1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's Dave pass here with another edition of 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: the Dave Pash Podcast ESPN Arizona Cardinals played by play announcer. 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Our guest this week is Bobby Hurley, the head coach 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Statement's basketball team and also the all 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: time assist leader in NC double A history. Bobby, of 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: course a great player at Duke, multiple national championships. We'll 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: talk about his time playing from Mike Shashevski, his time 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: in the NBA, and also his time scrimmaging the Dream 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: Team back in ninety two. We'll also talk about a 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: recent documentary called The Redeemed Team and some of his 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: takeaways from that, and we'll also get into the Sun 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: Devils and what to expect from Arizona State in twenty 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: twenty two twenty three. We have a pretty good chip 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: on our shoulder. A number of guys have a lot 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: to prove. I like our team. Frankie Collins has been 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: a really good addition. Point guard transfer from Michigan. Marcus 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: Bagley has been healthy. We have good size on the 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: front court, which I haven't always had here, and a 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: lot of positives that I'm seeing. 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All promotions 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: are subject to qualification and eligibility requirements. Please gamble responsibly. 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: Gambling problem called one eight hundred. Next step. Okay, time 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: for our conversation with Arizona State men's basketball head coach 32 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: Bobby Hurley. So I appreciate you, Bobb becoming at studio 33 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: to do this. I've had to use up like all 34 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: my favors to this podcast, so thank you for coming 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: in and doing it in person. I appreciate him. So, 36 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: since this is technically a football podcast, we're not going 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: to spend a ton of time on football, but I'm 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: assuming growing up in Jersey. It was either Giants or Jets. 39 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: But you're a Yankee fan, So does that mean Giants 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: because Giants and Yankees are connected or no. I took 41 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: a lot of heat in New Jersey because I was 42 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: I was a Cowboy fan, So yeah, really good in 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: the late seventies early eighties. My dad got me hooked 44 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: and he was a big Cowboy fan as well, so 45 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: it was great. The early nineties were awesome. I actually 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: one of my great memories was prior to our NBA 47 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: training camp starting, I was still in in New Jersey 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: training working out, and it was it was Monday night 49 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: football Giants Stadium to open the season, and it was 50 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: Cowboys Giants and it was Dion Sanders first game. So 51 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: I had my I had my Emmett Smith jersey on 52 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: and you know, people yelling at me because I was still, 53 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, at the time, an NBA guy, so people 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: recognize who I was, and uh so, just maneuvering around 55 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: that stadium was really interesting. But I think Dion had 56 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: a pick six for a touchdown and like a punt 57 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: return for a touchdown, and I somehow finagled my way 58 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: into a box that was right next to Jerry Jones, 59 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: So it was it was like a dream come true 60 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: that that night and watching the Cowboys win thirty five. 61 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: You and Dion are both coaches now. He's like an 62 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: ascending coach. He's going to get one of these big jobs. 63 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he's obviously knows the game and playing the 64 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: cornerback position, you're out there and you're seeing the whole field, 65 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: and defensively, I'm sure he's got great concepts, but he's 66 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: more such a dynamic personality. You would imagine from a 67 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: recruiting standpoint that it would be a home run to 68 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: to have him as your coach. Do you still follow 69 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: the Cowboys now? I assume you probably don't have a 70 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: ton of time with recruiting and now the camp started 71 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: and season starting soon to watch football, but not a 72 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: whole lot. I mean, my son Bobby is now a 73 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: Cowboy fan also, so he kind of fills me in 74 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: on what's what's happening. And I don't. I think we 75 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: lost Week one, but have played well at times. I 76 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: think the records decent, the defense is pretty good apparently. Yes, 77 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: Michael Parsons is a jest. Yeah, we need to get 78 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: you some gear. We need to like load up the 79 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: Hurley family or some Cardinals gear, so we can convert 80 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: you here before before the season's over. Did you play 81 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: football at all growing up? Obviously, your dad was a 82 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: legendary Hall of Fame high school basketball coach, so you 83 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: were playing basketball, you and your brother Danny, but football 84 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: at all while you were young. My dad played football 85 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: and high school and broke his leg and had a 86 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: bad experience with it, so he steered us away. We 87 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: would we would do some neighborhood stuff like back in 88 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: the day, like in the city something. We would go 89 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: play a different neighborhood. We'd have like five or six 90 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: guys go play, and it was kind of for like 91 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: bragging rights in the city. So I was pretty fast, 92 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: so I was like I was just running fly patterns 93 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: and stuff and or post like a deep post. But 94 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: I didn't want to get hit. So, well, man, you 95 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: were a great athlete and you've got this intensity, so 96 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: I got to imagine you had the intensity to play 97 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: football if you really wanted to. Yeah, I mean I 98 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: just again, it was not something that you know, I mean, 99 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: we would play. We'd play touch football in the street 100 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: and stuff, and so we always played, but nothing ever 101 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: formal for me in that way. So I got a 102 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: lot of stuff I want to talk to you about, 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: but the seasons starting soon, so let's talk a little 104 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: bit about the Devils. How's camp going and your thoughts 105 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: on what you've got in terms of your roster. Well, 106 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, we have a pretty good 107 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: chip on our shoulder. A number of guys have a 108 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: lot to prove, starting right at the top. You know, 109 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: we've had two two tough years, so you know, we're 110 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: very hungry, very motivated. We've been practicing extremely hard, you know. 111 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: I I like our team. Frankie Collins has been a 112 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: really good addition point guard transfer from Michigan. Marcus Bagley 113 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: has been healthy. He had a really good practice today. 114 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: So I think there are some positives. And we have 115 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: good size on the front court, which I haven't always 116 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: had here, and so you know, I think we could, 117 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, control the paint pretty well well. So I 118 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: think there are a lot of positives that I'm seeing 119 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: and still some things to work out. We're about a 120 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: week out right now, so we're looking forward to it. 121 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: I know you're a non excuse guy, and I said 122 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: this many times the last couple of years on the 123 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: air doing games for ESPN that you guys were impacted 124 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: more by COVID I think than anybody COVID and injuries, 125 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: because twenty twenty, you guys are headed for the NCAA 126 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: Tournament for the third straight year. Would have been the 127 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: first time in almost sixty years at Arizona State COVID 128 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: hits injuries hit. Has it been hard to recover from 129 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: that to a degree? And again, we have been playing 130 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: so well the year they canceled the season initially, like 131 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: down the stretch in the Pac twelve, within the last 132 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: two weeks the regular season, we're playing for maybe a 133 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: chance to win the whole conference, you know, and going 134 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: on the road to UCLA and USC and then hit 135 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: the Pac twelve tournament, we're the three seed, and just 136 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: that tournament never happened, And so it leaves the doubt 137 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: and wondering what could have been from that year because 138 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: I think of all my team I've had here, that 139 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: team was probably playing the best late in the season. 140 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: So disappointing not to get that. And then yeah, it 141 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: was a struggle with some things in COVID. Other schools 142 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: were impacted by it as well, just with injuries and stoppages, 143 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: and but it's been clear saleing so far, knock on wood, 144 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: and we're excited that. You know, it's a little bit 145 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: in the rear view mirror. Now you mentioned Bagley being back. 146 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: How big is that because this kid, obviously his brother 147 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: was an incredible college player, number two pick in the draft, 148 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: and it seemed like he himself was heading in that 149 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: direction to be a very high draft pick before the injuries. Yeah, 150 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: very unfortunate timing injuries or he you know, he'd be 151 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: in the NBA right now, as you touched on. But 152 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: I think Marcus has been through a lot. There's been 153 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: you know a lot of struggle with the injuries, and 154 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: it's been frustrating for him. He's a great kid, he's 155 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: a hard worker, and you know, we're just excited for 156 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: him to hopefully have an opportunity to show what he 157 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: could do and uh and complete a season and and 158 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: help us win. I think a lot of guys that 159 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: have of NBA in their future sometimes could look past 160 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: the present and not be as invested. But he, you know, 161 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: he loves Arizona State. You know, his grandfather was one 162 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: of the legends, Joe Caldwell, and as a little kid. 163 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: He would always attend a issue games, so it's in 164 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: his blood and and you know he wants nothing more 165 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: to have a great season. I knew that about Joe Caldwell. 166 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: Doug Tamar always has it in his notes. But if 167 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: you didn't know it, you would by working with Bill Walton, 168 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: because that's all Bill talks about. It's five times a game. 169 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: Like if you're playing Walton Bingo at home, you can 170 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: cross off the Michael Crow, Bobby Hurley and Joe Caldwell 171 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: squares by the ten minute mark, no doubt. It's yeah. 172 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I love Bill. It was great. I saw 173 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: him at Pack Towel Media briefly, and uh, it's always 174 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: fun and it's always so entertaining and unexpected you know 175 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: what what might be said? And uh, you know, I 176 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: think the game speaks for itself and it's entertaining. But 177 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: what you guys do and the back and forth I 178 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: think is it's classic might be said or what might 179 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: be done. You were there witnessing. So the cupcake you 180 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: guys beat. I think it was Washington there in the 181 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: top ten, and you guys beat him might have even 182 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: been like number one in the country. And he ate 183 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: the he ate the candle, the lit candle, and then 184 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: you came over, did an interview with it, and he 185 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: did it again for you. I still have the picture 186 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: the look on your face of you're in awe of it. 187 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: But do you think because you yourself, I mean, you're 188 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: still the all time assist leader in college basketball history. 189 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean you're one of the great players in the 190 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: history of college basketball. So is Bill Do you think 191 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: that you have a deeper appreciation for him because of 192 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: how good you were as a player? I mean, I 193 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: think because we kind of me we accomplished different things, 194 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: not exactly the same, but playing in those final fours 195 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: and championships, that's the like kind of a common bond, 196 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: even though we didn't cross over in the same area. 197 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: So I always make sure the players understand who he 198 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: is when he's at our games and what he meant 199 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: to the game of basketball. He's he's a legend and 200 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: he loves I mean, he's I don't know if anyone 201 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: prepares as hard as he does for his telecasts. And 202 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that. You know, Doug Tamara 203 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: knows how much time he spends talking about our players. 204 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: You know, he wants to visit with them pre practice. 205 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: You know, he really makes it makes us feel special. 206 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: You know, when he's in the gym, he does enjoy 207 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: the players. I mean, he's got sheets of paper everywhere, 208 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: and it is he has notes upon notes about a player. 209 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: And one of our jobs is we are supposed to 210 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: humanize the student athlete. And he does a great job 211 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: of that because he's asking the players about their background, 212 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: about their their families, and he gets the stories on 213 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: the air, and he does promote Arizona State. We know 214 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: he loves Michael Crowe. We're gonna hear that. But Anderson, 215 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean, so he is fully invested in making it 216 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: a commercial for the programs he's calling the game. And 217 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: I agree, and I think there should be more humanization 218 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: of it and of the players and their stories and 219 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: human interests. And you know, I'm sure there are people 220 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: that love the the tacticians that the xs and oh 221 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: guys that do the games. But Bill, I think is 222 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: a combination of both. So I mentioned that you're still 223 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: the all time assist leader in the NCAA, that that 224 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: record has been there for thirty years. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 225 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: scoring record is going down this year. In the next month. 226 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: Lebron James. I just did a game the other night 227 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: and we talked about it a lot. It was one 228 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: of it was the lost to Denver last week for Lebron. 229 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: But that's a record that stood for thirty eight years 230 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: and it's going down. Your record stood for thirty years. 231 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's ever going to be eclipsed 232 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: because not enough guys stay what do you think? That's 233 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: how I always say it. Really, I mean, I know 234 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: there are guys like Chris Paul that stuck around for 235 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: two years and you know, I could really pass. I 236 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: took pride in passing the basketball. It was it was 237 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: the one skill that I loved beyond any other to 238 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: make that dynamic pass, no look and showcase you know, 239 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: unselfishness and uh and the vision that I had out there. 240 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: And I like to be liked by my teammates. So 241 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, if you make a good pass and you 242 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: set them up for a shot, then you're usually you know, 243 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: well liked in the locker room. So but yeah, no 244 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: doubt it's it's gonna be tough to catch it. And 245 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: I think it's also all the NSA tournament games that 246 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: I participated in as a player. We were getting to 247 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: the Final four three straight years, so it's just you're 248 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: getting a lot of games compiled there. You're the second 249 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: duke a lump that I've had on this podcast. I 250 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: had JJ Reddick on last year. I just worked with 251 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: JJ last week. Really like working him. He's great. I 252 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: don't know how much you've seen him on TV, but 253 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: he's really he's outstanding. He's really I mean, he could 254 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: do this for a long time and be excellent for 255 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: a long time. He had some great Coach K stories 256 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: about Chavlick Randolph basically getting ripped by Kah. I don't 257 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: is there anything, I mean, it's been thirty years, but 258 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have indelible moments that you can recall 259 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: about Coach K. Anything that stands out to you above 260 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: the others. Well, there's probably a couple. I think the 261 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: one was more when we just defeated you and LV 262 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: and they were They beat us the year before by 263 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: thirty points my freshman year in a championship game, just 264 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: humiliated in front of twenty million people, and now we're 265 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: back in the same spot about to play them. They're undefeated, 266 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: they're number one in the country and we're big underdogs 267 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: in that game, and we go out and play the 268 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: game of our lives and you know, a near perfect game. 269 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: And I just remember, you know, the moments afterwards and 270 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: feeling like incredible, and then going to media with coach 271 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: and just he and I and saying, did we just 272 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: do that? You know, because he like really motivated us 273 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: that whole week. He was like, guys, I'm gonna I'm 274 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: gonna be talking up UNLV, how good they are, how 275 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: unbeatable they are, but we're going to kick their ass, 276 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: you know, on Saturday night. And really, like I get 277 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: chills thinking about like the type of motivational tactics he 278 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: used that week and getting us ready to play and 279 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: win that game. So that one was a special one, 280 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: and I think another one would be the Dream Team 281 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: week when I was selected one of eight players to 282 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: go scrimmage against the original Dream Team, and it was myself, 283 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Jamal Mashburn, Alan Euston, Chris Webber. 284 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we had a squad and we were real 285 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: nervous to play that game. The first scrimmage. I just 286 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: remember that that bus rolling up and there was hundreds 287 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: of people screaming for Jordan and Magic and all those guys, 288 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: and then we pull up in like a yellow school 289 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: bus and all cares where they are, and so we're 290 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: the Dream Team is going through their routine, and I'm 291 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: saying to myself, I'm real nervous, man. I'm like, maybe 292 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: these guys, they've won so much, they're not gonna go 293 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: that hard today. The first day, and they were going hard. 294 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: I was like, the ball was just popping, everyone was talking. 295 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: It looked like they had played together for like ten years. 296 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: So now I'm even more nervous. They gave me like 297 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: two minutes to warm up, and then we got to 298 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: play the Dream Team, and I remember just turning it 299 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: loose and I had some steals, some assists, layups. Everything 300 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: was clicking, and I remember I think I drove in 301 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: and lay the ball and we went up twelve, and 302 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: Chuck the alley called the time out, and I just 303 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: looked over at Coach k and he just he looked 304 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: like he always was in control. And I gave him 305 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: a look and he was like he almost looked at me, 306 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: like why can't you play this good when you're with me? Um? 307 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: But but that's like how I felt like, Wow, like 308 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: I just impressed Coach k That's pretty cool. So and 309 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: there was a story you've told before. Maybe maybe you 310 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: can go a little bit deeper here on your teammate 311 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: Christian Layter, who wasn't on your team, he's on the 312 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: Dream Team and Magic got mad at him. Is that 313 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: is that what happened? Like you beat him? Yeah, I wasn't, Dave. 314 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to share that. It is part of 315 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: what I just talked about. It was, Um, we had 316 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: went on a big run and and uh, you know, 317 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: Christian and I had always you know, butted head some 318 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: and he, you know, he was hard on me, and 319 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: uh he could be an ass sometimes to play with, 320 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: but but in a in a way that we always 321 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: pushed each other like and challenged each other and stuff. 322 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: So it was probably good, but you didn't always feel 323 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: that way in the moment. So him being hard on me, 324 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: I had a little bit of payback. I came off 325 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: a high ball screen going to my left hand and 326 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: Christian was guarding the screener and his job is to 327 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: step out and make sure I just can't turn the 328 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: corner and go to the basket. He stepped out briefly, 329 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: but not long enough for Magic to get back in 330 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: front of me. So as soon as he left, I 331 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: just darted right down the lane and laid the ball 332 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: in and Chuck Daly called that time out. I looked 333 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: over a coach k and and then but the many 334 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: time Magic was tearing Christian the pieces, it was like, hey, 335 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: you rookie, you step out, you know, and it was 336 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: just it was crazy. And I had never seen anybody 337 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: like talk to Christian like that, so it was it 338 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: was a little in a sick way inside it it 339 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: felt good, Hey, it's the bully meeting somebody a little 340 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: bit bigger, right, you know, with a bigger rep. And 341 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: then he's a guy that you know, Magic is not 342 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: a guy that you say anything too, so he just 343 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: had to take it. Yeah, was there anybody particular that 344 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: you were in awe of? Do you remember like walking 345 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: and be like, oh my goodness, that's so and so. 346 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: I mean you again, you were a great player, and 347 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: you were top ten pick shortly after that, But was 348 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: there anybody that you were like man or when you 349 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: played the game or the practice and you were done, like, wow, 350 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: that guy's a lot better than I thought. Good question, well, 351 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: Jordan had my attention a lot like just I was 352 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: always looking where he is. I had the ball out 353 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: of my hands. I was always wondering what passed He's 354 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: going to try and steal and go dunk it. So 355 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: I was always trying to like think about where he 356 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: was on the floor. I had to guard him one 357 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: possession and he just he said, mouse in the house, 358 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: let's go get me the ball on the block and 359 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: he kind of did that that patented fadeaway jump shot 360 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: over me. That was a memorable one. I mean, I 361 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: don't know. The guys were really good, I mean, really 362 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: down to earth, asked them questions. You know, my brother 363 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: Dan had me on a mission to get some cards signed, 364 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: you know which trading cards, which you know, those guys 365 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: were great again about doing that, so it was pretty cool. 366 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: David Robinson, man, he was a guy that was so good, 367 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: a light on his feet. I don't know how he 368 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: blocked the shot of mine one time. I thought I 369 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: had to lay up and this guy, I don't know 370 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: where he came from, and the ball was like in 371 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: the third row. Scottie Pippen. It's another one. I realized 372 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: I was going to be in trouble if he was 373 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: guarding me in the NBA, because he laid off me 374 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: about three feet and with his wingspan as Billy to jump, 375 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: he just blocked my jump shot. And then he was 376 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: laying far enough off me I couldn't go buy him, 377 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: So I basically couldn't do anything with him. Speaking of well, 378 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: first of all, before we get to the NBA, in 379 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: your time in the NBA, have you watched the Redeem 380 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: Team documentary on Netflix yet? Have you seen it? I have, Yes. 381 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: I thought it was phenomenal. And the thing that stood 382 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: out to me about well two things was Kobe and 383 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: how that maybe changed players viewpoint of Kobe, because when 384 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: Kobe unfortunately passed, you had a lot of players talk 385 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: about how they used to pick his brain and how 386 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: helpful Kobe was to them, where before that it seemed 387 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: like he was kind of standoffish from those guys. That 388 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: stood out to me. And then the other was the 389 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: command the coach k had of that group, considering he's 390 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: a college coach with the greatest players in the world 391 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: and all future Hall of famers. Yeah, I just think, 392 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, again, that was a great documentary, well done. 393 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: I think a great tribute to Kobe and and just 394 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: uh you know how it was portrayed, and just seeing 395 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: him jump over to scores table to save a loose 396 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: ball and what he did with Pau Gasol in that 397 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: first game and with something man runs him over. Yeah, 398 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: he tells the guys, I'm gonna run him over. It's 399 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 1: like one of his best friends. I mean I had 400 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: chills when I saw that. I mean that was big time. 401 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: You know his story when everyone went out in Vegas 402 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: and he's he's going down to the workout room at 403 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: five thirty when everyone's rolling in and the impact that 404 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: that had. So I thought there were a lot of 405 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: things that I really gravitated to that I could even 406 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: use to talk to my players because all my guys 407 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: like idolized Kobe and they watched it. So it was great. 408 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: But but Coach k was always brilliant, you know with 409 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: his messaging. You know, I think that he spends a 410 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: lot of time just making sure he could find ways, 411 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, to motivate his guys. So have you been 412 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: able to talk through that with some of your players 413 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: and what's their reaction been to some of the things 414 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: that they saw and now try to implement themselves. Yeah, 415 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: I mean we just I mentioned a few of those examples. 416 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: You know, talked about sacrifice a lot. You know, on 417 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: a good team, you have to sacrifice. And a guy 418 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: like Dwayne Wade, who's playing probably one of the best 419 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: players in the NBA's coming up the bench and he 420 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: handled that fine. So I think there's a lot of 421 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: good lessons that you could learn. And just seeing like 422 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: guys like Kobe just the willingness to do the little 423 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: things and the dirty work, and talking about guarding Genobley 424 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: and you know when he's maybe one of the great 425 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: scores of all time, but he took it personal to 426 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: try and shut him down in the game they needed 427 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: him to guard Manu. So there's a lot of things 428 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: that you could talk to your guys about. Coach k 429 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: Retires will go down as one of the greatest coaches 430 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: in the history of sports, one of the most successful 431 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: coaches in the history of sports. Can you talk about 432 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: the challenges that John Shire faces? Now, I mean you 433 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: played there, you know what it's like. It's it's probably 434 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: the toughest place to play maybe in sports for an opponent. 435 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: Because of the success and because of the proximity to 436 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: the fans, what do you think the challenges are for 437 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: John trying to keep that thing going because a lot 438 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: of times people say, you don't want to be the 439 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: guy that takes the job after the guy. Yeah, you know, 440 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: but John, obviously he's in a great spot getting that job, 441 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: which is one of the best jobs in college basketball. Yeah. Well, 442 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: I've been an assistant for three years before I became 443 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: a head coach, and there's when you slide one seat over, 444 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: it's a big difference. You know, you're you're completely in 445 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: charge of many more decisions instantly throughout the course of 446 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: the game. So there'll be a learning curve there. But 447 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, he's young, and you know he's been through 448 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: the wars with Coach k he sat next to him, 449 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: he's picked his brain. He's you know, he's got great energy, 450 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: so you know, and the recruiting has been very stable. 451 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's not like they've dropped off in terms 452 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: of getting the top talent. So that's definitely gonna help. 453 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: You mentioned being an assistant. You started coaching just a 454 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: little bit over a decade ago, and you know, obviously 455 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: we'll get into a little bit. You know, what happened 456 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: with your NBA career but there was that long period 457 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: of time where you weren't coaching. I want to touch 458 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: on that as well. But what finally clicked in terms of, 459 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, I think I want to do this because 460 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: obviously you've done very well as a head coach. Well, 461 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's something that I never knew I would 462 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: take basketball as far as I took it, I always, 463 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, my self esteem as a basketball player wasn't great, 464 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: Like I always didn't think I was good enough and 465 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: continued to push myself and never thought that I would 466 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: even get to the NBA. So coaching was always something 467 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: that I knew that I would want to go in 468 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: that direction because my dad was a long time high 469 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: school coach forty five years and in the Hall of 470 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: Fame as one of two high school coaches. So I 471 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: was around the game and that way my whole life, 472 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: and sat in those rooms with him after a bad 473 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: loss when he was steaming, and you know, I just 474 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: saw how much he wanted to learn the game and 475 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: invested time in doing it and watching film and all 476 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: the stuff he did. So I knew that it was 477 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: kind of my destiny to want to do that. But 478 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: with the NBA not going away, I had wanted to 479 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: with my career just kind of had a bad taste 480 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: in my mouth. I had the car accident that I 481 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: dealt with, and I was a little burnt out from basketball, 482 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: so I think I needed a little bit of a breather. 483 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: But deep down, like every March madness, I like I 484 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: was saying, Wow, I want to be coaching in the 485 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: NSA Tournament, and or in October I'm like wow, like 486 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: I should be coaching, and then I would be sidetracked 487 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: with other business stuff that I was doing. And but 488 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: certainly it was it was always itching at me to 489 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: want to do it. You mentioned the car accident, which 490 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: I know you've talked about probably more than you want 491 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: to over the last thirty years, happening in your rookie season, 492 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: very early on in your rookie season. Do you think 493 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: if that didn't happen, your career would have been longer, 494 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: or do you think because of kind of what you 495 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: said earlier, you lacked some self confidence that maybe it 496 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: wasn't going in the direction ultimately that you had hoped. 497 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: Regardless of that, well, I mean I think I was 498 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: leading all of all rookies would assist when it happened 499 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, I was starting, but I wasn't setting the 500 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: world on fire. I was struggling from the field shooting it. 501 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: I think we were still in the process of building 502 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: and putting pieces together there. I don't think it was 503 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: ready to be a winning situation. I was adjusting to that, 504 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: which was very tough. I went from hardly ever losing 505 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: any games to being, you know, one of the worst 506 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: teams in the NBA. So when it did happen, knocked 507 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: me back. It's hard to prepare for anything like that. 508 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: It was, you know, a len the recovery. I think, 509 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, I had a partial term my ACL which 510 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: didn't help. And I think the biggest injury though was, 511 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, I should have had a seat belt on. 512 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: I didn't have the belt on and was ejected from 513 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: the vehicle and so the impact of landing, you know, 514 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: did quite a bit of damage to my left shoulder 515 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: at some nerve damage in there. So just the my arm, 516 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: my left arm really didn't fire the same. I became 517 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: more of a right hand dominic guy. So there were 518 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: some things that came out of there that I just 519 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: tried to battle through. But we're not you know, ideal 520 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: in terms of trying to be an elite athlete at 521 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: that level. And I don't want to dismiss it all 522 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: what you're saying, because obviously there was a serious situation, 523 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: but you touched on something about I want to get 524 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: your take on this for somebody here like Kyler Murray 525 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: who won championships in high school, pretty successful, winning Heisman 526 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: Trophy at Oklahoma and struggling to win the team, struggling 527 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: right now, made the playoffs last year. But you know, 528 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: because you've been there, somebody that won championships and then 529 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out how to deal sometimes with 530 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: guys that maybe aren't on your level talent wise, and 531 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: trying to build a winner. How difficult. I mean, you've 532 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: done it at Arizona statement, there's a great example of 533 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: you doing in your coaching career, taking a program that 534 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: kind of was hovering around occasionally being on the bubble 535 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: too again without COVID three straight years in the NSA 536 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: Tournament for first time in sixty years. I just think 537 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: you've got to be stubborn, and you can never be 538 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: satisfied or accept losing, and it's just got to destroy 539 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: you inside. And I think the great competitors really you 540 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: know if they say they hate to lose more than 541 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: they love to win, and it's just it eats away 542 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: at them. So you know, as long as you have 543 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: that going in your belly, then then you're going to 544 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: figure out a way to get the job done. So 545 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: after your NBA career, before you got into coaching, you 546 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 1: were doing horse breeding. How involved were you were you 547 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: racing horses, Like, did you know everything there was to 548 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: know about it or were you just kind of a 549 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: casual observer. Well, it started for me back in high 550 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: school occasionally. You know, my mom worked, she was a 551 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: teacher assistant. My dad was a probation officer and a 552 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: basketball coach. So I had babysitter, and babysitter took Bobby 553 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: to the track, you know, which I don't know is 554 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: the greatest place to be taken. But um so I 555 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: saw the horses. I didn't understand what was going on. 556 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: You know, he was you know, he was betting, uh, 557 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, on the races and stuff and stuff. So 558 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: I had a little bit of a knowledge of it 559 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: at that point. I had a lawyer friend of mine 560 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: that was a thoroughbred owner and he was he sponsored 561 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: my ProAm team when I played in the NBA in 562 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: the in the Jersey Shore League and we were called 563 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: the Alan Hurst Barber's. Um. So you play for the 564 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: team and you get a haircut, you know eventually, you know, 565 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: once every couple of weeks. That was my my deal 566 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: with that team. It was actually the last game I 567 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: ever played in my life. Was was that game? I 568 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: tore my my ACL fiddle last time and had to 569 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: hang it up. But that was nineteen ninety eight nine. 570 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: Um So anyway, uh uh. Brian already had owned several horses. 571 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: He brought me to the track. He had this new 572 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: one that he loved, and and I was getting ready 573 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: to play my first NBA season and he had me 574 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: go to the workout. And you know, the horse looked fine. 575 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: It was running fast. But they're all out there running 576 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: and I don't really know the difference between which is 577 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: so um he said, do you want to invest? And 578 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: it was twenty thousand dollars I think, and I had 579 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: the check ready, and then at the last minute, I said, look, Brian, 580 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: I don't really I need to concentrate on basketball and 581 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: I don't really know what's going on, so I'm going 582 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: to take a pass on this and ended up that horse. 583 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: He invited me to watch her run and like this 584 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: huge race. It was a big purse like a year later. 585 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: So kind of filed that away and um, as my 586 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: basketball wind it down, I got more involved. I did 587 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: more research on it, and uh, it became a way 588 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: to substitute like the competitiveness that I had in basketball, 589 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: and kind of dedicated towards that. And they, you know, 590 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: trying to find something new to invest my time in. 591 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: Doing a few more quick ones and we'll get you 592 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: out of here, I know. He get filmed to watch 593 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: in a season to get ready for. In nineteen ninety six, 594 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: you were in a movie called Blue Chips, which I 595 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: think was the first time that there were that many 596 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: athletes together other than Space Jam right, which wasn't you 597 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: know it was animated and they've redone it since. Well 598 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: what do you remember about that? I think you were 599 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: playing for Indiana for Bob Knight in the movie. Yeah, 600 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: well a duke guy playing for Bob Knight. Yeah. I 601 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: was nervous about that because he's you know. And again 602 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: when I when I got there for the shoot, it 603 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: was all live footage, so we just played Shack and 604 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: Penny's team and they just they just shot raw footage. 605 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: So I didn't have to act, luckily because I got 606 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: no no skills there um. But he had a way. 607 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: Bobby Knight just had really a way of about him, 608 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: just presence about him. You just felt like a little 609 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: bit of intimidation just being around him. So I really 610 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: I had everything real basic and fundamental chess pass, bounce pass, 611 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: none of the over the head or behind the back. 612 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: I just put that all to bed. And but there 613 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: was one that was one story. It was pretty funny. 614 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: They take all the live footage and there's only one 615 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: stage shot at the end, and everyone wants to get 616 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: out of there and leave and go eat or whatever, 617 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: and so the director comes over and it's the lab 618 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: play there. They're getting that orchestrated and they throw it 619 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: the lob to Shack and he dunks it and then 620 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: they win and they go nuts and they store them 621 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: the court and everything. So we're in there and it 622 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: takes like fifteen twenty minutes to get the camera set 623 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: up in the right position, get the fans where he 624 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: wanted them, and the whole thing. So the director then 625 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: comes back in the huddle and he's like, all right, 626 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: we're ready for you guys now. So as we're leaving 627 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: the huddle to go back out, Bobby Knight grabs a 628 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: couple of guys and he says, grab Shack. Don't let 629 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: him get it the lab. So they run the play 630 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: and and and I forget Penny's thrown the lab to 631 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: Shack and and the ball just sails out of bounds 632 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: because something we just grabbed Shack and they're like cut, cut, 633 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, and h Then they had to reset all 634 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: the cameras again and everything and get the shot figured out. 635 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: So that was pretty funny, you know. I actually worked 636 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: some games with Bob Knight when he worked for ESPN, 637 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed working He was actually really good 638 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: to me. And it's funny because he put his arm 639 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: around me during an on camera and I other than 640 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: the Bill games, that's the most my phone has blown 641 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: up like Bob Knight, like you're you're being initiated into 642 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: the club. When Bob Knight puts his arm, I thought 643 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: he might hurt me first, but it was a gentle. 644 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: It was a gentle uh arm. I'm guessing Blue Chips 645 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: is better than Batman's versus Superman. Dawn of Justice. I 646 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: was in that. I don't know if you've seen it. Oh, 647 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that, so it's not good. Um, the 648 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: Zack Snyder cut, which is a movie that he wanted 649 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: to make. Ye, it's so if you if you get 650 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: the movie, there's Zack Snyder cut. We're in that football scene. 651 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: It's again I didn't have to act because I'm a sportscaster, 652 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: but we we introduced the Ben Affleck Batman like the 653 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: It's like between Superman getting in trouble for something that 654 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: maybe he did and they think maybe he's a bad 655 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: guy to now introducing Ben Affleck. There's a football game 656 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: that's going on and we're announcing it. But don't waste 657 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: your time. I'm gonna go look for it now. Much 658 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: more important things, I think to watch. Last thing, how 659 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: do you think you've grown in your time at Arizona 660 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: State eight years now as a as a head coach? Well, 661 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: I mean I think, uh, I think the last two 662 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: years have taught you a lot of lessons. They were 663 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: very frustrating and hard to live through. I think being 664 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: a little more tolerant, a little you know, a little 665 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: bit more forgiving, you know, on myself, And I think Uh, 666 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: that's been a plus. I think I'm showing a little 667 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: more patients, uh, towards the guys I'm coaching, and and 668 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: uh I think I've I only had one time technical 669 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,959 Speaker 1: last year. It was it was a big one. But 670 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: uh so I'm doing better I think with the officials 671 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: or trying and I don't know. I mean, I I 672 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: like our team this year. I think I've delegated a 673 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: little more. I think I've been too much of a 674 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: control I got to control everything, and I've given more 675 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: to Jermaine Kimbro for us defensively and giving him more 676 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: of responsibility my associate head coach, and that's freed me 677 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: up to focus in on our offense and special situations 678 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: and and just the overall field of the game. With 679 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: having to feel like you're in charge of everything. Well, 680 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: I always enjoy covering your team. So you're a class 681 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: act and I love watching you guys play. I'm hopeful 682 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: that you guys get back to where you were finally 683 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: through the injuries and everything and get back to where 684 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: you guys were a few years ago. I know we 685 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: have you guys a bunches here, so look forward to 686 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: seeing you in the season. Same here, Dave, thank you, 687 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: thanks man, appreciate you. A lot of subjects covered there 688 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: with Bobby Hurley, along with his time as an NBA 689 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: player and playing for Mike Shashevsky at Duke and going 690 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: up against the Dream Team. Some interesting stuff on what 691 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: he did after his playing days before he got into coaching. 692 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: It's also good to catch up about the Arizona State 693 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: Sun Devil basketball team. If you think about the injuries 694 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: and COVID what happened to Arizona State, they would have 695 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: been in the NCAA Tournament for the third straight year, 696 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: which would have been historic for the Sun Devils. Hopefully 697 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: they're back, and it sounds like based on what Bobby 698 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: was saying about the roster and the health of Bagley, 699 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: there's a chance Arizona State is among the contenders in 700 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: the Pac twelve again this season. We are presented by 701 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: bet MGM, the official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, 702 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: and by Hila River Resorts and Casinos. You can follow 703 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: us on Twitter at pashpod. 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