1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What did he do? 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: A mystery witness ghosts the prosecution? Will they find her 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: before the end of the state's case? This as did 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: he blames the stylist. Look what y'all made me do 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: after an incredibly vicious beating. I'm Nancy Grace. This is 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. 7 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 2: Wait are you telling me that Shawn Comes was in 8 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: London and through a fit because he didn't have the 9 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: right kind of catchup? 10 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: Did he want request jello and apple sauce? Apparently he 11 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 3: put apple sauce on his cheeseburgers. 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: He was particular about the temperature of the room. 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: So I've got Shawn Combs whining that the catch up 14 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: in London is different. And now you're telling me that 15 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: he travels. 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 4: With user mar Thank yous, right Brins, you hurd me right. 17 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 2: Joining me at the courthouse right now. Investigative reporter Lauren 18 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: Conlin from Pop Crime TV, Lauren, thank you for being 19 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: with us. Who is Deontay Nash? Can you summarize his 20 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: testimony so far? 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: Sure? 22 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 5: So? 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: Deontay Nash, the celebrity stylist and Cassie's very close friend 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: finished his cross examination this morning, which was done by 25 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: Xavier Donaldson, and Xavier Donaldson did point something out. He 26 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: pointed out some inconsistencies in his testimony, specifically about the 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 3: eye gash that Cassie got at her apartment when Deontay 28 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: jumped on his back and Mia jumped on his back 29 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: Diddy's back to stop him from doing this. Deontay testified 30 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: that while Cassie was on the ground and she was 31 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: bleeding from her eye, did he continue to kick her 32 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: and beat her. However, Donaldson pointed out that in all 33 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: his previous meetings with the government this was never mentioned 34 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: and it was a big deal, so why did he 35 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: never mention it. Donaldson also pointed out some text messages 36 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: from Nash to Ditty saying I love you, and this 37 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: was well after twenty eighteen when he stopped working for 38 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 3: him as a stylist, that I love you brother. Another 39 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 3: text message said, you know, how do I get an 40 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: invite to your party? So you know, we're seeing a 41 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: lot of this during cross examination of many witnesses. 42 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 6: They continued a relationship with. 43 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: Ditty well after they stopped being employed, and they seem 44 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: to want this relationship as well. Again, Deontay Nash did 45 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 3: seem to elicit some laughter even from the judge this morning. 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: He was very sassy, you know. Donaldson would say how 47 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: are you today, sir, and he would say blessed, and 48 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: again he would kind of jump ahead in his testimony 49 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: in which the judge was like, Okay, you have to stop, 50 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 3: you have to stop. You can't, you can't. It's not 51 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: a free for all here. So he definitely offered a 52 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: little bit of lightness. 53 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 6: Amid all of the darkness that we've been hearing. 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: Lauren Colin, who is Maya. 55 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: According to her, she is the victim of a violent 56 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: sex assault by Sean Combs. Could you give me a 57 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: summary of MIA's testimony. 58 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: Mia was Ditty's former assistant and director of marketing at 59 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 3: Revolt TV. She was one of Cassie's closest friends, described 60 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: them as sisters and actually said they're still friends to 61 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: this day. And oh, we learned about why the jury 62 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: was asked about Mike Myers. Mia was a former personal 63 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: assistant to Mike Myers, and she described those hours being 64 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: from ten to six regularly. She said occasionally she would 65 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: get a call on the weekend from Mike Myers to 66 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: watch his dog or something like that. So when she 67 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: took the job as the personal assistant to Sean Colmes. 68 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 6: It was a real shell shock. 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: And these are my words, not hers, but she described 70 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: that her first day of work, she she didn't go 71 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: to sleep. She showed up in the morning. She was 72 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: sent to his new Jersey house to do some kind 73 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: of inventory. She got back to the Bad Boy office 74 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: around ten pm, and then she was told to go 75 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: to the studio to meet Ditty, and she describes not 76 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: going home until the next day after one pm, and 77 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: she shopped it up as being her first day kind 78 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: of being on trial. But then she described another instance 79 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 3: where she did not sleep for five days straight. She 80 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: described taking time released adderall to help her stay awake, 81 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 3: but at one point, she said, she just lost her equilibrium. 82 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 3: Her body kind of broke down. She ride uncontrollable tears, 83 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: and he finally sent her home to sleep. 84 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 6: She also discussed that Cassie was and she Mia was. 85 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: They were terrified of Ditty and punishment that they would 86 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: receive if they did not listen. She described it as 87 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 3: being terrifying and unpredictable. We also heard the story about 88 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 3: Cassie gashing her eye on the bed for the third time. 89 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: We previously heard it from Deontae Nash, Cassie Stylits and 90 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: best friend Cassie herself, and now Mia. And while each 91 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: story does change a bit, the main event is the same. 92 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 3: Did he threw Cassie against the bed and there was 93 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: a gash in her eye and she had to go 94 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: to a plastic surgeon. We've seen ditty b stoic at 95 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: some points with the assistance, he would nod his head. 96 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 6: Yes, he would laugh a little bit. 97 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: I've seen him shake his head like this no twice 98 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: when it came to Mia and her testimony, and one 99 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: of those times was when Mia mentioned a sexual assault. 100 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 6: I specifically watched him shake his head. 101 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: No. 102 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: What was Maya's demeanor on the stand? 103 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: MIA's demeanor on the stand, She had her head down, 104 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: she she was quiet, she spoke low, and she honestly 105 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: gives me this timid vibe. We're not supposed to go 106 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: into too much detail about Mia. We had a speech 107 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: from the judge because she is using a pseudonym, and 108 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 3: we were told that her testimony is no important than 109 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 3: any other testimony. 110 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: Lauren Colin, I believe that MIA's testimony is critical in 111 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: its own right, but possibly more important, it corroborates or 112 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: bolsters everything Cassie Ventura described. 113 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: The point is. 114 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: Ventura was not in this willingly, especially toward the end. 115 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: I mean she even threatened to jump off a balcony. 116 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: She had to go back to a freak off. And 117 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: that's how I see Mia as corroborating everything Ventura said, 118 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: which shows sex trafficking. 119 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: Lauren Colin joining us at the courthouse. 120 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: Now joining Sidney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter. The hiding 121 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: at the Hotel Sidney Sumner. That came from Deontaey Nash, 122 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: the stylist, where he had observed a vicious, vicious beating 123 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: of Cassie. And he actually, and I think he got 124 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: his start with Seawan Comes. I'll circle back to that Sydney, 125 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: but he tried to protect Cassie Venture. He's afraid that 126 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: Comes is going to kill her. Tell us what happened Sidney, Well. 127 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 7: Nancy, what we learned from Deontay Nash is that Colly's 128 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 7: burst into Cassie's la apartment and told her to get 129 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 7: out of his house. We don't know exactly what spurred 130 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 7: that argument, but Nash told us that Combs physically shoved 131 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 7: both of them out of that la apartment. 132 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 6: But then a few minutes. 133 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 7: Later, as they were driving away, Comb's called Cassie and 134 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 7: told them to pull over. Combs approached Cassie's window and 135 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 7: at that point he threatened to release her sex tapes. Responded, Hey, 136 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 7: that's a big threat because he's in them too, right, 137 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 7: so he can't use that against you. And that's when 138 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 7: Cassie first told Nash that no, Combs isn't in those 139 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 7: sex stapes, it's me and other men. So from there, 140 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 7: Nash was going to take Cassie back to his home, 141 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 7: but he gets a call from his boss who tells him, Hey, 142 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 7: Shaun Combs just asks for your address. I don't know why, 143 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 7: but I wanted to let you know. So he looks 144 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 7: at Cassie's tells her to get out of the car 145 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 7: and take a cab to the nearest hotel, so she 146 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 7: does that. Nash gets back to his house. Just a 147 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 7: few minutes later, Comb's, his chief of staff, and a 148 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 7: security guard show up at his house demands to know 149 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 7: where Cassie is. They search his home and when Nash's 150 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 7: phone rings, it has a caller ID from a nearby hotel, 151 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 7: so Combs quickly puts those pieces together and demands that 152 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 7: Nash go get Cassie from this hotel room. So Cassie 153 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 7: has stayed here before, Nash has stayed there with her. 154 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 7: They're familiar with the hotel staff, so Nash is able 155 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 7: to convince staff to let him and Comb's chief of 156 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 7: staff at the time, Tony Fletcher, go up to the room. 157 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 7: And when Cassie sees Tony Fletcher's face, he freaks out. 158 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 7: She's immediately terrified because she knows Cones has found her. 159 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 7: So Tony's like, hey, Conbes is downstairs. We need you 160 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 7: to come out and come meet him. He wants you 161 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 7: to come with him. And at that point is when 162 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 7: Cassie allegedly threatened to go over the balcony instead of 163 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 7: coming down to go see Combes. 164 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: You know, doctor Bethany Marshall joining me renown psychoanalyst. 165 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: Out of Beverly Hills. 166 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: She is the author of deal Breaker, and you can 167 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 2: see her now on peacock. She's at doctor Bethany Marshall 168 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: dot com. Doctor Bethany, I just don't get all the 169 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: people that are saying, oh, Cassie Ventura is in it 170 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: for the money. Oh and by the way, just a 171 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: big fyi Cassie Venturira, he had his birth while Capricorn Clark, 172 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: who worked for Sean Combs, is on the stand basically 173 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: trashing her, saying she's a no talent user and I 174 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: don't know where that came from, you know, jealous. He's 175 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: a very ugly serpent. That's a whole another can of worms, 176 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: but doctor Bethany. According to Deontae Nash, as reported by 177 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: Lauren Collin, Cassie gets his injury on her forehead from 178 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: Diddy beating her so badly she fell on a bed. 179 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: Frame and ripped her forehead open. 180 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: He also described an incident where they had to hide 181 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: at a hotel. That's what Sidney's telling us about right now. 182 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: And Combs gets ninety five mph. It reminds me when 183 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 2: he jumped in the car. Let's go get sugar or 184 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: let's go kill Cuddy gets in the car ninety five. 185 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: NBA's driving around trying to find Cassie. He sees a 186 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: phone call come in on somebody else's phone, figures out 187 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: it's a hotel. 188 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: And they go to the hotel somehow. 189 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: Once again, he breaks the rules and finds out which 190 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 2: hotel room is hers and sends his hitch people to 191 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 2: go get her, and she would rather jump off the 192 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: balcony than go back to comes. Yet, people like Philip 193 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: Dubay joining us tonight and says she was there willingly. 194 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: I don't get it. She'd rather jump off a balcony, 195 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, what's going. 196 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 8: To happen is that he is taking her to be 197 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 8: raped by other men. He's dragging her into the scene 198 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 8: of a crime. He's offering her things and he's taking 199 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 8: them away. She is completely under his control. 200 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: Nancy. 201 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 8: I've been following the witness testimony very very carefully, and 202 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 8: every time he stalks her, beats her, intrudes into her life, 203 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 8: it's because she is developing some autonomy, a very slight autonomy, 204 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 8: or she's enjoying somebody. Maybe she's with Nash, you know, 205 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 8: they're cooking dinner, or she a girlfriend spending the night 206 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 8: at her house. I think in this particular incident, she 207 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 8: was about to perform at a music festival. So every 208 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 8: time she just had an ounce of independent, of independence, 209 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 8: he would just beat her within an inch of her life. 210 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 8: Who wants to stay alive in a situation like that, 211 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 8: I think any of us would become suicidal in sex. 212 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 8: Nancy taking her own life was her only way out, 213 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 8: and we saw this with Virginia Jeffries, who recently died 214 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 8: that you know, life just became unbearable at some point. 215 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 8: It's a miracle that she's still alive. 216 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: Quite frankly, well, I'm glad you said that. Joining me now. 217 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: In addition to doctor Bethany and Sidney Sumner, Rachel Fisher 218 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: is with US anti trafficking expert. She starred in a 219 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two documentary Surviving Sex Trafficking. She is a 220 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 2: forensic nurse, she's a sex assault nurse examiner, and much more. 221 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Rachel Fisher, thank you for being with us. 222 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: Isn't it true that many women that have been trafficked, 223 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: you know, having one sex partner, you know, thirty forty 224 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: sex partners in one day, they choose death over being 225 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: forced back into sex trafficking. 226 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: Isn't that true? 227 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 4: Very often? 228 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 9: We see that and the trauma and lethality factors that 229 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 9: they face from their abusers and the johns the people 230 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 9: are forced to have sex with that's also causing them pain. 231 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 9: Sometimes their only way out is death and so the 232 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 9: balcony seems pretty appealing. And in this case, you've got 233 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 9: a situation where every time she tries to leave, he 234 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 9: finds her. So that chase that's stalking the pimp or 235 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 9: her boyfriend finding her. She doesn't have a way out. 236 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 9: And then what we have here, we have a pattern 237 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 9: of activities. We see this over and over again. Then 238 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 9: we see that enterprise other people that are involved. She 239 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 9: doesn't she can't just leave because she doesn't own the door. 240 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 9: He does, and he has people that are there on 241 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 9: each side of the door, so there is nowhere else 242 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 9: for her to go. 243 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 2: Sound very curious to Robert Crispin joining me private investigator 244 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: Christmas Special Investigations, formerly with the Department of Justice. 245 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: With the DEA. 246 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: He goes on and on now at Crispin Investigations dot com. 247 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: Robert, I don't see him. 248 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: When I look at Sean Combs, I'll reared back in 249 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 2: that courtroom, which is a whole nother study in nonverbal communication. 250 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: He reminds me of those lions that you see, you know, 251 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: pictures of They're all reared back dozing while the lioness 252 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: has to go out and bring in all the food 253 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: and take care of the children. Who's just like kicked back, 254 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: totally relaxed, large and in charge. 255 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: That said Crispin. 256 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: In my mind, when I look at comes, I see 257 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: every pimp I ever prosecuted, evil, dangerous, violent, brutal, And 258 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: at one point, after he gave Cassie an incredibly brutal beating, goes, 259 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: look what y'all made me do? That's such bs. He's 260 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: no different than a thug, Crispin. 261 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, you're starting to look into the life 262 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 10: of who did he really really was and is. 263 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 4: It's just it's. 264 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 10: Beyond and the world is starting to see who he is, 265 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 10: and the world is starting to see all the people. 266 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 4: All the henchmen that worked for him. Where were they 267 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 4: to protect Cassie? 268 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: And that's a whole other layer of Chris But I'm 269 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: glad you said that, because everybody would just stand around 270 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: and watch her get getting beaten and do nothing. So 271 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: it was kind of reinforced by the do nothings. So 272 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: Philip debate joining me veteran try a lawyer out of 273 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: the la jurisdiction debate, how can you keep saying that 274 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: she was in it for the money and the fame 275 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: that she wanted to be in free coughs. 276 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 11: I truly believe that she was setting up this fantasy 277 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 11: risk a lifestyle for him for whatever reason it could 278 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 11: have been, because she was a hopeful starlet herself. She 279 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 11: was a monkey sort of R and B performer, and 280 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 11: what better way to make a name for yourself and 281 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 11: break into the business than to hook up with Sean 282 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 11: Diddy Combs. The problem is, I'll give you that is 283 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 11: not a in a choir boy. I wouldn't set a 284 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 11: plate for him at sator time. But to be fair, 285 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 11: being a brute, being a batterer does not mean you're 286 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 11: a racketeer, and that ultimately is what the prosecution has 287 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 11: to prove. And I'm telling you now, Nancy. 288 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 4: You watch this. They're falling short. 289 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 11: I know you don't want to hear it, but the 290 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 11: truth be told, this is over filed. 291 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it because it's not true. 292 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 11: Well, of course I would defend him on these charges. 293 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 11: In fact, I would even do it pro bona. 294 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: Okay, fine, fine, you defend him. Okay. Back to Lauren 295 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: Collin joining us at the courthouse. 296 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised that so many because so many 297 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: people have turned their backs on Cassie Ventira, and now 298 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: we've got the missing mystery witness we know to be Gina, 299 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: who reportedly was forced to have two abortions by Shawn Comes. 300 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: That Gina has ghosted the prosecution. But this guy, Deontae Nash, 301 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: didn't Shawn Combs actually give him his start in the 302 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: fashion business. 303 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 3: He was an intern at Bad Boy, and he got 304 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: him to say that he wasn't exactly sober for some 305 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 3: of his meetings with the government. 306 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 6: He was high for some of them. 307 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 2: You know, I find that very persuasive, Doctor Bethany Marshall, 308 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: because Shawn Comes gave him his start. 309 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: Yet he was willing to put his life. 310 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: On the line and try to protect Cassie Ventura while 311 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: so many other people did nothing, stood by and let 312 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: it happen. 313 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 8: You know, in situations like this we discover who truly 314 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 8: has a moral fiber. He had a moral fiber. He 315 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 8: cared about Cassie. He became a friend of Cassie's. All 316 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 8: these other people were aligned with p Diddy. We could 317 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 8: say maybe a few of them were frightened, but by 318 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 8: and large, there were so many resources in that city. 319 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 8: They could have called the police, They could have called 320 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 8: nine one one. They could have called the National Domestic 321 00:17:55,240 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 8: Abuse Hotline. So many resources, nobody used them to protect Castie. 322 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 5: You know. 323 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: Lauren Collins said something else interesting. She said that yes, 324 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 2: Seawan Colmmes gave him his start, but she also reported 325 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 2: that he confessed in some of his meetings with the 326 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: government he was high. High is a kite for some 327 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: of those meetings. Well, at least he admitted it and 328 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: didn't lie, Because Philip Dubay I love nothing more than 329 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: catching a liar on the stand. 330 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: You can be a center. Sure, go get high. 331 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: I'm sure there are people on this jury that are 332 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: not afraid of a big fat doobie, or at least 333 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: they are middle aged sons that he's sitting at home 334 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: watching TV in their basement probably high right now. 335 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: So that's not that shocking. 336 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: But if Deontay Nash had lied about it, he would 337 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: have been tarred and feather and rode out of town. 338 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 11: Right absolutely, well, I'm going to take him at his word. 339 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 11: I believe that, you know, even though he's a stylist, 340 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 11: he does more said here with dippity Doo and Aquinet. 341 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 11: I believe that he saw everything that he deified to 342 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 11: I genuinely mean it. 343 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: What did you just say about Dippity do In Aquinet. 344 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 2: I don't mocking him because you think he could be gay. 345 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: Dippity do In Aquinet, you to make poke fun in him. 346 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: He probably makes more money in a year than you 347 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: and me put together. 348 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 11: Debay, probably, but not anymore because the Daddy days are over. 349 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 11: So he's just a West Side stylist. 350 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure he makes you think Daddy is his only client. 351 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: I doubt that. I doubt that. And I don't like 352 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: your dipity do comment. You know where you can shove 353 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: that another thing, you know. 354 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: Crispin, You in your capacity with do OJ and more 355 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: and I have put witnesses on the stand and you 356 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: you've you know, they know what their testimony is going 357 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: to be, and then they flub and you. 358 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: Go, okay, let me refresh. 359 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: Your recollection, mister Crispin, could you review States Exhibit No. 360 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: Number Three? And they go, yeah, out and what that is? 361 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 5: Okay? 362 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: So apparently that's what happened with Deontae Nash. So you 363 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: know that's not the end of the world. 364 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 10: Yeah, well, that wouldn't be the first time that that's 365 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 10: happened to a government witness. And the fact that they 366 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 10: interviewed this guy why he was high. 367 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 4: To me, as a former agent, that's a problem. 368 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 10: I would probably wait until he's not high, and that 369 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 10: would be one of my questions. 370 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 4: In the beginning. Then are you under. 371 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 10: The influence of any drugs and narcotics or alcohol at 372 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 10: this point, because anything he tells me probably isn't going 373 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 10: to be one hundred percent of truth, and I need 374 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 10: one hundred percent of the truth if I plan on 375 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 10: moving forward to take something to a. 376 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 4: Grand jurate. 377 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, we are just learning that 378 00:20:52,840 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: the president has granted two serious pardons. Is Sean Combs 379 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 2: in line for a presidential pardon? 380 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 12: Listen, many believe Sean Combs rushing the legal process on 381 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 12: the belief there may be a presidential pardon waiting for him. 382 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 12: Say his allies CosIng up to presidential staffers since Trump's 383 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 12: reelection comes relatable to Trump as they've been friendly over 384 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 12: the years, and both insisted sexual assault allegations are false. 385 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 12: But given the seriousness of the charges, a pardon or 386 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 12: commutation for Combs would be a pr nightmare for the president. Okay, 387 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 12: PR nightmare? Does Trump care about that? 388 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 3: This? 389 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: On the heels of the Chrisly pardons of the mister 390 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 2: and missus Chrisly Sidney Sumner. How much were the Chrislies 391 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: convicted of defrauding? How many millions of dollars did they 392 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: rip off? 393 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 5: Thirty million, Nancy. That's a big. 394 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 2: Number, okay, thirty million dollars. And here's my concern as 395 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: it relates to Sean Combs. We now know that in 396 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: the last hours a presidential pardon goes out. 397 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: To nb A young Boy and Larry Hoover. Who are they? 398 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: NBA Young Boy was in a federal pen for illegal 399 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 2: firearm possessioned and according to his lawyer, a renowned criminal 400 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: defense attorney that I've sparred with in the past, Drew Finling, 401 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: states that his client, NBA Young Boy was pardoned without 402 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: even asking. He did not even submit a formal request. 403 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: Oh okay. 404 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 2: But more concerning in addition to NBA Young Boy would 405 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: be Larry Hoover. I hope that doesn't ring a bell 406 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 2: to many people, but he is the founder of the 407 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: Chicago's Gangster Disciples, serving six life sentences to murder and conspiracy. 408 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 2: His case got attention. Here's the connection. After a twenty 409 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: two benefit concert by Kanye West and Drake see. 410 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: Where I'm going with this. 411 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: So Hoover, the founder of the Chicago Gangster Disciples gang, 412 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: a notoriously violent gang, was a subject of a benefit 413 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: that was performed by Drake and Kanye West, who's a 414 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: complete idiot West is anyway. So now we've got the 415 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 2: rap and hip hop world involved in Larry Hoover. 416 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: So okay, Sidney Sumner. 417 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: Now two more controversial pardons, and the word is that 418 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: Sean comes is basically, hey, can we skip the trial 419 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: part and get onto the pardon. 420 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 7: Many people believe that that's what Sean Combs is thinking 421 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 7: throughout this entire trial, why he pushed for a speedy trial. 422 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 5: But I don't. 423 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 7: Think Trump could do this with the seriousness of these 424 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 7: charges and not be mowed down by angry mobs deservedly. 425 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: So now here's the thing when you say, in a 426 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: crime of this serious nature, here's my concern. And you know, 427 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: I hate politics. I don't get into politics because they 428 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: make me nauseous. But Robert Crispin, the founder of the 429 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: Chicago Disciples gangster Disciples gang, linked to murder and conspiracy charges. 430 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: That's serious. How much more serious can charge be? Other 431 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: than murder. And I'm not. 432 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: Asking you to wade into a political morass. I'm talking 433 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: about the possibility based on on a track record. You've 434 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 2: got the Chrislies, who it's a done deal. They were 435 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 2: convicted of thirty million dollars defrauding. Now you've got inby 436 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: a young boy, and now you've got Larry Hoover. I'm 437 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 2: very concerned after all this, could there be a presidential 438 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: pardon of Combs if there's ever a conviction. 439 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 10: Well, I will tell you, Nancy that I think, like 440 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 10: everybody else, I'm shocked about Hoover's pardon the other two rappers. 441 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 4: Kind of the timing is a little suspect. 442 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 10: The fact that Diddy Combs's entourage has been cozying up 443 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 10: to that particular political party is a concern from a 444 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 10: government guy because the government. 445 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: He just said something really important because Sidney Sumner. 446 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: As it relates back to the Chrisly pardons, isn't it 447 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: true the daughter Savannah Chrisley insinuated herself at mar a 448 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 2: Lago and other fundraising events and that's how she got 449 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 2: to the Trump people to get the pardon for her 450 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: mom and dad. 451 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 13: Yes, that is correct, and we know that allies, so 452 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 13: called allies of Diddy are apparently cozying up to Trump's staff, 453 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 13: but reports. 454 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 7: Her saying that it hasn't made it to Trump's ears 455 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 7: and they're not sure it ever will. 456 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 2: Okay, guys off politics and a potential pardon, and I 457 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: want to get to a missing witness, a witness that 458 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: has apparently ghosted the state. 459 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: She's in the indictment. We know about her. 460 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 2: It's Gina reportedly subjected to two forced abortions. 461 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: By Sean Combs. 462 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: Now that takes a lot of backbone to stand up 463 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: Feds and not show up pursue it to a subpoena. 464 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: If she did get a subpoena, who is Gina Sydney Summer. 465 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: Who is she? 466 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 7: Gina is another girlfriend of Diddy, and she was dating 467 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 7: the Mogul the Rapper at the same time as Cassie 468 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 7: from twenty fourteen to roughly twenty nineteen, so that's for 469 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 7: a five year relationship. It was fairly serious. But the 470 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 7: whole time she was completely aware that Holmes was also 471 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 7: dating Cathy, and he reminded Gina of that over and over. 472 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 7: She says he constantly belittled her and used Kafie against her, 473 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 7: but she really fell for him, and she described falling 474 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 7: for him because he told her he loved her. It 475 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 7: was kind of a love bombing, like they had only 476 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 7: known each other for a few months, and Combs came 477 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 7: on really strong, so she felt they had a real connection. 478 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 7: Like Kathy, she stayed despite years of abuse. 479 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 2: We are live at the courthouse Sean Combs aka Diddy 480 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: aka Puff Puffy Puff Daddy Love and meeting many more 481 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: monikers on trial in a multi count federal indictment. At 482 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: this hour, a missing Ditty witness mysteriously vanishes days before 483 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: the trial, and her allegations are some of the most disturbing. 484 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: Yet. 485 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 2: Victim number three, as laid out in the indictment, is 486 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 2: reportedly Gina Wynn. 487 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: And why has she disappeared? I think I know. 488 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 14: Listen, he like stumped on my stomach, like really hardened. 489 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 14: I took the wind out of my breath. I couldn't 490 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 14: even I couldn't breathe, and he kept but he kept 491 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 14: hitting me. 492 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: That from Unwined with Tasha Kay joining me an all 493 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: star panel, Sidney Sumner, you believe that victim number three, 494 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: reportedly Gina Howen, will never testify. 495 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 5: Why you disappeared. Nancy, we haven't heard from her since 496 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 5: before trial. And this seems very very odd because prosecutors 497 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 5: did secure an alias for Gina to testify under a pseudonym. 498 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 5: She was not supposed to give up her actual identity 499 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 5: on the stand. But just a few days before trial 500 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 5: they came back and said, no, Victim three wants to 501 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 5: testify under her name, of course not revealing her name 502 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 5: at that time, but they changed their mind and said 503 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 5: we don't need this alias anymore. And then as we 504 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 5: went to trial, we suddenly couldn't find Victim three anymore. 505 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 5: So it's a very odd progression of events from wanting 506 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 5: to come out, wanting to tell her story, wanting to 507 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 5: own her own identity on the stand, and then. 508 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: Vanishing crime stories with Nancy Grace too, Rachel Fisher joining 509 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: me anti trafficking expert. I had the same thing happen 510 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: in a child sex trafficking case. 511 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: The victim went missing. 512 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: The trial had already started, Okay, the trial had already started. 513 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: The next morning was the vic We'd done opening statements 514 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: and the victim disappeared. So I shuffled the witnesses and 515 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: started with other witnesses and that night my investigator and 516 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: I were out till five o'clock in the morning and we. 517 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: Found the girl and she came in. 518 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: And testified, and she was petrified, but she testified, and 519 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 2: there was a conviction that purpse got twenty to life 520 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: behind bars. So this is not uncommon and I find 521 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: it really interesting. I'll circle back to Bethy Marshall on 522 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: this that she was very bold at the get go, 523 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: saying I don't need a pseudonym, I don't need a 524 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: Jane Doe. I'm going to testify under my own name, 525 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: and then she does a runner. 526 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 9: It's very common for cases like this, especially with trafficking. 527 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 9: We don't see a lot of these cases going up 528 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 9: because they're afraid to testify it in front of their abuser, 529 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 9: in front of their trafficker. And in a case like this, 530 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 9: it's even more so that fear of retaliation, the fear 531 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 9: of not being believed. But in a situation where there's 532 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 9: more than one person, even if the defendant that they're 533 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 9: looking at while being on the stand goes away, they 534 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 9: have a whole enterprise behind them. They have security guards, 535 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 9: they have their goons on the outside that will find them, 536 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 9: and that is a real thing. Especially when you experienced 537 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 9: it and you hear others talking about it. 538 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 2: And we've seen that Rachel Fisher unfold in this case, 539 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall, over and over again, we hear about 540 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: a bodyguard, a hinch person working for Seawan Combs going 541 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: and physically dragging Cassie Ventura back, and what the state's 542 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: doing now, And they did it with Deontay Nash, They've 543 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: done it with Capricorn Clark, who seemingly has some beef 544 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: against Cassie Ventira whatever, because when Cassie's in the hospital 545 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: giving birth, Kepricorn Clark's on the stand trashing her talent. 546 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: That said, it happens over and over and over. 547 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: The alleged victim gets dragged back. That's just what Rachel 548 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: Fisher was saying. 549 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: But at the. 550 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: Beginning, the ghosting witness, Gina Hoen was very brave. She 551 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: was full of bravado that she didn't need a moniker, 552 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: she didn't need to be a Jane Doe. And then 553 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 2: suddenly now she's gone, Nancy. 554 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 8: Something happened. We don't know now what it is, but 555 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 8: some threat has to have been made against her because 556 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 8: she wanted to be on the stand she wanted to 557 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 8: be like a Cassie Ventura. She was willing to face 558 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 8: down her abuser. But the question is if P Diddy 559 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 8: was willing to call Cassie Ventura's parents and threatened to 560 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 8: release sex tapes if they did not mortgage their house 561 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 8: or get a lean or a loan for twenty thousand dollars. 562 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 8: What are Sean Combs I guess the criminals who act 563 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 8: in concert with him, what kind of threats are they 564 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 8: making against witness number three. I'm sure it is terrifying 565 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 8: and that she fears for her life she goes on 566 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 8: that stand. 567 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 2: Well, obviously she's going to corroborate everything that Cassie Ventura 568 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: has testified to, and that's what the state needs to 569 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: do now in case there are still people like Philip 570 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: Dubay claiming she was in it for the money and 571 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: the fame. Let's hear more of what Sean Comes' defense 572 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 2: team is so afraid of. 573 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 14: He grabbed my hair from the bag and was like 574 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 14: punching the back of my head because he was just 575 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 14: avoiding my face when he was kidding me. 576 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: Again that from Unwined with Tasha Kay, same thing, same 577 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: exact scenario, grabbing her by her hair, pulling her around. 578 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 2: We heard the same thing from Cassie Ventura. We heard 579 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 2: the same thing from the sex worker who came amen. 580 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: And when Cassie Ventura was complaining or wouldn't do what 581 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: Shawn Comb said during a free cough, he grabbed her 582 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 2: by her hair, pulled her to another room. The sex 583 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 2: worker could hear him beating her, and the beating was 584 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 2: so bad she ran back and jumped in the lap 585 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: of the sex worker. So we see a common theme. 586 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 2: Same thing you're hearing Gina when say why won't she testify? 587 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 2: And a forced abortion. We heard rumors of a forced 588 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 2: surgical procedure early on. 589 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: Is this that. 590 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: Procedure, Sidney Sumner, not one but two alleged abortions forced 591 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 2: on Gina? We think is mystery witness victim number three? 592 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: What can you tell me about the forced abortions? 593 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 7: Well, Nancy Gina, in this twenty nineteen interview, said she 594 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 7: first got pregnant by Sean Combs about nine months after 595 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 7: meeting him, so early into their relationship. And that's what 596 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 7: you just heard her describing is well, I don't know 597 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 7: that I want. 598 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 5: To get rid of this child. I love you, I 599 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 5: know it's early, but maybe we should keep it. And 600 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 5: Sean Combs was insistent that she have an abortion and 601 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 5: offered her fifty grand to do so. So Gina explains 602 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 5: that she turned down the money because she didn't want 603 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 5: him to think that that's what she was after Combs 604 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 5: went to burning Man while she had this abortion, So 605 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 5: she's doing something she doesn't want to do in the 606 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 5: first place. This is an extremely personal, hard choice for 607 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 5: many women. She's upset, she's emotionally fragile, and she can't 608 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 5: even reach Combs for two weeks while he's out in 609 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 5: the Las Vegas desert with Taffy, while she's sitting in 610 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 5: bed recovering from this medical procedure emotionally harmed. 611 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: We are live at the Federal Courthouse bringing you the 612 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 2: latest in the prosecution of Sean Comb's aka Diddy. We 613 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 2: are learning about a missing witness, a mystery witness, victim 614 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 2: number three, who has absolutely goes. 615 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: To the state. 616 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 2: Is there any chance of bringing her in from the 617 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 2: cold and getting her up on that witness stand. In 618 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: the last hour's pseudonym Mia was on the stand describing 619 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: brutality attacks. All of this goes to proving coercion proving 620 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: women were forced to take part in free coughs and 621 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 2: that Shawn Cons's employees were used as minions to further 622 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 2: criminal activity, which is reco I see why Shawn Combs 623 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: doesn't want Gina on the stand because, like Mia pseudonym, 624 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 2: it corroborates everything. Cassie Ventura said, that's what the state's 625 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: doing with all of these witnesses. Philip dubay that on 626 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 2: trial lawyer out of la is there a way with 627 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 2: subpoena to actually force the witness to take the stand. 628 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 4: Of course there is. 629 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 11: I tell people all the time that a subpoena is 630 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 11: not a PSA. It's not a save the date, it's 631 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 11: not an invitation, it's not a flyer to a block party. 632 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 11: It is compulsory process through which you must appear in court. Now, 633 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 11: whether or not you refuse to testify as another question, 634 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 11: and to be quite candid, I'm not sure if she's 635 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 11: afraid to come to court because she's afraid that she 636 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 11: might incriminate herself and absent a full grant of use 637 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 11: in transactional immunity, she does not want to be added 638 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 11: as a co conspirator or maybe added as an unindicted 639 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 11: co conspirator. That's the last thing that. 640 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 1: She moved on. 641 00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 2: We've already seen two witnesses so far be given immunity 642 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 2: by the judge in order to testify. One went and 643 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 2: obtain illegal drugs for Shawn Combs. Another did similar activity 644 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 2: for Shawn Combs. Both of them got immunity. So this 645 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 2: woman could have immunity. And yes, I'm not happy I 646 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 2: had to do it, but I've had to have a 647 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 2: witness arrested and brought to the courtroom. 648 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: Did I like it? 649 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 7: No? 650 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: I didn't like it that I have to do it 651 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: to prove my case. Yes I did. 652 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 2: And once you get on the stand, unless you are 653 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 2: going to claim Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination, you've 654 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 2: got to testify. 655 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: If you don't testify. 656 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 2: When you're on the stand, you can be held in 657 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: contempt and put in jail for up to thirty days 658 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 2: in the state system. So if the witness, as you 659 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 2: accurately stated the law debate, if the witness is afraid 660 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 2: they're going to incriminate themselves, the judge can immediately. 661 00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: Give them immunity. 662 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 2: Right then they have no reason legally not to testify, 663 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 2: and they can be forced to testify isn't that true? 664 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 5: Yes? 665 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 11: Absolutely. I mean once you are given a full grant 666 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 11: of immunity, either through prosecutors or through the court judicially, 667 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 11: then you've got to take the stand. Otherwise you can 668 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 11: be jailed for contempt. 669 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 4: Now, there is a. 670 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 11: Split of authority in state and federal court that even 671 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 11: if you show up but you refuse to testify in 672 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 11: a domestic violence case, the court cannot jail you for 673 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 11: refusing to testify on the theory that they don't want 674 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 11: the witness or the victim to have to relive the trauma. 675 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 11: So the fact that they have appeared and not haulted 676 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 11: on the subpoena will save them. But whether or not 677 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 11: they can be forced. 678 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 2: To you, I hear you about domestic violence, but I 679 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 2: want to get to can't Maya be forced in? 680 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: If she's given immunity, can she be forced to testify? 681 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is a pattern to Robert Crispin. 682 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 2: We see things print cards critical to showing who conducted 683 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 2: the firebomb on key Cutty's card. We see the fingerprint 684 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 2: cards disappear from within the LAPD. We see a bribery 685 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 2: attempt at the Intercontinental about the Cassie beatdown. Kim has 686 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 2: tried to pay off a security guard, right, and now 687 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 2: mysteriously a witness disappears. 688 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 1: Are you seeing a pattern? 689 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 4: I'm seeing a huge pattern. And this is one witness 690 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 4: that the defense and did he do not want on 691 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 4: the stand? And why is that? 692 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 10: Because through all these other victims that have come forward, 693 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 10: they were pregnant, they didn't get kicked in the stomach. 694 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 10: We're adding the element now of a child, of a baby. 695 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:48,720 Speaker 4: In a womb. 696 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 10: None of that happened with anybody else that's been here. 697 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 10: This is now the element that they don't want to 698 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 10: get to the jury. And let's step back a little farther. 699 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 10: We're not talking about calling the cops and getting the 700 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,280 Speaker 10: stuff done. How about he kicked her in the stomach? 701 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 4: What happened? Did he kill that child when he did that? 702 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 4: How hard was that? Did she go to the hospital? 703 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 4: Did she have to have the abortion? 704 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 10: Because we had a heartbeat at the doctor's office ten 705 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 10: days before that. He kicks her in the stomach and 706 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 10: now we go a day later, two days later and 707 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 10: the kid's dead. Is that really why she had the abortion? 708 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 10: Because even in her own yeah, I interview, when she 709 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,879 Speaker 10: was on that show. She says, you know, I. 710 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 4: Don't know what I want to do. Yet she didn't 711 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 4: make that decision to get rid of that kid yet 712 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 4: that element. They don't want that to the jury. 713 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,359 Speaker 2: In the last hours, Mia Pseudonym on the stand. Her 714 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 2: passport has been shown to the jury, so they know 715 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 2: her identity. 716 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: The rest of the world does not. That's how serious 717 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: this is. 718 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 2: Makes you understand why Gina Howinn may not want to appear. 719 00:41:53,960 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 2: Describing a sex assault by Sean Combs, we stopped to 720 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 2: remember an American hero, Deputy Gospabel Caleb Rule Fort Bend 721 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,959 Speaker 2: Constable's office, passed away in the line of duty. Leaves 722 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 2: behind wife Eden and their four children. American hero Deputy 723 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 2: Gospbel Caleb Rule Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.