Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh, I see you? Why why and
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that nulture? Yes? Goodness, let
Speaker 1: ding dong, let's culture. ESA's calling I love you, I
Speaker 1: love you. We have to set a tone of everyone
Speaker 1: telling each other that they love each other. And for
Speaker 1: what reason? What's the function? There's a lot of hate
Speaker 1: in the world, yes, and we have to drive that
Speaker 1: out with a love. Come on, Maryanne, come on Mary.
Speaker 1: And this is kind of a cultural news right mean
Speaker 1: at the time, at the time of recording, uh, do
Speaker 1: you see Lissen Milan. I was going to Marianne's fundraiser. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was actually recently and a friend of the pod,
Speaker 1: Ira Madison the Third, was there, so I got some
Speaker 1: of the team from her. Can we can we know
Speaker 1: about the team? You can hear some of the guests?
Speaker 1: What did miss Ira? Oh? Please across? It was to stop.
Speaker 1: So I was hosted by Laura dr Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: M not kidding? You, said Marcia Cross and I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nowhere to go from there. Famously, Lord,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but yeah, but we're roommates for
Speaker 1: people that don't know at home. For what there was
Speaker 1: there was a little brief period of a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks where we were people were like it could have
Speaker 1: been a contentious thing, where like they were roommates and
Speaker 1: it was a bad situation. And now they no longer
Speaker 1: spelled to each other due to the fact that she
Speaker 1: due to the fact that she be hosting fundraisers for
Speaker 1: Ms Marian Williamson author, They're on great terms, they must be,
Speaker 1: and I could find it, but those are okay. Where
Speaker 1: are you at now with Mary Anston? Because truly, I
Speaker 1: mean at the time, I mean, we we recorded, we
Speaker 1: recorded an episode like the day after those debates, and
Speaker 1: we were all like, oh my god, l O L
Speaker 1: isn't she so fun? Well, Shane in last place that
Speaker 1: she's certainly in sixteen posted Evan Gillian meme and that
Speaker 1: was when I was like a fucking Evon Gelli meme.
Speaker 1: This anime with some wild wacky, wacky wacky woo woo
Speaker 1: um thing about late capitalism and how it should be
Speaker 1: it should lead to love or whatever or whatever some
Speaker 1: wild thing, and I was like, this is too much
Speaker 1: and I'm out. Sorry, No, I mean, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're out, but like we're not mad. We're not mad.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I was in and engaged as far as
Speaker 1: far as like um, as far as like we're entertained
Speaker 1: by it, yes, and then now you were scary, Sudy.
Speaker 1: I talked to Sudy about it, and she was like,
Speaker 1: I think this makes us look stupid. I was like,
Speaker 1: I do, I do get that, and of course, like
Speaker 1: it is funny like that she said, and all that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a funny thing. How far I could
Speaker 1: go is a question I ask, which is a scary
Speaker 1: question that maybe with a scary answer, which she won't
Speaker 1: be the nominee, but come on, um, but I will
Speaker 1: say um. Elissa Milano did tweet about it. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going, I'm going to my first fundraiser of this
Speaker 1: season and it's Maryanne Williamson. I know, I know, she
Speaker 1: literally said, I know, I know, but she's the only
Speaker 1: one talking about like how the soul of America is hurting.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know what that means, honey.
Speaker 1: I guess just fluttered her hands in like a panic.
Speaker 1: And I feel that. I feel that other guests, other
Speaker 1: other guests at the fact I couldn't rattle them off,
Speaker 1: but just suffice it to say, then what you're getting,
Speaker 1: you're getting the Marcia Cross of it all. Williamson Fundraise.
Speaker 1: I think, how do you feel? But I feel like
Speaker 1: Marcia Cross had done been wronged by this industry. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: actually do you know Marcia Cross. The last I saw her,
Speaker 1: she was on morning news shows talking about she actually
Speaker 1: had rector and she she was out of commission for
Speaker 1: a little while to deal with the rectoral cancer. She
Speaker 1: very bravely. I think it was like speaking out about
Speaker 1: the recto cancer because you know, that's uncomfortable to talk
Speaker 1: about and obviously there's gonna be a ton of stigma
Speaker 1: or something like that. But I would, well, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: just say right now, I have been dealing in my
Speaker 1: family with someone who's recently diagnosed with prostate cancer. Please
Speaker 1: get checked, you know what I mean? This is something
Speaker 1: that and and just be going to the doctor um
Speaker 1: and just know that this is you don't have to
Speaker 1: feel ashamed about that kind of thing. Like it's what's
Speaker 1: shameful is if you end up getting really sick or
Speaker 1: going because you didn't say anything or didn't do anything,
Speaker 1: because it's a pride thing. Like I get it, it's
Speaker 1: your it's your fucking butthole or it's your you know,
Speaker 1: they're your breasts or whatever, but you got you have
Speaker 1: to take care of yourself. Um yeah, that has to
Speaker 1: do with like whatever stigmatizing ananomy, which is like so
Speaker 1: it just makes no sense just saying like, you know,
Speaker 1: the fact, the fact that I faint even was a
Speaker 1: discussion with this Martial Cross thing of like so brave
Speaker 1: of you the stigma, Yes it is. It's also like deeply,
Speaker 1: deeply deeply like your health and you you have to
Speaker 1: put your health first. And honestly, I was actually really
Speaker 1: really um moved that she was so forward about this,
Speaker 1: like and and and you know, went out there and Speakause,
Speaker 1: when do you hear about people in the public eye
Speaker 1: discussing the kind of cancer like that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like it does raise awareness in the house people.
Speaker 1: So who know, we get here from Mary Ann Williams Now,
Speaker 1: I sure now I know you. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we've had this discussion, but um, we've talked about Desperate House.
Speaker 1: I have so much, so much, and I know you're
Speaker 1: a longoria ahead, but I think my favorite character out
Speaker 1: of the four is Brie. And I think I think
Speaker 1: Marsha Cross did such good work. They did Marcia Cross
Speaker 1: by not giving her the Emmy that year that Felicity
Speaker 1: won the Emmy. That was Marsha Cross as Emmy. God.
Speaker 1: You know what scene I think about constantly and I've
Speaker 1: brought I've I've quoted it on the podcast before. But
Speaker 1: when it's it's remember the whole Andrew coming out plotline
Speaker 1: in season two. The only good plotline from season two
Speaker 1: was Andrew and it's a fund up. Remember when Andrew
Speaker 1: fux her boyfriend, Yes, and then oh, I know what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do, but that but that what she throws
Speaker 1: the wine where like we're um, like she is not
Speaker 1: allowing Andrew to be immansa hated or whatever. Um. And
Speaker 1: she's like dumping out bottles of wine because she's about
Speaker 1: to go to a A and she's like being very
Speaker 1: proud of like I'm going to go to a A
Speaker 1: and it's going to be fun and whatever. I'm making
Speaker 1: this work. Um. She's dumping up bottles. Then Andrew at
Speaker 1: one point again into some fighting, and Andrew calls says,
Speaker 1: your stone called bitch, you know that, and then I've
Speaker 1: done this before in the past, I need to do
Speaker 1: it again. Um. She throws a bottle of wine from
Speaker 1: across the room and it hits the frigent shatters, and
Speaker 1: and this is the whole the opposite of Levison and hate.
Speaker 1: It's in difference and different. She's I mean, Marcia was
Speaker 1: stunning that whole first season, and that character I actually
Speaker 1: a friend of mine. Jordan Ardino wrote on Desperate House,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Jordan riverdsk and I was for Desperaged
Speaker 1: because and he knows for smash and so like he,
Speaker 1: I was got he You know, I love talking to
Speaker 1: him about Desper House because truly, like that was like
Speaker 1: V show. And what I'm working obsessed with is that
Speaker 1: our guest is nodding her head off when we talk
Speaker 1: about this, which means it also was a formative piece
Speaker 1: of culture for her. And that's something I'm excited to
Speaker 1: talk to her, very excited to talk to our guest.
Speaker 1: And who is our guests? Pray tell God, I gotta say,
Speaker 1: like our guest, I I heard, I saw our guests perform.
Speaker 1: I heard her on a podcast. Truly, do you hear that?
Speaker 1: Do you hear what? I hear? Sounds of chaos outside
Speaker 1: of your It's like that's our fan club. That is
Speaker 1: how intense. The fans of our guest, our guests are
Speaker 1: um I heard her, I heard our guest on a
Speaker 1: podcast and it was her and Michel win Itzki like
Speaker 1: just talking playing a game, and she was she was
Speaker 1: just cracking me up by doing and this is just
Speaker 1: the highest compliment by doing so little. She was cracking
Speaker 1: the funk up where she would like like Rachel would
Speaker 1: play this game with her, like like is this is
Speaker 1: this said this year or that thing anyway, and then
Speaker 1: she would just be like she would get answers wrong
Speaker 1: and she'd be like, God, I'm so stupid. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: such a stupid bit, like just like off hand things
Speaker 1: and then she and then I mean not to mention,
Speaker 1: like just fucking an amazing comedian, an amazing writer. And
Speaker 1: then like you know, you gotta see that the videos
Speaker 1: at Ava and her and her Twitter one of the
Speaker 1: most iconic handles, I mean one of the most iconic
Speaker 1: candles and Twitter that's taking like the world by story
Speaker 1: story rightfully. So not to like I hate to bring
Speaker 1: up the numbers in the metrics followers, what come on,
Speaker 1: I know, I never I hate bringing this up, but
Speaker 1: it's like like sucking, sucking, like something's something's happened, something's happening,
Speaker 1: and the people are talking. Here's the thing, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: A retweet is huge, actually real culture number twelve retweets huge.
Speaker 1: It means that not only did the person appreciate what
Speaker 1: they've seen, but they want to share with their community.
Speaker 1: I want to champion this work. And the Instagram handle
Speaker 1: is Victory Eva's secret um and no, I love that
Speaker 1: so much. I'm so excited. I'm so excited to welcome
Speaker 1: into your ears our guest a Victor. Okay, thank you
Speaker 1: for having me. This is ridiculous. A couple of things
Speaker 1: to say. Okay, Marcia Cross and Laura Dern are both
Speaker 1: very tall. Yeah's incredibly don't forget that. How tall are they?
Speaker 1: Do you know? I imagine Laura during his six feet Yeah,
Speaker 1: Marcia Cross probably five alive. I would in five eleven.
Speaker 1: And it's fine, Well all those things, where do you
Speaker 1: find that? Were you always tall? Always? Seventh grade? It
Speaker 1: was this dancing with Gregory Horrible, Like Gregory he had
Speaker 1: to be what he was so small, you know, Gregory?
Speaker 1: I feel like, honestly do know Gregory? Yeah, Gregory was
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, he was sort of like all dance
Speaker 1: with you. Fine, yeah, right, and so he should be
Speaker 1: so lucky and we know what he's doing now we don't,
Speaker 1: and we could look it up and maybe I will
Speaker 1: in a second. Alright, So Marcia cross, it goes like this,
Speaker 1: you and Marcia cross five eleven, Laura during six. I
Speaker 1: think it goes like that. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: a Mary and she might be tall too, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like I don't think she's she's not going
Speaker 1: to be telling So the Jill Stein of this year,
Speaker 1: do you think she'll cross over to a Green Party ticket?
Speaker 1: That feels, oh my god, can kill me, like fucking
Speaker 1: try to be honorable one time? Walking over Like the
Speaker 1: ego in all of it, I'm like, drop out, bitch,
Speaker 1: that's the strongest. That's the most presidential thing you can do.
Speaker 1: To Feld, It's crazy. The most altruistic thing is if
Speaker 1: you're doing bad, drop out. The thing is I think
Speaker 1: that she here's the thing though, if she was doing
Speaker 1: how she was doing and now she's doing better because
Speaker 1: she she's going to keep going. She has the direction
Speaker 1: because she's like that. If you're the kind of person
Speaker 1: who like is going to move up because you're dumb,
Speaker 1: drop out. Well, does that make sense? Yes? Yes, but
Speaker 1: I mean but I I don't think she's aware of that.
Speaker 1: I was reading the other day. It's like five of
Speaker 1: them are doing very well and the rest of them
Speaker 1: are doing either fine or bad. And at that point
Speaker 1: it's just like, Okay, if you're doing fine or bad,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, and dropped out quietly. Yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you for playing. No worries, Yeah, no worries. Would you
Speaker 1: do you think about you? You're you're on the swallow kick?
Speaker 1: You thought Eric did a good job? You keep bringing
Speaker 1: him up because I would fuck him so that so
Speaker 1: you're on most of them? I would would, Okay, remind me,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, I would honestly fun anyone with
Speaker 1: the ego to do this. Yes, yeah, which is the
Speaker 1: which is I? Regardless of gender? I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know any of the candidates who I didn't know before
Speaker 1: the debate, Like I watched and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: who's that? No big deal? Who's that? No big deal?
Speaker 1: It just was too much information and I'm sort of
Speaker 1: like here to destroy betto. Yeah, and that's it. I mean,
Speaker 1: but you would, oh my god, I basically sucked up.
Speaker 1: It'll look like, but I can't get into it because
Speaker 1: I'm very sad. No. See, that's the kind of guy
Speaker 1: who ruin your fucking life. I know. I think I
Speaker 1: would have sex. I think so confident probably comes and
Speaker 1: then it's like, sorry, I gotta go. I think I
Speaker 1: think the Veneers. I think the veneerest cracking on him
Speaker 1: in a way that for me, I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I see you sweat and bitch, that's not hot. I
Speaker 1: totally gone for me. I would suck Amy. I would.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I would. I would put a
Speaker 1: baby in Amy. Yeah. That that's that's stuff about bottoming
Speaker 1: for Hillary. I would fully bottom for Amy. And also,
Speaker 1: here's the thing about Amy. You want me to do
Speaker 1: my job. If you throw a binder at me, I'm
Speaker 1: ten times that's how you run. I was talking about
Speaker 1: Betto's wife Amy, I talk fuck Amy. Yeah. But the
Speaker 1: thing about Betto and now that his confidence is knocked
Speaker 1: a little bit, it's like, now that I know he
Speaker 1: has like a self esteem issue, I can't change it
Speaker 1: as fast enough. That's interesting. I mean, if you tell
Speaker 1: me you have a self esteem is I can't you're
Speaker 1: as fast enough? Oh my god. Really that's awesome, dude,
Speaker 1: kind huge for you because I'm like, oh, it's he's
Speaker 1: going to be easy for me. And I would like
Speaker 1: to because confident as you because I'm also up. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Is it horrible? All of it? Like vulnerability and stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I love vulnerability. Now, I love vulnerability.
Speaker 1: I haven't felt the payoff of vulnerability in a couple
Speaker 1: of days, you know, like sometimes that feels like a
Speaker 1: long I don't know. I'm I'm coming off of like
Speaker 1: you're going through something. I brought Seltzer, Like what am
Speaker 1: I up? You know you brought you brought four Seltzers
Speaker 1: and it's like, obviously the prices. Do you want the Seltzer?
Speaker 1: That's for you? She has one because here's the thing,
Speaker 1: because now the Seltzer is just gonna sit here and
Speaker 1: it's going to be this reminder of this person. Now,
Speaker 1: well are you do you want to talk about it?
Speaker 1: I'll give you the lowdown, give us sort of like
Speaker 1: the lowdown. Um. I was like I basically was in
Speaker 1: like two serious relationships and it was sort of like
Speaker 1: boom uh boom, and now we're on the of the
Speaker 1: second one. And I was like, I want to say
Speaker 1: two years. I know, right, isn't that such a long time.
Speaker 1: It's a full relationship. I mean, I mean it was Hue.
Speaker 1: It was like the first time I was in love.
Speaker 1: It was like I and I'm still like, okay, this
Speaker 1: person means the world to me, like this is a person.
Speaker 1: And then I was kind of taken off guard by
Speaker 1: another person and right after, I mean there was there
Speaker 1: was some time, but it was overwhelming, and now I'm
Speaker 1: sort of like, okay, so I don't plan on sort
Speaker 1: of going down like romantic vulnerability like road for like
Speaker 1: probably a decade or so. That's where I remember when
Speaker 1: when my first So how it was the first relationship
Speaker 1: was two years and then pretty soon after after you've
Speaker 1: met this other person, and how long were you with
Speaker 1: them or was that a thing? Yeah, maybe like almost
Speaker 1: a year? Yeah, so but the intensity felt almost the same. Well,
Speaker 1: they were so different and without getting into it too much,
Speaker 1: like I I just there was no real time when
Speaker 1: I felt like alone and now here I am, and
Speaker 1: it's sort of like, well you have some crazy thoughts
Speaker 1: now and like you are what's going on up here?
Speaker 1: Because you're kind of alone in there now. It's interesting
Speaker 1: and it's really funny and like I know because like
Speaker 1: the realty is like when my relationship ended, Um, there
Speaker 1: was a time where I was like, why would I
Speaker 1: ever do that again? Why would I ever go through
Speaker 1: that again? And I was like, no, I'm getting a
Speaker 1: relationship is And then like with time you realize, like
Speaker 1: you will realize like how you've grown, and like you'll
Speaker 1: be thankful for it. But it's just like yeah, but
Speaker 1: but but but to be honest, like Brown Call to
Speaker 1: Current watched three times in a row the day after
Speaker 1: my last breakup, and it helped. But also that I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, Burnet is sort of it for me now,
Speaker 1: So then you be can't fix it on Burnet? Who
Speaker 1: do I get? Yeah? Who can I lock down? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I've been quoting Burnet too much. I keep being like
Speaker 1: vulnerability is showing up and not knowing what the outcome is,
Speaker 1: Like I keep saying, I mean that is bravery. That
Speaker 1: is it is if you know what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: You're not putting anything on the line, You're not being
Speaker 1: any it's just not bravery. Okay, So then where you're
Speaker 1: at now is this thing of like I don't want
Speaker 1: to put anything on the line I think I put
Speaker 1: like I honestly and not to choot my own horn.
Speaker 1: Here was very brave. Yeah, thank you so much, and
Speaker 1: I yeah, and I was, And I feel like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm I don't want to be brave for another person
Speaker 1: right now, I'm going to be brave all by my
Speaker 1: some bring my Seltzers wherever I go, you know, fucking yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Can we just say the Seltzers are not
Speaker 1: to me? Did not read as a cry for anything.
Speaker 1: It does not, It does not indicate anything. The Seltzers
Speaker 1: are a huge, huge the Celtics deal. The Seltzers are.
Speaker 1: They're a huge metaphor. It's generous, and it means that
Speaker 1: you you are like willing to offer something. Yes, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, and I'll remember that and like this thing
Speaker 1: of like okay, does you go back to your and
Speaker 1: I'll remember that to go back to your thing of
Speaker 1: like oh you're alone up here? What are the you
Speaker 1: have crazy thoughts? It's like, well, I there's I I
Speaker 1: have never I've never been served by rating my own
Speaker 1: thoughts or in her like you know, ruminations of like
Speaker 1: oh god, I must I suck for thinking that Like
Speaker 1: that doesn't help I don't know, there doesn't no judgment,
Speaker 1: no judgment the outer layer. Just take away the judgment,
Speaker 1: then deal with with the next lay sure, and then
Speaker 1: and then what's the thing that she that Bernet ends
Speaker 1: on in a cauldy courage and she's like, um uh,
Speaker 1: something that gets joy or like gratitude, it gets joy, right,
Speaker 1: So it's about being grateful for what you have in
Speaker 1: it is this it can I think I'm dealing with you.
Speaker 1: Two are different from me where I think. But that's
Speaker 1: also this is also because I have not been in
Speaker 1: a long term relationship ever for longer than like six months,
Speaker 1: so it's a long time. I think, oh, thank you. Well,
Speaker 1: I just I haven't I even felt this thing of
Speaker 1: like I completely gave myself over to somebody. But I
Speaker 1: find it so fascinating when people like I don't want
Speaker 1: to do that again. I because my instinct is maybe
Speaker 1: I'm maybe I'm just a serial serial data serial monogamist.
Speaker 1: I'm in love with being in love. I want to
Speaker 1: jump to the next thing immediately. I think that's just bad,
Speaker 1: which is I'm not tuting that bad at this point,
Speaker 1: Like we have to forgive ourselves. Yeah, I mean the
Speaker 1: reason I say that, and I'll remember that. The reason
Speaker 1: I say that is because and I've talked about him
Speaker 1: so much on the use his name, Like the relationship
Speaker 1: I had with Henry was so beautiful. But also it's
Speaker 1: like the periods of despair, such periods of true despair
Speaker 1: where I was like physically ill, and like just just
Speaker 1: the tragedy that comes to being able to work it
Speaker 1: out with someone that you love so much. It's like
Speaker 1: grieving a loss, and it's like it's like someone dying.
Speaker 1: And and um, that's why I think, I think you
Speaker 1: have yet to experience that, because once you do experience that,
Speaker 1: and you will well, honestly, I I hope, I know.
Speaker 1: I hope for you that the first person that you
Speaker 1: have like a real relationship with, I hope that's it.
Speaker 1: Or not that I don't wish for you all the
Speaker 1: experiences in the world, but like I don't, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: wish on anyone despair. And when you and you can
Speaker 1: attest to this, like when you are in a relationship
Speaker 1: and all you want to do is make it work
Speaker 1: but it just can't, it's a it's a devastating it's
Speaker 1: a realization. It's like, oh my god, oh my god,
Speaker 1: my fantasy of what this could be has to go
Speaker 1: down the drain. Yeah, and then you have reminding yourself
Speaker 1: the fantasy isn't real, or that like what you could,
Speaker 1: what you imagined isn't You're not on track for it.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're not getting what you want, and you're like
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time worrying about what other
Speaker 1: people need, and like a lot of time I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: I guess like I need to think about what I
Speaker 1: want because I never prioritize that. And that's sort of
Speaker 1: like Bernet's whole thing. Literally, I think we are the
Speaker 1: same because something I've had to deal with over the
Speaker 1: past couple of years is like, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: say how you feel, because trying to make other people
Speaker 1: happy is making you sick, like and right, yeah, and
Speaker 1: not not not allowing people the truth about what you
Speaker 1: are and who you are. Like so now it's like
Speaker 1: now it's like, uh, there's something new kind of bubbling
Speaker 1: up in my life, and I'm kind of like, oh God,
Speaker 1: at what point am I like fully completely honest about
Speaker 1: like that I want and like and like what you know?
Speaker 1: But it's also one of my lessons from the relationship too,
Speaker 1: is also like you have to make people feel special
Speaker 1: and loved and wanted. So it's it's it's a you
Speaker 1: can't top thing, and these relationships are they're never going
Speaker 1: to be perfect, but you can try. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: about so it's about a choice. It's about making a choice. God,
Speaker 1: here we go about making a choice where you both
Speaker 1: are like, I want to choose to make this work.
Speaker 1: And if you're not choosing that together or at the
Speaker 1: same time, you're dead. And I don't think that's like logic.
Speaker 1: It's like we can just this is a decision. It's
Speaker 1: not like, oh, one day I wake up and like
Speaker 1: love and the next day I'm confused. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm committed to this, like growth and you're Pisces. Yes,
Speaker 1: sorry to bring it up, Aquarius. Did you read Normal People?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I read the first twenty pages in
Speaker 1: Nicole Silverberg's house and I couldn't put it down. Then
Speaker 1: she made this amazing dessert, so I had to was
Speaker 1: made shorts what she made And you know what, it's
Speaker 1: not what you think it is. It is biscuits between
Speaker 1: the business. Yes, it's not. My mom makes a version
Speaker 1: of this ye, yes, okay, it's not It's not the
Speaker 1: thing that I thought it was, which was like fruit
Speaker 1: in the cake. It's like, it's very British. Yes, it
Speaker 1: looked stunned and you ate that that. I saw you
Speaker 1: eat that. Yes, about eating that is social media right
Speaker 1: now in a sentence, I saw you eat that. That's
Speaker 1: actually real culture number twelve social media is I saw
Speaker 1: you eat that is very That is true, George. You
Speaker 1: have to read it to finish it. I read it
Speaker 1: in like what two three days? Oh my god? That
Speaker 1: she said she got home and just sat down and
Speaker 1: finished it. Yeah the second I turned me on that book.
Speaker 1: So far, it's a horny fucking book. It's like like
Speaker 1: what people are thinking and switching places every chapter, right yeah,
Speaker 1: and and so you get their perfective and she's raw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really it's a raw bug, no condoms anywhere anywhere.
Speaker 1: Um and truly like me, I've been in this very
Speaker 1: queer reading material space for a while and I was like,
Speaker 1: some it had better be good if it's going to
Speaker 1: pull me out of orbit. Did you read less? Literally?
Speaker 1: He Okay, So this is like a joke now at
Speaker 1: this point, because he has told me to read less
Speaker 1: no less than a million times. And so it is
Speaker 1: at my apartment now and here I'm going to say
Speaker 1: this on the pod tonight. I'm gonna go home and
Speaker 1: read or will you really? Yes? I hope you will.
Speaker 1: I hope you will too. But you need it. It
Speaker 1: doesn't need you. I get it. I know, I know
Speaker 1: I need to read it. Can we talk about it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And in very vague terms. Oh my god, I was surprised.
Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised. I was surprised because I
Speaker 1: was like, we're really going to stay big. It's just
Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted but didn't know I could want exactly.
Speaker 1: And my god, the the build up to it, I mean,
Speaker 1: I had yes, I was. I stopped breathing. I know exactly.
Speaker 1: I know. It was so shocking. I've been with something
Speaker 1: like this. This was it. This was It was like
Speaker 1: a movie. It's like a movie. I was on the
Speaker 1: train and then I stepped out of the train and
Speaker 1: I was like on the last a few pages, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just gonna stay on the ce stop.
Speaker 1: A good stop, A good stop just stood there on
Speaker 1: the platform after I'd gotten off my train that I
Speaker 1: need to get off and I got get off that
Speaker 1: and I I just read those last pages and the
Speaker 1: I need to sit down, and I was like, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: that is a very romantic way to read the end
Speaker 1: of Yes. I also remember being like, after you read
Speaker 1: this book, don't look at your phone for ten minutes
Speaker 1: after you finished. I was like, you could look at
Speaker 1: your phone, but you need to sit in that because
Speaker 1: there was come on, hope, hope. There's hope in the book.
Speaker 1: And that's crazy because hope isn't everywhere, by the way,
Speaker 1: hard to find hope. It's hard to hope is so
Speaker 1: churned out in this manufactured way now that it's hard
Speaker 1: to find the real now. Well, I mean, I love hope.
Speaker 1: You're gonna love. It's so funny. It's really funny, and
Speaker 1: it's like the sad but beautiful gone. How old is
Speaker 1: the main character he's like and he's he's like middle aged,
Speaker 1: which is so he's in like late forties, early fifties,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's really good for us, see you
Speaker 1: an amount to read it because it is like this
Speaker 1: this fun glimpse into like this fucking tail spin that
Speaker 1: we all go on, and it's like it pales in
Speaker 1: comparison to what like sucking women go through. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, well can I it's very like like these
Speaker 1: things that we don't talk about. And I was reading it,
Speaker 1: I was like, I've never thought about that. That's I
Speaker 1: think that like, okay, so when you know how those
Speaker 1: face app thing with it's I was happy with I
Speaker 1: was really happy with mine. But I I still looked
Speaker 1: at that man's face and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna be? I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: how are people gonna Are people still gonna think? Like
Speaker 1: what are people gonna still gonna think? This is like cute?
Speaker 1: Like are people still gonna tolerate you? Like like are
Speaker 1: you gonna always be like goofy and crazy? Like what
Speaker 1: are you gonna be? Like? What what happened to you? Like?
Speaker 1: I don't know what? Looking at looking at a real
Speaker 1: version of my old face, I was like, I hope
Speaker 1: that they treated you okay. I was because gay man,
Speaker 1: as they age, I'm just like I just I haven't
Speaker 1: really seen okay, I haven't really seen like someone who's
Speaker 1: like I guess you have, like you're Ian McKellen or whatever, like,
Speaker 1: but just like a gay man who's always been gay,
Speaker 1: always was like got what he deserved, what I mean, sure,
Speaker 1: but it just was like to see yourself older, like
Speaker 1: that is going to happen to me? Yeah? That felt
Speaker 1: that felt true about it. It's like fate inevitable. It's
Speaker 1: like the inevitability of looking different. Yeah. And I was
Speaker 1: like live yeah, And I was just like I was
Speaker 1: looking at that man's face who was me, And I
Speaker 1: was like, I hope it went well. I hope because
Speaker 1: you know, I hope we're still smiling like that you
Speaker 1: will be. I really think I hope. So I just like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like seeing yourself old, Like
Speaker 1: I know, it was like a fun bit we were
Speaker 1: all doing, but it was just like very crazy, you intense.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be able to do that. No, it's not natural.
Speaker 1: I feel like in looking at your photo, I saw
Speaker 1: my photo and thought mine looks like so much older,
Speaker 1: Like it looks like they did a different age than
Speaker 1: you're one, Like the age are they supposed to make you?
Speaker 1: Because today Ricky Gervais was on the View and it
Speaker 1: was like they showed his old photo and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is three years what age is supposed to be make?
Speaker 1: I think it's like octo or septagenarian, like seventies eighties?
Speaker 1: Is that how you say it? Is that I'm a septagenarian?
Speaker 1: Exactly right. Um, I thought you were gonna I thought
Speaker 1: you were gonna read me for my um you know
Speaker 1: romance language pronunciation, my Latin rich Can we talk about
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something and please reject it if you
Speaker 1: if you reject it, I think a picture is the
Speaker 1: female Timothy shallow may up. I was like nervous and
Speaker 1: I'm like completely found, like go on and go on,
Speaker 1: just like explain just this aloof the female Timothy shall
Speaker 1: this alout dark haired French speaking and you're just like,
Speaker 1: who is that? I want to know more? Breakout start?
Speaker 1: Come on? What do you think? I acceptccept hugely and
Speaker 1: you know what else I except I except when people
Speaker 1: say I look like Cole Sprouse to people are like
Speaker 1: you look like cold Sprouce and I'm like, that is
Speaker 1: huge we have and ultimately energy, yes you did not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it went so bad even part I want to be
Speaker 1: on it so bad that I auditioned for the cheerleaders,
Speaker 1: the cheer leader sister of Betty God I had. I
Speaker 1: was blond and I was like, I'm completely even more
Speaker 1: depressed than I am now. Can you even imagine? So
Speaker 1: hair curler was different back then. Oh I was like blond,
Speaker 1: that's it, that's it. Yeah, I was, and my hair
Speaker 1: was long. And I went into the audition and the
Speaker 1: part the lines were like Mom, it's I'm like reaching,
Speaker 1: I'm reaching for a yogurt in the fridge and I
Speaker 1: opened my mom standing there, um, and she's like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And I'm like, Mom, it's non fat
Speaker 1: And I just did back thence and flips for four
Speaker 1: hours at cheer practice. And she's like, whoever the guy is,
Speaker 1: it's a bad influence. And I'm like, I love him.
Speaker 1: I should the right so much. I'm a really, really,
Speaker 1: really good cheerleader. Um, is that like the most cuckoo
Speaker 1: thing audition for? Like You're like, I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: holding these pages in my hands now. I for Quantico.
Speaker 1: That was my first audition. Here, my god, we've talked about.
Speaker 1: That's how we like. I'm Rachel Networks Traumas. Rachel loves Quantico.
Speaker 1: She also loves Gray's Anatomy. Yeah she does, she Rachel, could,
Speaker 1: I mean, Rachel can do any of those exactly right. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: Rachel is like and this is she's been on the
Speaker 1: good fight. She's this is like the highest complement I
Speaker 1: can pay someone, especially an actor. She is she is
Speaker 1: network television procedural. She can do any of those shows.
Speaker 1: She can deliver any line in the world. She's so good.
Speaker 1: She's such a good actor. And she has like a
Speaker 1: passion for like poop stuff, and I love like writing
Speaker 1: about poop. And I'm like, hemorrhoids, do you I had?
Speaker 1: I had, I had a hemorrhoid od it goes and comes,
Speaker 1: and I know that about preparation. H is. I don't
Speaker 1: know how I feel about it. I mean, I wiped
Speaker 1: with it and that's good. It's so slippery. It's it's
Speaker 1: like it's like a lubricant. It's elite, but it stays
Speaker 1: and it doesn't dry out. It stays there and stays
Speaker 1: in there. It stays slippery. You know, Um okay, when
Speaker 1: hold on, Rachel never had like a dry but I
Speaker 1: have never had especially in this year. It's bad. But
Speaker 1: the thing is like my butt, it's it's I've never
Speaker 1: I've only had one hand roid before in my life
Speaker 1: years ago, but I did through about three or four.
Speaker 1: This is insane. I've been three four years ago. I
Speaker 1: had to have I had a little tiny cist like
Speaker 1: right under my butt hole, and I had to get
Speaker 1: it lanced and drained. And they took and they took
Speaker 1: a needle and they they they gave me a shot
Speaker 1: in my butt and when I tell you the pain
Speaker 1: that was a cookoom mother, it was crazy. It was
Speaker 1: so bad when they stuck a needle in my bottle
Speaker 1: and gave with the shot. Hey, it was like, so
Speaker 1: you were the best thing in there's no shut up um.
Speaker 1: When they and they go to me, this is where
Speaker 1: they go. They say, if you need to hold our
Speaker 1: hands or scream, you can do that. I was like,
Speaker 1: and I literally the joke that almost came out of
Speaker 1: my mouth was it won't be the worst pain I've
Speaker 1: felt there. Did you say that's a good joke? Because
Speaker 1: I didn't think. I didn't think that Brooklyn Doctor's office
Speaker 1: was ready for my anal sex humor. They're fucking this
Speaker 1: is the thing stigma on anatomy. My god, you're right,
Speaker 1: I should be baddish. Get out, get it out, get
Speaker 1: it out. If if fucking Marcia Crossed can go on
Speaker 1: TV and talk about a rectal cancer. You can make
Speaker 1: that joke to a Brooklyn doctor. Nobody, Well, Mary and
Speaker 1: Williams and fundraiser, anyone can do anything. It's actually a
Speaker 1: really culture number forty. If Marcia Cross can go to
Speaker 1: Mary and Williamson fundraiser, anyone could do anything. It is true.
Speaker 1: We put a man on the moon. Marsha went to
Speaker 1: the Mary and Williamson and ready we did that. We
Speaker 1: did that. We should be allowed to do anything. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I can't explain. And then also the pain was bad,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like bananas. That sounds horrible. But then
Speaker 1: I had to like walk around with like like what
Speaker 1: essentially was like a pad on my butt, and like
Speaker 1: it was like draining all the time. And I was
Speaker 1: like people feel like it's always. There were some people
Speaker 1: out there who constantly un dripped, and they're called women
Speaker 1: and they have a period, And I was like, I
Speaker 1: have a whole new respect for just for discharge, for discharge, um,
Speaker 1: thank you, and thank you from womankind, thank you from
Speaker 1: what must understand the title of that, I think is
Speaker 1: from womankind. Thank you, And as we all know, I
Speaker 1: do represent all women being Timothy the female I never
Speaker 1: heard anything so specific as I think if we stood
Speaker 1: next to each other, you would, you would actually only
Speaker 1: see our differences because I think from far away we
Speaker 1: are brothers sister. From up close we are simply incompatible.
Speaker 1: I think you would you will absolutely play siblings one day.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think I think that's in the car.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be the lead, and I think I'll
Speaker 1: be I'll be on the side. Speak French. You both
Speaker 1: like are like these, like these very textured people. I
Speaker 1: don't know some of these stars. I bet he's nice.
Speaker 1: Some of these stars are a lot nicer than you
Speaker 1: think they're going to be or they have to be.
Speaker 1: But when he brought us, I think, so he brought
Speaker 1: his mom to that award. I don't remember the Oscar,
Speaker 1: and I think that that is, I guess cool. But
Speaker 1: also it's like if you bring your mom to an
Speaker 1: award show, you know what you're doing, Like that's a move,
Speaker 1: that's like, look what I'm doing. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: I bring my mom because my mom. I owe everything
Speaker 1: to my mom. And that display, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he should have brought his mom. That's really nice, Okay,
Speaker 1: but what is it? What is it? What is it.
Speaker 1: What's the messaging. I guess it's sort of like I
Speaker 1: love my mom and you have to watch and the
Speaker 1: plaud me take it back. No, no, because that's a
Speaker 1: really good I don't think Sonny, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: People whould bring their moms because it is this thing
Speaker 1: of like give me that straight give me that straight boy,
Speaker 1: pat on the back, right exactly. It's like, look, I
Speaker 1: actually love my mom and I'm and congrats to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I ever get nominated for an award show like
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I am bringing my yah got in the bathroom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we've gottau in the bathroom. And I have to
Speaker 1: be able to if I'm ever nominated for anything, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be truly a wreck. And I have to
Speaker 1: be able to hold someone's hands so tight. And the
Speaker 1: only person that would let me do that is it
Speaker 1: would be your boy or doctor. It should be my doctor.
Speaker 1: I should go back to that Brooklyn doctor and he
Speaker 1: remember that time I got an oscar. I have a question,
Speaker 1: what if it's a cultural thing where it's like, um,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna bring up like oh, go out French.
Speaker 1: I'm like not to bring her up like Sandra bring
Speaker 1: her parents to stuff, Like is that a move where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh god, this is everyone, this is engineered.
Speaker 1: I'm not backing into a corner with this, I promise now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because when that happened, I was like,
Speaker 1: hell fucking yeah. But also I will say went to Sorry,
Speaker 1: there's I just can't say it. American brought his mom.
Speaker 1: I was not mad at the moment in retrospective, and
Speaker 1: I can't explain it. No, I think that's I think
Speaker 1: that's very interesting, and I think I'm inclined to when
Speaker 1: Sandra thank her parents, that was she brought them both.
Speaker 1: She brought them both, and the mom is singling out
Speaker 1: the mother. Unless his father is not no longer involved,
Speaker 1: very much could be true. There you go. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not France. Wait, these French dads, these French dads.
Speaker 1: Did you did you grew up there? Okay, so let
Speaker 1: me explain. I was born in Parish, we lived there
Speaker 1: for a year, moved to see if Disco, which is
Speaker 1: where I was raised, and then I went to college
Speaker 1: and was there. I went to like a French immersion school,
Speaker 1: which was insane and not worth it. Never do it umnity.
Speaker 1: If given the opportunity, don't go to French immersion school,
Speaker 1: you know, really, I like him always like fuck that,
Speaker 1: why why I learned all like of this science in French?
Speaker 1: Why I mean wilder science at all, but like learning
Speaker 1: all of it in French was like insane and I
Speaker 1: then at all sorry rude um. And then after like
Speaker 1: two years in high school, I was like, I should
Speaker 1: be going to like the American part of this high school,
Speaker 1: which was just next door, and so I just transferred
Speaker 1: over to the American part of the high school and
Speaker 1: they were like, why don't you know any science in English?
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, fucking kill me. I can't succeed.
Speaker 1: And so I actually, you know what I was. I
Speaker 1: was I wanted to be premed only because of Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker 1: And then yes, it's crazy, and then I and then
Speaker 1: I realized I wanted to be an actor on Gray's Anatomy,
Speaker 1: and then that never happened either, But I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: it was just crazy because I remember when Christina had
Speaker 1: her heart like chalkboard. She had like a huge diagram
Speaker 1: of a heart, like all the different parts of it,
Speaker 1: and I remember being like, I need to get one
Speaker 1: of those in my house, which doesn't make I just
Speaker 1: it's it's it's such a weird like, um, you see
Speaker 1: it's being presented to you like TV doctors and you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm responding to this, yes, I don't know which part
Speaker 1: and it is actually wanting to have sex probably, And
Speaker 1: the matter is when you're a real doctor, your life
Speaker 1: isn't scored that beautifully. And also not everyone looks like that,
Speaker 1: and it's not this thing where um, it's over in
Speaker 1: forty minutes. It's like a full lifetime. And being that
Speaker 1: tired is not glamorous. And when they're up all yeah,
Speaker 1: when they're up all night, they're up actually all night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have like the ability to look like Katherine
Speaker 1: Heigel when you work eighteen hour day shifts um. And also,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I think we're probably all
Speaker 1: around the same age and with the grades anatomy thing
Speaker 1: that can you want to be doctors And then you
Speaker 1: realized it was a bad acting. That was me with
Speaker 1: Lost and I would fantasize about being in a plane crash.
Speaker 1: Literally I want to be a professional. No, But I
Speaker 1: remember like when I was watching Lost, I was like
Speaker 1: it would be so cool to be in it, like
Speaker 1: in that kind of disaster survived. I don't know, because
Speaker 1: I was fourteen, and also like I was like I
Speaker 1: wonder what, I wonder how long I would live on
Speaker 1: the island, like it was some sort of game. Which
Speaker 1: character were you responding to? This? To um, well, actually,
Speaker 1: here's a here's an even more interesting thing. I actually
Speaker 1: did most to Kate Slash Evangeline Lily because she was
Speaker 1: like pretty in a cipher and you never could get
Speaker 1: a finger on her, and also she she like had
Speaker 1: the Jack and Sawyer love triangle of it. At the time,
Speaker 1: I was like, obviously it's Jack. Obviously it's Jack. And
Speaker 1: now something deep within me, which I realized like last
Speaker 1: year as I was like, actually, what I would like
Speaker 1: is to have my color bone broken by Sawyer And
Speaker 1: even more, who would be the most intense sex I think?
Speaker 1: And I think the one I'm really sucking sexually attracted
Speaker 1: to is Charlie. And let me say I've only seen
Speaker 1: the Pilot because there's a part where I think somebody
Speaker 1: gets skinned the pilot of the plane. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I did think that episode was called pilot because they
Speaker 1: were looking for the pilot. It took me a long
Speaker 1: time to realize pilot was pilot, right, the pilot gets
Speaker 1: his face tripped off by the monster. That is that
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? And then they yes, and then
Speaker 1: you and you don't know up there you see him
Speaker 1: up there in the tree and he has no face,
Speaker 1: and oh my god. And eventually Lily has that amazing
Speaker 1: moment of acting where she UM's hiding in the trees
Speaker 1: from the monster and she counts down from five because
Speaker 1: that's what Jack told her to do. I'm almost like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Eventel and the lea star is born
Speaker 1: is born. Yeah, Evangeline evangel She She's one of the
Speaker 1: most gorgeous people ever. And I've also heard really nice
Speaker 1: and what I appreciate Lily is she only does blockbusters.
Speaker 1: She I've had two experiences. This is the most obnoxious thing.
Speaker 1: No what where she was sitting like dagon Only for me,
Speaker 1: it's little cycle. Let me say this sometimes to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love Claire, But Claire refused to talk to us
Speaker 1: at Multu Fest anyway. Um, yeah, we tried to do
Speaker 1: in your she was just busy and she's like, I
Speaker 1: want to go home. That wasn't clear. That was Maggie
Speaker 1: Gillan Hall, but also Claire did not want to of course,
Speaker 1: Claire Danes and Maggie Jellan Hall goddesses of the small screen.
Speaker 1: Sorry girls udn't talk to us. Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: believe Evangeline is always so into it and she's always
Speaker 1: like she's just you can you can tell she's like cool,
Speaker 1: She's like she's like she like coops and Halls whenever
Speaker 1: you know, the instructors like how are you feeling, and
Speaker 1: she's like, you have to respond because I'll say this
Speaker 1: in public right now. Lost was It had its moment
Speaker 1: of being the best show in the world, and then
Speaker 1: there were truly some things about it that were so
Speaker 1: fucking bad, Like the character of Kate was so bad,
Speaker 1: and the fact that we even tolerated her is just
Speaker 1: Evangeline's star quality because the character was so bad. Wait,
Speaker 1: kay was the blonde one? No, that was Claire Claire. Sorry, um,
Speaker 1: Emily de Ravant, Emily de Ravant. Oh, Emily who was
Speaker 1: in that movie of Eyes, Eyes, which was rape. She's
Speaker 1: pregnant that movie and she gets sucking raped. She gets
Speaker 1: raped by an alien mutin alien. Literally, it was like
Speaker 1: the last couple of years where torture porn was like
Speaker 1: fully acceptable in mainstream. But it's like, if you watch
Speaker 1: it again, you're like, oh boy, is this is this
Speaker 1: something that absolutely poisoned the minds of Americe that's sucking everything. Though.
Speaker 1: There is this movie that I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: and I remember seeing it too young, where this like
Speaker 1: prairie woman sucks this cowboy guy in like a basement
Speaker 1: as at a friend's house and we watched this movie
Speaker 1: because her dad put it on, and I remember what
Speaker 1: they were sucking and making like sex sounds, and I
Speaker 1: was like, probably, I don't know. I was like old
Speaker 1: enough to where that shouldn't I guess be is uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but it was insane, and I just remember being like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to throw up because this
Speaker 1: is too early. And also this the girl whose houses
Speaker 1: that made me watch Two Girls, One Cup. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: We don't need to talk. The thing is that's culture,
Speaker 1: and we all talked about it because unfortunately particles. She said,
Speaker 1: if you don't she grabbed like this, she grabbed my
Speaker 1: face show and she said, if you don't watch it,
Speaker 1: you're boring. And to be called boring, I mean she's
Speaker 1: like probably I think she's doing okay, she's still in
Speaker 1: the bad shout out. I never got to I never
Speaker 1: made it through that because I would always throw it.
Speaker 1: I would always wretch. It was too much for me.
Speaker 1: It's disgusting, there's no point, it's horrible. I'm so mad. Still,
Speaker 1: her house was hard to be at something. This is
Speaker 1: the thing. Cake farts is acceptable. I mean, cake farts
Speaker 1: to me is one of the funniest things of all
Speaker 1: that's not breadface. Cake farts is the famous iconic video
Speaker 1: where a girl sits on a cake and yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh they're yeah. There's a lot of them, Like there's
Speaker 1: original farts, like there's like pancake farts. It's like crazy.
Speaker 1: She farted on so many different things, and the best
Speaker 1: was her dialogue around the event, which was, you know
Speaker 1: what I like the most cake farts. Let's get this done. Hmm,
Speaker 1: how am I gonna do this? I know, okay, believe
Speaker 1: me when I say I thought that would end after
Speaker 1: one line, and you know, for years this is actually
Speaker 1: cakewarts my culture. This is did I ever tell you this?
Speaker 1: The person who showed me cake farts, the person who
Speaker 1: like sent a link around the cake farts was Donald
Speaker 1: Glover sent Nick Packer to link to cake farts my
Speaker 1: freshman year of college, and then we were like, we're
Speaker 1: going to watch this and I was like, so you
Speaker 1: were exposed to cakewarts by Donal Glover, childish can be?
Speaker 1: I was already like a Donald Glover fan from like
Speaker 1: Derek Comedy Days, and I was like, yeah. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: whatever Donald thinks it's cool. I think it's cool. That's
Speaker 1: really embarrassing for him, right, that's Donald embarrassing, like fucking perfect,
Speaker 1: like like propagated cake farts to like the reason everyone
Speaker 1: knows the reason this happened is because he was like
Speaker 1: he was like the O G Comedy at ny US,
Speaker 1: and so he knew some of our peers that are
Speaker 1: a little bit older, and that's how this video. But
Speaker 1: he was like, if you watch anything today or this year,
Speaker 1: you watch cake farts. You watch cake farts. Start of
Speaker 1: the Lion King truly simpopagated Simba propagated cake farts to
Speaker 1: the young, impressionable mind of Bowen Yang. If Beyonce knew
Speaker 1: he had done that, she would not have done them. No, no,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what what had happened. He wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done the movie. She would have said, he is sending
Speaker 1: people cake flats. I can't do this film with him.
Speaker 1: Some else and somehow, I'm gonna say, not problematic. It's
Speaker 1: a non problematic Beyonce impression from day. We need to
Speaker 1: find someone else for the film. Let me say, I
Speaker 1: am getting all of the eye contact in this moment,
Speaker 1: and it's a very powerful had something troubling about Donald
Speaker 1: and I would not like to even I know we
Speaker 1: have scheduled it said that I don't have to see
Speaker 1: anyone while I filmed, but I don't even want to
Speaker 1: be on the same screen as him. I would prefer
Speaker 1: it if we cast another actor. Also concerned about this
Speaker 1: is an email I've concerts about this screaming and gay.
Speaker 1: If you look up videos, you know that I'm actually,
Speaker 1: in my past actually quite homophobic. I'm just kidding. She
Speaker 1: had her a couple of rough moments years ago. She
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna compromise her Christianity. That the the the my
Speaker 1: favorite slightly homophobic adjacent Beyonce moment is after Britney Spears
Speaker 1: and Madonna kissed at the Viennames and Christina, she went
Speaker 1: out in public record and said that she was discussed
Speaker 1: is of course a gay icon, and she supports us,
Speaker 1: and she posts a lot of one of the greatest
Speaker 1: performers of all time and a legend, and we love
Speaker 1: and I've given her much of my something though them
Speaker 1: kissing was discussed, like and if right, thank you for
Speaker 1: saying that. I've been saying that for years. But you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's she is southern Houston, where
Speaker 1: there's a soul cycle, and I'll say, I'll say I
Speaker 1: saw Lucy Lou and Soul cycle all the time, and
Speaker 1: she's fast. I mean, would you think Lucy Lou wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be good on the bike? You're right? What
Speaker 1: the hell? I guess. I was just surprised because um
Speaker 1: it was hot yea. And sometimes I used to work there,
Speaker 1: used to work their front ask I worked at corporate
Speaker 1: for a second, worked at the reception. People treated me okay,
Speaker 1: now it's okay. Whenever your reception is people are like
Speaker 1: you suck, but also have to look. I got told
Speaker 1: a lot that I shouldn't come to work in pajamas,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I have to be her nine,
Speaker 1: so water you ask you had to be here at nine?
Speaker 1: The crack done. No one else goes to work at nine,
Speaker 1: I would go to I mean, I hope no one's listening,
Speaker 1: but I would go there and there and at nine
Speaker 1: that's when the snack guy would get there, to the
Speaker 1: corporate snack guy, and I wouldn't meet him and take
Speaker 1: as many cliff bars as I possibly just to stash him.
Speaker 1: And I would eat them throughout that Remember, have eat
Speaker 1: don throughout the day and get violently ill, and I
Speaker 1: go home and start the day over the next day
Speaker 1: because you're just eating the densest food ever made. When
Speaker 1: you when you eat a cliff bar and then eat
Speaker 1: another cliff bar, that's not okay. Why would you do
Speaker 1: that because it was there and that's it. I mean
Speaker 1: the amount of things I'll eat because they're there, shocking, shocking.
Speaker 1: I'll try. I'll try almonds every day and throw the
Speaker 1: pack away once I have one, but I will open
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, I mean, almonds are like something they
Speaker 1: say that you should eat, but they're fucking bad momonsucking
Speaker 1: mad salted good good eats. Well you should have. How
Speaker 1: do not know that? Oh I knew this, No, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that you had an almond allergy and that's
Speaker 1: so it's specific almonds, peanuts, cashews, anything else. I can
Speaker 1: eat any other note, I can eat almonds, And what
Speaker 1: will happen to you if I fucking close up? I
Speaker 1: feel like my throat, my my throat. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a weird anomalous thing. But can you be
Speaker 1: in the room with am just I can be in
Speaker 1: the room with almonds. It's just about like them touching
Speaker 1: my trick, yeah, or not trick yet, but like my esophaga.
Speaker 1: But milk has fully moved in an almond direction. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like it truly is humiliating for me
Speaker 1: to be like I can't have almond milk. Do you like? Oh,
Speaker 1: oh I had. I've tried a couple of times, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's funny for the story, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like, my god, that's so rude but true. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but it's true, and like I respect to Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I get the right. I'll say that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I a couple of times had like interesting
Speaker 1: milks in my coffee when I was because they have
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting MILKSLD milk. One time I was
Speaker 1: Greta and I had breakfast and I got oat milk,
Speaker 1: and I was like, see, there's I've never tasted something
Speaker 1: that really tastes exactly like milk taste like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: does taste like oatmeal, watery, but water. What's your favorite milk?
Speaker 1: It's out milk, but it's totally oat milk. I like, totally.
Speaker 1: I don't have anger about dairy, but I do not
Speaker 1: like the idea that it's plus from a cow. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: my god, how could you do that? I know? But
Speaker 1: when I think about it, I get really upset. And
Speaker 1: you know what, it's not even that. It's like sometimes
Speaker 1: there's hormones in it. Yeah, have you ever milt a cow?
Speaker 1: You know what? I don't think so I think that
Speaker 1: would probably completely funk it up for me to be like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm never eating this again. I don't think I have
Speaker 1: melt a cow. But I also feel like i've felt
Speaker 1: the cow outer before, so I don't know where that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like soft, that was a latex glove
Speaker 1: and you and everyone's like, can you stop, you're at
Speaker 1: the doctor. Yeah, I don't know. I've been around like goats,
Speaker 1: does that Hell? Yes, that's sorry. I up milk for you. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's okay. It's just that I'm still that
Speaker 1: kind of person that will like drink milk like I'll
Speaker 1: drink like two milk, like I'll drink a large glass
Speaker 1: of it, because you remember, it's a huge part of culture,
Speaker 1: those gotten milk as. Yeah, that's cool. I love I
Speaker 1: love I love a celebrity with with a funny picture. Um,
Speaker 1: but do you remember the culture that was anti osteoporosis culture,
Speaker 1: which was like you lost drink yes, the kid, I
Speaker 1: drink milk every single meal, every day, and wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right the moment, okay, not to be like Okay,
Speaker 1: France is there and I'm going to talk about it.
Speaker 1: But in France, if you drink the milk, it tastes
Speaker 1: really fucking different, and that freaks me out. It tastes
Speaker 1: more like it's like, yeah, because the cows are more
Speaker 1: healthy there. I just think the idea for sure. I
Speaker 1: gotta know, favorite Grison anatomy. What did you when you
Speaker 1: went on the Clothes podcast? What did you What was
Speaker 1: your topic would you talk? I've been twice one time,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm forgetting. I think I talked about relationships.
Speaker 1: L o O. Yeah, I think I talked a lot
Speaker 1: about all I can think of the idea that I
Speaker 1: have for the next one. Oh wait, what's your idea?
Speaker 1: The next one? I wanted. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: the child actors and where they are now. I'm looking
Speaker 1: it up right now, I think, can you please? I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry actors who are the prominent child actors of
Speaker 1: Grace Oh the tramp. Okay, I'm already mad because the
Speaker 1: most recent episode was Addison Forbes Montgomery Shepherd, which was
Speaker 1: going to be my that's the thing. It's like, now
Speaker 1: people are stealing all the good things that she was.
Speaker 1: Literally she asked me to be on it a couple
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and I was like, good because I'll talk
Speaker 1: about Adison and now I see but you know what,
Speaker 1: you can go back and you can flesh out the
Speaker 1: things you need to. It feels like that it's a
Speaker 1: deep die you talked about in Hotties, and you talked
Speaker 1: about and and you talked about need to cut. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I talked about Danny Duet was my first one because
Speaker 1: I when I was okay, this is the same as
Speaker 1: just basically me talking about the episode. Sorry, but basically
Speaker 1: huge for us. Okay, that's amazing. I was actually in
Speaker 1: this room. Can you actually believe that? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: talked about Danny Duquette because I remember that storyline being
Speaker 1: very romantic for me. Then I went when I went
Speaker 1: back and rewatched, I was like, this is hugely like
Speaker 1: there's so much pressure here. There's this weird like emasculating
Speaker 1: ship going on. Character is a man, Yeah, crazye. She
Speaker 1: needs a lot of help. That character. Really. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to be a dick, but she couldn't have been
Speaker 1: a doctor. That character could not have been a doctor.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Kingrgan though really good. Also, you wouldn't have her
Speaker 1: back as a doctor if she had that kind of
Speaker 1: and then quit. It's like, okay, cool. Actually the next
Speaker 1: thing that happens is a lot of paperwork, babe, and
Speaker 1: probably go to prison. Yeah, how did they get out
Speaker 1: of that? She they kick her out of the program, right,
Speaker 1: how does she come back? You know? She came back
Speaker 1: because her teacher from her childhood needed surgery and she
Speaker 1: and she was like I owned this clinic. It lest
Speaker 1: you forget, I don't need two million dollars for that.
Speaker 1: You don't like the whole remember the whole clinic. Storyline
Speaker 1: was detting left her money and right the money. So
Speaker 1: that was anyway really ringing a bell, ringing a bell.
Speaker 1: What were you going to say about Danny or that storyline.
Speaker 1: I fucking I'm obsessed with that fucking storyline is the best.
Speaker 1: But I also am like this doesn't looking back, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't age well. But the chemistry that they had
Speaker 1: I thought was really hard. I mean then it's not
Speaker 1: done many scenes by the way, I feel like, actually
Speaker 1: go through a build and then she she idealizes him.
Speaker 1: I'll say that. And nowadays, if you're watching that, you
Speaker 1: could probably see it coming from a mile away. But
Speaker 1: it felt surprising. It was surprising, truly, Like the Superstition
Speaker 1: episode where it was like seven deaths. Remember that one,
Speaker 1: a phenomenal episode the end. Yeah, wasn't that many scenes,
Speaker 1: but that scene is so powerful at the end of
Speaker 1: that episode where it's like, um as, he's so worried
Speaker 1: that he's gonna die, he's gonna be one of the seven,
Speaker 1: and then he lives and then she's crying, she's we
Speaker 1: sobbing in his in his um fucking room because she's
Speaker 1: relieved that he's alive. He wakes up um, and then
Speaker 1: she just goes, I cannot fall in love with a patient.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna act it. Please, I cannot fall in
Speaker 1: love with a patient. Danny goes, Okay, good luck with that.
Speaker 1: And then that's when they first kiss, and it's such
Speaker 1: a well done scene. Oh my god, I try it.
Speaker 1: Go the scene. What is it again? I cannot fall
Speaker 1: in love with a patient. Okay, good luck with that.
Speaker 1: And then she's last week and right now, so you
Speaker 1: guys do the scene and I will be the audience. Okay,
Speaker 1: who do you want to be? It seems like you
Speaker 1: want to be Catherine. I kind of okay, I'll be
Speaker 1: Can you be both? Yeah? Because I just did both? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I no more. That's not how scenes work. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: I think. I think that. Okay, i'll try. I'll try. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'll dony. I cannot fall in love with the patient. Okay,
Speaker 1: good luck with that. Really good contact. Here's the difference
Speaker 1: if eye contact with you almost act. Don't think your dad.
Speaker 1: I completely averted and I'm I'm the audience. So to
Speaker 1: do that is crazy. Are you the cameras that are
Speaker 1: you thinking? Watching that? Right? So it's even more egregious.
Speaker 1: Somehow can I say, I think honestly, I wanted to
Speaker 1: go on and talk about easy but I and the
Speaker 1: Catherine Hygel love it all. But I feel like that's
Speaker 1: been done. You should talk about the TR night um
Speaker 1: fucking Isaiah Washington. Yeah, I guess like that being the
Speaker 1: that just depresses me because Isaiah Washington getting invited back
Speaker 1: on the show later to wrap up to Sandra Still
Speaker 1: go out to me is like insane. Maybe I will
Speaker 1: talk about that. We're talking about the I just find
Speaker 1: that to be completely crazy. Yeah, you got to come
Speaker 1: back to that show and get a check. But he
Speaker 1: truly was chaos demon on that set and used a
Speaker 1: homophobic slur and also did a lot of fun up things.
Speaker 1: But also remember that she hit the carpet and the
Speaker 1: red carpet at the Golden Globes and she was like,
Speaker 1: some people should not speak in public. I'll ride or
Speaker 1: die for t R a night. That's my best friend,
Speaker 1: and I will stick up for him. And she was
Speaker 1: out there sticking up for him and like was an
Speaker 1: ally and nobody talks about that. And yes, she funked
Speaker 1: up numerous times when it comes to like her public
Speaker 1: statements about that. But I think it really sucks that
Speaker 1: the narrative around her still to this day is stuff
Speaker 1: that happened fifteen years ago. It's just like, really fucked
Speaker 1: up to me. And also the fact that Isaiah Washington
Speaker 1: called tr Night a faggot, and multiple accounts say this happened,
Speaker 1: and then he was welcomed back again the cat and
Speaker 1: then he said it again in the press room. It's like,
Speaker 1: this is a person that real problem. It's like and
Speaker 1: if if like we're forgiving people, then we not. We
Speaker 1: don't have to do anything. Shame doesn't have to do anything.
Speaker 1: Do whatever you want to do. But it's just like,
Speaker 1: don't try out this narrative of like, well, we had
Speaker 1: to do it for Sandro's character. It made sense. Like
Speaker 1: one of the founding fathers of that show was like
Speaker 1: to so to speak, was Izzy and like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but if if there's no invitation for her to come
Speaker 1: back and wrap up the Alex storyline whenever it ends,
Speaker 1: then this isn't tracking to me. Also, whenever she refers
Speaker 1: to assholes now quote unquote she calls them high goals.
Speaker 1: It's just like at a certain point it's like I
Speaker 1: get maybe maybe your maybe your experience with her was
Speaker 1: that bad, but it does it doesn't read a maturity
Speaker 1: for me. You can't just choose what you're mad at
Speaker 1: and this and when things don't act like you can't
Speaker 1: just say this person is a devil and this person
Speaker 1: is like forgiven. You have to like contextualize it and
Speaker 1: understand why people are wrong. I can't wait for the
Speaker 1: Ladies Who Punch Esque book about because even Meredith, even
Speaker 1: Ellen Pompeo, is out there saying like we had serious
Speaker 1: behavior problems about the first ten years of Gray's Anatomy,
Speaker 1: Like she's going out there and like I just fucking
Speaker 1: truly stand Ellen Pompeo and want to hear everything she
Speaker 1: has to say. Ellen Ellen Pompeo is truly phenomenal, especially
Speaker 1: just the moment that, like truly I was like, yes
Speaker 1: I will, I will follow you to the ends of
Speaker 1: the earth. Was that fucking panel with Gabriel Union where
Speaker 1: she was like, I don't see it. I don't see
Speaker 1: a lot of color. I'm not seeing color, and I'm
Speaker 1: a Robert was liked a big smile, but weird, weird
Speaker 1: out and she I've seen her do that on like
Speaker 1: Red carpets. I've literally there was Ellen. I've seen there
Speaker 1: was another video of her and she was like talking
Speaker 1: to this woman on the carpet and she was like
Speaker 1: being interviewed, and she was like, you know, like when
Speaker 1: you look at the photographers here, there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of people of color, and there's not enough women. And
Speaker 1: that's a that's a gaze. So when we're photographed, you
Speaker 1: have to understand it's by all these white men. And
Speaker 1: she's literally on the carpet saying and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: never think about the power everyone that's on that line
Speaker 1: taking photos of them is allegedly like white men, Like
Speaker 1: we can't see it because the cameras aren't on them,
Speaker 1: but we can feel it. That is exactly because exactly again,
Speaker 1: and that is a that's an issue. Fuck. It really
Speaker 1: makes you realize how many people aren't saying things When
Speaker 1: Ellen says things, you know, and it's like this time
Speaker 1: stops moments. And also you could see it in the
Speaker 1: faces of Gina Rodruguez and Gabrielle Union when she did
Speaker 1: say something, they were like, WHOA, we didn't think we
Speaker 1: were going to go here. We didn't know we were
Speaker 1: allowed to do that, And they said, like we would
Speaker 1: have texted each other after about it. But um, I
Speaker 1: think it's time to ask the question. I think it's time.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing AVA. On all of our episodes,
Speaker 1: we ask the question of what was the culture that
Speaker 1: made you say culture was for you? This is the
Speaker 1: defining pop culture in your life that pointed you in
Speaker 1: a cultural direction? You know, just take that and run
Speaker 1: with it. Okay. I feel like the memory that stands
Speaker 1: out I was, oh gosh, maybe I don't remember. It
Speaker 1: was two thousand, maybe four or five. I was eating
Speaker 1: a hogin does I scream because I was my coping mechanism.
Speaker 1: It's no big deal. And I remember are like, we
Speaker 1: had this office. Okay, there are two things we had this, Like,
Speaker 1: we have this little office in my family's house. And
Speaker 1: because of like construction in the office construction, just like,
Speaker 1: we had to move the computer out to the living room.
Speaker 1: So I was sitting in the living room with this
Speaker 1: big computer, not like any parents, probably wandering. I was
Speaker 1: sitting eating my hoggin does, and I was watching Fergie's
Speaker 1: London Bridge video and being like, I'll never be a
Speaker 1: woman that feels like so like and also like I
Speaker 1: think I like I am queer, but also like um
Speaker 1: help and I I when I think about that moment,
Speaker 1: I don't think of myself is in it. I watched
Speaker 1: myself like hunched over eating this like ice cream that's
Speaker 1: dripping and probably like honestly my third of the night
Speaker 1: and watching this video where she's like running her finger
Speaker 1: nails through this on this bald head, and I just
Speaker 1: remember being like, you're supposed to do that, Like that's
Speaker 1: how sex is, Like you just do that. You just
Speaker 1: sit someone down and then do hot stuff on them,
Speaker 1: Like I remember being so upset. And then also she's
Speaker 1: on the bridge and she does them crazy ship. She's
Speaker 1: on the table and does and does like bridge shit.
Speaker 1: It's one of the most bizarre songs anyone has ever released.
Speaker 1: Makes it's pure nonsense, and I think it's one of
Speaker 1: the most important songs. It truly woke something up and
Speaker 1: there and the fact that you bring that up is
Speaker 1: very crucial. Thank you so much. Thank you for like
Speaker 1: the the true like invitation into that moment. How now, okay,
Speaker 1: like what did that moment do? I mean? I actually
Speaker 1: love Fergy and she has had a moment recently. We
Speaker 1: all know what when she's sang the national anthem and
Speaker 1: completely nailed it. And I think that that moment I
Speaker 1: was upset by because then everybody was kind of tuned
Speaker 1: into this space that I thought I had found on
Speaker 1: my own naively, so, which was Fergie is insane in
Speaker 1: every social phase. Yes, and she there is this video
Speaker 1: that I don't know if he let's play some basket ball?
Speaker 1: Really powerful? I mean? Also, can I say Fergie has
Speaker 1: had so many cultural moments. We forget that she's performed
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with Black Eyed Peas and she's the
Speaker 1: only reason any of us care about the Black Eyed Peas. Sorry,
Speaker 1: well I am we forget. Uh, I'm sorry. But the
Speaker 1: moment that was Big Girls Don't Cry, her ballad that
Speaker 1: took over the radio for a delicious definition m fourth
Speaker 1: the July you and I put up the milth Money
Speaker 1: song is the most fucking good. The video is whoa insane? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's great. Also, I have a side by side
Speaker 1: taking actually at Soulecycle that's me doing the Fergie cover
Speaker 1: art sometime Duchess for Milk Money Money. Yeah, I will say,
Speaker 1: there's this video of her doing backflips. Have you seen
Speaker 1: a video on the Today Show? Is it like six am. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's singing Arracuda and she does she's doing a cover
Speaker 1: of Veracuda on the Today Show of doing backflips. It
Speaker 1: is absolutely insane that she does so many and then
Speaker 1: takes a singing break and then does another set down
Speaker 1: and also just like not not full out singing. But
Speaker 1: I have to say the moment for me of Furgie
Speaker 1: be Oh my God, should have beated. She should have
Speaker 1: been nominated with the highlight of the movie thrilling. What
Speaker 1: are the films had she been in that? It was
Speaker 1: nine the only one she was poside an Adventure remake.
Speaker 1: You know what makes me mad is I feel like
Speaker 1: her relationship was bad. Probably yeah, And I think it's unfair.
Speaker 1: Are they not together anymore? Over? I feel upset because
Speaker 1: I feel like the truth of it is that probably
Speaker 1: deeply he is dicky, you think so? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it came from soap operas, and that's a narcissism. It's
Speaker 1: a narcissism. But it's like where it's like, you should
Speaker 1: it should be a humility. He should feel like humble,
Speaker 1: thank you for this. Yeah. Famously played Leo and All
Speaker 1: my Children. I remember watching him when he was a
Speaker 1: sprout and then he became such a thing. And I
Speaker 1: remember they got married and I thought, oh, that's such
Speaker 1: a fun relationship. I bet. And then now looking back,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I deeply agree with you, right, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: because it's about like, okay, whenever like a couple gets
Speaker 1: older together and then he and then they break up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're mad about so like a woman aging.
Speaker 1: But it's always like not fair to just say that.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, that is You're like, it's just toxic.
Speaker 1: There's something wrong there. That's why Sarah Jessica Parker and
Speaker 1: Matthew Roderick, though they are not okay, they've made it.
Speaker 1: They've made it well, yeah, what's what's your thing that
Speaker 1: that doesn't sit well with you? With them, I don't
Speaker 1: think either of them have ever said anything that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a human being. See. I totally disagree with Sarah
Speaker 1: Jessica Parker. I actually everything anymore now. I'm gon even
Speaker 1: watch her fry eggs on Instagram. I I live for it.
Speaker 1: And also, can I tell you something. I watched Divorce
Speaker 1: and I'm a fan of divorce and I've recently came
Speaker 1: upon I actually think Sarajenessica Parker is an underrated icon
Speaker 1: and and acting acting legend. I think that's like wide
Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw. It should not work, but it works so much.
Speaker 1: True And I'm sorry, but one of the great television monologues,
Speaker 1: because it really it was the character and discovering what
Speaker 1: she really wanted was when she's with Brishnikov in the
Speaker 1: in the suite at the end, and and he says,
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought you knew what this was and
Speaker 1: who I was, And she says, I'm going to do
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Well, maybe it's time to be more
Speaker 1: clear about who I am. I am someone who is
Speaker 1: looking for love, ridiculous, inconvenient consuming can't live without each
Speaker 1: other love. And I don't think that that love is
Speaker 1: here in this expensive apartment, in this beautiful hotel in Paris.
Speaker 1: It's not your fault, it's my fault. I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: come here. Then she leaves phenomenal. That was so good.
Speaker 1: She yeah, you actually have. And I do think she
Speaker 1: is a really good actress. And I think that she
Speaker 1: convinces me of a lot of things I shouldn't be
Speaker 1: convinced of. That's true, But but you find her public yes,
Speaker 1: like like, look at my closet of shoes, like what,
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, she needs it. That's not her,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's Carriou May. But she convinces me that
Speaker 1: that's an okay character, that that's believable that someone would
Speaker 1: be like that. I will say, No, Torodrect doesn't exude
Speaker 1: um happiness and positivity to me. But that's just a
Speaker 1: vibe thing. I mean, I I think he's also an icon.
Speaker 1: I saw that an opening of a play and that
Speaker 1: felt true. Yeah, he just doesn't he doesn't. He doesn't
Speaker 1: carry the light. But I think she does. I think
Speaker 1: Sarahdessica Parker has done one of the few, and it
Speaker 1: was the first one of the few acceptable about seventy
Speaker 1: three questions she did the first one. She put that
Speaker 1: on the map and like I am like and like
Speaker 1: she like is very Sarah s JP about it, where
Speaker 1: she's like describing New York in three words um or
Speaker 1: something tiny and real. Something she goes um orchestral or
Speaker 1: something symphonic, tiny and real and just like s JP.
Speaker 1: I mean, but this is also her and like she
Speaker 1: is like and she like she like she like guides
Speaker 1: the camera up to her collection of globes, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you are this cool fucking lady who lives in
Speaker 1: the West Village, like thank you. She to me is
Speaker 1: an icon forever. I love her. I love her completely
Speaker 1: on board. Yeah, I mean that's the thing. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing. When you say, when you mentioned s JP
Speaker 1: and Matthew Roderick, I don't think your problem is with
Speaker 1: s JP. It's with Matthew because he doesn't carry the light.
Speaker 1: I and he doesn't. But the thing is in his performances,
Speaker 1: he so often has carried the light like Ferris Bueller.
Speaker 1: That's she's a fucking start right where it? Where did it? Like?
Speaker 1: Oh and the Producers? He carried the light in that
Speaker 1: like so many things. It's just like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think maybe he's just an older man now and
Speaker 1: just doesn't really give a funk. He's just settled into
Speaker 1: not caring, which I love. I think the reason I
Speaker 1: have pain there is because I really sighed with Kim Control.
Speaker 1: Really okay, So I think Kim ConTroll was the person
Speaker 1: on that show who had to like literally perform naked
Speaker 1: and funny. I'm not so vulnerable. She was delivering, she
Speaker 1: was selling every part like one never worked without her,
Speaker 1: and whenever there's three against one, I never believe the
Speaker 1: three because it's so unfair, like the idea that like
Speaker 1: those three girls were hanging out and then Kim Control
Speaker 1: feeling excluded and honestly that maybe the tallest of the
Speaker 1: groups had to go then and had to go then
Speaker 1: perform like naked sex scenes for the show where I
Speaker 1: imagine Sara Jessica Parker was making much more that sits
Speaker 1: badly with me, and the thing of like when her
Speaker 1: brother died, Sarah Jessica Parker like comments or posted something
Speaker 1: and she was like, bitch, this, you're not my friend.
Speaker 1: I'm like that's yeah, like you can do that, like
Speaker 1: that's and if there's so much pain there, I like,
Speaker 1: I believe her. I don't know. I think that Kim Control.
Speaker 1: I My assessment of this is she she had to
Speaker 1: play a part on that show that, um, I don't
Speaker 1: it can have felt good every single day, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And also you watch that show now
Speaker 1: and some elements are like some episodes are like shockingly
Speaker 1: out of touch, and I mean and like really really
Speaker 1: really really crazy, and I I don't think if you
Speaker 1: watch the whole thing now, Like you'd watch every storyline
Speaker 1: that she was in and feel good or happy for
Speaker 1: her character as confident and as like sex positive as
Speaker 1: she was, Like I had to feel and she's doing
Speaker 1: that every day, had to feel a little weird. So
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent this woman who's in her sixties.
Speaker 1: Her saying no, I'm not going to do Sex in
Speaker 1: the City three after Sex in the City too was
Speaker 1: what it was just because y'all want to do it
Speaker 1: and just because like you have my script and you
Speaker 1: want the money. I am at an age now where
Speaker 1: not only have I been doing it for for two decades,
Speaker 1: but it's just like not what I want to do anymore,
Speaker 1: like because my my function here is different than yours.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like essentially the sexual joke here. And they
Speaker 1: did give her some good storylines towards the end of
Speaker 1: the show, but like you know, those were few and
Speaker 1: far between, and so her being a woman in her sixties,
Speaker 1: if she says she doesn't want to do it, that's
Speaker 1: fucking yeah totally. There shouldn't be people shouldn't know that
Speaker 1: she said no, that she's the only one that shouldn't
Speaker 1: be that, And it's like to guilt her, like for
Speaker 1: there to be a like literal international conversation about whether
Speaker 1: or not she's grateful or acting like she said, no, y'all,
Speaker 1: that's it. Also, they're, like she said at times, like
Speaker 1: playing that role like was the reason for her marriage
Speaker 1: not working. I mean that's also sort of probably a
Speaker 1: deeply like I'm sure there's something and like also the
Speaker 1: whoever her husband was was probably like your me, girl,
Speaker 1: you know it's not honestly, here we go go uh
Speaker 1: And I feel like, uh, that's unfair to to like,
Speaker 1: uh does I can imagine mean, like this is something
Speaker 1: I want to leave behind. My naked bodies been literally
Speaker 1: everywhere for like so long. Let me be also like
Speaker 1: doing saying something, saying yes to something. Years ago she
Speaker 1: might not even say yes to that, And now nowadays
Speaker 1: she's just like fucking loving doing like British TV and
Speaker 1: like plays and ship like she is in a good
Speaker 1: place and she knows where she should be at this age.
Speaker 1: And also not for nothing but to be synonymous with
Speaker 1: the character of Samantha, like because she is synonymous with
Speaker 1: that character, like people wouldn't even be able to tell
Speaker 1: you the difference between her and that character because she's
Speaker 1: so iconic. That's just like she has every right to say.
Speaker 1: Guys know she and she was on I remember she
Speaker 1: went on Pierce Morgan's talk show right after the whole
Speaker 1: fallout and like you just Pierce Morgan's whatever. But she
Speaker 1: she is like, um, you do you watch that interview
Speaker 1: and she's just like yeah, like it was just really
Speaker 1: hurt like just doing that show with I guess the
Speaker 1: clickiness of it, like was really hurtful. And you you
Speaker 1: just you watched that and you're like, she's you believe
Speaker 1: you believe it. I So I also say, I don't
Speaker 1: believe that s JP, Cynthia Nixon and Chris and Davis
Speaker 1: are like bad people. I just think that some people
Speaker 1: get along on some people don't. Like your colleagues, they
Speaker 1: were extremely good at what they did. You believe that
Speaker 1: the four of them were best friends, writer dies. But
Speaker 1: that is what that is. You have to remember, like
Speaker 1: the relationships that you see on screen are not the
Speaker 1: relationships off screen. That is their job. They're really talented
Speaker 1: and good at what they do, but like they don't
Speaker 1: owe us anything and they don't owe each other anything
Speaker 1: like that's that's and that's like that And also after
Speaker 1: that second movie. It's like, what was what the funk
Speaker 1: was the storyline for Samantha in this movie? Like she
Speaker 1: gets split in half because she gets sucked so hard,
Speaker 1: Like seriously, what was she going to have? That that
Speaker 1: would have been really good? She's like ouch, I say
Speaker 1: split honey, someone called it doctor. All right, well I'm
Speaker 1: eating eggs. And of course that s JP would have
Speaker 1: like the punch line like okay, well, okay, well I'm
Speaker 1: getting eggs. I am why Yeah, Kristin Davis Christian, I
Speaker 1: love her and I am attracted to her, are you?
Speaker 1: I think she was fucking phenomenal in the first movie. No,
Speaker 1: so good, so good. Um, I think it's time. I
Speaker 1: think it might be time. I think it's time for
Speaker 1: the moment. I mean, I think Eva is a true
Speaker 1: veteran of the form. I mean, who could forget Vanessa Carlton.
Speaker 1: She fucking tore apart Enessa Carlton the housand Mine, Thank you? Wait?
Speaker 1: And then the first the first show, what did you do?
Speaker 1: Chris Chrissie t get Oh. I love that one. That
Speaker 1: was a good one. I have those ones I did
Speaker 1: ultimately prepare and this one sort of just going to
Speaker 1: be currently do not have. I had one a moment ago,
Speaker 1: and I'm letting it come back to me. Um no lost, Okay,
Speaker 1: got it, I'm ready. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I
Speaker 1: don't think so many as time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. Um uh, newsboy hats, I don't think
Speaker 1: these worked when Brittany was doing it. And when Brittany
Speaker 1: was doing it, that was like the moment for newsboy hats.
Speaker 1: And I actually don't think, so honey that they ever
Speaker 1: even worked on her, And they certainly don't work on you,
Speaker 1: reader listener, Um, I do not think so honor you
Speaker 1: in the year of our Lord twenty nine. So the
Speaker 1: thing about the newsboy um cap is that that is
Speaker 1: also a ridiculous name. Um there, let's tell them newspeople. Hello.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different people that delivered the news.
Speaker 1: So the thing is like, those little bills are too
Speaker 1: small and not functional. I don't think so honey, if
Speaker 1: you think that's getting the sun out of your eyes.
Speaker 1: There purely for style. And here's the thing about fashion.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't I shouldn't look at it and say, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a stylistic choice. I should be sneak attack I
Speaker 1: should think it's functional. So I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: newsboy caps um yea burn that was amazing. You know what,
Speaker 1: I don't think so true. If your fashion does not
Speaker 1: pretend to be something else, that's embarrassing. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like there's a reason why people are like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and it has pockets because pockets are functional.
Speaker 1: Like whenever it's whenever you're watching almost a top shot,
Speaker 1: whenever you're watching Project Runway, and like Nina Garcia will
Speaker 1: be like an out of those pockets. They'll be like
Speaker 1: they are pockets, and the model will go in and
Speaker 1: it'll be like, oh my god, I love it. It's editorial.
Speaker 1: It has pockets. It's like it's it's it's it's important
Speaker 1: because it's functional newsboy caps like those little business it's
Speaker 1: nothing and doesn't look good and so what's up right exactly?
Speaker 1: And so what are we doing here? A rule hat
Speaker 1: that keeps you warm, a but baseball cap that keeps
Speaker 1: the sun out of your out of your eyes, Like, sorry,
Speaker 1: but the newsboy caps is nothing I should we should
Speaker 1: point out out for people not familiar with Project one, right,
Speaker 1: it is the top chef of fashion. It is the
Speaker 1: top chef of fashion. Imagine exactly top chef but on
Speaker 1: a runway. Yes, yes, is Nina Garcia is still on
Speaker 1: protect that is she is. So I'll say it. I
Speaker 1: mean she's she's one of the meanest people in America.
Speaker 1: And also she is an icon, and she's gorgeous and
Speaker 1: she doesn't age like I hate it. It's not an
Speaker 1: it soral. You can't where where is she going? And
Speaker 1: there's no pockets. I don't want to see it. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is disgusting. Turn around, what's the back? How the
Speaker 1: models is insane? She's like, turn around. First of all,
Speaker 1: this girl is too tall and she looks enormous. Your
Speaker 1: model looks enormous. She's just like you just watched the
Speaker 1: model like a little lightly of our eyes. Fun my god, damn. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many he will do it starting now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many. Skincare toner, What the fuck
Speaker 1: is your problem? What do you do? And look? People
Speaker 1: say it's fancy water, it's supposed to be even at
Speaker 1: your skin tone. Oh what what? What is in the
Speaker 1: water the toner that's actually gonna give benefit my skin tone?
Speaker 1: And and the community is divided on whether or not
Speaker 1: you put a few droplets onto a cotton pan and
Speaker 1: wipe wipe white, or if you spray. Because now this new,
Speaker 1: this new trend is happening where you're supposed to it's
Speaker 1: you spray, but it doesn't. If you're not wiping away
Speaker 1: the impurities, then where does it go? What does it do?
Speaker 1: It's there's no there's no um you know thing, there's
Speaker 1: no resistance for you to pull down the impurity to explain,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I don't think so many Toner.
Speaker 1: The community doesn't agree on what you are and what
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be doing, the job you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing and be I think it's a scam. I
Speaker 1: think it's a scam for skincare lines companies to put
Speaker 1: water in a bottle and sell it to you. So
Speaker 1: I don't think somebody's skincare toner. I'm I will just
Speaker 1: stick to my seat of filth things. And that's what
Speaker 1: I'm at a complete loss with what to put on
Speaker 1: my face and what not to me too. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I have the worst I'll say it's
Speaker 1: skin in the world. Don't look now, I you, but
Speaker 1: it's but when somebody is bad skin, that's a sign
Speaker 1: that they know about skincare, just so you know, because
Speaker 1: I have bad sin, so I've had to learn. And
Speaker 1: if you've had perfect skin, the thing is, it's sad
Speaker 1: for you because you're never going to actually learn. So
Speaker 1: that's something I think you're supposed to. I don't know
Speaker 1: what toner is either, and I don't understand when like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense that a product could either be
Speaker 1: wiped away or not that you're supposed to wash your face,
Speaker 1: thank you, and then you're supposed to honestly maybe put
Speaker 1: on the serum, which isn't the same as toner isn't
Speaker 1: the same as there's also the disagreement on conventions with serum,
Speaker 1: whether you put it before or after your moisturizer. Yes,
Speaker 1: I always pocket it with and then I put moisturizer.
Speaker 1: I put moisturizer on last, I think, and that's the
Speaker 1: correct way. Do you know the podcast? So she has
Speaker 1: been a guest on our show. She did a really
Speaker 1: good episode with us, and I was on her show
Speaker 1: in l A. She has a great podcast where if
Speaker 1: if you guys listening, I have any questions about skincare,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that she can. Like, actually, our episode was
Speaker 1: was a lot about skincare um and it was really great.
Speaker 1: So if you want to become as knowledgeable as a victor,
Speaker 1: should you should make a competing match Jackie Johnson, I
Speaker 1: should say, Jackie Johnson, So moving on, Okay, here we go, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I do don't We'll see where we go. Okay. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, her time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. When you need gatorade and are under
Speaker 1: the weather and don't have someone you're dating, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is up with you being single and not having
Speaker 1: someone to fetch your gatorade for If you need gatorade,
Speaker 1: you need to be in bed. But if you're in bed,
Speaker 1: you need gatorade. And if you don't have a significant
Speaker 1: other or even a close friend if she's out of town, Natalie,
Speaker 1: then you need gatorade and you can't get it. That's
Speaker 1: not fair. If you need gatorade, you're insane because the
Speaker 1: way that tastes, if you're not saying so fucking bed,
Speaker 1: it tastes like like like salty dirt. And you know why,
Speaker 1: if you need you need you basically need to go
Speaker 1: to the hospital. So if so, if so, if you
Speaker 1: are my eggs, if you don't have to give it
Speaker 1: another and you get sick, that's a problem and you
Speaker 1: should call nine one one, probably to have them come
Speaker 1: pick you up because it's more likely. Okay, well let's
Speaker 1: look at our list. Oh yeah. The only thing a
Speaker 1: relationship is good for is when you're sick, and you
Speaker 1: know what, that's it. I don't think Johnny, whatever I
Speaker 1: said that, I would I would say that that is
Speaker 1: such a beautiful thing when you have someone to take
Speaker 1: care of you when you're sick. And that is another
Speaker 1: thing that gets lost in the tragedy of the breakup,
Speaker 1: is that losing how getting that person and knowing what
Speaker 1: that feels like and then losing that is like tragedy, tregedy, tregedy.
Speaker 1: You're literally the best singer in the go for you
Speaker 1: to say, I think it's true. Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of undrellable chili? Fucking self self burned? That was huge.
Speaker 1: I would say gatorade tastes absolutely bad. But if you
Speaker 1: had to do at what flavor is and you know
Speaker 1: which one is yellow, it's it's a light blue. It's
Speaker 1: it's okay, it's actually light blue. But what's your what's
Speaker 1: your being with dark blue? Okay, grape, it's great, it's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Grape sucks, dark blue stains. Hello. Light blue is newer
Speaker 1: and it comes in in a curvy bottle. Get with it.
Speaker 1: And I'm yellow as a classic. I used to have
Speaker 1: a soccer practice. That's a bra. Also wait, red honey, red, Yes,
Speaker 1: get like an icy three red No one time. Red
Speaker 1: Gatorade spilled in my lunch box and there is a
Speaker 1: little and it just and it clung onto me and
Speaker 1: fruit punch clung onto the punch punch and I loved that.
Speaker 1: I have never been able to like really remove myself
Speaker 1: from the trauma of that moment. You've never yelled at
Speaker 1: a girl like this. I've never yelled at their like this. Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we really covered the whole fucking
Speaker 1: gam at this episode. We started off really vulnerable and
Speaker 1: like raw, We started really from a place of vulnerability,
Speaker 1: which was a topic, and then we cracked that open
Speaker 1: and let everyone know who exactly we were. And when
Speaker 1: they got to know who we were, that is when
Speaker 1: we went into the messages of culture. And that's actually
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. That's exactly what happened? If you with
Speaker 1: us to you even want to say to people, not
Speaker 1: to them, to you, thank you as fucking hell, thank
Speaker 1: you to fucking hell. Amazing. It's wonderful. We we are obsessed.
Speaker 1: I I have high key, just fucking you know. I
Speaker 1: standing a nice standing turn in turn, I stand in
Speaker 1: turn and holy ship, good night. Actually, um, there is
Speaker 1: a song that we're going to sing right now, because
Speaker 1: we do end every episode with a song. Tragedy, tragedy, tragedy.
Speaker 1: It's a tragedy with It's a tragedy where somebody cries.
Speaker 1: It's a tragedy where holy things. O. God, God, Oh God, God, God, God. Yeah, God,
Speaker 1: You're real, God, you exist, God, God, God, Who God.
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