1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's given me 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: advice on many occasions. In occasion didn't notice I'm not broke. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: You know. He'll be interview with celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: industry decision makers. It's what he likes to do, it's 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: what he likes to share. Now it's time to hear 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: from my man, Rashan McDonald money Making Conversations. Here we come. 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: My next guest is Daniel Carsilo. He is the founder 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: and chief executive officer with SNA Health, biotechnology company focused 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: on developing the novel therapies of tomorrow and delivering new 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: care paradigms for today. Daniel is a well known speaker 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: and IF advocate on behalf of traumatic brain injury t 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: b I survivors and people dealing with mental health challenges. 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: Mr Carsilo played in the n h L which we 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: all know that little circle can be a train wreck. 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: As they say. Reason I say it's a train wreck 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: because his nickname car On car On. During his ten 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: year nh career for his explosive playing on the ice, 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: no for protecting his teammates. They call that an enforce her. Okay, 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: in basketball they got me. Football they got Spen. But 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: in hockey and basketball, those two, those two, there were 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: pops up a lot. Mr Daniel helped Chicago win two 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: Stanley Club Championships with the Blackhawks, but a great personal 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: cost to himself. We'll talk about what son of health 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: and the price you can pay for being and enforcing NHL. 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: Please welcome to money making conversation in Master Cars. Mr 28 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: Daniel Carno. How you doing, sir, I'm good. How are you? Um? 29 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: Let's talk about I'm gonna ta my hockey. I'm I 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: love all sports, okay. And I was in New York. 31 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: I was I think that was in New York and 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: Nanny went to my first hockey game. Was enjoying it. 33 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: I was enjoying it. It's two shows going in the 34 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: hockey game, Daniel. You can probably you're on the ice, 35 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: but there's also a show that goes on in the stands, okay, 36 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: and the hockey crowd. I think it was the most 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: rowity group of people I've ever been in the stands 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: with Okay, I've been to the baseball games. I've been 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: to the football games. I've been to the basketball games, okay, 40 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: but that hockey fan beer drinking was extreme and women 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: were the rowdiest I've ever seen in any sports setting. 42 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: Where the women I would like to actually stunned Daniel 43 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: at the beer drinking and the rowdiness of the women. Okay, 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: that's my experience in the stands. Then you're dealing with 45 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: this tremendous, volatile sport of violence was you can say, 46 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: a time very graceful called ice. How did you get 47 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: involved with the as a young hockey player? What attracted 48 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: you to the sport? So? I grew up in Canada, 49 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: and as soon as you get born, you can walk, 50 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: you get put on skates. So I started at three 51 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: years old. And one of the things that attracted me 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: to the sport was just being able to move with 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: a group of guys towards one goal. Because you have 54 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: to move in synchronicity towards that common goal. Whoever is 55 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: more connected will ultimately win the game. And and then 56 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: there was also this other aspect of you know you 57 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: mentioned going to hockey games. Doesn't want a bounce. It's 58 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: like m m a on skates and you're legally allowed 59 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: to hit somebody when when they have the puck. So 60 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: it was definitely attracted to the aggressive nature of the 61 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: sport as well. Well. The aggressive nature. Didn't that I 62 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you that for now, go back to 63 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: my experience at the at the at the hockey game. 64 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: So I'm enjoying the movement, the the gracefulness you all 65 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: of a sudden at the at the end of the 66 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: hockey we there's a fight going on. It had nothing 67 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: to do what the other eat of that. I would 68 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: I would tell as as a as a fan, I 69 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: would like, what the heck, what is going on? But 70 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: everybody in this day like wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's 71 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm as m. I'm as the first time and I've 72 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: been to more hockey gate system was like like caught off. 73 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: I remember, I really understand how that played a role 74 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: into it. And people start educating that's where hockey as 75 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: they do that. That's how I go like that explained 76 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: to me? Would you be called carbomb because I'm pleading sure, 77 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: you're one of the guys at the other end of 78 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: the ice that I was like confused, that's what were 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: you doing? What was going on here, Daniel. So we 80 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: have in hockey, you have four lines and forwards. So 81 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: you have six forwards, two lines that are essentially your 82 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: skill guys that are quote unquote untouchable, and then you 83 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: have your third and fourth line who are more grinders 84 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: who wear the other skill guys down. So one of 85 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: my jobs was to be an antagonist, was to ensure 86 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: that the other team knew not to take any shots 87 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: at our top six guys. So there's a little bit 88 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: of an unwritten code because then I wouldn't take shots 89 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: at theirs. And if that did happen, then you know, um, 90 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: I had a pretty unpredictable nature to myself, so you 91 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: would have to answer to me. And if their guy 92 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: took shots at, you know, one of our skill guys, 93 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: you'd think that I would go after the enforcer, when 94 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: in fact, I would, you know, take the next shift 95 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: and my coach would probably put me on the top 96 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: six line and I would go after one of their 97 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: skill guys. So kind of tip for tad get their 98 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: guys instead of thinking about scoring goals distracted by me 99 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: and trying to trying to keep their head on straight. Yeah, 100 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: in baseball, that would be if their star player got hit, 101 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: then the next inning when their planner comes, they can 102 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: hit him with a baseball. That's now now a lot 103 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: of people trying to outlawd that now in hockey that 104 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: the model of what you just spoke to me is 105 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: that still the norm. Are people trying to show away 106 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: from neck especially with being on TV so much that days. Yeah, 107 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: so I think that there's there's a lot of backlash, 108 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: but I think we have to remember how the game 109 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: was founded. Ultimately, there's a regular season, but that regular 110 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: season is all set up to get to the playoffs 111 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: to then win the Stanley Cup. And the Stanley Cup 112 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: is a seven game series, right, four rounds of seven games, 113 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, there is always 114 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: this aspect of taking somebody's will to play away, and 115 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: the way you do that is you you lean on 116 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: them with with physicality. Obviously you have to score more 117 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: goals to win the game, but over that period of 118 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: time you have to make sure that there's there's a 119 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: nice meld of physicality and skill. And so I don't 120 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: know if it will ever you know, be out of 121 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: the game, but there's definitely less fighting nowadays, which I 122 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: think is a positive thing, and there's no more enforcers 123 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: in the sense of the word. There's guys that can 124 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: fight if something does happen. And so it's trending in 125 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: the right direction being that you know, now they're on 126 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: ESPN and T n T and you have some TV 127 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: deals and really people I think in in Canada still 128 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: there's the purest of the sport where they want to 129 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: see the fighting, but to attract new fans to the game, 130 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: I think the game is trending in the right direction 131 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: where we're moving away from the right. We really we 132 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: we This is what's just taken to this conversation, that 133 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: whole circle and how you can just run up to 134 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: a player and just pin him against the ice and 135 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: you're moving at a hundred miles an hour and sometimes 136 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: they don't see him that that that that's coming, and 137 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: it can lead to an ultimate collision or smash up 138 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: against the rink itself. And those collisions of what leads 139 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: us to the conversation we have in the day, those 140 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: those you know you see him in football, you know 141 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: a running back is coming through the line, another player 142 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: is meeting him at the same impactful moment that's causing 143 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: brain damage and his cause, and people are starting to 144 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: do tests. Some people are dying and asking can we 145 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: get that players brains that we can do research on 146 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: there is That's where we're at with with Sana. Yeah, 147 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: so I think that donating your brain for research is 148 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: really important. Unfortunately, that happens after men have passed away 149 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: with a history of repetitive head trauma. There's never been 150 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: anybody found to have chronic traumatic encephalopathy, which is a 151 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: neurodegenerative disease similar to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, a l S, and 152 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: dementia where eventually a taw protein takes over your brain 153 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: and you're unable to do the normal tasks um of 154 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: an everyday human being. And when these symptoms start to 155 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: arise and there's little to no education or awareness or understanding, 156 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: then you have people passing away and trying to cope 157 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: in a in a number of different various ways. So 158 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: I think that the settlement with the NFL really opened 159 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people's eyes and in the community of 160 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: hockey to speaking about how not only the concussive hits 161 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: are affecting individuals after they're done playing and during but 162 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: also how these subconcussive hits are are affecting people over 163 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: a longer period of time. So they've done things like 164 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: move the age of hitting up um to incur less damage, etcetera. 165 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: But uh, we are definitely in a brain eccentric age 166 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: if you look at all supplementations and and even outside 167 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: of the sporting world, everybody's really focused on on the brain. 168 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: And so you know, I think making sure that people 169 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: that the men playing the sports are aware of the 170 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: risk and then making sure that they have the proper 171 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: treatment to recover during the sport and then after having 172 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: the proper resources to rely on, I think is extremely 173 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: important and it's one of our goals absolutely to raise 174 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: awareness for that and for traumatic brain injury. You know, 175 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: I just recently saw a special I want to make 176 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: sure I get the team weight. I believe it was 177 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: do your Red Wings versus the Avalanche? Correct? Yeah, and 178 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: uh and so you know, and my wife, you know, 179 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: she doesn't watch hockey, and it was so it was 180 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: such a compelling series. It puts a violence series too. 181 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: You know, it was like you know, it was like 182 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: you know, you was you was you were blown away 183 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: because of the fact that you know, here with two 184 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: of the violent individuals that were sitting sharing the stage 185 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: as warriors. Who can actually sit next to you doesn't 186 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: be civil? How did you translate you being this? You know, 187 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: you don't get a name like you know, CARBONMB unless 188 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: you're doing something out there. How did that translate? I 189 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: know your teammates got you, how did you translate away 190 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: from the court with your competitors are the other teams 191 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: in the league, So it's it's funny. Guys that did 192 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: my job are usually the closest. We'd run into each 193 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: other at you know, bars or afterwards at other events 194 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: and shake hands and hug and it was just all 195 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: part of the game. It's all understood. It's similar to 196 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: the confusion that you see. I'm sure some people get 197 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: when m m A fighters are clapping each other and 198 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: immediately after the fight, right, So hockey's um very much 199 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: like m m A on skates. I think that's why 200 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: it's so compelling and exciting when you go and watch 201 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: it live. That's such a different experience when you're watching 202 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: it on TV. But we get on. We get on 203 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: pretty well, and we understand that, you know, we are 204 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: gladiators in a sense that um, we're programmed to suffer 205 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: and to take damage for the good of the team. 206 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: And however that looks if that looks like fighting somebody, 207 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: then so be it. If it looks like laying down 208 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: blocking a hundred slap shot, um, however we can get 209 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: to the final goal of of winning. Uh, it's all, 210 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: it's all a part of that game. Just just I 211 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: know the interviews about this, but I just want to 212 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: get your feedback. I saw that and I was just 213 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: taken away by the violence and then the team we're 214 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: in them, camaraderie of it. A person like you who 215 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: was not part of that and saw that. What was 216 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: your takeaway? Was it too much violence? Did you say? Wow? Sometimes, 217 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: oh my god when you watch that that that that 218 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: that especially that was put put on by ESPN A 219 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: ray Birds, I mean the reb Wings versus the Avalanche. Yeah. 220 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: So that's how I learned the game. I watched rock'em 221 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: Sock Them videos and I watched these men be gladiators 222 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: out there, and the game was again, like much different 223 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: back then than it is today right where it's trending 224 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: in a different direction. But when I came up, I'm 225 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: only thirty seven years old, and it was very much 226 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: like that where you would start games, the puck would 227 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: drop and you'd have two guys fighting right away, and 228 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: so um. You know, there's a couple of things that 229 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: bring people out of their seats, and one of them 230 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: that brings everybody out of their seats is a fight. 231 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: So um and the fight, their fights were their fights 232 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: brooke line brawls, right, so you saw less of like 233 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: five guys fighting and bench clearing brawls, et cetera. It 234 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: still happened, Um, But I think that, you know, to 235 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: make the game, to grow the game outside of you know, 236 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: the six Canadian teams that we have, and and outside 237 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: of Colorado and these original six teams Chicago, Detroit, we 238 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: have to the game has to evolve. And that's that's 239 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: definitely what's what's happening now. Cool. I was speaking of 240 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: Daniel Carcillo. He's the two time UH Standard Cup champion 241 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: with the Chicago Black Off. What you did you win 242 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: those those those titles? So I lost to them in 243 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten with the Flyers, and then I 244 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: ended up signing with them in two thousand and twelve. 245 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: I won a Cup in two thousand thirteen. I thought, 246 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: so I was in Chicago. I was managing Steve Harvey 247 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: at the time and we were doing the talk show 248 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: at Chicago. I said, he problems up there when I 249 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: was up there, and one of those titles up there, well, 250 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: that city was on fire man, because we did out 251 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: talk to you the first season and y'all wanted and 252 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: then y'all wanted the game man. That city was on 253 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: fire about the black Hawks, man, it was. Yeah, it 254 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: was a really amazing time to be a block Hawk, 255 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: to be in the city. It really was one of 256 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: the modern dynasties because you don't see many teams winning 257 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: three times within an eight year period. We'll be right 258 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: back with more money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, 259 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: let's return to money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. So, 260 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: now now you're out of hockey, and so let's say 261 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: we do play the game to play the game. You 262 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: play the game to win. You play the game because 263 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: God gave your talent. When you start realizing that something's 264 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: not right in the game that you're playing, when did 265 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: you start realizing that, Daniel? So, when I signed with 266 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: the block Hawks, I made an intention to not, you know, 267 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: manage my symptoms with you know, alcohol, opiates, um toward 268 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: her all quarters, all these anti inflammatories that most athletes 269 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: are on. So that was at twenty five and when 270 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: I got to the black Hawks, I met Steve Monitor, 271 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: who was seven years sober and he had been through 272 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: sixteen traumatic brain injuries at that time, and we were 273 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: kind of just um. We became really really fast friends 274 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: and and stayed by each other's side for the next 275 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: five years. In two thousand and thirteen, Steve got cleared 276 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: for four concussions in a twelve week period, and so 277 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: at that point he had nineteen and he started to 278 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: really suffer and I started to see very similar symptoms 279 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: in myself that he had. And then those symptoms, Daniel, 280 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: can you tell us who that's what those symptoms were 281 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: that you started to notice. Yeah, so things like light sensitivity, 282 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: slurred speech, headache, head pressure, insomnia, impulse control issues, appetite loss, 283 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: short term long term memory loss, anxiety, depression, sue side 284 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: all ideation there was. You know, they're pretty serious symptoms 285 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of the first onset of dementia. 286 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: And when you're experiencing that at thirty three thirty four, 287 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: while you're still playing, and I'm watching my friend who 288 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: then retired, really accelerate his degradation if you will. Um, 289 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: I just looked at myself and I just had my son. 290 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: In two thousand fourteen, two thousand fifteen February, Steve passed 291 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: away and then he was found to have a stage 292 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: three ct E, which is a pretty progressive stage for 293 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: him only being thirty four. So at the end of 294 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: that year, we ended up winning again, but I ended 295 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: up suffering pretty bad. And then I got my seventh 296 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: concussion in March, and for reasons that I made for 297 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: my family and for myself, I decided to retire and 298 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: step away. And then I've sent Spen on this eight 299 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: year brain health journey to recover my brain quality of life, 300 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: and it's brought me across a number of different treatments 301 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: and tools and modalities that I've been able to luckily 302 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: share with with the following that I have. Well, you 303 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: know the interesting thing about it, when this interview opportunity 304 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: presented itself to me, you know, you know, coming off 305 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: mental health, Mond, coming off mental health and minorities, and 306 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: we're coming off with so many the layers of trying 307 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: to get the message across Daniel is that the football 308 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: Pro Football has done a good job of getting the 309 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: word out that we have a problem. You know, we 310 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: have a problem. They've talked about high school, they've talked 311 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: about middle school. Changing the way you tackle, you know, 312 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: not tackling with your head. All these things have been 313 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: put in place, and I felt that at least should 314 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: allow you to start telling your story, the NHL story, 315 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: because changes don't happen if it's just only a few 316 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: people hear about it. And I hope that my platform 317 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: allows more people to hear about it. What are you 318 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: trying to get out the most doing this interview about 319 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: the WHATSNA health platform as well as the experiences that 320 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: may need to happen within the inn ajail for it 321 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: to be a safer what's still entertaining league? Yeah, So 322 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: as far as the NHL goes, I'm really not trying 323 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: to do anything to change any rules. I just want 324 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: because damage is gonna happen, So I just want individuals 325 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: in the league, outside of the league, if you have kids, 326 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: to know that there's things that you can do to 327 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: train your brain to increase processing speed, hand eye coordination, 328 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: as well as peripheral vision. Because unfortunately, right now, there's 329 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: only a couple of things that can protect your brain 330 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: from further injury, which is seeing the hit coming and 331 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: bracing for it so that you stopped the whiplash, effect 332 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: effectively stopping the damage of your brain slashing around in 333 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: a rigid skull. And then things like CBD, which is 334 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: a patented neuro protect and patented by the US government 335 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand three, the only patented neuro protecting on Earth. 336 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: So things like that that I advocate for, and then 337 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: just the treatments that I've come across. I've been a 338 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: astaunis mental health traumatic brain injury advocate, and I always 339 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: preface it with things can happen in different arenas, because 340 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: I've talked with veterans, have talked with domestic abuse survivors, 341 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: have talked with football players, um cheerleaders, you know, swimming 342 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: people that swim and hit their heads during practice because 343 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: the pool is populated, so there's equestrian I mean, there's 344 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: a bunch of different arenas, and I always just speak 345 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: from the context of if you're suffering, there's things that 346 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: you can do, and those things don't always include medicine. 347 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: They can because it does help but they can also 348 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: include things like float tanks or self deprivation tanks, hyperbaric chamber, 349 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: cranial sacral which is a technique to to decompress the brain, 350 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: and also supplementation regiments. And really that's where we saw 351 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: it was founded because up until three years ago, I 352 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: was still suffering. If you see them before and after pictures, 353 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: I was a complete shell of myself. I wasn't able 354 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: to put thoughts, words, conversations together, and I was deteriorating 355 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. It was a very scary time in my life. 356 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: And and then I took an invitation to go to 357 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: a decriminalized city and use the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, 358 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: which is psilocybin, to recover my brain health. And it 359 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: happened in a in about a sixty day period. And 360 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: I've now been on that regiment for almost three and 361 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: a half years, and I've never been a healthier version 362 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: of myself or higher operating. And just making sure that 363 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, once you find something that you can create 364 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: something like we sanna, which can go through the proper 365 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: regulatory scientific rigor with the FDA to create a new 366 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: medication for people. Because I believe that people need a 367 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: diagnosis and then they need a prescription um that doesn't 368 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: nest necessarily take them six months to get acclimated to 369 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: like the current essess or as an antidepressants we have 370 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: on the market. When they sat the bio over to 371 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: me about certain things they want to talk about. When 372 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: I hear the word psychedelic assisted therapy, I'm going old school. 373 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: I hate the word a LSD. When I hear psychodad, Okay, cool, 374 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: are we're talking about that? Or we're talking about CBD 375 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: or what are we talking about when you talk about 376 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: the assisted therapy, Because it's a it's a combination that 377 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: I've taken both hallucinogenic and non hallucinogenic. So when you're 378 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: doing the larger doses of psilocybin, you definitely want to 379 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: have a person there that's guiding you. So that's what 380 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: they speak about in the context of psychedelic assisted psychotherapy 381 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: and psychotherapy works. We know that. And when you add 382 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: in something like psilocybin or m d M A that's 383 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: going to be coming online there and it's in phase 384 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: three for PTSD survivors with the FDA right now. You 385 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: are basically in a lot of these substances UM, looking 386 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: at the trauma, meeting the trauma head on. So in 387 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: the context of addiction, you are figuring out and you 388 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: will be shown why you are addicted to a certain 389 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: substance or why you're suffering from PTSD. You have to 390 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: relive that trauma in order to come out of that 391 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: ceremony UM feeling a little less weight. So then when 392 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: in real life you have something that triggers you and 393 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: triggers that trauma, you have a less emotional response to it, 394 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: effectively not needing the alcohol or the other substances that 395 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: you would normally need to numb that down. So it's 396 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: a really efficacious way of of dealing with mental health 397 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: symptoms and it's um successful over sixty seven percent of 398 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: the time, unlike what we have on the market now 399 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: that works around seventeen to thirty percent of the time. 400 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: Was talking to Daniel Corsillo, I'm gos to um. It 401 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: was Sound Health, a two time champion that's right standing 402 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: Cup and Chicago Blackhawks. He's a champion there now he's 403 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: trying champion of calls that's out there trying to make 404 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: a difference with with the brain traumatic brain injury. You know, 405 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: then and we can talk with this car accidents, we 406 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: can talk about it's a lot of different ways. I 407 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: like a like a knucklehead. I tell you, I got 408 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: a hicky right here, Daniel. When I was undeath, the 409 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: cabinet forgot the top cabinet was up and raised up automatically, 410 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: and bro I saw if I saw stars, I saw 411 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: I could I could touch them. And so these type 412 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: of injuries, you know, we kind of like blow them off, 413 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: but people have died from these type of injuries, you know, 414 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: sudden impact on your brain. So we cannot trivialize what 415 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: you're talking about in any situation, especially when you involve 416 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: your kid in physical sports, whether it's uh, you know, 417 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: like I said, whether you know, we look at it. 418 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: We look at it. We look at wrastling, we look 419 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: at football, we look at uh hockey. But it also 420 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: happens in basketball because the physical contact, the elbows to 421 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: the face, you know, a sudden going and elevating the air, 422 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: you fall, hit your head on the floor. There's so 423 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: many ways that kids and young people are walking away. 424 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: I just want to let you know, man, you look fantastic. 425 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: You're very articulate, and to say that you were a 426 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: staged several years ago where you were a shell of 427 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: a man. Today, my brother, you are outstanding. Man. I 428 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: am I am U. I am a walking testimony to 429 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: hear you that I want to see me. Whatever you 430 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: gotta send to me to promote what you're doing, because 431 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: if this is what it can get you from some 432 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: from a shell, to get you control of your life, 433 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: being articulate, having a smile, brand awareness, socially awareness. Let's 434 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: get that message out there. What's son a? Where you at? Man? 435 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: That's that's my new world conduct. Okay, thank you man. 436 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate the kind words. And it's um, yeah, it's 437 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: been uh, it's been a long journey. I feel I've 438 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: always felt that there's a larger purpose to life than 439 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: you know, essentially pushing a punk around. You know, it's 440 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: kind of always U. I have a mind that was 441 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: always kind of looking for other things even though I 442 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: was in my career and um, I feel like, you know, 443 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: you get tested and this is uh, not necessarily another test, 444 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: but really a culmination of everything that I've done in 445 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: my life up to this point to help mitigate suffering, 446 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: whether it's in the traumatic brain injury context or whether 447 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: it's outside of it, because these medicines have the potential 448 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: to help activate the brain, help flush out you know, 449 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: inflammation uh from from damaged parts of the brain, stimulate 450 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: the brain, essentially making us feel better, more creative, better 451 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: access to language and memory. And it's um yeah, it's 452 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: just a really exciting time. So I appreciate you having 453 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: me on your platform to to talk about this. Well. 454 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: Appreciate you because first of all, a knowledge is power, 455 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: and when you have knowledge and you're able to share 456 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: with people who may not be aware, I think it's 457 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: even more incredible. Experiens the fact that you've taken a 458 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: brilliant career ten years and any sport, especially at the 459 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: level you played, to walk away two championships and then 460 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: to be on my interview and be able to articulate 461 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: the next phase of your life. This is the one 462 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: that I always tell people anything in life. You know, 463 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: athletics is a sharp phase of your life. The other 464 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: phase of your life that fifty plus period. What are 465 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: you doing now? You have a plan, my friend Daniel 466 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: and I am I want a champion in and I'm 467 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: very serious. Whatever you do, I want to kind of like, 468 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: you know, if you give me something that we can 469 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: part down the information so I can put it in 470 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: my social media, put it on my newsletter and things 471 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: like that on my LinkedIn account. I definitely want to 472 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: assist you and that spread the word. Okay, of course 473 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I'll definitely send over some information. Thank you. 474 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: I want to thank him for coming on my show 475 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: two times, Stanley cup Chop. He was he wanted when 476 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: I was in Chicago, Okay, so I feel like I 477 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: got little ownership for this man's relationship. Again, thank you 478 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: for coming on Money Making Conversation about the class, Daniel, 479 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: So come thanks together. 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This week, 487 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: I sat down with attorney arbitrator Arthur and Emmy nominated 488 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: host of Divorce Court Judge Faith Jenkins. Judge Faith Jenkins 489 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: shares why it may be beneficial to add your own 490 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: perspective and opinion to your position. What would happen with 491 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: someone's case would literally depend on who got their case. 492 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: So if I got a case and it was a 493 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: young person from Harlem, I would have a different perspective 494 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: than a lot of my colleagues. So it was very 495 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: important for me to add my perspective to that job. 496 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: So when it came time to calling on me for television, 497 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: they were looking for people like me. You could add 498 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: a different perspective and opinion when giving analysis on these cases. 499 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: If you want to listen to this full interview with 500 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: Judge Faith Jenkins is available on money Making Conversation dot com. 501 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: Now let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald's. 502 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: My guest is Shelly fan Fan fan Fan is the 503 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: Florida state licensed mental health counselor. She's currently the chief 504 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: executive officer of Harmony Mental Health and Behavioral Services for Children, 505 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: Adolescents and Adults. Shelly is also the founder and sole 506 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: owner of Asked Shelley Consulting, LLC. Or she consoles with 507 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: individual businesses, ministries, and organizations to maximize performance and productivity. 508 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: Shelly's passion is to change the world, one life, one family, 509 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: and one community at a time. Please work with the 510 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation Master Class Shelly fan Fan. How you doing? 511 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: I am well? Hello, thank you for having me. Well, 512 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: you see, bright Chipper is that it's a standard and 513 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: mo for your personality. Absolutely, I got up this morning. 514 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: I still have purpose. Uh, impact is my my my currency. 515 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: So yes, there's so much more to smile about than 516 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: there is to frown about. But you know, but you 517 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: always get these people go, why are you so happy? Well, 518 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: you know they want to bring you down. You know 519 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: they want they feel there's a reason or dysfunctional role 520 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: in your life to have this level of enthusiasm that 521 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: I say that not even joking, because they have people 522 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: like that. How do you how do you deal with 523 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: people who who have that negative built in energy that 524 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: they want to just spread instead of absorbing positivity. I 525 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: try to be as positive as possible and make sure 526 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: that I do that consistently, because being fulfilled and being 527 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: in purpose and finding a reason to smile is no 528 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: longer a normal thing. It's quite abnormal. So when people 529 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: respond to that, it's because they are acting you to 530 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: be defeated. They're expecting you to be discouraged, They're expected 531 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: you to be at your wits end. And so it's 532 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: not uncommon for people to ask me, like, why are 533 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: you smiling so big? But the reason why my mantra 534 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: is lived in your smile is because I went from 535 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: that stage in my life where I'm you know, you know, 536 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: I spread the misery because I was so miserable on 537 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: the inside. And so I am very intentional about spreading positivity. 538 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: And when I deal with people or when I come 539 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: to across across people who have that attitude, I just 540 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,959 Speaker 1: basically confunct them and encourage them to fix their focus, 541 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: and um, I try my best to give them a 542 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: different perspective and let them know that there's so much 543 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: more working for us than there is working against us 544 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: when you speak of that different perspective, because if it's 545 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: based on who you meet, there's no cookie color game 546 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: plan you can give to everybody. Otherwise you're not really 547 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: servicing the correctly and also hearing their issues. You know, now, 548 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: your name is that I introduced you with Shelley fan 549 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: Fan was that born and raised name. It is okay, cool, 550 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: So you know, we go through life and you know, 551 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: I remember when middle school at times I was bullied. Okay, 552 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: and you have a name, your name as a little 553 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: odd due to a fan fan. So will you teased 554 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: and when you would tease? Did they lead to any 555 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: bullying incidents that you can remember that you had to 556 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: overcome or share with your parents or the teachers to 557 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: to you know, keep you focused and enjoy going to school. 558 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm happy that you bring that up such a good 559 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: question because I love my name. Now. It works so 560 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: well with campaigns because people are like, I'm a fan 561 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: of fan Fan. I'm like, yeah, keep that energy going. 562 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: But let me tell you, I never it took a 563 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: long time for me to really embrace that name because 564 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: I was bullied. Fan Fan is a very uncommon name. 565 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,479 Speaker 1: Is actually of Haitian descent. It's pronounced Fafa, but of 566 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 1: course you know, in our English language it is pronounced 567 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 1: fan fan. That's what people get, that's how they are 568 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: able to pronounce it. And so in school, I was 569 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: bullied for having a very strange last name. I was 570 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: bullied for being so skinny. I was bullied for being 571 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: Haitian all the things that make me me, and so 572 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: it really impacted my capacity to self accept now you know, 573 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: I know that I would when I look back in 574 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: my life, I kind of went with the flow. You 575 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: know when I say that, is that the things that 576 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: people tease me about, I stopped doing it so I 577 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: can fit in, you know, like they like my teacher 578 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: used to always asked me to read publicly, you know, 579 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: and put in the classroom. And one I remember a 580 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: couple of students they were very, very upset that I 581 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: was always chosen to read. And that really hit me 582 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: when I look back on it, and not not just started, 583 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, just started breaking up my words and saying 584 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: eight instead of isn't so I can stop being the 585 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: special student and so and so. I I understand that 586 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: because of the fact that when you start talking about 587 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: mental health, people need to understand it doesn't start in 588 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: high school. It just start as an adult. Sometimes you 589 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: can go all the way back to you know, uh, preschool, 590 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: how the adults allowed certain situations, the crying baby or 591 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: the kid in the corner by itself, or the way 592 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: the kids dressed. And because kids started a blank slate. 593 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 1: So let's start at the at the at that age 594 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: level that you start counseling and and and treating, so 595 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: we can then we move up to adolescents, then teens, 596 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: then adults, and adults are a whole new story. But 597 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: sometimes if you don't get your adulthood with the proper guidance, 598 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: then your disaster correct. Well, I'd like to take it 599 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: back one more stage, and that's in vitro. And it's 600 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: important for people to understand that mental health starts when 601 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: you are in the womb of your mom. Because in 602 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: your room, the womb of a woman, a child is developing, 603 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: the brain is developing, there is a soul, they have 604 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: the sense of hearing. I could go on and on 605 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: about the fetus inside of a woman's womb. And a 606 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: lot of the times when I'm dealing with individuals who 607 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: are trying to overcome trauma, their trauma dates back all 608 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: the way to when they were in their mother's womb. 609 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: And it could be because the mother was a victim 610 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: of violence herself, or the mother was a drug abuser. 611 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: I could go on and on, and so it's important 612 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: to understand that our mental health lifeline actually starts when 613 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: we were in the womb of our mother's The way 614 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: that our mothers cared for them, for herself, her mental health, 615 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: how well she attended to her health needs while she 616 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: was pregnant with you, has to do and it is 617 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: included in the mental health lifeline. When we're working with 618 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: preschool children or kindergarteners, those young because I treat from 619 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: the ages of two to it's important to understand that 620 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: there's so much um of there's so much involved in 621 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: a child's development of self identity that incorporates their peer interactions. 622 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: And so when we as parents and caregivers minimize when 623 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: they come to us and say such and such was 624 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: talking about meet all the things that we find trivial, 625 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: it's very huge to a child, and so it's important 626 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: to understand that those things create impressions. Everything creates impressions. 627 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: Our brain is a huge recorder. Even those memories that 628 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: we don't have access to have power. And so as 629 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: we develop through those developmental stages and we are trying 630 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: to find ourselves, it's important to understand that all of 631 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: those experiences matter. They are impressions, and what we impress, 632 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: we will express. What we impress is what we express 633 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: so a lot of times when I'm working with adults, 634 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: it's important for me to kind of go back to 635 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: those learned experiences that cause those impressions and try to 636 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: unlearned them so that they can find some freedom and 637 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: the opportunity to relearn healthy connections and healthy ideas. Absolutely, 638 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: now as I'm talking to doctor excuse me, I'm talking 639 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: to Shelley fan Fan. She is a license important license 640 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: mental health counselor. And I reason like I've been interviewed 641 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: a lot of African Americans, people of color about mental 642 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: health because in the community of black and brown we 643 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: kind of shy way, you know, because just using street terms, 644 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: I don't want think I'm crazy, you know, I don't 645 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: think you know, you know, people still use the word 646 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: retarded and associated with you know, craziness, and you know, 647 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: these are terminologies within our community that we have not 648 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: wrapped our conversation around, and that it doesn't allow us 649 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: to move forward. You know, we call our kids slow. 650 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's still humor tied to a child not 651 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: functioning properly. That child may be discarded into the back 652 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: of the house or to a different conversation, or may 653 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: not be included in part of the family conversation because 654 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: of embarrassment. How do you deal with those? Because, like said, 655 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: we started to move forward now because it's called participation, 656 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: it's called inclusive awareness of a child, um intelligence, a 657 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: child's social adaptability, adaptability, and things like that. Talk to 658 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: us well, it starts with education because our breakthrough is 659 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: often on the other side of something we do not know. 660 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: And so this idea of crazy. Usually when people say crazy, 661 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: I asked them, what does that look like for you? 662 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,439 Speaker 1: And so most people will define like a person. Think 663 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: of a man at a seven eleven who's talking to himself, 664 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, wiggling his fingers and responding to internal stimuli. 665 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: Most of the time people see that as mental illness. 666 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: When they think of the word mental health, they automatically 667 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: think mental illness, the person who has schizophrenia, the person 668 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: who has bipolar who's blowing up things, burning things, and 669 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: having anger outbursts. And what I try to teach every 670 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: opportunity that I have, especially to black and brown communities, 671 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: is that mental health is a spectrum. It starts with 672 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: being completely whole and emotionally well, and most of us 673 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: do not fit into that category all the way to 674 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: having a diet ignosable mental health disorder. So what I 675 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: try to teach is, what does it look like outside 676 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: of that space, outside of the area that criteria for 677 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: mental illness, What does the rest of that spectrum look like? 678 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: The rest of that spectrum looks like your inability to 679 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: commit to another person. It looks like your inability to 680 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: get eight hours of uninterrupted rests. It looks like your 681 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: self doubt. It looks like your fear and anxiety that 682 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: keeps you stuck. It looks like your procrastination. It looks 683 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: like that book that you haven't written. It looks like 684 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: that song that you haven't sung. It looks like your 685 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: inability to overcome your emotional issues. It's your inability to 686 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: to communicate effectively without allowing your emotions to drive the car. 687 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: It's your incapacity to manage your anger and be successful 688 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: at work. It's your inability to manage your fin answers effectively. 689 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: When we look at it that way, it changes our 690 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 1: mind about what mental health really looks like, and then 691 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: it expands the need in our communities for health. Right. Well, 692 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: you know the thing about it is that you have 693 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: an inner city, then you have or which is which 694 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: which is totally a lockdown, and well, you know there's 695 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: a lot of work has to be done. You're talking 696 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: about the wealth gap, that's a mental gap too. That's 697 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: we're definitely in the mind of city. But it's all 698 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: about embarrassing how people feel the statue or the place 699 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 1: they want to be recognized within the community. And it 700 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: starts with your children. And your children are your future. 701 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: And so you know, we bring these innocent, taught or 702 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: innocent people into our lives. And I always tell people 703 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: to have a healthy child and that maybe define what 704 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: you might call healthy into a life is a miracle. 705 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: And in the process of the adults, this is the 706 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: whole thing. You have an adult, you have the child, 707 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: and then and the child may not be living up 708 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: to the physical and mental expectations of the parents. How 709 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: do you deal with that? So the love and the 710 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,280 Speaker 1: in the not lawering the standards, but raising the love 711 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: and being able to push that child at that level 712 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: to their maximum efforts. How do you balance that because 713 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: you're dealing with all three. You're dealing with the lessons, 714 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: you're dealing with the children, and you're dealing with the adults. 715 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: So in parenting, when we are providing parenting training. One 716 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: of the things, one of the main lessons that we 717 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:44,280 Speaker 1: teach is that the love and affection, celebration of life, 718 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: those things should not be contingent upon expectations or what 719 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: we define as good behavior. It should never right. And 720 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: so sometimes I'll have parents say, or what, we canceled 721 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: his birthday party because he was blah blah blah blah right, 722 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: he didn't listen, he got in trouble. And so we 723 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: have to help parents understand what's healthy to have as 724 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: contingencies because a lot of parenting is very performance based, 725 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: and then we grow up as adults and we are 726 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 1: over performers, we are perfectionists. We're not living happy lives. 727 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: And where does that come from? That comes from performance 728 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 1: based parenting. Where I love you when I say when 729 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,959 Speaker 1: I believe you're doing good, when the report cards all aids, 730 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: when you got that trophy at school. It is at 731 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: that point that I give you love and affection, but 732 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: when you are not meeting my expectations, I withhold my 733 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: love and affection. It causes children to understand that love 734 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: depends on fill in the blank, and that's a that's 735 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: a problem for a lot of marriages too. I always 736 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: say when you say I love you, because everything after 737 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: the word because becomes a condition. And so we have 738 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: to actually teach parents how to unconditionally love and accept 739 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: their children. And half the time parents who parent that 740 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: way is because they were parented that way. And so 741 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: it's about going back and breaking those generational understanding, those 742 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: generational choices, those generational curses, in order to set the 743 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: children free. One of the things also in addition to 744 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: that teaching unconditional love in our parenting, we also have 745 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: to teach that there's no such thing as good or 746 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 1: bad parenting. It's either it's effective or ineffective. And when 747 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: we are not raising children that are emotionally intelligent and 748 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: mentally stable, there is some ineffectivity in the way that 749 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: a person parents, And then it gives us an opportunity 750 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: to teach parents new skills. New skills are really the key. 751 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: It's when they seem a series of questions for me 752 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 1: to include in my interview, which you I'm speaking with 753 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: Shell They and Fan. She's a licensed in the state 754 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: of Florida mental health counselor. She also has another organization 755 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 1: called as Shelley Consulting LLCEE where she consults with individuals, businesses, ministries, 756 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 1: and organization to maximize performance and productivity. That's how we 757 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: talked about that productivity, especially coming out of the COVID experience, 758 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: but also came out of the COVID experience was two 759 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: words that I heard a lot, conflict resolution, and I 760 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: heard it a lot in law enforcement. Confluent resolution. Of course, 761 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, confluence happens in everything, happens in children, happens 762 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: in relationships, happens in the two adults trying to get 763 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: into the same door going into a seven elevel. So 764 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: we need to work conflict resolution. I'm sure that's been 765 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: a prominent part of your conversations. How what exactly does 766 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:53,439 Speaker 1: that mean? Conflict resolution? Well, it means that it's it's 767 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,240 Speaker 1: basically a process by which we manage on met expectations. 768 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: Because when you think about conflict, conflict is a problem. 769 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,720 Speaker 1: It's a nice word for problems. Problems are always rooted 770 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: in an expectation that wasn't meant. Think of a problem 771 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: right now, think of problems that you dealt with. It 772 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: always goes back to a an expectation that you had 773 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: of someone something, an outcome that you were expecting and 774 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: the expectation wasn't meant, and so conflict resolution teaches skill 775 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: sets on how to manage that distress. If that conflict 776 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: is with another person, Conflict resolution teaches how to have 777 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: those courageous conversations and be solution focused in it. How 778 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: do you manage your emotions that disappointment, that anger, that frustration, 779 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: How do you manage that in order to get to 780 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: a resolution with someone that you want to preserve a 781 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: relationship with. Sometimes the resolution is deuces, and that's okay too, 782 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 1: But conflict resolution is about that. And one of the 783 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: things that I teach as a corporate trainer is a 784 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: lot of the time when we say conflict resolution, what 785 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: we're trying to say is conflict management. Why because we 786 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: may not always resolve our conflict the resolution maybe that 787 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: we're just gonna agree to disagree. Is that a resolve? 788 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: Well maybe not, But it's a way that we're managing 789 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: conflict so that we can still be affective, we can 790 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: still be partners, we can still be married, we can 791 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: still be co parents, we could still you know, be 792 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 1: effective and work towards the go. Conflict management is always 793 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: the key. We'll be right back with more Money Making 794 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 1: Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now let's return to Money 795 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. Conflict management can be 796 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 1: sectioned off. You know, when you're when you're in a 797 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,839 Speaker 1: police officer, that's a separate conflict management. When you go 798 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 1: in for mediation with parenting, that's a separate conflict management 799 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 1: resolution discussion, as well as in a girlfriend or a 800 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: partner relationship or husband and wife relationship, because there's certain 801 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: contractual agreements that you have when you get married. A 802 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize you've signed a contract, you know, 803 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: where when you're just a partner, a girlfriend, boy for 804 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: you can go do somehout, you know, depending on if 805 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,439 Speaker 1: you've moved in with that person, then that's a different duce. 806 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: There's a certain mediation that's the conflict can get kind 807 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: of kind of dicey. But and and and talking to 808 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,359 Speaker 1: you in mental health and and you know, it all 809 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 1: goes back to stress. It always goes back to am 810 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: I living up to my personal standards? Then? And then 811 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 1: if you're not living up your personal standards, are you're 812 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 1: living up to your kids stand are you living up 813 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: to your job standards, So you can just put all 814 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: this weight on your back and like that that little 815 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 1: image of that guy holding up the world Atlas holding 816 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: you can feel like that person and guess what, it 817 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: may never come off of you unless you learn how 818 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,720 Speaker 1: to handle stress. Now I've always felt that, you know, stress, 819 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: for me, I handled a lot of different ways. Uh, 820 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 1: even when I when I bought a house in Atlanta, 821 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 1: I made sure I had water near me, or I 822 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: go near water. I just watched that calmness of the water, 823 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: and it's just just seeing it. It just really brings 824 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: me down. And So because I'm not agar cigar smoker, 825 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't drink wine, so everything's always one on me. 826 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,919 Speaker 1: And so how I deal with that. I love to bake. 827 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: I love to cook, you know, because it's a short 828 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,320 Speaker 1: term window and I can see success. Sometimes stress is 829 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 1: tied to goals. So and then in my office I 830 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 1: have a garden and so I have this forty five 831 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: day window where I can see tomatoes, I can see okraw, 832 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: I can see collar greens, and so that's how ideal 833 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: with stress. And as I'm just giving those examples of 834 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: because there's so many different ways. But I time, I 835 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: tend to tie short time which short term windows too 836 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,280 Speaker 1: to be able, especially if you're goal order in person 837 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 1: like me and you have these long committed plans where 838 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,719 Speaker 1: you it's a month of whales a year way, or 839 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,880 Speaker 1: you're not even reaching your goals. Well, I can go 840 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: out to my garden. I can want me to cherry 841 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 1: tomatoes and I'm happy. So when you say stress management, 842 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: am I in the right direction? Chilly? You are? Absolutely 843 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: you hit the veil on the head. Stress management is 844 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:19,720 Speaker 1: about under first and foremost understanding the importance of having 845 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: practical wellness tools. What you just talked about. Our wellness tools. 846 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 1: I garden. I make sure that I am living by 847 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: the water, and you know I have these. I give 848 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,839 Speaker 1: myself an opportunity to achieve success. That's what that is like. 849 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: I want to be able to see the tomatoes growing. 850 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,280 Speaker 1: That's success. These are wellness tools, and unfortunately many people 851 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: don't have many. They may have one or two tools 852 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: that they use. So if my tool is a glass 853 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 1: of wine and sleep, that I'm not dealing with my 854 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,839 Speaker 1: stress because the tools that I'm using are very avoidant. 855 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: And so we teach how to classify your stressors into 856 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 1: two main categories. What stressors are avoidable and what stressors 857 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,560 Speaker 1: are unavoidable? Because the ones that are avoidable, that we 858 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: need to be strategic about avoiding them in a healthy way, 859 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 1: because escape avoidance sometimes becomes very unhealthy. You're not really 860 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 1: living life because you're just living in escape avoidance, just 861 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,359 Speaker 1: running from those stressors. So in a healthy way, how 862 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: do we avoid those avoidable stressors? And how do we 863 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 1: manage our stress in those unavoidable stressors? And I am 864 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: telling you in the twenty four years that I have 865 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: been in practice, there are so many people out there 866 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,720 Speaker 1: that do not know how to Here's a word. Here's 867 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 1: a word, and that is decompressed. Like decompressed. What do 868 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 1: you do to decompress? Because if you're trying to manage 869 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: your stress, but you don't have the capacity to decompress, 870 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,399 Speaker 1: it's gonna be very difficult to manage the stress. So 871 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: of course we teach, you know, a good planning, making 872 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 1: sure that we teach harmony versus balance, teach make sure 873 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 1: that you are around people that are going to pour 874 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: life into your accountability partnerships, set realistic goals. But but 875 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,839 Speaker 1: deeper than that has to be the capacity to decompress. 876 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,359 Speaker 1: That's your ability to take your anger from a ten 877 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 1: to a six, your anxiety from a seven two a three, 878 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 1: leaving your office and going at home and understanding you 879 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 1: have to change roles. Now, your hats have to change. 880 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: There has to be an exchange made either at your 881 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,879 Speaker 1: front door or on your way home so that you're 882 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 1: not bringing that energy into your sanctuary. Decompression is key, 883 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: and there are people that don't know this. They have 884 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 1: to learn how, and that's why therapy is so effective. Again, 885 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm speaking to Shelley fan Fan. I'm a fan of 886 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 1: fan Fan Okay, and she's like State of Florida mental 887 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 1: health counselor and also she deals with what I'd like 888 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: to talk about the conversation. We don't have children have 889 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,279 Speaker 1: mental health. They are not tied to the words that 890 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: we use because there's so many stress levels the kids 891 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,800 Speaker 1: have to do. Because we have technology, you know, video 892 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: games create stress. Uh, just being able to have apps 893 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,560 Speaker 1: create stress. The fact that your child and yourself are 894 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,720 Speaker 1: tied to a phone, so they're they're prevoud the conversations 895 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 1: while you're driving in the car. That was not privy 896 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,239 Speaker 1: when I was growing up and we drove, we drove, 897 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,920 Speaker 1: We got the car. Now you're on the phone. That 898 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 1: child may want that attention, but you're given all that 899 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: attention to the person you're dealing on the phone. They 900 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,399 Speaker 1: may hear your stress levels and they pick that up. 901 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,960 Speaker 1: So I know that your world. Sometimes you're inviting that 902 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,239 Speaker 1: stress into your child's life because of technology. So I 903 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,320 Speaker 1: want to close what you give me us some pointers 904 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:03,400 Speaker 1: on overcoming life obstacle. Absolutely, And are you talking about 905 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,359 Speaker 1: in terms of children? Because you hit something, you hit, 906 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,440 Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head. When you talked 907 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: about children watching how their parents handle stress, how children 908 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: learn by watching their parents managing their stress, managing conflict 909 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,759 Speaker 1: and things of that nature. And so a lot of 910 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 1: times when parents come in and they sign up for 911 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 1: therapy for their kids, do you know what we do? 912 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,719 Speaker 1: We asked them to sign up themselves first, because our 913 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: children are sponges, and it's very important that caregivers are 914 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,880 Speaker 1: tapping into their own mental health so that they can 915 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,440 Speaker 1: be better examples for their children and that stress in childhood. 916 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you mentioned that because it's key 917 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 1: and all of this emphasis on gaming and winning and 918 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,400 Speaker 1: likes and shares and all of that, one thing that 919 00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 1: I want to say here. And I could go on 920 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 1: and on about this, but I'm going to keep it brief. 921 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:06,880 Speaker 1: Parents have to encourage peer interactions. You can negotiate with 922 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,480 Speaker 1: your kids. Four hours of peer interaction gets you one 923 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: hour of gaming. Like, we have to make sure that 924 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,239 Speaker 1: our children are still connecting with their peers. That's so important. 925 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,239 Speaker 1: That peer interaction is so important and alleviates a lot 926 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: of the internal distress that children deal with on a 927 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,120 Speaker 1: day to day basis. And we have to make sure 928 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 1: that children have the opportunity to express themselves. This idea 929 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 1: that children should be seen and not heard, that's like 930 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 1: a thing of the past. That is unhealthy. It causes 931 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,799 Speaker 1: mental illness. We have kids that are cutting themselves, they 932 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,800 Speaker 1: are self mutilating. We have to allow children to speak 933 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 1: their minds and parents have to give them the space 934 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,480 Speaker 1: to do that. Well. I want to thank you Chilling. 935 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,480 Speaker 1: And like I said, I am based in Atlanta, Georgia. 936 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 1: I know you're licensed in Florida. You make trips to Georgia. 937 00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,440 Speaker 1: Please make time and come over. We can talk stress free. 938 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: You know. I can show you my guard I can 939 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,480 Speaker 1: make some sauce right in front of you with the 940 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: holla opinions. I freshly picked the onions, I freshly picked 941 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,120 Speaker 1: the cilantro. I freshly picked in the hockey ChIL beef 942 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: steaf tomatoes that we're gonna stred up and enjoy. Of course, 943 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,760 Speaker 1: the chips are going to be storeball. I can't do everything. 944 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,520 Speaker 1: Get okay, but again, U I, I appreciate your smiles, 945 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,040 Speaker 1: appreciate you and the more important to honest conversation. That's 946 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,640 Speaker 1: why a couple of bringing on Money Making Conversations master Class. 947 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 1: So no, you have a home here, to be able 948 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,759 Speaker 1: to afform to be able to communicate, and I like 949 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,840 Speaker 1: to believe that the conversation I was able to deliver 950 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: you was one of honesty and one that you was 951 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:42,080 Speaker 1: able to expound on and deliver information for my audience. Okay, absolutely, 952 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,000 Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Cool. If you want to 953 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,799 Speaker 1: hear or see this interview on money Making Conversations, UH, 954 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 1: go to money Making Conversation dot com. I'm with Sean McDonald. 955 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,800 Speaker 1: I am your host. 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