents say, you know what, when that happens, your body 409 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: is wired to want to eat and survive and when 410 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: you're consuming less food energy, Uh, that's going to create 411 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: that energy deficit and that's when you're gonna be burning 412 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: those fat stores and that is how you lose weight. 413 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: But your body is also going to trigger a biological 414 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: starvation response. That is going to mean you're gonna fail eventually, 415 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: because your body is saying, I got to eat. I 416 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: think I'm I think I'm lost in the middle of 417 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: the woods all of a sudden, and go eat. You're hungry. 418 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: You're hungry. Yeah, you're more hungry than you would have been. Right, 419 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: So this can very, very easily lead to binge eating 420 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: because you're not just hungry, you're you're angry at this point, 421 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: and so when you finally do give in and start 422 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: to eat, you're gonna eat more than you would have 423 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: if you were just plain hungry. Right, that's a huge 424 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: problem with it. But it seems to be even more 425 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: um more nuanced than that, and that the body seems 426 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: to to enter um basically a kind of starvation mode 427 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: where once it does manage to get you out of 428 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: that um or starvation response, where it does get you 429 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: out of that diet and back into eating. Um, what 430 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: what you've just done is scare your brain, it seems like, 431 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: so where your brain says, well, I didn't realize that 432 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: food scarcity was going to be an issue in our lifetime, 433 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: So now that I realize it is, I'm going to 434 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: take that set point of adipocity, which is the amount 435 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: of fat you would generally store on yourself. I'm gonna 436 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: inch it up a little higher so that that my 437 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: person can store more fat, because we need to make 438 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: sure that if this ever happens again, we have plenty 439 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: of energy stores. So when you come out of dieting, 440 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: you can actually gain more weight than you had that 441 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: before because of that, because of that adipocity set point 442 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: being increased, and then as a result, as a response, 443 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: you end up dieting again. Your braid says, that happened again, 444 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: so your adipocity set point might be set even higher, 445 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: and so you'll gain even more weight back. And it's 446 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: a phenomenon that we're just starting to understand that I 447 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: can't tell if it's just theoretical or an interpretation of evidence, 448 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: but a term I've seen for it is called diet 449 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: induced obesity. And it's just fascinating to think that dieting 450 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: can actually make you heavier then you would have been 451 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: if you hadn't diet it at all. Yeah, I mean, 452 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: here's a thing I don't think we mentioned yet. When 453 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: your body goes into that iological response that says, oh boy, 454 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: you gotta eat now. It's also saying you gotta eat 455 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: something that's really high in calories. It's like, don't reach 456 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 1: for the triscuit, friend, you need that pimento cheese on 457 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: white bread, which yeah, yeah, palmetto cheese. You ever had 458 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: that stuff? I've got some of my fridge right now. Buddy, man, 459 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: that's the best. It's hard to go back to anything else, 460 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: to be honest, I didn't even know there was anything 461 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: else anymore, although there was. There's a listener who makes 462 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: some Queen Charlotte pimento cheese out of Charlotte, North Carolina. 463 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: It's Queen Charlotte. Um, it's extremely good. Yes, it's like 464 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: high end pimento cheese, but it's it's not like snooty 465 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: pimento cheese is like really really good pimento cheese. Do 466 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: you do you get the palmetto? Do you get the 467 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: palepeno or bacon or just the plane just the halap Okay? Yeah, no, 468 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: I've not had the bacon. I'm trying not to eat pig, 469 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: not for any any health reasons, but just because they're 470 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: supposed to be really smart. Yeah, I mean I don't 471 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: get the bacon because Emily doesn't eat it, and I don't. 472 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: I just get the plane. I don't get the helpine either, 473 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: because I don't look super hot things although and it's 474 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: not that hot. It's um, it's becoming really apparent that 475 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: Emily and I are basically one and the same person. 476 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: I have drawn up divorce papers for that reason. That's 477 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: it from her me. We can't get divorced. Okay, all right, kay? 478 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: So um we what were we talking about? Oh? Yeah, yeah, 479 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: So your body wants, even like high high calorie foods 480 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: to pack that weight back on, and it's going to 481 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: pack on more than last time because you've scared it 482 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: into thinking that it's going to possibly run into food 483 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: scarcity again. So that's what you're doing, is you're basically 484 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: forcing your body into a starvation mode to lose weight. 485 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: But your body responds by saying, like, I'm two steps 486 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: ahead of you. You're not going to win this game. 487 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: And then you're eventually going to keep gaining more and 488 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: more weight back and dieting more and more. And and 489 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: here's the other big part of it, too, Chuck, is 490 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: that you're going to end up on this disappointing treadmill 491 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: where you've wasted all this time and energy and emotion 492 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: into something that's just going to frustrate you. In the 493 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: anti dieting people just say stop well, which could trigger 494 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: what leads you to eat to begin with, which is 495 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: stress and anxiety about your weight. Uh. And then there 496 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: are people like Christie Harrison author. She's a podcaster of 497 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: Food Pyke and author of anti diet colon Reclaim Your Time, Money, 498 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: well Being and Happiness through Intuitive Eating. She's also a 499 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: registered dietitian, so she knows what she's talking about too. Yeah, 500 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: so she says, you know what this um, your nutrition, 501 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: your physical activity, smoking, alcohol, uh, any kind of behavioral 502 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: health determine it is just about thirty of your overall 503 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: health anyway. And you know people hang everything on this 504 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: like that, like an ideal wheat and ideal weight means 505 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm healthy. Uh. And and of course we think people 506 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: should quit smoking. I'm not saying go out and smoke anyway. 507 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: But there are people that say, all of this stuff 508 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: combined is only about of your health. And I'm sure 509 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: your genetics have a lot to do with it. Um, 510 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: somebody may uh, somebody's anxiety and stress level maybe so 511 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: high that they have, you know, a steel cable running 512 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: through their body at all times. And they may be thin, 513 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: but they may drop dead from that heart attack in 514 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: their forties because they're not addressing other factors in their 515 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: life other than food. Right. Um, And that's it's kind 516 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: of rich too for the diet culture to be like, well, 517 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: what about health? What about health? Because diet there's some 518 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 1: pretty unhealthy diets out there. Um. I ran across a 519 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: few that have come and gone over the years, and 520 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 1: then sometimes I revived. Have you heard of the sleeping 521 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: beauty diet? What's that? You take a nap every time 522 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: you're hungry, You take sleeping pills at night so you 523 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: sleep longer so you're not awake to eat. Don't forget 524 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: dealer meal, which wasn't necessarily bad, but it was definitely 525 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: calorie rest Richard Simmons very colorful, cute little cards or something. Yeah, 526 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: the grapefruit diet, the cabbage soup diet, which severely and 527 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: the cabbage soup. I didn't realize this dates back to 528 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: the fifties and it works. The thing is it's calorie restrictive, 529 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: so you're entering that that's that's that starvation response, and 530 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: it'll work if at first, Um, it's just you you 531 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: eat more when you finally get to eat again. Um. 532 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: And then there's this one is I just can't believe this. 533 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: This is a real thing, chuck, the feeding tube diet. 534 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: I didn't even want to look that up. I did, 535 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: and it's exactly what you think a doctor, a doctor UM, 536 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: like I guess, a doctor nick type um fits you 537 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: with the naso gastric tube that delivers about eight hundred 538 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: calories of nutrients directly to your stomach and um. Under 539 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: the severe calorie restriction, you will shed the weight, but 540 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: again you're going to gain it all back and then 541 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: some probably when you start eating again, so that that's 542 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: still going on. Yes, So the idea that you that 543 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: that not dieting is unhealthy is awfully rich coming from 544 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: people who undertake some of these extraordinarily dangerous diets, like 545 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: you can get a kidney infection from that feeding tube diet. 546 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: Like a lot of stuff can go wrong, But there 547 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: are some things that that do exist in the world 548 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: that you have to kind of consider, and one of 549 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: them is the obesity epidemic, which is tough to get around, 550 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: but astoundingly the anti diet movement has been like we 551 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: got this. Yeah, I mean the anti diet diet movement 552 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: says there is no public health crisis going on. Uh, 553 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: unless you're talking about the diet culture burn. Uh. They're like, 554 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: there is no obesity epidemic. If you look at the 555 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: average weight of Americans compared to the generation before, it's 556 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: about six to eleven pounds more. And maybe what this 557 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: has done if you look at the b m I scale, 558 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: which basically says there are three types of people I 559 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: guess four underweight, normal, overweight, and obese. Uh, that might 560 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: that six to eleven pounds, which amounts to ten extra 561 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: calories a day um over time, that might nudge you 562 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: into a different category, um, from overweight to obese or 563 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: from normal to overweight. But b m I and mortality 564 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: are just uh. And this is this is what they're saying, 565 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: is that that's causation. Like we've we think we have 566 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: evidence that shows that being obese and having a higher 567 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: b m I doesn't mean you're gonna die sooner, which 568 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: is that's astounding lee contrary to the common since it 569 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: seems like or at least the common perception of the 570 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: link between being overweight and being dead. Basically and apparently 571 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: the the the um the holy text of anti diet 572 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: ing UH, seems to revolve around this two thousand and 573 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: six study by the law professor named campos So I 574 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: don't know what campus is first name, but campos um 575 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: did a survey of the medical literature and tried to 576 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: find the the correlations between b m I and mortality 577 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: and and seemed to find that there actually is a correlation, 578 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,959 Speaker 1: but it's not where you think that. People who are 579 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: in the overweight range or the low range of obesity 580 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: apparently don't seem to have much more of a risk 581 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: factor than anybody who's in the normal weight range. As 582 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: far as mortality goes, you have to get into the UM, 583 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: the the the far side of obesity and then the 584 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: far side of underweight UM to get to where you're 585 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: actually at risk of dying. So that's super contrary to 586 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: UM to what most people think. UH. And again like 587 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: there's this is a two thousand and six study by 588 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: law professor to survey of the new the literature on 589 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: nutrition and weight and UM. So you can take that 590 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: as you will, but at the same time, if it 591 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: is correct, it's still to me, I don't think it 592 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: discounts everything because if people have gained six to eleven 593 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: pounds on average compared to just a generation before that, 594 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: that's not terribly much. I mean, it seems like a 595 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: lot depending on how I guess inculcated into the diet 596 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: culture you are. But it it seems like that's taking 597 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: a snapshot of something that we're still in the process of, um, 598 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: and then just saying don't worry about it because it's 599 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: just this much, not how much more is it going 600 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: to be? And is there danger or if we reach 601 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: that point, if everybody ends up like the humans in 602 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: that in Wally, you know, um. And it's kind of 603 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: akin to saying like, well, the it's just the living 604 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: room that's on fire right now, there's the whole rest 605 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: of the house is not on fire. Stop your moral 606 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: panic about house fires. It's very similar to that. So 607 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's wrong, and I'm not saying that, uh, 608 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't help the anti diet movements, um ideas. But 609 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: I think that just to say like bam, case closed 610 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: is is a little glib. You're being glib, Matt. What's 611 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: that we say that in our house a lot? That 612 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: was when Tom Cruise and Matt Lower interviewed Tom Cruise 613 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: that scientology. You're being glib Matt. That is about is 614 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise? The thing to say is anyone's ever since? 615 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: And look what happened to Matt Lower. Yeah, he got cruised. 616 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 1: Do you want to take a break. Oh my gosh, 617 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: have we not taken a second break yet? No, let's 618 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: take a break and we'll come back and talk about 619 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: The big elephant is in the room right after this 620 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: stuck stuck, stuck. I don't know that you know it 621 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: stuck and this stuck. It's a great name. That's the 622 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: name of it. It's a great name. Alright, stucks net 623 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: within with an X. So the elephant in the room 624 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: is nutrition. I think this is the glaring thing that 625 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: if you've been listening so far and and disagreed with 626 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: a lot of the anti diet movement, you're probably saying, 627 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: you can't eat just oreos just because it makes you 628 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: feel good. You gotta have nutrition. The body needs nutrition. 629 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, the body does need nutrition. But 630 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: the anti diet movement says, just unwire your brain on 631 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: um this moral judgment on food, and if you get 632 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: too intuitive eating you're what we're saying is listen to 633 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: your body. And if you eat these just oreos for lunch, 634 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: you're gonna feel like garbage later on. And if you're 635 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: listening to your body, your body is gonna tell you 636 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: that it wants nutrition, and it wants good vegetables and 637 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: it wants whole foods. And if you're really in tune 638 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: and you're really listening and you're not just uh saying, oh, well, 639 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give myself permission because I'm an anti 640 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: dieter to do whatever I want. And I may be 641 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: doubled over in pain every afternoon for eating garbage food. Uh, 642 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: that means you're not doing it right. That means you're 643 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: not listening to your body because your body will crave 644 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: nutritional health. Right, you're just being a smart alec at 645 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: that point. That's right. So UM. There there's that's kind 646 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: of like the big the big thing among registered UM 647 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 1: dietitians and nutritionists that basically says like, you know, yeah, 648 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: we're in favor of anti diet ng and we're definitely 649 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: in favor of people being body positive. Um. There's some 650 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: thing called UM Healthy at Every Size UM that was 651 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: founded by h Dr Bacon of all people any size 652 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: any size, Yes, size, health at every size, Linda Bacon 653 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: back in two thousand ten um. And so most most 654 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: dieticians and nutritions are like, of course, we're all very 655 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: much in favor of that, but like, nutrition is important, 656 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's some people out there like, yeah, 657 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: you would say that you're a nutritionist, but it is. 658 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: There's just I just think that there's no getting around 659 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: the idea that you need healthy, whole foods. I think 660 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: the problem is the anti diet movement says that sounds 661 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: awfully close to there's such things as good foods and 662 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: there's such things as bad foods, and we reject that 663 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: out right, And the nutritionists are saying, no, there really 664 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: is such things as foods that are better for you 665 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: and your body and are going to make you feel 666 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: better when you eat them then other foods. So technically 667 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: sure there is such thing as good and bad foods 668 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: of that sense, but not shame. It's just this is 669 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: going to provide more benefits for you than this. Yeah, 670 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: and you know there is a real danger too. Uh. 671 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: And the people that are I guess you would say 672 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: against the anti diet movement say like, listen, we can't 673 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: let this thing. We're all for body positivity, but we 674 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: can't let it go so far in the other direction 675 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: that your diet shaming and you're saying, you know, you 676 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't eat like you were saying you shouldn't seek out 677 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: nutritional foods, like, don't let the pendulum swing so far 678 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: in the other direction that your brainwashing people into thinking 679 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: that they can just eat garbage all the time and 680 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: be healthy. I don't get the impression that that is 681 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: super prevalent among anti diet movement. I don't think it is. 682 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: I think it's more that seems to be targeting any 683 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: kind of weight loss, and that seems to be a 684 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 1: division in the anti diet movement itself to where um, 685 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: if you if you want to lose weight, or even 686 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: if you don't say you want to lose weight, but 687 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: it's evident that you did. There's a model named Ashley 688 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: Graham who was UM a full figured UH Sports Illustrated 689 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: cover model UM a couple of years back, and she 690 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: like lost a few a few pounds but it's still 691 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: definitely plus size and full figured and proud of it UM. 692 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: But she she she faced a huge backlash as a 693 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: result of that, where people were like, I'm not a 694 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,439 Speaker 1: fan of yours anymore because you lost you lost weight, 695 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: and you've betrayed us all. So there's there's this division 696 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: between well, no, I feel better when I shed a 697 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: couple of pounds and I have no problem with with 698 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 1: wanting to shed a couple of pounds, and the other 699 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: side is like, you can't even think that way. That's 700 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 1: diet culture brainwashing you. We reject that, and we reject 701 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: you basically too. And so there's it's just the Internet 702 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: has been injected into it, which is the problem is 703 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: what it seems like, right, because people should be able 704 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: to make their own decisions on their own bodies and 705 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: how they feel the best suits them without being piled 706 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: on on the internet and on either side and I 707 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: and I get to also that people are like, well no, 708 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: that like when you talk about that stuff, it makes 709 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 1: me feel shame. It triggers my shame. But the problem 710 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: is is like you, you can't control other people. You 711 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: can only control yourself and your response to other people 712 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: and forcing other people to behave in a way that 713 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,240 Speaker 1: makes life easier for you. It's not how things work, 714 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 1: Like you have to just focus on yourself and your 715 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: own response and your own positivity so that it is 716 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 1: strong enough and robust enough that it can withstand hearing 717 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,879 Speaker 1: other people talk about how they wish they could lose 718 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: some weight and being like, huh, you know what, I 719 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: don't anymore. I'm truly body positive. I truly love my body. Um. 720 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: That would be the true body positivity that that people 721 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: are trying to achieve there, and it would solve the 722 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: problem of fighting in eating among people who agree on 723 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: almost everything else. You know, yeah, and it's you know, 724 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: it's a it's so hard wired, it's really hard to undo. 725 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: It takes a lot of work. There was a study 726 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen of intuitive eating among retired female athletes, 727 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: and they said they felt very liberated and when they 728 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, made that shift to food freedom for lack 729 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: of a better term, but they said it quote necessitated 730 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: an effortful process of recalibration, during which athletes had to 731 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: relearn and reinterpret their bodies physiological signals of hunger and satiety. So, 732 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: like I was saying earlier, how that you know, you 733 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: you lose these signals from when you were a baby 734 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: that you A lot of work has to go into 735 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: relearning those signals, um, and these are from these female 736 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: athletes of uh. And this isn't necessarily the same thing, 737 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: but there's a big movement now among former NFL players 738 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: to get their health back into shape. And there's a 739 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: long list of these men who have come out saying 740 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: the NFL like kills you, uh, the weight that you 741 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,839 Speaker 1: have to keep on, the amount of food that you 742 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: have to eat to be you know, an offense or 743 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: defensive lineman. And the before and after pictures of some 744 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: of these guys there are like six four three twenty 745 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,399 Speaker 1: on the offensive line that are now like six four 746 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: to five is unbelievable, and they're just like, I've never 747 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: felt better in my life. And I can walk around 748 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: now and I don't feel like I'm you know, carrying 749 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: a sled behind me, uh, Because the NFL is just like, no, man, 750 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta way three pounds if you want 751 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: to be on the line. Yeah. And then I think 752 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: also the opposite way is for people who are in 753 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: sports and have to be severely calorie restricted, you're basically 754 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: taught to have an eating disorder that you have to 755 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: unlearned when you stop playing sports too. So it kind 756 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: of goes both ways. I think the key here is 757 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: for everybody, for athletes, for everyday people, for people who 758 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: are overweight underweight, the the cross that all of us 759 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: are bearing, if you'll allow me to get a little 760 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: religious in my metaphors here, um, is that we all 761 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: have to stop being so obsessed with food and how 762 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,919 Speaker 1: we we look in our weight. And it's just we're 763 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: all almost all of us are on the same road together, 764 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: and it's good to remember that we're on it together, 765 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: traveling together. Let's stop squabbling with one another. I definitely 766 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: honor my hunger. You got anything else, I got nothing else? Okay, Um, 767 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: thank you for listening everybody. We hope this helped. We 768 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 1: hope it didn't set anybody off. If it did, email 769 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: us let us know. We apologize in advance. That was 770 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: definitely not our intent. Um. And since we said that, 771 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: it's time for listener. Now, I'm gonna call this ex 772 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: murder and Family or X murdered family. Hey, you guys 773 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 1: are the best. I stumbled upon your macha that ain't 774 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: just tea podcast a few weeks ago, and I've been 775 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,359 Speaker 1: down to stuff should know rabbit hole ever since. Well, 776 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Of Jenny. Yeah, welcome. Love hearing 777 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,439 Speaker 1: about new listeners right. Most recently, I've been really into 778 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: your shows about axe murderers. They're fascinating. And get this, 779 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 1: I've discovered that members of my own family were killed 780 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: by an axe murderer or two in the eighteen hundreds. 781 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 1: There's a whole book about it titled to Murder along 782 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 1: the Muskanic Cong Murder along the Muskanic Cong. I thought 783 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: it was more. They're called the infamous Change Water Massacres 784 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: of eight forty three. Uh. The casting Her family, which 785 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,439 Speaker 1: is my family line, was sleeping one night when two 786 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: men who were attempting to rob them came in and 787 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: murdered the mother, uncle, and two year old sister with axes. 788 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,880 Speaker 1: They had lured the father outside, killed him and threw 789 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: him in a ditch right before that. What's amazing is 790 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: that there were two survivors, little JP and his older 791 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 1: brother Victor, who were asleep on a cot behind the doorway. 792 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,799 Speaker 1: The murderers had no clue the boys were there, and 793 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: they were left unharmed and slept through the whole thing 794 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: at six and ten years old. What's interesting is that 795 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the two men convicted were killers? 796 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: Were the Killers? More than two other men were originally arrested, 797 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: so it's kind of sketchy. You guys should check it out. 798 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for all you do. You're a comfort, especially during 799 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: the strange season. That is from Jenny Farnand thanks Jenny. 800 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 1: That's awesome. We're probably just farning. I get I like 801 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: Fard the Destroyer, the Macha Drinker. Um, thanks Jenny. We 802 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: appreciate you listening. Can you imagine those two boys six 803 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: and ten being like, hey, who's up for pan kit? 804 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: When they wake up? Is it too soon? It's an 805 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,359 Speaker 1: eight murder Chuck and the other one says, no, I'd 806 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: rather have waffle oh a little bit. Yeah, we might 807 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: cut this, but if we don't, you guys can let 808 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: us know how much we suck. Um. 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