WEBVTT - Twilight with JT Taylor 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.400 On the beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:07.080 have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.880 and husbands, or do they have in individualism the patriarchy? 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:16.240 Zef in best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello, 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.479 and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin, 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.960 Miss Jamie, and we're here to talk about movies and 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:26.400 how women are portrayed in those movies. Women rule, women rule, 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:31.280 not according to movies, So no women suck. And that's 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:35.280 especially true of the movie we're talking about today. We 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.519 got a hum ding or today. Man, I'm sorry if 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.200 this episode ends up being like two and a half 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.760 hours long, because I have many pages of notes. I've 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.519 got a lot. Yeah, there's a lot to say. I 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:52.360 watched this movie once drunk, once sober, and tried to 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.240 figure out what I was saying in the drunk notes. 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.560 We'll see if I can piece it apart. I watched 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.000 probably the first fifteen minutes of it on Netflix and 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:02.760 then I was like, Oh, this movie blows. And then 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.319 I happened to have the Riff Tracks version of it, 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.280 so I watched the rest of that and it was 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.240 a much more enjoyable way to watch it. Yes, but hey, 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.319 let's jump in and introduce our guests. Let's do it. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.480 He is an educator, but his most impressive credit is 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:24.000 that he is the best friend of a one Caitlin Durante. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:29.720 It's j T. Taylor. Guys, thanks for having me. Thanks 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.040 for being here, my friend. Yeah. Thanks, that was a 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.839 good introduction. I'm I teach the youth of America about 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:40.120 commas and quotation marks and commas inside of quotation marks. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:47.040 What would you say is the most important piece of punctuation? Puberty? Okay, amazing? Yeah, yeah, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.760 it's usually where we start at the school year in 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:53.080 English class, puberty, and by the end they're shaving. It's great, 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:59.160 well in class and everything full service. That's amazing. In Massachusetts, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:04.200 I miss shaving at school. You're you're in junior high 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.960 and you're like, let's sneak into the bathroom and shave 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:12.840 each other. My friends just shaven, shave it away. Yeah. Well, 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.400 this podcast is inspired by the Bechtel Tests. Right, do 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.760 you know what that is? Maybe? Maybe not. If you don't, 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.920 we're here to tell you that it's a test you 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.600 that you apply to movies or whatever, anything that has 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.600 a story. The test requires that the story has two 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.960 female characters. They have to talk to each other, they 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.320 have to have names, and their conversation can't be about 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.400 a man. I would honestly be fascinated if this is 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.800 the first episode someone would choose to listen to, because 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.720 it speaks more to their movie taste than anything aft, like, oh, 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:51.040 this is going to be my jumping off point for feminism. Hey, Jes, 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.400 tell us about your your history. Well we're talking about Twilight, 0:02:54.760 --> 0:03:00.600 do you know? Oh no, you've misprepared. Were already give 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.720 it five film. So I'm an educator that means I 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.840 teach kids. And during my first interview, I knew this 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.960 is the job, This is my dream job because the 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:14.720 summer reading included Twilight. Real, what time do I start? Who? 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:19.160 In their right mind? For what age? The Massachusetts? There there? 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:20.760 It was a high school book for the high school 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:24.080 reading list. It's not there anymore, right, So what what 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.360 year would this have been? Tight? So that was when 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.239 I was in high school. That's crazy. Yeah, do you 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.720 want to transfer? Yeah? I want to go back in time. 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.120 My mom loved these books and she bought the box 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.760 set and was like, you've got to read them. She'd 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.200 later do the same thing with fifty shades, but I passed. 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:43.720 It was like your commings on these books. This is 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:48.120 chriss Well. I first encountered Twilight by going to visit 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:54.440 my friend J T. Hi. Yeah, that's my fault, that's 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.680 my It was before I lived in Boston, and I 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.840 think I went to visit you and you were like, hey, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.760 got to watch this movie Twilight. We watched it and 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.120 it was bad, and you really at the time like 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.480 I loved it. Those movies. I spoke. We got into 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.960 fights about these movies because you were wrong and I 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.200 was right, no, because I have been right all along 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.839 that they've always been terrible, and now you're coming consistently 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.880 believed that there. I've consistently been a detractor, but I 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.200 was on board for you know, it's like this sort 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.360 of like twist my arm. I guess I'll go because 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.000 all my friends are going, but I think it's stupid. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.960 But I would always go. I mean same like I've seen. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.239 I think I saw the last three movies in the 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:40.800 theater really midnight. I saw the first one in theaters God, 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.239 and then I read the first book and a half 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.760 and it was like, holy sh it. The pros in 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:52.280 these books garbage, and I couldn't keep going. Also, I've 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:56.080 been a long time team Jacob. Oh, I agree, I agree, 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:03.200 I'm okay. Team Jacob is the right team. Thank you 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.920 so much. I agree. Also worth mentioning that our producer 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:11.800 Aristotle used to be a big Twilight head. Really wait, 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:18.039 what team were you on? Okay, it's good that we 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.039 have a split room. This is going to be good 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:24.279 for discourse. I don't understand. Well, okay, we'll get to Edward. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.640 I just to Moody, give me, give me Jacob. He's 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:33.320 got He's a red blooded American horny wolf. I'm into it. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:38.800 They have good banter. They have an actual friendship. Yes, 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.520 it doesn't start with like I'm gonna just look at 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.200 you for a long time, although that is. That's how 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.400 my high school boyfriend, uh he ensnared you, just by 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.600 staring at you for a while. Yeah, there was one 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.839 time where someone was like, oh, Steven stared at you 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.600 for the whole math test. All right, I'll date him. 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.559 He was really good at math, so I finished shortly 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.200 and then he was just like it worked. We dive 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:07.480 for four years. Romantic Nope, nope, listen, it was great 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.480 at the time. Okay, I was, I was young. I 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.240 was I was a baby. Gay Mowanna hadn't come out yet, 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.880 so I didn't really know who I was. It just 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.680 it spoke to me, and uh, I don't regret that 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.640 books are movies first. For you the movie it was 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.719 the trailer really for New Moon, when the parent government 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:29.520 is introduced, right, correct, I was books first. Okay, I 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.480 was still, you know, really knee deep into Harry Potter 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:37.200 at the time. And give me a breath over Harry Potter, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:42.920 thank you alright, already came out. I'm irrevocably over Harry Potter, 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:47.240 who didn't learn the word or have a complay from this. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.440 We just looked up the definition this morning, ten minutes 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.000 before you got here. I remember reading this these books. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.960 I think it's the second book. But there's like a 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.839 part where Edward disappears and then Bella just does nothing 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.800 for like three months. Yeah, that's towards the beginning of News. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:08.640 And there's a couple there's a couple just like blank pages, 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.520 and I remember seeing that and being like, oh, you 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.520 can just do nothing for three months. This is such 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.880 an interesting idea. It's society. I was I was like 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.200 straight up turned on by the idea of doing nothing 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.320 for three months, and so I was like, well, thank 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.080 you Stephanie Meyer for just, you know, making this an 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.080 option for young women doing nothing for three months because 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.160 they're they're like, maybe a friend should I do the 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:37.320 recap Alright, So Twilight centers around a young Bella Swan. 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.520 Don't forget, there's no way to convey that a character 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.000 is attractive unless you name her Bella, which means beauty, 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:45.920 and then also give her the last name of a 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.080 sexy bird, as we saw in the Pirates of the 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:53.280 Caribbean episode with Elizabeth. I think that there are actually 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.640 very dirty and mean. Have you ever met a swan? 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.000 I don't know why I'm asking that as someone who 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:04.560 actually I've met several swans and can confirm that they 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.960 are the sexiest of all the birds. Swans have only 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.120 been very mean to me. There's this place in Bracton 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.360 called dw Fields Park and you would go, I mean 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.080 maybe because they were city swans. It was very rude. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.840 You'd bring little scraps and they were loud, they were territorial. 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:23.760 They would ship everywhere. Beautiful swan. It's it's a myth okay, well, 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.760 not according to black swan, not according to the swan Princess. 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.040 There's a lot of misconceptions about swans that I would 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:35.240 like to spend. There is a lot too much. What 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.800 about those other birds? How about pigeons? They have the 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.600 worst reputation, But are they the worst birds? We don't 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.160 know because we haven't seen enough theories about pigeons. They're 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.240 about as dirty as swans. All birds are dirty and 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.520 kind of scary. I think you're not wrong. Sorry, sorry 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.640 to trigger all you bird lovers out there. I expect 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:59.280 them strongly. So we've got bella swan. She moved to Forks, Washington, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.120 where there's never son. You know. She's in a new 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:03.800 high school and she's trying to make new friends, but 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.680 she's so clumsy and awkward that it's hard. Except everyone 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:12.520 immediately loves her, including a person named Edward Cullen. He's mysterious, 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:18.360 he's pale. He emotionally abuses her from minute one, but 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.559 he's intriguing because it turns out, wow, he's a vampire. 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.920 So they start to fall in love. She's like, I'm 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:29.400 irrevocably in love with you. At one point they're playing baseball. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:34.280 The baseball scene is bananas. I love it. Well, this scene, 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.040 it shouldn't be significant, but it is because this group 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.240 of bad vampires show up who have been killing the 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:45.080 townspeople and eating the sniffy ones. I like, I like 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:50.160 the one named James who's always sniff in the air. Yeah. Um. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.120 And they show up because Bella starts hanging out with 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:57.120 the Cullen family, which is this family of vampires that 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:01.160 have just all been turned by Carlyle are all foster children, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.160 but they're also all fucking each other. Interesting precedent that, yes, 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.280 So they're all playing baseball together and the bad vampire 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.160 show up because the thing with the Cullens is that 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:14.839 they don't eat people, even though they want to. They're vegetarians, 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.680 so they only eat animals. Makes sense. So the bad 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.840 vampires who do eat people come by. This guy James, 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.800 this lady Victoria, and let's see the one name Laurent, 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.040 and they're like, I smell a human, I'm gonna eat her. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:34.920 And James, the lead bad vampire, Sniffy Sniffy Sniffy Sniffy Magoo, 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.520 decides that he's gonna turn Bella into a project and 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:43.079 he's gonna chase her. That's exactly great, Like he's gonna 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:48.480 fix her fix here by drinking all of her blood. 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.240 And so everyone freaks out and they're like, we gotta 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.160 get away from here. So they drive to Phoenix and 0:10:55.679 --> 0:11:01.439 Bella things. Is this about Fury Road? Can we do 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.200 figur Road? Oh my god, it's been done. I would 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.800 rather do this than Fury Road. Honestly, I like this movie. 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.920 Oh my god, No that I'm having a stroke. Jamie hates. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.079 I hate mad Mag's Fury Road. Give me any Twilight 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.319 movie over it. I have to go like be here 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:24.240 in Robert Buttons and handsome Tom hardy handsomer. I'm already boring. No, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.840 his character is born because the handsome Okay, yes, team Jacob, 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.360 but kiss me on the lept. I love that he 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.760 wears a wig. There's like a lot of especially later 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:41.160 in this series, a lot of Jacob objectification, speculation on 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.920 his abs. He's wearing wigs. He's like Nicole Kidman, like 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.640 he's like, look at my body, look at my wig. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.920 It's great. That wig was huge on Gate Twitter. Really yeah, wait, 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.720 Nicole Kidman's wig or Jacob Black's Okay, Okay, I was 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.120 going to say because I was really into I feel 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.520 like I've brought up this exact wig before, the one 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.720 that she wears is in in Big Little Eyes, Nicole 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.319 Kivin's wigg and Biggle Little Wise is something I think 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.080 about at least once a week. So they're in Phoenix 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:13.040 now and James is like, I'm when I eat you, fella, 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.200 and She's like, Okay, I'm gonna die in the place 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.200 of someone I love. She's okay with it, and she's 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.560 fine with it. It's the opening line from the movie, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.840 right and and just so, so there's no mistake made. 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:31.000 You see a deer being consumed, as if to say, like, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:35.480 don't worry, we have no problem selling out our protagonists 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.040 in the place of someone hot. Yeah. Yeah, this is 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.080 a movie that starts with a female deer being hunted 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.880 by a male hunter. And that's a perfect metaphor for 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.880 how I grew up in Pennsylvania. Did you get Hunting 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.880 season days off? We did, but I didn't go. I 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.880 stayed home and played video games like a normal person. 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:54.959 I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, I didn't 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:56.360 have to go to school on the first day of 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.240 Like there just was no school in the first day 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.319 of Buck season and does season? Who does sides? But 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.080 the first day of Buck season, and it's different. The 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.800 Bock season and Do season are two different seasons. Yes, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:10.120 it's the Vaultori the designs. Actually this is new information 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.680 to me. That's crazy. Yeah, grow up in rural Pennsylvania 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:15.319 and then you won't have to go to school when 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:20.120 there's hunting to be done. Okay. But so she's like, 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.520 I'm gonna die for Edward because I revocably love him, 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.280 And then of course he has to show up and 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.959 they fight James because James has bitten Bella. All the 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.080 vampire venom is coursing through her veins, and she's like 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.800 and it's like so she's like lying there on the 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.240 floor nearly dying. And then they kill James the vampire 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.960 by Alice ripping his head off. And then Edward, who 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.280 has expressed this entire time that he wants to suck 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.280 Bella's blood more than any humans blood. He has to 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.600 suck the venom out of her blood stream, and he's like, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.240 oh god, am I going to be able to stop 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.760 in time? Good raw dog in it? Well I knew 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.880 that's basically what the metaphor is. He's like, I don't 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:08.160 know if I'm gonna be able to not come exactly. Yeah, 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:12.880 he's raw dogging it hot more raw dogging in movies, 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:17.160 Edwards the raw dog So the betrayal of women in Twilight, 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.440 you went your turn? Do you only speak when you're 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.200 spoken to? Well, the first time Bella had sex, she 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.200 raw dogs are right? And then she gets pregnant with 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.160 a little demon. They should maybe consider protection. But he's 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.880 so strong that parent come is impervious. Was that the thing? 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.520 He's like, Oh my, I have like badtery acid come 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.960 and there's no use in stopping me. And then he's like, 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:46.880 oh guy, this is so sick all other sniffys. Can 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.120 we just okay, can we skip forward to the end 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.280 of the fourth book really quick before we finished summarizing 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.120 the first movie, please, of how all this stuff happens. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:58.000 There's a love triangle forever and then it turns out 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:03.280 that Jacob the were wolf was actually lusting after Bella's 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:08.360 unborn egg baby. Yeah, this is it. That is so 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.320 fucking gross. It is horrifying because we see them form 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.720 a friendship here that I'm like, this seems like puppy love, 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.120 seems like there's something there, but he's actually like horny 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:22.680 for her egg puppy, He's horny for her egg what 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:29.160 is it, renesme or whatever fucking stupid ass name. Grow up. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.960 I remember having to stop reading the book and going 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.120 back and being like, surely this is not the implication, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.560 because the whole thing is that someone imprints on the werewolves. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.120 I think she's still a very young child that he 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.280 sees her for the first time. To be fair, Edward 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:49.400 is ninety years older than Bella, so a colonial England, 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.560 Like this is so fucking d Yeah, he like sees 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:58.160 this and then he's like, oh, exactly, that's exactly what happens. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.960 And it is disgusting and one of many reasons I 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.960 fucking hate this series. That to me is the worst 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.240 part of the whole series. I have a high tolerance 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:12.080 for garbage and trash. But the dog man seeing a 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.680 baby and saying I'm going to that baby, and then 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.160 in the book being like, and here's the resolution thing 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.640 you've been waiting for years is the dog wants to 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:27.400 fund a baby. Like no that that you're like, oh, closure, like, no, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:33.440 call the police, right. Just back checking a bit to 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:38.200 the end of the first one, the Good Vampires the Collins, 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:42.720 they show up, they destroy James. Meanwhile Edward is sucking 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.840 all of the blood out of Bella. Cut to the 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:50.160 end of the movie whereby she's done nothing to resolve anything, 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.160 and they go to prom. The end they do that. 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.560 Look though, I will because I was in high school 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.360 when this movie came out. I remember specifically, So this 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.640 came out like meat two thousand eight, and then the 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.000 prom season after two thousand nine, everyone was doing the 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.119 bell of Swan thing with a prom dress and converses. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:12.320 That was like a thing for for the next couple 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.200 of years. You know, I'm in support of like wearing practical, 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.640 comfortable shoes in a formal occasion. That's fine, But what's 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:23.119 gross is being inspired by Twilight. But that totally was 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.160 what Yeah. Yeah, everyone was like, I'm doing the Bella Swan, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.840 I'm wearing a kid dress. I'm awkward, I can't dance. Also, 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.600 I'm awkward, I can't She also wearing a cast because 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.840 of Vampire had broken her leg. Yeah, which might have 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.359 informed the shoe decision, but it went over all the 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.560 high school girls were like, oh, this seems easier, which 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.840 is true. Well, where do we jump in with this 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:51.480 hard Tovie, we can start it. Charlie's tom Selleck mustache. Yeah, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.720 let's go there. Let's go there first. Are we into it? 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.600 I'm into it. I'm into it, honestly, Hot Dad, I'm 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.600 team Charlie. Yeah, hot Dad. He's doing his best and 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:05.240 he's hot. Okay. One of the first things that happens, 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.959 which I was grossed out by, is Bella arriving at 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.760 the new school. All the boys are like, who's the 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.119 new girl. She's so pretty and oh my god. And 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.399 then one of the characters, Tyler, swoops in for a 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:22.760 kiss just like surprise and then runs away. But this 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.879 is now, like, I don't know, the tense movie that 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.800 we've talked about on this podcast where a man just 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.800 like surprise kiss is a woman, which don't forget there's 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.600 all such thing as a surprise kiss, right, it's all 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.520 it's assault, And I just don't know why this always happens. 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:40.800 The first thing that bothered me about the movie is 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.359 that they used the word chill ax and you're like, oh, yeah, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.439 it's two that in eight was like chill ax Bella. 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.520 I was like, oh no, feature yeah, I'm just lamping over. 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.680 She has a moderate amount of anxiety about being interviewed 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:54.680 as the new kid for the school newspaper, which would 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.920 never happen, and he immediately back pedals and he's like, relaxed, woman, 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.639 chill acts, I'm just trying to lamp over here. Do 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.359 you remember. People will be like, I'm just lamping. I 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.080 have no idea what that means. People would say that 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.280 in my high school. They'd be like, oh, funk, I'm 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.040 trying to think of all this because this was my 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.040 back this yeah, this was the best, the best years 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:14.840 of my life. Just kidding. I was wearing a back 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.719 brace for these years. But people would be like, oh, 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.760 we're lamping on the east side. For some reason, there 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:22.440 was a time where you could say lamp and I 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.320 just meant to hang out. Yeah, like Chilla hack sing 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:29.639 if you will, but like lamping. Yeah. Bella's first steps 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:31.800 into Forks really really interesting. A lot of people talk 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.679 to her about the weather. Tyler throws a twizzler at 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.840 her and then his van. He does throw a van 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.440 at her, and then Edward throws it back. He's like, no, certain, 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:46.040 not on my watch. I protect her. She's gonna save her. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:50.040 She's not. I watched her when she sleeps just like, ah, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:55.800 how romantic. Okay, yeah, so I made a list of 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.520 all the ways in which he is extremely abusive. There's 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:04.119 a scene he straight up gaslights her whenever he's he 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.080 saves her from the van crashing into her because he 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.160 has to like speed across the parking lot to get 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.800 to her in time, and because he's a vampire he 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.880 can do that. He's lightning fast. In the hospital, She's like, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:16.879 how did you get over to me? How did you 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.000 do that? And like, also, how do you stop a 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.959 van with your arm? And he's a reasonable questions. He's like, 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.280 I was already right beside you, and she's like, no, 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.760 you were across the park. She keep saying, I know 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.879 what I saw. I know that was like scary to watch. 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.119 Knowing what gaslighting is now you're just like, oh my god. 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.840 And it being presented as like a funny little plot 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.119 point of like it's not time for her to know. 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.399 But I'm like, no, this is like a textbook example 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.640 of something that happens in abusive You're just like, why 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:53.280 you hit your head? You're confused? Yeah, that's like sample 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:58.040 text question her reality and make you think she's crazy. 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:00.760 And then she here's the thing. She does stand up 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:03.520 for herself. In this movie, a lot things happen to 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:08.880 her and she's like she tries, but it's always undermined 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.680 by the fact that she then just keeps staying with 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.840 this very abusive person. Like there's a scene where those 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:20.440 like scary rape dudes in Port Angels, Washington come after 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:25.600 her Port of Angels. They're like being all creepy, and 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:27.680 she's like, get off, don't touch me. She like even 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:29.919 kicks one of them. Like she does fight for herself. 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.120 She stands up for herself, but it never laughs long, 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:37.800 or she always succumbs to whatever abuses being tossed her way, 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:41.840 or very often just being removed from one abusive situation 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.960 and placed into a different one where like obviously the 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.040 guy is harassing her in port Angelist, that is bad news. 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:51.199 I think if we're playing out that situation realistically, she 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.320 would not have been able to rescue herself. We don't 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.840 know that she has any like physical training that would 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.159 allow her to fight off multiple grown men. I mean, 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.399 if there's like a bit of ice she slips on it, Yeah, 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:08.000 she can't. She has no hand eye coordination. She'sward, she's awkward, 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:11.840 but she knows what about No, She's like, I hate that, 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:13.840 but he has a crush on me. I'm cute, I 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.760 bought hair colored to box and I'm awkward. Okay, So 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.720 this is a hard thing to discuss because many women 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:26.280 find themselves in abusive relationships and we must not victim 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:28.480 blame them at all, because we can just be like, well, 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:30.320 why didn't you get out or why didn't you fight back, 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:32.720 or why didn't you stand up for herself? Like that's 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:36.359 obviously not how you approach, of course, not that. What 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.480 I what I think is the dangerous precedent set is 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.600 that we can't We're not gonna blame Bella because she 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:47.040 is sixteen years old. Who male or female at sixteen 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:51.720 years old is like emotionally equipped to deal with gaslighting vampires, 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:56.120 especially when he's ninety years older than her. And that's 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.159 the gross thing where he is somehow attractive. He's like 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:02.000 a hundred year ol man and that's like, you know, 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.159 takes you into a whole weird fiction world of like 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:06.520 what you're gonna do a corpse? But like we don't know, 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:11.520 we don't know. But speaking to like the abusive relationship angle, 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:14.040 I think that the real problem with it is that 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.840 obviously the target of these movies are girls that age 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.760 and the way their relationship, Like I think the characters 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:25.919 is one thing, because it's so fucking fictional that, you know, 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:29.600