1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, and welcome to normally the show with normalist 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird in its selection 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: year so it always feels weird. I am Mary Katherine 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: Ham and. 5 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: I'm Carol Markuitz. 6 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Well, what do we have going on today? I do 7 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: want to note before we start that it is, of 8 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: course the anniversary week of October seventh, twenty twenty three, 9 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: and I want to commend Carol and I if you're 10 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: watching our video clips, both have our is really themed 11 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: shirts on yours just better an iron Dome T shirt. 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: But I just wanted to commend to you guys from 13 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: Carol's substack some writing about people's reaction to October seventh 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: over the past year and people who have been disappointing, 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: And by the way, thank you for the shout out. 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: I do feel so well deserved. 17 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: I mean you have been incredible. I feel so grateful 18 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,319 Speaker 2: for you. I just I love the people that I'm 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: surrounded with, and I have never felt better about those 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: people than in the last year. 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's been strange because I think 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: it was the easiest moral test to pass, which then 23 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: makes me more disturbed that many did not. And I 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: think that's what a lot of people dealt with post 25 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: October seventh, and Carol and I traveled to Israel together, 26 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: and it's just so hard to even comprehend what happened 27 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: that day to this day and will be forever probably, 28 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: But I wanted to note that so you guys can read. 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: Carol's thank you Mane before we. 30 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: Get to the nitty gritty of the politics news, which 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: actually Kamala Harris Vice President. Kamala Harris has changed her 32 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: tack when it comes to dealing with media. She is 33 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: doing a big media blitz by her standards this week, 34 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: sixty minutes a podcast call Her Daddy, a very popular 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: podcast with young women. She's doing the View, she's doing Colbert, 36 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: she's doing Howard Stern. So this is like about as 37 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: much as it gets for Kamala Harris. And let's just 38 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: start with the most serious one, which is a sixty 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: minutes interview in which she gives this answer about policy 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: toward Israel Prime Minister Netanya, who is not listening. 41 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: Well, Bill. 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: The work that we have done has resulted in a 43 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: number of movements in that region by Israel that were 44 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: very much prompted by or a result of many things, 45 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region. 46 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: I would say that's the only serious one that she's doing. 47 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: And it's interesting, you know, there's always this idea that 48 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: you can separate a leader that you don't like from 49 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: a country that you say that you are an ally with. 50 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: But I think that people need to understand that there's 51 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: not a single Israeli leader who would be doing anything 52 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: differently today than Benjaminette Now who's doing it. There are 53 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: leaders who would be probably more brutal. There are leaders 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: who would probably be doing more, for example, Now, who's 55 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: often criticized in Israel from the right for evacuating the 56 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: North because how could you give up anything, How could 57 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: you let, you know, show any fear, how could you 58 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 2: let any wins happen? So I think people need to 59 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: get that. And it's a parsing that Kamala Harris has 60 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: to do in order to have Michigan in play, and 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: it's really kind of gross. 62 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: What I'm struck by is well, a couple things in 63 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: this answer one and we'll play another one that reflects 64 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: this as well, but the fact that she often doesn't 65 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: seem to really even clock the questions she's asked. It's 66 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: very clear, and look, a lot of politicians do this. 67 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: There's just a deck in her head and she's going 68 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: to the deck. But hers is much more rigid than 69 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: most people. 70 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: Shallow. 71 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that too, and Israel in particular, she and Walls, 72 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: and often the Biden administration seem not in touch with 73 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: actual reality on the ground, for instance, when they always 74 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: bring up a two state solution. I know when you 75 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: and I were there, Carol, were standing in Cafarazzo, which 76 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: was hit very hard in the burnt ruins of much 77 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: of this community. We're standing with a man who has 78 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: moved back in very shortly after October seventh, is perhaps 79 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 1: among the demographic most committed to peace, absolutely gods and neighbors, 80 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: because that's why the community was there, right, And he's 81 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: telling us this is two generations away at best, even considering. 82 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, they killed all the peacenicks like that. That's what 83 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: I think people need to get the kids dancing at 84 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: these festivals, those of people most likely to want peace 85 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: with a potential Palestinian state. You know, hersh Goldberg, he 86 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: had a sign in his bedroom that Jerusalem is for all, 87 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 2: and they killed this mayor who was activist and a 88 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: big time peace activist in these kibbutz's murdered him. I mean, 89 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: they literally killed the only demographic, not the only, but 90 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: the demographic who mostly would have supported this and so. 91 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: And the thing is that the Palestinians have not wanted 92 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: a state. They have been really, really open and blunt 93 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: about this, even you know every day Palestinians that you 94 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 2: hear from the goal is the destruction of Israel. And 95 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: if I think if the pro Palestinians in the West 96 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: cared about those Palestinians, they would say, that's never going 97 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: to happen. How do we move forward from this with 98 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: you accepting that Israel exists? 99 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: Right? 100 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: Well? 101 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: That yes, that would actually deal with reality on the ground, right, 102 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: which is what I wish the Vice President could communicate 103 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: that she understands a little bit better. 104 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: But I do. 105 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: I feel like if they're stuck in this sort of 106 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: Georgetown symposium about the two state solutions from like fifteen 107 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: years ago, right, and that's not what's actually happening. 108 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: I'll just add one more thing that if anybody recalls 109 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: AOC when she first became a congresswoman, gave an interview 110 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: where She also had a very shallow understanding of anything, 111 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 2: and she ended up giggling and saying I'm not a 112 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: midd East expert, which, yeah, we know. But one of 113 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 2: the things that she got in trouble for is that 114 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: she said she was for the two state solution. Because 115 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: that used to be the liberal point of view. That 116 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: is no longer acceptable on the American left. Forget about Palestinians, 117 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: forget about Hamas, forget about like, you know, the real 118 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: crazies in that region we're talking. American congresswoman had to 119 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: basically walk back her support of the two state solution. 120 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is pushing this idea with nobody to accept it. 121 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I want to play another clip from Kamala's 122 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: sixty minutes. As you say, the only serious interview. Look, 123 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: people are welcome to do friendly interview. Hers is a 124 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: ratio problem, right, She's going on with the view Colbert 125 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: Howard Stern, I think, all of which have literally endorsed 126 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: her love. Yeah, I believe. So that's not exactly tough. Fine, 127 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: but her ratio is very low of doing tough interviews 128 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: to not tough because she doesn't do interviews. So let's 129 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: play the sixty minutes question where she's asked about how 130 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: her economic plan actually could come to be. 131 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: My plan is about saying that when you invest in 132 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: small businesses, you invest in the middle class, and you 133 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: strengthen America's economy. Small businesses are part of the backbone 134 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: of America's economy. 135 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: But pardon me that, Advice President. The question was, how 136 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: are you going to pay for it? 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that I'm going to make 138 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: sure that the richest among us who can afford it, 139 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: pay their fair share in taxes. It is not right 140 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: that teachers and nurses and firefighters are paying a higher 141 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: tax rate than billionaires and the biggest corporations. And I 142 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: plan on making that fair. 143 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: But we're dealing with the real world here. 144 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: But the real world includes how are you going to 145 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: get this through Congress? You know, when you talk quietly 146 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: with a lot of folks in Congress, they know exactly 147 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: what I'm talking about because their constituents know exactly what 148 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: I'm talking about. Their constituents are those firefighters and teachers 149 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: and nurses. 150 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: It's funny that she gets this pushback, right, It's like 151 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: she wasn't even prepared for this. How do you pay 152 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: for it, How do you pass it through Congress? This 153 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: is like the basics. She just always seems like the 154 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: kid who is really smart and doesn't do their homework 155 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 2: and things. They could talk their way out of it, 156 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: but she can't talk her way out of it. So 157 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: maybe the kid isn't as smart as they think they are. 158 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not surprised by her answers at this point. Frankly, 159 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: I have trouble watching them, just as a I have 160 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: a physiological embarrassment that happens when we watch these clips. 161 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: But yes, she's again. I appreciate the follow up. The 162 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: follow up is what always sort of nails her because 163 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: she has not thought past the deck in her head. 164 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: And if we can indulge us for one last clip, 165 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: can we play the thirty two days clip from her 166 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: stump speech where the teleprompter went off. Apparently it fails, 167 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: and this is what we get. 168 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 4: Remember his number thirty two today, we got thirty two 169 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 4: days until the election, So thirty two days, thirty two days, Okay, 170 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 4: we got some business to do. 171 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 5: We got some business to do, all right, thirty two days, 172 00:09:52,280 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 5: and we know we will do it. And this is 173 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 5: gonna be a very tight race. Until the very end. 174 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 5: This is gonna be a very tight race until the 175 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 5: very end. 176 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 4: We are the underdog and we know we have some 177 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 4: hard work ahead. 178 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: Oh that's so awkward. I find that's so difficult to watch. 179 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: I'm so I can't do awkward. And that was tough. 180 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: It's really tough. It's like an endurance event. 181 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: Plus, it's a stump speech. It's not like a great 182 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: policy speech that she's only given one time. It's a 183 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: stump speech. She should be able to like wing at 184 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: least some of it. Look, I'm a when I give 185 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 2: a speech, I have notes, I'm not a. My memory 186 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: just isn't what it used to be, and there's no 187 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: way I could just wing it. I get it, but 188 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: not have anything to say other than repeating thirty two days' 189 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: super awkward. 190 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I understand that I probably put too 191 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: much emphasis on public speaking, as that is my thing 192 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: that I do, and I am decent at extipporatius speaking. Okay, 193 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: so that's stipulated. I find her remarkable because she's been 194 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: practicing for like decades. And this is where we are 195 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: real quick. Why do you think they're changing strategies? What 196 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: are they seeing that's making them switch. Tim Walls was 197 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: on Fox News this weekend. 198 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was interesting. I was actually impressed that they 199 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: were at least doing one interview with Fox because all 200 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: these other interviews are so softball. I actually want to say, well, 201 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second, but I do 202 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: think that they're switching because they think Kamala should be 203 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: running away with this and she's very much not. I 204 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: think if the election is held tomorrow, donald Trump wins, 205 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: and I think that they know that. Yeah, they're tied 206 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 2: in all these states, but they count on Donald Trump 207 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: voters not being open about it to pollsters. He's going 208 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: to pull you know, one percent two percent above where 209 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: he's polling in these states, and that's a Donald Trump win. 210 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: So they're trying to reverse momentum. I would say also 211 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: that I think they call her daddy interview. She's getting 212 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 2: a lot of flak from the Republicans on it could 213 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: have been really good for her, but she didn't do 214 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: it right. And here's the thing. I have never watched 215 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: call her daddy the whole thing, but I come across 216 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: the clips of Alex Cooper and having these conversations, and 217 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: she's always like in a hoodie, which she was yesterday, 218 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 2: but a hoodie with heels, and she got her legs crossed, 219 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 2: and it's kind of like just like two girls hitty up. Yeah, 220 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: she could have leaned into that and had a real 221 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: conversation where Americans got to see her. Instead, they got 222 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: mired down in the abortion question again, and they had 223 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: to lie about where Donald Trump is on abortion because 224 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: he's actually barely moderate to the you know, the dismay 225 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: of people on the right who don't like that, and 226 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: I get it, but she didn't play it correctly. Had 227 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: she kind of gone in there and done a call 228 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: her Daddy interview where she was more casual, I think 229 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: that really could have done something for her. But she's 230 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: so buttoned up and so afraid to let loose that 231 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: they just couldn't get her to do it. 232 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: I think that cuts to the problem she's running into. 233 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: Is that again and again, no matter how much they 234 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: put her out there, even in a situation like that, 235 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: what you find out is that she can't have a conversation, right. 236 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: That's what we find out every single time, even a 237 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: chatty girl talk conversation, and that's something that makes voters uncomfortable. 238 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And it reminded me that Donald Trump 239 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: went on THEO vonn and had kind of a long ranging, 240 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: wide ranging conversation about all kinds of things that could 241 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: have been it for her with women, and she didn't 242 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: take that opportunity to do that. So, yeah, Kamala Harris 243 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: not that great of the talking. 244 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: Or the governing. But you know, we'll see about. 245 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: The vote thing at a time, Mary Catherine. 246 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that leads. 247 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: Us into the fact that Democrats have decided that the 248 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: First Amendment is a problem. Maybe this is what their 249 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: plan is to get Kamala Harris to stop with all 250 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 2: the talk talking. Let's play the first clip John Kerry 251 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: on the First Amendment. 252 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 6: And I think the dislike of and anguish over social 253 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 6: media is just growing and growing and growing, and it's 254 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 6: part of our problem, particularly in democracies, in terms of 255 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 6: building consensus around any issue. It's really hard to govern today. 256 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 6: You can't you know, you know, there's no the referees 257 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 6: we used to have to determine what's the fact and 258 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 6: what is in the fact that kind of been eviscerated 259 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 6: to a certain degree, and people go and that people 260 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 6: self select where they go for their news. Or for 261 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 6: their information, and then you just get into a vicious cycle. 262 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 6: So it's really really hard, much harder to build consensus 263 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 6: today than at any time in the forty five fifty 264 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 6: years I've been involved in this. And you know, there's 265 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 6: a lot of discussion now about how you curb those 266 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 6: entities in order to guarantee that you're going to have, 267 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 6: you know, some accountability in facts, et cetera. But look, 268 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 6: if people go to only one source and the source 269 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 6: they go to is sick and you know, as an 270 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 6: agenda and they're putting out disinformation, our First Amendment stands 271 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 6: as a major block to the ability to be able 272 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 6: to just you know, hammer it out of existence. So 273 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 6: what you need, what we need is to is to 274 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 6: win the ground, win the right to govern by hopefully 275 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 6: having you know, winning enough votes that you're free to 276 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 6: be able to implement change. Obviously, there are some people 277 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 6: in our country who are prepared to implement change in 278 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 6: other ways, and that's where we're really Democracy can survive 279 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 6: on writing, I think democracies are very challenged right now 280 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 6: and have not proven they can move fast enough or 281 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 6: big enough to deal with the challenges that we are facing. 282 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 6: And to me, that is part of what this race, 283 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 6: this election is all about. Will we break the fever 284 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 6: in the United States? 285 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: So the First Amendment is a problem in democracy, is 286 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: Mary Catherine? What do we think of that? 287 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: I mean, three cheers for the First Amendment. He's at 288 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: some international confab as usual, where you know, all the 289 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: other those confabs, I know, all the other cool countries 290 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: get to arrest people when they tweet mean things, but 291 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: not in this country. And unfortunately, many of our liberal 292 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: elites find this to be a problem. I find that 293 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: to be disturbing, and it's disturbing that not that many 294 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: people find it disturbing these days. Yeah, people are very 295 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: comfortable with this kind of rhetoric about the First Amendment 296 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: because to them, they just go, well, just a bad 297 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: info will be gone, right, That's not how it works. 298 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: Friends, that we said this during the last episode, you know, 299 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: the whole screaming fire in a theater, your your pet peeve. 300 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: But Tim Walls was trying to say during the debate 301 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 2: that hate speech does not qualify on your First Amendment. 302 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: He was kind of drowned out, but he kept saying, 303 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: not hate speech, not hate speech. Yeah, hate speech. Hate 304 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: speech is also covered under the First Amendment. We used 305 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: to understand that, and now it seems that the Democrats 306 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: are trying to will into existence the fact that you 307 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: can't say whatever you want and we don't have that 308 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 2: right here, and it's really a problem. Yeah. 309 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: Well, I think we have another clip of none other 310 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: than Hillary Clinton. I believe she's speaking to Michael Smercanish 311 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: on CNN, and she has this to say about social 312 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: media and if. 313 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 7: The platforms, whether it's Facebook or Twitter, X or Instagram 314 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 7: or TikTok, whatever they are, if they don't moderate and 315 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 7: monitor the content, we lose total control. And it's not 316 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 7: just the social and psychological effects, it's real harm. 317 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: They lose control, We lose control, Carol. 318 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: It does seem like they are afraid of losing control. 319 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: And I'm glad that she said that out loud, because 320 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: that's what we say to each other. They're afraid of 321 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: losing control, and here she comes to say, yeah, yeah, 322 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 2: we're afraid of losing control. I would also say that 323 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: this relates to the fact that Elon Musk gets such 324 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 2: attack from the left for being a Trump supporter. They're saying, well, 325 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: how could he have X be an impartial platform while 326 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: supporting one of the candidates. All of the people who 327 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: have ever worked for X owned X supported one of 328 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: the candidates. They just maybe weren't quite as open as 329 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 2: he is about it. I think that's another thing that 330 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: Democrats kind of don't understand is that we all have opinions. 331 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: We know you have opinions. The whole thing is that 332 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: you're lying about the fact that you don't have. 333 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: An opinion well, and that the more you favor people 334 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: with the opinions you don't agree with having free reign, 335 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: the better we were able to actually get to the 336 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: bottom of things. That's what. The other thing that I 337 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: actually like how the Trump campaign has started framing this 338 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: as a threat to democracy to sort of echo, Okay, 339 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: you say that we're a threat, we say that you're 340 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: a threat in this way, which I actually a lot 341 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: of double hater voters are probably evaluating their vote this way, 342 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: like which of you guys is a bigger threst. So 343 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: Trump fans is saying, Okay, let's talk about the freedom 344 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: of speech issue. You guys clearly don't understand it to 345 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: the point of probably disliking the First Amendment and wanting 346 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: to change it. The Biden administration had a disinformation board. 347 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: The Biden administration has actively censored American citizens during COVID 348 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: so that we could not get real answers to real questions. 349 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: And those things do add up. Oh, they also censored, 350 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: like the entire media for the Hunter Biden story, right, 351 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: which the media doesn't even care about. Yeah, because they 352 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: were happy to do it. So those things are a threat. 353 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: And to hear really powerful people talk about how they 354 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: can't control Elon Musk makes me go, yeh, go Elon Musk. 355 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, I mean, look, call me back. When 356 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 2: Elon Musk doesn't let you send a link to an 357 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: article that he doesn't like, which was the case before 358 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: Elon Musk took over. You not only couldn't access the 359 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: New York Post Twitter account at the time, you also 360 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 2: couldn't text or DM that link to your friend. You 361 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: couldn't share it at all. I'm sorry that was such 362 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: an overstep that, like anything that they say now about 363 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: Elon Musk, Yeah, he supports Donald Trump. And believe me 364 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 2: that the other CEOs you know, of all the other 365 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: media companies have supported who they've supported, almost always Democrats, 366 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 2: and they have acted accordingly. And he isn't so I'm 367 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: grateful for that. 368 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, do you think some sort of 369 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: stigma is falling a bit because the actor Zachary Levi 370 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: came out as a Trump supporter last okay, he was 371 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: the star of Chuck, which was like a sort of 372 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: spy guy comic book type sitcom, and then he actually 373 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: went into the Marble universe as one of the lesser characters. 374 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: But Shazam in the Marvel universe, he came out as 375 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: a Trump supporter. And then I saw a picture of 376 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: Dana Kapatrick with a woman for Trump jacket on. 377 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: Wow. 378 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: I didn't know Danna Kakpatrick was a Trump supporter, but 379 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: she was with Sage Steele wearing this jacket, and I thought, 380 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: between Elon and those two, it does feel a bit 381 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: like the stigma has at least shifted down a notch. 382 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: Maybe it was the too attempted assassination. 383 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: Oh who remembers that well, So I would take it 384 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: back to the Alex Cooper call her Daddy. In her 385 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 2: intro of why she was interviewing Kamala Harris, she was 386 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: visibly nervous. She was like, I don't know, I was 387 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 2: kind of not sure if I should do this, and 388 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: ultimately I don't think that it was a bad thing 389 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 2: for her personally to do that interview. Again, I don't 390 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: think that it was It went the way that it 391 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: should have went. But I think that Alex Cooper understands 392 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 2: that not every woman who listens to her is a Democrat, 393 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: and not every woman is voting for Kamala Harris. You know, 394 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: they always say, like, oh, Donald Trump's doing so bad 395 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,239 Speaker 2: with women, but you know, it's like he's in the 396 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 2: forties with women. He's not like from the twenties. It's 397 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 2: really not that far apart. He's like a few points 398 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: behind Kamala Harris with women. That means that women are 399 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: listening to call her daddy and they'll be going and 400 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: voting for Trump. So she understood that she was alienating 401 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: some part of her fan base, and I think it. 402 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: Showed by the way. Kudos to her for even acknowledging 403 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: that her transparency will help earn her trust with her audience. 404 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: And I believe there was some talk of her maybe 405 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: reaching out to Trump as well, but I think she did. Yeah, 406 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: You're right that like call her daddy and THEO Vaughn 407 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: are basically analogous in reaching young women and young men. 408 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely and call her Daddy got her start, of course 409 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: with Barstool, and I think that the fact, you know, 410 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: we've talked about it on here also, but Dave Portnoy's 411 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: endorsement I think of Trump is also kind of a 412 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: big deal because he appeals to this young man audience 413 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: that Trump really does need to win. 414 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: All right, speaking of stigma falling and all the stress 415 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: of election season, can we talk a little bit about 416 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: this Yahoo story? Yeah, because we mean to heal Carol, 417 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: only do what you and I are all about in 418 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: this headlines is twenty eight percent of Americans say it's 419 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: stressful to spend time with friends or family with different 420 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: political views. This is a Yahoo News you Go poll. 421 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: You know both and I both you and I come 422 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: from liberal towns, right. I think it sort of made 423 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: me who I am? 424 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: Sure? 425 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I needed. 426 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: My arguments are so much better than their arguments because 427 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: they only ever get to argue with me, and I 428 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 2: get to argue with. 429 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: Lots of people, so many people. So what's your take 430 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: on spending time, especially during a pitched election season, with 431 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: those who disagree with you. 432 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think I lost all the people 433 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: that I was going to lose during the Bush administration. 434 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 2: Now I'm just like, if you're still here, we're cool 435 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: and we could get along even though even if we disagree. Yeah, 436 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: you know I always hear this. You know, how to 437 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: argue with your uncle on Thanksgiving? Like, please, don't argue 438 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: with your uncle and Thanksgiving like argue whether marshmallows should 439 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 2: go on the sweet potatoes. Don't argue politics with your 440 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: family and Thanksgiving. You're really only get the one family. 441 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: You should maybe try to preserve it and not have 442 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 2: ridiculous debates over the table. I get why it's stressful 443 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: for people. I get that people need to stick their 444 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: opinion places, but it would just really disappoint me if 445 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: my kids grew up and argued with their aunts and uncles. 446 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: I mean, we all happen to be kind of roughly 447 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: on the same political side, but should they be on 448 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: different sides if they are loved and cherished by their 449 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: family members, I leave politics at the door. 450 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of feel like taking into whatever relationship 451 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: you have with somebody who disagrees with you the idea 452 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: of some grace about the fact that a lot of 453 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: people see this as too mediocre to bad choices, right, 454 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: everyone's a hybrid. There's there's very few people. I mean 455 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: Harry Sisson, I guess is the super fan who's just 456 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: out there, you know, write in tweets for pay Okay, 457 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: there is on. 458 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 2: The debate he said, I just that was the best one. 459 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: There is that type of person out there. But most 460 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: of the people you know are some sort of hybrid. 461 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: They're upset with certain things, but they're happy with other 462 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: things and their candidate. And I think having grace for 463 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: that is important. I do understand that people on certain 464 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: issues will say like, this is just a moral line 465 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: I can't cross, and it makes people want I mean, frankly, 466 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: October seventh is one of those things for me where 467 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: I look at people and go, wait a second, I 468 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: thought we were I thought we'd be on the same 469 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: page about this one. This one seems pretty black and white. 470 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: But I think even in the really unless it's egregious, 471 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: even in the really the places where you have huge disagreements, 472 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: you can find something else that you do not have 473 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: a disagreement about exactly. Or you could just talk about football. 474 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: Right or anything. Yeah, makeup I mean, whatever it is 475 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: that you talk about. I think it's also important to 476 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 2: have friends who don't talk about politics with I have 477 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: those in my life where we literally never talk politics, 478 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 2: both people I agree with and people I disagree with, 479 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 2: which we just we laugh at the same stuff. And 480 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 2: that's really what it's all about. 481 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: You will not be surprised by the way, and this 482 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: pops up in every survey like this, that the number 483 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: of Democrats and Harris voters who say they've severed a 484 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: relationship over this is higher than Republicans in almost every 485 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: survey of this kind, Republicans are more willing to have 486 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: cross partisan relationships and maintain them. I think that is 487 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: interesting given that the left itself on the back for 488 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: being very tolerant, and it's maybe something that they should 489 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: take to heart and take into their relationships such that 490 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 1: they have them with other people who disagree with them 491 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: also disagree with you. He keeps you honest. 492 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and sharp. It keeps you sharp. You end 493 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: up hearing the other side's arguments, and I think that's important. Well, 494 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us on Normally. If 495 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: you have something to tell us, please email us at 496 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 2: Normallythepod at gmail dot com. I'm Carol Markowitz. 497 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: And I'm Mary Catherine Ham. Thanks for being here. 498 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 2: Catch us on Thursday.