Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own and look
Speaker 1: over there.
Speaker 2: How is that culture?
Speaker 1: Yes? Wow, lost culture.
Speaker 2: Danged lost.
Speaker 1: Lost Coca nutties, as it were three of these girls.
Speaker 2: I mean, not that long ago was it bit on
Speaker 2: this show that this was gonna be a talking Biden podcast.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be talking coconuts. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be talking context. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: gonna be talking unburdening. Recording this on Monday, July twenty second,
Speaker 2: and gosh, just over twenty four hours ago, we were
Speaker 2: rocked by the news, and I'm both engaged in a
Speaker 2: way that I have not been in a long time,
Speaker 2: and I'm also like completely overwhelmed, and I'm like I
Speaker 2: need to maybe get off this train. But it's not
Speaker 2: the time for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that certainly. Steve Kornaki has
Speaker 1: appeared on my television for the first time in many months,
Speaker 1: and I said, we are so back. You know what
Speaker 1: I thought about today? Oh, by the way, I'm hitting
Speaker 1: that blunt in just a second. You know what I
Speaker 1: thought about today? I literally had like a moment where
Speaker 1: I almost drove off the road thinking about like how triggered.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be when I hear the word maracopa,
Speaker 1: you know, like once we start getting into it, and
Speaker 1: just knowing that we're headed there, which is of course,
Speaker 1: in the macro like a very scary thought. And I
Speaker 1: think in the micro, I actually am feeling very celebratory
Speaker 1: and very hopeful and very excited. But there is so
Speaker 1: much left to go, and therefore, like I do completely
Speaker 1: identify with your overwhelm, because I mean, even in the
Speaker 1: two days between when we record this and when this
Speaker 1: comes out, who knows what's even gonna happen. It's just crazy.
Speaker 1: Someone made a joke like, oh, I bet in ten
Speaker 1: days we're gonna forget Trump was even like almost assassinated,
Speaker 1: and it bizarrely feels true. Everything is happening so fast.
Speaker 2: We just have to I hope that there is kind
Speaker 2: of a straight line all the way to middle aguess.
Speaker 2: Hm hm, but who fucking knows. I mean, you can't sit.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't write it. I mean, truth is truly
Speaker 1: stranger than fucking fiction, for sure.
Speaker 2: I'm smoking a new Flamer joint, a pre roll from
Speaker 2: flameor this Queer Run. I'm looking at their website. A
Speaker 2: bunch of hotties founded this.
Speaker 1: Love that And can I say, is this the same
Speaker 1: way that you were smoking yesterday? Because you know, my
Speaker 1: girl was happy, jovial and more.
Speaker 2: Can you talk about this because I think and this
Speaker 2: is the first time I felt this way in a
Speaker 2: long time. By the way, I put Flamor next to
Speaker 2: Sunday School, sort of the West Coast equivalent, although they
Speaker 2: are kind of making making in roads in the East.
Speaker 2: But but I left our little meeting yesterday, we had
Speaker 2: a little work session yesterday and I was coming in
Speaker 2: stone because oh this is man, I don't think so money.
Speaker 2: My body is just fucked and I don't know why
Speaker 2: I need. I need to get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I need a little bit of city,
Speaker 2: but get me up and activated. And I was like,
Speaker 2: Gabe Levin has this joke where he's like, this thing
Speaker 2: happens to me when I drink where I'm amazing, amazing,
Speaker 2: And that's how I felt leaving that session yesterday. I
Speaker 2: was like, that was I was a very good version.
Speaker 1: Of myself stoned in that situation. I just love to
Speaker 1: see you so happy, and I mean, that's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm reacting to, is like you were happy and like
Speaker 1: you seemed like yeah, I was just so happy to
Speaker 1: see you in this mode. And also wasn't that like
Speaker 1: that was about fifteen minutes after he had announced.
Speaker 2: That was literally fifteen minutes after he announced.
Speaker 1: And so I remember, by the way, just like finding
Speaker 1: out from an Instagram threat, like finding out on Instagram
Speaker 1: is honest wild. I want to know if you found
Speaker 1: out from like pop Crave, email in, and by email in,
Speaker 1: I mean get our attention in some way online, like
Speaker 1: because I know that pop Crave whatever the fuck like
Speaker 1: that all these social yeah, that they were breaking these people,
Speaker 1: and because that is the world that we live in.
Speaker 1: But you know, just to speak broadly about it, this
Speaker 1: is what we wanted and will I will not lie.
Speaker 1: When I saw that he posted that, I felt a
Speaker 1: moment of deep sadness and concern about what was going
Speaker 1: to happen because there was not an explicit endorsement of her.
Speaker 1: I didn't know in that moment if that's what exactly
Speaker 1: I wanted or needed. I always knew she was super
Speaker 1: viable for it, but there was a moment of like, wow,
Speaker 1: this sort of direct action that we all participated in
Speaker 1: to ensure that he was not going to be the
Speaker 1: one on the ballot because I just haven't felt confident
Speaker 1: about it in a very long time and couldn't pretend
Speaker 1: it happened. It was very sobering, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so then a half an hour later when he
Speaker 1: did endorse her, and the endorsement started to come and
Speaker 1: the energy started to pick up, and you saw at
Speaker 1: least what feels like right now feels like more unity
Speaker 1: than we have had. Not to say that she doesn't
Speaker 1: have her issues, but it felt amazing to just feel
Speaker 1: like it was possible that we would retain our democracy
Speaker 1: and that it was possible that we would potentially maybe
Speaker 1: end this story in the way that it should have
Speaker 1: ended in twenty sixteen, in the way that you know,
Speaker 1: maybe things were meant to be. I mean, I will say,
Speaker 1: it does feel like Donald Trump, white collar thug, convicted felon, racist, rapist,
Speaker 1: predator versus Kamala Harris, prosecutor, black woman, Indian woman who's
Speaker 1: rising up as a new leader of this party. It
Speaker 1: does feel like the last chapter. It kind of does
Speaker 1: feel like we're about to.
Speaker 2: It's giving series finale, and it's giving serious finale.
Speaker 1: It's giving Big Boss and I pray, and I am
Speaker 1: truly hope and I'm hopeful we will have an ending
Speaker 1: that is a positive one, and I mean that, and
Speaker 1: I am fully on board and will work very hard
Speaker 1: as hard as I can to make sure that Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris is elected president because the alternative is not acceptable.
Speaker 2: Thank you for putting it in those words. I think
Speaker 2: we are untangling a lot of words and texts and
Speaker 2: thoughts and ideas right now in this moment. I'm seeing
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. I think I have a decent
Speaker 2: birth the e r thh of like a social media
Speaker 2: sort of like glimpse.
Speaker 1: You certainly do.
Speaker 2: But who am I to say? But a lot of
Speaker 2: people what A lot of what I'm seeing now is
Speaker 2: people being like great but also bummer that this was
Speaker 2: sure like the thing it's it was never about like
Speaker 2: his policies. It was always about his electability. And it's like, yes,
Speaker 2: that's not that makes sense in an election. To be
Speaker 2: concerned about electability makes total sense. It is not something
Speaker 2: to like discredit any part of this process that like
Speaker 2: shouldn't have happened, except it should have. But you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, It's like it's set like we're all
Speaker 2: bummed that it happened, except but it had to happen
Speaker 2: this way, and right there is like a decent outcome
Speaker 2: on the other side of this, is there's an even
Speaker 2: great outcome on the other side of this. No matter
Speaker 2: how you feel about Kamala Harris, it's like she has
Speaker 2: demonstrated the capacity to move leftward on things, even though
Speaker 2: for every progressive policy she's been a part of, there
Speaker 2: seems to be like a conservative one that outweighs it.
Speaker 2: And that's like a totally fair thing to level against her.
Speaker 2: But let's just I think we really do need to
Speaker 2: do some collective exercise in like putting that into compartment
Speaker 2: for now. And I know we said this like four
Speaker 2: years ago about Joe, but it's like feels even more
Speaker 2: dire than that. And there is no option of losing.
Speaker 2: There is no option of losing, And that's what we
Speaker 2: have to remember. And like AOC put it perfectly, there
Speaker 2: is no progressive enough candidate right now to win and
Speaker 2: beat Donald Trump. But like you just have to think
Speaker 2: about between these two people whose presidency do you want
Speaker 2: to organize under? Do you want to be active under?
Speaker 2: Do you want to like try to like push things
Speaker 2: in a certain way under I think there's a clear
Speaker 2: choice here, and that.
Speaker 1: There is one choice, I mean, and I would say
Speaker 1: if you hedge on that choice, then you're not thinking
Speaker 1: about people much more vulnerable than you. And I do
Speaker 1: think that is the way we have to vote. Fucking Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Gay guys have to think about trans people in the
Speaker 1: middle of this country. You have to think about black women,
Speaker 1: you have to think about low income people. We have
Speaker 1: to and I by all means vent your frustrations about
Speaker 1: what is happening, but fucking vote for her.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I also think I think we can
Speaker 2: engage on this like for the next hundred days or
Speaker 2: so in a way that is like what I find
Speaker 2: effective is like just reframing things. And like anytime I
Speaker 2: feel like from either side I'm being like moralized, proselytized,
Speaker 2: like getting a finger wagged in my face, that I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm totally disengaging, like I've right whatever. Anyone feels like
Speaker 2: they are being chastised in some way in this kind
Speaker 2: of conversation and this kind of discourse like that does
Speaker 2: not seem to be effective, And so I feel like
Speaker 2: maybe as a lost culture exercise for everybody, for readers.
Speaker 2: Katie's pulicis finalists.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: The way you try to engage around this if someone
Speaker 2: does seem to be pushing back, is just to like
Speaker 2: reframe it in that exact way where you're like, well,
Speaker 2: what would it be like to try to like make
Speaker 2: positive things happen on a collective level in one outcome
Speaker 2: versus another? Like that is that that's helpful to me?
Speaker 1: And I would also say I don't think and I've
Speaker 1: we have been We've really not weighed in, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, We really weighed in. But I did
Speaker 1: come out and say I did not vote for him
Speaker 1: in the primary. I have been trying to send small
Speaker 1: messages to the top and the way that I can.
Speaker 1: You know, I was called the other day to fundraise
Speaker 1: for Biden, and I politely told the person on the
Speaker 1: other end of the phone, while I would be voting
Speaker 1: for the Democratic candidate, I don't feel I can send
Speaker 1: money until something is done. And something was done, and
Speaker 1: I would imagine they heard that a lot. And now
Speaker 1: what I would say is that everyone's opinion matters, but
Speaker 1: there are facts here, just like the way Joe Biden's
Speaker 1: feelings don't matter, his feelings don't matter. I understand that
Speaker 1: he might be angry, he might feel very sad and
Speaker 1: depressed about this. He might have a lot to look
Speaker 1: at in terms of where he's actually at, the way
Speaker 1: that politics works. I mean, he should know more than anyone.
Speaker 1: He might feel a certain way. His feelings don't matter.
Speaker 2: Just like our feelings don't matter.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I'm getting to is, it's
Speaker 1: like you can have feelings, they don't actually matter. The
Speaker 1: facts matter. It matters that we live in this world
Speaker 1: and we exist in this world, and we do what
Speaker 1: we need to do, which is we get this man
Speaker 1: off the world stage. And just to speak about her,
Speaker 1: she is left of Biden. She is, and many people
Speaker 1: do believe he is the most progressive president we've ever had.
Speaker 1: Lots of people on the news who you know, may
Speaker 1: have a reason to say this, feel that this was,
Speaker 1: you know, by far, the most successful presidency of all
Speaker 1: time in these four years. I do think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, we're leaning on it. What is
Speaker 1: happening in gods are the humanitarian crisis. There are weighs
Speaker 1: heavy on my heart, know that, and we must work
Speaker 1: harder for the cease fire. At the end of the
Speaker 1: day Trump would burn the world. He would burn the world.
Speaker 1: And listen to me now, if you are listening to
Speaker 1: this podcast and hedging, uh, I want to cradle your
Speaker 1: face in my hands. He would watch you die, sweetheart,
Speaker 1: He would watch you die. And I don't say that
Speaker 1: to scare you, but if it did, okay, you can't
Speaker 1: like And I'm now militant about it. Actually, And you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't need more reasons to be angry of Teresa Judaice,
Speaker 1: but I did see her just like Amber Roses Instagram.
Speaker 1: Get that woman off my television asap. We're done with Trump.
Speaker 2: With l Larca Pippen, You're burnt your toast.
Speaker 1: Toast and if we see you, what's on site. I
Speaker 1: just can't with these clowns. I can't deal with all these.
Speaker 2: All these hoes. I can't deal.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Kamala being brack coded?
Speaker 2: Now here's my honest take.
Speaker 1: Go on.
Speaker 2: I think the the coconut tree memes were on a
Speaker 2: parallel track to like all the Edgeball remixes. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not like like that was like and then I
Speaker 2: think what's happened? And the then diagram as it were,
Speaker 2: like it all started to become one circle, and I
Speaker 2: think like all the arms and tentacles of this thing
Speaker 2: have like collapsed into one shape. And the shape right
Speaker 2: now is oh, okay, I guess Kamala HQ is running
Speaker 2: with Brat visuals, with Brat girls summer, with all these things.
Speaker 2: My honest, honest emotional response, and again my feelings don't matter,
Speaker 2: and so maybe my thoughts don't matter. But I am
Speaker 2: flashing back in trauma too. Is this our Pokemon go
Speaker 2: to the poles? Is this the moment like Pokemon go
Speaker 2: to the polls?
Speaker 1: For me?
Speaker 2: That's all. I think they were hot off the heels
Speaker 2: of the Charlie tweet and maybe that's what's going on.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure they will change it in like I
Speaker 2: hope a week or something to some thing totally different
Speaker 2: and like not quite a right.
Speaker 1: Let's not have brat coded visuals in October.
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
Speaker 1: But you know what I will say, someone as fucking
Speaker 1: cool and relevant and progressive and you know, international as
Speaker 1: her coming out right away. That's different than I think
Speaker 1: we've seen in a long time, and it actually makes
Speaker 1: me very hopeful that not we're gonna get in line,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It's not that, it's just
Speaker 1: that we're taking this seriously in a way that's bigger
Speaker 1: than us. And if it convinces people who are still
Speaker 1: trying to be too cool for this, then maybe they
Speaker 1: should take it more seriously, because at least mother is
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like, then I'm for it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I need Kamala doing the apple dance.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see it.
Speaker 2: There is a line.
Speaker 1: I think her best move is to ignore all of
Speaker 1: the memes, give a moment or two of acknowledging coconuts
Speaker 1: or unburdened or whatever, and really stay above it and
Speaker 1: be presidential and just hold Trump accountable and stay very
Speaker 1: focused on the task at hand, which is still a
Speaker 1: very difficult thing, which is defeating Donald Trump. And I
Speaker 1: think let the internet have fun because it seems to
Speaker 1: be working in a healthy way at this point.
Speaker 2: It can turn so quickly, as we know, if what
Speaker 2: we're fearing is she leans in a little bit too
Speaker 2: hard on this at an event or something, and you're like, right, oh,
Speaker 2: and at that point it's fully pokemon go to the polls.
Speaker 1: I was having a lot of fun on TikTok yesterday.
Speaker 1: I was suddenly very active on TikTok. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I see that, don't And there was a lot of
Speaker 1: judgment in the voice. There was there was a lot
Speaker 1: of judgment in the voice. And I'll just call it
Speaker 1: no because I'm in my truthfulearra.
Speaker 2: My tone is you are not going to let and
Speaker 2: I love you for this, You're not gonna let my tone,
Speaker 2: and which let's say I did have a tone. I
Speaker 2: vehemently deny that I had a tone and that I
Speaker 2: was judging you. But let's say I was. You wouldn't
Speaker 2: let that stop you?
Speaker 1: No, Oh, certainly not. But I will say I was
Speaker 1: having a lot of fun on TikTok, and I did
Speaker 1: find myself sort of giving something like this, you my
Speaker 1: lan trap, but my kick is Kamala. And then I
Speaker 1: realized so much works with her name, so much works
Speaker 1: with her name, too much works with her name, And
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, if we can sort of I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is a word celebritize her. And
Speaker 1: there is a lot with her that works for this.
Speaker 1: I mean with Kamala Harris, what you do get is
Speaker 1: a sort of glam factor. You get a Saturday Night
Speaker 1: Live characterization that isn't sorry, like depressing or pathetic, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it's not like, oh, look
Speaker 1: at this clown who's asleep or this monster who's like
Speaker 1: thank god they found someone to do like what actually
Speaker 1: kind of a measured characterization of him, Like I think
Speaker 1: he does an amazing job. I don't think that Alec
Speaker 1: Baldwin Trump worked at all because it was just so
Speaker 1: broad and scary and monstrous and weird that it so
Speaker 1: obviously came from a place of like it just it
Speaker 1: wasn't working with Maya and Kamala. I think what you
Speaker 1: get is a really fun game, which is she is
Speaker 1: a glamazon who maybe is you know, a capital P politician,
Speaker 1: and that there's a little bit of ego there. But
Speaker 1: you don't get a sense that she's like dumb, you
Speaker 1: don't distrust the person doing it. You're actually quite excited
Speaker 1: to see the person coming on and doing it, which
Speaker 1: I think there's a historical president for at that show.
Speaker 2: What I don't think is precedented is that if you
Speaker 2: take Hillary, it's like the characterization there and maybe that's
Speaker 2: this just speaks to like the way that it was
Speaker 2: accumulating through decades of political life. Like the characterization was
Speaker 2: like she's shrill, she's bullish, she's like un not likable
Speaker 2: in all these ways, right right, and like who knows
Speaker 2: what the dialogue is there, it's hard to parts at
Speaker 2: the dialogue there between like the reality and like the
Speaker 2: sketch character of it. But between Kamala and Maya, it's like, well,
Speaker 2: these are like two like personable people, and like Maya's
Speaker 2: characterization was never like and this is the credit to
Speaker 2: people who've helped work on that character. Cough cough, Sudie Green, Yes,
Speaker 2: but it's like, this is not a shrill this is
Speaker 2: not like an unlikable, detestable, fucking suckubus of a woman.
Speaker 2: That like kind of at that like between Hillary and
Speaker 2: Sarah Palin, which is like I think like the last
Speaker 2: big the other big like female political impersonation on that
Speaker 2: show in recent memory. It's like those are like charricatures
Speaker 2: that get blown up to like literally ridiculous proportions. They
Speaker 2: are ridiculing these people. With Kamala and with my it's
Speaker 2: like there is something very that feels nice on the palette.
Speaker 2: Is how I'm gonna put.
Speaker 1: It's fun to watch, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: I will say I did always enjoy the Hillary on
Speaker 1: the show, but I will say I do think that
Speaker 1: and this is obviously you have to make it funny first,
Speaker 1: and it was always funny. But sometimes I worry about
Speaker 1: like feeding into, you know, a characterization that like reinforces
Speaker 1: a negative opinion of that person. Yeah, now, mind you
Speaker 1: on a show like that, it is equal time whatever
Speaker 1: that means. It's like, I don't know about inviting the
Speaker 1: candidate on because correct me if I'm wrong, you have
Speaker 1: to have both on if one of them comes on.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's not true.
Speaker 1: Oh is it not true? Or like at different times? Obviously, right, right, correct,
Speaker 1: I don't on the same episode. I thought I remembered
Speaker 1: something about like if one candidate comes on, you have
Speaker 1: to have the other one on.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm not even sure about that. But yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: Hillary came and then Trump hosted the same president the
Speaker 2: same election, and then.
Speaker 1: Remember that Reality Holy Funs literally went to that show,
Speaker 1: went to that taping anyway, and then I guess Obama
Speaker 1: and John Mckinneyeah, okay, so well, because I don't think
Speaker 1: Biden came through, right.
Speaker 2: Biden never went.
Speaker 1: No, Biden has never, at least in the last since
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight has never been on us at all, right,
Speaker 1: So I feel like there's something to that, and maybe
Speaker 1: the fact that it is different now, it's like I
Speaker 1: feel like, you might we may have enough with just
Speaker 1: Maya's Kamala and you know, the Trump that we've had
Speaker 1: on that show for a while. It might be enough.
Speaker 1: You may not need the real candidate to come through,
Speaker 1: And especially if it's a situation where, well, if she's
Speaker 1: gonna come through, then I have to come through, or
Speaker 1: at least have the I would imagine that you know
Speaker 1: he's going to take that option, though I will say
Speaker 1: I do think there is enough anger from the Trump
Speaker 1: people and there's enough disdain for media that I can
Speaker 1: see them passing on that opportunity. Similarly to how I
Speaker 1: can kind of see him backing out of this debate
Speaker 1: and you see him sort of planning the seeds.
Speaker 2: Now, Oh, he's not debating her. He's never debating her,
Speaker 2: you don't think. So there's a reason why people who
Speaker 2: get prosecuted a trial usually don't.
Speaker 1: Take the stand.
Speaker 2: Usually don't take the stand because, like a prosecutor knows
Speaker 2: what questions to ask or how to like elicit a
Speaker 2: response out of someone, anyone they're talking to.
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, then I don't know if this is true,
Speaker 1: but I hope it's true that if he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to participate in a scheduled debate, that she still gets
Speaker 1: that time on national television to address the nation, because
Speaker 1: I am sure she is obviously itching to do that
Speaker 1: and obviously would relish the opportunity to prosecute him live
Speaker 1: in front of America as the felin white collar thug
Speaker 1: that he is and actually hold him accountable and call
Speaker 1: him out on the litany of bullshit that our current
Speaker 1: president was unable to do, which is why we could
Speaker 1: not move forward with him. So now you have the
Speaker 1: whole Trump organization running scared because I mean, this old
Speaker 1: campaign video from twenty twenty came out, and she was
Speaker 1: not a good candidate then in the totality of things,
Speaker 1: But there is a moment, and there is a time
Speaker 1: for that moment to be met, and that kind of
Speaker 1: feels like now when you look at this old video
Speaker 1: of her being like, you know, and this is where
Speaker 1: you kind of appreciate that she is a cop and
Speaker 1: a prosecutor because she puts people like him away in
Speaker 1: her sleep. She eats people like him for breakfast. She
Speaker 1: did have that one very good debate which birth the
Speaker 1: that little girl was Me moment, and then she quickly
Speaker 1: sort of plummeted in the polls. I think because Tulsa
Speaker 1: Gabbard pulled some bullshit on her. One of the biggest
Speaker 1: flops in modern history. Tulsea Gabbard, I mean, give me
Speaker 1: a fucking break. But we won't talk about this whole
Speaker 1: episode in the grand scheme of things, it's just nice
Speaker 1: to feel like there's a path forward, and it's nice
Speaker 1: to feel like on the other side of all this cringe,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be nirvana. And they say that about cringe,
Speaker 1: and it's my favorite thing I've learned recently, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to sometimes climb up a huge
Speaker 1: hill of cringe, and once you can scale that hill,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, it might be your judgment on yourself,
Speaker 1: it might be your judgment on what you're doing. It
Speaker 1: might be everyone saying what you're doing is cringe. On
Speaker 1: the other end, there is you slide down into happiness
Speaker 1: in nirvana. And I'm not saying things would be fucking
Speaker 1: perfect afterwards, but we'd have a country.
Speaker 2: I know about working through cringe climbing a cringe mountain.
Speaker 2: I work at Saturday fucking Night Live, the cringiest thing
Speaker 2: in show business on every level.
Speaker 1: Climbing cringe Mountain. Title of f climbing.
Speaker 2: Cringe Mountain, cringe mountain is SNL eternally grateful that I
Speaker 2: work there will be the defining thing of my life
Speaker 2: and career. And yet it is a cringe mountain because
Speaker 2: to live through working at SNL and to have people
Speaker 2: constantly tell you how much it sucks, how bad it is,
Speaker 2: how it's not as good as it used to be
Speaker 2: for your career. You that has to do something to
Speaker 2: you psychologically where you emerge and go I don't give
Speaker 2: a fuck.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know what it is. It's like
Speaker 1: y'all put on wigs and you go all your hard.
Speaker 1: It's not even but it's not even cringe because of
Speaker 1: what you do, because I don't think it's cringe. But
Speaker 1: I will say in what I'm saying, which is that
Speaker 1: everyone has a fucking opinion. It's the most popular show
Speaker 1: in the world. It's been now been on for fifty years.
Speaker 1: It is capital see commercial culture, and therefore it's cringe
Speaker 1: because everyone is like, I'm having something to say, and
Speaker 1: it's comedy, and it's subjective, and it's corporate and you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and it's all those things. And
Speaker 1: that's also what we're kind of going through. But on
Speaker 1: the other side of it, guess what, Bowen, you get
Speaker 1: to actually the visceral thing of people laugh, people feel good,
Speaker 1: and that is why we're doing this, and that is
Speaker 1: why America is worth saving, so that we can protect
Speaker 1: people and live up to what this actually all is
Speaker 1: fucking about. And now it's getting very broad, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like to you, to me, to everyone, fucking
Speaker 1: get over yourselves and like work at what you do
Speaker 1: and be proud of what you do, and be proud
Speaker 1: of who you are, and be proud that you know
Speaker 1: what's right and wrong. Us King to put it mildly, bless.
Speaker 2: Bless, I just want to say one more thing.
Speaker 1: I want you to say so many things.
Speaker 2: I just want to say one more thing about the
Speaker 2: cringe theory as it relates to my job and not
Speaker 2: the fate of this country. So I'm sorry to like
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way I sort of like melded those two things,
Speaker 1: but I do think I.
Speaker 2: Do know you really you really brought it home. That
Speaker 2: was such a slagh. This is what you, me and
Speaker 2: Sudy have been saying for such a long time. Like
Speaker 2: all of these fucking guys who like go up on
Speaker 2: stage and do stand up or would do improvert sketch,
Speaker 2: like we know this person this let's say he's straight.
Speaker 2: These guys were like, h, I don't know, Like what
Speaker 2: I do is cool and edgy. No, bitch, you go
Speaker 2: on stage and you talk in a microphone in front
Speaker 2: of people.
Speaker 1: That is theater, which is gay. It's gay, so just
Speaker 1: embrace it. Don't like like that's the analog for cringe
Speaker 1: in this context. It's like I'm over these people who
Speaker 1: are just like I don't know. It's like, just do
Speaker 1: it so that you can, like every now and then
Speaker 1: you do something because it's not cool and because it
Speaker 1: actually benefits something outside of you, even though it is
Speaker 1: locked into all these other like terrible oppressive systems. The
Speaker 1: motion is up at whatever access, Okay, like just like
Speaker 1: just do it. Oh, can I tell you something? Can
Speaker 1: I tell you something? I'm a singing Christmas comedian, I'm cringe.
Speaker 1: I'm Matt Rogers. I'm cringe, and people buy tickets to
Speaker 1: my shit and I see them afterwards, and they're living,
Speaker 1: and you know who else is living me? It's my
Speaker 1: fucking dream. And had I not climbed the cringe mountain,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be looking at my fucking vinyl over there.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this because I feel like I
Speaker 1: did something which you did. I'm saying this because I'm
Speaker 1: happier for having gotten out of my own way and
Speaker 1: not giving a fuck about the bullshit. So what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is, get out of your own way, stop giving
Speaker 1: a fuck about the bullshit, climb the cringe mountain that
Speaker 1: is this election, and that is Kamala often because now
Speaker 1: guess what, she's fucking brat coded and if you think
Speaker 1: that's cringe, your feelings don't matter. We're gonna save the world, period.
Speaker 1: And now I've hit my blunt. If it has not
Speaker 1: been obvious, what else has happened? Has anything else happened?
Speaker 1: I haven't. I don't think it's money that sort of
Speaker 1: reallyd did this just because there's one figure in politics
Speaker 1: that if I ever hear his name again, and it's
Speaker 1: not even it's not even one of the top five
Speaker 1: you're thinking about, maybe it is, but like, ugh, we'll
Speaker 1: get to it. Okay, what else? Oh, Remy Wolf period.
Speaker 2: Soup girl, where have you been? This is not quite
Speaker 2: as egregious because I think what Matt Rogers will dine
Speaker 2: out on for the rest of his life is to
Speaker 2: say that he introduced hordes of people to Chapel Round.
Speaker 2: This is not quite the same thing. But I've been
Speaker 2: up in this podcast shouting at Remy Wolf for a bit.
Speaker 1: You definitely have. In fact, last week I called out
Speaker 1: a different Remy Yes and her summer song, and you
Speaker 1: were like Remy Wolf, and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: but also yes. And I have been aware of Remy
Speaker 1: Wolf for quite a while, but someone I dated liked her.
Speaker 1: I think I might have been George.
Speaker 2: George loves Remy Yeah, And so.
Speaker 1: I've been a Remy Wolf fan in a soft sense.
Speaker 1: But now, like this new record, it's really great and
Speaker 1: she deserves to take her place. And I am excited
Speaker 1: about seeing her live because I heard she puts on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: She puts on the show. You need to go go
Speaker 2: back and listen to her old albums all the way
Speaker 2: through like this, Oh, I certainly will start to finish
Speaker 2: wonderful songwriting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And by the way, with the Chapel rowing of
Speaker 1: it all. I am just happy that people got on
Speaker 1: board in the way they have. It doesn't even matter
Speaker 1: for me because you know, you don't know, you don't
Speaker 1: every single time I say listen, it was a straight
Speaker 1: man that told me about her. And I say his
Speaker 1: name with my full chest, Matthew Vaughn, and I say
Speaker 1: he is due the respect because he actually tried several times,
Speaker 1: and I was like, girl, please, like, I don't know
Speaker 1: who that is, and I just can't have you introduce
Speaker 1: it popularly to me. He was right, he was right.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to listen to these straight men like
Speaker 1: sometimes they might yeah, they might really know something. And
Speaker 1: this one knows he knows something about multiple things. Careful
Speaker 1: the things.
Speaker 2: You say careful children will listen, children listen. What else
Speaker 2: has happened? I've had such a crazy fucking week of
Speaker 2: my body. Here's what's going on since Italy?
Speaker 1: For what do you think it is? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, it's not a bad thing
Speaker 2: on its face, like me being like a warning person,
Speaker 2: but I am like only getting like six hours of sleep,
Speaker 2: which I know is like a clean rem cycle thing,
Speaker 2: but it's like I do want to feel refreshed, and
Speaker 2: I have not felt refreshed in a way.
Speaker 1: That's a lot for you. Well, I just fix is
Speaker 1: a lot for you girl? Not you like it was
Speaker 1: probably last year or six months ago, eight months ago
Speaker 1: where you said just plainly that you're used to four.
Speaker 1: We need to figure that out. Is that anxiety you
Speaker 1: think or like are you before bed? Like what do
Speaker 1: you think it is about the sleep?
Speaker 2: I think it might be anxiety. It might be my mattress.
Speaker 2: I think I might have to spop out the mattress
Speaker 2: for something softer, because yeah, we were shooting a month
Speaker 2: ago and I was I was laying down in a
Speaker 2: bed for a scene and it was a soft.
Speaker 1: Mattress and I kind of went, wait a minute. You
Speaker 1: were like, maybe this is what I've needed all along.
Speaker 2: It's that thing. It was right under your nose the
Speaker 2: whole time, not to dapt mattresses.
Speaker 1: No, literally, I'm telling you that might be it, because Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna reveal I actually avoid my apartment in New
Speaker 1: York now and I think it's actually coloring my New
Speaker 1: York experience because that mattress hurts me. And this is
Speaker 1: another thing I'll say about Barry's boot Camp. I am
Speaker 1: obsessed with Barry's boot Camp. I really feel like I
Speaker 1: look the best I have and I'm so galvanized and
Speaker 1: I love going. It is just hard on your body
Speaker 1: if you're not really taking a long time to stretch.
Speaker 1: And about a month ago, I was being really relaxed
Speaker 1: about the stretching and sleeping on a bed in New
Speaker 1: York that was, let's say, very firm, because the person
Speaker 1: that owns that place has not a great back and
Speaker 1: needs a very firm mattress. I don't have that until
Speaker 1: I'm not stretching and I sleep on a bad mattress.
Speaker 1: I am now sort of obsessed with LA again, solely
Speaker 1: because of the mattress here, which is what let me
Speaker 1: tell you a helix midnight clap clap clap. Not trying
Speaker 1: to do an ad, but I am giving testimonial in
Speaker 1: many different ways and saying this actually is the shit.
Speaker 1: And my sister got one too, and she's happier than ever.
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish, Hmmm, that sounds like Billie Eilish was your
Speaker 1: sister there for a second. I don't think that we are,
Speaker 1: but I'll do the twenty three in me Mmm.
Speaker 2: Eilish Irish yes, I am just recalibrating things right now.
Speaker 2: I really am trying to get gut health in check.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I literally I ordered a pooping kit. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got a poop. I gotta scoop. I gotta send it
Speaker 1: back to the lab. Oh, so you're you're doing it.
Speaker 1: You're pooping in a bag.
Speaker 2: I'm pooping in a bag and I'm waiting for my
Speaker 2: microbiom read out. So I know what I need to
Speaker 2: focus on in the gut.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's gonna help and yield results, I say,
Speaker 1: try every fucking thing poop in that bag. Sister.
Speaker 2: For my second brain, which is another name for the stomach.
Speaker 1: Holy fuck, where did you get that or did you
Speaker 1: come up with it? No?
Speaker 2: No, no, a lot of them got health.
Speaker 1: People say that that the stomach is a second brain.
Speaker 1: You know what. Yeah, because it thinks for itself.
Speaker 2: It talks to your brain, and it thinks for itself.
Speaker 1: Wow. I love that your stomach is your second brain. Honey.
Speaker 1: Sometimes my stomach has a bad ideas. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you something.
Speaker 2: Sometimes my stomach is my you know, first brain, and
Speaker 2: sometimes my brain is my second stomach.
Speaker 1: No, we talked about this, because we did. We did,
Speaker 1: remember we talked about this. I told you, Oh, maybe
Speaker 1: I said this to Jared, but I told you, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm gonna be really honest because I'm
Speaker 1: in my honesty era. I'm tiktoking a lot m h.
Speaker 1: And I'm here of saying go kamala. So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna come out here and say this. Within this year,
Speaker 1: I have, let's put it like this, lost my shit
Speaker 1: and it happened very close to my actual bathroom, and
Speaker 1: it took me by surprise.
Speaker 2: You did tell me about this.
Speaker 1: I shit my pants actually because I had eaten badly
Speaker 1: the night before and I had a cold brew, and
Speaker 1: I was actually I knew it was going to be
Speaker 1: an emergency. And so I was in the elevator and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this cannot move fast enough,
Speaker 1: and it quite in fact could not, because in my
Speaker 1: elevator in New York. Let's just say, I ruined my
Speaker 1: Brooks Marks pants And I'm sorry Brooks.
Speaker 2: It was. It has nothing to do with you.
Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with you. In fact, I
Speaker 1: would say, I felt so comfortable in your stuff, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I also know I'm putting this out there and
Speaker 1: I'm sort of getting very fecal, and I'm sort of
Speaker 1: joining my sister in fecal confessions.
Speaker 2: In confessions and one more, thinking that Brooks marks thing.
Speaker 2: His initials are BM, and they're all over the pants,
Speaker 2: And that's what you had.
Speaker 1: I hadn't even considered that until now.
Speaker 2: BM.
Speaker 1: And that's actually real culture number nineteen BM. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: but luckily he had sent three pairs, so I still
Speaker 1: have my other two but to go. So what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is my stomach was acting as a second brain
Speaker 1: where it actually I'm telling you I was thinking so
Speaker 1: hard with my brain and trying so hard with pretty
Speaker 1: much every part of my body including it, my stomach
Speaker 1: was making executive decisions.
Speaker 2: Executive function was in the stomach.
Speaker 1: And the butthole was an accomplice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is like, you know, I think
Speaker 2: like parasympathetic, like your butt, kind of like I was
Speaker 2: at the butthole head of mine of its own. But
Speaker 2: I think the stomach is the one pulling all the string.
Speaker 2: Stomach is like the twist villain at the end of
Speaker 2: a movie, like it was her all along.
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, say something. I know this was not everyone's
Speaker 1: favorite episode the Tyler Henry Hollywood Medium episode. I know
Speaker 1: that it was not everyone's favorite episode. Not everyone liked
Speaker 1: that health came up during that reading.
Speaker 2: It's iconic.
Speaker 1: He said to me, you need to watch your stomach
Speaker 1: and your gut stuff. And I was like, okay, And
Speaker 1: I do think now it's sort of an iconic moment
Speaker 1: because let me tell you, Hm, the spirits.
Speaker 2: Got me on that one. Let me tell you that
Speaker 2: DUDELRD knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: But wait, can I say this is another reason he
Speaker 1: has the gift. This is another reason why you can't
Speaker 1: be eating bad at night. And I ask you, do
Speaker 1: you ever eat like really late or eat garbage at night?
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you okay, But this is this is
Speaker 2: all part of my own pooping in a bag journey.
Speaker 2: Like I'm really I really want to get into not
Speaker 2: I'm not like Aura rain Coat and I'm not about
Speaker 2: to get my fucking like all my biometrics so I
Speaker 2: can optimize and shit, I just want to know. I
Speaker 2: just want to poop in a bag and know what
Speaker 2: my microbiome is. That's I really just want to know names.
Speaker 2: I want to know like ooh, I'm going to eat
Speaker 2: more spear leane at like whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well first of all, like, yeah, it's going
Speaker 1: to improve your life exponentially. One thing you can definitely do, though,
Speaker 1: like right on the outset, one thing you can definitely
Speaker 1: do is just not eat before you go to bed,
Speaker 1: because I do think that that look just confronting our
Speaker 1: mid thirties head on, there's something with that. It's like
Speaker 1: my stomach when that when I was doing that, and
Speaker 1: I've had to fight, especially as someone who loves a
Speaker 1: reefer in the nighttime.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 1: You cannot eat before you go to bed because your
Speaker 1: stomach is so pissed off in the morning, and you
Speaker 1: wake up so much earlier than you would have. Yes,
Speaker 1: because your stomach's making decisions.
Speaker 2: Of course, second brain, if you are going to eat
Speaker 2: something little baby tomato, little carrot stick, a little grape,
Speaker 2: that'll do yet.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know what what You're right and literally you
Speaker 1: know what, I've become really obsessed with cucumber, bitch.
Speaker 2: You've never eaten a vegetable more refreshing.
Speaker 1: Literally, it's hydrating, it's esthetically pleasing, it's easy to prepare
Speaker 1: and get this. You can even dress up your cucumber.
Speaker 1: This is what you do I feel like Anthony Porowski. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've actually never felt more like Anthony than recently. We
Speaker 1: love it a negative. I don't care. I'm climbing Cringe
Speaker 1: Mountain and I'm sliding down the other end. I love him.
Speaker 2: Guess who climbed Cringe Mountain?
Speaker 1: Anthony? And guess who's got many books out and looks
Speaker 1: like Anthony. Come on. Sometimes I see pictures of him
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, there he is the world's hottest man.
Speaker 1: And it's okay. It's okay anyway. Irrespective of that, people
Speaker 1: think that about me all the time. It's literally like
Speaker 1: that's something the three of us all share. It's okay.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, this is what you do. You
Speaker 1: chop up your cucumber.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: You get a little hot sauce.
Speaker 2: I I think I'm with.
Speaker 1: You, like mild, And I'm not talking about like go crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like some chilula. Even you put a
Speaker 1: little bit of chilula on the thing, a little bit
Speaker 1: of salt and pepper, a little bit of salt and pepper.
Speaker 1: But then what you do is you just rub the
Speaker 1: cucumbers all up around in the hot sauce. And stuff,
Speaker 1: so it's almost like dressing. It's like almost like like
Speaker 1: buffalo cucumber and then you eat the cucumber. It is
Speaker 1: the best snack. It's actually a nominee for best Snack. Yes, bo,
Speaker 1: how would you see it on the card? That snack
Speaker 1: cucumbers with hot sauce, A little salt and pepper.
Speaker 2: Felt like that, A little salt andn pepper, like eating
Speaker 2: buffalo cucumber.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: would go as far as to call it buffalo cucumber,
Speaker 1: because I think what you immediately think of is fried cauliflower.
Speaker 2: And I can't this is still on the card. This
Speaker 2: is still the nominee name. No no no no no
Speaker 2: no no.
Speaker 1: I personally and all of a sudden, a nominee has
Speaker 1: like a subheader, like a below the fellowship of the ring.
Speaker 1: This is cucumber, buffalo sauce, but the thing is a
Speaker 1: little bit of salt and pepper. And then thought, it's
Speaker 1: like a Fiona Apple album.
Speaker 2: It's album.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I swear by this snack and I learned
Speaker 1: it from my father. I got it from my daddy.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. If you climb Crans Mountain,
Speaker 1: you slide down the slide. That's what I think is
Speaker 1: on the other end of Cridge Mountain like a slide,
Speaker 1: like a really fun slide. I'm very into slide culture
Speaker 1: recently because I went on a vacation where they had
Speaker 1: a water slide and you saw me at the Bahamar
Speaker 1: the first time we went. You know, I, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll do any water slide.
Speaker 2: You love a slide, love it slide case.
Speaker 1: I don't care what it does to my back in
Speaker 1: regards to scratches, I really don't like. I love going
Speaker 1: down a slide. I love what was it? There was
Speaker 1: something I recently did where I was like, oh, it
Speaker 1: was when we were in Sicily. I never did jump
Speaker 1: off that big rock.
Speaker 2: The big rone. I don't think you needed to do that.
Speaker 2: It's a big rock.
Speaker 1: But you know I was diving off the smaller rock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you were having a great time and that
Speaker 2: I think sometimes you got to you gotta cap it
Speaker 2: and be like that's enough for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there was no real reason for me to
Speaker 1: dive off a rock that was how high would you
Speaker 1: say that was? That was like seventy feet high, seventy
Speaker 1: feet seven stories, Matt, Come on, you don't need to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you really don't.
Speaker 1: There's a little part of me. This is who the
Speaker 1: little kid in me is. And this is maybe different
Speaker 1: from the way you were, but not I don't think so.
Speaker 1: The little kid in me was like an aspiring daredevil,
Speaker 1: like I wanted, was obsessed with doing like bungee jumping,
Speaker 1: and like really couldn't wait to jump out of a plane,
Speaker 1: to the point where I jumped out of a plane
Speaker 1: at eighteen. Yeah, and it's I've never been the same.
Speaker 1: It was horrible, horrible.
Speaker 2: You're not human beings aren't supposed to do that.
Speaker 1: What's the most extreme thing you've ever done?
Speaker 2: I really don't think I am. I've done extreme things.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe you know what if I could use
Speaker 1: conjecture on you, Yeah, have you ever done like black
Speaker 1: diamond skiing? Sure, then maybe that maybe that what if
Speaker 1: you can think of the sensation of that? Are you comfort? No? See?
Speaker 2: I hate it?
Speaker 1: So it certainly can't get shouldn't get darker and worse?
Speaker 1: You mean like double black diamond, Like what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is like darker in terms of like why we're doing this,
Speaker 1: like like throwing yourself out of a plane is dark.
Speaker 1: It's so dark, that's what you're saying. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like bungee jumping. It's a little dark. It's like,
Speaker 1: why are we doing anything where you're not gonna die?
Speaker 1: But like more likely you could.
Speaker 2: Die, much more likely now that you could die, and
Speaker 2: for however long you're doing this activity.
Speaker 1: I think anytime you yourself become a flying projectile at high speed,
Speaker 1: you've placed yourself in a more digs for death. Correct,
Speaker 1: were now at the level of high risk.
Speaker 2: And the high risk is relative of course, but like
Speaker 2: you just have to think about relative to what because
Speaker 2: relative to you being on the ground, so much higher
Speaker 2: capacity and possibility for death. If you're up in the
Speaker 2: sky and about to judge otup a plane, I think
Speaker 2: about what it felt like to careem through the sky.
Speaker 2: I sometimes you remember walk us through, Honey, I remember
Speaker 2: the whole You know, there's video of it. I have
Speaker 2: to find the DVD and put it online.
Speaker 1: It is first of all, it's me at eighteen, fresh
Speaker 1: from graduating, so closeted, like he's in the voice doing
Speaker 1: the giving shows, giving shows like they strapped me because
Speaker 1: you have to do tandem I'm sure I've told this before,
Speaker 1: but like they strap a man on you, so you
Speaker 1: go tandem. This guy had this highest spikiest like hair.
Speaker 1: I joked that I don't remember his name, but the
Speaker 1: only name I can give him in retrospect is Trask.
Speaker 1: He seemed like a Trask to me.
Speaker 2: First of all, you have a thing with the name Trask.
Speaker 2: You love Trass hasn't come through before. I'm flashing back
Speaker 2: to all these moments before. We're like in like a sketcher,
Speaker 2: like in an improv show or something. You'll be like,
Speaker 2: I'm Trask, and I'm like, Okay, this guy loves the
Speaker 2: oc or he loves East of Eden. Something he loves
Speaker 2: Oliver Trask.
Speaker 1: You know, whenever I'm Trask, and know that if Bowen
Speaker 1: and I ever write or create anything, wink wink, and
Speaker 1: there's someone named Trask, that character, there's something about that character.
Speaker 1: If we ever have a character Trask and you ever
Speaker 1: in media, if Trask ever appears, know that that's for
Speaker 1: a reason, because this guy was such a Trask. We
Speaker 1: the way that you skydive and I went with my
Speaker 1: like all my male friends and my one girlfriend, Laurenne,
Speaker 1: and you have to sit thirty thousand, No, thirteen, what
Speaker 1: is it thirteen thousand feet in there? When you skide,
Speaker 1: I have thirty thousand. When you like shave, you have
Speaker 1: to sit on like like they open the door and
Speaker 1: you sit with your legs dangling nothing beneath you, and
Speaker 1: then you go, you literally go, you rock one, rock two,
Speaker 1: and then you are supposed to front flip out of
Speaker 1: a plane. And then after the one flip, you sort
Speaker 1: of like toss your arms and legs back and sort
Speaker 1: of get into like almost like you're a super Bowl
Speaker 1: belly down. That's like the position you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: in with someone on your back. That sensation you sort
Speaker 1: of adjust to six or seven seconds in because it
Speaker 1: starts to feel like when you put your hand out
Speaker 1: of a car window on the highway, just that air
Speaker 1: you start to just feel. Once you adjust to the
Speaker 1: zero gravity, you start to just feel that all over
Speaker 1: your body. Then it gets a little fun. Then, by
Speaker 1: the way, this is all on tape. Then they pull
Speaker 1: the parachute. And what they don't tell you is when
Speaker 1: they pull the parachute going.
Speaker 2: It fucking pulls you.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that's not even the worst part. Yes, there
Speaker 1: is a jostling and you get pulled and you like land.
Speaker 2: There is a.
Speaker 1: Ten to twelve second feeling of euphoria that you did it. Now,
Speaker 1: then you realize the worst is yet to come, hun
Speaker 1: because you're still three thousand feet off the fucking ground
Speaker 1: and there is nothing Benya few, but there is a
Speaker 1: man on your back and he's Trask, babe, and Trask
Speaker 1: doesn't play by the rules. Something to know about Trask.
Speaker 1: Trask has the ability to sort of like make you
Speaker 1: go left and right and even in some cases do
Speaker 1: like flip as you go down. They'll ask you if
Speaker 1: you want that. It's just whether or not you're an
Speaker 1: eighteen year old closeted person whose number one goal in
Speaker 1: life is to make straight men feel like you're okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If you're not that person,
Speaker 1: you might say something like no, no, no, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I've had enough. Let's just float down on not really
Speaker 1: feeling great. Or you could be that person and you
Speaker 1: say for sure and you were when what person were you?
Speaker 2: You were? You were that good? You were for sure?
Speaker 1: Me? I was me? That was me? Then this was
Speaker 1: me because I floated down for nine minutes, dry heaving,
Speaker 1: vomiting in my shirt with this man on my back,
Speaker 1: spitting into my t shirt, coughing, spurting, spitting, gagging for
Speaker 1: nine minutes until we landed. And then when I land,
Speaker 1: I have to find this video. When I land, the
Speaker 1: camera picks me up again and I'm cross eyed. I
Speaker 1: pull myself off off the ground and then are you
Speaker 1: gonna do it again? And I just give a thumbs
Speaker 1: up like this, get the screenshot. Ough, I just give
Speaker 1: a thumbs up like yep, I'll be back, and then
Speaker 1: they freeze frame on my face. By the way, the
Speaker 1: song that's playing is like We're going to the place
Speaker 1: where we belong Hell. Like that's like the song that's
Speaker 1: like being sung. I just made that up, but that
Speaker 1: was the genre. And like, I've never felt worse or
Speaker 1: more terrified in my life than in that moment. It's
Speaker 1: all on tape. And that is when I developed fear.
Speaker 1: That moment is when I developed physical, atmospheric fear. I
Speaker 1: always had emotional fear again closet at eighteen, but this
Speaker 1: was different. I no longer identified as someone who wanted
Speaker 1: to push any limits.
Speaker 2: That is to me and please tell me if I'm
Speaker 2: out of line. So fortunate that you have have this
Speaker 2: on tape, because guess what that moment is.
Speaker 1: Tell me what it is, and tell everyone too.
Speaker 2: Well, there's climbing cringe mountain, and then there's jumping out
Speaker 2: of cringe airlines. Yep, and you jumped out of cringe
Speaker 2: airlines at the literal peak of your cringe, which was
Speaker 2: I need to make sure these straight boys still like
Speaker 2: me and think I'm funny and want to hang out
Speaker 2: with me. Yes, And I hope trask Like doesn't mind
Speaker 2: that I like the way his crotch feels on my butt.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I couldn't have been less horny.
Speaker 1: I was getting spurting, vomiting and spitting in the air.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even thinking about Dixon my butt and later
Speaker 1: I would all the time.
Speaker 2: Of course, much not soon after that moment. I'm sure
Speaker 2: I you literally were throwing up on yourself, your own
Speaker 2: fucking discharge covering you. Oh yeah, being humiliated by these
Speaker 2: men who ask you after this life threatening violatory experience
Speaker 2: you've had go want to do that again, and you
Speaker 2: have no choice but to throw your thumbs up because
Speaker 2: your psyche has been so for an entire life bludgeoned
Speaker 2: by patriarchy. That is all on tape, so you can
Speaker 2: watch it, you can document, but like you can you
Speaker 2: literally have something outside of your own memory of it
Speaker 2: that exists where you can point to that and be like,
Speaker 2: this is the day that I climbed Cringe Mountain, that
Speaker 2: I jumped out of Cringe airlines. Yeah, you are a
Speaker 2: better person for it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I one, because I'm alive. Who knows at that
Speaker 1: rate had I enjoyed that? Get this? This is the
Speaker 1: part where the story gets really fucking crazy. So one
Speaker 1: of my friends, Kevin, loved the experience. And the guys
Speaker 1: were telling us about their job, the people that would
Speaker 1: jump tandem. We were like, how many times do you
Speaker 1: guys do this a day? Tras goes nineteen times a
Speaker 1: day is usually how many times I do that? I go,
Speaker 1: holy fucking shit, And I guess it computed to us
Speaker 1: as these guys do this every day. Let's say they
Speaker 1: work four or five times a week, nineteen times a
Speaker 1: day they jump out of a plane. I don't know,
Speaker 1: let's say one hundred times a week, and they've all
Speaker 1: done this for a while. It just doesn't happen that
Speaker 1: there's accidents, right, you know what I mean, Like, clearly,
Speaker 1: this is just like any other recreational activity. It's like
Speaker 1: go into a theme park and strapping into a roller coast.
Speaker 1: You're actually safer there than you are on the open road.
Speaker 1: Got it. It's a monitored thing. Never mind the paperwork
Speaker 1: they make you signed before you can even do it.
Speaker 1: That's like if you die, you can't see. Never mind
Speaker 1: that it doesn't happen. Kevin went again, I babe. When
Speaker 1: they landed, which they did, thank god. The guy goes
Speaker 1: to him, dude, we had to go to the backup shoot.
Speaker 1: He goes, what he goes? We had to go to
Speaker 1: the backup shoot. I pulled the first shoot. The thing
Speaker 1: didn't come out. It has never happened to me before.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. There was about a ten second
Speaker 1: period where I was really scared, on your back, really scared,
Speaker 1: and then I just got my wits about me and
Speaker 1: pulled the backup shoot, and thank god I remembered where
Speaker 1: it was, et cetera. Like that. I just but the
Speaker 1: point being they had to go to the backup shoot.
Speaker 1: What what? And he never went again.
Speaker 2: This is the perfect thing to unpack. Yeah for you,
Speaker 2: for the state of the world.
Speaker 1: You don't have to jump out the mountain like it
Speaker 1: just because you think it's going to be exciting. It's okay.
Speaker 1: Let someone else jump about the plane, about the plane,
Speaker 1: you mean, jump about that, jump about the planet. You'll
Speaker 1: know what we're saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you don't have to climb Cringe Mountain,
Speaker 2: if you don't have a Cringe mountain in your horizon,
Speaker 2: bless you. I hope I pray that you never have
Speaker 2: to climb Cringe Mountain.
Speaker 1: No, I think everyone should climb Cringe Mountain. Everyone should
Speaker 1: climb Cringe Mountain.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, this is like my theory on like queerness,
Speaker 2: like not everyone has to be queer, and not everyone
Speaker 2: will be queer, but they should be. I think that
Speaker 2: would be nice, you know, Like that's how I feel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's not like it's obviously not prescriptive and there's
Speaker 2: no agenda there.
Speaker 1: It's but then what would set us apart.
Speaker 2: If everyone's queer? No one is? Well anyway, I hope
Speaker 2: you don't have to climb Cringe Mountain, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But everyone should because more likely than not, you will.
Speaker 2: You will come across it in your travels and the
Speaker 2: travails of your life. Cringe mountain will be right before you.
Speaker 2: You will be at the base of it, and you
Speaker 2: have no choice but to climb.
Speaker 1: Or stan or stan And I guess, oh, this is
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to say about it. You
Speaker 1: know who absolutely was there. The only parents to come
Speaker 1: watch it was Richard and Katrina Rogers, Ritchie and Trina
Speaker 1: showed up and they were like, no, we're gonna watch it.
Speaker 1: I think my mom had in her head that like
Speaker 1: and I used to have this when I was a
Speaker 1: kid too. Sometimes, like I as a little kid would
Speaker 1: every time my mom left to go to the store,
Speaker 1: would I would be like, I'm coming, and she was like,
Speaker 1: you don't have to come, and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm coming. And I think in my head I was like,
Speaker 1: if I'm in the car, there can't be an accident.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, of course invincible kid syndrome. And
Speaker 1: you think like, I'm gonna protect my mother by going
Speaker 1: in the car with her, Like, I know if I'm
Speaker 1: there will be okay, because nothing can back it up
Speaker 1: into me, right. I think that my mom thought like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go watch it so I can actually see it,
Speaker 1: and it won't be such a big deal. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine if your parents are there when you throw yourself
Speaker 1: out of a plane and hit the ground.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was going to say that they're very
Speaker 2: good parents for coming and showing up and watching.
Speaker 1: No, they are, but that's even more sad.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's just love. Is not sad. They love you.
Speaker 2: They love you.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen in the movie Simon Birch. No,
Speaker 1: it's about a boy who's different mmmm, and he plays
Speaker 1: baseball and he gets on the team. He finally gets
Speaker 1: on the team. It's like they accept him and his
Speaker 1: best friend's mother is played by Ashley Judd. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, like Simon Birch finally gets
Speaker 1: to like hit the ball. He gets to go bat.
Speaker 1: Simon Birch connects with the ball, hits the ball. It's
Speaker 1: a beautiful moment.
Speaker 2: WHOA.
Speaker 1: The ball goes into this guy in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: Ashley Judd is getting out of her car. The ball
Speaker 1: kills her. H's Ashley Judd in the temple of her head.
Speaker 1: It but when they run over to Ashley Judd. Everyone
Speaker 1: runs over to Ashley Judd. The coach like takes her pulse.
Speaker 1: She's dead. Simon Birch looks at his best friend, whose
Speaker 1: mother is dead and played by Ashley Judd, and he
Speaker 1: says I'm sorry and runs away forever. That's what you
Speaker 1: get for being a good parent, showing up to the games.
Speaker 1: You get a foul ball in the temple. You die
Speaker 1: for no reason.
Speaker 2: Simon Birch was released on September eleventh, nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, that is such a tragic day. Can
Speaker 1: I say you? It's only closer number fifty September eleventh.
Speaker 1: That is such a tragedy.
Speaker 2: Tragic day.
Speaker 1: I did not know that Ashley Judd's character dies. Can
Speaker 1: you read this? Just vindicate me? Here the synopsis go
Speaker 1: to the end. Okay, just by the way, Sorry everyone.
Speaker 1: Spoiler for Simon Birch, a film released on September nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety eight. Really the height of Ashley Judd.
Speaker 2: During baseball, Simon hits the perfect pitch. It becomes a
Speaker 2: foul ball that hits Rebecca in the.
Speaker 1: Head, killing her. Simon gives Joe his price to baseball
Speaker 1: cards as an apology, which Joe gives Simon the stuffed
Speaker 1: armadillo as forgiveness. I mean, he's not forgiven, for he
Speaker 1: hit a murdered.
Speaker 2: No, he didn't murder this.
Speaker 1: You can't even go to this is an accident.
Speaker 2: She murdered her bad.
Speaker 1: And it was cold blooded murder. Keep reading because it
Speaker 1: gets worse. Joe can't, Joe couldn't forgive Simon. Keep going, Jo.
Speaker 2: Joe's grandmother informs Joe that her own death is eminent
Speaker 2: due to her age, and there must be a plan
Speaker 2: for him once her time comes. As Rebecca never told
Speaker 2: anyone who Joe's father was, even in confidence. Simon believes
Speaker 2: that Joe's father may have taken the baseball that killed
Speaker 2: Seeming their gym teacher a fitting candidate, they break into
Speaker 2: his office to see if he has it, but it
Speaker 2: isn't there. Overwhelmed with despair, Joe vandalizes the office. The
Speaker 2: police chief agrees to release them if they go to
Speaker 2: the children's retreat over winter break. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: plot happening in this.
Speaker 1: I thought that was the end of the movie. I
Speaker 1: guess not.
Speaker 2: No, there's two more paragraphs. Babe, Wow, this is well.
Speaker 2: Just look at how it ends ends.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 2: While Simon and Joe are riding the bus, helmet crashes
Speaker 2: into the lake with the driver abandoning the bus and
Speaker 2: Russell unconscious. Simon takes command and gets everyone out with
Speaker 2: Joe's help Wow, but nearly drowns while saving last child.
Speaker 2: Joe visits a dying Simon in the hospital, remarking how
Speaker 2: his small size worked to his advantage in evacuating the kids.
Speaker 2: They bit each other farewell before Simon dies. Joe's grandmother
Speaker 2: passes away that summer, and he's adopted by Ben just
Speaker 2: before his thirteenth birthday. Back in the present day, with
Speaker 2: adult Joe at Simon's grave, Joe's son, named after Simon,
Speaker 2: reminds him that he has a soccer game, and they
Speaker 2: drive away. As the film ends, don't.
Speaker 1: Go to the game an errand ball might kill you
Speaker 1: if you're a mother.
Speaker 2: And then don't go to the children's cheat because the
Speaker 2: bus home might crash into a lake.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard something crazier in your life than
Speaker 1: the plot of that film? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The twenty twenty four election period, bitch, you age? What
Speaker 1: what's ninety nine minus ninety one?
Speaker 2: Hold on eight?
Speaker 1: Thank you? It's time for I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: This has been you know, this has been one of
Speaker 1: those episodes that did it all i'd say.
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with you, and right before we go
Speaker 2: into I don't think so, honey, I do have to.
Speaker 2: And I know we quote this like once every couple
Speaker 2: of years, but someone did just randomly post for no reason. Really,
Speaker 2: I'm just posted the scene of Valerie Cherish walking into
Speaker 2: the HBO offices in season two of The Comeback, and
Speaker 2: it is I think the funniest scene, one of the
Speaker 2: funniest TV scenes in history.
Speaker 1: Started it all, Sopranos started it all.
Speaker 2: Sex and the City started it all. I guess I'm
Speaker 2: one of the girls now. Then she laughs, and then
Speaker 2: she goes over to the Sopranos. Sopranos started it all
Speaker 2: at all different way way.
Speaker 3: Oh, and she turns. Then she turns to like like
Speaker 3: true blood or something. She goes, I don't know that one,
Speaker 3: or that's what she was like, No, don't know that one.
Speaker 2: I don't know of course.
Speaker 3: Nila Durham, at first she goes, oh this, Oh, here
Speaker 3: we go, and she sees the poster, turns to the
Speaker 3: camera and goes, new Girls.
Speaker 1: Girl. Maybe the funniest part of the whole scene, which
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about.
Speaker 2: I love her New Girls.
Speaker 1: Leela Durham I think it's Lena. That's what I said, Lena,
Speaker 1: no see and she looks at the poster. It's the
Speaker 1: perfect scene in terms of like character ship too. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know everything about Valerie Cherish in this in this
Speaker 1: one scene and she only says like twelve words total.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, Valerie Cherish is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest characters in television history. It needn't even be
Speaker 1: said period. There is really no world. And oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just thought to myself, there's no world. Why she
Speaker 1: doesn't have an Emmy for that. Congratulations of my sister
Speaker 1: on your Emmy nomination, the third one in this category,
Speaker 1: fourth overall.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sister, very honored.
Speaker 1: Only six nominees and like fucking Boon and Yang.
Speaker 2: I really didn't think it was I really didn't think
Speaker 2: it was gonna happen because I, like, I checked, you
Speaker 2: deserved it. Here's what happened. I checked one prognosticator and
Speaker 2: like whatever I had, Like I have my Google alert
Speaker 2: for myself, just you know, just so I'm on top
Speaker 2: of it. And like in the little clipping of the
Speaker 2: article that'll always say like you're like whatever your name,
Speaker 2: whatever the Google term is, and then like this this
Speaker 2: is the word surrounding it, and like I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: like based off of one little like gleaning of it.
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't think it's happening this year.
Speaker 2: No problem, it's a weird it's a weird year.
Speaker 1: I did see you were on the bubble. I of course, look,
Speaker 1: I just I was on the bubble Emmy Race and
Speaker 1: you were on the bubble. But I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I really just hope that like people actually remember how
Speaker 1: good your work was because you deserved it. And I'm
Speaker 1: so happy, thanks queen. I feel like I had my
Speaker 1: best season. I think you did.
Speaker 2: I was really proud of this last season. So I'm
Speaker 2: really honored. And it's this thing where let's get real,
Speaker 2: let's get honesty zone. Like I brought this up in
Speaker 2: therapy because like I had this whole thing leading up
Speaker 2: to like the nomin I knew, I knew a day
Speaker 2: they weren't gonna announce, and I was like, cool, got it.
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna like emotionally build up anything towards
Speaker 2: that because I'm just like I know what this is
Speaker 2: like and like, yeah, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: It's like to get it and not get.
Speaker 2: It exactly, and getting it is the whole thing too
Speaker 2: of like, well, like am I putting too much meaning
Speaker 2: in that? So basically I went into therapy the next
Speaker 2: day being like, I like, have this thing I want
Speaker 2: to talk about here where I'm like, I had this
Speaker 2: flash of a thought in my head that it was
Speaker 2: like should I feel bad for feeling good? And then
Speaker 2: my therapist was like like raised his eyebrow. He was like, well,
Speaker 2: there you get like I think you just answered your
Speaker 2: own question. I was like, oh yeah, Like why would
Speaker 2: I get in the way of that. I just mean,
Speaker 2: like in terms of like reading up about award shows
Speaker 2: right now, which is a fun thing I'm doing for
Speaker 2: reasons that don't really have to do with culture wards.
Speaker 2: It's just I was given reading material Michael Schulman's Oscar
Speaker 2: Wars fabulous, so good, so readable, very thick and encyclopedic,
Speaker 2: but like the way he writes is so narrative and fun.
Speaker 1: I'm going to pick that up right away. I'm in
Speaker 1: the market for a new reason.
Speaker 2: It's wonderful, Matt. You're gonna fucking love it, Like you know,
Speaker 2: the reason the Academy was starting the first place was
Speaker 2: to like prey on like an industry of fragile egos
Speaker 2: and reward them with something annually so that they can
Speaker 2: like be motivated to like produce work at a level
Speaker 2: that like was not very reasonable at the time. And
Speaker 2: it was like both an anti censorship body great, but
Speaker 2: also an anti union body bad. So it's like it's
Speaker 2: so complicated. But like the reason Louis B. Mayor and
Speaker 2: all these people started the studio had started the oscars
Speaker 2: was because it was like a way to like literally
Speaker 2: create this validation system that is meant to make people
Speaker 2: feel good or bad and so.
Speaker 1: And in that way you also create an industry.
Speaker 2: Totally, and that's what's happened, and that's what has happened
Speaker 2: in other industries outside of film, and wow, crazy like
Speaker 2: so fascinating. And then that ties into all this like
Speaker 2: therapy stuff that I'm talking about where I'm like I
Speaker 2: was really like meditating on it and like really like
Speaker 2: working outside of any model like feeling validated by it
Speaker 2: because I was like I think, like I'm really proud
Speaker 2: of my work. That's all that matters. No one else
Speaker 2: can define that for me. I am so not even
Speaker 2: like above it because I'm certainly not but I was
Speaker 2: just like I was so removed from it that I
Speaker 2: was like, I can put it over there and if
Speaker 2: it and if the nice thing happens, great, If it doesn't,
Speaker 2: no problem, Like I'm totally your perspective.
Speaker 1: It was developed and.
Speaker 2: Good exactly, especially after for the thirty year in a
Speaker 2: row producing and hosting an award show, a fake awards
Speaker 2: show that has this thin gauzy layer between taking itself
Speaker 2: just seriously enough and not seriously at all, and also.
Speaker 1: Exists to satirize that concept.
Speaker 2: Yes, well yeah, and then and then like thinking about
Speaker 2: like the Emmys or the real thing it's like, or
Speaker 2: any real awards system, it's like that that that thin
Speaker 2: layer is just moved to a different place. It's just
Speaker 2: a different balance of seriously and not seriously. So I
Speaker 2: say all this, and my therapist just goes, well, Bowen,
Speaker 2: it's entertainment, like you like you doing your award show
Speaker 2: is entertainment. It's kind of the same idea like everywhere
Speaker 2: like it is it is to entertain people. It's a show.
Speaker 2: And I'm like totally and that and that like was
Speaker 2: kind of liberating where I was like, oh, I'm part
Speaker 2: of a show.
Speaker 1: You're part of a show, and also just to actually,
Speaker 1: you know, for a second, I'm part of that. It
Speaker 1: deserves you're shot of the show, I mean, And yes,
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about, the same thing. You're part
Speaker 1: of the show because the industry that you're in and
Speaker 1: your peers respect you so much and think, if we're
Speaker 1: going to represent who we are, he should be there.
Speaker 1: And I it's interesting to hear you talk about it
Speaker 1: because I feel similarly. In fact, I did just say
Speaker 1: the other day what's crazy about the business is especially
Speaker 1: for a comedians coming in, you know, I would be
Speaker 1: really interested to talk to some of our comedian friends
Speaker 1: who ended up being in that arena. It's so wild
Speaker 1: because when you're coming up, the thing that makes you successful,
Speaker 1: I think, and the thing that's the north star and
Speaker 1: the thing that you all share is you don't take
Speaker 1: yourself that seriously and then you're able to really show
Speaker 1: who your authentic self is and you're able to really
Speaker 1: tap into what makes you special because you know what,
Speaker 1: you actually climb the cringe mountain in that moment and
Speaker 1: got rid of your checkpoints in order to let yourself
Speaker 1: be who you are and then yes, maybe be viable
Speaker 1: in the business that you work in, and then when
Speaker 1: you are, you look around and people take themselves.
Speaker 2: So so.
Speaker 1: Seriously to the point where you're like, wait, there wasn't
Speaker 1: just one way into this, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: have been validated in a different way, and so they're
Speaker 1: gonna approach this in a different way. So when I
Speaker 1: hear real stories about people campaigning for awards who drive
Speaker 1: themselves nuts and make themselves so unhappy, I just think,
Speaker 1: what a shame that they don't have perspective on this thing.
Speaker 1: But also at the same token, you want it. I mean,
Speaker 1: Amy Poehler has an amazing take on this in her book.
Speaker 1: Ye It's like she talks about like you know, she
Speaker 1: Amy Poehler really doesn't win a lot of awards. She's
Speaker 1: nominated a lot, but I feel like the Emmys have
Speaker 1: not come as freely to her as they have come
Speaker 1: to like a lot of her peers. For example, I
Speaker 1: saw this stat the other day that Maya like wins
Speaker 1: Emmys like he left and right, and now she's nominated
Speaker 1: again a bunch, And we all know Tina has a
Speaker 1: ton of Emmies. Amy won like a golden globe. And
Speaker 1: then outside of that, there hasn't been much, and she
Speaker 1: was talking about it like it's like you're almost resentful
Speaker 1: of it, like it's exciting because it's basically like telling
Speaker 1: a kid like there might there's gonna be cookies and
Speaker 1: some of you are gonna get to eat the cookies,
Speaker 1: but only if you're good, and it's like wow, beforehand,
Speaker 1: I didn't even.
Speaker 2: I didn't want the cookie. I didn't I didn't want
Speaker 2: the cookie.
Speaker 1: I didn't care. I was like just playing in the
Speaker 1: yard with my friends. Now there's cookies inside and only
Speaker 1: a couple of us are going to get it, and
Speaker 1: it's merit based kind of yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's a weird thing. And then the original
Speaker 1: taking that seriously is like is like unfortunate. But also
Speaker 1: you want the fucking cookie because the cookie is gonna
Speaker 1: taste good and this cookie, if you eat it, you
Speaker 1: like get hotter. It's like there's some incentive because of
Speaker 1: the way the industry is gonna feel about you once
Speaker 1: you've in particular cookie. It's loaded. It's weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's loaded. It's weird. And like there's even a
Speaker 2: lot of healthy conversation now about like I'll just say,
Speaker 2: for the way that like SNL fits in a category
Speaker 2: like the comedies, where right, it's one thing that SNL
Speaker 2: like is not evaluated, should not be evaluated frankly on
Speaker 2: the same level as like these like narrative script in
Speaker 2: narrative comedies. And yeah, and again that's not to.
Speaker 1: Say that's not to say that you're not grateful for sure,
Speaker 1: and that you don't deserve it. It's just the way
Speaker 1: they characterize it and categorize it rather is bizarre characterizing category.
Speaker 2: Yes yes, yes yes. And it's also this other thing
Speaker 2: of like there's this whole existential thing that's happening with
Speaker 2: like the comedy categories and the like as well. It's
Speaker 2: like there's two different things and so like it's a
Speaker 2: really like it's really refracted for me, and I'm kind
Speaker 2: of like, okay, I'm just like happy to be yeah
Speaker 2: along for the ride, even because none of this makes
Speaker 2: any sense. Yeah, like everyone in my cast should also
Speaker 2: be nominated. Frankly, Like I do have this weirdness around
Speaker 2: like knowing for a fact that like I represent one
Speaker 2: very specific way that SNL is represented and it only
Speaker 2: works if it has this multitude of all those ways.
Speaker 2: And like everyone who works there and I mean this,
Speaker 2: and I've always thought this. I mean this from the
Speaker 2: bottom of my heart. I feel like everyone who works
Speaker 2: at SNL is really really just trying to like put
Speaker 2: on a good show at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: and that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm getting so stone and I'm like, I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: I think, but I think.
Speaker 1: I think it's very like real and I hadn't thought
Speaker 1: about it like that, you know what I mean. It's like,
Speaker 1: there are so many pieces that come together to deliver that,
Speaker 1: especially at that show, and there really should be. I
Speaker 1: think if you're gonna have a variety sketch category and
Speaker 1: a variety writing category, it only makes sense to have
Speaker 1: a variety performance category, like because to compare your performance
Speaker 1: and like Eben moss Backrax performance is odd. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that unless it was a show that you were
Speaker 1: making up to give out trophies, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so if we're gonna do that, then like at
Speaker 1: least put like a category there that could actually honor
Speaker 1: more talent. Yeah, because so many, so many people on
Speaker 1: that show deserve that honor. But the characterization of what
Speaker 1: constitutes a supporting performance in that comedy is just like
Speaker 1: not neces necessarily one to one inclusive of whatever one does.
Speaker 2: And also variety performance does not. I don't think it
Speaker 2: necessitates any sort of like lead supporting, like oh thing
Speaker 2: at all. It can just be its own categories. If
Speaker 2: you if we don't move out of this gender binary categorization,
Speaker 2: then like it should just be two categories, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like, then just do the male
Speaker 2: and female like whatever that is, so it's just two more.
Speaker 2: I don't know anyway that this is like these are
Speaker 2: like late thoughts that Matt and I have.
Speaker 1: There should be an individual performance category for not only
Speaker 1: just for SNL, for like late night hosts, for Cynthia
Speaker 1: Arrival performing on the Kennedy Center Honors, yea for Cynthia
Speaker 1: Orrivo is singing Alfie, she should be nominated for an Emmy,
Speaker 1: Like it's silly that it's television. Yeah, And they used
Speaker 1: to have this category and they used to give these
Speaker 1: out and so why wouldn't you, Why wouldn't you mm hmm.
Speaker 1: But anyway, and I do think that you would have
Speaker 1: an Emmy by now if there was that category, but
Speaker 1: regards and I think you obviously would have won this
Speaker 1: year because you're the only one nominated, So just saying like,
Speaker 1: there's a way to better quantify these things that then
Speaker 1: you could have more talent represented across the board, and
Speaker 1: then the show gets more fun. I think exactly exactly. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this is now we're doing. I don't think so honey. No,
Speaker 1: not things honey, And I've decided I don't want to
Speaker 1: do the one I was gonna do. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, Joe Mansion, do not fucking run,
Speaker 1: you clown. That's all I want to say. And I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna do a more fun I don't think so honey, because.
Speaker 2: OK, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 2: As time starts now, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think so honey myself on last week's episode because
Speaker 1: I did not talk enough about how much fun we
Speaker 1: had on our vacation. We had so much fun in
Speaker 1: our vacation, and I feel like I talked mostly about
Speaker 1: the bags because they were missing at that moment and
Speaker 1: it was frustrating.
Speaker 2: And it was moments before we were on the mic
Speaker 2: you got that call, oh that.
Speaker 1: And it was moments before I would like to retract
Speaker 1: my energy and like to contribute this energy. We stayed
Speaker 1: at the most beautiful resort in Sicily, and we both
Speaker 1: worked hard to be able to be there, and I'm
Speaker 1: happy that we were able to get out of our
Speaker 1: own way and really enjoy that and look at the
Speaker 1: fuck where we were. The last night, I looked out
Speaker 1: at the water at the sea, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: my god, this is stunning. And I inspired myself. I
Speaker 1: was like, I want to go more places. I want
Speaker 1: to put myself out there more in terms of travel.
Speaker 1: It was a shift that really moved me forward in
Speaker 1: that regard. I loved swimming in that sea. I just
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved all the food, I loved the people,
Speaker 1: and I just had the best time and seconds and like, yes,
Speaker 1: Amstdam was incredible, I've been there before. Taylor was amazing.
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to like shine a light on
Speaker 1: the trip and how much fun I had with my
Speaker 1: friends and I love everyone that I was with and
Speaker 1: I just don't think so, honey, to any thought, that's.
Speaker 2: Not that, that's one minute. Well, I am so happy
Speaker 2: to hear that. And for me, like you and travel, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it didn't occur to me before, Like I always feel
Speaker 2: like you are such a you have such a worldly mind,
Speaker 2: and yet you I feel like you are entering this
Speaker 2: era now where you're like you want to see the world.
Speaker 2: Do you want to like participate in that activity of
Speaker 2: like traveling?
Speaker 1: You know, you guys, there was a minute where it
Speaker 1: looked like maybe we were going to get to go
Speaker 1: to Paris for the Olympics, and then that didn't work out,
Speaker 1: But I was excited about it. I just I want
Speaker 1: to go to lots of places. I think, you know
Speaker 1: what happened, Like last year, I went to Sydney and
Speaker 1: I loved it so much, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: had been to London a few times that year. I
Speaker 1: was like, I need to travel internationally more because I've
Speaker 1: just seen what happens when it feels like that moment
Speaker 1: passes people by, Like I'm from a very blue collar
Speaker 1: Long Island family where we only ever really vacationed in Florida.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was going to California was huge when
Speaker 1: I was twenty two, Like, oh, you only ever went
Speaker 1: to Florida. And I just feel like, you know, that's
Speaker 1: not a given with people.
Speaker 2: I think that's a.
Speaker 1: Thing is It's like, you know, I used to feel
Speaker 1: like I was climbing Cringe Mountain, you know, saying like
Speaker 1: making the jewel, like hah, I've only ever been to Epcot.
Speaker 1: I could only go to Epcot like my parents Thatcot,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So now it's like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I'm connecting with therapid bitch and me
Speaker 1: and wanted to do more things. And it's it was
Speaker 1: just when I heard myself back on the episode, when
Speaker 1: I listened to it for edits, I felt I was
Speaker 1: like sick to my stomach the whole time. I was like, God,
Speaker 1: I hate myself. You would because that was not my experience.
Speaker 2: I loved it, but that was you being so fresh
Speaker 2: from like bad news, from like sitting in this like
Speaker 2: horrible feeling, which was not having your possessions, and like
Speaker 2: it's not that you're like a materialistic person, it's just
Speaker 2: that like our belongings like have this emotional hold on us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there were other personal things going on that
Speaker 1: hadn't been sorted and everything's amazing now, but like you know,
Speaker 1: it's just that was not a good day. And I
Speaker 1: didn't want that to be the final word on that
Speaker 1: trip because I had an unbelievable time.
Speaker 2: Yes, do you have.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: I do. I do.
Speaker 1: I love I love this energy before are you start one?
Speaker 1: I know it makes me very like achieves me. It
Speaker 1: makes my nipples hard. This is Bowen Yang's I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. His legendary time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey.
Speaker 2: What's this gay guy thing where like, you know for
Speaker 2: a fact you've talked to this person on the internet
Speaker 2: in some capacity, whether it's a dating app or it's
Speaker 2: an Instagram DM or something. It's like and you see
Speaker 2: them mountain the wild and all they can do is
Speaker 2: just like furtively glance at you and like, what like
Speaker 2: this is an endemic thing with all gay men. It's like,
Speaker 2: can we just like can we just like not make
Speaker 2: it weird? If you know someone, you know someone and
Speaker 2: go up to them and like say hello, seconds like
Speaker 2: we're there's just this like I don't know, maybe we're
Speaker 2: just shy and we're we're we're like prone to hedging
Speaker 2: when it comes to these social situations. But it's like,
Speaker 2: I think we can just fifteen not do the thing
Speaker 2: if pretending like you know, you've never engaged on the
Speaker 2: internet before. This thing happens. I mean, this maybe is
Speaker 2: particularly New York City, but this just happened to me
Speaker 2: last night at Public Records, Carrie Nation was playing. They
Speaker 2: were wonderful, but I was just like there was just
Speaker 2: that moment happening with a bunch of times I'm like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: we know each other and you can just say.
Speaker 1: Hello, Yeah that's a minute.
Speaker 2: But wait, like how bizarre? How bizarre? Like you and
Speaker 2: I have interacted, and like we both know that we've interacted,
Speaker 2: and so where's this coming from?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah. And also a little bit of
Speaker 1: the messaging there is I was talking to you online
Speaker 1: and now I saw you in person and you're not
Speaker 1: all that, so I don't want to talk to you, right,
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of the messaging, and I think
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 2: That's how I feel, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Maybe what it is?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. It's totally a thing on like my own
Speaker 1: self worth, where I'm like, well, I guess I'm not
Speaker 1: interesting enough to be talked to, you know, Like it's
Speaker 1: it's yeah, like like that, it's that. It's just like
Speaker 1: it's the way it makes you feel about yourself, and
Speaker 1: that's extra self conscious and it was already hard to
Speaker 1: fucking come here, I know, anyway, blast but yeah no,
Speaker 1: And because ultimately you do climb Cringe Mountain, it's start
Speaker 1: to slow roll down the hill. But that's literally a
Speaker 1: climbing Cringe Mountain moment where you're like, oh God, and
Speaker 1: this now we're slow rolling down the hill because we've
Speaker 1: crested it. I just saw Inside Out too, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was so good and Maya Hawk's characterization of
Speaker 1: anxiety was amazing. I loved that fucking movie and I
Speaker 1: was dragging my feet to see it and then I
Speaker 1: saw it and it was pure delight.
Speaker 2: Love that.
Speaker 1: Ugh.
Speaker 2: Well, that's all reparenting. And this has been an episode
Speaker 2: of Lost Culturistas that has been all about this reparenting society,
Speaker 2: reparenting ourselves.
Speaker 1: It's all about that, and the way you do that
Speaker 1: is through community. And speaking of community, And when'sday U,
Speaker 1: MEI and study, you are going to have dinner, and
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna have dinner, But do you want
Speaker 1: to see Twisters?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: We should do that. Yeah, we should see Twisters, guys.
Speaker 1: And next week Twisters it's gonna be covered and maybe
Speaker 1: it'll even be a summer of cunt, although I will
Speaker 1: say it's gonna be hard with the schedules because maybe
Speaker 1: we can figure it out. Maybe maybe, but it might
Speaker 1: be an autumn of cunt.
Speaker 2: Just trust and believe that it's coming, because it has
Speaker 2: never been more cunt than this summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's actually a very it's in terms of
Speaker 1: Matt and Bow and Sudi, it's been a very cunty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: couple weeks especially, and it's feeling good. The thing about
Speaker 1: Sudie Green is she's currently writing for the show Loot
Speaker 1: and is going to be on set working on Loot,
Speaker 1: and also maya may be busy with a character that
Speaker 1: Sudi had helped her with in the past, so it
Speaker 1: might be a very suity twenty twenty four. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a Sudi Q three Q four. It's a Sudi phenomenon.
Speaker 1: A what aenomenon.
Speaker 2: We love you so much to be in every episode
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Speaker 2: It's a Kamala enomenon.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Anyways, your feelings don't matter.
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Speaker 1: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Speaker 1: Executive produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Soni.
Speaker 2: Produced by Becka Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Baby, Manila
Speaker 2: Board and our music
Speaker 1: Is by Henry Komirski