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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I cannot believe it.

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Speaker 2: A total faker, a scammer, a charlatan who fakes a

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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars from Gofumi donation, actually cries

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Speaker 2: in front of the judge and escapes jail. The judge

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here on Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: and series sexe one eleven. This TikToker, Madison Russo of Bittendorf, Iowa,

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Speaker 2: scams forty grand nearly forty thousand dollars, and she gets

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Speaker 2: sympathy of millions of followers after lying about a quote

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Speaker 2: football sized tumor you heard me, a football sized tumor

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Speaker 2: wrapped around her spine. When the judge hears her story

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Speaker 2: and watches her start crying, the judge hands down a

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Speaker 2: suspended sentence. Yes she's walking free. Madison Russo, who fakes

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Speaker 2: leukemia and pancreatic cancer on TikTok, go fund me, Facebook LinkedIn,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe it now.

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Speaker 2: I just had a very dear and close friend Natalie

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Speaker 2: who went to high school with me back in making

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Speaker 2: after a long and valiant fight with cancer. She suffered

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Speaker 2: so much, and her family suffered so much, and her

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Speaker 2: But Natalie passed away. She slipped away from us.

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Speaker 1: And now I got to look at this.

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Speaker 2: Woman, Madison Russo, who fakes leukemia and pancreatic cancer online

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Speaker 2: to scam people. Over four hundred people send her donations.

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Speaker 2: As part of a ten year suspended sentence, she was

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Speaker 2: if she stays out of trouble for three years of

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Speaker 2: street probation, she'll stay free forever.

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Speaker 3: I mean, her.

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Speaker 2: Big fat scam unravels when medical professionals spot problems in

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Speaker 2: her story. How did the whole thing start? Take a

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Speaker 2: listen to our cut one.

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Speaker 4: I want people to live.

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Speaker 5: I want to live, you know, I want I want

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Speaker 6: That's Mattie Russo, a nineteen year old college student, speaking

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Speaker 3: We found a mass on new paincreos and I had

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Speaker 3: Stage two pancreatic cancer at just sighteen years old.

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Speaker 6: She documented her treatment in a series of heartbreaking social media.

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Speaker 1: Posts before.

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Speaker 3: I personally eggs with the OBGN and basically it's just

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Speaker 3: to you're kind of like freezing your eggs.

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Speaker 2: You're hearing this young girl Madison Marie Russo speaking to

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Speaker 2: our friends at Inside Edition with me an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: But first I want to go to a special guest

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Speaker 2: joining us is Stephanie Condon Oldrey, founder and director of

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Speaker 2: Craig's Cause Pancreatic Cancer Society, and you can find that

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Speaker 2: at Craig's Cause dot Stephanie. Thank you for being with us,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me Nancy Stephanie. To so many people,

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Speaker 2: the two words pancreatic cancer is a death sentence.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm just a JD, not an MD.

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Speaker 2: But from what I understand, the pancreas doesn't feel like

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Speaker 2: the way other organs do. So it's only when cancer

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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, it's a It's often been referred to as

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Speaker 7: quite often when the symptoms first present to patients, either

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Speaker 7: well over fifty percent of the patients you know, have

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Speaker 2: of Craigs Caused Pancreatic Cancer Society. And it's especially rare

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Speaker 2: And it's because of the diabetes tests that she discovers

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Speaker 3: Like it did mine, So after finding out, I started

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Speaker 2: That moment when you find out that something could threaten

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Speaker 8: Madison Russo was sitting in an accounting class at st

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Speaker 8: The nineteen year old has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer

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Speaker 8: Russo has an eleven percent survival rape for five years.

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Speaker 8: This leads to Russo discussing her cancer journey as a

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Speaker 8: Despite her illnesses, Russo continues attending class with a four

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Speaker 8: In her free time, Russo enjoys playing golf.

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Speaker 2: Not only does she continue her schooling and get a

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Speaker 6: She raised over thirty seven thousand dollars on a GoFundMe page.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at this woman's booken photo Madison Russo and

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Speaker 2: Iowa woman who faked cancer and documented her quote battle

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Speaker 2: One of the things she did she would post photos

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Speaker 1: So what happened? This three is not a chimo week,

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Speaker 1: It's just a radiation week.

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Speaker 10: Authorities alleged Russo spent the past year claiming she'd been

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Speaker 3: So it's a week off chemo.

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Speaker 2: So just when doing abbreviation? So why did she take

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Speaker 1: What listen to this?

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Speaker 11: In one interview, Madison Russo claimed doctors told her she

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Speaker 11: had an eleven percent chance of survival. In people charity's

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Speaker 11: cancer organizations, they all donated to help her fight cancer.

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Speaker 11: Probably is according to authority, she doesn't have cancer. She

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Speaker 11: never did and that's not just a lie, it's a felony.

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Speaker 3: I am too sick from treatment where I can't go anywhere,

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Speaker 10: Madison Russo took more than thirty seven thousand dollars from

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Speaker 2: right now. Cala Brantley joining me, investigative reporter of dailymail

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Speaker 4: Cala what This is a crazy story, but unfortunately not

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Speaker 12: That isn't even real. And the way that Madison was

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Speaker 2: Yes, the tubes were in the wrong position, and some

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Speaker 2: so much for being with us. I was thrown over

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Speaker 13: That's absolutely abnormal. You know, radiation basically what it does

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Speaker 13: You know, when we had these patients come to the hospital,

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Speaker 2: When I white a minute, look, I said, I'm not

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Speaker 1: Sick people look sick.

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Speaker 13: That sounds simple, but it's true.

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Speaker 2: And you know what else, doctor Gallagher, I know you

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: In these photos that you looked at for us, she

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Speaker 2: looks perfectly healthy. Now, how would her eye what would

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Speaker 13: Well, she would be jaundice, meaning her skin would be yellow,

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Speaker 1: Now, why can't you get a sun tan line.

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Speaker 13: Because the yellow pigment that is produced by the disease

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Speaker 2: Guys, you've gotten to hear our cut for this is

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Speaker 2: Regick Terry, a kW QC six.

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Speaker 14: This search warrant is revealing some new details about what

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Speaker 14: This warrant says medical professionals came forward to report the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at one photo. Let me get straight

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at a photo on your article from dallymail

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Speaker 1: Her hair is parted over, like kind of slung over.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that makes you think, well, maybe it's

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Speaker 2: very very glamorous. Well, is that she has a medical

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Speaker 2: manicured hands. That's in your article, Kela. And so that's

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Speaker 2: what I keep looking back at is the Daily Mail article.

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Speaker 2: Jackie is wildly waving a note to me that doctor

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Speaker 2: Gallagher says, if you look at this Daily Mail.

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Speaker 1: Photo, let's see where you guys got the photo.

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Speaker 15: TikTok yep, straight from her own tick.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Gallagher, you says something along the lines of, if

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Speaker 13: Well, absolutely, if you look at if we're looking at

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Speaker 12: If it's a.

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Speaker 13: Bag that collects fluid out of her body through her nose,

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Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace, guys, I can believe this woman,

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Speaker 2: she claims her quote medical journey started all the way

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Speaker 1: I want to vomit. This woman makes me sick.

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Speaker 2: She shared her cancer journey her words, not mine, in newspapers.

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Speaker 2: know at her apartment. Police found pursuag search warrant, of course,

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Speaker 2: a brown paper bag with medical supplies, an ivy poll,

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars.

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Speaker 2: You know there's one dinner named Lewis Frillman. He gave

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Speaker 2: thinking is, say a prayer for this young kid. She's

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Speaker 1: So what happened? Okay, doctor Gallagher? Another thing.

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Speaker 2: Jackie's now waving another What did you just say about

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Speaker 13: So, sometimes if people have cancer, they'll have a port,

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Speaker 17: A it's a plastic device that goes under the skin

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Speaker 13: Your and your legs, you know, from getting ivs in it.

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Speaker 13: So this port is over it's almost a central part

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Speaker 1: The lung is over there.

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Speaker 13: You can puncture the lung, you can puncture the heart,

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Speaker 13: So there are ports to be put on the chest.

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Speaker 13: But this location is not where you want it.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to Stephanie Condon Aldreve joining US founder

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Speaker 1: He was the victim. How I don't know, does it

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Speaker 2: Make you sick what this girl did stealing people's money,

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Speaker 7: I guess there's a range of feelings. You know, you

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Speaker 7: to very you know, the people that donated to her

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Speaker 7: But she also just took advantage, you know, she she

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Speaker 7: trust and donors wanting to make a difference. So I

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Speaker 7: feel sad that you know that there's people out there

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Speaker 7: that do that. I feel you know, disappointed, you know

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Speaker 7: that there's so many donors that were taken advantage of.

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Speaker 7: You know, you certainly feel angry from a personal perspective

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Speaker 7: because I know my dad lasted eight weeks with pancredic cancer,

447
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Speaker 7: and you know, you never forget that, you know. So

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Speaker 7: for someone to pretend that they had such a deadly

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Speaker 7: disease and to take to take those feelings and emulate

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Speaker 7: them in such a false way, is really taking away

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Speaker 7: from somebody else's experience.

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Speaker 2: Is basically making money off other people's misery and heartache

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Speaker 2: with me also forensic psychologist Dodger Sherry Schwartz, and Special

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Speaker 2: Deputy share Greg Smith. Greg take a listen to our

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Speaker 2: cut thirty three. You haven't heard it all yet. Listen

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Speaker 2: to her talking. Isn't it my family skin?

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Speaker 3: I was informed that here on my pancreas was shrinking

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Speaker 3: and it was responding to treatment. However, it also spread

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Speaker 3: to my blood and is a cute phoblastic leukemia. There

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Speaker 3: is a mental health crisis in America right now, and

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Speaker 3: I want to touch on the impact that cancer and

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Speaker 3: chronic disease patients can go through. When your life changes

463
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Speaker 3: in an incent in many days are spent vomiting and

464
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Speaker 3: pain and being stricted with what you can do, your

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Speaker 3: mind also becomes sick.

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Speaker 2: Her mind was sick, all right, because she was ripping

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Speaker 2: off people with a fake pancreatic cancer diagnosis and capitalizing

468
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Speaker 2: on people that are suffering along with their families, watching

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Speaker 2: them with this disease that moves so swiftly through your body.

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Speaker 1: But that's not all Greg, listen to cut thirty four. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of questions on my hair, like you looks so good,

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Speaker 3: like how are you keeping your hair? It just comes

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Speaker 3: down to my brand of chemo, which is oral chemo.

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Speaker 3: I am really looking with that so thank on his

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Speaker 3: fingers crossed. That's something to be so grateful for.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Greg, I'm so mad. I wanted

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Speaker 2: you in alle and a half. Why is our hair

479
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Speaker 2: looks so great? And the Daily Mail picture I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at that they took from TikTok because it's healthy.

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Speaker 1: She's healthy.

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Speaker 2: I mean Greg Smith as special deputy there in Johnson County,

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Speaker 2: and you can find Greg at Kelsey's Army dot com.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes I feel like we've seen it all,

485
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Speaker 2: but this little girl right here has shown me I

486
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Speaker 2: have not seen it all. There's still more ways to

487
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Speaker 2: irritate and discussed us all well.

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Speaker 16: Nancy, this is a classic example of what I would

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Speaker 16: call the oldest profession in the world, and that's the

490
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Speaker 16: con job. These people that do this, have no regard

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Speaker 16: for anybody else's feelings. The important thing here is simply

492
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Speaker 16: to be able to pull the con off for their

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Speaker 16: own benefit. The only person that matters is them. They're

494
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Speaker 16: very narcissistic. They're very empathetic in that they can pull

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Speaker 16: emotion from people in order to get whatever their goal is.

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Speaker 16: But when it comes to caring about other people, there's

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Speaker 16: zero of that. People say, oh, well, you know that

498
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 16: type of crime, it's a victimless crime because nobody's physically heard.

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Speaker 16: That's a bunch of bulls. The mental trauma, the emotional

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Speaker 16: trauma that people go through, particularly those in this case

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Speaker 16: that have had a loved one go through that type

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Speaker 16: of cancer. You know, it's unconscionable what she did.

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Speaker 2: The fact that a judge hands down straight probation just

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Speaker 2: is infuriating. This woman clearly premeditated her whole plot to

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Speaker 2: steal from generous souls trying to help her battle cancer.

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Speaker 2: It was all a scam, a fake.

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Speaker 1: Guys, You've got to hear more of this woman.

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Speaker 2: I've got so much of this woman talking about her

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Speaker 2: ailment while other people like you heard our friend Stephanie

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Speaker 2: Condon Oldrieve talking about what she went through as her

511
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Speaker 2: father suffered pancreatic cancer. Okay, listen to our cut twenty

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Speaker 2: I hear she goes again.

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Speaker 5: The first word that comes to mind is just ugly.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's an ugly disease. It's nasty, it's it's

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Speaker 5: very just aggressive, and you know it wants to just

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Speaker 5: kill everything. But at the same time, I think I would.

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Speaker 1: Describe it as kind of.

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Speaker 5: Like like a I don't know, like ever changing, because

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Speaker 5: it changes you as a person, and I guess I'm

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Speaker 5: kind of going into like the spiritual side of it

521
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Speaker 5: a little bit, but like when I can, it truly

522
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Speaker 5: changes you. Like I feel like I'm a whole different

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Speaker 5: person than from when I was, you know, before February,

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Speaker 5: like just my outlook on life and.

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Speaker 2: Her spiritual side, my rear end, her spiritual side. That's

526
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Speaker 2: her speaking to hosts on The Purple Podcast. Caleb Brantley

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Speaker 2: joining from dailymail dot com. I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: to say about this woman. So somebody noticed she had

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Speaker 2: her tubes and her.

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Speaker 1: Port in the wrong place.

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about all the people across the world

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Speaker 2: that have to have a port where they're jabbed so

533
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Speaker 2: many times they finally just put in a semi permanent

534
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Speaker 2: port so they don't have to have needles stuck in

535
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Speaker 2: them all the time. And here she is with her

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Speaker 2: fake port. What is happening with this woman?

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Speaker 15: Well, when officers went to her house, I want to

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Speaker 15: take you through what was seized from her apartment. There

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Speaker 15: was a brown paper bag with medical supplies, an ivy

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Speaker 15: poll with a feeding pump that was filled with cotton balls,

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Speaker 15: two boxes of transparent medical dressing, a wig, some cash,

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Speaker 15: and pills for nausea that were actually in her mother's name,

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Speaker 15: not even for her. So she went through all of

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Speaker 15: the efforts to get the supply that made it look

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Speaker 15: like she had this disease. And not only that she

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Speaker 15: stole money, but she also stole photos from people who

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Speaker 15: suffered from these cancers and posted them as her own

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Speaker 15: to pass them off.

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Speaker 2: You know, just when I think I've seen it all,

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Speaker 2: Kirby Clements, somebody like this comes along, and you and

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Speaker 2: I have seen a lot of bad people, and our

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00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: line of business that's really kind of alwas see are

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Speaker 2: the very worst of society. I've seen killers, rapists, child molesters,

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Speaker 2: you name it, drug lords, you have to but I

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Speaker 2: got to tell you, this girl is right up there

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Speaker 2: with the worst of the worst, basically taking advantage of

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Speaker 2: cancer victims.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, now from the defense perspective, I.

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Speaker 1: Would your dear lord, what go ahead?

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Speaker 9: She did take me while cancer victims are impacted. I

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Speaker 9: guess incidentally, she didn't actually take money from them. I

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Speaker 9: think she capitalized and there are some deep issues that

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Speaker 9: she probably has. As a defense lawyer, I mean, you're

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Speaker 9: not going to argue that she's not guilty. You just

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Speaker 9: gonna have to go in there and explain why she

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Speaker 9: did what she did and try to help get her

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Speaker 9: on the right track. I think there's some mental health

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Speaker 9: issues going on there. Maybe she liked the attention, now

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Speaker 9: self esteem, who knows. I mean, it's not an excuse

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Speaker 9: to cut a crime, which is why you obviously be

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Speaker 9: encouraging her to take a Please, I think I.

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Speaker 2: Know somebody's going to disagree with you, and her name

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Speaker 2: is Stephanie Condon old Rave. So, Stephanie, what do you

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Speaker 2: have to say to miss Madison Marie Russo?

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Speaker 7: Oh, I don't know. There's a range of feelings. You know,

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Speaker 7: you certainly feel you know, as a person that went

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Speaker 7: through a diagnosis with her dad, you certainly feel angry

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Speaker 7: that she would try to emulate those you know, symptoms

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Speaker 7: and pretend to be you sick when she's not. You know,

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Speaker 7: from you know, I certainly don't have a law degree,

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Speaker 7: but I know, from a you know, a charity perspective,

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Speaker 7: we'd certainly want to see individuals like that prosecuted because

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Speaker 7: it does so much damage just to our donor base,

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Speaker 7: you know, and you know, and anyone that supported her,

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Speaker 7: you know, would feel a sense of being taken advantage of.

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Speaker 7: Especially you know, when you look at pancredic cancer, the

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Speaker 7: average age is about sixty years old, and those are

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Speaker 7: a lot of the age groups that are being scammed

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Speaker 7: and targeted.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're so right, and you think about it in

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Speaker 2: that perspective, Madison Russo scams nearly forty thousand dollars. The

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Speaker 2: judge hands down a suspended sentence.

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 18: Over four hundred people sent Madison Russo donations. Russo's claims

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Speaker 18: of being ill unraveled when medical professionals caught on to

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Speaker 18: just disrepancies in her story, resulting in her arrest. Russeau

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Speaker 18: pleaded guilty to first degree theft charges after she scammed

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Speaker 18: more than thirty seven thousand dollars. Russeou told the judge

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Speaker 18: that she faked the cancer diagnosis to garner more attention

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Speaker 18: from her family. The twenty year old apologized as she

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Speaker 18: sobbed in court, saying she knows what she did was

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Speaker 18: wrong and wished she had sought out help regarding her family.

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Speaker 18: A judge handed down a ten year suspended sentence. She

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Speaker 18: must pay thirty nine thousand dollars in restitution, and then

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Speaker 18: she must herself pay a one three hundred and seventy

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Speaker 18: dollars fine. If she stays out of trouble for the

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Speaker 18: length of her three years probation, Russo won't have to

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Speaker 18: go to jail. A defense request that Russo's conviction be

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Speaker 18: wiped off her record if Russo successfully completes her probation

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Speaker 18: was denied by the judge. Russo must also do one

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Speaker 18: hundred hours of community service.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to the weak link and the

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Speaker 2: judicial system. Judge John helene.

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Speaker 19: I can certainly appreciate and understand their thoughts that a

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Speaker 19: criminal the time in jail is appropriate. However, you have

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Speaker 19: no prior criminal records. You were and are very run young.

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Speaker 19: You have been cooperative with the prosecution, and you agreed

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Speaker 19: that at least the victims that directly donated to your

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Speaker 19: campaign will be made whole by the restitution. You have

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Speaker 19: also suffered a very real and substantial punishment of the local, national,

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Speaker 19: and even international coverage of your crime. The Court has

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Speaker 19: determined that no further purpose would be served by rejecting

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Speaker 19: the plea agreement and requiring the parties to take this

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Speaker 19: case to trial, simply so the sentencing judge could have

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Speaker 19: the option of placing you in prison, which would that

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Speaker 19: would be the result if I did not suspend the

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Speaker 19: sentences here today.

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Speaker 2: Man, I would have this woman picking up trash on

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Speaker 2: the side of the road for the next five years

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Speaker 2: on the chain gang for Pete's sake, with a big

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Speaker 2: sign I faked cancer and I stole money. But you

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Speaker 2: know what, long story short, she dodges prison time. You

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Speaker 2: know what, Sometimes there just ain't no justice. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 2: crime story, signing off, goodbye friend.