1 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, March nineteenth. They have 2 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: to cancel Taylor Frankie Paul's season of the Bachelorette because 3 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: now there is video, and with that, welcome to this 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ Robes. Everybody's been talking about this. 5 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: We knew there was a chance, but now there is 6 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: a leaked video that is out there Robes of a 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: domestic violence incident that we knew about from twenty twenty three, 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: in which he pled guilty. I will start with this 9 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: with you, babe, Bachelorette disposed. This new season supposed to 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: start on Sunday. We weren't together when this video came 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: out just a little while ago. You happened to be 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: out in an appointment, so we didn't watch it together. 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: Let me ask you, aside from Bachelorette, forget show, forget entertainment, 14 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: forget Disney, give me your human reaction to seeing this 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: video of a domestic violence incident that we'd heard about 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: with Taylor Frankie Paul. Just give me your human reaction 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: when you watched it. 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: I felt disgusted. I actually felt physically ill. I felt 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: nausea actually, and it was yes. 20 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 3: The video, but for me. 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: It was almost more the audio because you can hear Taylor, 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: Frankie Paul's five year old little girl at the time, 23 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: crying in the background. You can hear her after she 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: gets hit with a metal barstool that you see Taylor throwing, 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 2: and you hear her ex pleading for her to stop. 26 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Okay, we need to And I think at this point 27 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: Roaes everybody has followed this story. They know who she is. 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: Frankie Taylor Paul, the firebrand, the lead, the star of 29 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on Hulu. It's in its 30 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: fourth season now. ABC trying to revive the Bachelorette, plucked her, 31 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: select did her, and we knew what they were trying 32 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: to go after. She She's a firebrand. She's different from 33 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: any bachelorette they ever had. Some thought it was a 34 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: good decision, a good way to revive the brand. People 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: will follow her. It's going to be crazy, that was 36 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: the strategy. But Rodes they selected her knowing that she 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: had pled guilty in a domestic violence incident. 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: So what's changed, exactly right, And let's back it up 39 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: even before that, because when Hulu had her be a 40 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: part of and of course Disney owns Hulu to be 41 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: a part of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. They 42 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 2: knew that this whole show became what it was around 43 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: a swinging, a soft swinging situation. So you've got, you know, 44 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: folks who might not agree with that from a moral standpoint. 45 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: Just how she came into fame on mom Talk, on TikTok. 46 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: It was all blown up and she became a name 47 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: because of a swinging scandal. 48 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: We're talking about criminal activity now and violence and what 49 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: didn't they shut down production for a while on Secret 50 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: Lives of Mormon Wives because she was dealing with this 51 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: domestic violence incident, correct twenty twenty three, right, correct? 52 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: So yes, so this all happened then while that was 53 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: being filmed, and you are correct, Disney, Hulu, ABC. They 54 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: all knew that she pleaded guilty to what we are 55 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: seeing on this video. And look, we don't know for 56 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: sure if they knew there was a video, but I'm 57 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: guessing they did, and they were hoping or maybe they 58 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: were reassured that whoever had ownership of this video, her 59 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: ex is the one who shot it, or who at 60 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: least recorded it. 61 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: Maybe they felt reassured that this video would never see 62 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: the light of day. How could they not have known 63 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: about it? 64 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: If this was a part of an investigation, clearly the 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: police would have known about this way. 66 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: My argument is, what difference does it make you knew 67 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: there was an incident in domestic violence, she played guilty, 68 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: and you decided to go forward. What difference does the 69 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: video make? Are you going to come back now and say, well, 70 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: it was domestic violence, but we didn't think it was 71 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: that bad? What can you say? 72 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: That? 73 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: Is what they'll have to say, you knew this. 74 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: The only option they have, is it not Robes, is 75 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: to say she misrepresented what the incident was, and now 76 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: that we've seen this, we can't move forward. They are 77 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: either about to throw her under the biggest bus you 78 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: can find, or they are going to have to quadruple 79 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: down and move forward for the sake of ratings. 80 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: They knew that she pleaded guilty to aggravated. 81 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: Assault with you yes, So it's. 82 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: Really hard for me and I'm thinking you as well, 83 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: to believe that they didn't know the risk they were 84 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 2: taking and they went ahead anyway and took it. 85 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: So maybe that's it. They took the risk and they 86 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: just lost. Because this show cannot air, We're going to 87 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: let you hear this audio. And you might have seen 88 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: the video already, but to your point, Robes, it's the 89 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: audio that stings. It's so painful, it is so hurtful 90 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: to hear. And is that moment? And we've heard about 91 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: ropes describe the incident before we even saw the video. 92 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: This incident's been talked about for years, what it looked like, 93 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: how it went down, what was thrown, choke holes and Okay, 94 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: we knew about all this, did we not? 95 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 2: Yes? And Babe, we sat down with Taylor on our 96 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: podcast talking and she referred to this talking about this 97 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: incident because she had to deal with it, she had 98 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: to address it, and she apologized. She said she was drunk. 99 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: She said she got sober after that night. And you 100 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 2: can tell she's drunk. 101 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 3: She is slurring her words. 102 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: You can tell she is absolutely a neebreated and she 103 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: has admitted that she was. 104 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: In fact, that was in a way her defense. 105 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: I was wasted, I was so drunk, I was out 106 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: of control. 107 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: And that was the night I got sober. And I 108 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: think everybody was rallying around her in that moment. She 109 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 3: turned her life around. She wanted to do better. To 110 00:05:59,400 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: be better. 111 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: But now with this second investigation, there it is there. 112 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: It is about another alleged domestic violence incident where Dakota, 113 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: who is in this video and this audio you will 114 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: hear him, claims that she was violent again towards him. 115 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: She claims he was violent towards her. But you can 116 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: even hear her in this video saying you did it, 117 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: you did it. But what you see is her doing it, 118 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: not him. 119 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: Okay, so we are going to go ahead and let 120 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: you hear this. Now it goes a little and again 121 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: we know this now or is coming out now because 122 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: of TMZ TMZ and I think you read it as well, Rose, 123 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: But it's a little unclear exactly how they got it. 124 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: They're not saying how they got it. 125 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: They were saying this was part of evidence in the 126 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: case against her at the time, but they're not exactly 127 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: saying how they got their hands on it. They were 128 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: a little vague there, point being it's out there now. 129 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: It was leaked. 130 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: I guess that's the verb everyone is using, leaked video. 131 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: Leaked old video. This is video of an incident we 132 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: already knew about. But my god, it's one thing to 133 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: hear about it hear it described, it's another thing to 134 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: actually see it and listen for yourself as it happens. 135 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: And if you have seen it already, it is still 136 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: I would argue, Robes a little different when you're just 137 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: hearing to the audio of it. So, folks, just gonna 138 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: let you hear about fifty to fifty five seconds of it. 139 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: It goes I think three minutes or so, but we 140 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: will let you take a listen. Now again, this is 141 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: the beginning of it. To set the scene, he is 142 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: recording in a larger living room that goes into the 143 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: kitchen area. There is a couch in the living room 144 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: area where he is, and she is a little distance 145 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: away at some points and starts throwing you'll hear them 146 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: metal chairs, and then closer to the end you do 147 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: hear the incident and Robes it was. It's tough. I 148 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: think it was the third stool she had thrown. 149 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that multiple stools. 150 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: That's the one where you hear him say your child's here, 151 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: And as soon as the third one is thrown, you 152 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: hear the child start crying immediately and you can't help 153 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: but her so here it is now, folks, take a quick. 154 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: Listen, Yeah, look at you. 155 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 4: Look. 156 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: Look, yeah, look, this is called physical abuse. 157 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, See Taylor, this is all you do. 158 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 4: It's the only thing you know how to do is 159 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 4: hurt me. 160 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: Huh. 161 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: And you think this is okay. 162 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: It's not okay. Let me go stop dude, leave me alone. 163 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 4: Oh my god, your daughter is great here. Oh my gosh, 164 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 4: oh my. 165 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 3: You you. 166 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: Stop stop freaming at it. Yeah, Taylor, you're done, Taylor, 167 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 4: that is no, You're gone. Be un. 168 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: Robes. Uh. Listening to it is almost worse than seeing it. 169 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking to uh in a lot of way. And 170 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: it's you hear that kid's cries and you can't help, 171 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: but it that stings. That's difficult, that's brutal. We're all 172 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: hearing this now and on Sunday. ABC is expecting us 173 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: to watch a television and watch her hand out roses 174 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: and smile and date and we're expected to root for her, 175 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:02,359 Speaker 1: which is possible, Robes, I guess, but it is very difficult. 176 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: It's Thursday, baby, The show is in three days. Is 177 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: there any way this show airs on Sunday? 178 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. 179 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: As soon as I watched it, I thought not a chance. 180 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: Look and as of this recording, ABC, Disney, Hulu. No 181 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: one has officially said anything about this. And look, even 182 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: with this second domestic violence allegation and investigation that is 183 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: ongoing right now enough to put Mormon Wives taping filming 184 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: on hold, we still saw Taylor Frankie Paul make the 185 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: rounds the last two days. She did a live interview 186 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: on Good Morning America, She spoke to People Magazine, she 187 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: spoke to several of the other entertainment outlets. So just 188 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: talking about how heavy it was, how hard it was, 189 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: so they were still pushing through everything. 190 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: As we are sitting here with you, folks, it just 191 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: popped up on our screen that TMZ reporting that, yes, 192 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: in fact, her season has been canceled. As we are 193 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: sitting here, as we are talking, and now we're seeing 194 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: notes from our people out in La or iHeart, folks, 195 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: it's canceled. This is just happening, folks, in this moment. 196 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: The video came out, Sweetheart, an hour ago. 197 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: You cannot you can't and you hear it, you cannot 198 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: unsee it. 199 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 3: It involves a child. 200 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 2: And yes, the only thing I thought, could they hold 201 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: on to this notion that they knew about it already, 202 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: and that She's changed her life. Maybe they could have 203 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: had there not been a second investigation. 204 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: If there was not, that was my question. 205 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: If there had never been a second alleged incident, if 206 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: there wasn't now another police investigation, could they have said 207 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: she has changed her way, she has gone to therapy, 208 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 2: she has redeemed herself. She you know, all throughout the 209 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: second you can't say any of those things now with 210 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:01,239 Speaker 2: another police investigation alleging the exact same type of behavior. 211 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: This is sad. This is so sad. And you know 212 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: who I'm the first you know what I'm thinking about. Yeah, 213 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: we think about the child, we think robes. I'm sad 214 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: with Jesse Palmer. I'm sad for all the bookers who 215 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: work forever to find these guys. I'm sad for all 216 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: those people who work to make sure they did background 217 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: checks on all these guys. I'm sad for all those 218 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: people who put all this effort into making this show 219 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: a hit and this has happened to them. 220 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, because all of those people had nothing to do 221 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 2: with the decision. 222 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: To choose Taylor Franky Paul as the bachelorette. 223 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: All of that work and you know how much work 224 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: forget even the money, but just how much of an 225 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: investment of your time? And I do believe Jesse Palmer 226 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: and the folks there at The Bachelorette believe in their show. 227 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: Yes it's a reality show, Yes it's entertainment, but they 228 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: have always been proud of the fact that they genuinely 229 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 2: and legitimately were trying to help people find love, find 230 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: lasting relationships, and yes, find a beautiful marriage. 231 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: And this flew in the face of all of that. 232 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: From the beginning that this was the one, This was 233 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: the year right, this was supposed to be the comeback. 234 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: They bet big, babe, they lost big. This is coming 235 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: to us again. We have not TIMZ Celebrity News is 236 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: just as trusted as anybody else out there. They've made 237 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: their mistakes, but this is not some wild tabloid we're 238 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: talking about here. TMZ reporting the headline the Bachelorette Taylor 239 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: Frankie Paul season canceled. They have a statement in here 240 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: robes from the Disney spokesperson that's sitting here, so they're 241 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: saying they actually have talked to somebody from Disney and 242 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: gave them a statement confirming that, in fact, this show 243 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: will not go forward on Sunday Robes. This is not 244 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: information we had when we hit record to record this podcast, 245 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: but we thought there was no way, and sure enough, 246 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: here it is. 247 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 3: Yes, this is happening in real time. 248 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: A Disney Entertainment spokesperson said, in light of the newly 249 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: released video just surface today, we have made the decision 250 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: to not move forward with the new season of The 251 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: Bauch Threat at this time, and our focus is on 252 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: supporting the family. This is worst case scenario and there 253 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: is going to be a lot of finger pointing and 254 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: fall out over this. This is a massive, massive development. 255 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: Finger pointing. You know, there is man's robes. Where do 256 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: you even start? Who chose her? Who missed this in 257 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: the background, who didn't know the video was out there? 258 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: How did the video get out? How did this other 259 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: incident take place? How do we know it know about that? 260 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: Who said we should put her on the red carpet 261 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: at the oscars? Who said we should have her do 262 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: the interview on Good Morning America and not ask her 263 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: a serious question? Robes, over and over and over. This 264 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: is what you talked about. She did that interview this morning. 265 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: You said, guys, this is how you do it. You 266 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: give her a tough question. You have a combative interview. 267 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: She's been out there and she's addressing and taking it 268 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: head on. So if something like this comes up, Robes, 269 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: this was your argument, you can look better as a network, 270 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: as a company by putting her on your network and 271 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: holding our feet to the fire. 272 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: Correct. 273 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: She needed to explain this, And now that we see 274 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: this video where she's talking about her pain and her hurt, 275 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: it really, really, really is. I hate to use the 276 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: word disgusting, but that is how it feels. It feels gross, 277 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: it feels itchy, it feels manipulative. And you saw this 278 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: roll out, this pr campaign, and then you see this 279 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: video and again coupled with new allegations. 280 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: Of the same type of behavior. How is that allowed? 281 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: How is this ever? 282 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking. I'm going back through our our text messages, 283 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: go to where is this? I said, Babe, it's bad. 284 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: TMZ has somehow gotten the video of the twenty twenty 285 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: three domestic Isolents video with Taylor Frankie. It's not quite ditty, 286 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: but it's bad. They cannot stand by this girl. This 287 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: is sad. 288 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: Then I said, Oi, I had a feeling that was 289 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: coming because we had heard there was already talk that 290 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: there were videos, right, so you said, go to their website. 291 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: It's at the top. Sucks. 292 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: And then I wrote to you, no way Sunday can 293 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: go on as planned. You wrote, it's really ugly. 294 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: This is unsurvivable for AVC to put her on the air. 295 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: I robes, this is a devastating story. It's devastating for 296 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: that network. It's devastating for Disney, it's devastating for that show, 297 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: The Bachelor Nation. It is devastating. I don't know what 298 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: lessons we learn here, babe, but it was one of 299 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: the early There are conversations I was wanting to have 300 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: that I didn't understand, and that is why we consider 301 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: domestic violence. Why this story wasn't serious enough, why it 302 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: didn't feel like and even after watching the video, I 303 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: stopped and thought, maybe some people will see this and go, well, 304 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: she's just a little girl and tiny girl, and she 305 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: got upset and throwing some things. No big deal. This 306 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: isn't the same as a man putting his hands on 307 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: a woman. 308 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: When you see her like literally attempting to choke him, 309 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: and you hear his voice struggling, when you see her 310 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: hurling heavy metal objects at him, as hard as she can, 311 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: screaming uncontrollably, you did this as she's doing it, and 312 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: then Babe to see her response through her spokespeople after 313 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 2: the video was released to me, that was it was 314 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 2: even worse because there's zero acknowledgment of what we're all seeing. 315 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: So the plan we had, folks for this episode was 316 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: to actually let you know about the video, play the 317 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: audio of the video, and let you know what all 318 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: sides are saying. Right now. We do want to let 319 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: you hear the statement from Taylor Frankie Paul's camp, but 320 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: this was the statement they put out after the video, 321 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: but before we heard about the cancelation. Stay here. We'll 322 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: let you know about this and let you hear this. 323 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: How'd you just describe rate? It was confusing, this tone 324 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: deaf statement from her camp. Stay here continuing now here 325 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: on Amy and TJ, The Bachelorette is canceled, according to TMZ, 326 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: citing a statement they have now gotten from Disney spokesperson 327 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: saying that the Taylor Frankie Paul season of Bachelorette season 328 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: twenty two that was supposed to start on Sunday with Rose, 329 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: when was she announced? How many months ago? Was it? 330 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: Oh? I find some time ago. I believe in the summer. 331 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 3: It was long time. 332 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there has been a build up and 333 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: a build up and a build up of folks in 334 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: the you just heard it here. We are getting word 335 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: as we were recording about this Robes we were talking earlier. 336 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: When we started recording, we had only known that the 337 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: video was out and that her camp put out a 338 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: statement in response. Before we give any kind of interpretation 339 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: or our feelings about it, just let the people hear. 340 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: Oh. 341 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: I got a lot of feelings about it. I did 342 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 2: as soon as I heard it. But we'll let you 343 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 2: all have your feelings and then we can discuss. This 344 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: is what Taylor Frankie Paul spokes people said after the 345 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: video was released. It's sad to see the latest installment 346 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: of his never ending, desperate, attention seeking, destructive campaign to 347 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: harm Taylor without any regard for the consequences for their child. 348 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 2: Releasing an old video which conveniently omits context on their 349 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: son's birthday is a reprehensible attempt to. 350 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 3: Distract from his own behavior. 351 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: Thankfully, the public has seen this act before and knows 352 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: who he is is, and sadly many will recognize this 353 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: pattern of manipulation, both in his actions on the show 354 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: and from their own experiences. 355 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: Go ahead, have your reaction first. 356 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: Gas lighting one oh one. I know what I saw 357 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: in that video. It doesn't require context. I don't care 358 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: what the context is. It is never acceptable to choke someone, 359 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 2: to throw heavy metal object at someone, and certainly to 360 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: do any of that when your five year old child 361 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 2: is right there. And then when the video shows you 362 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: out of control, drunk and actually harming your child. The reaction, 363 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: the statement should be, this is mortifying, this is horrific. 364 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: I have done so much work to evolve from this 365 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: person who I see in that video. I don't even 366 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: recognize that person. I'm sober. You take accountability. All they 367 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 2: did was say. 368 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 3: Dakota is to. 369 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: Blame what Okay, I didn't put it in as full 370 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: of context as you just put it. There was no 371 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: accountability in the station, deer roam. She's not responsible at 372 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: all for any of that behavior, according to the statement. Now, Rose, 373 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: we don't know who put this video out and we 374 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: don't know why, But what difference for ABC should it make? 375 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: You Remember the Ray Rice situation NFL running back. It 376 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: was with Baltimore at the time, there was a horrific 377 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: video of him hitting his fiance at the time. You remember, 378 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: it's in the elevator and then he's dragged knocked her 379 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: out and dragged her to Okay, you know what I'm talking. 380 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: So the NFL had done the punishment to him behind 381 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: the scenes and everything, he'd done his time, and then 382 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 1: the video came out and they came back and tried 383 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: to punish him more, and a court stepped in and said, nope, 384 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: you knew about this. Nothing is changed. You just see video. 385 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: You can't change it now, is there any way? There 386 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: was a conversation about that, should we feel any differently 387 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: about it just because we see it? If I hear 388 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: domestic violence and a man versus takes on a woman 389 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: with domestic violence, he is an instant monster. He is instantly, 390 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: instantly a monster. Why is it? Then rogues, we've heard 391 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: about this domestic violence. Okay, let's push forward, and now 392 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: we see it and all of a sudden, okay, this 393 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: is ugly. 394 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 2: The truth is she's barely five feet tall and it's 395 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: a he said, she said, kind of a thing. And yes, 396 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: police wait and police did do the investigation. But you 397 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 2: can maybe create some allowances in your mind or how 398 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: bad was it really? Like how much did she actually 399 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 2: overreact and did. 400 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: She just throw one chair or three? What was her demeanor? 401 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 2: Like? 402 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: You just what when you see and hear this video? 403 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 2: It is undeniable, It is unmistakable, and it's actually, for 404 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: me one hundred times worse than I imagined it was. 405 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: You know, that was a good phrase you use. You 406 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: said allowances in your own mind, and we were willing 407 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,719 Speaker 1: to do that, and we have to admit that that 408 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: is something we don't subconsciously do. But now, Robes, this 409 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: is violent. This is not just ugly. This is not 410 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: a scandal, This is not a tabloid headline. This is violence. 411 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: I don't think she can go back to Mormon wives 412 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 2: at all, period. And the women have come out on 413 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: their different social media accounts saying they're the ones who 414 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: asked for the pause, that they didn't want to film 415 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 2: with her, that they were deeply concerned about the first incident, 416 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 2: but now with the second one being investigated, they were like, 417 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: we don't want to be a part of anything with her. 418 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 2: So the idea of her actually ever coming back in 419 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: any way seems slim to not at this point, And 420 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: who knows what's going to happen with this other police investigation. 421 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: There was taught that I think he got to a 422 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: point this is what he claims that it's happened enough times. 423 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: He started recording it because think about it. As a man, 424 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: what's his defense. 425 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 3: She's going to say you hit me first, or you 426 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: hit me too, or whatever. 427 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: So he started recording so he had a defense, so 428 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: he could defend him. 429 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: And he wasn't charged. 430 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: She woh god, damn, oh my god. This is awful. 431 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: This is just awful. What are we gonna take out 432 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: of it? What are we gonna learn from it? I 433 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: don't know what the conversation should be. She in this video, 434 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: Robes looks troubled. She needs help, She needs help, and 435 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: she said she has admitted that she got it. Okay, 436 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: if she got it, should we will put that behind 437 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: and say, okay, we're gonna support you. You can do that, Robes. 438 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: It's just such a big ask when the type of 439 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: show she's trying to do, she's not just trying to 440 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: do a Mormon lives follow my Life. She is trying to. 441 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: Say I'm datable, I'm a I'm marriage material. Take me 442 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: home to your Mom, that's what that show is. It 443 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 2: is it's it's not the right show. 444 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: So let's go with the last couple of things to 445 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: wrap up here, Robes, the guys, that's not fair to them. 446 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: Those guys. We actually know people personally who have gone 447 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: through the process of dealing with bachelor and bachelorette and 448 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: going through the process of being selected, and it is you. 449 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: They put you through the ringer. All these guys went 450 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: through that ringer. They took time off from friends, family, work, 451 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: to sacrifice to be here for something and Robes, some 452 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: of them might have been looking for some clout, but 453 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: there you have to think that there's some guys who 454 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: were genuinely interested in Frankie Taylor, in her and wanting 455 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: to find love. 456 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have a friend who went through the process, 457 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: got up towards the very end, and he would even 458 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: tell us about how intrusive you go through like multiple interviews, 459 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 2: they meet your friends in truth to your family, they 460 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 2: actually find out who you are. What you could think 461 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 2: about the liability you know on that show, you you're matchmaking, 462 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: you're introducing people to each other. You have to make 463 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: sure that people who you're introducing other people to are 464 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: legit nonviolent, safe, you know, as best as you can. 465 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: So with all of that said, it is a head 466 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 2: scratcher that it got as far as it did, all 467 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: for ratings, all for publicity, all for clicks, and this 468 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: is what has happened, and it's just sad all around. 469 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: The defense of Disney. This is gonna sound crazy, But 470 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: if you were okay with them putting her on knowing 471 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: about this incident, then why shouldn't you still be support 472 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: above them after the incident. We knew about it. Now 473 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: it's just we see it and like, ooh, now it's 474 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,239 Speaker 1: too much for us. No, you knew your bachelorette had 475 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: a domestic violence guilty plea on her record, and we 476 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: were okay with it. 477 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: Then I think people were hoping that it wasn't as 478 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: bad as maybe it seemed or as they heard. 479 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: When you see that, when you hear it, there is 480 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 3: no gray area. 481 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 2: Well, so then what happens next now ropes, Well, I think, 482 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: like I said, I think there's gonna be a lot 483 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: of finger pointing. There's gonna be a lot of cya 484 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 2: going on, and it's gonna be interesting to find out 485 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 2: if anyone who was involved in that show and making 486 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: the decision, knew about the video, saw the video, and 487 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: if TMZ could get the video, then I'm gonna go 488 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: ahead and tide Disney should have been able to get 489 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 2: that bit. 490 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: Uh. I don't know. TMZ has its ways. I don't know, 491 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: but if we knew about it, I could have described 492 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: as incident to any Disney official that asked. I said, yeah, 493 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: so what she did was she put them in chokehold. 494 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: And the record says that she threw these metal barstools 495 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: and her child got hit by one. That's what the video, 496 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: any video would show. They knew that, and they knew 497 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: about it, and they said, you know what. 498 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 3: That's cool, Let's make her America sweetheart. 499 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 2: Shit. 500 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: The only thing Roles that can save them possibly is 501 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: to throw her again under the biggest greyhound they can 502 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: find and say she lie to us and misrepresented what 503 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: that incident was and we would have never gone through 504 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: with this had we known about that, that it was 505 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: that bad, but she assured us that it wasn't. What 506 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: other option do they have than to throw her under 507 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: a bus. 508 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't think that's gonna work. 509 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: Really, You come on, who gets more heat Disney or her. 510 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 3: I think Disney ultimately is going to need the heat 511 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 3: for this. 512 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: You think the audience is going to support her, her fans, 513 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: her tailor army or whatever. You think they'll just. 514 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: No, She's obviously going to be completely destroyed by this, 515 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: But I think Disney is going to take a huge 516 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: hit for this. Really, people question their choice from the beginning. 517 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: It was controversial from the very beginning, and now it 518 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 2: ends like this worst case scenario controversial. 519 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: It looked fine to me on Sunday when I watched 520 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: the Oscars. She was the big star there as far 521 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: as talent for ABC reporting from the red carpet. What 522 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: are you talking about? 523 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 3: It was controversial in many many circles that they picture. 524 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: I know what you all believe. I know what you're saying. 525 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: But we had gotten to a point where it seemed 526 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: to be celebrated. Even thought it was a good move, 527 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: it was emotional. 528 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, Oh this. 529 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: Is awful, folks, to tell you. I mean people, redemption 530 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: can happen. 531 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: Babe, I mean people can I believe that. 532 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: Awful, awful decision. Look, there are people out there who've 533 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: had DUIs and they had manslaughter charges. There people who 534 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: served time for killing folks. There are people who have 535 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: done all kinds of horrific things, and Babe, you can 536 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: turn your life around. 537 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: Agreed that that can happen, But you probably shouldn't go 538 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: on a dating show where you're lauded as an American sweetheart, 539 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: someone to bring home to Mama, when you have been 540 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: or at least you've pleaded guilty to domestic violence charge 541 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: and are now in the middle of another domestic violence investigation, 542 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: criminal investigation with that same ex boyfriend who you had 543 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: zero issue telling the world you slept with the night 544 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: before you went on to go start filming The Bachelor. 545 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: That just shows you how seriously she was actually taking 546 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: this as an opportunity to find love. That to me 547 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: is almost spitting in the face of the show. 548 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: I guess and us who actually look at Tristan and 549 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: Ryan and turn that show on, so we are Tristan 550 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: and Ryan are why I still give the show any 551 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: ounce of legitimacy. I was like, oh, wow, this can work, 552 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: it can and it has. We've known hell Rachel Lindsay 553 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: got married, she ended up getting divorced. These are friends 554 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: of ours. Matt James had a long relationship ends up 555 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: not being together. 556 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: But it was a legitimate relationship where they were thinking 557 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: about marriage. 558 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely, we've been a part, We've seen it work. This 559 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: says to us to the audience that it's something else. 560 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: Now it's a spectacle, a spectacle, and this is what 561 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: this was. Folks. We appreciate you listening. We just wanted 562 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: to hop on. This wasn't the episode we expected now 563 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: and quite frankly, this ropes. This is the first time 564 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: the news has broken while we are in the middle 565 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: of red. 566 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 3: This is a first and takes us back. Yeah right, 567 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 3: it was almost like breaking news takes us back. 568 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: Well, folks, we appreciate you. Anything else hopped out on 569 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: this one. I do want to ropes. We mentioned did 570 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: you see this up on yours as well? TMZ. Also 571 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: this note here that they're saying Dakota has actually filed 572 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: for some kind of restraining order and wants sole custody 573 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: of their child. Here it is ropes. 574 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. 575 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: So this is getting messier and messier and messier. 576 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just the beginning. Unfortunately, this is what 577 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: tends to happen. And yes, now Dakota, it appears, is 578 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: looking for soul custody and after that video. 579 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: He probably has a pretty decent case. 580 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: So our look, our thanks on our credit right now 581 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: to TMZ that has gotten hands on the video and 582 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: has pushed this story forward. Is the last thing to you? Babe? 583 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: Was this important? Did we need to see this video 584 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: before the show? 585 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: Now? 586 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: If it would have come out in the middle of 587 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: the show, that would have been horrible. But did we 588 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: need to see this? Did we need did this video 589 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: need to come out? If this would have just gone away, 590 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: was buried and never existed with things have just gone 591 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: on as planned? 592 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: Probably And I was thinking about this moment when Harvey 593 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: Levin knew he had this video, he had to. 594 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 3: Know when he put it up. 595 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: He had to know that he was changing a lot 596 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: of lives and that this show was almost certainly going 597 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: to get canceled. He knows this business. He knew what 598 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: he was going to happen when he made this public. 599 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: He probably called Disney before he posted and say, hey, 600 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: heads up up, I got this. Do you have a 601 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: coming yet? Folks? T J. Holmes here on behalf of 602 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: my dear Amy Robach. We will be talking to you soon. 603 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: Anything hops out on this story, we certainly will will 604 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: update you but we appreciate you as always so spending 605 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: some time here with us