WEBVTT - Selects: Finders Keepers: Real Law 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.840 Everyone. It's Josh and for this week's Select, I've chosen 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.400 our two thousand nineteen episode on the actual law behind 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.399 finders Keepers and exactly what happens when someone stumbles upon 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:16.880 buried treasure or treasure accidentally dropped in a parking lot. Enjoy. 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.040 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:32.680 Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.520 and there's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.120 And this is Stuff you Should Know, the Finders Keepers 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:46.120 Edition Losers Weepers. Yeah, I know, so, Chuck. This is like, 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:47.800 this is an actual thing. It's not just like a 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:52.440 child's fantasy. Like this is law in some places. And 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:57.000 while it doesn't actually state losers weepers, I think it's implied. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.680 It's implicit in the law where the finder is the keeper, 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.279 but you lost it, so you're legally obligated to weep 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.560 in public. Yeah, and it's funny reading through some of 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:13.920 these examples, it sounds like playground stuff. I'll say that 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.640 I'll get to some of these. Some of these examples though, 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:22.080 I'm like, man, that's not yours, Like, come on, give 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.440 it up? Did you say that out loud to yourself. 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.199 I did a couple of these. I was like, man, seriously, man, 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.880 that's not yours, that's not yours. I'm just have a 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.360 big justice thing, you know, So yeah, me too. It's 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.360 when I see people acting like a big baby in 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.520 saying like this money I found in my wall, this 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.800 is mine, Like, no, it's not. Well, you would be 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.120 a great arbitrator, Yeah, get out of here. It's not yours. 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.840 You'd be like, my ruling is this man, that's not yours? 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:54.640 Give it up. Uh. But no, let's start with John 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:59.440 and Mary not their real names. No, No, I guess 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.480 that's worth pointing out. These are anonymous, an anonymous husband 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:07.240 and wife team from nor Cow. Yeah, from northern California. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.040 And they are anonymous because they didn't want a lot 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.560 of attention. And they are still anonymous. We'll call him 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.480 John and Mary. And they are famous. Uh. Well, I 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.000 guess they're not famous, but their cases a little famous 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:22.280 because they found ten million dollars and are you know 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.359 what could be ten million dollars in rare gold coins 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.760 buried on their property that they own on a walk 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.720 and it's known as the Saddle Ridge Horde. Uh. In 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.360 February two thirteen, they found this, Uh, these four hundred 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.520 gold coins that no one knows who they belonged to, 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.920 how they got buried there, but they found them and 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.000 took a long time sort of coming out with this. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.240 They did about as smart as you possibly can. Yeah, 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.399 they didn't rush to the press or anything and say 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.639 look what we found. Uh. They took their time because 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.560 I think they frightfully knew that they were onto something 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.680 pretty special. Yeah. So they were out walking on on 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.400 their property put that away for later with their dog, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.640 and they noticed, I guess, the side of a can 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.760 coming out of the ground, and they went and dug 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.480 it out, and sure enough, there was a bunch of 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.919 gold coins in there. Whenever you see a can coming 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.200 out of the ground, I mean, that's your hope and 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.440 wish that it's going to be filled with gold coins 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:23.640 or jewels or something, right, But it never happens, And 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:28.200 it actually happened to these people. And so they went 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.640 back again and again and again, and they ended up 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:36.080 pulling eight cans filled with gold coins, pure gold coins, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.320 out of the ground on their property. And it became 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.160 very apparent based on the state of preservation of the 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.920 cans and the dates of the coins in the cans 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:50.320 that somebody had buried this no more recently than the 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.360 very beginning of the twentieth century and probably sometime in 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.400 the late nineteenth century. Yeah, and here's a hint. If 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:01.360 you ever happened to unearthed a whatever, a can or 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.160 a glass jar or something full of money buried on 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:09.119 your property, just keep digging. Yeah that maybe it, but 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.360 maybe not. Yeah. I wondered, like, what kind of excavation 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.200 they undertok points once they were like, oh, there's more there. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.680 I'm quite sure they cleared that ground. It's it's it's verified. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:23.080 There's no more cans. So if you're talking actual money, 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.400 the face value it's about twenty seven grand. But because 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.360 these are rare fines in great great condition, most of 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.880 most of these coins, um, they're thinking that it could 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.480 be worth as many as as much as ten million bucks. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.279 So they're gonna sell it. Well they have been and 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:45.760 donate some of this money, and um, you know that 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.160 it's nice that they're they're donating some of it, but 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:53.720 it really sort of um opens up this question of hey, 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.920 what is the law say about finding something period much 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:03.040 less like on my property? Right? The finders keepers law 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.560 basically is what you're talking about, and that's really what 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.880 it's called in case laws, find the finders finders keepers 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.680 laws or rules. That's right. So, um, there was a 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.839 lot going on here. These guys, John and Mary owned 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.279 the land that these coins were found on and that 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.480 was a huge mark in their favor. Um, But they're 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:28.240 in the United States. It really depends on what state 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.159 you're in, what court you go to, what judge you 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.040 happen to pull the case law on. It is so 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.600 all over the place and so piecemeal that it's it's 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.840 really almost the luck of the draw. And there are 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.320 more things that you can do to compound your case 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.760 to make it more likely that the the thing is 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:53.080 is yours. But really it comes down to who has 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:58.400 the best claim on whatever is found. Yeah, Like somebody 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.640 could come forward Will probably or could have come forward 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.160 with John and Marry and said, wait a minute, that 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:09.520 was my great great grand Pappy Clark's land, and I'm 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:13.640 sure he did not intend to clark you those gold coins. Uh, 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.120 so like we actually should have a claim as his family, 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.080 um to to to take this stuff from you, and 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.599 like that could go that could very legitimately go to 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.200 court to be decided by a judge. And again, like 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:32.320 you said, it's who has the more legitimate claim. Um. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.040 What really helps them is, like you said, it was 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:38.479 on their land and that it's super old, right exactly. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.440 So the fact that it's very, very old means that 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.480 the person who buried them is probably dead, may not 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:49.560 even have any living heirs any longer. Um, that's one 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.719 thing that it's it's old. The second thing is that 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:58.000 it's old, but it's also not necessarily archaeological. It's it's money. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:02.719 So it's the old coins are the definition of treasure. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.040 And what we've entured now is called treasure law. And 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.280 there's different types of things that we'll see, but there's 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:14.800 one one category of found property is called treasure. And 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.440 what they found was treasure. It was a gold coin, 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:21.840 It was very old, but it wasn't necessarily archaeological. Again, 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.200 it was on their property. And so had somebody come 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.080 along and said, my grandpappy Clark buried those back when 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.680 my family owned this property, that's ours, they would have 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.240 a claim. And and pretty much anytime something valuable, especially 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.680 ten million dollars valuable, is found in the United States, 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.920 it is automatically going to get hammered out in court 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:47.000 because the laws are so vague in piecemeal and arbitrary 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.880 that it's going to going to be hammered out in court. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.360 Who has the bigger claim? But because John and Mary 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.120 found something that was old, that was buried by someone 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.480 no one knows who buried it, and that it was 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.600 found on their property, they have a pretty good claim. Now, 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.160 if you were going to come and say, my grandpappy 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:07.440 buried that, um, your claim would be that was that 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.480 belonged to my family at one point in time, we 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.240 think it still does It just happened to be buried 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:17.960 and forgotten or left um on land that these people bought. Now, 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.920 there's a pretty good chance that the court would say, yeah, 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.680 but they bought the land. And depending on what state 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.600 you're in, that's that if they own the land, they 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.200 owned everything on it, yeah. Or bought the car with 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.600 money in the trunk, or the house with a super 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.000 valuable painting buried in the attic. It's sort of all 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.040 the same, um and And this is modern times. This 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.320 has been going on since the dawn of time when 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.800 people would lose or bury something, and they've always had 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.000 I think back then it was a little more cut 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.960 and dried, like an ancient Rome. If you found something 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.640 like that, half of it went to the emperor, just 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.080 sort of no if fans or butts uh if In 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.959 modern England, if you find something um old and rare, uh, 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.040 they say that belongs to the queen. Um. But here's 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.840 here's like a good fee for you now now hand 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.480 it over. And that's very very new, and that's kind 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:17.440 of that represents the the new thinking in treasure law 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.880 or found property law, which is, look, we can't just 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.080 let you keep this stuff that may have not just 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.760 like monetary value, but actually like cultural value as well, like, 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.400 so we need to have something to do with this. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.000 So England, just when I should say, the UK just 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:39.360 said everything you find that is valuable or antique, um 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.400 and archaeological that belongs to the crown. But the Crown 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.520 is going to pay you market value, no questions asked, 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.960 right off the bat. So it's not finders keepers, but 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.880 it's finders. Here's here's a bunch of money you didn't 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.199 have before for finding this and bringing it into us. 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.960 And the point of this from this position of the 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:01.920 Crown or the UK government is that it encourages cooperation 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:07.520 with archaeological archaeologists and historians to preserve cultural stuff rather 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:12.280 than just having it sold out onto the the commercial 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:17.120 market to private collectors because of finder keepers laws. And 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:21.280 that's how it was before. Yeah. I mean, if if 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:25.080 it's in the UK today and you find something that 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.360 is not an ancient gold coin, but if you just 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.360 find it, let's say, you know, ten thousand pounds bundled together, 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.720 buried in your in your attic or on the street 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.960 for that matter, I think you have to file paperwork 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.800 at a police station. Uh, the owners have twenty eight 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.280 days to claim it and then it's yours. In the 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:47.000 United States, it varies from state to state and uh 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.960 sometimes even county to county, but generally it's sort of 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.800 the same thing. Like it reported to the police. They 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.000 need to advertise the lost property for a week and 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.640 then wait about ninety days depending on where you are, 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.079 to see if anyone claims it, and then after that 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.200 they might say you can keep it. Yeah, but maybe 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.320 it just depends on where you are. That's um, that's 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.760 like contemporary property that you found, right, Yeah, yeah, this 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.240 is not like ancient gold coins. This is I found 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.800 a bundle of cold hard cash. So let's let's take 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.160 a break, and then we'll take a detour into contemporary 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.240 property because there are like a whole other set of 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:48.360 laws that are like are kind of important too, all right, yes, okay, chuck. So, 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:52.360 like we said, there's there's some categories for for property 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:57.360 found property. One of them is treasure, where it's just 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:01.160 straight up I found eight cans of gold coins and 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.320 it's treasure. Some in the UK, there's not really a 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:12.560 distinction between that and say, um, like uh, archaeological artifacts. 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.320 They're virtually one and the same. In the US because 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.840 the age of the country is young enough, there's a 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.760 distinction between an archaeological artifact and say, like treasure that's found. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.840 But there's then there's contemporary property where the person who 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.200 owned it is probably still alive. If not, they're the 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:35.439 first generation after them is still probably around um. And 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:40.440 that that contemporary stuff is basically broken out into three subcategories. 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:45.200 There's lost, abandoned, and mislaid property. And depending on the 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.839 status of the property UM, the finder may or may 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.680 not get to keep it, and even that then it 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.760 depends on where you are. Yes, So as far as 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:59.880 those categories go. Abandoned property is something that uh, they say, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.559 forsaken by a previous owner who doesn't have any intention 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.440 of coming back for it, so they've abandoned. They have 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.720 abandoned it. Can you imagine like how you would tell 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:16.319 whether something's abandoned or not. I don't know. I mean 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:21.400 unless they literally leave a note saying finders keepers, I 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.640 don't want this anymore. Get this away from me. You 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.680 know what would it be like a big bag of 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.480 cocaine that somebody left there, like, I can't do anymore. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.600 This is really bad for me. I don't want this. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.679 I don't know. Uh, I don't know. That is that? 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.240 That is the one that is the most confusing. The 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:42.319 other two are much more straightforward. Lost obviously is like 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.280 the example they gave is you've lost your engagement ring 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.400 in the street um, and clearly it's something that you 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.480 want back and maybe have tried to come back and 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:56.079 find um, but you have dropped it or lost it somehow. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:00.560 And this mislaid is even more interesting because that is 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.400 something that you intentionally put somewhere but then kind of 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:08.040 forgot it. And another good example like you went to 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.880 the bank and we're filling out your your form and 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.080 then oh my goodness, you got a cell phone call 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.160 and had to bolt real quick, and you left that 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.600 money on the counter that you wanted to deposit in 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.600 the bank. That is mislaid, um, because you clearly had 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.440 an intention for it and we're just way late or whatever. Right, 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:29.320 So it's not technically lost because you put it somewhere 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.160 on purpose. Yeah, Whereas lost, like you dropped something in 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.000 a parking lot. You may not even know you're missing 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.040 it at the time, right, or you can't find it, right. Um. 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.160 Mislaid is just like you're no longer where you put 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.800 that thing down, but you intended to do something with it. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.880 There was intent behind it, but you forgot or something 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.560 or you got called away. Yeah, and that that property 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:54.080 mislaid property is supposed to be guarded by whoever owns 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.360 the property, So in that case it would be the bank. 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.120 Somebody from the bank should go over there, collect that 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.200 money and just set it aside and be like that guy, 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.520 we'll be back for this, right. Which is it's funny 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.560 because you know the whole lost and Found box. You 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.800 think that's just like a good Samaritan thing. Well, really, 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:11.720 it's everybody just covering their behind speaking. I guess probably 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.480 I see it differently now, and I'm a little more 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.360 bitter because of it. So this Arizona case is one 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:21.080 of the ones where I got a little, uh, little pod, 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.320 I was okay a little bit. So this is a 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.400 man died. He hid half a million dollars in cans 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:33.400 and AMMO cans, ammunition cans in the walls. And years 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.440 later the person who owned that house, we're doing some renovations. 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.000 Outcome these cans and they were like, oh my god, 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.080 it's a half a million dollars. This is ours. So 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.920 this man's daughters they knew like dad loved to do 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.000 stuff like this. He loved to hide things. He loved 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.440 to hide things away. Uh. They they searched before they 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.280 sold the house. They even searched, but obviously did not 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:01.120 find these these cans stashed in the walls. Uh. And 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.360 when this came out, these daughters came forward and we're like, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.440 you know, that's our money, that's our our you know, 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.880 should have gone to us in a will. But my 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:14.560 cookie Dad stashed in the wall again jerk. And Uh, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.480 these people fought them for that and said, no finders keepers, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.440 it's in our wall. We bought this house. Well, so 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.040 I mean I I can understand your eye or in 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.360 your anger, and that's what I'm like. As soon as 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.440 someone stepped forward would have been like, oh, well here's 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.360 your money, then like this is your father's. Sure it 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.760 doesn't belong to me, But what if you were like, actually, 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.720 we've got a like legitimate legal claim to this. Because 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.160 depending on where they were and this is Arizona, but 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:47.080 I mean depending on the state. When you buy property 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.640 from somebody, you buy the property and everything on that property, 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:55.120 whether anyone knows it's they're or not, it belongs to you. 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:59.160 Is the property owner. For example, Texas is huge on 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:03.320 that huge on private property ownership, so much so that 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.639 if you own property in Texas and there's an archaeological 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:11.080 site on your property, that's yours, bub you can set 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.240 it on fire, you can turn it into a reck room, 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.160 you can do whatever you want with that stuff. That's 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:21.280 your property. That's how that's how Texas views uhum, private 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.320 property rights. Right. So these people may have been like, well, 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.520 we're from Texas, that's just how we do it in Texas, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.720 they had a legitimate claim to challenge. I get what 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.280 you're saying, but they also may have felt like, hey, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.000 we bought this property and this came with the property, 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.200 so this is our sorry, that whole loser's wheepers thing 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.080 I think is what they were invoking. Yeah, I mean 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.280 that that's clearly what they did. But what I'm saying 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.720 is that is not a that's not cool, right, No, 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.440 it's that money did not belong to them. They didn't 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:55.240 work for it. They didn't buy it because the house 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.080 because they thought there might be money in the walls. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.600 You know, I understand if no one came forward, then great, 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.320 But as soon as these daughters come forward, like that's 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.200 their money to do the right thing, that's what I say. 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.119 I'm with you, like I would. There's no way I 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.440 would have challenged these daughters in court, right, you would 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.880 have been finders, nice guys, losers here you go. Well, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.399 I'd make sure, you know, I'd go through all the 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.439 legal process of making sure that they are who they 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.800 say they were and it all checked out. I wouldn't 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:25.439 like if they came knocking on my door would just 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.280 go all right here, but I would. I would go 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.760 through that process and then say, well, okay, then it's 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.680 definitely your money. Would you like interview their cousins and 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:36.720 be like, what kind of daughters were they? Were they 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.919 good daughters? Or you know, do they deserve this? At 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.280 the very least, you're inviting a a heap of bad 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.399 luck and karma upon your head. Well, if you believe 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.400 that kind of stuff, sure it comes around. What goes 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.920 around comes around, That's my motto. Well that's another finders, keepers, losers, weepers. 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.640 What goes around comes around. And then the third one 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.919 everything I needed to know I learned in kindergarten. Or 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.320 what about this guy in Georgia the public defender talk 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.360 about a jerk? Yes, there's no this guy had no 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.000 legal standing whatsoever, whether he was from Texas or anywhere. 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:13.760 I didn't. I didn't look him up to see what 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.359 his name was. But in two thousand thirteen, a public 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.320 defender found um a diamond ring, I guess, an engagement 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:25.240 ring that was worth something like ten dollars and just 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.760 put it in their pocket and walked away whistling. Man, 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:34.840 what a I mean, especially an engagement ring? Right, that's mine? Yeah? 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.840 What a jerk? No, I I agree, And um he 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.720 got in trouble for it. From what I understand, they 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.359 when the person went back and said I lost my 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:48.160 engagement ring at the target helped me. The target said, well, 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:50.960 of course we're gonna help you. Calm down, calm down, peace, brother, 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:55.280 And they pulled up their surveillance videos and saw the 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.840 public defender finding the ring and pocketing it, and they 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.240 put a warr in out for the public defenders arrest 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:05.520 for I think larceny actually, at the very least, for 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.720 not going to links to find the person whose ring 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:15.440 it was, not even links links, pick up a phone 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.159 or go into the target and be like, hey, I 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.600 need to speak to a manager. Well, it's funny, it says. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:23.320 One of the things that you can and should do 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.760 if is like to do that and go like give 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.480 that diamond ring to the manager at target, and like, 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.920 I would never do that if it was something super valuable, 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.480 I wouldn't trust I wouldn't trust them. I would keep 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.720 it under my own control and go to the cops. 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.760 Just walk around with a gun drawn on everybody, like, 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.080 get back, get back, I found somebody's timond ring. Get back. 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.560 It's my looking at now, And you're like, maybe I 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.600 should just go ahead and rob someplace. Now I got 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:52.600 my gun out and I'm protecting this time and ring, 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.880 and you enter into a life of crime totally inadvertent. 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.080 It's a justice thing again, Like I don't want people 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.600 should have stuff that is rightfully there. It's not like, uh, 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:07.080 well I just happened to get lucky today, right quick, 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:11.880 Like that's what's wrong with this country. Yeah, And I mean, 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.879 I know you're right about the frand in the behind 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.080 the toaster oven. The diamond ring is even more cut 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.640 and dry to me for sure, but um, that's yeah. 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.000 This this isn't a parking lot and it was just lost, 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.000 you know. Um. So yeah, there are certain things that 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.919 you want to do if you find lost property that 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:36.639 is contemporary, that's obviously lost, that's obviously new. Um. And 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:38.000 one of the first things you want to do is 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:41.440 take it to the cops and say, here, here's my 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.959 name and number in case somebody doesn't doesn't claim this, 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:47.240 but I'm officially giving it to you the cops for safekeeping, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.520 and then probably take out an ad in the paper 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.560 or on Craigslist or both, and then kick back and 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:58.000 wait for the kudos and the praise for being a hero, yeah, 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.160 or for that thing to be returned to you if 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.800 no one claims it. Yep, depending on where you are, 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:05.640 I think it, Like you said, in the UK, it's 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.920 something like a month. In California, it's I saw a 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:12.120 hundred and twenty days. I've also seen ninety. Um. Yeah, 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:14.080 if you do all the right things and follow all 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.720 the right steps, it can be yours, free and clear. 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.879 Not only free and clear, like you're not going to 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.560 be arrested, free and clear where the person can come 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.399 back and say, oh, you know I I that was 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.840 my ring. If you are a jerk, you can say no, 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:30.760 it's my ring now, and the cops would be like, 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:34.720 it's it's their ring now. They followed all the right moves. Yeah. 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:38.800 They also recommend if it's something really really valuable, maybe 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.639 like get an attorney on on the thing, like maybe 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:43.840 one who would find a diamond ring and not return 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:47.439 it right exactly. He's a public defender too. That's what 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:51.440 I don't get. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean it was 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.639 like an entertainment, a journey. It would make much more sense, 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.360 it would, I guess, But in public defenders like, well, 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:00.640 I don't get paid, this is a really thank plus job, 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.880 and I'm going to do something for myself for once 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.000 and then they ended up in jail for doing something 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:10.320 for themselves for and then needed a public defender. Yes, ironically, 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:15.560 should we take a break, Yeah, we're going to take 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:17.520 a break, chuck. And then we are going to go 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:44.720 under the sea. Yeah, where things get really confusing, all right. 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:50.160 So this is where things get super super convoluted when 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:56.600