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Speaker 1: So I got two pisons with me today. I got

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Speaker 1: Mr Deatino and I got our good friend Rick Sarotella

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Speaker 1: NFL p A Bowl. And Rick, you guys just or

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Speaker 1: go back to come to an agreement with Sports Illustrated right,

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Speaker 1: tell us all about it. Yeah, very exciting times obviously,

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Speaker 1: with January games, draft season, and now our partnership with

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated, so NFL Draft Bible becomes the official NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft content provider for Sports Illustrated, which essentially means we've

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Speaker 1: been in the whole platform over to good old, good

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Speaker 1: old s I and looking forward to distributing all of

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Speaker 1: our live stream shows, are scouting reports, are rankings, our

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Speaker 1: official draft guys. The publication will still be in effect.

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Speaker 1: So really excited about it. Taking the NFL Draft Bible mainstream.

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Speaker 1: It's it's been a long time coming. We've been doing

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Speaker 1: it since two thousand two, and now we get to

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate that guy's well, Rick, It's a great

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Speaker 1: time to jump to an even larger platform because I

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Speaker 1: one guy you know coming into the season, it was

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Speaker 1: Quincy Rose from Temple, but then it was Jalen Phillips.

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Speaker 1: Still it was thunder And he's also a treat for

431
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Speaker 1: from Music l A. This kid was a Fox Star recruit.

432
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Speaker 1: Had the injuries at U c l A. I think

433
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Speaker 1: he even had to take a year off his his

434
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Speaker 1: explosiveness off the edge and what he was able to

435
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Speaker 1: do this past season, Galin still looks while he might

436
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Speaker 1: not be the guy you want at eleven when you're

437
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Speaker 1: coming back around again in round two if you don't

438
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Speaker 1: go edge rusher and round one, dal Shillips would be

439
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: a guy that offers a lot of appeal. And then

440
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Speaker 1: Quitty Pay from Michigan. I think he's the first founder

441
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Speaker 1: at this point, and I think you know, he had

442
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Speaker 1: a productive season there to the Wolverines and he's probably

443
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Speaker 1: their top prospects. You know, rig Based on the tea

444
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Speaker 1: leaves that you've put in front of us, it sounds

445
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Speaker 1: as though of the giants three biggest needs going into

446
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Speaker 1: this offseason, edge rusher, cornerback too and wide receiver one,

447
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: they would best be looking at top value at wide

448
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: receiver at eleven as opposed to the other two positions.

449
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Speaker 1: Am I reading this correctly? You know? I think it

450
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Speaker 1: depends on who falls to you there. If you have

451
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Speaker 1: a shot at Chase and Devine to Smith, I think

452
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: they're just, you know, game changing type of talents and

453
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Speaker 1: you've got to pull the trigger. But I think if

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Speaker 1: they're off, if they're both off the board at that point, Well,

455
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: then hey, you've got to say, well, wide receiver might

456
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Speaker 1: be the biggest strength of the draft. Can we go

457
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Speaker 1: offensive tackle? And dare I say a Christian Diary fall

458
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Speaker 1: from from Virginia tech Um or even if Samuel Cosy

459
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Speaker 1: from Texas and then come back around and get a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver in round two? I think if Chase Smith

461
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Speaker 1: are off the board, you've got to consider that option. Yeah, Rick,

462
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: we saw and I think this is a good place

463
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Speaker 1: to take this conversation. I want to ask a two

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Speaker 1: part question. The first part I let you answer, Then

465
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Speaker 1: I'll give you a follow up once you get past

466
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Speaker 1: Smith and and Chase, how big is that drop off

467
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Speaker 1: to that next group? And I guess you know Jay

468
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: one Waddles in that group? Is is Bateman in that group?

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Speaker 1: How do you view that next group? How big of

470
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Speaker 1: a drop off is there? And then I'll ask you

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Speaker 1: the second part of the question. Well, yeah, I mean

472
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: I think you've got to look at it like the

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Speaker 1: next talent. You know, based on pure talent, the next

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Speaker 1: next to the next two or three guys are really

475
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Speaker 1: slot receivers. Rondel Moore and Cadarius Tony and yeah, they

476
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Speaker 1: might all wind up going in round one, But do

477
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Speaker 1: you really want to take a slot receiver at number eleven,

478
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Speaker 1: especially with more and widels who bring injury concerns and

479
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: durability issues. You don't want to use another high high

480
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: pick on a skill position guys appron to injury fair enough?

481
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Speaker 1: And how deep is this wide receiver class, because we've

482
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Speaker 1: seen last year specifically and even the year before that,

483
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Speaker 1: how you're getting you know, one A or at worst

484
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Speaker 1: number two wide receivers in the second round that are

485
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Speaker 1: contributing right away? Is this class just as deep as

486
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Speaker 1: last year's Where if you're the Giants and you're picking

487
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Speaker 1: there at forty three, all right, I'm gonna get a

488
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: damn good player here that I can plug in and

489
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Speaker 1: he'll be an impact player right away. That's exactly right.

490
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 1: I think at forty three you can still get a

491
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Speaker 1: player with a round one grade who slides into that

492
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Speaker 1: area just based on the fact that this year's wide

493
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: receiver class I think is even better than last year's class.

494
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Speaker 1: That's how Terrence is better. And you've got guys like

495
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: Prisconic Bateman, Terrence Marshall, June your Seth Williams from Albert,

496
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: Nico Collins from Michigan. Uh, the kids St. Browns from

497
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: USC is a good sleeper, and then you want to

498
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Speaker 1: go back into the slot guys Amry Rogers from Clempson.

499
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: We haven't even spoken about him. So I think all

500
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Speaker 1: those guys I just mentioned could be in play at

501
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Speaker 1: number forty three. You know, interesting though, wreck most of

502
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: these receivers are are on the smallest side to me,

503
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: when you were just going through that list and you

504
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: were naming a bunch of of of second level guys,

505
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: Marshall's obviously a skyscraper. Um Nico Collins from Michigan is

506
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: a skyscraper to me? Maybe he is, I don't know,

507
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: Seth Williams, you consider him kind of border line skyscraper.

508
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: Other than that what concerns me, And maybe it's just

509
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: my my bias in that I'd like to see the

510
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Speaker 1: giants get a bigger guy. Most of these these top

511
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: level folks are on the smallest side. Well, you know,

512
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think, like I said, the guys

513
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: like Randal Moore, Janleen Wattle, Darius Tony. In my opinion,

514
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Paul, I think those are are

515
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: more luxury assets, right, I think those are the back

516
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: end of round one receivers, where competing veteran teams that

517
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: are kind of looking for a piece to put them

518
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: over the turn. They can afford to draft a guy

519
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: like that. But the Giants they need playmakers and many

520
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: playmakers on the outside, right, You gotta get playmakers on

521
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: the outside before you can have playmakers on the inside.

522
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: And so to me, like, hey, Jason DeVonta Smith, maybe

523
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: off the board, I think Bateman can fit the bill there.

524
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: I think Seth Williams has enough size to fit the

525
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Speaker 1: bill there. And then do you want to start thinking

526
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Speaker 1: made rounds, Well, you know, Trayvon Rhymes, you want to big,

527
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, kind of go up and get it, red

528
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: zone type of targets. Uh, he'll be down at the

529
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, Um, Tyler Vaughns. You look at him and

530
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: he's about sixties six three out there at USC and

531
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: you saw Michael Pittman's development there down the stretch of

532
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: the season. Tyler Vaughns, you know, in some people's opinion,

533
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: could be even a higher rated prospect. But I think

534
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: he brings a lot of those similar skill things. All right,

535
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: let's let's stick with skill position guys, here and go

536
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: to the tight end position. I want to focus on

537
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. Dame Bruler released a mock draft a couple

538
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: of days ago. He had the Giants picking pits at eleven.

539
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: Is he that special of a player wreck where he

540
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: could be that tight end that is worth a top

541
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Speaker 1: fifteen selection? Oh? Absolutely, and I I just don't think.

542
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't see him being available at an one of

543
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: the top five players in this year's draft. I mean, um,

544
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: he is real a a a bulked up Shannon Sharp.

545
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean this, this guy is a mismatched nightmare. I'm

546
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: not sure I've seen quite the receiving, polished receiving products

547
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: to come out of college like I have in Kyle Pitts.

548
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: I find it almost impossible for him to last total

549
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Speaker 1: eleven canny block he can block good enough when like that?

550
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, I I like that answer a lot. Uh

551
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: to circle back around to the quarterbacks, because, after all,

552
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: even though the Giants don't need one, I do think

553
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: it's going to impact what is available to them at eleven.

554
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: If as most people think, they'll be three to go

555
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: in the top ten. Is that the way you're handicapping

556
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: it so far? Yeah? I think I think Lawrence and

557
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: Fields are short, short fire locks there. I think Zack

558
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: Wilson is a guy I would not be surprised ultimately

559
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: if Wilson comes off the board before Justin Field. I

560
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: think there's some love in the NFL that people are

561
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: asking themselves not only is he better, they're they're not

562
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: asking if he's just better than Justin Field. Some teams

563
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: are asking if back Wilson's the best quarterback in this

564
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: year's draft. And so, you know, I I think whether

565
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: the team's remain intact or there's some trade ups, Lawrence Field,

566
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson to me are all top ten picks, and

567
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: then you know, I think you've got in terms of

568
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: the first round. Could they slide into the top ten?

569
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: Maybe Trey Lamps because all it takes is one team

570
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: to fall in love. But I think, you know, those

571
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: would be the four potential top ten quarterbacks. Who else

572
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: would go in the first round? Do you think Mac Jones?

573
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: You think he squeezes in? I think Mac Jones. You know,

574
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: a team like the Steelers, if they want to bring

575
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: back Big Ben for a year, I think Mac Jones

576
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: could be kind of the quarterback they thought Mason Rudolph was,

577
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: so I could see it interesting. Interesting, All right, let's

578
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: let's pap up on the offensive side of the ball.

579
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: We got running backs, an old line, and we kind

580
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: of talked a little bit about the offensive tackles. We

581
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: all know Penna Sewel is not going to be there

582
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Speaker 1: for the Giants at eleven. You mentioned some names earlier,

583
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: a guy like Rashaan Slater. I think some people think

584
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: Rick could either be a guard or a tackle and

585
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: s some versatility. What are their offensive tackles or offensive lineman.

586
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: I'll just throw it out there that generically, if the

587
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: Giants decide to go in that direction at eleven, could

588
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: they or should they be considering? Well? I think Raisan

589
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: Slater is an interesting case study because we don't think

590
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: this is where the measurements come into play. He's not

591
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: gonna have those you know, those thirty four inch benchmark,

592
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: arens right? And I think that can hurt them in

593
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: the process. So, you know, is he in consideration there

594
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: at eleven? I wouldn't rule it out, that's for sure. Um.

595
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: You know, in terms of left tackle potential, I think

596
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: once you get past pay school, you know, Samuel Cosny

597
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: from Texas Christian Darius Offen Virginia Tech. I think these

598
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: are left tackle guys, and you know, you can't really

599
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: ever overvalue the left tackle in my opinion when you

600
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: look around the league. I think after tunes in the

601
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: league would say, hey, we we'd love to upgrade our

602
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: tackle position, especially even at left tackle. Jail and Mayfield

603
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: is a dark horse from Michigan, Kevin Jenkins from Oklahoma State.

604
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: These guys kind of a size that les the athleticism.

605
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: They're a little bit more raw, but they have the

606
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: upside and the potential and then you know, I'll say,

607
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: from an interior perspective, um Tray Smith, I think we've

608
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: got probably a top ten film grade on him. However,

609
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: he's had multiple issues now with this blood clotting issue

610
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: in his lungs. Now, he's been in the clear for

611
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons, but early on in his

612
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: career there were some issues there. And I don't know

613
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: how that checks out medically, but if we're just basic

614
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: basing it on a film evaluation, while Trace Smiths and

615
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: Tennessee is a top ten player in this year's draft,

616
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Speaker 1: all right, very quickly, all running backs are we gonna

617
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: have one to sneak into the first round, Rake, is

618
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: anybody in this group that that you think is special?

619
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would use the term special.

620
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: I think depending on what you want. If you want

621
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: more of that flashing present Travis at T Andrews, if

622
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: you want more of the bruising back Nanji Harris, big guy,

623
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: and then I think Javonte Williams from North Carolina is

624
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: probably third. Alright, let's flip it. Then the defense. We

625
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: talked about the top corners, Rick, if the Giants decided

626
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: that they wanted to go second round on the corner

627
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: because they try, we're attracted to somebody else at a

628
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: different position at eleven. Uh, is there going to be

629
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: somebody of good value there? How deep is the second

630
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: round going to be? Yeah? I mean I think there's

631
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: some solid value at corner here. Second round I would

632
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Speaker 1: probably start, you know, considering, you know, maybe a DJ

633
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: Daniel from Georgia who you know they have, like I said,

634
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: a lot of top corner backs. Um Sante Samuel Jr.

635
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: Not the biggest guy, but a playmaker, a guy who

636
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: creates turnowns, you know, could probably fit similar mold to

637
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: a Generis Jenkins. I think at the next level, So

638
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: he would be a guy if you want a bigger corner, well,

639
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: then Paulson Adebo from Stanford, there's a guy who opted

640
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: out to kind of forget about him. But I had

641
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: a chance to see Stanford live and you talk about

642
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: what an NFL corner looks like. Paulson Adebo, Um, he's

643
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: the guy I think could come off the board there

644
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: at at you know, round two areas. So um, Elijah

645
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: Molden from Washington, I think he has a lot of

646
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: love out there in the second or third round as well.

647
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: Is there a big drop off, Rick from that first

648
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: tier of guys that you spoke about earlier to that

649
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: second group? Are you taking a big risk in waiting

650
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: two round two or do you feel pretty confident about

651
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: these day two corners that could that they could that

652
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: they can come in and help you. Well know, I

653
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I feel good about anybody really

654
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: being a lockdown, solid, you know, corner one kind of guy.

655
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of cornerback twos in this market.

656
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: So you know, Shaun Wade is a guy where coming

657
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: into the season, a lot of people thought he would

658
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: be a first round guy. In fact, Chase Young even

659
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: went on record and and told me at the Maxwell

660
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: Club last year that Shaun Wade was a better player

661
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: than Jeffrey Okuda, who went number four overall. I think so,

662
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: But you know, based on what I saw with Shaun Wade,

663
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a boundary corner. But you know,

664
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Speaker 1: if you're telling me, I can get a nickel corner,

665
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: which is essentially a starter in today's NFL, like Shaun

666
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: Wade as at at UH forty three or whatever they're picking.

667
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that would be a great value.

668
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Defensive line seems to be really sparse in the first round.

669
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: Does does the Bama kid Barmore sneak in? Yeah? I

670
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: think Barmer is probably the only defensive tackle at this

671
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: point that we would put in that first round conversation.

672
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: Marvin Wilson from Florida State kind of a disappointing year.

673
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: I think he's now back in that day range. And

674
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: uh J two Felly from from USC is a guy

675
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. Here's one guy elect really

676
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: squatty doesn't have the prototypical height, but man, he can

677
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: really get over like for a big dude. Boy can

678
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: even have this this Jordan's Scott from Oregon. I don't

679
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: know if you checked him out, you know, take a

680
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: look at him though. He's a really increasing guy. And

681
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: I think day two, you've got to take a look

682
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: at this Tyler Shelvin from l s U, who again

683
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: he sat out this year. He opted out. Here's here's

684
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: a player who may have heard himselves going back to

685
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: the earlier questions, Tyler Sheldon, you know what what what? What?

686
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: What is he laying? That's what the first question is.

687
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: Because he's been as much as three eight Oh my god,

688
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: that that's Gilbert Brown's territory right there. Holy cow. And

689
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: so I'm he dropped like forty or fifty pounds last season.

690
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: But then he opted out and it's like, well, hey,

691
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: we we might not even see him because he's a

692
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: retcher junior. He's not going to be in the Senior Bowl.

693
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: And at the time of the combine just canceled. Well, hey,

694
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: we might not even see Tyler Shelvin. Wow, that's crazy.

695
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: We talked about Michael Parsons, what are the linebackers? And

696
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: you know this is not the edge rusher you guys

697
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: were talking about. Lady. We already touched on those rake

698
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: off ball inside linebackers. Who else in this draft last

699
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: do you like? Once you get past Parsons and when

700
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: you think they'll go off the board, you know, I

701
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: like this Chazz s Rat from North Carolina. Had a

702
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: chance to see him as he converted. You know, he

703
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: was a quarterback and couldn't really you know, uh hit

704
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: the playing field as a quarterback. So he converted to

705
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: linebacker last year and I think, you know, I actually

706
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: had a chance to speak with the father about the

707
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: transition and he was saying, well, hey, this ain't your

708
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: tune because he played linebacker in high school. So he's

709
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: very he quickly, you know, readjusted to that position. I

710
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: think he has a natural uh you know, news for

711
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: the football, great instincts. With that quarterback background, He's able

712
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: to read and decisive and the very quickly takes great

713
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: angles and and pursued. So I like Chas that in

714
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: therth Carolina a lot. I think Jacobe Stevens from l

715
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: s U, a guy that you know has been moved

716
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: all around. He you know, played safety, he played linebacker.

717
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: I think that's where he is at the next level

718
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: is Jacobe Stevens. He could be in play at forty three. Um,

719
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: how about Jabrill Cox coming over from North Dakota State.

720
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: He you know, hits the transfer portal and levels and

721
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: wins the starting job at l SC. Not only doesn't

722
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: win a starting job, but he plays at a very

723
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: high level. So I think he's another guy. Barron Browning

724
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: from Ohio State is probably the best of that time

725
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: to the Ohio State BU guy linebacker corpse. But Barn

726
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: Browning is a guy who can you know stuff. The

727
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: Ron also does well in coverage, you know, he was

728
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: kind of a guy that they were trying to key

729
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: in on traffic that siennas a pass catcher coming out

730
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: of the backfield. And then you know Jeremiah Elusive Karoma

731
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame, we just call him Jacques. I think

732
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: he's now kind of, you know, put himself in that

733
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: first round category as well. Do you see him as

734
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Speaker 1: as more of of like a jumbo safety in a

735
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: in a sub package that was supposed to really be

736
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: in a linebacker at the NFL level. I could see that,

737
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, and he does have some of that experience

738
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: at Notre games. And I think, you know, you like

739
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: with with him and the l s U player, he's

740
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: really got to have a defined role. I believe on

741
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: how you want to use them going into the process,

742
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: but if you can identify that in terms of where

743
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: you're going to use them, well then I think you

744
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: could justify the value. All right, I'll ask you about safeties.

745
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: The Giants have about eight thousand of them, so they're

746
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: probably not gonna grafful So you could feel free to

747
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: keep this one brief. Rick safety class deep? Who do

748
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: you anybody first round worthy and old? Last year, I

749
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: don't think one safety got picked in the first round.

750
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: Davy McKinney was the first one off the board in

751
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: round two? What do you think about this safety class? Yeah,

752
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: it's a it's a tough year for safeties. You know

753
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: Richard LeCount from Georgia as a guy I like a lot.

754
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: I just can't justify him in the first round. And

755
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: he's just small, and I worry about that. Um. You know,

756
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: the Florida State safety was very high on the radar

757
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: coming into this season, uh Nazarel Deane and then he

758
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: hit an injury, so I think he's not in that

759
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: first round conversation any any longer. So you know, I

760
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm struggling to put a safety in the

761
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: first round. You could stay the case for Andre Cisco

762
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: from Syracuse, Who's you know body beautiful? You know it

763
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: looks like or but then you know how had the

764
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: late season injury and so again without knowing what the

765
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: medical looks like. I don't know where he ultimately lands,

766
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: but I think Cisco from Sarah Jesus is probably the

767
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: one guy who could sneak into the latter part around

768
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: One generic question for me, Rick, as we've gone through

769
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: all the different positions, I know that you don't know

770
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: exactly what the schedule holds for the next offseason. Are

771
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: there anythings that you know for sure that you're going

772
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: to be able to attend or to go through that

773
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: you know? At this point, it's like, all right, I

774
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: know I'm going to get this at the very minimum,

775
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: and then we're just gonna have to see how the

776
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: rest of the stuff kind of sorts itself out. Well,

777
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: you know, we'll have some staff down and moving along

778
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: Obama for the Senior Bowl, and then we'll just wait

779
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: and see what the NFL calendar looks like, what the

780
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: second wave of COVID looks like. I mean, I'm I'm

781
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: trying to you know, stay optimistic, but also looking like

782
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: what's going on over in the U k. And and

783
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: the second strain and the second wave of lockdown, is

784
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: that inevitable here in the United States. That's the ultimate

785
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: variable and X factor. We all don't know. But I'm

786
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: anticipating at this stage a late combine in April. And

787
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: again I think it's gonna be more for the medical

788
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: evaluations uh efforts rather than you know, if they don't

789
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: get any measure, you know, any time drills or position drills,

790
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's the priority, but the medicals are.

791
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: And there's not gonna be time for medical uh call

792
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: back either, you know, usually you get the recheck. There's

793
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: not gonna be any of that. I have heard, though

794
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: I have herd. There is optimism that some schools may

795
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: allow pro days. I don't know how it's gonna work,

796
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: if there's gonna be kind of like a Blessed of

797
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: Scout or a National Scout that kind of hits the trails,

798
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: because again my understanding talking to a lot of the

799
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: schools is they don't really want scouts who travel in

800
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: the country going from campus to campus coming into their

801
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: facility now and and traveling the country and doing it

802
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: that way. So there's a lot to be the eye,

803
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be determined. We're hoping for the best. Um.

804
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: There are some other smaller All Star games. I think

805
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: the Tropic Bowl this week, there's the College Gridarons Showcase,

806
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: which is more of you know, your fringe draft a

807
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: ball priority free agent guys, which is you know, providing

808
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: a huge value and need for that as well. But

809
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be a draft cycle like we've

810
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: never seen before. And you know what, We'll keep doing

811
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: what we do. But I will tell you this that

812
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: draft in Cleveland, I do not anticipate that moving we

813
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: saw last year. The show must go on even if

814
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: it remains virtual. Alright, folks, just want to remind you

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820
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Speaker 1: I c Rick. I have two others for you real

821
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: quick before we say goodbye, and then I'll let Paul

822
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: give you one more iph he has it one. Besides

823
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: wide eva, what is another very deep position in this

824
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: class that you might be able to get into the

825
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: third round or fourth round and still get a quality player.

826
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: You know, I like the tight end class, believe it

827
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: or not, because I think Kyle pitts Uh comes off

828
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: the board in round one, and then you've got you know,

829
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: guys like Reverend Jordan's from Miami was like the Jordan

830
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: Reed Clune. You've got baby Gronk over there at Penn State,

831
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: and this kid hunters along from Boston College. Those are

832
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: all pass catching threats. But if you want a guy

833
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: who comes in and just blocks his butt off, this

834
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 1: Tommy Trumble. I love him, rick him, and I think

835
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: you know here you go. You want to tight end

836
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: probably round three that's gonna come in and can start

837
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: for you. Hey, I like that kid a lot. And Hey,

838
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: Josh Peterson, keeping keeping remember that name, the son of

839
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson. He's a really good looking player at the

840
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: right end position. Interesting, All right, I didn't tell you

841
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you this. I'm putting you on

842
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: the spot, so I apologize ahead of time, but I

843
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: trust that you'll be able to answer this pretty quickly. Anyhow, uh,

844
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: players that you're most excited to see at the Senior

845
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: Bowl in a couple of weeks, which, to your point,

846
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: might be the only chance we have to see a

847
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: lot of these guys now that the college season is over.

848
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: How about Patrick Jones from Pittsburgh? Do you want to

849
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: talk about a four three hand in the dirt defensive

850
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: end that can get after the quarterback. I'm really excited

851
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: to see him perform up against the best because your

852
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: saw what Mantes Sweat did a couple of years ago

853
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. I think Patrick Jones could be

854
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: this year's version of that. Well, I'm going to reserve

855
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: my final question for something totally bogus because we talk

856
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: about this all the time on B B K L Rick.

857
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna put you on the spot anyway, because

858
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: there were people with their mock drafts already coming out.

859
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: Who were the Giants taking a number of level Paul, Yeah,

860
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: and you have to write to reserve and change your

861
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: mind at any time before the draft. Well, you know,

862
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: David Kettleman is all about the hog molly. Um. I

863
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: don't know what Nate Soldier is doing. I don't know

864
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: what the status is there, but I think Das Saw

865
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: is the guy that you know, a lot of people

866
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: might not be talking about him right now, but I

867
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: think as we get closer to the draft, um Christian

868
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: Darius Saw is a guy who could come in and

869
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: either compete at left tackle and move Andrew Thomas back

870
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: over the right, or he just slides into the right

871
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: tackle positions. But I think they need to continue to

872
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: solidify that line up front and dute Daniel Jones upright.

873
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I should ask you a follow up,

874
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: heire Rick, because I think by by what Mara and

875
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: Gettleman had said recently about their need for playmakers, you'd

876
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: like to believe that, you know, that's where they're going

877
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: to go. But I understand the fortification of the offensive

878
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: line is huge. Could a potentially, if they wanted to

879
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: fortify that line get some quality guys who could compete,

880
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: maybe particularly on the inside, uh in the second or

881
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: third round. If they wanted to do that, they could,

882
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: But I think at this stage, like we gotta stop

883
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: trying to patch it and just get guys that we

884
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: can depend on. So to me, it's like, you know,

885
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: let's get guys that we know can come in and compete,

886
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: rather than taking guys that we hope can come in

887
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: and compete. And I think the biggest issue here is

888
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: when you look at the playmakers, they're clearly not taking

889
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: a running back. And when you know Jamaar, Chase, DeVante Smith,

890
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts all come off the board before number eleven,

891
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: do you really force the playmaker pick. Yeah, that's a

892
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: good question, especially when it's a deep class, right correct, Yeah,

893
00:48:53,600 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Or do you take the corner there? Yeah?

894
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: I mean that could be, that could be where you

895
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: see the first quarnerback off the board, So that would

896
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: a best you need if you're getting the top player

897
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: at that position. I think you consider it. So Rick

898
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: all jokes aside, and I don't want to put the

899
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: Giant fans down in the dumps about the draft already,

900
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: based on what we're talking about today, unless somebody drops eleven,

901
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's the best place to be in

902
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: this draft. I feel like you're kind of out of

903
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: that first tier of players and right at the beginning

904
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: of a second tier that probably runs pretty deep. Do

905
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: you do you consider that an accurate statement? You know,

906
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: I think a couple of things there. I think if

907
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: you're the Giants, you're hoping for teams to trade up

908
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: into the top ten to draft the quarterback and hoping

909
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: that four quarterbacks go in the top ten picks because

910
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: now you're getting one of your top five non quarterback

911
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: players in the draft. Well, so, so you know, I'll

912
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: follow up then who are your you know, top of

913
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: the line, top of the tier, better than everybody else

914
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: non quarterbacks in the class. That if you're the Giants,

915
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: you're hoping one of these guys might slip to eleven. Well,

916
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: you know, why not Micah Parsons When the last time

917
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: we had a transcending linebacker in Jersey like Michael Parsons

918
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: brings me back to the eight. That would be my guy.

919
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: Very good Rick, awesome stuff, my friend. Always a pleasure

920
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Well, of course, touch base around

921
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: the combine, then again before the draft, and once again

922
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: tell everybody where they can find your work. Yeah, NFL

923
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Draft Bible dot com. We're really excited to burn our

924
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: relaunch and re branding on Sports Illustrated that will be

925
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: hitting next week. So if you log on NFL draft

926
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: bible dot com and follow us on Twitter at NFL

927
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: Draft Bible. It's the thist way to find everything we do. Rick,

928
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: great stuff, Congratulations and we'll talk you down the road,

929
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: all right, Stay safe out there, Budd. Well, right, thank

930
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: you so much. That's Rick Sarah Tello from NFL Draft Bible.

931
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: We thank you for joining us on this episode of

932
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: the Giant Subtle Podcast. And Paul, before I wrap up here,

933
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: this was kind of our first d dive on the

934
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: air into this draft class. You know, we've both done

935
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: some very ancillary work on these guys and these players.

936
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: We have a lot of you know, ground yet to travel.

937
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: Your initial impressions of the class and where the Giants

938
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: are picking at eleven, Well, John, to be honest with you,

939
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: after talking to Rick, it's quite clear to me as

940
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: it was actually going in that, uh, the Giants at

941
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: eleven are in a precarious spot because and you you

942
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: asked him that at the end of the interview, and

943
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: I understood what you were coming where you were coming from,

944
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: because we've been saying now at least I know for

945
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: sure I have, and I'm pretty sure the rest of

946
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: our crew has for the last month what the giants

947
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: top three needs are and whether or not they can

948
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: get them in free agency is going to be a

949
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: big question because when you look at the draft, there

950
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: is a very real possibility that you're not getting a

951
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: solid on finit pick at any one of those three spots.

952
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: When you are on the board at number eleven, yeah,

953
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: you might not have to to use your terminology your

954
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: blue chip guy at because there might not be a

955
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: blue chip corner in this class right there there, There

956
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: just might not be one. So even if you get

957
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: the first corner, that guy might you know, there might

958
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: not be a Jeffrey Okuda type in this in this draft, right.

959
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: And then you go to wide receiver and you have

960
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: those two guys at the top, But then there's a

961
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: bit of a drop off to Rick's point, so if

962
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: why would you pick one at eleven when you can

963
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: get a guy that's nearly just as good at forty three, right,

964
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: So according to to my glossary, those are the repers, right,

965
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: and that's the problem. Right. And then you go to

966
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: uh edge rusher and there might not even be a

967
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: player that's worth the top fifteen pick in this class,

968
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: depending on what you think of Rousseau, Quitty Pay and

969
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: those guys. So you might be a situation where you

970
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: have to go to a position that maybe isn't as

971
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: big as a need to get the better player. And frankly, Paul,

972
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: but be honest with you, at six and ten, I

973
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that because you're still trying

974
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: to build a talent base, right, You're still trying to

975
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: get as many blue chip players as possible. Because let's

976
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: be honest, when you look at the Johns Roston right now,

977
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: how many blue chip players do you see? I would

978
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: say you don't have enough of them yet to be

979
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: a you know, contending team. So would you rather just

980
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: pick a blue chipper at a spot that's not necessarily

981
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: a position of big need than pick a red chip

982
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: prospect a position of needs. So that might end up

983
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: being where we wind up when all is said and

984
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: done here. Well, this is one of the reasons, and

985
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: if not one of, certainly a could even be the

986
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: number one reason why anybody who said going into the

987
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: final week that the Giants are better off not making

988
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: the playoffs than making it because they're gonna pick nineteen

989
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: instead of eleven. Well, after hearing this conversation today, do

990
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: you now understand why that would have really not made

991
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: a whole lot of difference. Yeah, I mean really, now

992
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: you're win the division, get into the playoffs. Okay, so

993
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: you pick nineteen instead of eleven. What's the big deal

994
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: based on the way this draft matches up to their

995
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: holes that that fall would not have been worth missing

996
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: out on the playoffs. Yeah, well, we'll see what happens. Paul.

997
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: We got a long way to go, but I thought

998
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: Rick gave us a great introduction to everything Giant fans

999
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,959
Speaker 1: should be keeping an eye on when the draft hits.

1000
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: Uh In, Well, I'm not even gonna say when, because

1001
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: who knows. They could get pushed back a little bit.

1002
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: Who who the heck knows? And who knows they're having

1003
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: a combine. But we do have the Senior Bowls in

1004
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and that should be a lot

1005
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Speaker 1: of fun. Paul, good stuff, My friend, appreciate it. John,

1006
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1008
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