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Speaker 1: I am all in again.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's you.

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Speaker 3: I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcast one

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Speaker 1: to eleven productions. iHeartRadio, iHeart Media, iHeart podcasts. We are

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Speaker 1: gonna visit with Shelley Cole and discuss season one, Episode eight,

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Speaker 1: Love and War Air Day, December fourteenth, two thousand and

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Speaker 1: Shelley Cole, How you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm well, it's do you want to see how pretty

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Speaker 3: it is?

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Speaker 1: Is it? Are you in Colorado and it's snowing? It's

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Speaker 1: butt off. I got to show you. I always check

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Speaker 1: the snow.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that beautiful snow?

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Speaker 1: To me? I would have to say, you know, you've

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Speaker 1: done all the interviews, Jelly. They always ask you what

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Speaker 1: similarit you have to the character you play? You identify

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Speaker 1: with most? What traits that kind of thing? I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you when it comes to snow. Me personally, I'm a

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Speaker 1: Laura Lie.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know that's which which really leads into this episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I I I identify I Snow brings me even

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Speaker 1: more joy than what you saw her experience in this episode.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to be straight up honest I had

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Speaker 3: never seen this episode before really, which was a real

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Speaker 3: pleasure because I had never seen it. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: I've been to some of the fan fests and stuff

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Speaker 3: like that, and I've done a ton of like you said,

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Speaker 3: a ton of the interviews. I did not know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this show, for God's sake, is such a fan like.

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Speaker 3: I mean, fans just clamor over it. It's just amazing.

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Speaker 3: So I never knew that I smell snow come from

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Speaker 3: this episode, yep.

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Speaker 2: Not also such an iconic line too.

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Speaker 1: So is it's set up so beautifully. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you didn't love the character of Loyal Eye for

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Speaker 1: the first seven episodes, you fall deeply in love with

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Speaker 1: her now. I mean it's just like anybody that can

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Speaker 1: take a season and fall in love with the season,

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Speaker 1: and this is this is I mean, it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a fall winter show, let's face it. I mean, all

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Speaker 1: of the data is in, you know, the streaming data,

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Speaker 1: which I talk about sometimes, is really spikes for Gilmore

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Speaker 1: Girls on Netflix beginning in the first week of September,

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Speaker 1: and it just keeps going up up up through the winter.

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Speaker 1: Per week viewership it's in the five six hundred million

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Speaker 1: viewing minutes per week. Yeah, and it's because I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with this episode.

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Speaker 1: I think if anybody Okay, let's say you consume the

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Speaker 1: first set episodes and you'll like it, but you're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I'll give it one

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Speaker 1: more shot. And they see this, they're in for life.

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Speaker 1: They're in for life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank you. I love that you asked me

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Speaker 3: to watch an episode and discuss an episode that I

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Speaker 3: had never seen before. And then I'm not in because

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Speaker 3: I'm in at least half the episodes for the first

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Speaker 3: three full years and then two and the fourth year.

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Speaker 3: So it was a pleasure to watch your reaction to

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Speaker 3: Max and Laurel I walking together, to see how Luke

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Speaker 3: I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think

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Speaker 3: that Loralai inspires Luke to take the coffees and the

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Speaker 3: you know, and and to be that nice guy to

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Speaker 3: the you know, you know, all of those people that

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Speaker 3: like it's he who inspired she who inspires him to

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Speaker 1: Made that made me so happy because there's so much

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Speaker 1: bad television. Now, yeah, there's a lot of good television.

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Speaker 1: there's there's nothing really interesting about it. There's no real

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but you know, I've watched a lot of

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, it's it's it can be very very relaxing.

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Speaker 1: It's just brilliant. She's great, rufus Sewell's great, Carrie Russell's great.

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Speaker 1: Scripts are great. Everybody is great. If you're into that

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Speaker 3: Didn't, Okay, But anyway, I think what you the point

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because up to that point you always it was

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Speaker 1: Call ladies and gentlemen, this is this is Season one,

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Speaker 1: episode eight, Love and War and Snow. Air date December fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: two thousand, Susan, do you have it in front of you?

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Speaker 1: Want to read the synopsis?

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Speaker 4: Sure, Rory is stranded at her grandparents house by snowstorm.

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Speaker 4: Lorelei spends the night with Rory's teacher, Max, and the

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Speaker 4: townspeople re enact a revolutionary war battle. I had to

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Speaker 1: Directed by Alan Meyer, beautifully directed by the Way, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely was directed by him, and I definitely

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So here we are in the town meeting, all right,

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Speaker 3: And he looked darn you looked very handsome. You were

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Speaker 1: This is where it happened, This is where she said it.

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Speaker 3: Which which which is why my point is, I had

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Speaker 3: This was such a revelation for me.

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Speaker 4: those weren't the first time, Like you don't know what

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Speaker 1: Where it started.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it started in this one.

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Speaker 1: And then lauralized says the best things happened to her

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Speaker 3: alay this song. Do you know what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Lazy hazy crazy.

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Speaker 3: In this small town, funky little like just and do

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Speaker 4: It was great to see Lane have her own storylines

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Speaker 3: And then I think, Rory, which is so funny. I

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Speaker 3: sort of like what the whole scene was about, I

436
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 3: suppose correct.

437
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was definitely the implication.

438
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: That was the mood killer of the evening.

439
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was a very stark scene. Yeah,

440
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: very really beautifully acted by all. Yeah, but they were funny.

441
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean it was really funny. Richard's funny. He looks

442
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: so young, didn't he?

443
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the same thing.

444
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't he look so young?

445
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: And I love the first shot of him. You don't

446
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 3: even see him, you just see the whole the whole

447
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: screen is taken up by the newspaper and then he

448
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: lowers it and there he is.

449
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it really just just great stuff.

450
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what are what great writing? You know?

451
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: What I struggled with during that scene is is how

452
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 3: both Emily and Richard are so I guess shaken by

453
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: the whole idea that Laura I never went to her

454
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: coming out hard because she was pregnant. But then Rory

455
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: is sitting right there. As a result of this pregnant,

456
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: you know, this mistake that she made, and so that

457
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 3: scene pulled me in two different directions. One like, Okay, well, yes, she,

458
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 3: you know, made a mistake, but this is a result

459
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: of this, this beautiful mistake. Yeah.

460
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: But I think I think that's one of the central

461
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: themes of this episode and of this show is you know,

462
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: we see everybody in their pain, dealing with their pain

463
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: and their anxiety and doing it in a really funny way.

464
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: And you know, there again we have the Palladinos, you know,

465
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: giving depth and and and so many layers to these

466
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 1: characters because everybody's going through their pain and their frustration

467
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: and it's entertaining to watch.

468
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 3: Sure.

469
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 4: And they were talking also in the scene about Emily's sister,

470
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 4: so we got a little of Emily's background, and she

471
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: seemed to like really miss her sister and so she

472
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 4: was kind of in her feels a little bit, and

473
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 4: so we were really kind of seeing their vulnerability there.

474
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 3: Wait.

475
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: But the beautiful part of it is is when they

476
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: actually get to that picture of Lorella in her dress,

477
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: and it all just stops and you can really see

478
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: their pain and you can really and you know, you

479
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: really feel for them because that's their daughter, and they

480
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: had you know, whether they were you know, completely out

481
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: of touch with their daughter or just sort of fifty

482
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: percent out of touch with their daughter, whatever percentage it was,

483
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: they still love her and they loved her back then,

484
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: and that's their baby that they raise, and she was

485
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 1: going to have her debutante ball and they were going

486
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: to have their life the way they wanted it, and

487
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: they wanted the best for their daughter. You know, judge

488
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: them all you want now, but back then they really had.

489
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: They were being you know, what they thought were great

490
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: loving parents with their only child and spoil her rotten obviously,

491
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: because that's what you do with your only child. They

492
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: can hold the attention. And she was fierce and smart

493
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: and you know, headed for greatness, you know, yeah, and

494
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: a great life, and it all just got derailed and

495
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: you just you could really feel the pain coming out

496
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: of those two and you could hear the breaks, the

497
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: screech of the breaks put on everybody's lives in that moment.

498
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: And that's the thing I love about the writing on

499
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: this show is you don't know when it's coming. Yeah,

500
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, boom, a huge moment

501
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: is revealed and it's just they're so good at this.

502
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 1: They're so good at this. They really do surprise you,

503
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: both on the humor side and the drama side. You know, God,

504
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: I love this show. This I gotta say this is

505
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna say it right now. So far,

506
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: of every episode besides the pilot that I've seen of

507
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: this show, this is my favorite episode because it's it's

508
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: it's beginning to really mature now, right the look of it.

509
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: The characters are so definitive together.

510
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 3: You really know, you're getting to know as a viewer,

511
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: you're really getting to know them and to understand the

512
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: whole spectrum of each and every one and how they

513
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: all kind of come together as a as a sort

514
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: of a family truly, like Kirk and you know, just everybody.

515
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: I So, then we go to So then after that

516
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: we go to Lorelai and she's you know, she's wandering

517
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: around and she bumps into Luke and and he asks

518
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: her to, you know, come on in. I think he

519
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: softens up there, and then she chooses to wander around

520
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: and then she just miraculously bumps into Maxi Mendino, whose

521
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 3: car just you know, comes off the side of the road.

522
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: You know just what concidence.

523
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: There were a couple characteristics of this scene that I

524
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: found both distracting and very interesting, and I think it worked. Okay,

525
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: is that all of these Snow scenes were looped. We

526
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: had the adr every single line of every single scene.

527
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: But it didn't take me out of the show. I

528
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: like it.

529
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: No, I couldn't tell at all.

530
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Because because oh god, yeah, oh yeah, it was looped.

531
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: And the scene between those two and Luke expressing his

532
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: negativist as extraordinary negativism about the season and about Snow

533
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: and about anything related to it. I don't know, what

534
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: did you think of that? It's odd? He's an odd guy.

535
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: What do you think of this guy? If you met

536
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: a guy like this and he was talking to you

537
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: in this way about reenactors, about Snow, about this, and

538
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the guy hates everything.

539
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on how long I've known him. And

540
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: you know, I think we all know people who have

541
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: a fairly negative outlook on life and and just kind

542
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: of try to pick everything apart. But if upon first

543
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: meeting him, I think I'd probably walk away.

544
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: But if Okay, Shelley Shelley, Shelley Shelley as an actor. Yeah,

545
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: as an actor, maybe maybe I could have done that

546
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: dialogue better. Maybe that was a quicker scene, hence the

547
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: humor of it, because then he asked her for a

548
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: cup of coffee to come on in the dinamy, because

549
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: that what he was saying there, that's Luke's game. Like,

550
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: is that your game? Bro's a good question.

551
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: Would you do anything differently?

552
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: I think I would. I think I would clip the

553
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: dialogue much faster, okay, and much lighter, and not lean

554
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: into it so much so that the joke could work,

555
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: because I don't think the joke really worked. I kind

556
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: of made it dramatic. So I made a choice not

557
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: to go for the humor but go for the drama

558
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: of the relationship. And I remember the conversation I have

559
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: with the director now and he said, well, you know

560
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: the style of show blah blah blah, And I said

561
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: something to him like, you know what, for me, it's

562
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: about the relationship and that he couldn't possibly be in

563
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: a nervous or light hearted mood when he's in her

564
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: presence because she makes him nervous and when he gets

565
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: that way, he loses energy. Right, So that's how I

566
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: justified it to the director. All right, okay, it would

567
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: work either way, I think, but that's just kind of

568
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: how I did it.

569
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: I okay, all right, fair enough, but I'm going to

570
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: know I do. I know what you mean, but I am.

571
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: If it were me, I would leave it as it

572
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: is because it helps us learn who Luke is, and

573
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: it takes us on that journey through I mean, Luke

574
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: goes on a massive journey throughout the course of this life,

575
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: and a massive journey. I mean, you see Luke disgruntled,

576
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: but you also get to see and know the beauty

577
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: that the humanity that Luke really you know, the man

578
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: that he really is. And I wouldn't change it for me.

579
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't change it because I think that it

580
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: speaks to you know, like Scrooge. We get to know

581
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: who Scrooge is. I think that Luke's got a lot

582
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: of Scrooge in in a lot of ways. But I

583
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: think that it enables us to go on the journey

584
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: with him of truth, like of healing, of falling in love,

585
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: of being. That's my opinion.

586
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: Maybe he's just a big wounded puppy and flannel in

587
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: a backwards hat.

588
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: I think he is a wounded puppy, But I think

589
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: he becomes a real strong man, right.

590
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: I think I think he has one part of his

591
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: life where you know, he's solid with and he knows

592
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 1: who he is. But on the romantic side, I think

593
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: he's really really injured struggling. Yeah, injured struggling right.

594
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 4: Right, He's definitely got a wall built around him that

595
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 4: is impenetrable, and we don't know why that is, but

596
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 4: we start to see in this episode, we start to

597
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 4: get a little bit of that. Like, he clearly has

598
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 4: some unresolved issues from his past, and so we get

599
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 4: to kind of see some of that vulnerability because this

600
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 4: whole reenactment thing is clearly triggering to him in some way.

601
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: And so I think this really kind of shows, like

602
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: you said, Shelley, his humanity and because I don't know,

603
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 4: we've just seen him as kind of this curmudgeonly guy

604
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 4: who's just always in a bad mood, and now we

605
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 4: see a little bit of background.

606
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: Yes, Scott, I don't think that that moment that I

607
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: mentioned at the very start, that moment when he sees

608
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: her and Max, I don't think that that the beauty

609
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: of that moment would have landed as hard if we

610
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: hadn't seen him as curmudgeonly as he was before, And

611
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: I think that lended itself to really making that moment beautiful.

612
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: No, I mean that's that's that's how that's how I

613
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: would communicate it to directors. That was always my vision

614
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: for the character.

615
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beautiful. Oh man, okay, where are we?

616
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: You know, all of these characters take you to uncomfortable

617
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: places at times. Yeah, but I don't think anybody did

618
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: it better than Lauren. You know now she did, didn't

619
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: she do it with such grace and ease? You know,

620
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: it would change she was She was required to change

621
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: courses so quickly, so many times within like thirty second period,

622
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: marvelous to watch. And she really loves She's falling in

623
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: love with Max Medeena. She really likes that guy. And

624
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: those two are good together. Yeah, they are good together.

625
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: They fit, don't they?

626
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do, but until they don't, I mean yeah, but.

627
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: I mean it really seems like this is going to happen,

628
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: and she's just I mean, look, her perfect night is snow.

629
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: He shows up and right, it's almost like fate.

630
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: They want us to feel like this is fate, that

631
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: Luke is not the fate he could be, but Max

632
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: Medeena is the fate.

633
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: Well, so I wanted to mention and I thought about

634
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: this last night while I was watching her and both

635
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: her with Luke and with max X and she Lauren

636
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: had done so many pilots and et cetera, et cetera

637
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: before the show, and this is the one that landed

638
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: because I feel like all of the stuff that she

639
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: had done before, she wasn't coming across as like sexy

640
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: and you know, that sexy female lead and this in

641
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: this show. And I think this is one of the

642
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: reasons why the show really hit and why her career

643
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: took off, was because in this show she is sexy

644
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 3: and she's a woman, and she's so beautiful and attractive.

645
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 3: And I think that she brought that because I remember

646
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 3: watching those shows before, you know, and then they none

647
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: of them would ever take off, And in this one,

648
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: her sexiness and her appeal took off. Yeah, but we

649
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: everyone knows she's going to end up with Luke. Everyone

650
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: just knows it from that moment he looks across the

651
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: snow at her. From that moment we know.

652
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: That was That was a very heavy movie moment.

653
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: That's movie magically the best moment of the show for sure, and.

654
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: That moment, man, Yeah.

655
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: And you played it so brilliantly, so beautifully.

656
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: Well, I've been that guy, I mean a couple of times,

657
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: so I know what that feels like. It's bad. I

658
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: remember once in high school that happened and I took

659
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: a very long walk in a rainstorm to try to

660
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: get over it.

661
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: That's beautiful and you'll never forget it. I don't think

662
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: we ever forget those moments where just our heart is

663
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: just stabbed. Yeah, but to me falling down the stairs.

664
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: So we're jumping around a little bit. We're not really

665
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: going chronological. But so we did the Friday night dinner.

666
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: We did the frozen pizza, you know, Rory Rory kind

667
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: of introducing these very high falutin society people with a

668
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: little frozen pizza, right, and it's like, you know, welcome

669
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: to my world. Guys. It's not so bad. And maybe

670
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: really the pizza for me was Lorelei and their frozen

671
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: relationship with her that froze sixteen years ago, and let's

672
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: thaw out that relationship and go ahead and let's you know,

673
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: I want to be gross about it, but let's eat it.

674
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: That's a good one though.

675
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: Right, But it's like, hey, my mom, we used to

676
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: be your daughter. Who you're so disappointed in? This stuff's good.

677
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: This is how we live. You eat it now. It's mana.

678
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 3: So Richard and Emily are the parmesan and ror Free

679
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: is the greater. She's the facilitator between the pizza and

680
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 3: the parmesan.

681
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

682
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: I mean even to the point where where that Rory

683
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: did such a good sales pitch that she got Emily

684
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: to go give a sales pitch to Richard.

685
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you must try to get it.

686
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what it just it was a

687
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: beautiful moment. It was just a really beautiful moment that

688
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: that Rory opened Emily's eyes a little bit about who

689
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: her mother was, you know, you know, and really really

690
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: in a subliminal way, and but you know, very effective. Okay,

691
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: more snow. So this is this is I think we

692
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: talked about this, but it's a very touching scene. It's

693
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: really an iconic scene. It was a ton of snow.

694
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: Luke walks out, he sees the reenactors are freezing their

695
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: butts off. He takes some coffee out to them. Uh,

696
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: he hands he has a little struggle with Harry. Harry

697
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: doesn't want to take one the the mayor, David Huddleston,

698
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: and he finally gives me. He says, my dad would

699
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: have taken one. Now we show how these people used

700
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: to respect his father.

701
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,479
Speaker 3: And he took It makes me want to meet Luke's father.

702
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, right, yeah, but you know we don't

703
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: need to. No, it ain't my show, it's her show.

704
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: That's Lauren's show. Yeah, you know, that's we meet their parents.

705
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: I don't think you can get too into the weeds

706
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: on well. Look, I think they balance that very well.

707
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: And to keep the audience on it asking those questions

708
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: I think is also great writing. It's what you don't

709
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: write as well. Yeah, that's kind of brilliant. And then

710
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, Kirk orders to tea with lemon and here

711
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: comes here comes the Palladino of humor again and a

712
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: couple of guys wanted hot coke and looks like, oh okay, yeah,

713
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: I can go get you.

714
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 3: It looks like okay, sure.

715
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: It turns into a very friendly situation all the way.

716
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: So he goes from screaming at the mayor about why

717
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: are we doing this junk every year? To out there,

718
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, just being friends. Yeah, so it's the season

719
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: to come together as a community and sort of forgive

720
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: and forget and all that stuff, and then the bad

721
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: and it all comes to.

722
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: Again.

723
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: I don't think we see Luke after that moment, correct, I.

724
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: Think you're right.

725
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we do.

726
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: I think you're right again. What you don't see? Great writing? Yeah,

727
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: he served his purpose. The character we used to its

728
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: explicit purpose for this portion of the story telling. We

729
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: don't need him anymore now we have these other stories

730
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: to tell. It's like we told this story for this

731
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: episode perfect economy. Character is perfect. All right, next morning

732
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: we got problems. Well, we have a problem Max days overnight.

733
00:41:52,239 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, before the morning after, the night before. I think

734
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: we touched on a little bit that scene with Lane

735
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: and Laurel I.

736
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: In Rory's bedroom.

737
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 4: It's just it was just so good, Like Laura I

738
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: is just giving her such good advice, you know, like

739
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 4: this is just a practice humiliation for all the humiliation

740
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: that's going to happen to.

741
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: You as an adult.

742
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 4: Like it just was such a nice moment and not

743
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 4: something that Lane would have gotten from her own life.

744
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: No, Laane needs to have Lane needs to be mothered

745
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: like that sometimes and be told everything is going to

746
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: be okay. I think if she had told her mom

747
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 3: what happened. A first of all, he's this Jewish kid

748
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: or whatever, you know, he's not Korean. And secondly, I

749
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: think her mom would have just shamed her.

750
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

751
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 4: I can hear her saying, why are you touching boys?

752
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: You know, I could totally hear that response for touching boys?

753
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So I love that moment. That was really

754
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: great for Lane. Got to go to sleep, yeah, yeah.

755
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: But overall, it was really a joy to see laurle

756
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: I not mixed up in too many controversies during this episode.

757
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: I mean, she kind of she kind of surfed and

758
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: sailed through this episode pretty much unscathed.

759
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: Right, she was definitely floating above everybody else.

760
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: I think she was right. She was like floating on

761
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: the snow throughout the whole episode, taking it in. Her

762
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: mood was elevated. She was loving life. This is just

763
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: a wonderful, wonderful thing to see because we're also used

764
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: to seeing her, you know, arguing with her mother, having

765
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: conflict here and arguing with it, and you know, it's

766
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: all over the place, and that's what she does so well.

767
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: But it was so nice to just see her go

768
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: through the episode and love it, enjoy it. Yeah, and yeah,

769
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: nothing was going to bring.

770
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 3: It down to see her just really her life and

771
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: enjoy Max. And when she when when you know, when

772
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: Rory comes home, I.

773
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: Think, what a bonehead? Right, it's like how about this?

774
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: But but it was really a funny scene at the

775
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: door when she like runs out like I gotta tell

776
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: you something.

777
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: I just want to tell you you're English teachers in here.

778
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 1: Then she backs into the house real so she goes, well, yeah,

779
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: well anyway, so that's it was really brilliant And yeah,

780
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable situation and uncomfortable conversation she's in the kitchen

781
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: with but Rory, you know, that's a tough that's a

782
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: tough thing to deal with.

783
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, having seen that little picture that.

784
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: Of Christopher Morelo from eighty three, nineteen eighty.

785
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: Three, Yeah, I don't think that she had seen that

786
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: picture before.

787
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: No, she found it and she put in her pocket

788
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: and it just makes she feel for her so much.

789
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: She mean, you know, it's like, what happened? Where's my daddy? Yeah?

790
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: You know, why is any around? More like what's going on?

791
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: She's sort of used to it, but she doesn't want

792
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: to be used to it.

793
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 4: So yeah, and like her face at the very end,

794
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 4: like you couldn't you could tell she was kind of torn.

795
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: She's like, Okay, my mom's happy, but like.

796
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: Where does this leave me? Like this is my teach teature.

797
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: This is kind of weird.

798
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 4: It's not my dad, you know, it's just you know,

799
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 4: she just was in a lot of different places. And

800
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 4: I think Alexis really played that that very last shot

801
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 4: very well.

802
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: But it's the beauty of the writing because you would

803
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: have to say, as appealing as Laural I is, as

804
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: appealing as Lauren Graham is, right, you give them a flaw,

805
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: You give them a couple flaws, and it makes the

806
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: human right. Yeah, that's the beauty of it. Right. If

807
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: she was perfect, perfect, perfect all the time, would we

808
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: not be oh so bored with these episodes because there

809
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't be anything happening.

810
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.

811
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: Because of these flaws. You know, this breeds all of

812
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: these wacky situations that are so you know, they're inappropriate. Yeah,

813
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: but it's TV, so we suspend our you know, our

814
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: judgment a little bit, especially second time around.

815
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: But there's so far I really think that apart from Luke,

816
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: I think that Max is my favorite one fellow for

817
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: her right. I lovely to watch them fall in love

818
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: and sad.

819
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: I think if Luke could no longer represent the United

820
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: States as you know, mister America, I think that Max

821
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: Medina would be a wonderful replacement.

822
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: But it's super bittersweet too because we know that she's

823
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: not going to end up with him forever. I mean

824
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 3: I know that from the you know, we just know

825
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: that he's a he's he's a you know, a page

826
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: holder and until she gets to, you know, finally end

827
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: up with Luke. But it's my he's my favorite of

828
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: all of her page holders or placeholders, whatever that term is.

829
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: You know, he's my favorite. That's why it's bittersweet to

830
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: watch them fall in love because it's beautiful, and then

831
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 3: we also know that he's not going to stick around.

832
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: It's hard to get an audience to buy in to

833
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: any kind of a relationship, you know, but you know,

834
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: this show makes you buy into the potentially the Luke

835
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: thing that gets you looking ahead for that uh and

836
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: now they have you buying into something that's happening right now,

837
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: which feels very organic and very real. Uh and kind

838
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: of perfect, right yeah, and it's and it had to

839
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: be that way. The stakes have to be really high

840
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: for Luke and Lorelei. There has to be a worthy challenge. Sure, yeah.

841
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: Otherwise where's the tension, you know, where's where's the competition.

842
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: There's got to be some serious competition in this guy's

843
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: serious competition.

844
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

845
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: I would say with the with the with the viewers,

846
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: I would say that Christopher is pretty pretty popular and

847
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: you know whatever, but but for sure Max is my

848
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: favorite besides Luke.

849
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: You think Christopher is popular? Now he's hated? Oh god, yeah, well.

850
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: Not the actor but the but the character.

851
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: Is he really the characters loathed and despised? Uh yeah.

852
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't like the deadbeat badness.

853
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, they don't like it.

854
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 4: So they mean like Luke, or they mean like Lorelei

855
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 4: and Chris as a couple.

856
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: But right there is a faction that does like that

857
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: as a couple because.

858
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 4: They want and like, why would you want to be

859
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: with a man that treated your daughter like that?

860
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: So that that the Christopher relationship, the Christopher relationship throughout

861
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: the series only serves to frustrate the audience, so they

862
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: do it intentionally to the audience. They piss everybody off,

863
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: so it pushes so their their desire for a Luke

864
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: LORELEI interesting.

865
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: I know, I remember when they were casting that was

866
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 3: not well said?

867
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: Was its great? You know you didn't hit the quite

868
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: the bulls eye? We know what you mean.

869
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 3: But I remember when they were casting that character of Christopher.

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00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: Do you know you probably know this. I know that

871
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: originally I think Amy really wanted Robert Downey Jr. To

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00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: play that role. What, Yeah, I remember this very clearly.

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00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: What Yes, I did not hear this.

874
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: I really be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

875
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: I remember that name being floated around and her really

876
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: wanting to cast him as the ideal like Dad. I mean,

877
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: obviously that didn't work out, and it wouldn't have worked

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00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: out because of the you know, the long term, you know,

879
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 3: arc of the character.

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00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: But I remember that Robert Downey Jr.

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00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: As Christopher, Yes, I was. I need to fact check,

882
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: but I'm almost positive that I remember that correctly.

883
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: Who was who was the character? Wait a minute, I

884
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: could see him as who was the guy who was

885
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: who started a business with Richard? What was that character's named? Digger. Yeah,

886
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: I could see Robert Downey Jr. Digger right maybe, I mean,

887
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it wasn't was it was in

888
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: two thousand? Was it was Robert Downey Junior, a big

889
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: movie star at that point. He was, wasn't he was?

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00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 3: He? I don't think that he was iron Man then, No,

891
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 3: but he was. He'd done Adeal maybe and.

892
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: He was the name for sure, for sure?

893
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: But was he? But yeah, because everybody was switching over

894
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: to doing TV, all the film guys were, yeah, we're

895
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: going over to TV.

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00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: They started positive.

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00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: I'm remembering this really, yes, I'm almost positive. Okay, just

898
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: well we had well, while we're on it, boyfriends my

899
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: least favorite of all time boyfriend that Laura I ever had.

900
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 3: I don't remember his name. Great story, shall we? I

901
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: can't remember his name?

902
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: But how about his her date with Rune. You couldn't

903
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: consider him a boyfriend though?

904
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 3: No, no, no, she actually dated this Glics the coffee guy. No, no, no, sorry,

905
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: I can't remember that. My phones out there so I

906
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 3: can't look it up. Anyway, he was my least favorite.

907
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 1: He was, well, describe him.

908
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: He just he's just kind of like styles.

909
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 3: He's just kind of it's it's not Jason Styles. I

910
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 3: think it actually is. It's not. I can't, I can't

911
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: finish this. But John Hamm, No, it's not John Hamm.

912
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 3: I think John Hamm is outstanding looking. You're right, it is.

913
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: It's Chris EigerMan.

914
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: Is that is that Jason Styles? Who's Digger?

915
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Digger.

916
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

917
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: I don't know who Digger is, but whose Digger Styles?

918
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: That was his nickname. Okay, so it's all all in

919
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: the same.

920
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: Oh my lord, we've brought all these puzzle pieces to Yes,

921
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 3: he is the one that really really irked me as

922
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 3: far as boyfriend.

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00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: He's the one that had the fancy condo, but his

924
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: kitchen was in his floyer.

925
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: It was weird, yes, and he just.

926
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: Had no game whatsoever, none, zero. So he was my

927
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 3: last favorite of all.

928
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: Now we know, take a towel off man. Well, all right,

929
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: so Shelley, thanks so much. We're going to wrap it

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00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: up here.

931
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 3: It was a pleasure than you. That was.

932
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: That was an action packed hour right there.

933
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did. We talked a lot. We had metaphors,

934
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 3: We talked about.

935
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: All kinds of things. There was allegories, metaphors, narratives and

936
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: universal themes mixed in with a lot of snow. Really

937
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: so far, gotta say, besides a pilot that's always going

938
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: to be my favorite, this is my favorite episode besides

939
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: the pilot. What, Susanne, what do you think? You've seen

940
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: them all multiple times? How does this rate? This episode?

941
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: I do love this episode.

942
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 4: That moment where Luke sees Lorelei and Max together, it

943
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: just that just gets me every single time.

944
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 2: It's moment.

945
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 4: I think it's a great episode. It moves the story along,

946
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 4: it establishes the characters relationships to each other. It's just

947
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: it's foundational.

948
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: Yes, great word, it definitely is, you know, a foundational show.

949
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: That's where I started to fall in love with Luke

950
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 3: m Yeah.

951
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean, what a what a great episode they wrote

952
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: for me? Well, they didn't write it for me, but

953
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: they wrote it. Well, maybe they do the character. I

954
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: wrote it for the character. But anyway, so thank you

955
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: for that, thank you for the episode, and I appreciate it.

956
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: Shall we have your time and all the best, and

957
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: it's always a blast talking to you, And keep your

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Speaker 1: tips up when you're scanning, and.

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00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 3: You'll find me in the in the the lobby of

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00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: the hotel, having.

961
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: A you know, yeah, all right, well you know, same

962
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: as a seat because we'll be coming in from the

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00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: slopes anyway. Thank you, Susanne, thank you, Shelley, thank you.

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00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: That's going to wrap it up here. Best fans on

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00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: the planet Earth, thank you so much. And remember where

966
00:54:44,040 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: you lead, we will follow. Stay safe, hey, everybody, and

967
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: don't forget Follow us on Instagram at I Am all

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Speaker 1: In podcast and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.