Speaker 1: I am all in again.
Speaker 2: Oh that's you.
Speaker 3: I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcast one
Speaker 1: to eleven productions. iHeartRadio, iHeart Media, iHeart podcasts. We are
Speaker 1: gonna visit with Shelley Cole and discuss season one, Episode eight,
Speaker 1: Love and War Air Day, December fourteenth, two thousand and
Speaker 1: Shelley Cole, How you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm well, it's do you want to see how pretty
Speaker 3: it is?
Speaker 1: Is it? Are you in Colorado and it's snowing? It's
Speaker 1: butt off. I got to show you. I always check
Speaker 1: the snow.
Speaker 3: Isn't that beautiful snow?
Speaker 1: To me? I would have to say, you know, you've
Speaker 1: done all the interviews, Jelly. They always ask you what
Speaker 1: similarit you have to the character you play? You identify
Speaker 1: with most? What traits that kind of thing? I'll tell
Speaker 1: you when it comes to snow. Me personally, I'm a
Speaker 1: Laura Lie.
Speaker 3: Oh you know that's which which really leads into this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I I identify I Snow brings me even
Speaker 1: more joy than what you saw her experience in this episode.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to be straight up honest I had
Speaker 3: never seen this episode before really, which was a real
Speaker 3: pleasure because I had never seen it. So, you know,
Speaker 3: I've been to some of the fan fests and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, and I've done a ton of like you said,
Speaker 3: a ton of the interviews. I did not know. I mean,
Speaker 3: this show, for God's sake, is such a fan like.
Speaker 3: I mean, fans just clamor over it. It's just amazing.
Speaker 3: So I never knew that I smell snow come from
Speaker 3: this episode, yep.
Speaker 2: Not also such an iconic line too.
Speaker 1: So is it's set up so beautifully. And I mean,
Speaker 1: if you didn't love the character of Loyal Eye for
Speaker 1: the first seven episodes, you fall deeply in love with
Speaker 1: her now. I mean it's just like anybody that can
Speaker 1: take a season and fall in love with the season,
Speaker 1: and this is this is I mean, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a fall winter show, let's face it. I mean, all
Speaker 1: of the data is in, you know, the streaming data,
Speaker 1: which I talk about sometimes, is really spikes for Gilmore
Speaker 1: Girls on Netflix beginning in the first week of September,
Speaker 1: and it just keeps going up up up through the winter.
Speaker 1: Per week viewership it's in the five six hundred million
Speaker 1: viewing minutes per week. Yeah, and it's because I think
Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with this episode.
Speaker 1: I think if anybody Okay, let's say you consume the
Speaker 1: first set episodes and you'll like it, but you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I'll give it one
Speaker 1: more shot. And they see this, they're in for life.
Speaker 1: They're in for life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank you. I love that you asked me
Speaker 3: to watch an episode and discuss an episode that I
Speaker 3: had never seen before. And then I'm not in because
Speaker 3: I'm in at least half the episodes for the first
Speaker 3: three full years and then two and the fourth year.
Speaker 3: So it was a pleasure to watch your reaction to
Speaker 3: Max and Laurel I walking together, to see how Luke
Speaker 3: it was so vulnerable and so really quite beautiful. And
Speaker 3: I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
Speaker 3: that Loralai inspires Luke to take the coffees and the
Speaker 3: you know, and and to be that nice guy to
Speaker 3: the you know, you know, all of those people that
Speaker 3: he just hates, this stupid symbolism of But I feel
Speaker 3: like it's he who inspired she who inspires him to
Speaker 3: do this. Is that correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. Does he does she maybe?
Speaker 3: I mean he's so pissed off during the meeting and
Speaker 3: he's like and he's all of that stuff, and they're
Speaker 3: describing an like that.
Speaker 1: Made that made me so happy because there's so much
Speaker 1: bad television. Now, yeah, there's a lot of good television.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of great but there's so much bad
Speaker 1: stuff out there that's so compromised. And so it's just
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing really interesting about it. There's no real
Speaker 1: thought behind it except for let's just make this as
Speaker 1: commercial and as soft as we possibly can to get
Speaker 1: the wide best audience. I mean, it's just like it's
Speaker 1: not even artistic. There's no art involved. It's just pure commerce.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but you know, I've watched a lot of
Speaker 3: television especially, you know, my downtime is so important to
Speaker 3: me because my job that I work now, I actually
Speaker 3: like to call it my work, because I don't like
Speaker 3: to call it a job. I work with in special
Speaker 3: ed department in the middle in high school here in Denver,
Speaker 3: and monkey and I do, and it is emotionally and
Speaker 3: physically taxing so much, and I and it's it's really
Speaker 3: important work, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. But
Speaker 3: it is hard work, and on my off time, I
Speaker 3: just come home and just just pass out. I'm so
Speaker 3: exhausted at the end of each day. And I just
Speaker 3: love to watch television right.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, it's it's it can be very very relaxing.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with a diplomat right now.
Speaker 3: I have before.
Speaker 1: It's just brilliant. She's great, rufus Sewell's great, Carrie Russell's great.
Speaker 1: Scripts are great. Everybody is great. If you're into that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. I love that kind of you know.
Speaker 1: I love anything that's smartly written about our world. Are
Speaker 1: that well, anything involving like the government.
Speaker 3: Did you ever watch twenty four?
Speaker 1: Nope? Sorry that it's just the ad campaign for that
Speaker 1: didn't It.
Speaker 3: Didn't, Okay, But anyway, I think what you the point
Speaker 3: that you were making was this well, and like I said,
Speaker 3: this episode was so compelling for me to watch and
Speaker 3: beautiful and perfect timing because I mean, this snow is
Speaker 3: coming just at the right time. It's our second snowstorm
Speaker 3: of the year. And and I love love snow and
Speaker 3: so magical and and I don't miss l a like
Speaker 3: at all, and I love having these seasons. But the
Speaker 3: thing that hit me most was how Luke had his
Speaker 3: vulnerability and how he just oh and you and you
Speaker 3: see it all in just one look. And I feel
Speaker 3: like that was the defining moment for the episode truly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because up to that point you always it was
Speaker 4: implied that Luke had a thing for Laura I. But
Speaker 4: then this time, you like really visually saw it, and
Speaker 4: that was your confirmation.
Speaker 1: When he when he tried to get her into the
Speaker 1: diner to have a cup of coffee, and then when
Speaker 1: she said no as a friend. He was doing it
Speaker 1: as a potential boyfriend. She was saying no as a
Speaker 1: has acquaintance. As a buddy. He was disappointed when she
Speaker 1: walked away.
Speaker 3: He was like, man, But for me, it was that look,
Speaker 3: oh no.
Speaker 1: No, I know, I know what you're talking about. And
Speaker 1: he saw them kissing. Yeah, yeah, listen, I lived that.
Speaker 1: We've all had that experience. We've all been that guy
Speaker 1: and gal and seen that and it's it's devastating. It's like,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm reading now and we're discussing with Shelley.
Speaker 1: Call ladies and gentlemen, this is this is Season one,
Speaker 1: episode eight, Love and War and Snow. Air date December fourteenth,
Speaker 1: two thousand, Susan, do you have it in front of you?
Speaker 1: Want to read the synopsis?
Speaker 4: Sure, Rory is stranded at her grandparents house by snowstorm.
Speaker 4: Lorelei spends the night with Rory's teacher, Max, and the
Speaker 4: townspeople re enact a revolutionary war battle. I had to
Speaker 4: put battle in air quotes there.
Speaker 1: Directed by Alan Meyer, beautifully directed by the Way, and
Speaker 1: written by Joan binder Weiss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely was directed by him, and I definitely
Speaker 3: was in at least one episode that she wrote. It
Speaker 3: was really fun to have been there from the very well,
Speaker 3: not from the very but like the first episode after
Speaker 3: I mean the launching of it on Warner Brothers lot
Speaker 3: and and from day you know, from day one when
Speaker 3: it was established that was it was such an honor
Speaker 3: to have that, just that privilege of being there from
Speaker 3: the very first episode and growing with the show and
Speaker 3: with the crew and with everybody from the little trailer,
Speaker 3: the casting trailer to the giant you know building that
Speaker 3: every you know that they eventually took up residence in
Speaker 3: this true honor too to get to to get that
Speaker 3: experience from just from the very start.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So here we are in the town meeting, all right,
Speaker 1: the first one, the first town meeting, and I mean
Speaker 1: there's classics. It was just this was the I think
Speaker 1: the funniest town meeting of them all. I mean, Taylor
Speaker 1: was funny and David Huddleston as the mayor was hysterically funny.
Speaker 1: So why don't you just go s leave the US
Speaker 1: today and go stand in line paper in the USSR luke,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's just like that was it was hysterical.
Speaker 1: The guy floored me.
Speaker 3: And I think that Lorli and Roy were only there,
Speaker 3: uh with their popcorner, their hot dogs or whatever to
Speaker 3: watch you. You were like, they're entertainment and they're ready
Speaker 3: for a show.
Speaker 1: They're ready for a show, and they I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: they set me up beautifully in this in this episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, what fun Because I don't remember it, you know,
Speaker 1: and but now when I see it again, I do
Speaker 1: remember walking out in the snow and serving them a
Speaker 1: callbe all the stuff. But man, what a what a
Speaker 1: great episode.
Speaker 3: And he looked darn you looked very handsome. You were
Speaker 3: easy on the eyes in that episode. Well not that
Speaker 3: you weren't, you know all the time.
Speaker 1: But that's when that's before my hair turned gray.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a few guys going into here.
Speaker 1: I used to have, you know, darker hairs.
Speaker 3: But we all did.
Speaker 1: But it was just such a great opening. It was
Speaker 1: such a great opening. All right. So now we're now
Speaker 1: we're in lurlized house and it's a middle of the
Speaker 1: nite and she comes downstairs. She's opened the windows, and
Speaker 1: she listens to a bunch of voicemails from Max Medina, right,
Speaker 1: and so she listens to these message messages underneath her
Speaker 1: blanket on repeat, and he how many Messages's saying, how
Speaker 1: many messages?
Speaker 2: I think it was just one, one message one?
Speaker 1: And she just kept there, okay, all right, and this
Speaker 1: is the first time. And then Rory comes down, Mom,
Speaker 1: you know it's what are you doing? It's it's freezing
Speaker 1: in here. Close the window. She goes, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: just just breathe, breathe, do you I smell snow. That's
Speaker 1: the first time we hear it. How iconic is this?
Speaker 3: It's iconic.
Speaker 1: This is where it happened, This is where she said it.
Speaker 3: Which which which is why my point is, I had
Speaker 3: not I did not know. I mean I always see
Speaker 3: associated with Gilmore girls I smell snow. I never connected.
Speaker 3: This was such a revelation for me.
Speaker 4: And I think she does say it in one or
Speaker 4: two other episodes too, So if you didn't know that,
Speaker 4: those weren't the first time, Like you don't know what
Speaker 4: you don't know, so you may have heard it different
Speaker 4: episode and thought, you know, that's that's.
Speaker 1: Where it started.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it started in this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then lauralized says the best things happened to her
Speaker 1: when it snows and sensorially speaking, But Lauren Graham is
Speaker 1: just really putting on a show. She's putting on a
Speaker 1: real display of acting talent. Because I'm feeling it too.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, man, I'm with you. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's the way I feel, and that's what you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if everybody in the northeastern part of
Speaker 1: the country feels the same way as she does, but
Speaker 1: I think they do in terms of their memory as
Speaker 1: children of their first and second and third snows in
Speaker 1: the magic.
Speaker 3: Of It, Emily hates every second of it right.
Speaker 1: It contrasts mother daughter. Emily hates it is hold up
Speaker 1: in her house. She's grouchy. They can't know. Nothing can
Speaker 1: function in snow, it's dangerous, the whole thing. But their
Speaker 1: daughter it's magic. So it really is beautiful writing and
Speaker 1: beautiful contrasting characters. You know.
Speaker 3: Actually that makes me ask the question, what is magical Emily.
Speaker 1: Order, power, etiquette, Yeah, well else status, but it's it
Speaker 1: probably isn't really it's that's not really magic, but I
Speaker 1: think it's her magic. Yeah, I really think this is
Speaker 1: a you know, we're starting to see that this is
Speaker 1: a journey of two people and completely different you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're related by DNA, but they're nothing alike.
Speaker 1: But there are some similar similarities, I guess. But Laurlai
Speaker 1: escaped and she's she's living a beautiful life, as she said,
Speaker 1: she's got a great life, she's got a great kid,
Speaker 1: and she's living the dream. And it has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with any anything Emily thinks or says or does.
Speaker 3: But you can see how Laurlai comes from Emily in
Speaker 3: their fierceness and.
Speaker 1: The absolutely yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That that that strength, uh is really beautiful And I
Speaker 3: do I really think that that the three generations of
Speaker 3: women and their strength speak volumes to just so many people,
Speaker 3: men and women and other alike. I mean kids in school, literally,
Speaker 3: kids in school. Uh and like I said, I work
Speaker 3: in a middle in high school. Kids in school. They
Speaker 3: they watch it, which is shocking to me. You know,
Speaker 3: they watch it with their mothers and et cetera. And
Speaker 3: and it speaks to them too, which is such an
Speaker 3: honor to be able to represent that.
Speaker 1: But the thing that really jumped out at me about
Speaker 1: this episode, and it does does this quite often as
Speaker 1: you as you watch it. This whole thing is set
Speaker 1: up in the snow globe world where nothing bad can
Speaker 1: happen and everything is good. Way to say, everybody's safe.
Speaker 1: And uh, there's so much humor to it. But these
Speaker 1: characters go there. They go to places that characters we're
Speaker 1: used to seeing in situations in towns and tonality of
Speaker 1: show like this don't go these characters go there. I mean,
Speaker 1: we go into the Dragonfly and Michelle's complaining about snow.
Speaker 1: He hates snow too. Oh, He's like Emily, how does
Speaker 1: he hate snow? He goes on a rant about you know,
Speaker 1: cannibalism and eating other people's butts to survive, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: who goes there in a family friendly I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's like couched in this family friendly thing. But the
Speaker 1: Palladinos are having all kinds of fun with like there,
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're quite extreme sense of humor, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that that kind of a joke or that
Speaker 1: kind of dialogue does not appear in these types of shows.
Speaker 1: And and Laurel I goes there. I mean, they're all
Speaker 1: going there, you know, and Luke is going there. It's like,
Speaker 1: for the love of God, how many times do we
Speaker 1: have to hear this? You know what I mean? The
Speaker 1: characters go deep. I mean, they are what's the what's
Speaker 1: the what's their phraseology? They are one hundred percent of
Speaker 1: who they are, and they're not ashamed of it. And
Speaker 1: and Amy and Dan gave us the freedom to go there,
Speaker 1: which I think is why the show is so funny
Speaker 1: and so compelling, because it doesn't really it doesn't it
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't really skew with like small town American life.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't you know what I'm saying. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine a French concierge in a place that you
Speaker 1: would frequent at a bed and breakfast that you and
Speaker 1: your husband go to a year, if your year, and
Speaker 1: then over here the concierge, the snooty French concierge talk
Speaker 1: about campbalism and each other's butts, and Suki go make
Speaker 1: a cake where just butts. You know this kind of
Speaker 1: thing the humor is is is incredibly rich, it is and.
Speaker 3: Those two are are so richly darkly funny, uh and
Speaker 3: and their their knowledge of pop culture is astounding. It
Speaker 3: kind of makes me think. I can't remember the name
Speaker 3: of the episode, but the episode where they sing that
Speaker 3: freaking song over and over and over and over and over,
Speaker 3: and I know that Milo's in that episode, and I
Speaker 3: think his character says something like, I think we'll stop
Speaker 3: alay this song. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Lazy hazy crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In this small town, funky little like just and do
Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about that they sing this
Speaker 3: lazy hazy m blah blah and it just goes right
Speaker 3: aund on a loop and drives the other bed crazy.
Speaker 1: All right, So we leave the dragon Fly and as
Speaker 1: we're leaving the kitchen, you know, Rory has come in
Speaker 1: to pick up the Rocky Road cookies for Dean and
Speaker 1: her mother, and Sukie tease the but Jesus out of her.
Speaker 1: The Dean and the love and the cookies and the
Speaker 1: Dean and the.
Speaker 3: Love and the cookies.
Speaker 1: And one of the best lines in the whole thing
Speaker 1: is when Laurela comes up to Lane in her band
Speaker 1: hat and uniform and says, hello, doctor Sergeant Pepper. That
Speaker 1: doctor Pepper, Uh, Sergeant Pepper.
Speaker 3: I like it when she says, she looks at her
Speaker 3: and she says, wow, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: So now we're on the bench, and you know, poor
Speaker 1: Lane is feeling like you ain't getting the FaceTime with
Speaker 1: the Ory Gilmour that she used to because this new tall,
Speaker 1: dark drink of water from Chicago has blown in from
Speaker 1: the Windy City, as it were, so there they are.
Speaker 3: She isn't paying attention to to to Lane at all.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, but she's got to understanding, Well, there's a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's it's youthful jealousy. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's perfectly understandable. And you know what, I've had the
Speaker 1: adults react the same way. I mean, they're no different,
Speaker 1: and you don't grow out of that. You know, if
Speaker 1: you have a good friend and then somebody muscles in
Speaker 1: and you know, catches your eye.
Speaker 3: Way, I'm still here, I still have problems.
Speaker 1: Ye, poor girl. I thought this was a great episode
Speaker 1: for Keiko too, really really strong, especially that scene in
Speaker 1: Rory's bedroom with Laura I and Lorela I mothering her
Speaker 1: and listening to her. I really enjoyed that scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too.
Speaker 4: It was great to see Lane have her own storylines
Speaker 4: and sidekick.
Speaker 1: Right, and it was really well written. And she's really good,
Speaker 1: isn't she. I mean you don't. You don't really see
Speaker 1: her acting.
Speaker 3: Ever, No, she's great on and offset. I've spent so
Speaker 3: much time with her, you know, party are you know,
Speaker 3: Gilmore girls parties and all that stuff. And she's just
Speaker 3: really true. She's very she's exactly what you expect, you
Speaker 3: get what you you know, exactly what she gives. She's
Speaker 3: she's really sweet person.
Speaker 1: Yeah she is.
Speaker 3: And I love that she's so funny and vulnerable in
Speaker 3: that giant hat. Just the hair Okay, well we're not
Speaker 3: that's the hair yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now she feels alienated and we get to
Speaker 1: the scene where it's nighttime. They're outside of styles Hollow
Speaker 1: High school. Band practice is over or maybe it's just
Speaker 1: beginning on it. No, it's over, and there's a there's
Speaker 1: rich was it bloom? Bloomenthal, Blumenfeld, blooming Felt and no
Speaker 1: bloom Blumenfelt, and she she runs her fingers through his hair,
Speaker 1: his unsuspecting head, and the look he gives her.
Speaker 3: Oh on fire. She's like, he's like what, like.
Speaker 1: Like what was that? And then she just runs away.
Speaker 1: I mean it was really funny. Oh, it's really funny.
Speaker 3: That was excruciating to watch. Yeah, ever, oh I know,
Speaker 3: and then she just books it out of there as
Speaker 3: soon as possible.
Speaker 1: All right, Susanne, you want to take take it from here.
Speaker 4: The scene ends with her running away, and then I
Speaker 4: think it goes to back to Richard Emily's house, right,
Speaker 4: and that's where Emily's on the phone with the chef
Speaker 4: and the chef can't come, and so Emily's like, oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, we're gonna what are we going to do
Speaker 4: now there's no one to cook for us, and uh,
Speaker 4: they find the frozen pizza.
Speaker 2: In the freezer.
Speaker 4: And I really liked the part at Richard and Emily's house.
Speaker 4: The several scenes connected because we really got to see
Speaker 4: with the parmesan cheese and all that, we got to
Speaker 4: see Emily getting.
Speaker 2: A glimpse of uh what Emily what?
Speaker 3: Laura?
Speaker 4: I and Rory's life is like like and she really
Speaker 4: likes the parmesan on the pizza, and so.
Speaker 2: She's having this realization that hey, maybe their.
Speaker 4: Life isn't all that bad, even though it's not what
Speaker 4: I wanted them to be doing.
Speaker 2: So I liked those scenes.
Speaker 3: Pick it up and eat it, you know, Okay, it's because.
Speaker 2: They're like using their knife and fork, and Rory's like,
Speaker 2: just pick it up and eat it.
Speaker 3: And then I think, Rory, which is so funny. I
Speaker 3: forgot that pagers even existed. Rory. Lane goes to Rory's
Speaker 3: house pages Pages Rory, Rory cllls her why didn't Lane
Speaker 3: go home?
Speaker 2: The pager thing? Just on one comment.
Speaker 4: I watched this episode last night with my husband, and
Speaker 4: my husband's.
Speaker 2: Like, well, how did how did Rory know that Lane
Speaker 2: was at her house? And I said, because of the pager.
Speaker 4: You put your number in where the person's gonna call
Speaker 4: you back, and so she put in their house number
Speaker 4: and that's how she knew where she was. But I
Speaker 4: had the same question, like, isn't missus Kim wondering where
Speaker 4: Lane is this whole time, Like there's there's a snowstorm,
Speaker 4: and wouldn't she be concerned that her daughter wasn't at home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think paid. The pager is something that missus
Speaker 1: Kim gave to Lane to so she could page for
Speaker 1: all the time. I found that a little confusing and weird.
Speaker 2: No, it was Rory's pager, so Lane used the phone.
Speaker 1: Rory has a pager.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Rory has a pager.
Speaker 2: Probably Emily gave it to her.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is two thousand, No, I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 3: Don't know when I had a cell phone for the
Speaker 3: first time. But it wasn't in two thousand. I think
Speaker 3: it was after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember.
Speaker 4: They do start using flip phones soon after that in
Speaker 4: the show. But yeah, I'm not sure why. As a
Speaker 4: high schooler Rory had a pager.
Speaker 3: I remember having one when we were on set, at
Speaker 3: least in those first two years or so. Oh my
Speaker 3: pager went off a bitter gool, They're looking for me.
Speaker 3: But that was funny anyway. So so so, then so
Speaker 3: this culminates into them having that moment with the high
Speaker 3: school like photo album, and and then Lore lies in
Speaker 3: that dress her coming out party or something that she
Speaker 3: eventually didn't make it too. Weirdly, it looked like a
Speaker 3: wedding dress to me too, and I guess she didn't
Speaker 3: go to the coming out party. And then that shuts
Speaker 3: that down because I guess she was pregnant, and that's
Speaker 3: sort of like what the whole scene was about, I
Speaker 3: suppose correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was definitely the implication.
Speaker 3: That was the mood killer of the evening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was a very stark scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very really beautifully acted by all. Yeah, but they were funny.
Speaker 1: I mean it was really funny. Richard's funny. He looks
Speaker 1: so young, didn't he?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't he look so young?
Speaker 3: And I love the first shot of him. You don't
Speaker 3: even see him, you just see the whole the whole
Speaker 3: screen is taken up by the newspaper and then he
Speaker 3: lowers it and there he is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it really just just great stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are what great writing? You know?
Speaker 3: What I struggled with during that scene is is how
Speaker 3: both Emily and Richard are so I guess shaken by
Speaker 3: the whole idea that Laura I never went to her
Speaker 3: coming out hard because she was pregnant. But then Rory
Speaker 3: is sitting right there. As a result of this pregnant,
Speaker 3: you know, this mistake that she made, and so that
Speaker 3: scene pulled me in two different directions. One like, Okay, well, yes, she,
Speaker 3: you know, made a mistake, but this is a result
Speaker 3: of this, this beautiful mistake. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think I think that's one of the central
Speaker 1: themes of this episode and of this show is you know,
Speaker 1: we see everybody in their pain, dealing with their pain
Speaker 1: and their anxiety and doing it in a really funny way.
Speaker 1: And you know, there again we have the Palladinos, you know,
Speaker 1: giving depth and and and so many layers to these
Speaker 1: characters because everybody's going through their pain and their frustration
Speaker 1: and it's entertaining to watch.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 4: And they were talking also in the scene about Emily's sister,
Speaker 4: so we got a little of Emily's background, and she
Speaker 4: seemed to like really miss her sister and so she
Speaker 4: was kind of in her feels a little bit, and
Speaker 4: so we were really kind of seeing their vulnerability there.
Speaker 3: Wait.
Speaker 1: But the beautiful part of it is is when they
Speaker 1: actually get to that picture of Lorella in her dress,
Speaker 1: and it all just stops and you can really see
Speaker 1: their pain and you can really and you know, you
Speaker 1: really feel for them because that's their daughter, and they
Speaker 1: had you know, whether they were you know, completely out
Speaker 1: of touch with their daughter or just sort of fifty
Speaker 1: percent out of touch with their daughter, whatever percentage it was,
Speaker 1: they still love her and they loved her back then,
Speaker 1: and that's their baby that they raise, and she was
Speaker 1: going to have her debutante ball and they were going
Speaker 1: to have their life the way they wanted it, and
Speaker 1: they wanted the best for their daughter. You know, judge
Speaker 1: them all you want now, but back then they really had.
Speaker 1: They were being you know, what they thought were great
Speaker 1: loving parents with their only child and spoil her rotten obviously,
Speaker 1: because that's what you do with your only child. They
Speaker 1: can hold the attention. And she was fierce and smart
Speaker 1: and you know, headed for greatness, you know, yeah, and
Speaker 1: a great life, and it all just got derailed and
Speaker 1: you just you could really feel the pain coming out
Speaker 1: of those two and you could hear the breaks, the
Speaker 1: screech of the breaks put on everybody's lives in that moment.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing I love about the writing on
Speaker 1: this show is you don't know when it's coming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, boom, a huge moment
Speaker 1: is revealed and it's just they're so good at this.
Speaker 1: They're so good at this. They really do surprise you,
Speaker 1: both on the humor side and the drama side. You know, God,
Speaker 1: I love this show. This I gotta say this is
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna say it right now. So far,
Speaker 1: of every episode besides the pilot that I've seen of
Speaker 1: this show, this is my favorite episode because it's it's
Speaker 1: it's beginning to really mature now, right the look of it.
Speaker 1: The characters are so definitive together.
Speaker 3: You really know, you're getting to know as a viewer,
Speaker 3: you're really getting to know them and to understand the
Speaker 3: whole spectrum of each and every one and how they
Speaker 3: all kind of come together as a as a sort
Speaker 3: of a family truly, like Kirk and you know, just everybody.
Speaker 3: I So, then we go to So then after that
Speaker 3: we go to Lorelai and she's you know, she's wandering
Speaker 3: around and she bumps into Luke and and he asks
Speaker 3: her to, you know, come on in. I think he
Speaker 3: softens up there, and then she chooses to wander around
Speaker 3: and then she just miraculously bumps into Maxi Mendino, whose
Speaker 3: car just you know, comes off the side of the road.
Speaker 3: You know just what concidence.
Speaker 1: There were a couple characteristics of this scene that I
Speaker 1: found both distracting and very interesting, and I think it worked. Okay,
Speaker 1: is that all of these Snow scenes were looped. We
Speaker 1: had the adr every single line of every single scene.
Speaker 1: But it didn't take me out of the show. I
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 3: No, I couldn't tell at all.
Speaker 1: Because because oh god, yeah, oh yeah, it was looped.
Speaker 1: And the scene between those two and Luke expressing his
Speaker 1: negativist as extraordinary negativism about the season and about Snow
Speaker 1: and about anything related to it. I don't know, what
Speaker 1: did you think of that? It's odd? He's an odd guy.
Speaker 1: What do you think of this guy? If you met
Speaker 1: a guy like this and he was talking to you
Speaker 1: in this way about reenactors, about Snow, about this, and
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the guy hates everything.
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on how long I've known him. And
Speaker 3: you know, I think we all know people who have
Speaker 3: a fairly negative outlook on life and and just kind
Speaker 3: of try to pick everything apart. But if upon first
Speaker 3: meeting him, I think I'd probably walk away.
Speaker 1: But if Okay, Shelley Shelley, Shelley Shelley as an actor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as an actor, maybe maybe I could have done that
Speaker 1: dialogue better. Maybe that was a quicker scene, hence the
Speaker 1: humor of it, because then he asked her for a
Speaker 1: cup of coffee to come on in the dinamy, because
Speaker 1: that what he was saying there, that's Luke's game. Like,
Speaker 1: is that your game? Bro's a good question.
Speaker 3: Would you do anything differently?
Speaker 1: I think I would. I think I would clip the
Speaker 1: dialogue much faster, okay, and much lighter, and not lean
Speaker 1: into it so much so that the joke could work,
Speaker 1: because I don't think the joke really worked. I kind
Speaker 1: of made it dramatic. So I made a choice not
Speaker 1: to go for the humor but go for the drama
Speaker 1: of the relationship. And I remember the conversation I have
Speaker 1: with the director now and he said, well, you know
Speaker 1: the style of show blah blah blah, And I said
Speaker 1: something to him like, you know what, for me, it's
Speaker 1: about the relationship and that he couldn't possibly be in
Speaker 1: a nervous or light hearted mood when he's in her
Speaker 1: presence because she makes him nervous and when he gets
Speaker 1: that way, he loses energy. Right, So that's how I
Speaker 1: justified it to the director. All right, okay, it would
Speaker 1: work either way, I think, but that's just kind of
Speaker 1: how I did it.
Speaker 3: I okay, all right, fair enough, but I'm going to
Speaker 3: know I do. I know what you mean, but I am.
Speaker 3: If it were me, I would leave it as it
Speaker 3: is because it helps us learn who Luke is, and
Speaker 3: it takes us on that journey through I mean, Luke
Speaker 3: goes on a massive journey throughout the course of this life,
Speaker 3: and a massive journey. I mean, you see Luke disgruntled,
Speaker 3: but you also get to see and know the beauty
Speaker 3: that the humanity that Luke really you know, the man
Speaker 3: that he really is. And I wouldn't change it for me.
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't change it because I think that it
Speaker 3: speaks to you know, like Scrooge. We get to know
Speaker 3: who Scrooge is. I think that Luke's got a lot
Speaker 3: of Scrooge in in a lot of ways. But I
Speaker 3: think that it enables us to go on the journey
Speaker 3: with him of truth, like of healing, of falling in love,
Speaker 3: of being. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's just a big wounded puppy and flannel in
Speaker 1: a backwards hat.
Speaker 3: I think he is a wounded puppy, But I think
Speaker 3: he becomes a real strong man, right.
Speaker 1: I think I think he has one part of his
Speaker 1: life where you know, he's solid with and he knows
Speaker 1: who he is. But on the romantic side, I think
Speaker 1: he's really really injured struggling. Yeah, injured struggling right.
Speaker 4: Right, He's definitely got a wall built around him that
Speaker 4: is impenetrable, and we don't know why that is, but
Speaker 4: we start to see in this episode, we start to
Speaker 4: get a little bit of that. Like, he clearly has
Speaker 4: some unresolved issues from his past, and so we get
Speaker 4: to kind of see some of that vulnerability because this
Speaker 4: whole reenactment thing is clearly triggering to him in some way.
Speaker 4: And so I think this really kind of shows, like
Speaker 4: you said, Shelley, his humanity and because I don't know,
Speaker 4: we've just seen him as kind of this curmudgeonly guy
Speaker 4: who's just always in a bad mood, and now we
Speaker 4: see a little bit of background.
Speaker 3: Yes, Scott, I don't think that that moment that I
Speaker 3: mentioned at the very start, that moment when he sees
Speaker 3: her and Max, I don't think that that the beauty
Speaker 3: of that moment would have landed as hard if we
Speaker 3: hadn't seen him as curmudgeonly as he was before, And
Speaker 3: I think that lended itself to really making that moment beautiful.
Speaker 1: No, I mean that's that's that's how that's how I
Speaker 1: would communicate it to directors. That was always my vision
Speaker 1: for the character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beautiful. Oh man, okay, where are we?
Speaker 1: You know, all of these characters take you to uncomfortable
Speaker 1: places at times. Yeah, but I don't think anybody did
Speaker 1: it better than Lauren. You know now she did, didn't
Speaker 1: she do it with such grace and ease? You know,
Speaker 1: it would change she was She was required to change
Speaker 1: courses so quickly, so many times within like thirty second period,
Speaker 1: marvelous to watch. And she really loves She's falling in
Speaker 1: love with Max Medeena. She really likes that guy. And
Speaker 1: those two are good together. Yeah, they are good together.
Speaker 1: They fit, don't they?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do, but until they don't, I mean yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I mean it really seems like this is going to happen,
Speaker 1: and she's just I mean, look, her perfect night is snow.
Speaker 3: He shows up and right, it's almost like fate.
Speaker 1: They want us to feel like this is fate, that
Speaker 1: Luke is not the fate he could be, but Max
Speaker 1: Medeena is the fate.
Speaker 3: Well, so I wanted to mention and I thought about
Speaker 3: this last night while I was watching her and both
Speaker 3: her with Luke and with max X and she Lauren
Speaker 3: had done so many pilots and et cetera, et cetera
Speaker 3: before the show, and this is the one that landed
Speaker 3: because I feel like all of the stuff that she
Speaker 3: had done before, she wasn't coming across as like sexy
Speaker 3: and you know, that sexy female lead and this in
Speaker 3: this show. And I think this is one of the
Speaker 3: reasons why the show really hit and why her career
Speaker 3: took off, was because in this show she is sexy
Speaker 3: and she's a woman, and she's so beautiful and attractive.
Speaker 3: And I think that she brought that because I remember
Speaker 3: watching those shows before, you know, and then they none
Speaker 3: of them would ever take off, And in this one,
Speaker 3: her sexiness and her appeal took off. Yeah, but we
Speaker 3: everyone knows she's going to end up with Luke. Everyone
Speaker 3: just knows it from that moment he looks across the
Speaker 3: snow at her. From that moment we know.
Speaker 1: That was That was a very heavy movie moment.
Speaker 3: That's movie magically the best moment of the show for sure, and.
Speaker 1: That moment, man, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you played it so brilliantly, so beautifully.
Speaker 1: Well, I've been that guy, I mean a couple of times,
Speaker 1: so I know what that feels like. It's bad. I
Speaker 1: remember once in high school that happened and I took
Speaker 1: a very long walk in a rainstorm to try to
Speaker 1: get over it.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful and you'll never forget it. I don't think
Speaker 3: we ever forget those moments where just our heart is
Speaker 3: just stabbed. Yeah, but to me falling down the stairs.
Speaker 1: So we're jumping around a little bit. We're not really
Speaker 1: going chronological. But so we did the Friday night dinner.
Speaker 1: We did the frozen pizza, you know, Rory Rory kind
Speaker 1: of introducing these very high falutin society people with a
Speaker 1: little frozen pizza, right, and it's like, you know, welcome
Speaker 1: to my world. Guys. It's not so bad. And maybe
Speaker 1: really the pizza for me was Lorelei and their frozen
Speaker 1: relationship with her that froze sixteen years ago, and let's
Speaker 1: thaw out that relationship and go ahead and let's you know,
Speaker 1: I want to be gross about it, but let's eat it.
Speaker 2: That's a good one though.
Speaker 1: Right, But it's like, hey, my mom, we used to
Speaker 1: be your daughter. Who you're so disappointed in? This stuff's good.
Speaker 1: This is how we live. You eat it now. It's mana.
Speaker 3: So Richard and Emily are the parmesan and ror Free
Speaker 3: is the greater. She's the facilitator between the pizza and
Speaker 3: the parmesan.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean even to the point where where that Rory
Speaker 1: did such a good sales pitch that she got Emily
Speaker 1: to go give a sales pitch to Richard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you must try to get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what it just it was a
Speaker 1: beautiful moment. It was just a really beautiful moment that
Speaker 1: that Rory opened Emily's eyes a little bit about who
Speaker 1: her mother was, you know, you know, and really really
Speaker 1: in a subliminal way, and but you know, very effective. Okay,
Speaker 1: more snow. So this is this is I think we
Speaker 1: talked about this, but it's a very touching scene. It's
Speaker 1: really an iconic scene. It was a ton of snow.
Speaker 1: Luke walks out, he sees the reenactors are freezing their
Speaker 1: butts off. He takes some coffee out to them. Uh,
Speaker 1: he hands he has a little struggle with Harry. Harry
Speaker 1: doesn't want to take one the the mayor, David Huddleston,
Speaker 1: and he finally gives me. He says, my dad would
Speaker 1: have taken one. Now we show how these people used
Speaker 1: to respect his father.
Speaker 3: And he took It makes me want to meet Luke's father.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, right, yeah, but you know we don't
Speaker 1: need to. No, it ain't my show, it's her show.
Speaker 1: That's Lauren's show. Yeah, you know, that's we meet their parents.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can get too into the weeds
Speaker 1: on well. Look, I think they balance that very well.
Speaker 1: And to keep the audience on it asking those questions
Speaker 1: I think is also great writing. It's what you don't
Speaker 1: write as well. Yeah, that's kind of brilliant. And then
Speaker 1: you know, Kirk orders to tea with lemon and here
Speaker 1: comes here comes the Palladino of humor again and a
Speaker 1: couple of guys wanted hot coke and looks like, oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can go get you.
Speaker 3: It looks like okay, sure.
Speaker 1: It turns into a very friendly situation all the way.
Speaker 1: So he goes from screaming at the mayor about why
Speaker 1: are we doing this junk every year? To out there,
Speaker 1: you know, just being friends. Yeah, so it's the season
Speaker 1: to come together as a community and sort of forgive
Speaker 1: and forget and all that stuff, and then the bad
Speaker 1: and it all comes to.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: I don't think we see Luke after that moment, correct, I.
Speaker 1: Think you're right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we do.
Speaker 1: I think you're right again. What you don't see? Great writing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he served his purpose. The character we used to its
Speaker 1: explicit purpose for this portion of the story telling. We
Speaker 1: don't need him anymore now we have these other stories
Speaker 1: to tell. It's like we told this story for this
Speaker 1: episode perfect economy. Character is perfect. All right, next morning
Speaker 1: we got problems. Well, we have a problem Max days overnight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, before the morning after, the night before. I think
Speaker 4: we touched on a little bit that scene with Lane
Speaker 4: and Laurel I.
Speaker 2: In Rory's bedroom.
Speaker 4: It's just it was just so good, Like Laura I
Speaker 4: is just giving her such good advice, you know, like
Speaker 4: this is just a practice humiliation for all the humiliation
Speaker 4: that's going to happen to.
Speaker 2: You as an adult.
Speaker 4: Like it just was such a nice moment and not
Speaker 4: something that Lane would have gotten from her own life.
Speaker 3: No, Laane needs to have Lane needs to be mothered
Speaker 3: like that sometimes and be told everything is going to
Speaker 3: be okay. I think if she had told her mom
Speaker 3: what happened. A first of all, he's this Jewish kid
Speaker 3: or whatever, you know, he's not Korean. And secondly, I
Speaker 3: think her mom would have just shamed her.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I can hear her saying, why are you touching boys?
Speaker 4: You know, I could totally hear that response for touching boys?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So I love that moment. That was really
Speaker 3: great for Lane. Got to go to sleep, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But overall, it was really a joy to see laurle
Speaker 1: I not mixed up in too many controversies during this episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, she kind of she kind of surfed and
Speaker 1: sailed through this episode pretty much unscathed.
Speaker 4: Right, she was definitely floating above everybody else.
Speaker 1: I think she was right. She was like floating on
Speaker 1: the snow throughout the whole episode, taking it in. Her
Speaker 1: mood was elevated. She was loving life. This is just
Speaker 1: a wonderful, wonderful thing to see because we're also used
Speaker 1: to seeing her, you know, arguing with her mother, having
Speaker 1: conflict here and arguing with it, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: all over the place, and that's what she does so well.
Speaker 1: But it was so nice to just see her go
Speaker 1: through the episode and love it, enjoy it. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing was going to bring.
Speaker 3: It down to see her just really her life and
Speaker 3: enjoy Max. And when she when when you know, when
Speaker 3: Rory comes home, I.
Speaker 1: Think, what a bonehead? Right, it's like how about this?
Speaker 1: But but it was really a funny scene at the
Speaker 1: door when she like runs out like I gotta tell
Speaker 1: you something.
Speaker 3: I just want to tell you you're English teachers in here.
Speaker 1: Then she backs into the house real so she goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: well anyway, so that's it was really brilliant And yeah,
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable situation and uncomfortable conversation she's in the kitchen
Speaker 1: with but Rory, you know, that's a tough that's a
Speaker 1: tough thing to deal with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, having seen that little picture that.
Speaker 1: Of Christopher Morelo from eighty three, nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: Three, Yeah, I don't think that she had seen that
Speaker 3: picture before.
Speaker 1: No, she found it and she put in her pocket
Speaker 1: and it just makes she feel for her so much.
Speaker 1: She mean, you know, it's like, what happened? Where's my daddy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, why is any around? More like what's going on?
Speaker 1: She's sort of used to it, but she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be used to it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and like her face at the very end,
Speaker 4: like you couldn't you could tell she was kind of torn.
Speaker 4: She's like, Okay, my mom's happy, but like.
Speaker 2: Where does this leave me? Like this is my teach teature.
Speaker 2: This is kind of weird.
Speaker 4: It's not my dad, you know, it's just you know,
Speaker 4: she just was in a lot of different places. And
Speaker 4: I think Alexis really played that that very last shot
Speaker 4: very well.
Speaker 1: But it's the beauty of the writing because you would
Speaker 1: have to say, as appealing as Laural I is, as
Speaker 1: appealing as Lauren Graham is, right, you give them a flaw,
Speaker 1: You give them a couple flaws, and it makes the
Speaker 1: human right. Yeah, that's the beauty of it. Right. If
Speaker 1: she was perfect, perfect, perfect all the time, would we
Speaker 1: not be oh so bored with these episodes because there
Speaker 1: wouldn't be anything happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Because of these flaws. You know, this breeds all of
Speaker 1: these wacky situations that are so you know, they're inappropriate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's TV, so we suspend our you know, our
Speaker 1: judgment a little bit, especially second time around.
Speaker 3: But there's so far I really think that apart from Luke,
Speaker 3: I think that Max is my favorite one fellow for
Speaker 3: her right. I lovely to watch them fall in love
Speaker 3: and sad.
Speaker 1: I think if Luke could no longer represent the United
Speaker 1: States as you know, mister America, I think that Max
Speaker 1: Medina would be a wonderful replacement.
Speaker 3: But it's super bittersweet too because we know that she's
Speaker 3: not going to end up with him forever. I mean
Speaker 3: I know that from the you know, we just know
Speaker 3: that he's a he's he's a you know, a page
Speaker 3: holder and until she gets to, you know, finally end
Speaker 3: up with Luke. But it's my he's my favorite of
Speaker 3: all of her page holders or placeholders, whatever that term is.
Speaker 3: You know, he's my favorite. That's why it's bittersweet to
Speaker 3: watch them fall in love because it's beautiful, and then
Speaker 3: we also know that he's not going to stick around.
Speaker 1: It's hard to get an audience to buy in to
Speaker 1: any kind of a relationship, you know, but you know,
Speaker 1: this show makes you buy into the potentially the Luke
Speaker 1: thing that gets you looking ahead for that uh and
Speaker 1: now they have you buying into something that's happening right now,
Speaker 1: which feels very organic and very real. Uh and kind
Speaker 1: of perfect, right yeah, and it's and it had to
Speaker 1: be that way. The stakes have to be really high
Speaker 1: for Luke and Lorelei. There has to be a worthy challenge. Sure, yeah.
Speaker 1: Otherwise where's the tension, you know, where's where's the competition.
Speaker 1: There's got to be some serious competition in this guy's
Speaker 1: serious competition.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would say with the with the with the viewers,
Speaker 3: I would say that Christopher is pretty pretty popular and
Speaker 3: you know whatever, but but for sure Max is my
Speaker 3: favorite besides Luke.
Speaker 1: You think Christopher is popular? Now he's hated? Oh god, yeah, well.
Speaker 3: Not the actor but the but the character.
Speaker 1: Is he really the characters loathed and despised? Uh yeah.
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't like the deadbeat badness.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, they don't like it.
Speaker 4: So they mean like Luke, or they mean like Lorelei
Speaker 4: and Chris as a couple.
Speaker 1: But right there is a faction that does like that
Speaker 1: as a couple because.
Speaker 4: They want and like, why would you want to be
Speaker 4: with a man that treated your daughter like that?
Speaker 1: So that that the Christopher relationship, the Christopher relationship throughout
Speaker 1: the series only serves to frustrate the audience, so they
Speaker 1: do it intentionally to the audience. They piss everybody off,
Speaker 1: so it pushes so their their desire for a Luke
Speaker 1: LORELEI interesting.
Speaker 3: I know, I remember when they were casting that was
Speaker 3: not well said?
Speaker 1: Was its great? You know you didn't hit the quite
Speaker 1: the bulls eye? We know what you mean.
Speaker 3: But I remember when they were casting that character of Christopher.
Speaker 3: Do you know you probably know this. I know that
Speaker 3: originally I think Amy really wanted Robert Downey Jr. To
Speaker 3: play that role. What, Yeah, I remember this very clearly.
Speaker 1: What Yes, I did not hear this.
Speaker 3: I really be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
Speaker 3: I remember that name being floated around and her really
Speaker 3: wanting to cast him as the ideal like Dad. I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously that didn't work out, and it wouldn't have worked
Speaker 3: out because of the you know, the long term, you know,
Speaker 3: arc of the character.
Speaker 1: But I remember that Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 3: As Christopher, Yes, I was. I need to fact check,
Speaker 3: but I'm almost positive that I remember that correctly.
Speaker 1: Who was who was the character? Wait a minute, I
Speaker 1: could see him as who was the guy who was
Speaker 1: who started a business with Richard? What was that character's named? Digger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see Robert Downey Jr. Digger right maybe, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it wasn't was it was in
Speaker 1: two thousand? Was it was Robert Downey Junior, a big
Speaker 1: movie star at that point. He was, wasn't he was?
Speaker 3: He? I don't think that he was iron Man then, No,
Speaker 3: but he was. He'd done Adeal maybe and.
Speaker 2: He was the name for sure, for sure?
Speaker 1: But was he? But yeah, because everybody was switching over
Speaker 1: to doing TV, all the film guys were, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: going over to TV.
Speaker 2: They started positive.
Speaker 3: I'm remembering this really, yes, I'm almost positive. Okay, just
Speaker 3: well we had well, while we're on it, boyfriends my
Speaker 3: least favorite of all time boyfriend that Laura I ever had.
Speaker 3: I don't remember his name. Great story, shall we? I
Speaker 3: can't remember his name?
Speaker 1: But how about his her date with Rune. You couldn't
Speaker 1: consider him a boyfriend though?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, she actually dated this Glics the coffee guy. No, no, no, sorry,
Speaker 3: I can't remember that. My phones out there so I
Speaker 3: can't look it up. Anyway, he was my least favorite.
Speaker 1: He was, well, describe him.
Speaker 2: He just he's just kind of like styles.
Speaker 3: He's just kind of it's it's not Jason Styles. I
Speaker 3: think it actually is. It's not. I can't, I can't
Speaker 3: finish this. But John Hamm, No, it's not John Hamm.
Speaker 3: I think John Hamm is outstanding looking. You're right, it is.
Speaker 3: It's Chris EigerMan.
Speaker 1: Is that is that Jason Styles? Who's Digger?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Digger.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know who Digger is, but whose Digger Styles?
Speaker 1: That was his nickname. Okay, so it's all all in
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 3: Oh my lord, we've brought all these puzzle pieces to Yes,
Speaker 3: he is the one that really really irked me as
Speaker 3: far as boyfriend.
Speaker 1: He's the one that had the fancy condo, but his
Speaker 1: kitchen was in his floyer.
Speaker 2: It was weird, yes, and he just.
Speaker 3: Had no game whatsoever, none, zero. So he was my
Speaker 3: last favorite of all.
Speaker 1: Now we know, take a towel off man. Well, all right,
Speaker 1: so Shelley, thanks so much. We're going to wrap it
Speaker 1: up here.
Speaker 3: It was a pleasure than you. That was.
Speaker 1: That was an action packed hour right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did. We talked a lot. We had metaphors,
Speaker 3: We talked about.
Speaker 1: All kinds of things. There was allegories, metaphors, narratives and
Speaker 1: universal themes mixed in with a lot of snow. Really
Speaker 1: so far, gotta say, besides a pilot that's always going
Speaker 1: to be my favorite, this is my favorite episode besides
Speaker 1: the pilot. What, Susanne, what do you think? You've seen
Speaker 1: them all multiple times? How does this rate? This episode?
Speaker 2: I do love this episode.
Speaker 4: That moment where Luke sees Lorelei and Max together, it
Speaker 4: just that just gets me every single time.
Speaker 2: It's moment.
Speaker 4: I think it's a great episode. It moves the story along,
Speaker 4: it establishes the characters relationships to each other. It's just
Speaker 4: it's foundational.
Speaker 1: Yes, great word, it definitely is, you know, a foundational show.
Speaker 3: That's where I started to fall in love with Luke
Speaker 3: m Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, what a what a great episode they wrote
Speaker 1: for me? Well, they didn't write it for me, but
Speaker 1: they wrote it. Well, maybe they do the character. I
Speaker 1: wrote it for the character. But anyway, so thank you
Speaker 1: for that, thank you for the episode, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Shall we have your time and all the best, and
Speaker 1: it's always a blast talking to you, And keep your
Speaker 1: tips up when you're scanning, and.
Speaker 3: You'll find me in the in the the lobby of
Speaker 3: the hotel, having.
Speaker 1: A you know, yeah, all right, well you know, same
Speaker 1: as a seat because we'll be coming in from the
Speaker 1: slopes anyway. Thank you, Susanne, thank you, Shelley, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's going to wrap it up here. Best fans on
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