WEBVTT - Pimps, Porn and Prostitution, Another Diddy Hearing That Could Set Him Free

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks. It is Thursday, September the twenty fifth, and

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<v Speaker 1>the question being asked in court today is it prostitution

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<v Speaker 1>if you paid to watch two other people have sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ and Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where we are. Diddy has not been in

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<v Speaker 1>that court room since his conviction in July. He was

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<v Speaker 1>in there today making an argument for why his conviction

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<v Speaker 1>should be thrown out and key to it, what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>is prostitution?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm curious about this concept. Did the lawyers get

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<v Speaker 2>into this the way they did today in this hearing

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<v Speaker 2>during trial? Are they trying a new tactic out so

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<v Speaker 2>to speak, to undo the convictions that did go down.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of the argument is he was not convicted of

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<v Speaker 1>the harsher countclose other three harsh counts. That means that

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<v Speaker 1>the jury doesn't think he was guilty of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It means these chargers wouldn't even exist. If he's not

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of that stuff, these charges shouldn't even be here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the arguments that they are making. So

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<v Speaker 1>they tried to make the case during the trial through

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<v Speaker 1>witness testimony and whatnot. Here is a case where now

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<v Speaker 1>they are putting it on paper in emotion, and today

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<v Speaker 1>they got in court. So to get you caught up, folks, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Diddy Combs was in court today. He did have

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<v Speaker 1>a hearing that wrapped up a little while ago as

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<v Speaker 1>of this recording, but it went about ninety minutes and

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<v Speaker 1>his lawyers and the prosecution were making an argument. Their

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<v Speaker 1>motion is that they think his convictions for transportation to

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<v Speaker 1>engage in prostitution should be thrown out, and they've asked

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<v Speaker 1>the judge to do so. We are on standby as

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<v Speaker 1>we sit here, Robes. He was very vague about when

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<v Speaker 1>we were going to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>From you, did he say? Shortly? A decision very shortly,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has to be very surely. We don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that means within thirty minutes, a couple hours tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>but it has to be within a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 2>time because his sentencing hearing is set exactly a week

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<v Speaker 2>from today, where we will find out if this doesn't work,

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<v Speaker 2>If this option doesn't work for Diddy, just how long

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<v Speaker 2>will he have to serve behind bars? So, yes, it's timely, indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, very shortly is tough to nail down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it could be today, it could be overnight tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't know. But if we hear from this judge,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's okay. You've read more about the legal

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<v Speaker 1>experts than I have, and most of them are saying

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<v Speaker 1>not a chance in hell right correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone says this is a hail Mary is how it's

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<v Speaker 2>being described, and if you're a football fan, you know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what that means. But it's that last past to

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<v Speaker 2>see if you can suddenly score a touchdown when no

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<v Speaker 2>one was expecting you to. Everyone thought you were gonna lose,

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<v Speaker 2>and suddenly bam.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unlikely, but sometimes it works.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason why everyone says it's so unlikely is

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<v Speaker 2>because they're looking at this judge's past behavior, his past decisions,

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<v Speaker 2>and they all have. He has stated very clearly that

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<v Speaker 2>he believes that Shawan Didtycombs is a violent man, is

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<v Speaker 2>a dangerous man, and that is why he denied him bail,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is been very consistent in making those types

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<v Speaker 2>of statements and the decisions that follow.

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<v Speaker 1>We've lost how many times the count of how many

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<v Speaker 1>times they have tried to get this man out of jail.

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<v Speaker 1>They have come up with, we will do anything you want, judge,

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<v Speaker 1>including the fifty million, put any security anything you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time he has said we cannot guarantee, based on

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<v Speaker 1>his behavior that he is not a threat to society

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<v Speaker 1>or to people in his world.

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<v Speaker 2>And we made the comment the last time we did

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<v Speaker 2>a full podcast on this when he was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get bail waiting for the sentencing date next week? Didn't

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<v Speaker 2>they use this same argument for why so the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why they thought he should be allowed out on bail,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like sounds a little similar to why now

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<v Speaker 2>they believe his conviction should be tossed out because they're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the Man Act and that that is the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why he was convicted, and it was unfair. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a misuse of the law to prosecute him under these charges.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, in modern times now this has mainly been used

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<v Speaker 1>for people who are benefiting from the prostitution, benefiting financially,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, a pimp for lack of a better term.

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<v Speaker 1>So why is it this guy should he be going

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<v Speaker 1>to prison for years for prostitution He didn't benefit from financially,

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<v Speaker 1>and he also did not participate physically. He didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>sex with anybody. He gave money to correct.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing that's so interesting in what we heard today.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've been hearing a lot about the First Amendment. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>We've been hearing a lot about the First Amendment when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to Charlie Kirk, when it comes to Jimmy Kimmel.

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<v Speaker 2>The First Amendment has come up now in this argument

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<v Speaker 2>to set Ditty free because they say that these videos

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<v Speaker 2>that he made were basically amateur porn videos and that

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<v Speaker 2>they were his expressive content. So this is a violation

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<v Speaker 2>of his First Amendment rights to basically say he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>allowed it is illegal for him to making these videos

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<v Speaker 2>of people he paid to have sex.

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<v Speaker 1>I am you know, I'm I'm glad to see the

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<v Speaker 1>First Amendment having its moment where.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a hell of a week for the First Amendment.

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<v Speaker 1>We're discussing it quite a bit late night comics and

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<v Speaker 1>medium moguls who are possibly going to prison for a

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<v Speaker 1>prostitution is what we're dealing with. It's fascinating to hear

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<v Speaker 1>that the law is fascinating. But yes, to think that

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<v Speaker 1>the argument for did he not going to prison is

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<v Speaker 1>that it could possibly be a violation of his First

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment right, that is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's a bit of a stretch for me.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, I wasn't in a hearing to

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<v Speaker 2>hear all the details. And these are the most brilliant

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers that money can buy, and they'd certainly proven to

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<v Speaker 2>be that. But that was a that was a my

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<v Speaker 2>eyebrows raised a little bit when I was reading about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the judge, I mean, there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>questions he gave, like several hypotheticals about prostitution today. Here

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<v Speaker 1>you go. This is when he was taking on the prosecutors.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge asked them, so, wait a minute, what if

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<v Speaker 1>a porn producer hires a couple actors, flies them in

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<v Speaker 1>and then films them having sex and they get paid,

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<v Speaker 1>are they also violators of the Man Act? Now? The

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<v Speaker 1>response from the prosecutor was, well, that's a totally different

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<v Speaker 1>set of circumstances. It's different. But that is essentially what

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<v Speaker 1>the defense is saying, Yeah, he paid some people to

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<v Speaker 1>come perform, and they perform their duty.

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<v Speaker 2>For his personal amateur porn collection.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, to be watched later. That is kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>simple A how about this? A legal simpleton like me

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<v Speaker 1>can make sense of that argument the way he put it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can too, because look, we have said this time

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<v Speaker 2>and time again following this trial so closely that if

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<v Speaker 2>they had just or if whoever wanted to bring the

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<v Speaker 2>charges had filed charges against him for domestic assault, domestic battery,

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<v Speaker 2>these charges would have stuck. They would have made sense.

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<v Speaker 2>He admitted to them. What they decided to do was

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<v Speaker 2>go for these big charges with these longer prison sentences,

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<v Speaker 2>and now they're having to explain their way out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and there is some it makes sense that there is

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<v Speaker 2>some legal potential legal loopholes for the defense to poke

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<v Speaker 2>holes in at least and to say, hey, they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to say all this. But in a sense, all he

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<v Speaker 2>was doing was sexually gratifying himself by making videos of

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<v Speaker 2>other people who were having sex together. He wasn't involved,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was watching, he was recording. He set it

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<v Speaker 2>up like a movie set, I mean, he was producing it.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted a lot of baby oil, he wanted he

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<v Speaker 2>had very specific needs that he wanted for things to

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<v Speaker 2>look a certain way, to be a certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>That was part of the argument. He stayed clearly, he

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to film something and there was a performance.

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<v Speaker 1>This was role playaging something. God's the argument, and in

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<v Speaker 1>doing so he had every right to do so, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to put him in prison for it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a violation of his First Amendment rights he has

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<v Speaker 1>protected under the Constitution to make freak off videos. Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>is a good country. It's an amazing country when you

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<v Speaker 1>think about that. Yeah, aside from all the other stuff

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, we're not talking about the violence here

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<v Speaker 1>and in all of.

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<v Speaker 2>This, because that's not what the charges are, not what

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<v Speaker 2>the convictions were.

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<v Speaker 1>On, not what we're talking about. But they want to

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<v Speaker 1>make the argument that yes, he was only they might

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<v Speaker 1>be lesser charges, but they are aggravating circumstances that we

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<v Speaker 1>all know about, and that is what the judge has

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<v Speaker 1>signals he's going to take into account.

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<v Speaker 2>And Babe, we were having this conversation earlier because I

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<v Speaker 2>was looking at several news reports that were basically saying

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<v Speaker 2>that in this hearing today, the defense is setting up

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<v Speaker 2>their arguments for the sentencing that they're asking for next week.

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<v Speaker 2>So all of this will be taken into account. Even

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<v Speaker 2>if the judge decides, and we expect him to decide

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<v Speaker 2>not to give Diddy at least, or to throw out

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<v Speaker 2>the charges, or even to give him a new trial

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<v Speaker 2>still what we heard today in court will likely be

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<v Speaker 2>applied towards his sentencing.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, would you say, the best legal team in the country,

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<v Speaker 1>they know what they're doing. Even if we lose this,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to help us win or lessen what happens

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<v Speaker 1>next week. So next week, I mean, this is sweetheart.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a huge divergence in what they're asking for

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of his prison time. The defense is asking

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<v Speaker 1>for as little as possible. Fourteen months, he's served thirteen already,

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<v Speaker 1>homeboy be out, maybe even by Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they said, with credit for time served or

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<v Speaker 2>for good behavior, sorry good behavior that actually he could

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<v Speaker 2>walk out that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Potentially good behavior. It counts right. It's cutting a little up.

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<v Speaker 2>And they went into long discussions about how great he's been,

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<v Speaker 2>how stellar of an inmate he's been, how he's setting

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<v Speaker 2>up these classes for inmates to learn how to be

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<v Speaker 2>businessmen and how to do good and be better and

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<v Speaker 2>make their own money when they get out of prison.

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<v Speaker 2>So they were showing what he's done in prison, what

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<v Speaker 2>he's done behind bars, not just good behavior, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>been a leader in all the right ways behind bars.

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<v Speaker 1>All that stuff was important and doesn't make you remember

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<v Speaker 1>the Menindez brothers who were denied right getting out, and

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<v Speaker 1>so much came up about their conduct in prison. Everybody was, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been model prisoners.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out they weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Parobo, you did this, you did all that

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<v Speaker 1>little stuff matters, And if it's true that he has

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<v Speaker 1>been a model prisoner, the judge may very well and

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<v Speaker 1>can take that into account. Good job. Again, this is

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<v Speaker 1>part of the legal strategy as well. Whoever his lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>were from day one. They say, Yep, you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>jail today. You need to behave and be the best

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<v Speaker 1>you can every single day because it's going to matter

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<v Speaker 1>down the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and here we are now, and if you do

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<v Speaker 2>have someone planning ahead, I mean, that does make a

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<v Speaker 2>huge difference in terms of how the judge is going

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<v Speaker 2>to view how long you have to continue behind bars

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. So, yes, they want fourteen months, which

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<v Speaker 2>would essentially mean he would walk next week, give or

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<v Speaker 2>take a few weeks or so. But the defense initially sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution initially said they wanted five to six years.

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<v Speaker 2>But now they're being coy about it. We don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>They haven't actually filed the paperwork to say exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>much longer they'd like him to serve, but it has

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<v Speaker 2>been rumored and I've seen multiple reports that the prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>are going to ask for even longer, that they want

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<v Speaker 2>an even longer sentence than the five to six years

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<v Speaker 2>that they had initially discussed a couple months ago. There

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<v Speaker 2>now it seems as though they may ask for even more.

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<v Speaker 1>What is about to happen rogues. All of this, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>right now is on the table. He could be he

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<v Speaker 1>could have those convictions tossed as at any moment and

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<v Speaker 1>get out of prison. He could have those convictions stand

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<v Speaker 1>but still next week be sentenced and still walk right

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<v Speaker 1>out of prison. Or he could be sentenced and be

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<v Speaker 1>in jail for the next seven years.

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<v Speaker 2>Or he could also get a new trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what they're asking for as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are four potential outcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>But we will know very shortly. But we do want

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you, folks, stay here. We're going to take

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<v Speaker 1>a beat, but we want you to hear a little

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<v Speaker 1>color from the courtroom today and also what Diddy allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>said to his family about his future.

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<v Speaker 2>And welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ,

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<v Speaker 2>where we are talking about Sean Dittycomb's hearing today in court,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, we talked about what's at stake. We know

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<v Speaker 2>what the defense is asking for. We're waiting for the

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<v Speaker 2>judge who could come out at any moment now and

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<v Speaker 2>tell us his decision and what's on the table. Will

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<v Speaker 2>they throw out the charges against him, will they give

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<v Speaker 2>him a new trial? If neither one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>goes forward, then we have sentencing next week. So either way,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get some big developments here today, within

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<v Speaker 2>the next couple of hours, maybe tomorrow, and certainly next week.

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<v Speaker 2>But what happened today, we haven't seen Didty in three months,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a big deal to see him come

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<v Speaker 2>out in court today with a big smile. He was

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<v Speaker 2>described as having a big smile on his face when

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<v Speaker 2>he walked into that courtroom this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a big day. He knows this is wrapping

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<v Speaker 1>up and he is going to know his fate. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the the ups and downs of this. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's looking at him and thinking he is a victim

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<v Speaker 1>or feel sorry for him, and I understand that, but

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<v Speaker 1>you remember the day the verdicts were read. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a day he could have found out he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to possibly go away for life. But the news he

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<v Speaker 1>heard was so good with the two convictions. Remember he

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<v Speaker 1>dropped to his knees. Yes, thank you Jesus, all these things.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they thought he might get out of jail

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<v Speaker 1>that day. They did big no, so he had to stay.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a disappointment. So now here he is again. With

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<v Speaker 1>all these options. He really could be out of there

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<v Speaker 1>in no time, or he might have another five, six,

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<v Speaker 1>seven years.

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<v Speaker 2>But he seemed I mean maybe he you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you have a lot of time to work on

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<v Speaker 2>your mental health and to work on your spiritual health.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he seemed to be very positive, not just smiling,

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<v Speaker 2>but waving to his family and friends. He didn't speak

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<v Speaker 2>today during the hearing, but he was blowing kisses to

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<v Speaker 2>his family. At the end, he told his mother how

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful she looked today. And he did have some final

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<v Speaker 2>parting words for the family and friends who came out

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<v Speaker 2>to see him.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is looks what the reporters in the room

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<v Speaker 1>say that he did say to his family, quote, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you all for coming. I love you all so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Every hour, every day is me getting closer to going home.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got some big plans for us, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>from the reporters in the room. What he said to

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<v Speaker 1>his family as he was exiting. I guess so what

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<v Speaker 1>that means. That's curious, But he I think sick. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>six kids that were in the court today. He had

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<v Speaker 1>a big showing of family today.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting because that is an extreme positive way

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<v Speaker 2>and a positive message to his family, a positive way

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<v Speaker 2>to phrase what he's looking at and what his future

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<v Speaker 2>may look like. But you'd think his lawyers would be

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<v Speaker 2>giving him some indication as to what they think might happen.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd think they'd give him some level of expectation. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they'd tell him we have no idea. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>curious what they're saying to him to keep him or

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<v Speaker 2>at least to help give him some hope at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Manage expectations or me, I want you to tell me

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<v Speaker 1>the worst case scenario. Don't give me too much hope

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<v Speaker 1>and this thing. But why wouldn't he I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 1>gotten this far and by all accounts, this was a

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<v Speaker 1>victory for his defense team. To go from facing life

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<v Speaker 1>to possibly getting out in a little over a year

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<v Speaker 1>of serving time after all of this is pretty remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are on stand by. We'll stay on stand by.

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<v Speaker 1>Look up, the judge comes out and says something will

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<v Speaker 1>hop back on as necessary. We want to give you

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<v Speaker 1>this update, and we haven't done a Diddy update, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a while. Right back up, right, this was so

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<v Speaker 1>much of our lives from a month and a half

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<v Speaker 1>it felt like. But now this is wrapping up for real.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is going to be huge either way, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll find out more about what Diddy's fate looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>And look after he said I'm coming every day, every

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<v Speaker 2>hour and coming closer to home. He said, don't worry

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<v Speaker 2>about nothing, no matter what it is, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with whatever it is. So that gives you a

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<v Speaker 2>sense of his state of mind, that he is at

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<v Speaker 2>a place of acceptance, hopeful acceptance is what it sounded

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<v Speaker 2>like to me today from Sean Ditty Cums.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, folks, we always appreciate you hanging with

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<v Speaker 1>us for my dear Amy Robot. I'm TJ. Holmes. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk to y'all soon.