1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's camera. This budget thing is going 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: to do nothing spaceports. I still think it's interesting President 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and politics colliding. 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Sound On with Kevin Cirelate, the insiders, the influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: than it looked in. You really have a divide within 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: Team Trump. The president has to do exactly what people 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: send him here to do, which is to get it done. 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: He's sound on with Kevin's He related on Bloomberg one 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven f m h D 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: two Botimore. Happy tax day, folks. Is it a happy 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: day if it's tax Day. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Bloomberg News 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. We 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: are talking all things taxes, all things trade. Japan's top 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: trade minister is set to be in Washington, d C. Plus. 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: President Trump headed to suburban Minneapolis this afternoon. He was 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: in He was in Congresswoman Elan Omar's neck of the woods, 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: and he he had Treasury Secretary Stephen Menusian with him 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: in tow the latest on what he had to say. 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: With an all star panel plus Mayor Pete Buddha Gedge, 22 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: he throws his hat officially into a crowded Democratic primary field. 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: Will get the latest for what that means for from 24 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: Kevin Walling, a Democratic strategist at also at h G 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: Creative Media, and Maddie Douppler, senior fellow at the National 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: Taxpayers Union and former Coalitions director for the House Republican Conference. 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: The images coming out of Paris absolutely devastating. Thankfully there 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: have been no reports of casualties, but uh these images 29 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: have really captured the world's attention as the Notre Dame 30 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: Cathedral has been engulfed in flames from the inside. Uh 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: no terrorists. Terrorism is not a suspect. We should note 32 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: that the Notre Dame Cathedral began construction in eleven sixty 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: and ended in the fourteenth century, and the fire began 34 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: in the structure of the monument that dates back to 35 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: the thirteen century. It's eight hundred and fifty years old. 36 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: It's one of the most popular tourist destinations in the world, 37 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: and it's a massive fire is ripping through the Notre 38 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: Dame Cathedral in central Paris. It toppled the spire of 39 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: again the eight hundred and fifty year old Gothic monument, 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: and has left France as well as Catholics around the world. 41 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: This is Holy Week, uh in in a state of 42 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: absolute morning. World leaders pouring in their responses, lawmakers as well, 43 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: and of course all of our thoughts are with the 44 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: people of Paris, and and of course of of this 45 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 1: of the Notre Dame Cathedral. It's terrible, terrible images that 46 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: we're seeing now broadcast worldwide. We will bring you the 47 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: developments for that as they happen. Uh. And I'll pivot 48 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: now back to domestic politics because President Trump, for his part, 49 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: also offering his condolences via Twitter, as well as the 50 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: First Lady Melania Trump, also sending her condolences via Twitter. 51 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: He was in Minneapolis today, suburban Minneapolis, on Tax Day, 52 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: and he took it as an opportunity with Treasury Secretary 53 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: Stephen Manuchian to tout the Republican tax plan. It's why 54 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled that we have our Wonky panel with 55 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: me for the hour. Kevin Walling is a democratic strategist 56 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: at H Street g Creative Media. Mattie Doubler is a 57 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: senior fellow at the National Taxpayers Union and former Coalitions 58 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: director for the House Republican Conference. And and Kevin, I 59 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: take it that you're gonna tell me that Republicans should 60 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: not be campaigning on a tax plan on tax Day. 61 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: But I want to play for you what President Trump 62 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: had to say earlier this afternoon. Here's the President, thanks 63 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: to our tremendous tax cuts, the biggest Minnesota families are 64 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: saving more than five billion dollars on their tax bills, 65 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: five billions. So President Trump clearly saying, Kevin that this 66 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: is something that has helped boom economic growth as well. 67 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: Let's provide economic confidence to consumers. Your response, Yeah, I 68 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: couldn't disagree with the present more. I mean, you look 69 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: at some recent scene and polling. The vast majority of 70 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: Americans on this tax Day have either seen no change 71 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: in their taxes or actually their taxes go up. So 72 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: thirty two percent of Americans are seeing an increase in 73 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: their taxes, have seen no change, and only pcent have 74 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: seen their their taxes go down. I think that's due 75 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: in large part two, the changes in the withholding nature 76 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: of of the tax system. So, you know, I don't 77 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: think this is a winning issue for the President. The 78 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: majority of Americans don't see the benefits of that tax bill. 79 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: The one percent and the corporations do. But of course 80 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: not so, Kevin. You're, of course talking perception. Let's talk reality. 81 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: We'll last names here today. Kevin's on the show Opportunity Kevin. So, 82 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: here's the thing. And if you saw the New York 83 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: Times piece today, they did a great job breaking this down, 84 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: which was articulating exactly who was benefiting from the Tax 85 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: Cutting Jobs Act. You know, four or five taxpayers actually 86 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: got a tax cut. You've got fifteen percent of taxpayers 87 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: who are pretty much held harmless by the Tax Cutting 88 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: Jobs Act, and then about five percent of tax players 89 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: were the ones who saw their tax bill rise. A 90 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: lot of consternation over the past couple of months with 91 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: tax filing season, we've seen the conflation between your tax 92 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: refund and your tax liability and whether or not those 93 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: two are the same thing. Spoiler, they are not. Your 94 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: tax refund is just an interest free loan that you've 95 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: given the government over the course of the past year, 96 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: and getting that back doesn't make you any richer or poorer. 97 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: Better off. It's just the money you didn't get to 98 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: invest or save over the course of that year. Let's 99 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: come up for because we dove into the weeds. But 100 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: here's what want to say, Kevin, Kevin Walling, a Democratic strategist, 101 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: what you're hearing from Maddie Doupbler is essentially, Republicans want 102 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: to cut your taxes, Democrats want to raise them, and 103 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: the era of democratic socialism and we're gonna get into 104 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: I'm serious, No, it's not a laughing matter. And in 105 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: the era where you have democratic socialists running for president 106 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: in a general election matchup, I mean ultimately in suburban 107 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: Minneapolis where the President was today, or suburban Philadelphia where 108 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: I grew up, which has swung to the left in 109 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: the in the last mid terms. But in terms of 110 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: the independent message Republicans Secretary minution, President Trump, they they say, 111 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: game on, let's have this debate every single day. How 112 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: do you respond to that debate? I respond by the 113 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: reality on the ground with these individuals paying their taxes. 114 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: You know, in the lead up to the mid term elections, 115 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: this president was campaigning with Kevin Brady saying that they 116 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: needed another round of tax cuts because they weren't performing 117 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: for middle class Americans. Those middle class Americans moved hardly, 118 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: flipping forty seats in these midterm elections based on economic standings, 119 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: based on healthcare, and I think that is going to 120 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: be a winning issue for Democrats. They're not seeing that 121 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: money returned to their pocketbooks. I think if you are 122 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: thinking about the economy and thinking it's going to be 123 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: good for Democrats in twenty most of the economic data 124 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: starting to indicate that might not be the case. I mean, 125 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: you have Goldman economists this weekend saying that there's more 126 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: likely than not chance that Trump gets re elected in 127 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: part because of the economy and also incumbency of course helped. 128 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: But you also had, uh, the the I m F 129 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: meeting that this weekend, where there was discussion about how 130 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the externalities on global growth have been resolved, 131 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: US China trades about to be resolved. The outstanding feature 132 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: here is European drag. But the American economy itself is 133 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: still taken along. They don't expect now a recession until 134 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: and that's good news for for for anyone up for 135 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: reelection and either party. You mentioned the I m F, 136 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: You mentioned Europe and European drag Tom Keane, my colleague 137 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: of Bloomberg Surveillance mentor of mine. You know, he is 138 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: locked eyes on what's what's happening in Europe, and in 139 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: fact what we've seen happen in Europe earlier today with 140 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: how the European Commission as well as Europe the top 141 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: trade commissioner for Europe, Cecilia Malstrom, has said she's going 142 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: to give the green light for for Europe and US 143 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: trade talks. But they are absolutely so worried about auto tariffs, 144 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: so worried that the President will be critical of the 145 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: World Trade Organization or to rip up other trade agreements. 146 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: And it's not just the Europeans who are concerned about 147 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: auto tariffs, it's also the Japanese. No, absolutely, and we 148 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: I think in Washington have been considering for some time 149 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: that once US China traders resolved, the question is what 150 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: is next for US an administration. We know that President 151 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: Trump wants to be able to make a statement on 152 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: the relationship with the EU. The last time he had 153 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: a dialogue with the EU was last July when Yuka 154 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: was here and they said they want no tariffs, no 155 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: trade barriers. But there's been no discussion ever since then, 156 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: and every bit of an awkward meaning that row garden meaning, 157 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: you know where everything seemed rosy and fine. But now 158 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: the next step, the next step of posturing from the 159 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: administration is that they want auto tariffs specifically targeted at 160 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: the European Union. I'm hopeful this president will take a 161 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: different tone. I mean, in the past, he's demonized the 162 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: European Union, he's demonized our partners in Japan, even though 163 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: that Prime Minister has spent so much of his own 164 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: capital trying to pony up to this president. I'm hopeful, 165 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, the Japan is the third largest economy in 166 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: the world, that we can work something out. I don't 167 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: think it's yet a done deal with the Chinese. It's 168 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: certainly not a done deal with NAFTA two, with the 169 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: Canadians and the Mexicans. I think we need to get 170 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: North America in line first before we pivot to the EU, 171 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: before we pivot to Japan. I was reporting on Blueberg 172 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: Television earlier today from the White House all about the 173 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: different trade fronts, and it's impossible to cover the US 174 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: europe trade talks, the US Japan trade talks without ignoring Kevin, 175 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: As you mentioned the China, the the massive shadow that 176 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: this has cast over the over the other trade fronts 177 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: that that we're facing now. To some extent, the president's 178 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: rhetoric within the past seventy two hours has signaled that 179 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: he might back off on some of the enforcement mechanisms 180 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: that he has discussed, most notably on keeping tariffs in place, 181 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: potentially to make sure to ensure that the Chinese continue 182 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: on with their agreement whenever that agreement will be the 183 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: to the bottom line, though, is that the president's thinking 184 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: is that there is He prefers bilateral trade agreements, which 185 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: is why you're seeing bilateral trade talks. But there's been 186 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: a multilateral response and that's why you're seeing the criticism 187 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: of the administration on trade policy, which is why aren't 188 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: the US and Europe ganging up on China together as 189 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: opposed to not. It's an open ideological debate, but it's 190 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: a fascinating debate to have. Nonetheless, the Notre Dame Cathedral 191 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: in Paris has caught fire, but we are following the 192 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:02,239 Speaker 1: breaking developments. Uh Tonight, the Associate Aided Press is reporting 193 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: that the structure of the Notre Dame Cathedral has been 194 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: saved and the fire has been stopped from spreading UH 195 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: to the northern portion of the cathedral. The AP is 196 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: also reporting that prosecutors believe the Notre Dame fire started accidentally. 197 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: This following horrific, horrific crushing images of seeing the spire, 198 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: the famous historic eight hundred and fifty year old spire 199 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: collapsing as the entire frame of one of the world's 200 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,479 Speaker 1: most visible symbols of not just France, but of Catholicism, 201 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: of unity worldwide on this Holy Week four Catholics is 202 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: set ablaze. Thankfully, there have been no fatalities yet to 203 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: be reported, and there is no reason to believe that 204 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: the blaze was not accidental. Again UH, the Associated repressed 205 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: the Associated Press reporting that prosecutors think that the fire 206 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: was started accidentally. The thoughts prayers pouring in from lawmakers here, 207 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: the President, the First Lady, as well as international worldwide. 208 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: French President of Manuel McCrone has canceled a planned speech 209 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: as well here domestically, the President also offering his condolences. 210 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: He was in suburban Minneapolis earlier this afternoon on Tax Day. 211 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: We were talking about taxes, about trade policy, also to 212 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: discuss immigration. Key developments over the weekend. We have an 213 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: all star panel with us for the hour. Kevin Walling, 214 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: Democratic strategist, Natty Duppler, Republican strategist, senior fellow at the 215 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: National Taxpayers Union and former Coalitions director for the House 216 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: Republican Conference. And I want to welcome into the conversation 217 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: Jorge Lima. He's a senior vice president of policy at 218 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: Americans for prost Pair, the conservative think tank here in town. 219 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: Uh and Jorge, I want to play for you a 220 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: clip from White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders about President 221 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: Trump's threat to bus illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities. And 222 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: this is something that is obviously captivated debate in the 223 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: US politics and White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders was 224 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: asked about it on ABC's This Week. Here she is 225 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: doing in a full and thorough and extensive review. The 226 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: President likes the idea, UM and Democrats have said they 227 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: want these individuals into their communities. So let's see if 228 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: it works and everybody gets a win out of it, okay? 229 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: Or I mean, why all of a sudden has this 230 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: idea been been circulated and boiled up into the national dialogue. 231 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: Thanks Kevin and pleasure to be here on the show 232 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: with all of you today. I mean, it's it's in 233 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: the weekend news and all this rhetoric because of politics, right, 234 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: And this is just another example of where the immigration 235 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: debate cantinues to fall victim to quite frankly, both parties 236 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: using it for political gain rather than really talking about 237 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: the significance that immigration plays in our country and trying 238 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: to bring folks to the table to actually solve it. Rather, 239 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: let's sit here and talk about wins and talk about 240 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: getting points um and making it all about whether someone 241 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: was doing something for political gain or not. That's a 242 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: sad part in the reality of why we haven't seen 243 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: significant changes to immigration reform for nearly thirty years now. Okay, 244 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: but is this a realistic idea? Because I think most 245 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: people hear it. They you know, they see the present 246 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: tweeting about it. They hear it in his rhetoric and 247 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: the idea of bussing undocumented immigrants to Nancy Pelosi's district, 248 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi's district, or or to 249 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: sanctuary cities. I mean the images of that and what 250 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: that conjures up. I mean it it is quite vivid, 251 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, I mean, it's vivid 252 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: that the truth is we've been buzzing undocumented immigrants to 253 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: different cities throughout the country past administrations as well, So 254 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: that does happen. The fact that maybe now they're going 255 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: to be us to specific sanctuary cities, UM in particular 256 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: moreover than others. I mean, it's it's real. It couldn't happen. 257 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: Do you think this is the type of pressure the 258 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: administration should take? No, I mean, I think we're talking 259 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: about UM immigrants that are human beings, and we're again 260 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: making them fall victim to the politics of our own 261 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: country versus trying to figure out how we can truly 262 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: address what's happening at the border, UM and immigration large. 263 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: It doesn't. Immigration is an issue that happens across our 264 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: country every day, not just at the border. Why aren't 265 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: we having discussions about why immigration is important to our 266 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: country and what we need to do to fix that 267 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: system so that everybody, not just immigrants, but also those 268 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: of us who are here can benefit from immigration or 269 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: Halima is the senior vice president of policy at Americans 270 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: or Prosperity, a conservative group here in Washington. D c. 271 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: He is previously UH served as strategic policy advisor to 272 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: Luis Fortunio, governor, the former governor of former former governor 273 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: of Puerto Rico. UH and he is a member. He 274 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: was also a soociate at Holland at Night. It's pretty 275 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: big law firm. You might have heard of it. Um 276 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: But but but in terms of where the the immigration 277 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: debate goes him here last week on Capitol Hill, I 278 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: was struck by this. The President's chief of Staff McK mulvaney, 279 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: Jared Kushner. He they were up on Capitol Hill meeting 280 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: now with Republicans with Democrats. Did I missed this? By 281 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: the I almost missed it. I didn't miss it, but 282 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: I was like, I misread the headline because I was like, wait, 283 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: they're meeting with Democrats, and actually Senator Dick Derban, Democrat Illinois, 284 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: comes out of the meeting tells reporters. You know, he 285 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: didn't essentially say there's no way, no how, going to 286 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: be a deal. He was a little pessimistic, but he 287 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: was It wasn't a no. But I'm very curious how 288 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: the administration horhead when rhetoric is so important, how they 289 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: expect to get some type of economic major manufacturing based immigration, 290 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: immigrant manufacturing backed immigration deal through. When these are the 291 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: types of images with with this type of debate, it's 292 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: like pouring gasoline on a wildfire. Well, it certainly doesn't help, right, 293 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: We keep we keep seeing that we take steps forward 294 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: on the immigration debate and then quickly fall right back 295 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: behind ourselves because it's just it's so tempting for folks 296 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: in elected office to use immigration for political game. Well, no, 297 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: and so that's I mean, I agree with you. We're optimistic. 298 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: It's great when you see folks like Jared trying to 299 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: have conversations on behalf of the White House across the board. 300 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: I know that he's hosted several convenience in the White 301 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: House that really had a broad spectrum of views on immigration. 302 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: We think that's positive. We think that's where it needs 303 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: to go. The more that the parties keep talking to 304 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: themselves about immigration, the least likely likelihood we're gonna have 305 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: of actually coming together and trying to get something done. 306 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: Who's talking to Steven Miller? Oh, there's plenty of people 307 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: talking to Steven Miller. That's the real question. Who who Who? 308 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: In the Who in the moderate wing of the White 309 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: House and the Republican Party are trying to bring because 310 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: when when you look at who as the president's here 311 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: on immigration, it would appear that it would be Steven Miller, 312 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: especially when you see the tweets, you hear, the rhetoric 313 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: you hear, you see the president at the border and whatnot. Look, 314 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: the truth is, we we differ with Stephen Miller and 315 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: some of his views on immigration. He should be in 316 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: the room because if at the end of the day 317 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: we're actually gonna try to put something forward, the fact 318 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: that he gets excluded means that we're just gonna continue 319 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: to rile love. Folks are gonna pose whatever happens. Let 320 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: them be in the room. Let's make sure we have 321 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: a debate that includes different points of view so we 322 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: can get something that actually gets some sort of support 323 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: once it passes. The debate is already on the campaign trail. 324 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: Democratic presidential candidate Petto Rourke. He was in South Carolina 325 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: on Saturday, keep battleground state, UH, and he was talking 326 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: about the issue of immigration. Take a listen to better 327 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: O Rourke. The genius of those who have now found 328 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: a home in this country. Um will be manifested in 329 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: those communities the great things that these migrants, these asylum secrets. 330 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: His refugees are going to do, the jobs, will work, 331 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: the jobs that they will create. That was Congressman better 332 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: over work. Former Congressman better over work. By the way, 333 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: he's going to be in Virginia on Tuesday and Wednesday, 334 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: Northern Virginia. I believe on Wednesday campaigning for president. We'll 335 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: have much more of the race coming up on the show. 336 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: The Hispanic vote for the Republican Party is crucial in 337 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: a primary. But but Hispanic voters, like many other constituencies 338 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: are are packed with independent voters. Is is this White 339 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 1: House at risk of losing a key part of the 340 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: swing vote given if with Hispanics, if they continue to 341 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: to take this rhetorical approach that we've seen when it 342 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: comes to busting immigrants of sanctuary cities, I mean, I 343 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: think both parties are at risk of losing the Latino vote. Right. 344 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: You're you're looking at folks who continue to use this 345 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: immigration thing almost as a carrot. And there are many 346 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: in the Latino community who are just frustrated. They want 347 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: to see something actually fixed. They don't want to continue 348 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: to either hear promises or hear threats. They want to 349 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: see someone who actually says, let's work on this issue. 350 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: Let's make it something we can come together on. Look 351 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: what Betso just said, there's a lot of truth to that. 352 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: These are human beings, and by and large immigration is 353 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: good for this country. And they bring a lot of contributions, 354 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: not just economic contributions, but across the board. They can 355 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: help communities. They are the ones who bring different types 356 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: of ideas allow all of us, again, not just the 357 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: immigrants alone, but those of us who are here also 358 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: be successful and lead more fulfilling lives. We believe that 359 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: there's the ability for them to help all people live 360 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: to their full potential, not just the immigrant, but those 361 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: who are here as well. Or Alma first time on 362 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: the program, first time, last time, where as a senior 363 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: vice president of Policy and Americans for Process parody. Breaking 364 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: news tonight, French President Emmanuel McCrone speaking in Paris. He 365 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: had canceled a planned speech this as the cathedral in 366 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: Paris has caught fire, no casualties, no fatalities, and authorities 367 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: believe that this was star it accidentally, but the spire engulfed, 368 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: collapsing uh world leaders all over the world. President Trump, 369 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: the First Lady, members of both parties here domestically offering 370 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: their condolences. It is believed, according to investigators, to have 371 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: started accidentally, and French President Emmanuel McCrone saying that there 372 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: are still difficult hours to come. He says that the 373 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: structure portion of the Notre Dame Cathedral has been saved, 374 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: and he says that the worst, however, at the cathedral, 375 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: has been avoided. There were some concerns and fears earlier 376 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: this afternoon that the entire structure would collapse. That has 377 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: been avoided. Firefighters have been able to to respond to 378 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: this scene of an eight hundred and fifty year structure 379 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: to save the largest portion of it. But the iconic 380 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: spire engulfed in flames, collapsing earlier this afternoon during Holy Week. 381 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: And this is a symbol not just for France, It's 382 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: not just one of the biggest tourist attractions in the world. 383 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: It is of course an important Christian symbol and one 384 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: for Catholics as they mark Holy Week. And French President 385 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: Emmanuel mccrone's telling reporters as we speak quote we will 386 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: rebuild no tradam here domestically. The president also offering his condolences. 387 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: He was in suburban Minneapolis earlier today to tout the 388 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: Republican tax plan on Tax Day. This as trade developments 389 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: domestically also occurring, with the Japanese Economic ministers set to 390 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: be in Washington, d C. This week, as trade disputes 391 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: around the world involving the United States continue to intensify. 392 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: We were talking about immigration earlier with an all star 393 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: panel Jorge Lema, senior vice president of policy at the 394 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: Conservative Americans for Prosperity, Matty Duppler, senior fellow at the 395 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: National Taxpayers Union and former Coalitions director for the House 396 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: Republican Conference, and Kevin Walling, a Democratic strategist at h 397 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: G Creative Media. And and actually I was struck by 398 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: how this is already beginning to impact the Democratic primary 399 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: seventeen plus presidential candidates, one of them Mayor Pete Buddha Gedge, 400 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: who threw his name into the race, and he was 401 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: asked about the wall. He of course, is the mayor 402 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: of South Bend, Indiana. Uh and and or hey, I 403 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: want to play for you what Mayor Buddha Jedge said 404 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: regarding the wall. Here's Pete Budajedge. We are here to 405 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: say that there is a lot more to safety and 406 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: security than putting up a wall from sea to shining sea. 407 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: So where I know, I know that what your argument 408 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: is is that immigration debate is much more nuanced and 409 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: deserves different political rhetoric. But this is the political season. 410 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: This is the Democrat at a primary season and those 411 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: type of taglines and how they play with independent voters. 412 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: This is the battle for the future of US immigration policy. Well, 413 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's more evidence again that folks 414 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: want to see this issue and use this issue, even 415 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: this conversation right about how it's going to impact We've 416 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: got eighteen nineteen months until the election. Are we're really 417 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: gonna do nothing on immigration for the next eighteen months? 418 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: I mean, why can't someone ask if they're trying to 419 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: appeal to independent voters, I know, the ones we've spoken 420 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: to will say, well, what are you gonna do before that? 421 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: Why is? Why do we have to wait another eighteen 422 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: months and then maybe, depending on how things look in January, 423 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: hopefully get something done. Why can't there be something done now? 424 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: This idea that we're still talking about a walt from 425 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: sea to see I mean, even the President has walked 426 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: that back let's move forward in the conversation rather than 427 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: keep coming back to what is a good sound bite. Well, hey, 428 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: it's your point. We're not waiting eighteen months. We're waiting 429 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: thirty years, right since the last time we had comprehensive 430 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: immigration reform, you know, you saw with the president. And 431 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: sorry to sound like a broken record here, but I 432 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: think that there's something instructive about the tax cutting jobs 433 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: at which is that it was also a generation since 434 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 1: we had last reformed the tax code. But taxes are 435 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: kind of part of the Republican lexicon, right, like there 436 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: was a familiarity here. Republicans don't have that. Democrats, I think, 437 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: have a little bit more consensus as to what their 438 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: immigration position is, but Republicans have not really fostered one 439 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: for the last several years when it became an issue 440 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: that people actually vote on. There's no consensus in the 441 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: Republican Party on immigration. So, yes, that was my question 442 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: of her. Do you think there are points that could 443 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: emerge as a consensus, because to me, that seems to 444 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: be the point where you need to start before you 445 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: can talk about walking get done in Congress. Absolutely, and 446 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: I think we would look at the model from criminal 447 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: justice reform. I think many people thought that that was 448 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: never gonna happen. Nobody really understood what they were going 449 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: to be doing on and yet you found the places, 450 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: as to your point of consensus, right now, everyone agrees 451 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: that dreamers need a solution, right, why can't we focus 452 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: on dreamers and decide, hey, let's move something forward. Maybe 453 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: not every buddy, but at least enough to get something passed. 454 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: Like you can figure out something on dreamers, you can 455 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: figure out something on border security. Now whether or not 456 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: folks want to actually go into that, particularly leadership folks 457 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: right who will find it very against the win for 458 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: them to want to do this right now in a 459 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: time that's, you know, so getting ready for elections. But 460 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: it can happen again. Nobody thought up until the day 461 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: before the first step back on criminal justice reform is 462 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: going to get past that it actually would get passed. 463 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: But it did. And listen to Jorge's point, we're not 464 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: that far away from consensus. In the United States Senate. 465 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: Let's not forget that they passed a comprehensive immigration reform 466 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: package just five six years ago, led by Marco Rubio, 467 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: Republican from Florida, and led by the Democratic leadership. We 468 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: had a bill on the floor that was passed by 469 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: the United States Senate Paul Ryan, and the Republicans in 470 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: Congress refused to bring up a vote on that bill. 471 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: And we're not that far away from that if we 472 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: brought that legislation back to the floor. And now we've 473 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: got Nancy Pelosi who's riding the House, the question is 474 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: what would her conference tollerate, And Jorge you said, you know, 475 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: we have consensus on Dreamers. That might have be the case. 476 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: We brought up Stephen Miller earlier and there was a 477 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: question of whether or not he's running immigration policy in 478 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: the White House. The President bristled at that suggestion when 479 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: he was asked by the press pool, and he's getting 480 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: on Air Force one. He said that, listen, there's one 481 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: person who makes immigration as the White House. That person 482 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: is me. So if Trump has decided that there's consensus 483 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: on dreamers and maybe even border security, he still needs 484 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: a coalition to get that done. Well, I mean to 485 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: your point, I mean there's people who have literally made 486 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: references to the Stephen Miller Jared Kushner debates in the 487 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: White House, referring to it as game of thrones and 488 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: who's going to outwin who The truth is, the President 489 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: is the one who sets the immigration narrative and sets 490 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: the immigration policy under this White House, and he has 491 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: said that he does want to find a solution for 492 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: one point eight million Dreamers and grant them citizenship. He 493 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: has said he wants to see legal immigration in this 494 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: country at the largest numbers ever. I mean we need to, Yes, 495 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: there needs to be a coalition that allows for folks 496 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: who are willing to go. There a space for them 497 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: to be able to speak about this and not think 498 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: that they only talking only talking to the folks. Inset 499 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: panel stays it's getting hated on immigration. I gotta be honest, 500 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: though the votes just simply aren't there. There is no 501 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: consensus as we speak within the Republican Party, especially in 502 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: the House of Representatives and in the Psycho The President 503 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: is not about to take a left turn on immigration 504 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: and work with Democrats. He's gonna have to listen to 505 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: that base or the end cultures of the world, as 506 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: we saw a couple of months ago, are going to 507 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: absolutely come after him. But whore I mean, I also 508 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: have to be honest here you mentioned Game of Thrones. 509 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: I've never seen an episode. I've literally never seen an 510 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: episode of Game of Thrones. I hear about it on Twitter, 511 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: never seen an episode. Breaking news tonight that we are 512 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: following French President and Mariel McCrone saying that quote will 513 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: rebuild no tread dome. This as authorities have been able 514 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: to save the largest portion of the cathedral and in 515 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: fact the Notre Dome Cathedral that has been engulfed in 516 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: flames for several hours now, an eight hundred and fifty 517 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: year old struck sure the world famous spire collapsing, engulfed 518 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: in flames. Authorities do not believe that this was UH, 519 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: that this was any type of terrorism, and that they 520 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: believe that it was an accident. French President Emanuel McCrone 521 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: speaking within the last half hours, calling on world's talents 522 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: to rebuild the Notre Dame Cathedral. President Trump joining world 523 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: leaders as well as lawmakers on UH in Washington to 524 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: offer their condolences, to send their condolences to France. Two Catholics. 525 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: This is of course Holy Week, and this was such 526 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: a symbol for so so many people of all faiths 527 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: around the world. Here, I'm Kevin cilli I'm Bloomberg, Chief Washington, 528 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. We're talking about 529 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: trade policy, immigration policy, taxes. On Tax Day, the President 530 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: was in suburban Minneapolis. He was discussing the Republican tax plan. 531 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: Pete Buddha Jete have you heard of him? Pete Buddha 532 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: Jete mayor he Buddha j Edge, the South Bend, Indiana mayor, 533 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: officially making an official and saying that he is now 534 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: a Democratic presidential candidate. Fascinating personal backstory. He is the 535 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: first openly gay presidential candidate to declare to run for office. 536 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: He has served in the Navy as a naval intelligence 537 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: officer in Afghanistan, previously working at McKenzie. A bit more 538 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: of a centrist than the likes of the Democratic socialist 539 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: Senator Bernie Sanders running. Kevin Walling is a Democratic strategist. 540 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: Maddie Dupler Republican strategist. Jorge Lima is a senior vice 541 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: president of policy at Americans for Prosperity. Kevin, talk to 542 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: me about where Mayor Pete fits in quickly in the 543 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: crowded democratic field. Yeah. Have I've been a fan of 544 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: Mayor Pete? You know, going back a decade when he 545 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: first ran for State treasurer of of Indiana. I think 546 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: he's carved out an interesting niche right now in terms 547 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: of engaging millennials. He's, as you said, thirty seven. He's 548 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: an Afghanistan or veteran. He raised seven million dollars out 549 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: of the gate in the first quarter, so serious, you know, 550 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: they're serious momentum and enthusiasm behind his candiacy. He's running 551 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: third in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and it's really 552 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: interesting to see. But how does he be Biden? How 553 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: does he be a betto? I mean, how does he 554 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: separate himself from the crowded field. Sure, I think there's 555 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: an age narrative that's, you know, going on. He's thirty seven, 556 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's going to be seventy seven. I think Bernie 557 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: Sanders is gonna be seventy eight or around that age. 558 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: And I think there's an interesting contrast on that debate 559 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: stage to see youthful energy, excitement from the Midwest in 560 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: this country. He's really rebuilt his city. He didn't move 561 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: to the coast. He came back to his own city 562 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: rebuilt it. His announcement was in a former student Baker 563 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: plant that was closed in the sixties. He's brought back 564 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: to his city. It's gonna be an interesting optics on 565 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: that debate. Yeah, he's got to convince Americans that he 566 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: can magnify a small town economic message on a global scale. 567 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: It's one thing to be the mayor of Chicago, New 568 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: York City, or even Los Angeles. It's another to be 569 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: on a small scale. Bettle of Rook's going to be 570 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: making a swing through Virginia tomorrow and Wednesday, and then 571 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: we get to Thursday. Mattie Doubbler, Republican strategists and Mueller Thursday. 572 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: We're getting the redacted version of the mull Report on Thursday. Yeah, 573 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: and Holy Thursday. But then you remember that because it's 574 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: Holy Thursday, is that both Chambers of Congress are out. 575 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: There's going to be there, no no one's here. There's 576 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: a vacuum to be filled. I suppose the Muller Report 577 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: will finally feel it. I'm so tired of the storyline. 578 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: I know that it's a little bit, uh prettymature potentially, 579 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: but I think that it's great to have it out there. 580 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: I think that it should be delivered quickly so that 581 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: we can continue to move past the Muller Report or whatever. 582 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: The dramatic narrative is that Democrats want to talk about 583 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: to get back to the issues that people actually care about. 584 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: You know, we mentioned Mayor Pete. The Midwest wants to 585 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: know about Indiana and these small cities that have recovered 586 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: from economic malaise over the past several generations. The President 587 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: wants to be talking about that, that's for sure. I 588 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: think that it's time that we've passed the law report. 589 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: All right, what's on your radar? You got less than 590 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: a minute, make it quick or just adding to that point. Right, 591 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a vacuum because folks won't be in Congress, 592 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: but there's no shortage of media microphones for all these 593 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: I like the officials out there, so this will still 594 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: be making the ways I think. Look, it's important to 595 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: remember that an open, more open government and a more 596 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: informed citizens rey is good. But what are they gonna 597 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: do with this report? Is it just going to keep 598 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: feeding this outrage culture or not outrage culture? This is 599 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: a positive program. Who right, first time on the show. 600 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for coming on, as well 601 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: as to Kevin Walling and Maddie Dubler. That's it for me. 602 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg.