WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Bobby Hurley 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.400 Hey everybody, it's Dave pass here with another edition of 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.320 the Dave Pash Podcast ESPN Arizona Cardinals played by play announcer. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.960 Our guest this week is Bobby Hurley, the head coach 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.560 of the Arizona Statement's basketball team and also the all 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.880 time assist leader in NC double A history. Bobby, of 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:24.640 course a great player at Duke, multiple national championships. We'll 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.640 talk about his time playing from Mike Shashevski, his time 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:32.200 in the NBA, and also his time scrimmaging the Dream 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.720 Team back in ninety two. We'll also talk about a 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.440 recent documentary called The Redeemed Team and some of his 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.840 takeaways from that, and we'll also get into the Sun 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:44.000 Devils and what to expect from Arizona State in twenty 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.720 twenty two twenty three. We have a pretty good chip 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:48.880 on our shoulder. A number of guys have a lot 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.599 to prove. I like our team. Frankie Collins has been 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.080 a really good addition. Point guard transfer from Michigan. Marcus 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.440 Bagley has been healthy. We have good size on the 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.040 front court, which I haven't always had here, and a 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.080 lot of positives that I'm seeing. 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Next step. Okay, time 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.240 for our conversation with Arizona State men's basketball head coach 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:50.960 Bobby Hurley. So I appreciate you, Bobb becoming at studio 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:52.600 to do this. I've had to use up like all 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:56.440 my favors to this podcast, so thank you for coming 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.600 in and doing it in person. I appreciate him. So, 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.400 since this is technically a football podcast, we're not going 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.480 to spend a ton of time on football, but I'm 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.800 assuming growing up in Jersey. It was either Giants or Jets. 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.640 But you're a Yankee fan, So does that mean Giants 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.200 because Giants and Yankees are connected or no. I took 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.160 a lot of heat in New Jersey because I was 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:20.400 I was a Cowboy fan, So yeah, really good in 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.320 the late seventies early eighties. My dad got me hooked 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.360 and he was a big Cowboy fan as well, so 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.760 it was great. The early nineties were awesome. I actually 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:34.600 one of my great memories was prior to our NBA 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.400 training camp starting, I was still in in New Jersey 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.760 training working out, and it was it was Monday night 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.240 football Giants Stadium to open the season, and it was 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:48.079 Cowboys Giants and it was Dion Sanders first game. So 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.800 I had my I had my Emmett Smith jersey on 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.760 and you know, people yelling at me because I was still, 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.000 you know, at the time, an NBA guy, so people 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.960 recognize who I was, and uh so, just maneuvering around 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.960 that stadium was really interesting. But I think Dion had 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.200 a pick six for a touchdown and like a punt 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.639 return for a touchdown, and I somehow finagled my way 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.519 into a box that was right next to Jerry Jones, 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.880 So it was it was like a dream come true 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.960 that that night and watching the Cowboys win thirty five. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.240 You and Dion are both coaches now. He's like an 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.880 ascending coach. He's going to get one of these big jobs. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.880 I mean, he's obviously knows the game and playing the 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.240 cornerback position, you're out there and you're seeing the whole field, 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.480 and defensively, I'm sure he's got great concepts, but he's 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.360 more such a dynamic personality. You would imagine from a 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.160 recruiting standpoint that it would be a home run to 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:42.920 to have him as your coach. Do you still follow 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.160 the Cowboys now? I assume you probably don't have a 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.320 ton of time with recruiting and now the camp started 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.240 and season starting soon to watch football, but not a 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.600 whole lot. I mean, my son Bobby is now a 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.200 Cowboy fan also, so he kind of fills me in 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.400 on what's what's happening. And I don't. I think we 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.840 lost Week one, but have played well at times. I 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.920 think the records decent, the defense is pretty good apparently. Yes, 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.840 Michael Parsons is a jest. Yeah, we need to get 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:10.440 you some gear. We need to like load up the 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.720 Hurley family or some Cardinals gear, so we can convert 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.400 you here before before the season's over. Did you play 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.440 football at all growing up? Obviously, your dad was a 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.120 legendary Hall of Fame high school basketball coach, so you 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.960 were playing basketball, you and your brother Danny, but football 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.400 at all while you were young. My dad played football 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.720 and high school and broke his leg and had a 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.720 bad experience with it, so he steered us away. We 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.400 would we would do some neighborhood stuff like back in 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.800 the day, like in the city something. We would go 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.120 play a different neighborhood. We'd have like five or six 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.400 guys go play, and it was kind of for like 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.880 bragging rights in the city. So I was pretty fast, 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.320 so I was like I was just running fly patterns 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.080 and stuff and or post like a deep post. But 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.200 I didn't want to get hit. So, well, man, you 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.640 were a great athlete and you've got this intensity, so 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.599 I got to imagine you had the intensity to play 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.680 football if you really wanted to. Yeah, I mean I 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.320 just again, it was not something that you know, I mean, 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.760 we would play. We'd play touch football in the street 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.960 and stuff, and so we always played, but nothing ever 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:13.880 formal for me in that way. So I got a 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:15.159 lot of stuff I want to talk to you about, 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.279 but the seasons starting soon, so let's talk a little 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.320 bit about the Devils. How's camp going and your thoughts 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.839 on what you've got in terms of your roster. Well, 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.960 I think, uh, you know, we have a pretty good 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.120 chip on our shoulder. A number of guys have a 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.640 lot to prove, starting right at the top. You know, 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.880 we've had two two tough years, so you know, we're 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:40.760 very hungry, very motivated. We've been practicing extremely hard, you know. 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.919 I I like our team. Frankie Collins has been a 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:48.200 really good addition point guard transfer from Michigan. Marcus Bagley 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.240 has been healthy. He had a really good practice today. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:52.680 So I think there are some positives. And we have 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.000 good size on the front court, which I haven't always 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.839 had here, and so you know, I think we could, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.440 you know, control the paint pretty well well. So I 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.200 think there are a lot of positives that I'm seeing 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.560 and still some things to work out. We're about a 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.880 week out right now, so we're looking forward to it. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.560 I know you're a non excuse guy, and I said 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.440 this many times the last couple of years on the 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.480 air doing games for ESPN that you guys were impacted 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.599 more by COVID I think than anybody COVID and injuries, 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.160 because twenty twenty, you guys are headed for the NCAA 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:23.760 Tournament for the third straight year. Would have been the 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.200 first time in almost sixty years at Arizona State COVID 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:31.040 hits injuries hit. Has it been hard to recover from 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.080 that to a degree? And again, we have been playing 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.000 so well the year they canceled the season initially, like 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.080 down the stretch in the Pac twelve, within the last 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.520 two weeks the regular season, we're playing for maybe a 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.320 chance to win the whole conference, you know, and going 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:50.000 on the road to UCLA and USC and then hit 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.720 the Pac twelve tournament, we're the three seed, and just 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.039 that tournament never happened, And so it leaves the doubt 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.600 and wondering what could have been from that year because 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.680 I think of all my team I've had here, that 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.120 team was probably playing the best late in the season. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.920 So disappointing not to get that. And then yeah, it 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.960 was a struggle with some things in COVID. Other schools 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.200 were impacted by it as well, just with injuries and stoppages, 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:17.080 and but it's been clear saleing so far, knock on wood, 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.120 and we're excited that. You know, it's a little bit 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.760 in the rear view mirror. Now you mentioned Bagley being back. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.800 How big is that because this kid, obviously his brother 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.080 was an incredible college player, number two pick in the draft, 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.000 and it seemed like he himself was heading in that 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.680 direction to be a very high draft pick before the injuries. Yeah, 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.400 very unfortunate timing injuries or he you know, he'd be 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.200 in the NBA right now, as you touched on. But 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:42.840 I think Marcus has been through a lot. There's been 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.320 you know a lot of struggle with the injuries, and 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:47.960 it's been frustrating for him. He's a great kid, he's 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.680 a hard worker, and you know, we're just excited for 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.080 him to hopefully have an opportunity to show what he 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.360 could do and uh and complete a season and and 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.600 help us win. I think a lot of guys that 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.920 have of NBA in their future sometimes could look past 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.440 the present and not be as invested. But he, you know, 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.120 he loves Arizona State. You know, his grandfather was one 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.440 of the legends, Joe Caldwell, and as a little kid. 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.840 He would always attend a issue games, so it's in 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.800 his blood and and you know he wants nothing more 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.520 to have a great season. I knew that about Joe Caldwell. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.240 Doug Tamar always has it in his notes. But if 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.800 you didn't know it, you would by working with Bill Walton, 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.120 because that's all Bill talks about. It's five times a game. 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.400 Like if you're playing Walton Bingo at home, you can 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:35.040 cross off the Michael Crow, Bobby Hurley and Joe Caldwell 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:39.280 squares by the ten minute mark, no doubt. It's yeah. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.440 I mean, I love Bill. It was great. I saw 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.000 him at Pack Towel Media briefly, and uh, it's always 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.640 fun and it's always so entertaining and unexpected you know 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.120 what what might be said? And uh, you know, I 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.400 think the game speaks for itself and it's entertaining. But 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.520 what you guys do and the back and forth I 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.160 think is it's classic might be said or what might 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:05.280 be done. You were there witnessing. So the cupcake you 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.480 guys beat. I think it was Washington there in the 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.840 top ten, and you guys beat him might have even 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.120 been like number one in the country. And he ate 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.040 the he ate the candle, the lit candle, and then 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:17.720 you came over, did an interview with it, and he 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.680 did it again for you. I still have the picture 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.120 the look on your face of you're in awe of it. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.000 But do you think because you yourself, I mean, you're 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.959 still the all time assist leader in college basketball history. 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:30.600 I mean you're one of the great players in the 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.640 history of college basketball. So is Bill Do you think 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.360 that you have a deeper appreciation for him because of 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.880 how good you were as a player? I mean, I 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.600 think because we kind of me we accomplished different things, 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.840 not exactly the same, but playing in those final fours 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.880 and championships, that's the like kind of a common bond, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.160 even though we didn't cross over in the same area. 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.240 So I always make sure the players understand who he 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.280 is when he's at our games and what he meant 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.439 to the game of basketball. He's he's a legend and 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.200 he loves I mean, he's I don't know if anyone 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.640 prepares as hard as he does for his telecasts. And 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.320 I don't think people realize that. You know, Doug Tamara 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.120 knows how much time he spends talking about our players. 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.000 You know, he wants to visit with them pre practice. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.080 You know, he really makes it makes us feel special. 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.040 You know, when he's in the gym, he does enjoy 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.679 the players. I mean, he's got sheets of paper everywhere, 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:26.200 and it is he has notes upon notes about a player. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.520 And one of our jobs is we are supposed to 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.600 humanize the student athlete. And he does a great job 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.640 of that because he's asking the players about their background, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.960 about their their families, and he gets the stories on 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.360 the air, and he does promote Arizona State. We know 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.280 he loves Michael Crowe. We're gonna hear that. But Anderson, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.720 I mean, so he is fully invested in making it 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.000 a commercial for the programs he's calling the game. And 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.760 I agree, and I think there should be more humanization 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.760 of it and of the players and their stories and 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.240 human interests. And you know, I'm sure there are people 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.200 that love the the tacticians that the xs and oh 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.439 guys that do the games. But Bill, I think is 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.240 a combination of both. So I mentioned that you're still 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.080 the all time assist leader in the NCAA, that that 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.920 record has been there for thirty years. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.680 scoring record is going down this year. In the next month. 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.640 Lebron James. I just did a game the other night 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:19.800 and we talked about it a lot. It was one 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.440 of it was the lost to Denver last week for Lebron. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.120 But that's a record that stood for thirty eight years 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.439 and it's going down. Your record stood for thirty years. 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.760 I don't know that it's ever going to be eclipsed 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.600 because not enough guys stay what do you think? That's 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.840 how I always say it. Really, I mean, I know 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.360 there are guys like Chris Paul that stuck around for 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.280 two years and you know, I could really pass. I 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.840 took pride in passing the basketball. It was it was 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.800 the one skill that I loved beyond any other to 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:53.000 make that dynamic pass, no look and showcase you know, 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.520 unselfishness and uh and the vision that I had out there. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.880 And I like to be liked by my teammates. So 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:00.760 you know, if you make a good pass and you 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.040 set them up for a shot, then you're usually you know, 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.920 well liked in the locker room. So but yeah, no 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.120 doubt it's it's gonna be tough to catch it. And 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.480 I think it's also all the NSA tournament games that 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.360 I participated in as a player. We were getting to 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.400 the Final four three straight years, so it's just you're 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.040 getting a lot of games compiled there. You're the second 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.440 duke a lump that I've had on this podcast. I 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.920 had JJ Reddick on last year. I just worked with 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.160 JJ last week. Really like working him. He's great. I 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:28.640 don't know how much you've seen him on TV, but 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.880 he's really he's outstanding. He's really I mean, he could 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:32.720 do this for a long time and be excellent for 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.520 a long time. He had some great Coach K stories 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.360 about Chavlick Randolph basically getting ripped by Kah. I don't 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.360 is there anything, I mean, it's been thirty years, but 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.920 I'm sure you have indelible moments that you can recall 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.000 about Coach K. Anything that stands out to you above 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.720 the others. Well, there's probably a couple. I think the 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.280 one was more when we just defeated you and LV 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.760 and they were They beat us the year before by 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.160 thirty points my freshman year in a championship game, just 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.400 humiliated in front of twenty million people, and now we're 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.640 back in the same spot about to play them. They're undefeated, 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.000 they're number one in the country and we're big underdogs 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.200 in that game, and we go out and play the 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.800 game of our lives and you know, a near perfect game. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.600 And I just remember, you know, the moments afterwards and 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.280 feeling like incredible, and then going to media with coach 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.600 and just he and I and saying, did we just 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:28.160 do that? You know, because he like really motivated us 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.800 that whole week. He was like, guys, I'm gonna I'm 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.959 gonna be talking up UNLV, how good they are, how 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.480 unbeatable they are, but we're going to kick their ass, 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.319 you know, on Saturday night. And really, like I get 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.480 chills thinking about like the type of motivational tactics he 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.120 used that week and getting us ready to play and 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.679 win that game. So that one was a special one, 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.920 and I think another one would be the Dream Team 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.320 week when I was selected one of eight players to 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.800 go scrimmage against the original Dream Team, and it was myself, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:03.000 Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Jamal Mashburn, Alan Euston, Chris Webber. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.840 I mean, we had a squad and we were real 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:10.400 nervous to play that game. The first scrimmage. I just 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.360 remember that that bus rolling up and there was hundreds 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.839 of people screaming for Jordan and Magic and all those guys, 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.680 and then we pull up in like a yellow school 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.360 bus and all cares where they are, and so we're 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.520 the Dream Team is going through their routine, and I'm 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.160 saying to myself, I'm real nervous, man. I'm like, maybe 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.640 these guys, they've won so much, they're not gonna go 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.680 that hard today. The first day, and they were going hard. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:38.280 I was like, the ball was just popping, everyone was talking. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.520 It looked like they had played together for like ten years. 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.560 So now I'm even more nervous. They gave me like 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.040 two minutes to warm up, and then we got to 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:50.240 play the Dream Team, and I remember just turning it 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:55.360 loose and I had some steals, some assists, layups. Everything 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:59.600 was clicking, and I remember I think I drove in 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.360 and lay the ball and we went up twelve, and 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.280 Chuck the alley called the time out, and I just 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.200 looked over at Coach k and he just he looked 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.480 like he always was in control. And I gave him 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.200 a look and he was like he almost looked at me, 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:16.680 like why can't you play this good when you're with me? Um? 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.360 But but that's like how I felt like, Wow, like 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:24.280 I just impressed Coach k That's pretty cool. So and 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.480 there was a story you've told before. Maybe maybe you 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.680 can go a little bit deeper here on your teammate 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.560 Christian Layter, who wasn't on your team, he's on the 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.200 Dream Team and Magic got mad at him. Is that 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.640 is that what happened? Like you beat him? Yeah, I wasn't, Dave. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.720 I wasn't going to share that. It is part of 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.840 what I just talked about. It was, Um, we had 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.080 went on a big run and and uh, you know, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.840 Christian and I had always you know, butted head some 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.920 and he, you know, he was hard on me, and 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.720 uh he could be an ass sometimes to play with, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:55.920 but but in a in a way that we always 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.720 pushed each other like and challenged each other and stuff. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.680 So it was probably good, but you didn't always feel 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.840 that way in the moment. So him being hard on me, 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.800 I had a little bit of payback. I came off 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:09.840 a high ball screen going to my left hand and 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.800 Christian was guarding the screener and his job is to 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.960 step out and make sure I just can't turn the 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.520 corner and go to the basket. He stepped out briefly, 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.320 but not long enough for Magic to get back in 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.320 front of me. So as soon as he left, I 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.600 just darted right down the lane and laid the ball 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.960 in and Chuck Daly called that time out. I looked 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.080 over a coach k and and then but the many 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.040 time Magic was tearing Christian the pieces, it was like, hey, 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.400 you rookie, you step out, you know, and it was 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.320 just it was crazy. And I had never seen anybody 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.040 like talk to Christian like that, so it was it 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.360 was a little in a sick way inside it it 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:49.280 felt good, Hey, it's the bully meeting somebody a little 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.760 bit bigger, right, you know, with a bigger rep. And 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.960 then he's a guy that you know, Magic is not 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:56.720 a guy that you say anything too, so he just 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.840 had to take it. Yeah, was there anybody particular that 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.680 you were in awe of? Do you remember like walking 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:04.760 and be like, oh my goodness, that's so and so. 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:06.639 I mean you again, you were a great player, and 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.119 you were top ten pick shortly after that, But was 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.960 there anybody that you were like man or when you 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.280 played the game or the practice and you were done, like, wow, 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.200 that guy's a lot better than I thought. Good question, well, 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.520 Jordan had my attention a lot like just I was 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.480 always looking where he is. I had the ball out 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.320 of my hands. I was always wondering what passed He's 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.399 going to try and steal and go dunk it. So 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.359 I was always trying to like think about where he 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.040 was on the floor. I had to guard him one 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.879 possession and he just he said, mouse in the house, 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:37.919 let's go get me the ball on the block and 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.840 he kind of did that that patented fadeaway jump shot 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.639 over me. That was a memorable one. I mean, I 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.200 don't know. The guys were really good, I mean, really 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:52.119 down to earth, asked them questions. You know, my brother 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.920 Dan had me on a mission to get some cards signed, 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.280 you know which trading cards, which you know, those guys 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.760 were great again about doing that, so it was pretty cool. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.080 David Robinson, man, he was a guy that was so good, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.480 a light on his feet. I don't know how he 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.639 blocked the shot of mine one time. I thought I 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.000 had to lay up and this guy, I don't know 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:11.840 where he came from, and the ball was like in 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:17.640 the third row. Scottie Pippen. It's another one. I realized 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.720 I was going to be in trouble if he was 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.560 guarding me in the NBA, because he laid off me 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.200 about three feet and with his wingspan as Billy to jump, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.440 he just blocked my jump shot. And then he was 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.400 laying far enough off me I couldn't go buy him, 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:34.480 So I basically couldn't do anything with him. Speaking of well, 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.600 first of all, before we get to the NBA, in 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.840 your time in the NBA, have you watched the Redeem 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.680 Team documentary on Netflix yet? Have you seen it? I have, Yes. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.879 I thought it was phenomenal. And the thing that stood 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.720 out to me about well two things was Kobe and 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:55.560 how that maybe changed players viewpoint of Kobe, because when 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.080 Kobe unfortunately passed, you had a lot of players talk 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.399 about how they used to pick his brain and how 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:04.520 helpful Kobe was to them, where before that it seemed 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.320 like he was kind of standoffish from those guys. That 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.400 stood out to me. And then the other was the 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.400 command the coach k had of that group, considering he's 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.280 a college coach with the greatest players in the world 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.920 and all future Hall of famers. Yeah, I just think, 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.520 you know, again, that was a great documentary, well done. 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.800 I think a great tribute to Kobe and and just 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.200 uh you know how it was portrayed, and just seeing 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.600 him jump over to scores table to save a loose 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.560 ball and what he did with Pau Gasol in that 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.320 first game and with something man runs him over. Yeah, 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.560 he tells the guys, I'm gonna run him over. It's 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.479 like one of his best friends. I mean I had 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.680 chills when I saw that. I mean that was big time. 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.240