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Speaker 1: Mmmm. Welcome to the State of the Lakers podcast. Everyone,

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Welcome to the end of the week. I

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Speaker 1: hope you all have a nice, easy day as we

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Speaker 1: head into the weekend. Roger, how are you doing this morning? Man?

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Speaker 1: Doing great? Man, beautiful morning. It's kind of weird there's

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Speaker 1: no basketball. Well, I guess the Olympics is kind of

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Speaker 1: uh is here now? Um, so that's kind of where

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Speaker 1: I'll turn to. Yeah, we've started this summer. It feels

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Speaker 1: like it's gonna be a long summer with the conversation

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Speaker 1: that's already been happening. But yeah, doing doing well. How

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Speaker 1: are you man? Yeah? I feel like we're lucky because, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, but you know, we took an off season

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Speaker 1: in March last year, literally four months we just didn't

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Speaker 1: watch any basketball, and so as a result of that,

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Speaker 1: everything is compressed. Like there was a seventy two to

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Speaker 1: seventy one day off season for the Lakers last year,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm pretty sure this year it's like seventy

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Speaker 1: two days again because it got pushed the season got

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Speaker 1: pushed back, and then they're trying to start right at

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Speaker 1: their normal time in October. So I think we just

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Speaker 1: have about two and a half months that we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be waiting um in this particular off season, and like

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Speaker 1: you said, it's gonna be one thing after the other.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be free agency, it's gonna be the draft,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be Summer League, it's gonna be trades, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be training camp, and the next thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: will be covering preseason games. So it's like this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be moving pretty quick. I mean, you and I

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Speaker 1: have discussed about what we wanted to do during the

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Speaker 1: off season, you know, just for content. And the truth

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Speaker 1: in terms of like additional stuff, because we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: plenty to talk about. But I'm doing good. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to talk. We're gonna talk about the Uh. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the basketball in Game six between

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Speaker 1: the Bucks and Sons, and then we'll talk about Janice

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Speaker 1: and what this accomplishment means for him, uh and where

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Speaker 1: where he stands at this point in his career. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Then we're gonna talk a little bit about some of

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Speaker 1: the crazy Lakers rumors that were going around, particularly centering

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Speaker 1: around them potentially wanting Russell Westbrook or Chris Paul and

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Speaker 1: then the one this morning about Kyle Lowry and DeMar

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Speaker 1: So like a couple of Lakers topics that will hit afterwards,

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Speaker 1: But let's start with the Bucks. So, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: what an interesting kind of inevitable and to the series,

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Speaker 1: the Bucks continue to just physically maul them. Um. And

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Speaker 1: like they're one kind of physical presence that they had

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Speaker 1: he just wilted a little bit physically as that series

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Speaker 1: went along. He was throwing up some kind of Jakie

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Speaker 1: And overall they just continued to pound them on the

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Speaker 1: can't win that way. The Nix might have been the

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Speaker 1: four straight games. Um, And that's what happens when you

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Speaker 1: get physically mauled. But you know, did you kind of

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Speaker 1: feel like that was inevitable or did you think Phoenix

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Speaker 1: was gonna pull that out there for a minute. Yeah

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Speaker 1: for a second, because I mean Bud kind of switched

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Speaker 1: his game planning. I thought he played a lot more

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Speaker 1: they got physically mauled um Aiden. I feel like it

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Speaker 1: He wasn't able to get to his like little jump

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Speaker 1: to me, that's the story. Chris Paul obviously struggled in

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Speaker 1: that was the story, just being relentless attacking the rim

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Speaker 1: you see that as well? Honest and Drew kind of

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Speaker 1: First for starting it was it was the best game

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Speaker 1: he was taking shots. The timeliness of when he decided

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk about how bad CP three has been,

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Speaker 1: I think we both thought that Drew and Middleton wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Ingles um Royce O'Neil is probably the most physical guy,

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Speaker 1: but still he's undersized, kind of wing um. D see

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Speaker 1: it's just laughable, Like, yeah, they can spread the floor,

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Speaker 1: like we can talk about later, like the Kemba rumors

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Speaker 1: he talks after the game or like after you know,

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Speaker 1: with the tears, he talks like he's thirty six, you

433
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he's been through all these

434
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 1: playoff wars already, and you know he was judged he

435
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 1: was too successful too early, right, Like he was so

436
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 1: good so early. People put all these um lofty kind

437
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 1: of expectations on him. You're supposed to win the title

438
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 1: right away. You know, you're back to back m v P.

439
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 1: Can you win? Can you win with the honest as

440
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 1: your best player? People calling Middleton the batman? You know,

441
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 1: all this stuff that was just kind of even crazy

442
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 1: in the moment. I feel like like you talked about

443
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,640
Speaker 1: the free throws, hitting the seventeen for nineteen or whatever.

444
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 1: I like when you respect the game, like the game

445
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,880
Speaker 1: kind of gives back to you, you know what I mean,

446
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 1: Like he he never like stopped trying to get to

447
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 1: the line. He never stopped trying to attack the basket.

448
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 1: You know, he never like even though he didn't shoot

449
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 1: the free throws. Well, like when you do that, I

450
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: feel like the game kind of gives gives the game

451
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: back to you. And I think that's what happened is

452
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: freed Tho started to go down. Um, but from here

453
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: he can even get better. Right. He saw him get

454
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 1: more comfortable with that turnaround fade away. Um, he started,

455
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 1: he's getting even more comfortable with his jump shot. Like

456
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: he's so young. It's weird because he's talked about as

457
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,239
Speaker 1: like a like even he said, he's like, even if

458
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: we don't win another one, it's okay, we did our job. Um.

459
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy to hear him talk like that.

460
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, he really elevated his game. And people who

461
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: have finals like that is rare. That's why I put

462
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: the a D one last year in a rare form.

463
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 1: I put this one in a rare form. People who

464
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: are who put up numbers like this in the NBA finals,

465
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 1: I feel like it should mean more. You should get

466
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 1: more like credit for doing it when it matters, and um,

467
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 1: he did, so you had credit to him. But there's

468
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 1: a lot more basketball for that guy to play like

469
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: he's young, and I think that's what's getting so lost

470
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: in this, Like he's he's talked about as like a

471
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: complete Like people are comparing this ring to Dirk, like

472
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: Dirk won his ring like super late, you know, after

473
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 1: Like but you know, you're honest, winning there at twenty

474
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: six is just in a insane, insane moment for him. Yeah,

475
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 1: you know, I tweeted yesterday that I thought that people

476
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: don't even really realize how good he's going to be.

477
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: And I really mean that, and I'm and I don't

478
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Speaker 1: necessarily think it has to be attached to uh, you know,

479
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: high level three point shooting or anything along those lines.

480
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: I mentioned basketball i Q in that last thing that

481
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: I was talking about having to do with the little

482
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: plays it takes to win games. Well, he's never gonna

483
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: be a Lebron where he's making these like super surgical

484
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: passes that just pick defense as apart. That's not gonna

485
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: be in his in his you know, archetype of who

486
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Speaker 1: he is as a basketball player. But what he can

487
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: get better at is just little reads, you know, uh,

488
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: a little uh little into interpretations of a defense that

489
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Speaker 1: he doesn't make at this point where he's going to

490
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: get to the point where his little hook shot and

491
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: his little turnaround and his little one like fade away

492
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: are so consistent that he's going to start attracting more

493
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: attention off of good shooters, you know, like there that

494
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna have that gravity kind of pulled towards him,

495
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: and guys like Middleton, guys like Drew Holiday are gonna

496
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: be even more open than they are at this point,

497
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: and he's gonna get just a little bit better at

498
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: interpreting that, a little bit better at hitting those guys,

499
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: a little bit better at reading help defense, so he knows,

500
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, when to go to his spin move and

501
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: when to not spin back into the help defender and

502
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: things along those lines, those little details on the margin,

503
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: in addition to slight improvement with his hook shot and

504
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: his turnaround jump shot and his one like fade away.

505
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: I know that doesn't seem like much, but that's the

506
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: difference between him being what he is now and being

507
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 1: twice his effective in my opinion, And the same goes

508
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: defensively and interpreting plays and and just you know, he's

509
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: he's not terrific on the ball right now. That's another

510
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: thing that he can get better at overtime, just his

511
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: instincts and being better at anticipation. And because Kevin Durant

512
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of has his number right now in isolation where

513
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: he can just get him with some shifty stuff and

514
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: get him off balance and get by him. That's something

515
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Speaker 1: he'll get better at. His time. Him goes on like

516
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: he right now, he's Shack, which is crazy. And I

517
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: think he's capable of being an even higher level version

518
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: of Shock, which is scary to think about. And I

519
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: you and I talked about this like two or three

520
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: podcasts ago, but you know, he is capable of having

521
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 1: a seven eight year run that rivals the greats, and

522
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: all he has to do is rack up, you know,

523
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: a few championships in that run, and he then he's

524
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: right up there with the Larry Birds and the Magic Johnson's. Now,

525
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: obviously he's not there yet, But I don't think it's

526
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: asinine to say that Janice has the potential to be

527
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Speaker 1: considered one of the greatest basketball players ever like and that,

528
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 1: and I tweeted this a few weeks back, but like,

529
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: letting him get one this year was was trouble because

530
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't think he's the best guy yet, Like, like

531
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: we let him get one when he's not the best guy,

532
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: Just wait till he's the best guy. It's just gonna

533
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: get easier and easier for him as time goes on.

534
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: And and uh, I think I you mentioned this at

535
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: the beginning of your last bit, but like such an

536
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: incredibly emotionally mature guy. And and I I think like

537
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: he learned a lot from the Crown situation last year.

538
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: Like I think I think he jumped his own gun

539
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: a little bit. And it's funny because he just won

540
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: the title and he's acting more humble now than he

541
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: did during his MVP run uh last season. And I

542
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: just I think I think he's got all the right

543
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: intangibles and all the right motivation and and he's gonna

544
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: be and he's gonna be fun to root for. And uh,

545
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what the media decides to

546
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: turn into the thing that we hate about j honest,

547
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: because you know how that goes, We're gonna find there's

548
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: gonna be some subset of of basketball Twitter that just

549
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: decides they hate the guy and and then end up

550
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: being complicated. His accolades always going to look insane next

551
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: to a ring, in my opinion, like he had the

552
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: two m vps already, two m vps, Like go look

553
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: at the guys who won two m vps as a

554
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: super short list, you know, I mean Kobe each when

555
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: he years has one m VP to his name, Kim

556
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: Durant one m v P like that. Those m vps

557
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: are I think Lebron has three, like just like I

558
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: was thinking about four okay, four okay, but yeah, like

559
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: those the guys who have multiple m vps is a

560
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: really short list. Um. And yeah, and he can get

561
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: better at the free throw line like all those kind

562
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: of things. Um, but he's a legend already. I wanted

563
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: to ask you about this because he he talked about

564
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 1: the super teams thing, and I think that was like

565
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: my favorite kind of Did you see that quote from

566
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: him about the super team That was my favorite kind

567
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: of bit from him where he was like I could

568
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: have gone to another team and it would have been

569
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: easy like that. That's the part that got lost to

570
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: me is where he said it would have been easy.

571
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: I could go and play my role on a super

572
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: team and and and one a champion. She was doing easy,

573
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: but I did it the hard way, you know what

574
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean? And I think that's kind of his whole

575
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: brand is like this, like I've done it the tough way.

576
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of what Damian Lillard tries to sell as

577
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: well in Portland, which is kind of breaking down. But like,

578
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: what did you think of that kind of quote? Did

579
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: you read in and read into into it at all?

580
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: Or is that just him kind of speaking as a

581
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: like like globally around the league, or is it like

582
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: a shot at like James Harden or something, or like

583
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: what did you see anything from that that quote? I

584
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: don't think it's necessarily a shot at anybody. Um. I

585
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: do think that it's just a player controlling his narrative,

586
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, like, and I'm okay with it, especially from

587
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: a winner. You know. Lebron came out after last season,

588
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: uh posted an Instagram post of him smoking a cigar,

589
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: saying up in smoke season and talk trash the entire year.

590
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: Uh when and When on a podcast tour, said it

591
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: was the hardest title ever, all this stuff, and I

592
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: don't even necessarily agree with everything that he said as

593
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,239
Speaker 1: even as a Lebron fan. Uh that said, you know,

594
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with the guy who wins

595
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: going out and telling the story. The thing that you

596
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: have to keep in mind is that every time you

597
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: start talking, like every everything with basketball is about what

598
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 1: have you done for me lately? I mean, Kauai won

599
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: a championship in two thousand nineteen and then did a

600
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: whole New Balance campaign about how he was coming to

601
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: Los Angeles to effectively take the crown. And I'm not

602
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: making that up. It was. There was ads that had

603
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: him in it that he was intimately involved in that

604
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: talked about how this is his city and then he

605
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: had a crown on his key chain and all this stuff.

606
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Like the problem is is when when you talk and

607
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: you start to control the narrative, you have to continue

608
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: to back that up. So you know, I have absolutely

609
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: no problem with you, honest talking. He just has to

610
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: be aware of the fact that next season, if he

611
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: falls short and gets outplayed by somebody, that there will

612
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: be detractors that will weaponize what he said in this

613
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: particular off season. Now, as far as the logic behind it,

614
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too deep into this, but

615
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: of course I disagree with that concept. Like, first of all,

616
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: the best player that Lebron managed to play with in

617
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: seven seasons in Cleveland was Moe Williams. Okay, that was

618
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: literally the best player. And he was a player that

619
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: had success in the regular season as a secondary score,

620
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: but had two really bad post seasons by his standards

621
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: compared to what he did in the regular season. That

622
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: was the best that Cleveland could muster to put alongside him. Milwaukee,

623
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, are Chris Middleton in rw Holiday your bona

624
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: fide superstars. No they're not, but that team has a

625
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: lot of talent. Drew Holiday is capable of taking a

626
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: top ten NBA player and Chris Paul and making him

627
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: significantly less impactful than he normally is. Chris Middleton in

628
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: this playoff run was right around effective field goal percentage

629
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: and right around twenty four points per game. That's right

630
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: up there with the Kyrie Irving type of postseason that

631
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: he was having alongside us alongside Lebron, and similar in

632
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: a lot of ways because he made a lot of

633
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: big shots the way that the way that Kyrie did

634
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: and are this series swung on Game four and five,

635
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: which both were crunch time games, which both involved Chris

636
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: Middleton running the majority of the offense at the end

637
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: of the game. So my point is is, like, let

638
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: him talk his let him talk his ship. He deserves too.

639
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: I disagree with his assessment that he had the easy

640
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: way be or that he didn't take the easy way,

641
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: that he took the hard way, because like he had

642
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: a lot of talent on his team, and quite frankly,

643
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: if there wasn't Chris Middleton and Drew Holiday on this roster,

644
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: he's probably not in Milwaukee right now, He's probably somewhere else.

645
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: So but at the end of the day, winner gets

646
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: to tell the story. I'm not gonna sit there and

647
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: and and talk a bunch of trash and let him

648
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: have his moment. But yeah, if you're asking me if

649
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: I think he's being disingenuous, yeah, but I also think

650
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: Lebron was being disingenuous when he said that that was

651
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: the most challenging title ever. So it's just kind of

652
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: like narrative controlling superstar stuff, you know. And this last

653
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: thing I'll say, like everyone talks about how humble you

654
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: Honese is. Uh. I certainly think he's a lot better

655
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: in the media at portraying himself as someone who's very

656
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: down to earth, but none of these guys are all

657
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: that humble, Okay, Like you're it's just about impossible to

658
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: be one of the best basketball players in the world

659
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: and not be extremely confident in what you can do.

660
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: And Steff is a great example of this. Like Steph

661
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: is magnificent in the media at just being the nicest,

662
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: greatest guy, but that dude is a psychopath, Like he

663
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: literally wants to murder you on the court in genuinely

664
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: thinks he's better than everybody, as he should. And I'm

665
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: okay with them being wired that way. But I think

666
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: one of the things that I do appreciate about Lebron

667
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: is he's very arrogant and pompous and showy and dramatic

668
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: in the media, but that's who he genuinely is, and

669
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: he's kind of just leaning into that and and and

670
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: it's at least with Lebron, it's like you never have

671
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: to question whether or not he thinks he's very confident

672
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: or very showy, because that's just that's his personality and

673
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: that's that's and he just kind of leans into that.

674
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: He's the guy that will make a shot and go

675
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: to the crowd and wave his hand like this, asking

676
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: for a round of applause like that. That's that's the

677
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: way Lebron is and and he gets it and he

678
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: leans into it. Some guys like to be very humble

679
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: in the media, but then put crowns on their head

680
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: when they make a big three in a regular season game.

681
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: So every all I'm saying is don't don't always buy

682
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: into the persona. But I say that as someone who

683
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: likes you honest for the record, Yeah, yeah, And I

684
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: don't think it's home is his fake. I just think

685
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: like it looks a guy who's different on the court.

686
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: I think Chris Paul is into this too, right, Chris

687
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: Paul is probably an asshole on the court, right, And

688
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: and that's what everyone says, does everything to win, all

689
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff off the court, gentleman, you know,

690
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: vice president of Players Association and all that stuff is

691
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: just coincidned on. These dudes have to change on the court.

692
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: You're it's a competition, is physical? Um your honest? You

693
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: could tell you don't get to where your honest is

694
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: without having some sort of inner kind of motivation, inner

695
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: kind of I'm gonna kick your ass every single night. Um,

696
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: it was cool. My last thing on your honest I

697
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: remember watching the document There was this documentary on him

698
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: and it was a moment where like he figured out

699
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: he could average twenty and ten at night. Like it

700
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: was the moment he liked. One night he had twenty

701
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: and then like the next night he had twenty again.

702
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: And he went to his agents and his friend. He's like,

703
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: I could do this every night, and the agents like really,

704
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, and he went an average ten. And

705
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: I think that's really awesome that he was just like, oh,

706
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: I could do this every night and no one can

707
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: stop me. And so he did and he continued to

708
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: do it. I think they were having negotiations with this

709
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: shoe deal and it was a really low number or something.

710
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: He said, Oh no, no, no, it's gonna be way higher.

711
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: I can do this. I can have average twenty and

712
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: ten easily. So I think that's really cool. See a

713
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: guy who's consists Dan doesn't stop motors. Incredible. Those the

714
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: guys that should win. Um, it's good for the league

715
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: to small market uh as, I don't know Milwaukee has

716
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: sixty five thou people outside watching on By the way, Yeah,

717
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how smaller market actually is. But but yeah,

718
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 1: it's just awesome for a guy who stayed, you know,

719
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: on the super Max um and and gets the ring.

720
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: So we'll see Milwaukee goes here. But it's it's a

721
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: really awesome story for him. Yeah, we're gonna dive more into,

722
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: you know, where all of the chips fall after this season. Probably,

723
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: I think I think we'll probably take about a week

724
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: off after this and we'll come we'll come back next

725
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: week and and do like some player ranking stuff and

726
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, how Yanna stacks up against other guys.

727
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: Just today's not the day for that. Uh. Today's the

728
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: day to give props uh, and and make sure that

729
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: Jannie that most of the conversation centering around him is positive. Um.

730
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: So for today, we only have about ten more minutes.

731
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about some of those Laker topics that

732
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: that I had brought up. So for starters, are you

733
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: with me? It is absolutely insane to be going to

734
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: great lengths to bring in Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook.

735
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: Absolute well, so for Chris Paul, I mean if he

736
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: was like, it's never gonna happen. He's the president of

737
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: the Players Association, he can't take a discount. But if

738
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: he came for like our taxpayer, Emily, which is like

739
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: six million dollars, yeah, you have to take the half

740
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: of it or whatever so that you don't trigger the

741
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: hardcap to exactly. So if he came for like six million,

742
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: Chris Paul with open arms, you know what I mean.

743
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: Russell westbrook absolutely not. Russell Westbrooks on a super max contract,

744
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: which means he's getting paid forty million dollars or something

745
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: a year. Um, yeah, that is absolutely insane, Chris Paul,

746
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: So thirty six, you know, so just not feasible. Moods

747
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: for this team also don't fit, like the culture of

748
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: the team, which which is like a hard nosed defensive

749
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: I just think, like I don't know about you, just

750
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: from a basketball fit, like Lebron is going to be

751
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: the ball handler when it matters. I don't want to

752
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: use my resources to get a thirty five forty million

753
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: dollar a guy who needs the ball in his hands,

754
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like a secondary creator makes sense.

755
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Dennis Schreuder should have fit that kind of build, But

756
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't want another super primary guy when I'd rather

757
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: use I'd rather feel out the roster in different ways

758
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: than than do that. If you have Lebron James on

759
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: your team, who was still at the not top of

760
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: his game, was still at a pretty peak level of creation,

761
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: playmaking and all that, you would you agree with that. Yeah,

762
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: I think you hit the nail on the head. Russell

763
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: Westbrooke and Chris Paul are overqualified for what the Lakers

764
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: need from that position. You know, one of the beautiful

765
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 1: things about the Dennis Schroder experience is that even though

766
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: he was aggressive, there was a clear deference to Lebron

767
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: and when when when the important moments of the games came,

768
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: Dennis just went to Lebron. I I think Russ and

769
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: Chris Paul in particular, their egos would get in the

770
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: way in the sense that that might kind of that

771
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: balance might go the wrong way to where, like you said,

772
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: the vast majority of the primary decision making needs to

773
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: be made by Lebron be because he is one of

774
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: the best in the world at that if not the best,

775
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: And so I just don't necessarily love that particular fit. Um.

776
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about Kyle Lowry and Demarta

777
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: Rosen in a minute, and those two guys make a

778
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: lot more sense because Demarta Rosen is not a decision maker.

779
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: He's actually an underrated passer, but he fulfills a need

780
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: in terms of shot making, in terms of a guy

781
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: who can come in with when Lebron's off the floor,

782
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: when Lebron's off the ball, and create shots for himself,

783
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: and then when the defense commits to him, he can

784
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: make simple reads. But he's not a pound the air

785
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: out of the basketball guy who's going to disrupt Lebron

786
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis's rhythm. Same goes for Kyle Lowry. Kyle

787
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: Lowry is I is, like I've been preaching this since

788
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: last year's trade deadline. He's the ideal fit in terms

789
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: of what the Lakers need from that position. And then

790
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: when once you factor in all the salary stuff, like

791
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: you said Chris Paul as a guy who's the head

792
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: of the VP of the Players Association, and then everything

793
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: that comes with the Russell Westbrook experience, I just in

794
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: his salary at at forty plus million a year, I

795
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: just don't the type, the lengths they would have to go,

796
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: the depth they would have to give up, the crazy

797
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: things they would have to pull to get those guys

798
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: on board to then not be the ideal fit doesn't

799
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: make any sense to me. And so that that did.

800
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: I haven't done too much digging into this lowry De

801
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: ros and stuff, but just from a basketball perspective, it

802
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: makes so much more sense to me. Yeah, and with

803
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: de Rosen, like he's a great player, great creator. You know,

804
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: he's gotten really good as a pastor as well. But again,

805
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: you you don't get de Rosen for like whatever that

806
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: salary I just mentioned the five and a half million um.

807
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: And also like if you were going to trade, you

808
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: have to trade a bunch, you have to trade Shrewder

809
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: probably k CP th h T. You know, we have

810
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: different feelings about HD, but like it's just it's gonna

811
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: be a ton of And I'd also like them to

812
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: get younger kind of in that area as well. I

813
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: think Shrewder was the right idea twenty year old guard,

814
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, a guy with some youth, some rhythm um

815
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: into him. Um. I just think it's tough trading for

816
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: already six year old cars, Like that's you're really like

817
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: I have I think Ricky tweeted this, but like, you know,

818
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: you have some PTSD with Steve Nash in two thousand twelve.

819
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: You know Steve nash Game. I think he was thirty

820
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: nine at the time. I don't remember a thirty nine,

821
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, but he was. He had a great season

822
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: that previous season, you know, and they traded two first

823
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: round picks for him. Um and that just didn't work out.

824
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: He got injured the first play the game. I'm not

825
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: saying those two guards would get injured, but you know,

826
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: when you get older players, you have more of a

827
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: chance of that. We just went through a huge injury

828
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: riddled season. Um and, and I'd like some kind of

829
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: youth and infuse players there if they could get some

830
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: getting young. I don't know who they can go after,

831
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: but I just think trading for thirty six year old

832
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: guards is not the move for this team right now.

833
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: Do you think this is all smoking mirrors as a

834
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: negotiation ploy with Dennis basically like we're looking for a

835
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: new playmaker, we're looking for this, We're looking for this

836
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: basically basically sending a signal to Dennis and his agent

837
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: that we're going to walk away from the table if

838
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: you don't take a discount. Do you think that's what

839
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: this is? Yeah? So I feel actually think the Lakers

840
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: are gonna get Chris Paul Russ Russ, right, I mean

841
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: that's yeah, Like for me, like with all free agents,

842
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: two rumors, there's like three sides to every rumor, right,

843
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: there's one side, one side in the truth. Like there's

844
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: like precise to every one of this. I don't know

845
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: what's what's true or not. Did you see the Dennis

846
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: Shrewder and Kuzuma were fighting all year kind of rumor

847
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: as well? Do you know where did you see that?

848
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: I think Jordan's Schultz he too that like Dennis and Kuzma,

849
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: we're having we're having arguments that really increased as the

850
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: playoffs went on, um as the bosses went on again,

851
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Like, I don't know what to take

852
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: for any of this stuff. Shooter obviously, I mean there's

853
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: no it's no secret he wants to get paid. He

854
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: wants the hundred million dollars or whatever. The Lakers are

855
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: gonna offer whatever they want, um, and maybe there's a

856
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: sign and trade to work into that. But yeah, like

857
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: maybe I'm sure his agent has wants him to get

858
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: the most money and maybe this is a way to

859
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: do it. But I really don't know. I don't know

860
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: what to take from any of this. Uh, the rumors

861
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: always are strange to me. I don't know where one leaves.

862
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: Always these new people who you know, didn't watch a

863
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: single Laker game this year. Somehow I've inside sources on

864
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: what's what's going on. So it's it's a strange season

865
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: for sure. I do you know, I want to shout

866
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: out the podcast because I know some of the aggregators

867
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: failed too. But the Laker side chats with Alan Romits,

868
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: he had who's the writer that he had on Eric Pinkas, Yeah,

869
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: and and he basically brought up an interesting point. Uh,

870
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, winning cures everything. Winning is the is the

871
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: is the attitude that that makes people more willing to

872
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: deal with being unhappy in their specific role or or

873
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a little bit of locker room chemistry stuff,

874
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And he's he basically said, like, you know,

875
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: last year they were winning, everyone was willing to fall

876
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: into place. This year was rocky and they lost, and

877
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: everyone's a little bit less and they're less patient, they're

878
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: a little more fed up, they're a little bit more irritable.

879
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: Things along those lines. Well, I'm not surprised at all

880
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: that that guys could be yelling at each other in

881
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: practice and things along those lines. Easily the most fascinating

882
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: part of it. I mean, the Kuzma thing makes sense.

883
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're Kyle Kuzma, it's like you've won

884
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: a title. You know, all your peers are out as

885
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: the best player on their team getting tons of shots.

886
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: You're stuck behind Lebron Anthony Davis, and now you're stuck

887
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: behind Dennis shrewder To. He's getting more shots than you.

888
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: It's it's this whole thing, right, and and and you

889
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: feel like maybe it's time for you to spread your

890
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: wings and fly. I get that. This stuff with Dennis

891
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: and all these other guys that came in that didn't

892
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: even win the title, that's where that's where it gets wild.

893
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: Is just the uh, the the unwillingness to buy in

894
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: when you don't even have the trophy or the ring yet.

895
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: That's been very unusual for me, But I'm with you,

896
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: Like I the Derosian C. J. McCollum type of archetype

897
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: makes the most sense to me because genuinely, what the

898
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: Lakers need, in my opinion, is a guy that can

899
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: take a ball screen and force the defender to go

900
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: over the top. That that's key. It's it's so important

901
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: for a lot of different reasons because, like we saw

902
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: with Dennis all season long, they went under every single

903
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: screen with him because he didn't make anybody pay shooting

904
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: over the top. And half the time he would get

905
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: into his little like kind of side step in and out,

906
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: drill will pull up a little fifteen footer as he's

907
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: fading out of bounds. Getting the defender to chase the

908
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: guard over the screen is the key to unlocking the rollman.

909
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: This is something that we saw at length with Trey

910
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: Young and with Chris Paul and with Devin Booker against

911
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: the book, against a really really good Bucks defense, and

912
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: especially when your role man is Anthony Davis or Lebron

913
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: or somebody along those lines, it brings even even more

914
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: to the table. I don't even think that player needs

915
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: to be a super high end passer, just having somebody

916
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: that can take a ball screen and force you to

917
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: switch or force you to go over the top, because

918
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: a guy like c J or a guy like De

919
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: Marta Rosen, if you go under the screen, is going

920
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: to pull up and knock the shot down every single time.

921
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: That kind of thing I think makes way more sense

922
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: in their offense than looking for a guy who's going

923
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: to dribble the air out of the basketball, you know,

924
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: and take Lebron and a d out of his ribb

925
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: out of their rhythms the way that Rondo did. I

926
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: felt like, sometimes that's kind of where that's kind of

927
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: where I'm at, and so that's why I didn't. I

928
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: was kind of scoffing at those particular rumors. Yeah, CJ

929
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: would be c J would be a great get, kind

930
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: of a guy who can shot create um, create off

931
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: the dribble. Also he can hit spot up threes as well, right,

932
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: Like he's a good shooter. Um. That would be kind

933
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: of the gift for me. But again, like he makes

934
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: also like what million dollars a year two, he'd be

935
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: pretty much had to give up Kuzma, KCP your guard,

936
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: deb I think we worth it. I think I just

937
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: don't know what if Portland will do that unless Dame

938
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: kind of unless the Dame situation really flames out. That's

939
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: where you kind of have to go bargain hunting, and

940
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: that's a situation at that point they're they're blowing up. Yeah,

941
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: that's the only way I would see it. See it.

942
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't see any of these Westbrook, Chris Paul,

943
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: even Kyle Lowry to an extent, like I don't know

944
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: why like Toronto would help do that unless he just

945
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: signs here as a free agent for the minimum amount

946
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: of money. But I was signing trade with Dennis. Maybe

947
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: that that could be the other option there. Those are

948
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: more realistic to me than than a than a Chris

949
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: Paul Russell Westbrook. So yeah, these rumors are gonna be

950
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: flying though. You're gonna see almost every star player kind

951
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: of be linked here. Eventually you're gonna see Bradley Beale.

952
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: Eventually you're gonna see all the all the big time

953
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: players the Lakers get thrown get their names thrown in there.

954
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: So it's kind of hard to decipher what's real what's

955
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: not in these situations. Um, a lot of people, again,

956
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: like I said, I didn't follow the team at all,

957
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: somehow have inside, inside sources into the brain trust of this.

958
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I don't think a Westbrook move or

959
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: Chris Paul kind of fits what the team has done

960
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: since Magic has stepped down, you know what I mean.

961
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: They've been really conservative, really uh careful with who they

962
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: sign um and not doing big, long term dumb deals.

963
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: Um so. So we'll see though, but that's kind of

964
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: where I'm at with those. Yeah, I agree, and and

965
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: this is literally the last thing I'm gonna say, uh

966
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: to all of these people out there. This was the

967
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: same phenomenon that happened before the Anthony Davis trade, Okay?

968
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: Or is the Laker fan base a little over ambitious

969
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: with who they think they can get? Yeah, I would

970
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: agree with you that they're a little over ambitious, like

971
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: you're not You're not gonna go win the war for

972
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: Bradley Beale or for Dame Lillard. That they're just they're

973
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: physically incapable of it. Uh. That said, they're they're they're

974
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: in play for every other trade option that's that's out

975
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: there this summer. And the reason why is quit saying

976
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: the Lakers don't have assets. They absolutely do. Talent. Horton

977
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: Tucker is a legitimate asset that gms around the league

978
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: value Kyle Kuzma is is about. It's from what I

979
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: can gather, from what I've heard from from the people

980
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: that I trust on Twitter, it's like two thirds of

981
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: the league thinks he's overrated. But there's like a third

982
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: of the league that thinks if he gets into the

983
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: right situation, he can play. And the other thing with

984
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Kuzma is his number, his contract for what he

985
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: brings to the table as a good defensive player, a

986
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: good rebounder, and a guy who can get hot and

987
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: score off the bench. At twelve million a year or

988
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: whatever it is that he's making or thirteen million years,

989
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: that's actually a really good value. And then the Lakers

990
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: all there the the idea that the Lakers don't have

991
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: any draft picks. That's a fallacy that I the Lakers

992
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: have the ability to get into the trade market for

993
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: everybody except for Bradley Beale or Dame Lillard. Did you

994
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: have anything else you wanted to add today before we

995
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: get out of here? Uh? No, I think that's pretty

996
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: much it. Congrats for the Bucks. Uh And uh this

997
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: this is gonna move pretty quickly. We have the draft,

998
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: but in like six days or something. Is that? Is

999
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: it really that quick or is it? I don't know.

1000
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: I feel like this is about to run really quickly. Um.

1001
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I feel like the draft is

1002
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: coming up pretty soon. In some re leagues, in like

1003
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: less than a month. Um, so, yeah, this is gonna

1004
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: move pretty quick. We'll be here to cover it. Yeah.

1005
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: So Roger and I are gonna take about a week

1006
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: off and then we're gonna come back and do like

1007
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: just our our ti pickle offseason stuff. We'll talk a

1008
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: little bit about, you know, where we rank players, where

1009
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: we ranked teams going into next year. Uh, and then

1010
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: we'll talk off season stuff for the Lakers, will do

1011
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: a big offseason extravaganza type of deal, and then depending

1012
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: on how the time goes, we might do some other

1013
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: fun stuff. We were thinking about maybe going back and

1014
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: breaking down the way Roger and I like to break

1015
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: down games. We were thinking about breaking down some of

1016
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: the old Lakers championship series from the last couple of decades.

1017
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: But thank you guys so much for your support through

1018
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: this season. We sincerely appreciate it. It's been really crazy

1019
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: to see even just the way our little, our little

1020
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: deal has been growing. And I'm so excited to see

1021
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: where it goes next year. And uh, Roger, really, I

1022
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: really enjoy working with you man, and I'm really excited

1023
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: to see where this can go. And and uh, season

1024
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: one in the books from start to finish, you and

1025
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: I went the entire way for the first time. It

1026
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: was fun. Yeah, I didn't know. We did right back

1027
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: at you an exciting minut It should be a fun

1028
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: summer as well. So we get a lot to a

1029
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: lot to break down here. We'll we'll continue to do it,

1030
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: all right, everybody, have a good weekend and we will

1031
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: see you next week. E