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Speaker 1: in nirvana. And I'm not saying things would be fucking

435
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: perfect afterwards, but we'd have a country.

436
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: I know about working through cringe climbing a cringe mountain.

437
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: I work at Saturday fucking Night Live, the cringiest thing

438
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: in show business on every level.

439
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: Climbing cringe Mountain. Title of f climbing.

440
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: Cringe Mountain, cringe mountain is SNL eternally grateful that I

441
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: work there will be the defining thing of my life

442
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 2: and career. And yet it is a cringe mountain because

443
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 2: to live through working at SNL and to have people

444
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 2: constantly tell you how much it sucks, how bad it is,

445
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: how it's not as good as it used to be

446
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: for your career. You that has to do something to

447
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 2: you psychologically where you emerge and go I don't give

448
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: a fuck.

449
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know what it is. It's like

450
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: y'all put on wigs and you go all your hard.

451
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: It's not even but it's not even cringe because of

452
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: what you do, because I don't think it's cringe. But

453
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: I will say in what I'm saying, which is that

454
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: everyone has a fucking opinion. It's the most popular show

455
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: in the world. It's been now been on for fifty years.

456
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: It is capital see commercial culture, and therefore it's cringe

457
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: because everyone is like, I'm having something to say, and

458
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: it's comedy, and it's subjective, and it's corporate and you

459
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and it's all those things. And

460
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: that's also what we're kind of going through. But on

461
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: the other side of it, guess what, Bowen, you get

462
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: to actually the visceral thing of people laugh, people feel good,

463
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: and that is why we're doing this, and that is

464
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: why America is worth saving, so that we can protect

465
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 1: people and live up to what this actually all is

466
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: fucking about. And now it's getting very broad, but I'm

467
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: just saying, like to you, to me, to everyone, fucking

468
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: get over yourselves and like work at what you do

469
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: and be proud of what you do, and be proud

470
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,959
Speaker 1: of who you are, and be proud that you know

471
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: what's right and wrong. Us King to put it mildly, bless.

472
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: Bless, I just want to say one more thing.

473
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: I want you to say so many things.

474
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: I just want to say one more thing about the

475
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 2: cringe theory as it relates to my job and not

476
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 2: the fate of this country. So I'm sorry to like

477
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 2: you know.

478
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way I sort of like melded those two things,

479
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: but I do think I.

480
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: Do know you really you really brought it home. That

481
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: was such a slagh. This is what you, me and

482
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: Sudy have been saying for such a long time. Like

483
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: all of these fucking guys who like go up on

484
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: stage and do stand up or would do improvert sketch,

485
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: like we know this person this let's say he's straight.

486
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: These guys were like, h, I don't know, Like what

487
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 2: I do is cool and edgy. No, bitch, you go

488
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: on stage and you talk in a microphone in front

489
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: of people.

490
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: That is theater, which is gay. It's gay, so just

491
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: embrace it. Don't like like that's the analog for cringe

492
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: in this context. It's like I'm over these people who

493
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: are just like I don't know. It's like, just do

494
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: it so that you can, like every now and then

495
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: you do something because it's not cool and because it

496
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: actually benefits something outside of you, even though it is

497
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: locked into all these other like terrible oppressive systems. The

498
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: motion is up at whatever access, Okay, like just like

499
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: just do it. Oh, can I tell you something? Can

500
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: I tell you something? I'm a singing Christmas comedian, I'm cringe.

501
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm Matt Rogers. I'm cringe, and people buy tickets to

502
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: my shit and I see them afterwards, and they're living,

503
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: and you know who else is living me? It's my

504
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: fucking dream. And had I not climbed the cringe mountain,

505
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be looking at my fucking vinyl over there.

506
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this because I feel like I

507
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: did something which you did. I'm saying this because I'm

508
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: happier for having gotten out of my own way and

509
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: not giving a fuck about the bullshit. So what I'm

510
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: saying is, get out of your own way, stop giving

511
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: a fuck about the bullshit, climb the cringe mountain that

512
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: is this election, and that is Kamala often because now

513
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: guess what, she's fucking brat coded and if you think

514
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: that's cringe, your feelings don't matter. We're gonna save the world, period.

515
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: And now I've hit my blunt. If it has not

516
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: been obvious, what else has happened? Has anything else happened?

517
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: I haven't. I don't think it's money that sort of

518
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: reallyd did this just because there's one figure in politics

519
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: that if I ever hear his name again, and it's

520
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: not even it's not even one of the top five

521
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: you're thinking about, maybe it is, but like, ugh, we'll

522
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: get to it. Okay, what else? Oh, Remy Wolf period.

523
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Soup girl, where have you been? This is not quite

524
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: as egregious because I think what Matt Rogers will dine

525
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: out on for the rest of his life is to

526
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: say that he introduced hordes of people to Chapel Round.

527
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: This is not quite the same thing. But I've been

528
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: up in this podcast shouting at Remy Wolf for a bit.

529
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: You definitely have. In fact, last week I called out

530
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: a different Remy Yes and her summer song, and you

531
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: were like Remy Wolf, and I was like, oh no,

532
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: but also yes. And I have been aware of Remy

533
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: Wolf for quite a while, but someone I dated liked her.

534
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: I think I might have been George.

535
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: George loves Remy Yeah, And so.

536
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: I've been a Remy Wolf fan in a soft sense.

537
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: But now, like this new record, it's really great and

538
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: she deserves to take her place. And I am excited

539
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: about seeing her live because I heard she puts on

540
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: the show.

541
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: She puts on the show. You need to go go

542
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: back and listen to her old albums all the way

543
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: through like this, Oh, I certainly will start to finish

544
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: wonderful songwriting.

545
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And by the way, with the Chapel rowing of

546
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: it all. I am just happy that people got on

547
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: board in the way they have. It doesn't even matter

548
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: for me because you know, you don't know, you don't

549
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: every single time I say listen, it was a straight

550
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: man that told me about her. And I say his

551
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: name with my full chest, Matthew Vaughn, and I say

552
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: he is due the respect because he actually tried several times,

553
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, girl, please, like, I don't know

554
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 1: who that is, and I just can't have you introduce

555
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: it popularly to me. He was right, he was right.

556
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to listen to these straight men like

557
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: sometimes they might yeah, they might really know something. And

558
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: this one knows he knows something about multiple things. Careful

559
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: the things.

560
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: You say careful children will listen, children listen. What else

561
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: has happened? I've had such a crazy fucking week of

562
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: my body. Here's what's going on since Italy?

563
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: For what do you think it is? Yeah?

564
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, it's not a bad thing

565
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 2: on its face, like me being like a warning person,

566
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: but I am like only getting like six hours of sleep,

567
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: which I know is like a clean rem cycle thing,

568
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: but it's like I do want to feel refreshed, and

569
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: I have not felt refreshed in a way.

570
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: That's a lot for you. Well, I just fix is

571
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: a lot for you girl? Not you like it was

572
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: probably last year or six months ago, eight months ago

573
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: where you said just plainly that you're used to four.

574
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: We need to figure that out. Is that anxiety you

575
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: think or like are you before bed? Like what do

576
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: you think it is about the sleep?

577
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: I think it might be anxiety. It might be my mattress.

578
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: I think I might have to spop out the mattress

579
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: for something softer, because yeah, we were shooting a month

580
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: ago and I was I was laying down in a

581
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: bed for a scene and it was a soft.

582
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: Mattress and I kind of went, wait a minute. You

583
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: were like, maybe this is what I've needed all along.

584
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: It's that thing. It was right under your nose the

585
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: whole time, not to dapt mattresses.

586
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: No, literally, I'm telling you that might be it, because Okay,

587
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna reveal I actually avoid my apartment in New

588
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: York now and I think it's actually coloring my New

589
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: York experience because that mattress hurts me. And this is

590
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: another thing I'll say about Barry's boot Camp. I am

591
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: obsessed with Barry's boot Camp. I really feel like I

592
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: look the best I have and I'm so galvanized and

593
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: I love going. It is just hard on your body

594
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: if you're not really taking a long time to stretch.

595
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: And about a month ago, I was being really relaxed

596
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: about the stretching and sleeping on a bed in New

597
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: York that was, let's say, very firm, because the person

598
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: that owns that place has not a great back and

599
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: needs a very firm mattress. I don't have that until

600
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm not stretching and I sleep on a bad mattress.

601
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: I am now sort of obsessed with LA again, solely

602
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: because of the mattress here, which is what let me

603
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: tell you a helix midnight clap clap clap. Not trying

604
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: to do an ad, but I am giving testimonial in

605
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: many different ways and saying this actually is the shit.

606
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: And my sister got one too, and she's happier than ever.

607
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish, Hmmm, that sounds like Billie Eilish was your

608
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: sister there for a second. I don't think that we are,

609
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: but I'll do the twenty three in me Mmm.

610
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: Eilish Irish yes, I am just recalibrating things right now.

611
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: I really am trying to get gut health in check.

612
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I literally I ordered a pooping kit. Yeah, I

613
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: got a poop. I gotta scoop. I gotta send it

614
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: back to the lab. Oh, so you're you're doing it.

615
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: You're pooping in a bag.

616
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm pooping in a bag and I'm waiting for my

617
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: microbiom read out. So I know what I need to

618
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: focus on in the gut.

619
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's gonna help and yield results, I say,

620
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: try every fucking thing poop in that bag. Sister.

621
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: For my second brain, which is another name for the stomach.

622
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: Holy fuck, where did you get that or did you

623
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: come up with it? No?

624
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: No, no, a lot of them got health.

625
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: People say that that the stomach is a second brain.

626
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: You know what. Yeah, because it thinks for itself.

627
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: It talks to your brain, and it thinks for itself.

628
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: Wow. I love that your stomach is your second brain. Honey.

629
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes my stomach has a bad ideas. Let me tell

630
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: you something.

631
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: Sometimes my stomach is my you know, first brain, and

632
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: sometimes my brain is my second stomach.

633
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: No, we talked about this, because we did. We did,

634
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 1: remember we talked about this. I told you, Oh, maybe

635
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: I said this to Jared, but I told you, Okay,

636
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm gonna be really honest because I'm

637
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: in my honesty era. I'm tiktoking a lot m h.

638
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: And I'm here of saying go kamala. So I'm just

639
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: gonna come out here and say this. Within this year,

640
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: I have, let's put it like this, lost my shit

641
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: and it happened very close to my actual bathroom, and

642
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: it took me by surprise.

643
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: You did tell me about this.

644
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: I shit my pants actually because I had eaten badly

645
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: the night before and I had a cold brew, and

646
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: I was actually I knew it was going to be

647
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: an emergency. And so I was in the elevator and

648
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this cannot move fast enough,

649
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: and it quite in fact could not, because in my

650
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: elevator in New York. Let's just say, I ruined my

651
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: Brooks Marks pants And I'm sorry Brooks.

652
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: It was. It has nothing to do with you.

653
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with you. In fact, I

654
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: would say, I felt so comfortable in your stuff, you.

655
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

656
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: And I also know I'm putting this out there and

657
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm sort of getting very fecal, and I'm sort of

658
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: joining my sister in fecal confessions.

659
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 2: In confessions and one more, thinking that Brooks marks thing.

660
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: His initials are BM, and they're all over the pants,

661
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: And that's what you had.

662
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: I hadn't even considered that until now.

663
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: BM.

664
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: And that's actually real culture number nineteen BM. Yeah. So,

665
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: but luckily he had sent three pairs, so I still

666
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: have my other two but to go. So what I'm

667
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: saying is my stomach was acting as a second brain

668
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: where it actually I'm telling you I was thinking so

669
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: hard with my brain and trying so hard with pretty

670
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: much every part of my body including it, my stomach

671
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: was making executive decisions.

672
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: Executive function was in the stomach.

673
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: And the butthole was an accomplice.

674
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is like, you know, I think

675
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: like parasympathetic, like your butt, kind of like I was

676
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: at the butthole head of mine of its own. But

677
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: I think the stomach is the one pulling all the string.

678
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: Stomach is like the twist villain at the end of

679
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: a movie, like it was her all along.

680
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, say something. I know this was not everyone's

681
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: favorite episode the Tyler Henry Hollywood Medium episode. I know

682
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: that it was not everyone's favorite episode. Not everyone liked

683
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: that health came up during that reading.

684
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: It's iconic.

685
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: He said to me, you need to watch your stomach

686
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: and your gut stuff. And I was like, okay, And

687
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: I do think now it's sort of an iconic moment

688
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: because let me tell you, Hm, the spirits.

689
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: Got me on that one. Let me tell you that

690
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 2: DUDELRD knows what he's talking about.

691
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: But wait, can I say this is another reason he

692
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: has the gift. This is another reason why you can't

693
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: be eating bad at night. And I ask you, do

694
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: you ever eat like really late or eat garbage at night?

695
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you okay, But this is this is

696
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 2: all part of my own pooping in a bag journey.

697
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: Like I'm really I really want to get into not

698
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: I'm not like Aura rain Coat and I'm not about

699
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: to get my fucking like all my biometrics so I

700
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: can optimize and shit, I just want to know. I

701
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: just want to poop in a bag and know what

702
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: my microbiome is. That's I really just want to know names.

703
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: I want to know like ooh, I'm going to eat

704
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: more spear leane at like whatever.

705
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well first of all, like, yeah, it's going

706
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: to improve your life exponentially. One thing you can definitely do, though,

707
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: like right on the outset, one thing you can definitely

708
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: do is just not eat before you go to bed,

709
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: because I do think that that look just confronting our

710
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: mid thirties head on, there's something with that. It's like

711
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: my stomach when that when I was doing that, and

712
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: I've had to fight, especially as someone who loves a

713
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: reefer in the nighttime.

714
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: It's hard.

715
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: You cannot eat before you go to bed because your

716
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: stomach is so pissed off in the morning, and you

717
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: wake up so much earlier than you would have. Yes,

718
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: because your stomach's making decisions.

719
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: Of course, second brain, if you are going to eat

720
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: something little baby tomato, little carrot stick, a little grape,

721
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: that'll do yet.

722
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: Yes, you know what what You're right and literally you

723
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: know what, I've become really obsessed with cucumber, bitch.

724
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: You've never eaten a vegetable more refreshing.

725
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: Literally, it's hydrating, it's esthetically pleasing, it's easy to prepare

726
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: and get this. You can even dress up your cucumber.

727
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: This is what you do I feel like Anthony Porowski. Yeah,

728
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: I've actually never felt more like Anthony than recently. We

729
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: love it a negative. I don't care. I'm climbing Cringe

730
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: Mountain and I'm sliding down the other end. I love him.

731
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 2: Guess who climbed Cringe Mountain?

732
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Anthony? And guess who's got many books out and looks

733
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: like Anthony. Come on. Sometimes I see pictures of him

734
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, there he is the world's hottest man.

735
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: And it's okay. It's okay anyway. Irrespective of that, people

736
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: think that about me all the time. It's literally like

737
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: that's something the three of us all share. It's okay.

738
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, this is what you do. You

739
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: chop up your cucumber.

740
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

741
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: You get a little hot sauce.

742
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: I I think I'm with.

743
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: You, like mild, And I'm not talking about like go crazy.

744
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like some chilula. Even you put a

745
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: little bit of chilula on the thing, a little bit

746
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: of salt and pepper, a little bit of salt and pepper.

747
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: But then what you do is you just rub the

748
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: cucumbers all up around in the hot sauce. And stuff,

749
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: so it's almost like dressing. It's like almost like like

750
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: buffalo cucumber and then you eat the cucumber. It is

751
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: the best snack. It's actually a nominee for best Snack. Yes, bo,

752
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: how would you see it on the card? That snack

753
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: cucumbers with hot sauce, A little salt and pepper.

754
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 2: Felt like that, A little salt andn pepper, like eating

755
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: buffalo cucumber.

756
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if. I don't know if I

757
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: would go as far as to call it buffalo cucumber,

758
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: because I think what you immediately think of is fried cauliflower.

759
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: And I can't this is still on the card. This

760
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: is still the nominee name. No no no no no

761
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: no no.

762
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: I personally and all of a sudden, a nominee has

763
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: like a subheader, like a below the fellowship of the ring.

764
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: This is cucumber, buffalo sauce, but the thing is a

765
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: little bit of salt and pepper. And then thought, it's

766
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: like a Fiona Apple album.

767
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: It's album.

768
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I swear by this snack and I learned

769
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: it from my father. I got it from my daddy.

770
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. If you climb Crans Mountain,

771
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: you slide down the slide. That's what I think is

772
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: on the other end of Cridge Mountain like a slide,

773
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: like a really fun slide. I'm very into slide culture

774
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: recently because I went on a vacation where they had

775
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: a water slide and you saw me at the Bahamar

776
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: the first time we went. You know, I, you know,

777
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: I'll do any water slide.

778
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: You love a slide, love it slide case.

779
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't care what it does to my back in

780
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: regards to scratches, I really don't like. I love going

781
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: down a slide. I love what was it? There was

782
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: something I recently did where I was like, oh, it

783
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: was when we were in Sicily. I never did jump

784
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: off that big rock.

785
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: The big rone. I don't think you needed to do that.

786
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: It's a big rock.

787
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: But you know I was diving off the smaller rock.

788
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you were having a great time and that

789
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: I think sometimes you got to you gotta cap it

790
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: and be like that's enough for me.

791
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there was no real reason for me to

792
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: dive off a rock that was how high would you

793
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: say that was? That was like seventy feet high, seventy

794
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: feet seven stories, Matt, Come on, you don't need to

795
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: do that.

796
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you really don't.

797
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: There's a little part of me. This is who the

798
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: little kid in me is. And this is maybe different

799
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: from the way you were, but not I don't think so.

800
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: The little kid in me was like an aspiring daredevil,

801
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: like I wanted, was obsessed with doing like bungee jumping,

802
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: and like really couldn't wait to jump out of a plane,

803
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: to the point where I jumped out of a plane

804
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: at eighteen. Yeah, and it's I've never been the same.

805
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: It was horrible, horrible.

806
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: You're not human beings aren't supposed to do that.

807
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: What's the most extreme thing you've ever done?

808
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: I really don't think I am. I've done extreme things.

809
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: I guess maybe you know what if I could use

810
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: conjecture on you, Yeah, have you ever done like black

811
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: diamond skiing? Sure, then maybe that maybe that what if

812
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: you can think of the sensation of that? Are you comfort? No? See?

813
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: I hate it?

814
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: So it certainly can't get shouldn't get darker and worse?

815
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: You mean like double black diamond, Like what I'm saying

816
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: is like darker in terms of like why we're doing this,

817
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: like like throwing yourself out of a plane is dark.

818
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: It's so dark, that's what you're saying. Yeah, it's like

819
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: it's like bungee jumping. It's a little dark. It's like,

820
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: why are we doing anything where you're not gonna die?

821
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: But like more likely you could.

822
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: Die, much more likely now that you could die, and

823
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: for however long you're doing this activity.

824
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: I think anytime you yourself become a flying projectile at high speed,

825
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: you've placed yourself in a more digs for death. Correct,

826
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: were now at the level of high risk.

827
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: And the high risk is relative of course, but like

828
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: you just have to think about relative to what because

829
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: relative to you being on the ground, so much higher

830
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: capacity and possibility for death. If you're up in the

831
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 2: sky and about to judge otup a plane, I think

832
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: about what it felt like to careem through the sky.

833
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: I sometimes you remember walk us through, Honey, I remember

834
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: the whole You know, there's video of it. I have

835
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: to find the DVD and put it online.

836
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: It is first of all, it's me at eighteen, fresh

837
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: from graduating, so closeted, like he's in the voice doing

838
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: the giving shows, giving shows like they strapped me because

839
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: you have to do tandem I'm sure I've told this before,

840
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: but like they strap a man on you, so you

841
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: go tandem. This guy had this highest spikiest like hair.

842
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: I joked that I don't remember his name, but the

843
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: only name I can give him in retrospect is Trask.

844
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: He seemed like a Trask to me.

845
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: First of all, you have a thing with the name Trask.

846
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 2: You love Trass hasn't come through before. I'm flashing back

847
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: to all these moments before. We're like in like a sketcher,

848
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: like in an improv show or something. You'll be like,

849
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm Trask, and I'm like, Okay, this guy loves the

850
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: oc or he loves East of Eden. Something he loves

851
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: Oliver Trask.

852
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: You know, whenever I'm Trask, and know that if Bowen

853
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: and I ever write or create anything, wink wink, and

854
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: there's someone named Trask, that character, there's something about that character.

855
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: If we ever have a character Trask and you ever

856
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: in media, if Trask ever appears, know that that's for

857
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: a reason, because this guy was such a Trask. We

858
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: the way that you skydive and I went with my

859
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: like all my male friends and my one girlfriend, Laurenne,

860
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: and you have to sit thirty thousand, No, thirteen, what

861
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: is it thirteen thousand feet in there? When you skide,

862
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: I have thirty thousand. When you like shave, you have

863
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: to sit on like like they open the door and

864
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: you sit with your legs dangling nothing beneath you, and

865
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 1: then you go, you literally go, you rock one, rock two,

866
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: and then you are supposed to front flip out of

867
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: a plane. And then after the one flip, you sort

868
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: of like toss your arms and legs back and sort

869
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: of get into like almost like you're a super Bowl

870
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: belly down. That's like the position you're supposed to be

871
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: in with someone on your back. That sensation you sort

872
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: of adjust to six or seven seconds in because it

873
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: starts to feel like when you put your hand out

874
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: of a car window on the highway, just that air

875
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: you start to just feel. Once you adjust to the

876
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: zero gravity, you start to just feel that all over

877
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: your body. Then it gets a little fun. Then, by

878
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: the way, this is all on tape. Then they pull

879
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: the parachute. And what they don't tell you is when

880
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: they pull the parachute going.

881
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: It fucking pulls you.

882
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: Yes, but that's not even the worst part. Yes, there

883
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: is a jostling and you get pulled and you like land.

884
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 2: There is a.

885
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: Ten to twelve second feeling of euphoria that you did it. Now,

886
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: then you realize the worst is yet to come, hun

887
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: because you're still three thousand feet off the fucking ground

888
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: and there is nothing Benya few, but there is a

889
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: man on your back and he's Trask, babe, and Trask

890
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: doesn't play by the rules. Something to know about Trask.

891
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: Trask has the ability to sort of like make you

892
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: go left and right and even in some cases do

893
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: like flip as you go down. They'll ask you if

894
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: you want that. It's just whether or not you're an

895
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: eighteen year old closeted person whose number one goal in

896
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: life is to make straight men feel like you're okay,

897
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If you're not that person,

898
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 1: you might say something like no, no, no, oh my gosh,

899
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: I've had enough. Let's just float down on not really

900
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: feeling great. Or you could be that person and you

901
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: say for sure and you were when what person were you?

902
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 2: You were? You were that good? You were for sure?

903
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Me? I was me? That was me? Then this was

904
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: me because I floated down for nine minutes, dry heaving,

905
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: vomiting in my shirt with this man on my back,

906
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: spitting into my t shirt, coughing, spurting, spitting, gagging for

907
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: nine minutes until we landed. And then when I land,

908
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: I have to find this video. When I land, the

909
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: camera picks me up again and I'm cross eyed. I

910
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: pull myself off off the ground and then are you

911
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: gonna do it again? And I just give a thumbs

912
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: up like this, get the screenshot. Ough, I just give

913
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: a thumbs up like yep, I'll be back, and then

914
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: they freeze frame on my face. By the way, the

915
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: song that's playing is like We're going to the place

916
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: where we belong Hell. Like that's like the song that's

917
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: like being sung. I just made that up, but that

918
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: was the genre. And like, I've never felt worse or

919
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: more terrified in my life than in that moment. It's

920
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: all on tape. And that is when I developed fear.

921
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: That moment is when I developed physical, atmospheric fear. I

922
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: always had emotional fear again closet at eighteen, but this

923
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: was different. I no longer identified as someone who wanted

924
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: to push any limits.

925
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: That is to me and please tell me if I'm

926
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: out of line. So fortunate that you have have this

927
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: on tape, because guess what that moment is.

928
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: Tell me what it is, and tell everyone too.

929
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: Well, there's climbing cringe mountain, and then there's jumping out

930
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: of cringe airlines. Yep, and you jumped out of cringe

931
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: airlines at the literal peak of your cringe, which was

932
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: I need to make sure these straight boys still like

933
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 2: me and think I'm funny and want to hang out

934
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 2: with me. Yes, And I hope trask Like doesn't mind

935
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: that I like the way his crotch feels on my butt.

936
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I couldn't have been less horny.

937
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: I was getting spurting, vomiting and spitting in the air.

938
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't even thinking about Dixon my butt and later

939
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: I would all the time.

940
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 2: Of course, much not soon after that moment. I'm sure

941
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: I you literally were throwing up on yourself, your own

942
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: fucking discharge covering you. Oh yeah, being humiliated by these

943
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: men who ask you after this life threatening violatory experience

944
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: you've had go want to do that again, and you

945
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: have no choice but to throw your thumbs up because

946
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: your psyche has been so for an entire life bludgeoned

947
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: by patriarchy. That is all on tape, so you can

948
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: watch it, you can document, but like you can you

949
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: literally have something outside of your own memory of it

950
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: that exists where you can point to that and be like,

951
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 2: this is the day that I climbed Cringe Mountain, that

952
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: I jumped out of Cringe airlines. Yeah, you are a

953
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: better person for it.

954
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I one, because I'm alive. Who knows at that

955
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: rate had I enjoyed that? Get this? This is the

956
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: part where the story gets really fucking crazy. So one

957
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: of my friends, Kevin, loved the experience. And the guys

958
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: were telling us about their job, the people that would

959
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: jump tandem. We were like, how many times do you

960
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: guys do this a day? Tras goes nineteen times a

961
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: day is usually how many times I do that? I go,

962
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: holy fucking shit, And I guess it computed to us

963
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: as these guys do this every day. Let's say they

964
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: work four or five times a week, nineteen times a

965
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: day they jump out of a plane. I don't know,

966
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: let's say one hundred times a week, and they've all

967
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: done this for a while. It just doesn't happen that

968
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: there's accidents, right, you know what I mean, Like, clearly,

969
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: this is just like any other recreational activity. It's like

970
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 1: go into a theme park and strapping into a roller coast.

971
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: You're actually safer there than you are on the open road.

972
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: Got it. It's a monitored thing. Never mind the paperwork

973
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: they make you signed before you can even do it.

974
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: That's like if you die, you can't see. Never mind

975
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: that it doesn't happen. Kevin went again, I babe. When

976
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: they landed, which they did, thank god. The guy goes

977
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: to him, dude, we had to go to the backup shoot.

978
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: He goes, what he goes? We had to go to

979
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: the backup shoot. I pulled the first shoot. The thing

980
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: didn't come out. It has never happened to me before.

981
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. There was about a ten second

982
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: period where I was really scared, on your back, really scared,

983
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: and then I just got my wits about me and

984
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: pulled the backup shoot, and thank god I remembered where

985
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: it was, et cetera. Like that. I just but the

986
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: point being they had to go to the backup shoot.

987
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: What what? And he never went again.

988
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: This is the perfect thing to unpack. Yeah for you,

989
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: for the state of the world.

990
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: You don't have to jump out the mountain like it

991
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: just because you think it's going to be exciting. It's okay.

992
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: Let someone else jump about the plane, about the plane,

993
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: you mean, jump about that, jump about the planet. You'll

994
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: know what we're saying.

995
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 2: I mean, if you don't have to climb Cringe Mountain,

996
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: if you don't have a Cringe mountain in your horizon,

997
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 2: bless you. I hope I pray that you never have

998
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: to climb Cringe Mountain.

999
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: No, I think everyone should climb Cringe Mountain. Everyone should

1000
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: climb Cringe Mountain.

1001
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: Well, yes, this is like my theory on like queerness,

1002
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: like not everyone has to be queer, and not everyone

1003
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 2: will be queer, but they should be. I think that

1004
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: would be nice, you know, Like that's how I feel. Yeah,

1005
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: but it's not like it's obviously not prescriptive and there's

1006
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 2: no agenda there.

1007
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: It's but then what would set us apart.

1008
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: If everyone's queer? No one is? Well anyway, I hope

1009
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: you don't have to climb Cringe Mountain, is what I'm saying.

1010
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 2: But everyone should because more likely than not, you will.

1011
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 2: You will come across it in your travels and the

1012
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: travails of your life. Cringe mountain will be right before you.

1013
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: You will be at the base of it, and you

1014
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: have no choice but to climb.

1015
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: Or stan or stan And I guess, oh, this is

1016
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to say about it. You

1017
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: know who absolutely was there. The only parents to come

1018
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: watch it was Richard and Katrina Rogers, Ritchie and Trina

1019
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: showed up and they were like, no, we're gonna watch it.

1020
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: I think my mom had in her head that like

1021
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: and I used to have this when I was a

1022
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: kid too. Sometimes, like I as a little kid would

1023
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 1: every time my mom left to go to the store,

1024
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: would I would be like, I'm coming, and she was like,

1025
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: you don't have to come, and I was like, no,

1026
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm coming. And I think in my head I was like,

1027
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: if I'm in the car, there can't be an accident.

1028
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, of course invincible kid syndrome. And

1029
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: you think like, I'm gonna protect my mother by going

1030
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: in the car with her, Like, I know if I'm

1031
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: there will be okay, because nothing can back it up

1032
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: into me, right. I think that my mom thought like, well,

1033
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go watch it so I can actually see it,

1034
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: and it won't be such a big deal. Can you

1035
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: imagine if your parents are there when you throw yourself

1036
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: out of a plane and hit the ground.

1037
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I was going to say that they're very

1038
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: good parents for coming and showing up and watching.

1039
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: No, they are, but that's even more sad.

1040
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: No, No, that's just love. Is not sad. They love you.

1041
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: They love you.

1042
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,959
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen in the movie Simon Birch. No,

1043
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: it's about a boy who's different mmmm, and he plays

1044
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: baseball and he gets on the team. He finally gets

1045
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: on the team. It's like they accept him and his

1046
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: best friend's mother is played by Ashley Judd. And at

1047
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, like Simon Birch finally gets

1048
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: to like hit the ball. He gets to go bat.

1049
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: Simon Birch connects with the ball, hits the ball. It's

1050
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: a beautiful moment.

1051
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: WHOA.

1052
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: The ball goes into this guy in the parking lot.

1053
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: Ashley Judd is getting out of her car. The ball

1054
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: kills her. H's Ashley Judd in the temple of her head.

1055
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: It but when they run over to Ashley Judd. Everyone

1056
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: runs over to Ashley Judd. The coach like takes her pulse.

1057
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: She's dead. Simon Birch looks at his best friend, whose

1058
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: mother is dead and played by Ashley Judd, and he

1059
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: says I'm sorry and runs away forever. That's what you

1060
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: get for being a good parent, showing up to the games.

1061
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: You get a foul ball in the temple. You die

1062
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: for no reason.

1063
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: Simon Birch was released on September eleventh, nineteen nineteen.

1064
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, that is such a tragic day. Can

1065
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: I say you? It's only closer number fifty September eleventh.

1066
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: That is such a tragedy.

1067
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: Tragic day.

1068
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: I did not know that Ashley Judd's character dies. Can

1069
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: you read this? Just vindicate me? Here the synopsis go

1070
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: to the end. Okay, just by the way, Sorry everyone.

1071
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: Spoiler for Simon Birch, a film released on September nineteen

1072
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: ninety eight. Really the height of Ashley Judd.

1073
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: During baseball, Simon hits the perfect pitch. It becomes a

1074
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: foul ball that hits Rebecca in the.

1075
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: Head, killing her. Simon gives Joe his price to baseball

1076
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: cards as an apology, which Joe gives Simon the stuffed

1077
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: armadillo as forgiveness. I mean, he's not forgiven, for he

1078
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: hit a murdered.

1079
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: No, he didn't murder this.

1080
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: You can't even go to this is an accident.

1081
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: She murdered her bad.

1082
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: And it was cold blooded murder. Keep reading because it

1083
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: gets worse. Joe can't, Joe couldn't forgive Simon. Keep going, Jo.

1084
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: Joe's grandmother informs Joe that her own death is eminent

1085
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: due to her age, and there must be a plan

1086
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: for him once her time comes. As Rebecca never told

1087
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: anyone who Joe's father was, even in confidence. Simon believes

1088
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: that Joe's father may have taken the baseball that killed

1089
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: Seeming their gym teacher a fitting candidate, they break into

1090
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: his office to see if he has it, but it

1091
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: isn't there. Overwhelmed with despair, Joe vandalizes the office. The

1092
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: police chief agrees to release them if they go to

1093
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 2: the children's retreat over winter break. There's a lot of

1094
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: plot happening in this.

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01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: I thought that was the end of the movie. I

1096
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: guess not.

1097
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: No, there's two more paragraphs. Babe, Wow, this is well.

1098
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: Just look at how it ends ends.

1099
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: Please.

1100
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: While Simon and Joe are riding the bus, helmet crashes

1101
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: into the lake with the driver abandoning the bus and

1102
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 2: Russell unconscious. Simon takes command and gets everyone out with

1103
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 2: Joe's help Wow, but nearly drowns while saving last child.

1104
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: Joe visits a dying Simon in the hospital, remarking how

1105
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: his small size worked to his advantage in evacuating the kids.

1106
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: They bit each other farewell before Simon dies. Joe's grandmother

1107
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: passes away that summer, and he's adopted by Ben just

1108
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: before his thirteenth birthday. Back in the present day, with

1109
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: adult Joe at Simon's grave, Joe's son, named after Simon,

1110
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: reminds him that he has a soccer game, and they

1111
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: drive away. As the film ends, don't.

1112
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: Go to the game an errand ball might kill you

1113
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: if you're a mother.

1114
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 2: And then don't go to the children's cheat because the

1115
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: bus home might crash into a lake.

1116
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard something crazier in your life than

1117
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: the plot of that film? Uh?

1118
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1119
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: The twenty twenty four election period, bitch, you age? What

1120
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: what's ninety nine minus ninety one?

1121
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: Hold on eight?

1122
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: Thank you? It's time for I don't think so, honey.

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01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: This has been you know, this has been one of

1124
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: those episodes that did it all i'd say.

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01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with you, and right before we go

1126
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: into I don't think so, honey, I do have to.

1127
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: And I know we quote this like once every couple

1128
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: of years, but someone did just randomly post for no reason. Really,

1129
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm just posted the scene of Valerie Cherish walking into

1130
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: the HBO offices in season two of The Comeback, and

1131
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 2: it is I think the funniest scene, one of the

1132
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: funniest TV scenes in history.

1133
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 1: Started it all, Sopranos started it all.

1134
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: Sex and the City started it all. I guess I'm

1135
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: one of the girls now. Then she laughs, and then

1136
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: she goes over to the Sopranos. Sopranos started it all

1137
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: at all different way way.

1138
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 3: Oh, and she turns. Then she turns to like like

1139
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 3: true blood or something. She goes, I don't know that one,

1140
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 3: or that's what she was like, No, don't know that one.

1141
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: I don't know of course.

1142
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 3: Nila Durham, at first she goes, oh this, Oh, here

1143
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 3: we go, and she sees the poster, turns to the

1144
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 3: camera and goes, new Girls.

1145
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: Girl. Maybe the funniest part of the whole scene, which

1146
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about.

1147
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: I love her New Girls.

1148
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: Leela Durham I think it's Lena. That's what I said, Lena,

1149
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: no see and she looks at the poster. It's the

1150
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: perfect scene in terms of like character ship too. It's like,

1151
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: you know everything about Valerie Cherish in this in this

1152
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: one scene and she only says like twelve words total.

1153
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, Valerie Cherish is one of

1154
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: the greatest characters in television history. It needn't even be

1155
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: said period. There is really no world. And oh my god,

1156
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: I just thought to myself, there's no world. Why she

1157
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have an Emmy for that. Congratulations of my sister

1158
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: on your Emmy nomination, the third one in this category,

1159
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: fourth overall.

1160
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: Thank you, sister, very honored.

1161
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: Only six nominees and like fucking Boon and Yang.

1162
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: I really didn't think it was I really didn't think

1163
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 2: it was gonna happen because I, like, I checked, you

1164
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: deserved it. Here's what happened. I checked one prognosticator and

1165
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: like whatever I had, Like I have my Google alert

1166
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: for myself, just you know, just so I'm on top

1167
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 2: of it. And like in the little clipping of the

1168
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: article that'll always say like you're like whatever your name,

1169
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: whatever the Google term is, and then like this this

1170
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: is the word surrounding it, and like I was like, oh,

1171
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: like based off of one little like gleaning of it.

1172
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't think it's happening this year.

1173
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: No problem, it's a weird it's a weird year.

1174
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: I did see you were on the bubble. I of course, look,

1175
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: I just I was on the bubble Emmy Race and

1176
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: you were on the bubble. But I was like, oh,

1177
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: I really just hope that like people actually remember how

1178
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: good your work was because you deserved it. And I'm

1179
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: so happy, thanks queen. I feel like I had my

1180
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 1: best season. I think you did.

1181
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: I was really proud of this last season. So I'm

1182
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 2: really honored. And it's this thing where let's get real,

1183
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 2: let's get honesty zone. Like I brought this up in

1184
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: therapy because like I had this whole thing leading up

1185
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: to like the nomin I knew, I knew a day

1186
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 2: they weren't gonna announce, and I was like, cool, got it.

1187
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna like emotionally build up anything towards

1188
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: that because I'm just like I know what this is

1189
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: like and like, yeah, it doesn't happen.

1190
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: It's like to get it and not get.

1191
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 2: It exactly, and getting it is the whole thing too

1192
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: of like, well, like am I putting too much meaning

1193
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: in that? So basically I went into therapy the next

1194
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 2: day being like, I like, have this thing I want

1195
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 2: to talk about here where I'm like, I had this

1196
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: flash of a thought in my head that it was

1197
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 2: like should I feel bad for feeling good? And then

1198
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 2: my therapist was like like raised his eyebrow. He was like, well,

1199
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: there you get like I think you just answered your

1200
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: own question. I was like, oh yeah, Like why would

1201
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 2: I get in the way of that. I just mean,

1202
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 2: like in terms of like reading up about award shows

1203
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 2: right now, which is a fun thing I'm doing for

1204
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 2: reasons that don't really have to do with culture wards.

1205
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: It's just I was given reading material Michael Schulman's Oscar

1206
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: Wars fabulous, so good, so readable, very thick and encyclopedic,

1207
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: but like the way he writes is so narrative and fun.

1208
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to pick that up right away. I'm in

1209
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: the market for a new reason.

1210
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 2: It's wonderful, Matt. You're gonna fucking love it, Like you know,

1211
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: the reason the Academy was starting the first place was

1212
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: to like prey on like an industry of fragile egos

1213
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 2: and reward them with something annually so that they can

1214
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 2: like be motivated to like produce work at a level

1215
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 2: that like was not very reasonable at the time. And

1216
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: it was like both an anti censorship body great, but

1217
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: also an anti union body bad. So it's like it's

1218
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 2: so complicated. But like the reason Louis B. Mayor and

1219
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: all these people started the studio had started the oscars

1220
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 2: was because it was like a way to like literally

1221
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 2: create this validation system that is meant to make people

1222
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: feel good or bad and so.

1223
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: And in that way you also create an industry.

1224
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 2: Totally, and that's what's happened, and that's what has happened

1225
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 2: in other industries outside of film, and wow, crazy like

1226
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: so fascinating. And then that ties into all this like

1227
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: therapy stuff that I'm talking about where I'm like I

1228
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: was really like meditating on it and like really like

1229
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 2: working outside of any model like feeling validated by it

1230
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 2: because I was like I think, like I'm really proud

1231
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: of my work. That's all that matters. No one else

1232
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: can define that for me. I am so not even

1233
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 2: like above it because I'm certainly not but I was

1234
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: just like I was so removed from it that I

1235
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: was like, I can put it over there and if

1236
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 2: it and if the nice thing happens, great, If it doesn't,

1237
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 2: no problem, Like I'm totally your perspective.

1238
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: It was developed and.

1239
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: Good exactly, especially after for the thirty year in a

1240
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 2: row producing and hosting an award show, a fake awards

1241
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: show that has this thin gauzy layer between taking itself

1242
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 2: just seriously enough and not seriously at all, and also.

1243
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: Exists to satirize that concept.

1244
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 2: Yes, well yeah, and then and then like thinking about

1245
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 2: like the Emmys or the real thing it's like, or

1246
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 2: any real awards system, it's like that that that thin

1247
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: layer is just moved to a different place. It's just

1248
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 2: a different balance of seriously and not seriously. So I

1249
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 2: say all this, and my therapist just goes, well, Bowen,

1250
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: it's entertainment, like you like you doing your award show

1251
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: is entertainment. It's kind of the same idea like everywhere

1252
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 2: like it is it is to entertain people. It's a show.

1253
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: And I'm like totally and that and that like was

1254
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 2: kind of liberating where I was like, oh, I'm part

1255
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:01,480
Speaker 2: of a show.

1256
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: You're part of a show, and also just to actually,

1257
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, for a second, I'm part of that. It

1258
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: deserves you're shot of the show, I mean, And yes,

1259
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about, the same thing. You're part

1260
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: of the show because the industry that you're in and

1261
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: your peers respect you so much and think, if we're

1262
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: going to represent who we are, he should be there.

1263
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: And I it's interesting to hear you talk about it

1264
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: because I feel similarly. In fact, I did just say

1265
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: the other day what's crazy about the business is especially

1266
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: for a comedians coming in, you know, I would be

1267
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: really interested to talk to some of our comedian friends

1268
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,759
Speaker 1: who ended up being in that arena. It's so wild

1269
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,440
Speaker 1: because when you're coming up, the thing that makes you successful,

1270
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: I think, and the thing that's the north star and

1271
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: the thing that you all share is you don't take

1272
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: yourself that seriously and then you're able to really show

1273
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: who your authentic self is and you're able to really

1274
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: tap into what makes you special because you know what,

1275
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: you actually climb the cringe mountain in that moment and

1276
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: got rid of your checkpoints in order to let yourself

1277
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 1: be who you are and then yes, maybe be viable

1278
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: in the business that you work in, and then when

1279
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: you are, you look around and people take themselves.

1280
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: So so.

1281
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: Seriously to the point where you're like, wait, there wasn't

1282
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: just one way into this, and a lot of people

1283
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: have been validated in a different way, and so they're

1284
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: gonna approach this in a different way. So when I

1285
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: hear real stories about people campaigning for awards who drive

1286
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: themselves nuts and make themselves so unhappy, I just think,

1287
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: what a shame that they don't have perspective on this thing.

1288
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: But also at the same token, you want it. I mean,

1289
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Speaker 1: Amy Poehler has an amazing take on this in her book.

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Speaker 1: Ye It's like she talks about like you know, she

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01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: Amy Poehler really doesn't win a lot of awards. She's

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Speaker 1: nominated a lot, but I feel like the Emmys have

1293
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: not come as freely to her as they have come

1294
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: to like a lot of her peers. For example, I

1295
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: saw this stat the other day that Maya like wins

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01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: Emmys like he left and right, and now she's nominated

1297
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: again a bunch, And we all know Tina has a

1298
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: ton of Emmies. Amy won like a golden globe. And

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Speaker 1: then outside of that, there hasn't been much, and she

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01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 1: was talking about it like it's like you're almost resentful

1301
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: of it, like it's exciting because it's basically like telling

1302
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: a kid like there might there's gonna be cookies and

1303
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: some of you are gonna get to eat the cookies,

1304
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: but only if you're good, and it's like wow, beforehand,

1305
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: I didn't even.

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01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: I didn't want the cookie. I didn't I didn't want

1307
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 2: the cookie.

1308
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: I didn't care. I was like just playing in the

1309
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: yard with my friends. Now there's cookies inside and only

1310
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: a couple of us are going to get it, and

1311
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: it's merit based kind of yeah, you know what I mean.

1312
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's a weird thing. And then the original

1313
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: taking that seriously is like is like unfortunate. But also

1314
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: you want the fucking cookie because the cookie is gonna

1315
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: taste good and this cookie, if you eat it, you

1316
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: like get hotter. It's like there's some incentive because of

1317
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: the way the industry is gonna feel about you once

1318
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: you've in particular cookie. It's loaded. It's weird.

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01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's loaded. It's weird. And like there's even a

1320
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 2: lot of healthy conversation now about like I'll just say,

1321
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,839
Speaker 2: for the way that like SNL fits in a category

1322
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: like the comedies, where right, it's one thing that SNL

1323
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 2: like is not evaluated, should not be evaluated frankly on

1324
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 2: the same level as like these like narrative script in

1325
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 2: narrative comedies. And yeah, and again that's not to.

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01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: Say that's not to say that you're not grateful for sure,

1327
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: and that you don't deserve it. It's just the way

1328
01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: they characterize it and categorize it rather is bizarre characterizing category.

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: Yes yes, yes yes. And it's also this other thing

1330
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 2: of like there's this whole existential thing that's happening with

1331
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 2: like the comedy categories and the like as well. It's

1332
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 2: like there's two different things and so like it's a

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01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 2: really like it's really refracted for me, and I'm kind

1334
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 2: of like, okay, I'm just like happy to be yeah

1335
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 2: along for the ride, even because none of this makes

1336
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: any sense. Yeah, like everyone in my cast should also

1337
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: be nominated. Frankly, Like I do have this weirdness around

1338
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 2: like knowing for a fact that like I represent one

1339
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: very specific way that SNL is represented and it only

1340
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: works if it has this multitude of all those ways.

1341
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: And like everyone who works there and I mean this,

1342
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 2: and I've always thought this. I mean this from the

1343
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 2: bottom of my heart. I feel like everyone who works

1344
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 2: at SNL is really really just trying to like put

1345
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: on a good show at the end of the day,

1346
01:13:58,800 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 2: and that's it.

1347
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1348
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm getting so stone and I'm like, I'm like, no,

1349
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 2: I think, but I think.

1350
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: I think it's very like real and I hadn't thought

1351
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: about it like that, you know what I mean. It's like,

1352
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: there are so many pieces that come together to deliver that,

1353
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: especially at that show, and there really should be. I

1354
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: think if you're gonna have a variety sketch category and

1355
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: a variety writing category, it only makes sense to have

1356
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:29,440
Speaker 1: a variety performance category, like because to compare your performance

1357
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: and like Eben moss Backrax performance is odd. You wouldn't

1358
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: do that unless it was a show that you were

1359
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 1: making up to give out trophies, you know what I mean.

1360
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: And so if we're gonna do that, then like at

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01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: least put like a category there that could actually honor

1362
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: more talent. Yeah, because so many, so many people on

1363
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: that show deserve that honor. But the characterization of what

1364
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: constitutes a supporting performance in that comedy is just like

1365
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: not neces necessarily one to one inclusive of whatever one does.

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01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 2: And also variety performance does not. I don't think it

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01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 2: necessitates any sort of like lead supporting, like oh thing

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01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 2: at all. It can just be its own categories. If

1369
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 2: you if we don't move out of this gender binary categorization,

1370
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: then like it should just be two categories, you know

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01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like, then just do the male

1372
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 2: and female like whatever that is, so it's just two more.

1373
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: I don't know anyway that this is like these are

1374
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 2: like late thoughts that Matt and I have.

1375
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 1: There should be an individual performance category for not only

1376
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,759
Speaker 1: just for SNL, for like late night hosts, for Cynthia

1377
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: Arrival performing on the Kennedy Center Honors, yea for Cynthia

1378
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: Orrivo is singing Alfie, she should be nominated for an Emmy,

1379
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: Like it's silly that it's television. Yeah, And they used

1380
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: to have this category and they used to give these

1381
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: out and so why wouldn't you, Why wouldn't you mm hmm.

1382
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: But anyway, and I do think that you would have

1383
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: an Emmy by now if there was that category, but

1384
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: regards and I think you obviously would have won this

1385
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: year because you're the only one nominated, So just saying like,

1386
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: there's a way to better quantify these things that then

1387
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: you could have more talent represented across the board, and

1388
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: then the show gets more fun. I think exactly exactly. Anyway,

1389
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: this is now we're doing. I don't think so honey. No,

1390
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: not things honey, And I've decided I don't want to

1391
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: do the one I was gonna do. I was gonna say,

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01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, Joe Mansion, do not fucking run,

1393
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: you clown. That's all I want to say. And I'm

1394
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,839
Speaker 1: just gonna do a more fun I don't think so honey, because.

1395
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 2: OK, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey.

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01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 2: As time starts now, I.

1397
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: Don't think so honey myself on last week's episode because

1398
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 1: I did not talk enough about how much fun we

1399
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: had on our vacation. We had so much fun in

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01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: our vacation, and I feel like I talked mostly about

1401
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: the bags because they were missing at that moment and

1402
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: it was frustrating.

1403
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 2: And it was moments before we were on the mic

1404
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 2: you got that call, oh that.

1405
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,839
Speaker 1: And it was moments before I would like to retract

1406
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: my energy and like to contribute this energy. We stayed

1407
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: at the most beautiful resort in Sicily, and we both

1408
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: worked hard to be able to be there, and I'm

1409
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: happy that we were able to get out of our

1410
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: own way and really enjoy that and look at the

1411
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: fuck where we were. The last night, I looked out

1412
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: at the water at the sea, and I was just like,

1413
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 1: my god, this is stunning. And I inspired myself. I

1414
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: was like, I want to go more places. I want

1415
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: to put myself out there more in terms of travel.

1416
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: It was a shift that really moved me forward in

1417
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 1: that regard. I loved swimming in that sea. I just

1418
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved all the food, I loved the people,

1419
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: and I just had the best time and seconds and like, yes,

1420
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: Amstdam was incredible, I've been there before. Taylor was amazing.

1421
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to like shine a light on

1422
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 1: the trip and how much fun I had with my

1423
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: friends and I love everyone that I was with and

1424
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:43,879
Speaker 1: I just don't think so, honey, to any thought, that's.

1425
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 2: Not that, that's one minute. Well, I am so happy

1426
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 2: to hear that. And for me, like you and travel, Yeah,

1427
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 2: it didn't occur to me before, Like I always feel

1428
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: like you are such a you have such a worldly mind,

1429
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 2: and yet you I feel like you are entering this

1430
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: era now where you're like you want to see the world.

1431
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 2: Do you want to like participate in that activity of

1432
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 2: like traveling?

1433
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: You know, you guys, there was a minute where it

1434
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: looked like maybe we were going to get to go

1435
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: to Paris for the Olympics, and then that didn't work out,

1436
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: But I was excited about it. I just I want

1437
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: to go to lots of places. I think, you know

1438
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: what happened, Like last year, I went to Sydney and

1439
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: I loved it so much, and I was like, I

1440
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 1: had been to London a few times that year. I

1441
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: was like, I need to travel internationally more because I've

1442
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 1: just seen what happens when it feels like that moment

1443
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 1: passes people by, Like I'm from a very blue collar

1444
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: Long Island family where we only ever really vacationed in Florida.

1445
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I was going to California was huge when

1446
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: I was twenty two, Like, oh, you only ever went

1447
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: to Florida. And I just feel like, you know, that's

1448
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: not a given with people.

1449
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 2: I think that's a.

1450
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: Thing is It's like, you know, I used to feel

1451
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: like I was climbing Cringe Mountain, you know, saying like

1452
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 1: making the jewel, like hah, I've only ever been to Epcot.

1453
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 1: I could only go to Epcot like my parents Thatcot,

1454
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So now it's like I

1455
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: don't know, like I'm connecting with therapid bitch and me

1456
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: and wanted to do more things. And it's it was

1457
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: just when I heard myself back on the episode, when

1458
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: I listened to it for edits, I felt I was

1459
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: like sick to my stomach the whole time. I was like, God,

1460
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: I hate myself. You would because that was not my experience.

1461
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 2: I loved it, but that was you being so fresh

1462
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 2: from like bad news, from like sitting in this like

1463
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 2: horrible feeling, which was not having your possessions, and like

1464
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 2: it's not that you're like a materialistic person, it's just

1465
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 2: that like our belongings like have this emotional hold on us.

1466
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there were other personal things going on that

1467
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: hadn't been sorted and everything's amazing now, but like you know,

1468
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: it's just that was not a good day. And I

1469
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: didn't want that to be the final word on that

1470
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: trip because I had an unbelievable time.

1471
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Speaker 2: Yes, do you have.

1472
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:54,799
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.

1473
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 2: I do. I do.

1474
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 1: I love I love this energy before are you start one?

1475
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 1: I know it makes me very like achieves me. It

1476
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: makes my nipples hard. This is Bowen Yang's I don't

1477
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: think so, honey. His legendary time starts now. I don't

1478
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: think so, honey.

1479
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 2: What's this gay guy thing where like, you know for

1480
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 2: a fact you've talked to this person on the internet

1481
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 2: in some capacity, whether it's a dating app or it's

1482
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 2: an Instagram DM or something. It's like and you see

1483
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 2: them mountain the wild and all they can do is

1484
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 2: just like furtively glance at you and like, what like

1485
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 2: this is an endemic thing with all gay men. It's like,

1486
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 2: can we just like can we just like not make

1487
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 2: it weird? If you know someone, you know someone and

1488
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 2: go up to them and like say hello, seconds like

1489
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 2: we're there's just this like I don't know, maybe we're

1490
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 2: just shy and we're we're we're like prone to hedging

1491
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 2: when it comes to these social situations. But it's like,

1492
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 2: I think we can just fifteen not do the thing

1493
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 2: if pretending like you know, you've never engaged on the

1494
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 2: internet before. This thing happens. I mean, this maybe is

1495
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: particularly New York City, but this just happened to me

1496
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 2: last night at Public Records, Carrie Nation was playing. They

1497
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 2: were wonderful, but I was just like there was just

1498
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: that moment happening with a bunch of times I'm like, oh, no,

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Speaker 2: we know each other and you can just say.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Yeah that's a minute.

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Speaker 2: But wait, like how bizarre? How bizarre? Like you and

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01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 2: I have interacted, and like we both know that we've interacted,

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01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 2: and so where's this coming from?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah. And also a little bit of

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01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 1: the messaging there is I was talking to you online

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01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 1: and now I saw you in person and you're not

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01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: all that, so I don't want to talk to you, right,

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01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of the messaging, and I think

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Speaker 1: a little.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: Maybe what it is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe?

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01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. It's totally a thing on like my own

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01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: self worth, where I'm like, well, I guess I'm not

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Speaker 1: interesting enough to be talked to, you know, Like it's

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Speaker 1: it's yeah, like like that, it's that. It's just like

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01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: it's the way it makes you feel about yourself, and

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Speaker 1: that's extra self conscious and it was already hard to

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Speaker 1: fucking come here, I know, anyway, blast but yeah no,

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Speaker 1: And because ultimately you do climb Cringe Mountain, it's start

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01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 1: to slow roll down the hill. But that's literally a

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01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: climbing Cringe Mountain moment where you're like, oh God, and

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01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: this now we're slow rolling down the hill because we've

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Speaker 1: crested it. I just saw Inside Out too, and I

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01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: thought it was so good and Maya Hawk's characterization of

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01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: anxiety was amazing. I loved that fucking movie and I

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01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: was dragging my feet to see it and then I

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01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 1: saw it and it was pure delight.

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Speaker 2: Love that.

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Speaker 1: Ugh.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's all reparenting. And this has been an episode

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Speaker 2: of Lost Culturistas that has been all about this reparenting society,

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01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 2: reparenting ourselves.

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Speaker 1: It's all about that, and the way you do that

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Speaker 1: is through community. And speaking of community, And when'sday U,

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Speaker 1: MEI and study, you are going to have dinner, and

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Speaker 1: I know we're gonna have dinner, But do you want

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01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: to see Twisters?

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01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 2: Yes?

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01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: We should do that. Yeah, we should see Twisters, guys.

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01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: And next week Twisters it's gonna be covered and maybe

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Speaker 1: it'll even be a summer of cunt, although I will

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01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: say it's gonna be hard with the schedules because maybe

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01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 1: we can figure it out. Maybe maybe, but it might

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01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: be an autumn of cunt.

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Speaker 2: Just trust and believe that it's coming, because it has

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01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 2: never been more cunt than this summer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's actually a very it's in terms of

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01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: Matt and Bow and Sudi, it's been a very cunty. Yeah,

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01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: couple weeks especially, and it's feeling good. The thing about

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Speaker 1: Sudie Green is she's currently writing for the show Loot

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01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: and is going to be on set working on Loot,

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01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 1: and also maya may be busy with a character that

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01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: Sudi had helped her with in the past, so it

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01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: might be a very suity twenty twenty four. It's gonna

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01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: be a Sudi Q three Q four. It's a Sudi phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: A what aenomenon.

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01:23:58,160 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 2: We love you so much to be in every episode

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01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 2: with the song.

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01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: He like you better vote for Kama La.

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01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 2: It's a Kamala enomenon.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, Anyways, your feelings don't matter.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye. Last Cultureasis is the production by Will Ferrell's

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Speaker 2: Big Money Players and I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

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01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: Executive produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Soni.

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01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 2: Produced by Becka Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Baby, Manila

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Speaker 2: Board and our music

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Speaker 1: Is by Henry Komirski