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Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody? John middlecop Free and Out Podcast

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Speaker 1: back at it again. We are it's I'm recording this

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Speaker 1: on tax to day April. God, this day sucks. Uh Thursday,

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Speaker 1: we are officially a week away from the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Does it get any better? Honestly, does it get any

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Speaker 1: better than the NFL Draft? Easily? Post Super Bowl? The

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Speaker 1: best thing? Because uh, free agencies overrated, the combines cool

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Speaker 1: and all. A lot of good rumors come out, and

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Speaker 1: we get a lot of cool rumors between free agency

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Speaker 1: leading up to the draft. But really, the draft is

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Speaker 1: what we were all waiting for and it's right around

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Speaker 1: the corner. I'm gonna hit on that today because Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah after Peter King wrote some stuff. Just maybe the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Ordinals aren't in all in on Kyler Murray. Could

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Speaker 1: the Raiders be interested? I'll touch on that a little later.

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Speaker 1: He he had one. He told me personally thought it

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Speaker 1: was a pent I've been hearing it was like he

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Speaker 1: tweeted today that he thought it's He'd go about six.

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Speaker 1: Could could a massive draft day trade be done with

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Speaker 1: the Raiders? That would be pretty sweet? Uh? The Masters

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Speaker 1: obviously yesterday I'm gonna tie that into Tom Brady coming

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Speaker 1: up here in a second. And then this Russ Wilson

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Speaker 1: thing that Colin kind of started weeks ago. Uh, there's

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Speaker 1: clearly there's smoke where they're smoke. They say there's fire.

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Speaker 1: It looks like the forest is on fire. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we'll dive into that, but let's start Tiger Woods one,

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Speaker 1: his fifteenth Major, his fifth Masters. I would imagine if

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Speaker 1: you listen to this, even if you're not a big

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Speaker 1: golf guy, I mean, you watch that. It was probably

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Speaker 1: one of the coolest. I mean for me personally, it's

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Speaker 1: the coolest sporting event I've ever seen. And there's top

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Speaker 1: probably three or four things up there. The San Frasco

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Speaker 1: Giants win their first World Series. I went to Game seven.

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Speaker 1: Problem was that, like four years ago, remember when the

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Speaker 1: Calves came back and lebron beat the Warriors and seventy

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Speaker 1: I've been to a Super Bowl, the Broncos when they

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Speaker 1: had a lot of money on the Broncos, but that

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Speaker 1: that that was as good as it got yesterday from

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Speaker 1: just sports. And I think what truly makes it special,

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Speaker 1: Like why I got into sports. I wrote for my

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Speaker 1: school newspaper in college. When I got started working in football, uh.

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Speaker 1: And then even when I got into the media and

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Speaker 1: I was already I've always tell people like, oh, you're

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Speaker 1: just a former NFL scot working in the media. I know,

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Speaker 1: I was actually a media guy that happened to work

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Speaker 1: Like I'm a media guy. That's what I am, Thats

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Speaker 1: who I am. That's how I'm wired. But I love

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Speaker 1: sports like I didn't get in it for race baiting, uh,

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Speaker 1: to interwove politics into sports. I got in to talk

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Speaker 1: salary cap stuff in the draft and all. I like

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Speaker 1: everything that goes along with the league, but not a

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Speaker 1: lot of the way that we talked about the league's

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Speaker 1: now and really that gets people evokes emotion. Now on television,

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Speaker 1: I hate all that crap. I just I just want

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Speaker 1: to talk about Tiger Woods. That's why I love Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 1: It was just about basketball and I I watched him

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Speaker 1: There are only three guys I can even put on

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Speaker 1: his level. And that's why we all like sports, is

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Speaker 1: why we all Some of these guys are like our

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Speaker 1: Now you mature as you get older or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: your sports. If you're listening to this, and I know

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Speaker 1: I get a lot of your guys d ms, will

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Speaker 1: do them coough mail bag a little bit later, slide

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Speaker 1: my Instagram handle. Answer your questions at the end of

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Speaker 1: the podcast again a lot. I'm a Titans fan, I'm

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Speaker 1: You've been that fan since you were really young, you know,

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Speaker 1: since you were six, seven, eight and you just started

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Speaker 1: my business? And what it was cool about watching Tiger

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Speaker 1: mean he's always gonna win, but you have to kill him.

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Speaker 1: It's not about the money. Now he is super rich

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Speaker 1: his number one goal, and there was something that went

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Speaker 1: And I think I'm not a Patriot. I didn't grow

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Speaker 1: whether you love him, whether you hate him, you respect him,

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Speaker 1: is because Tom all the fluff, all the bs that

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Speaker 1: And we've seen it. He's that he tweeted the other

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Speaker 1: I think there are parallels with Tom and Tiger and

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Speaker 1: he was doing. It's why anyone that watched Michael just

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Speaker 1: don't think we see that as often anymore, and it's

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Speaker 1: He doesn't need any money, he doesn't need any more fame,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't need any more Super Bowls. Like what else

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Speaker 1: quite pinpoint it or even verbalize that. I just don't know.

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Speaker 1: I really just don't, which makes it fun. Okay, Middlecoff

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Speaker 1: mail bag at John Middlecoff my Instagram handle. Easiest way

430
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Speaker 1: to get hold of me, slide up in those d

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Speaker 1: M I'll answer your questions. Jason Witten returned to the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, and I haven't heard anything on who will

433
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Speaker 1: be his replacement Monday Football. Do you know if any

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Speaker 1: leading candidates or former players that may take over? Also,

435
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 1: Fox did hire j Cutler before he came out of

436
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Speaker 1: retirement to play with the Dolphins. How do you think

437
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: he would be as an announcer? He seemed like he

438
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: was always so miserable while playing and not much of

439
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Speaker 1: a personality. Yeah, I don't think he'd be an option.

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Speaker 1: There have been reports that what's gonna happen is it's

441
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Speaker 1: just gonna be booger. It's just gonna be testa torn booger,

442
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: which is going to be terrible. The part part of

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Speaker 1: the problem Jason Witten's problem was is I listened to

444
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Speaker 1: him on of podcast with Roussillo, and he was loose.

445
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Speaker 1: He was cool, he was confident. You know, when he

446
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Speaker 1: was a player, he was confident. When he was in

447
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: the booth, he just got tight and some people when

448
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: the lights go on. As a media guy, you know,

449
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Speaker 1: I've never been in the situation on Monday Football. But

450
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Speaker 1: his personality, I don't think his true personality really ever

451
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Speaker 1: came out. That's why I kind of fumbled his words.

452
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: He never just felt confident. Now, in fairness to him,

453
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Speaker 1: he had never done it. Anytime you do something for

454
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Speaker 1: the first time, that's a pretty big, you know, stretch

455
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Speaker 1: to go from right from the from playing in two thousand,

456
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Speaker 1: nineteen or eighteen, with social media and how intense everything

457
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Speaker 1: has talked about, that was hard. It was basically impossible.

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Speaker 1: You know. Maybe Romo did it, and he's really an

459
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Speaker 1: outlier in this. To be that good that fast, it

460
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Speaker 1: was really unique. But Romo was also a quarterback, So

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Speaker 1: I Booker's gonna do it. Booker spent most of his

462
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Speaker 1: career in the SEC as an SEC analyst. I thought

463
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Speaker 1: last year he just didn't have a great feel for

464
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Speaker 1: the league. You know. I I don't need crazy systical

465
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: or excuse me, like X's nose breakdowns. I like to

466
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Speaker 1: know stuff about players where they're from. Now. Granted, we

467
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Speaker 1: know a lot about a lot of the main players,

468
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Speaker 1: but I like backstories on guys, backstories on coaches. It's

469
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Speaker 1: just stuff you have being around the NFL, and I

470
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Speaker 1: don't think he had a great grasp of the NFL

471
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Speaker 1: and then tested tour. It's Monday football. This isn't a

472
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Speaker 1: whack game on a Thursday night. This isn't some mid

473
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: level college football game on a Saturday. That Store is

474
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Speaker 1: clearly a talented announcer, but he's a little cheesy, not

475
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Speaker 1: like Jim Nance, kind of an undertone cheesy, like an

476
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: over the top cheesy of just screaming that's not needed.

477
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: It's like Joe, this is Monday night football. Just let

478
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Speaker 1: the game take a deep breath. It's okay. Listen to

479
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: the latest Aybreoman milk offf podcast. You guys talked about

480
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson situation. Mentioned that April fift is an arbitrary

481
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Speaker 1: date and it feels that way. Any juice to the

482
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Speaker 1: idea that it could be Russell and this team tipping

483
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Speaker 1: off the Giants on how to handle things just ahead

484
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Speaker 1: of the draft. Now that it's a fact that Russell

485
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Speaker 1: will not be signing a long term deal in Seattle,

486
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a fact next year, but

487
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Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, the Giants don't know if they're gonna

488
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Speaker 1: invest in Haskins or whichever quarterback they might want to

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Speaker 1: play for or ramp up trade negotiations with Seattle. With

490
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Speaker 1: the two thousand nineteen picks and play, the Giants have

491
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Speaker 1: shown with Eli that they're comfortable with paying the star

492
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Speaker 1: quarterback big money and they will try to build around

493
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Speaker 1: him with whatever's left. Granted, there's potential for Seattle the

494
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Speaker 1: franchise and for the next few years, which I talked

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Speaker 1: about earlier in the pod, But with the state of

496
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Speaker 1: the league these days, it's easier than ever for players

497
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Speaker 1: to pull the Kyrie move that you mentioned. Here's the thing,

498
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Speaker 1: and I talked about it earlier on the podcast. You

499
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Speaker 1: can pull the Kyrie move or the most extreme is

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, but you kind of gotta be public about it.

501
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Speaker 1: And that is just kind of what I'm betting against

502
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson doing. I don't think that he'll go scorch

503
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Speaker 1: Earth campaign. And when I say scorched earth campaign for

504
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Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson would be just level. I want to

505
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Speaker 1: be traded, just that simple. I want to be traded.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he has the stones to ruin his

507
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Speaker 1: public image, because even if the agent did it, he'd

508
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Speaker 1: take all the ship for it. You know, it'd be

509
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Speaker 1: clear that the agents not doing that without his blessing.

510
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Speaker 1: So I I just I can't see it. I I

511
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Speaker 1: really cannot see it. As I said earlier, there's a

512
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Speaker 1: management league. Seattle has all the leverage in this. Russell

513
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Speaker 1: can Russell has the leverage in the sense that he's

514
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Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of money, but he doesn't control

515
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Speaker 1: these negotiations of dates and times. They got this thing

516
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Speaker 1: called the franchise tag. This is not the NBA. You're

517
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Speaker 1: not Kevin Durant. You're not about to be a free agent,

518
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Speaker 1: because if he was, he would get stupid money. If

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was gonna be a free agent, I'd be like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I was the Giants, I would not draft a

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Speaker 1: quarterback and I would operate like an NBA team like

522
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Speaker 1: the Knicks and try to get Kevin Durant. I would

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Speaker 1: do the same with Russell Wilson. I would have about

524
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Speaker 1: hundred twenty million dollars and I'd be prepared to pay

525
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson enormous cash, give him five year deal, hell,

526
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Speaker 1: five year deal, hundred fifty million, so thirty a year

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Speaker 1: fully guaranteed or something. You know, I he would be

528
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Speaker 1: a giant. That's not the way the league works, So

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Speaker 1: I think he's just stuck. Okay, another question here, Now

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Speaker 1: that Chris Hogan a signed with the Panthers and Gronk

531
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Speaker 1: has retired, is it safe to say that the Patriots

532
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Speaker 1: will use more about half of their twelve picks in

533
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Speaker 1: the top one O one on offense, wide receiver, tight end. Well,

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Speaker 1: they have the one first round pick and then they

535
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Speaker 1: got two second round picks. I'd be shocked if two

536
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Speaker 1: of those three picks aren't offensive skill guys. Now, they

537
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Speaker 1: took a running back last year in the first round,

538
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Speaker 1: so they're not gonna need that. When you look at

539
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Speaker 1: wide receiver, they could easily take a wide receiver late

540
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Speaker 1: in the first round. They could easily take a wide

541
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Speaker 1: receiver with one of their two second round picks. Now,

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Speaker 1: the two second round picks aren't great. They have their

543
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Speaker 1: own second round pick and they have the bare second

544
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Speaker 1: round pick, so they're late second round picks. Now, could

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Speaker 1: they package those two second round picks move up in

546
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Speaker 1: the second round and get a wide receiver. To me,

547
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: that seems likely but they're gonna need some offensive skill guys.

548
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Speaker 1: Could they do one of these like package pick thirty

549
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 1: two and package one of their second to move up

550
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Speaker 1: in the first and get a in you know, to

551
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Speaker 1: move to like twenty. What are they waiting on here?

552
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: The hoodie ain't getting any younger, So yeah, I think

553
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: they have to go offensive skill. John, I've always respected

554
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: your ability to look at and call out opinions you've

555
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: had where in hindsight you struck out good characteristic appreciate

556
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: that not always right, but as I've learned from Colin,

557
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: you can't be afraid to be wrong. Uh. In line

558
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Speaker 1: with that, how much of your process and how much

559
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Speaker 1: of a scouts process as driven by looking back at

560
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Speaker 1: your misses and I identifying why you miss on a

561
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: particular player in evaluation? It seems to me that ego

562
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: gets in the way of developing crucial information. What was

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00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: it about a player that I missed on and how

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Speaker 1: can I avoid making the mistake moving forward? Most of

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Speaker 1: what I typically hear about in draft process is looking

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Speaker 1: is forward looking analysis looking at this prospect and how

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Speaker 1: he will develop? Is this a fair assessment or the

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Speaker 1: majority of scouts also going back and analyzing acknowledging a

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Speaker 1: bots job to aid in the process of moving forward.

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00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good question. Uh. In my experience, I

571
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Speaker 1: wasn't around it long enough in college scouting to know.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine if you've been doing it for ten, fifteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty years, maybe every three or four years, you look

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Speaker 1: at players. To me, there'd be two different type players.

575
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: It'd be the guys you missed on because you thought

576
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: weren't very good. Now if you missed on a player

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Speaker 1: going you know, there's so many variables here. I do

578
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Speaker 1: want this player on our team because he's not a

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Speaker 1: scheme fit. That's not saying he's not good enough. I

580
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Speaker 1: don't want this player on the team because I don't

581
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: think he's good enough. You go well, and then that

582
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Speaker 1: guy becomes a good player. That would be a guy

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Speaker 1: you'd have to look back on. The ones that are

584
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Speaker 1: difficult are the character ones. You know, I don't like

585
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Speaker 1: this guy's personality. I don't like this guy's you know,

586
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Speaker 1: he's got too much baggage. Whether what if you're one

587
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Speaker 1: of these guys, you're a scout or you're a GM,

588
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Speaker 1: and you have a zero tolerance policy when it comes

589
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Speaker 1: to like domestic violence. You're like, I'm not messing with

590
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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hills of the world. I'm not messing with Joe

591
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Speaker 1: Mixons of the world. Well, sometimes those guys are gonna

592
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Speaker 1: be really good players, so I think you'd have to

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Speaker 1: separate it in bunches. I think sometimes I noticed when

594
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Speaker 1: I was in Philly some of our mistakes in free

595
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Speaker 1: agency came with just some name recognition guys rather than

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Speaker 1: probably truly evaluating, you know, maybe the bigger picture because

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Speaker 1: they were older players. But I think they've really done

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Speaker 1: a good job since I've left, uh and really since

599
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Speaker 1: they booted Chip out of the room of you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of getting over that. And I think the one

601
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Speaker 1: thing that you know, just in my experience that Howie

602
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: and Andy they're not afraid to make big splashes, like

603
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna be aggressive. And I think it's just like

604
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: a business philosophy. When you're gonna be aggressive in anything,

605
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: sometimes you're gonna miss. Like they really wanted a second

606
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver last year, they overpaid Sammy Watkins. Well, they

607
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: had the best offense in the league. You know, it

608
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: was worth the overpay in the sense that Tyreek Hill

609
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: is still cheap. My homes is gonna be cheap. Kelsey's

610
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Speaker 1: under contract. It kind of it wasn't that big of

611
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Speaker 1: a deal, you know how he swung for the fences.

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00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: He's done it before with you know, obviously with Carson Wentz,

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Speaker 1: and they've they've done it with other players. I think

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Speaker 1: that every individual players its own entity. And I know

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Speaker 1: question was about going back and self evaluating. I think

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Speaker 1: the other element that's hard from a scouting perspective is

617
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Speaker 1: there's so much coaching turnover. You know, it's one of

618
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Speaker 1: those like if I hire you to be a salesman

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Speaker 1: and let's say, you know, I have a a construction

620
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Speaker 1: business and I need you to sell like pipes or something,

621
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Speaker 1: that's probably a bad example. I need you to sell.

622
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Speaker 1: I have a friend who's married. His wife crushes it.

623
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Speaker 1: She she sells like data storage. And you either can

624
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: kind of sell or you can't. You know, the product

625
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: is the product. Everyone needs this product. But you have

626
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Speaker 1: multiple options. At the end of the year, you either sold,

627
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Speaker 1: you know, fifty million dollars with a product, twenty million

628
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: dollars with the product. I got a bottom line number.

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Speaker 1: We're in football. If you're a younger player and you

630
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Speaker 1: play sparingly but you're doing well in practice, but the

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Speaker 1: coach doesn't like you, and the guy playing above you

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Speaker 1: is an all pro. You know, you're kind of immature,

633
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: but your coach doesn't really Yeah, but you're front office

634
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: really liked you. You know, how do you in it?

635
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: A couple of years and then you fired the position coach,

636
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: You get another position coach in there, and then the

637
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: guy becomes a good player. But you know, I I

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Speaker 1: just I think it's difficult. I really don't have a

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Speaker 1: right or wrong answer for you on this one. I

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Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, it's just really

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Speaker 1: really complicated. And it's why, you know, in my experience,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to do because the coaches have so much

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Speaker 1: control now. Sometimes the guy just wasn't talented enough. Like

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Speaker 1: Danny Watkins when I was in Philly and we drafted him,

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Speaker 1: the Canadian dude. He was really good on college tape.

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Speaker 1: But do you know what was his undoing is much

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Speaker 1: more than his ability. He was like a ten year

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Speaker 1: old human being. It was like he just couldn't. It

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Speaker 1: was like, this is the NFL. It was like fifteen

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Speaker 1: years old mentally that that was the reason he had

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Speaker 1: no chance none. It wasn't physical limitations. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he was ever gonna be a great player, but

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Speaker 1: should have been a starter, but mentally he just he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't It wasn't mature enough and was never going

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Speaker 1: to be. My questions, what are the chances of the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks and Giants and Cardinals do a three way trade?

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Speaker 1: I like where this is going Russell Wilson, Josh Rosen

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Speaker 1: and the Giants first round pick. I think it's really unlikely.

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Speaker 1: What one trade we talked about on my other podcast,

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Speaker 1: Haybroom Middlecoff podcast, was what about a three way trade

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Speaker 1: like this? The Raiders trade two first rounders and Derek

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Speaker 1: Carr from four to one, and they give the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: four and Derek. The Cardinals get Kyler and then the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals trade Rose and let's say to the Giants. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's more realistic than Russell Wilson, because to me, there's

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Speaker 1: no way doing Russell. Let me see if I can

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Speaker 1: figure out this trade. Where does where do you got

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson going here? To the Cardinals the Russell, they

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Speaker 1: would they it wouldn't trade. They would rather jump in

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Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean and put red meat all over them

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Speaker 1: with blood everywhere, hoping a great white shark would attack

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Speaker 1: them before they would trade. If I'm reading this question

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Speaker 1: to the Cardinals in the division, that that would one

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Speaker 1: million percent never happened again, might be might be screwing

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Speaker 1: up the trade. Seahawks, Giants and Cardinals do a three

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Speaker 1: way trade for Russell Wilson, Josh Rosen, and the Giants

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Speaker 1: first round pick. So I'm assuming that Russell goes to

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, Josh Rosen goes to the Giants. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm even confused. Now this is complicated. Hey mate, I'm

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Speaker 1: a listener from Australia. Is this the d MS for

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Speaker 1: your mailbag? That's the question, Yes, it is that. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Those are my mailbag questions. These are my these are

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Speaker 1: my listeners. Appreciate everyone listening. You know, we're we're it's

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Speaker 1: calm before the storm right now. I'm getting ready, you're

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Speaker 1: getting ready. Let's do this the draft right around the corner.

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