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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this episode of Phishology. We have a

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Speaker 1: very special episode for you guys. We also have our

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Speaker 1: very first guest ever on Phishology. I want to welcome

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Speaker 1: on Jeff Ponds from Baseball America. Jeff, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for coming on to Physiology.

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Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, man, I'm excited to be on and

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Speaker 2: also honor that I'm your first guest.

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Speaker 1: Give a warm welcome to Lewis and Adam. How are

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Speaker 1: you guys feeling for this podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited definitely to further enlighten our audience with Jeff

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Speaker 3: here about obviously, like different ways of evaluating prospects and

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Speaker 3: kind of what makes a prospect of prospect And Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely excited to have Jeff on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm definitely excited to kind of look into

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Speaker 4: some of these actually prospects we've got here some of

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Speaker 4: the top guys the Marlins are looking forward to having

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Speaker 4: as part of their cornerstones going into the future of

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Speaker 4: the latter half of the decades. So love to see

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Speaker 4: what guys like Uri Eater and some of these guys

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Speaker 4: about them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just start with the number one over our prospect,

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Speaker 1: the cream of the crap for the Marlins, mister Eerie Perez,

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Speaker 1: who was only nineteen years old and looks like a

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Speaker 1: future ace for the Marlins. This past season in Double A,

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Speaker 1: he posted a four to era and seventeen games started

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Speaker 1: in seventy five innings. Jeff, I want to get your

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Speaker 1: whole prospective on Yuri and maybe what the Marlins have

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Speaker 1: there with the nineteen year old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you have to keep in mind,

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Speaker 2: like how young year he was for the level. He

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Speaker 2: was eighteen years old. Heatur in nineteen, like what it

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Speaker 2: fifteenth of April, so the second week or whatever the season.

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Speaker 2: You know, he effectively would have been, you know, a

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Speaker 2: high school draft pick had he been American. I think

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Speaker 2: when you put that into perspective, the fact that he

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Speaker 2: top college picks were getting blown up out of the draft,

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Speaker 2: A to even get to that level. If you look

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Speaker 2: at a guy like Gordon Griseppo, I mean we shoved

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Speaker 2: him onto the top one hundred list. Cardinals fans were

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Speaker 2: excited about him. He's you know, like three years older

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Speaker 4: One two on the way to Anthony Mulryan and.

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Speaker 5: The Picks, swinging a miss strike three ninety eight to

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Speaker 2: I think when you think about that and just the

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Speaker 2: type of situations that the Marlins were trying to put

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Speaker 2: Urie into, they were consistently challenging him, and that even

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Speaker 2: goes back to spring training. I was at a backfield game,

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Speaker 2: a double A game, actually, like this is the video

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Speaker 2: He struck out Jeff McNeil actually in this in this game,

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Speaker 2: there were like a handful of major leaguers and this

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Speaker 2: He's tunneling the slider right off of that, you know,

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Speaker 2: which which doesn't have like huge suite, but it's it's

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Speaker 2: pretty good as well. I mean overall, I mean when

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Speaker 2: And then you start to dig under the hood, you

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's twenty five hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: and you're able to do all that, it's really unique.

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Speaker 2: There's probably even more power that could come out of

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Speaker 2: you know, And then you just look at the secondaries and

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Speaker 2: like a horizontal curveball. I think it's really more like

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Speaker 2: change I mean, he throws all these pitches for strikes,

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Speaker 2: he lands him in zone. You know, he gets ground

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Speaker 2: against all his secondaries is change up actually has like

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Speaker 2: a variety of ways to get guys out. He can

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Speaker 2: get guys to swing and miss, you know, he can.

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Speaker 2: He can land all his pitches for strikes. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: Hall stuff where yeah, it's phenomenal, but like getting that

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Speaker 2: I think that's part of it, right, is like you

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Speaker 2: Swing to good you know, it turns into outcomes, and

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Speaker 2: more often than not, if you don't have incredibly hittable stuff,

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Speaker 2: a guy like Uri and it's like the sky's the limit,

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Speaker 2: but he checks all the different boxes. I think the

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Speaker 2: We saw some some health stuff at the end of

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Speaker 2: bigger than when guys saw six still in that twenty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, with them, Uri Perez like he was my top

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Speaker 4: prospect on the Marlins. Personally, I have him Jeff as

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Speaker 4: my second overall pitching prospect behind Andrew Painter, just simply

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Speaker 4: because I love the stuff. With Painter, his tricoup percentage

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Speaker 4: bit lower. He consistently throws on a hundred miles an

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Speaker 4: hour more often, I believe than Uri can. If I'm

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Speaker 4: Eric Klowgenhagen has Eurie as a sixty five. I'll have

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Speaker 4: Andrews my sixty five. But Uri Perez, there's you can't

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Speaker 4: go wrong with him. Absolutely, He's just absolutely stellar. He's

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Speaker 4: got that a lead four pitch mixed, standing at that

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Speaker 4: like I mentioned with that advanced four pitch mix Jeff

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Speaker 4: mentioned as gyros slider, he gets a lot of swings

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Speaker 4: I believe it's more of it has a lot of

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Speaker 4: everything here about the makeup of really being an ace

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Speaker 4: Perez and he's the future ace of this ball club

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Speaker 4: if all goes well, and obviously if he doesn't get

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Speaker 4: he's already showing like the polish of a back end

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lewis, let me ask you really quick, Uri. You know,

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Speaker 1: you talk a lot with our prospect coverage with with Alex,

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Speaker 1: Just what do you see from Rie and maybe especially

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Speaker 3: I mean Jeff mentioned the tunneling with the slider and

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Speaker 3: you know, the ability to command the changeup like obviously

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Speaker 3: has front of the rotation potential. Commanding three pitches is important,

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Speaker 3: and we've seen the scout in grades obviously, I think

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Speaker 3: he has three pitches that are fifty five and above.

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Speaker 3: The fastball and the slider are sixty five. I'm not

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Speaker 3: mistaken this. The question I wanted to ask though, was

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Speaker 3: the end of the year due to injury. Do you

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Speaker 3: think the Marlins pitching death at the big league level

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Speaker 3: had the way it's manifested itself with the likes of

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Speaker 3: well for them. Do you think that's a net positive

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Speaker 3: for Yurie and that they can continue to take their

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Speaker 3: time with him given his youth He's not going to

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Speaker 3: we even see a spot where maybe the end of

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Speaker 3: to kind of get his feet wet at the major

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Speaker 3: could likely put him in the big leagues tomorrow. As

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Speaker 3: we saw from the film, the Backfield film against the Mets.

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Speaker 1: Question as you finish up with Erie Adam lewis anything

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Speaker 4: For me, I'm just I'm ready to go on to

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Speaker 3: Now, I think we've waxed poetic on Urie enough to

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Speaker 2: He doesn't do anything incredibly well, but he does everything

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Speaker 4: outside shot as saying a third, I'll take your word

432
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Speaker 4: for it if you're gonna tell me that he has

433
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 4: absolutely no chance, because you know, that's pretty much what

434
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 4: the consensus in the industry is that he'll eventually slide

435
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 4: across the diamond, if not off the field altogether. At

436
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 4: the DHL, they're still trying to develop him at third.

437
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 4: Obviously it's not really working. It's it's really those latter

438
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 4: three tools that really limit his profile and his potential value.

439
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 4: And I personally don't buy the power and the hit

440
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 4: tool enough to be like picked as high as he did.

441
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 4: I personally really liked a guy like Cam Collier at

442
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 4: number six. I think it was one of the Crawford brothers.

443
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 4: Uh not Crawford brothers, someone out there just draft pick

444
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 4: somebody else. He was a very very talented guy. It

445
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 4: was a Phillies pick if remember this year.

446
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, that's that's that's Carl Crawford.

447
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, it was his little justin, Justin Crawford. Yeah,

448
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 4: so those are all players. I like, not take a

449
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 4: two off topic, but yeah, it's with with Barry, there's

450
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 4: you like, I like what I see at the plate,

451
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 4: but other than that, it's like there's not a whole

452
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 4: lot to leverage it. So he's running. He's really running

453
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 4: on thin ice as an as a as a prospect

454
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 4: if he's losing his ability to hit which or is

455
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 4: to hit for power as well?

456
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, lewis same thig. But how do you see Jacob

457
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: Barry maybe transitioning to the majors. When that does happen,

458
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: who knows how long it's going to be two three

459
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: years from now?

460
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 3: I think, I mean personally, I think they just drafted

461
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 3: Nick Cassiano's transposed to college. Like when you talk about

462
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 3: the lack of a defensive profile, like we I believe, right,

463
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 3: after he signed, we were on site to cover a game.

464
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: It was a Sunday game, and he was taking ground

465
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 3: balls at third base. And again, like you can gauge

466
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 3: that how you will, and I know a lot of

467
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 3: prospects will what they'll use, they'll use game data, and

468
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 3: then they'll just kind of see how they go about

469
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: things in practice to kind of make their decisions about,

470
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 3: you know, one's ability to respect a position. And you

471
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: can kind of see it, like the physicality of him

472
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: reminds me of Cassianos and that saense that like he

473
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: almost looks like he's too big to be playing third base,

474
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: and the arm itself, like it looked like he was

475
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 3: just struggling to make throws across the diamond. I don't

476
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 3: even want to imagine what like savant data says about

477
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 3: like his arm strength in the minor leagues this far, though,

478
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: I'm sure Jeff, you may have something on that that

479
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 3: we don't. Yeah, I think maybe that like the Marlins,

480
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: and they kind of did this with Blaedet, and this

481
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 3: was maybe the kind of opinion that I was under

482
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: the guys that I was under when they drafted him,

483
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 3: and that drafting a college bat, while yes, It's true

484
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: that if you do go to college, you're you know,

485
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: you're likely to face better competition and it's better for

486
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: overall player development, whether you're a pitcher or a position player.

487
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 3: I think maybe, like the Marlins brass and scouting department,

488
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 3: and I could be one hundred percent wrong, maybe went

489
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Speaker 3: with a pick like Barry in the first round in

490
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 3: that knowing he's college bet knowing he did it at

491
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: two different schools at Arizona and LSU. The fact that

492
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 3: he produced offensively was enough for them to maybe say, like, Okay,

493
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 3: like this is a guy that could go through the

494
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: system quickly and relative to where our pitching kind of is,

495
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 3: we think that he could maybe establish himself, like you said,

496
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: as maybe an auxiliary or a complimentary big league player

497
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: in the midst of what hopes to be a competitive

498
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: team because of what they have in the rotation and

499
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: what they're maybe hoping to get with some of the

500
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: other guys you know, in the infield leaders and the miners.

501
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think you're kind of just like where

502
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: they are with their position player development. It's so like

503
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 3: low on the totem for like guys to be excited about.

504
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: Do you kind of just hold it out the.

505
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: Exactly what don Mattingly take in the throws at first?

506
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: Do you kind of just wait for the bat to

507
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 3: manifest and hope that, like maybe the defense resolves itself

508
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 3: at some position, whether that's corner, outfield or third base,

509
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: because I mean, I'm looking at like a negative teen

510
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: DRS third baseman if you put him in a big

511
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: leagues like tomorrow, Like it's just the profile there doesn't

512
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: look great, and you know, we'll have more data to

513
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: go off of defensively as this season, as twenty twenty

514
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: three kind of comes around and the team, the organization

515
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: maybe gets a better idea what to do with him.

516
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think you're just maybe holding out for

517
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: the bat and you know, thinking that he'll develop quickly

518
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: because we saw, like you put it out Jeff and Adam,

519
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: he's got play discipline, and like that's something that like

520
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: you can't necessarily just teach. There's guys in the big

521
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: leagues who have been productive, big leaders for reasons beyond

522
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: you know, their ability to take walks. But a skill

523
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 3: set like that I think is important. And I think that,

524
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: like I said, would make him a nice complimentary piece.

525
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 3: But I don't think that his he's a player of

526
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: a caliber that you would merit taking. You know, where

527
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: they did six million dollars for somebody who profiles to

528
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: be an average big leaguer. I don't know, like as

529
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: a draft pick in the first round. Like that's just

530
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: something I can't rest comfortably with knowing that they did that.

531
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

532
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Jeff, when you look back at that draft class,

533
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: especially for the Marlins, I don't want to, you know,

534
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: armchair quarterback, but hindsight's always twenty twenty. But when you

535
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: look at it, is there a way you would have

536
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: gotten because you know, looking at the names now and

537
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: the way they're producing these guys like brooks Lee, Kevin Parratta,

538
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: you have Zach Netto who's from Miami, who could have

539
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: been someone there, short style of position they need. Just

540
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: how would you have looked from that if we have

541
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: it on screen now looking at it?

542
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think like the first name that

543
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: came to mind for me, and like I do our

544
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: Cape coverage, I covered this class on the Cape in

545
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, so I saw all these college players.

546
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: I saw a good chunk of the high school players

547
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: as well. I saw Kumar Rocker and you know Indie ball.

548
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: So I've seen this class and you know, for me,

549
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: if I'm going to go with a Polish college hitter,

550
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: it would have been Brooks Lee over Jacob Berry. A

551
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: lot of it. You know, if there's questions about Lee's health,

552
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: you know, I think there's questions about Berry's athleticism defense

553
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: for me, like Lee can play shortstop. Yeah, he's not

554
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 2: the most rangy guy. He easily could have moved over

555
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: to third base. He had the arm for third base.

556
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: He's got the actions. He doesn't need to, you know,

557
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: have a shortstops range over there. He moves well to

558
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: his left, he was well to his right. He's a

559
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: switch hitter with more power I think than Jacob Berry.

560
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: Equal contact skills, equal approach. You know, the hitter that

561
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 2: I saw in the Cape Cotley hit four hundred over

562
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: two stints. Hit with Team USA in between. You know,

563
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: played for his dad in college and you know, was

564
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: the star of that team more or less from the

565
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: moment he walked in. And he's just you know, sort

566
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: of the type of mentality that I I you know,

567
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: for me, I'd put my money behind that, and you

568
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: know he got less money than than Jacob Berry, so

569
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: you probably could have signed him for less, move some

570
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: of that money down. That being said, if I would

571
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: have gone with like my actual pick, I would have

572
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: actually actually gone with Zach Neo kid from Miami, really fiery,

573
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: somebody that I think would sort of take the responsibility of, like,

574
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: you know, being the face of the franchise kind of

575
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: a player. He's a really good defender. He's a good

576
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: hitter with more projection at the plate. You know, even

577
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: Pitch was a closer for Campbell. He's got a good arm.

578
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: You know, he can defend me. He's such a good defender.

579
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: He moved Trey Faltini, who was a well, uh highly

580
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: touted defender shortstop from Texas over to second base when

581
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: he was a Brewster. And it's a quick story about

582
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: Neto too. Nedo was like tearing up the Cape Coney.

583
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: It was Netto and it was chased a lotter. Those

584
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: are the two like top players in twenty twenty one

585
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: that summer, and Neto ends up, you know, hits a

586
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: homer and then later that game ends up like breaking

587
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: his ankle pretty much, so he goes home, he goes

588
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: back to Miami and uh, rehabed. Brewster makes it into

589
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 2: the playoffs netto came back up like probably at like

590
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: seventy percent and was like, I want to be in

591
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: the middle of the order for the championship. I want

592
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: to be playing shortstop. And they won. They won the title. Man,

593
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: he had some big hits, he had some big moments,

594
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: big plays in the field. He's just such a gamer.

595
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: He's got a really good family. That's a guy that like,

596
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: for me, local kid, beyond all that, Like that's just

597
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: from a mentality standpoint. He's got the tools, and I

598
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: think he's a better hitter and a college guy than

599
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: like Jacob Berrys, Like sure, yeah, he's an SEC guy

600
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: for me. You look at a kid like that comes

601
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: out come out of these smaller colleges. There's more projection

602
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: there once they get into major the environments, they get

603
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: into pro environments, they have pro instruction, pro facilities, they

604
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: have bonus So they're bonus guys. They're going to be

605
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: treated well no matter where they are. The better conditions

606
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues now too, those guys are going

607
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: to take off. Like I still feel like there's there's

608
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: more to get out of players like that versus guys

609
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: who have been completely optimized. I mean, Jacob Berry was

610
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: at you know, Arizona, followed Johnson over to LSU, and

611
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's always been highly touted guy

612
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: playing on big teams. Some of these guys that had

613
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: to crawl the you know, claw their way up. They're

614
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: not necessarily like travel ball babies either, you know. So

615
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: there's been some adversity there. And one of the biggest

616
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: things in the major leagues it's different from the NBA,

617
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: it's different from the NFL and different from the NHL,

618
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: is you don't get drafted and walk right into the

619
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: locker room. You don't get drafted and walk right into

620
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: the lineup. They're not going to play you in meaningless

621
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: you know, downs, because they have to justify the fact

622
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: that they spent four million dollars on you in the

623
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: first round. Like you may not make it. They can

624
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: sign you for forre million dollars, man, and you may

625
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: not ever see a major league field. And it happens

626
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: all the time. High I mean, we've seen number one

627
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: picks that have flamed out. You know, we don't have

628
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: to go any further than you know, last year with

629
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: with the with the Marlins and Khalia Watson, who I

630
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: loved and I thought he was one of the best

631
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: players I saw in spring training, and things just go poorly,

632
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: and it's not even necessarily always in the field. So

633
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing about baseball that people don't

634
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: necessarily get, is like, I don't know, give me, give

635
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: me some guys that actually have had to battle, they

636
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: go through some adversity. I don't look at the small

637
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: school thing as like a knock or a negative. To

638
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: even be in that conversation, those guys really had to

639
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: be pretty damn good. Like Cole Cows is a pretty

640
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: good professional prospect now and people were like, I don't know,

641
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: we went to Sam Houston State and it's like, why

642
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: is he even in the conversation.

643
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 4: You know, I'm totally with you on that, jeffn Like

644
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 4: when you talk about like one example I'll give it's

645
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: like Zach mccambley from Coastal Carolina to Marlin's guy has

646
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 4: that ridiculous three thousand rpm plus I forget exactly what

647
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 4: it is kurve ball, but it's Coastal Carolina, you know.

648
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 4: So it's like it's really if you've got the talent

649
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 4: it's any sport, really, they will find you. If you've

650
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 4: got it, they will find you. No matter where you're at.

651
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: It's D one, D two, Juco, D three, you're there,

652
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 4: they'll do it. That's really what it comes down to,

653
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 4: if you've got the tools. And for me, it's just

654
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 4: like you want to pick guys that are just gonna

655
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: be playing up the middle, because if you know, eventually

656
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 4: they're going to sort themselves out on defensive spectrum, they'll

657
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 4: fall down and they'll filter themselves out. But like like

658
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: I gul like you mentioned, which just like you've already

659
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 4: maximized Jacob Barry and what he's really his tools hays

660
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: what he's really coming into the table with. There's not

661
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: much that he can really bring. Whereas a guy if

662
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 4: you pick like where you mentioned zach Nito and up

663
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: the middle, guy who's projectable, or I mentioned a guy

664
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: like Kim Collier who is a corner infielder. But I

665
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: just love the fact that he was a seventeen year

666
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 4: old and really the only like playing in Juco and

667
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 4: raking and like the only hitting comp that you could

668
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: bring about with him was Bryce Harper, because there is

669
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: no other seventeen year old who was doing that at

670
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: the Juco level, who dropped out at the age of sixteen.

671
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: God is ged, you know, had the cojones to go

672
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: to do that and go playing Juco and just absolutely

673
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 4: shred it up as a seventeen year old what everybody

674
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 4: else is a junior in high school. Is something that

675
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: I love like doing like those like if it's not

676
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: something tools up the middle, because you should always be

677
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 4: picking best available if like in theory, like obviously there's

678
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: something nuance to it, but if you've got that kind

679
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 4: of strategy where if you're going up the middle, you

680
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 4: really can't go wrong because it's you're always picking the

681
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 4: toolsiest guys, the guys who have the most I would

682
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: say margin of error at least offensively, because they have

683
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: the most room to fall down that spectrum. And it's

684
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: something that you see teams don't always employ. So it's

685
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: unfortunate to see. And I feel like the Marlins are

686
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: one of those franchises that seems like it's been that way.

687
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, now let's go into the next player. We do

688
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: have some time for a couple more, so we'll do

689
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 1: this when they will get into some of the two

690
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: Tommy John pictures next manager Eater, But we're gonna go

691
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: Khalil Watson. If you just mentioned him. When the Marlins

692
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: picked him, it was just almost a shock in terms

693
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: of value.

694
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 5: Uh.

695
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: Some people had Khalil Watson top five, Some even had

696
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: him as their number one overall prospect in that draft.

697
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: He is coming definitely from an up and down season.

698
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: Was benched multiple times this year, and I believe single

699
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: a ball, rookie ball that he just really almost big

700
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: distractions going on between them. He did finish off the

701
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: season on a hot streak, but overall we are stealing

702
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: peaks and valleys with Khalil Watson and Jeff How would

703
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: you see Khalil's tenure with Miami going. How do you

704
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: describe that and maybe his potential with the Fish.

705
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, tumultuous, I think is probably the best

706
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 2: word to describe it.

707
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: Uh.

708
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: You know, it's been unfortunate. You know, I was as

709
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: much of a Khalil fan and as anybody you know,

710
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: I felt like for a large sort of portion of

711
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: time leading up to that draft, we had kind of

712
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: heard some speculation and rumors and it really started to

713
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: heat up over the last week or two before the draft.

714
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: That there were a lot of teams in the top

715
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 2: half of the draft where Watson was just clearly off

716
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: of their board. He wasn't a player that they were

717
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: interested in drafting. And you know, I think that when

718
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: you consider that and some of you know, the instances

719
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 2: you saw on field with you know, the whole gun thing,

720
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: I think just at times, just his his effort level.

721
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: It's funny because like I didn't necessarily see that in

722
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: spring training, Like, you know, he's flashy, but he was

723
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: pretty fun He seemed like he was enjoying his time

724
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: with his teammates, and you know, it was into the

725
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: games in the backfield, which isn't always the easiest thing.

726
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: I mean, some of those games are absolutely grueling, and

727
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: it just seemed like, you know, things started a snowball

728
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 2: form because you remember he started off the season on fire.

729
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: It didn't make any sense. He was striking out left

730
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: and right. But when he wasn't striking out, I mean,

731
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: he was hitting just like nukes. So it would be

732
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: like these you know, two for five games where he'd

733
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: have a homer in a double and then he'd strike

734
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: out three times and like nine pitches. And the reports

735
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: that I was getting were bad. Like the early reports

736
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: I was getting from scouts, even though the numbers were good,

737
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: were like, no, this is going to correct itself. And

738
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: it did. And I think when things strucked itself and

739
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: really started a snowball and he had a lot of

740
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: people in his ear, and you know, for a guy

741
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: like this, he'd never really struggled. This guy was on

742
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: the for remember reason, like a Caine's B team for travels.

743
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't even on the A team sort of popped

744
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: up in one tournament and then all of a sudden

745
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: was like I think a team Elite or whatever was

746
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: like on the elite travel teams for like a year.

747
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 2: You have to think about twenty twenty. All that stuff

748
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 2: factors in. This guy has never been bad. So it's

749
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: like it was like a roller coat, like it was

750
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: just you know, he was just heading uphill Man and

751
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, everything is crashed. I'm sure for

752
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: a kid like this, like that's not easy, especially for

753
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,479
Speaker 2: a guy who's extremely confident and you know, probably has

754
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 2: not had to deal with like much adversity in his life,

755
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: at least from a from a baseball perspective. I don't know,

756
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: I don't know. About his home life whatsoever. But you know,

757
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: it's tough, Like I for me, like he's one of

758
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: the most fun players I've ever watched on a baseball

759
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 2: like as a prospect teenager. Like this dude hit a ball.

760
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: It was a ninety six mile per hour fastball from

761
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: Edwin Nuniez in the backfields in Jupiter on the Cardinals side,

762
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: and he hit a ball to the to the wall

763
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: like and it was you know whatever, probably like four

764
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: or five. He hit it off the top of the wall,

765
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: came around second base, saw the guy kind of bobbled

766
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: it on a transfer and just like you know, jogged

767
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: into third, made a bunch of plays in the field

768
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: in a nice single the other way in the same game.

769
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: He was just electric and like before that he was

770
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: hitting nukes in the backfield, and like there were a

771
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: lot of scouts like this is the best guy Brady

772
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: House I had seen the day before and there like, yeah,

773
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: Watson's way better. I don't know if you get a

774
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: lot of scouts would say that necessarily now, even after

775
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: you know, houses hard season. I mean, he had a

776
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: few things he had to deal with in terms of

777
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: physical stuff, But yeah, man, I don't know, you know,

778
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: I I I root for this guy. I hope that

779
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: he's good. I hope that he figures everything out because

780
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: he's an exciting player and he's you know, kind of

781
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: has that like when he's when he's on, like he's

782
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. He's just he's got swagger going,

783
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: and baseball kind of needs those spicy guys, you know.

784
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: Like it was almost like a Coonia kind of stuff.

785
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: It was fun like that, and obviously it got very

786
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: unfun very quick. And as somebody who had kind of

787
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 2: you know, been you know, Team Watson, Uh, it wasn't

788
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't a great a great look. It wasn't a

789
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: great period.

790
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 5: You know.

791
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: I kind of felt like a little like damn, Like,

792
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't see that coming. But we'll see.

793
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: You know, maybe maybe this is a learning experience that

794
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: happens with guys. You know, we're not talking about somebody

795
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: who was arrested or anything like that. It's just maturity

796
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: stuff in a baseball field. And I think you can,

797
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: I think you can outgrow that. So what's abouts the case?

798
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: And I think the big thing for for him is

799
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: just not swinging so damn much. I mean, he really

800
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: liked to swing. Early in the season, he started to

801
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: kind of get inside of an approach. He had a

802
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: little bit more of a plan. Later in the year,

803
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: we saw the results come a little bit more. I

804
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: think just the quality of the bats got better. So

805
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: we'll see. He is as much ability as anybody if

806
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: he if he shows up next year and has a

807
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: great year, it would.

808
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 4: Jock, Yeah, No, for me, Khalil is easily probably one

809
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 4: of the most polarizing players of that draft class in

810
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one.

811
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: Uh.

812
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 4: You know, he rated that that he had like a

813
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: two hundred WRC plus in the FCL last year or

814
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, and in this year, you know, starting

815
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 4: out he was absolutely electric. He has that twitchy athleticism.

816
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: He's easily like a twenty twenty candidate in the future

817
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 4: if he puts it together. Like you mentioned, Jeff, he's

818
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 4: a every bit of a free swing. Ear Like, he

819
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 4: had that forty percent strike out rate earl end of

820
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: the year and that kind of curtilled a little bit,

821
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 4: but it still wasn't pretty at all by any measure. Uh.

822
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: And like you know, like you mentioned looking at looking

823
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 4: underneath the hood, you know, he had a forty four

824
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 4: percent chase rate, so he really really struggled. Honestly, I

825
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 4: feel like it's a lot. Honestly, like the way he

826
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: struggled was so bad at the plate that I almost

827
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 4: want to feel like it was a mental thing more

828
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 4: than anything else, because like it was, it wasn't this

829
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 4: bad the rookie level, and obviously that's the CPL, and

830
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: it's like it's like it's the rookie ball. It's really

831
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 4: just an advanced high school for all the best guys.

832
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 4: I don't really put too much weight into it. But

833
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 4: even then, like he wasn't off it, he was still

834
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: very good, and like it wasn't nearly this bad. The

835
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 4: chase rates were kind of alarming at the rookie level.

836
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 4: But still I think Pet personally it's more of a

837
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 4: learning curve from a mental perspective from him, from you know,

838
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 4: the young Waight Forest kid. He's just gonna mature, right, Uh,

839
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: He's gonna be He's got electric power, I think as

840
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 4: a plus tool, you know from a shortstop, is very

841
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 4: very valuable. Given his athleticism as well, He's got that

842
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: rotational athleticism you love to see from those up to

843
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 4: the middle athletes. So he's going to be staying there,

844
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: and he's going to be hitting very very well. I

845
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 4: think it's really ultimately if he's how much is slugging,

846
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 4: it's going to come down to how much he's able

847
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 4: to adjust to professional pitching. And but really his arm

848
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 4: strength and his athleticisms are going to keep him up

849
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: the middle and especially I believe at shortstop even if

850
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 4: it's not there, it's gonna be like in center older

851
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 4: at second base, like he's got it. Like you mentioned,

852
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 4: there's there's a fewer players who are as toolsy as

853
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 4: he is in the minor leagues, just as like Khalil

854
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 4: as Khalil Watson is, but he's extremely extremely raw, Like

855
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: we mentioned that sixty raw power is raw because he

856
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 4: can't make contact and he hasn't really been able to.

857
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 4: But when he does, the ball booms off of this bat.

858
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of scouts have put invested a

859
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 4: lot of concern into the maturity. I personally don't believe

860
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 4: it's that big of a deal. You know, all of

861
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 4: us make mistakes at eighteen nineteen, We all do stupid stuff,

862
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 4: but and it's no different for a guy like Khalil Watson.

863
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit overrated. Obviously what he

864
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 4: did is not good. He needs to learn from that.

865
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 4: But I don't think the character thing is going to

866
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 4: be super alarming. It's kind of overplayed in my opinion,

867
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: for other reasons. If anything, if you're going to talk

868
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: about him, it's the idea at the plate where it's

869
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 4: it's more circumstantial. I feel even then other guys have

870
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: him as a forty f fee, I still have him

871
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: as a forty five because I do believe that there's

872
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 4: something to be said. But if he's chasing this much

873
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 4: single a what is it? It's going to be happening

874
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 4: at a higher level. But even like you know, it's

875
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 4: still pretty high. There's some mental aspect to it. I

876
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: believe where he'll rebound. Like Jeff said, I wouldn't be

877
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 4: surprised if he does.

878
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, lewis your thoughts on mister Watson before we move

879
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: on to some of the pictures, before we wrap up.

880
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: I mean, given the dynamicism of his ability to hit

881
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: for power and walk, you know, I'm a guy who

882
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: kind of predicates his I guess his writing, his writing prowss,

883
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: not even prowess. I feel like that's to self, not

884
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: even like, maybe it's too narcissistic to like use that word,

885
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: so I'll abstain from it. But I would say comparisons

886
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: are like a thing that I like to do as

887
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: far as projections go. But I wanted to ask Jeff

888
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: because when I'm looking at him, I'm looking at from

889
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: the profile, the aggressive chase, but also the true twenty

890
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: twenty and if it further manifests thirty thirty ability that

891
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: he could show at the upper levels of the miners

892
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe one day in the big leagues

893
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: he puts it together and does something like that. Am

894
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: I looking at Byron Buxton playing shortstop? Jeff? That also

895
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: kind of leads me to ask you what kind of

896
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: what is his ceiling going beyond the twenty eighty scouting scale,

897
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: Like are there any maybe contemporary big leaguers that you

898
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 3: see and when you watch Watson, like as far as

899
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: his abilities and the way that he plays the game,

900
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 3: is is he more hobby bias or is he more

901
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: you know, Tim Anderson or is he another guy like

902
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 3: you know, say Buxton, who while playing a different premium

903
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: defensive position, kind of exudes similar skill set.

904
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: I think it's more like Hobby baias like without the defense,

905
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: He's never going to be a hobby like level defender.

906
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: He's probably going to end up at second base, I

907
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: would honestly imagine. But at the plate, like it's a

908
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 2: direct hobby comp. Hobby was probably more advanced at this point.

909
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: Definitely was you know, even as much as Hobby Bias

910
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: swung and missed, like I think there was more contact,

911
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: especially in the minors. He didn't kind of like struggle

912
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: like this. But it's very much like that kind of

913
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: a profile where it's on twitch, it's on you know,

914
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: power at the point of contact, you know, he expands

915
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: the zone a lot. He's gonna run high chase rates

916
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: even if he you know, even like like a positive

917
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: chase rate for him is probably like in the low thirties.

918
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 2: This is never going to be a guy that's running

919
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: like twenty five or lower, you know, percent chase rate.

920
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: He's just not going to be a guy like that.

921
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: But you know, if he's got power, he's got twitch

922
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: kind of figures out what to swing at, so we

923
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 2: swinging it stuff inside the zone kind of all right,

924
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: with like there being a little bit of wh there.

925
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: Him chasing on certain pitches, particularly inside, because he can't

926
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: get pretty compact and sort of drive that stuff, you know,

927
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: cheats and sort of ambushes it to his full side. So,

928
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: you know, I think with a guy like this, like

929
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: you know, you look at like, you know, stuff that's

930
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: sort of eliminates contacts and stuff you look like, you know,

931
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: wobacon and things like that, his numbers are great because

932
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: he has good angles and he's got good power. So

933
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 2: I really think, like like Cobby Buye is a lot

934
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: of it's predicated on that, and you just need to

935
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: sort of turn down the dial a little bit on

936
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: the aggression, and if you can get it to a

937
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: sustainable period where he kind of balances the two, then

938
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: you could get a guy like Baias. I can't really

939
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: imagine at this point, like the ceiling that I would

940
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: have had on him a year ago. I don't know

941
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: if he's going to get to sort of that level.

942
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: I thought there was more approach here. I thought there

943
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: was more bad to ball skills. I thought there was

944
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: a better chance that he would stick a shortstop. But

945
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: you know now, I think like if you ended up

946
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: with Hobby Bye as second base, you'd probably were pretty excited,

947
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 2: Like you'd be a really exciting player.

948
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, before we go, Jeff, really quickly, I wanted to

949
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: ask your thoughts on Max Smeyer and Jake Eat. I mean,

950
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: we could put them both together. Marlon's one picture who's

951
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: going into rehab for Tommy John and another picture who's

952
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: just coming out of it. Just how do you overlook

953
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: those two players and maybe what the Marlins have there

954
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: with Max Smyer and Jake Eater just both having Tommy

955
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: John almost one year apart.

956
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: Well, the crazy thing is, had my Eater or not

957
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: gotten hurt, I really think there would have been a

958
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: case for like him moving ahead of Myra and Ras

959
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: he was out pitching him. I like his fastball more

960
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: than I like Myers fastball. Myerk cuts the hell out

961
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: of his fastball. He's got velocity. I don't really like

962
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: the movement on it, to be Frank, I think that's

963
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: what his biggest problem is going to be once he

964
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: comes back, If he returns to form, It's like, how

965
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: is that fastball gonna play? It's every bit of seventy slider,

966
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: but he needs to have something to play off of it.

967
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: I've actually always liked Myyer's change up more than the

968
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: majority of people did. I've had an above average grade

969
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: on it for a long time. I think, you know,

970
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: some of the consensus finally caught up to that. I

971
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: think you can even argue just from like a pitch

972
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: movement and like looking at what is effective in the

973
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: major leagues, his changeup might actually be a higher grade

974
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: pitch than this fastball, despite you know, the velocity and

975
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: everything else you got. You gotta have shape. You got

976
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: to be able to do something, whether it's like heavy

977
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: cut or ride or release characteristics that aren't quite as

978
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: generic as Myers. It's just not a lot of deception,

979
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: which is one of the reasons that he sort of

980
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: lives off of that slider. And if he's not landing it,

981
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: you can be really ineffective. I felt like Ader was

982
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: a guy that just because of the circumstances at Vanderbilt,

983
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: he never got overused to vanderbuilt the way that some

984
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: of these other starters have. That again, he did end

985
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 2: up having an arm injury. But you talk about fastball

986
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 2: slider combination, it's really good. I mean that those are

987
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 2: two legitimately plus pitches. The changeup is used, it's fine,

988
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: He's probably average, he's got control. I thought when you

989
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 2: were watching him prior to that injury, especially when he

990
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: went on that run, he was just executing like every

991
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: single time out. It was like the slept fastball, the slider.

992
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: It was just always in the right spot. You know,

993
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: he's keeping guys guessing he was able to manipulate shape

994
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: on it when he wanted to. If we if he

995
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: comes back and we see that again, I think this

996
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: guy will be in the major leagues fairly quickly. Like

997
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: I you know, it may it may take two months,

998
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: but I think it will probably move pretty quick because

999
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: I would imagine the pent of the Double A send

1000
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: him over to Triple A after that for a little bit.

1001
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: But you know, we look back and we think about

1002
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 2: how well Eater was executing at that point in time.

1003
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: I think, if you can get back to that with the

1004
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: same stuff, this is. This is another guy that's being

1005
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: a little slept on right now. But that happens. Guys

1006
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 2: get hurt and they get forgotten about. Like the good reason,

1007
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: it's other players playing other stuff going on. You know,

1008
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: not too long ago, this guy was the big news

1009
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: in this system, and I think for good reasons. So

1010
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: what's let's hope that you know, he's back to full

1011
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 2: help and the stuff is all the way back, which

1012
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: I have no reason based on what I've heard that

1013
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: that's not going to be the case. So yeah, I

1014
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: would take him. I think that, you know, he's probably

1015
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: the guy over Meyer. I think Meyer's going to end

1016
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: up being a reliever. Honestly, Yeah, yeah, promile. I just

1017
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: I think that's what he's gonna end up being.

1018
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 3: That's the general consensus around most of us here too.

1019
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 4: The way I'm kind of feeling about either. I have

1020
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 4: him ranked pretty high just because I like what you mentioned,

1021
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 4: and especially what he put up in twenty twenty one

1022
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: is like literally like one to one numbers, like a

1023
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: guy who was selected with the number one over A

1024
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: pick of the draft. That is the kind of numbers

1025
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 4: you put up at Double A, you know, just straight

1026
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 4: up coming out of the draft. And he was absolutely

1027
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 4: he missed time obviously, uh, he didn't pitch. I think

1028
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 4: this first possible professional season a part of the year

1029
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, but he came out of the gates

1030
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 4: in twenty two one in Double A at Pensacola. He

1031
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 4: was absolutely amazing. Like and I and I think there's

1032
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 4: a there's a legit chance he could be a three

1033
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 4: or four, I think that might be somewhat up. Maybe

1034
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 4: I think a four is probably more of a better outcome,

1035
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 4: I believe. But I think that fastball that he's throwing

1036
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 4: in the high nineties as team in the high nineties,

1037
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 4: with that slurvy curveball, I think it's just absolutely an

1038
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 4: amazing profile. And he's got that change up. I think

1039
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 4: that's kind of working. It's in the workings right now,

1040
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 4: but it's still coming in. And I think he's going

1041
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 4: to be a very very effective starter. And it's just

1042
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 4: another amazing arm the Marlins have. And I you know,

1043
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 4: kind of looking at Fulton or not Fulton, Max Meyer.

1044
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 4: He's got that fastball slider combo, probably one of the

1045
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 4: best in the minor leagues. But for me personally, I

1046
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 4: do think we've we've seen him even at Minnesota there

1047
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 4: was relieve or risk even when he was drafted. So

1048
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 4: as hard as he throws in as effective as a

1049
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 4: slider is, I do believe that Meyer also like there

1050
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 4: he if he's not going to be you know, throwing

1051
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 4: or five innings as a starter, he will be a

1052
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 4: very very good reliever. He's always been someone who's thrown

1053
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 4: like he's had a lot of good command and control

1054
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 4: as a as a as a starter, even though his

1055
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 4: fastball kind of dida does lack some of advanced shape.

1056
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I still think if if he does

1057
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 4: end up in the bullpen, he's gonna be like a

1058
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 4: super weapon out of there. He's going to be very

1059
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: very effective and he's gonna be one of the best

1060
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 4: pieces in baseball.

1061
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, Jeff, Before we let you go, this has

1062
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: been really great Tucky. Prospects. Just the final thing I

1063
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: want to hear from you, just for Marlins fans and

1064
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: for people listening. How does the future look like for

1065
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: the Marlins in terms of prospects?

1066
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 4: Should should?

1067
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: Should they be happy? Should be looking at it with

1068
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: with smiles? How does the feature look prospect wise for

1069
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: the Marlins?

1070
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: It's been you know, it's been a weird couple of

1071
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: years because I feel like they've they've added talent. It's

1072
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: certainly not a system that is I would say then,

1073
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: but there's been a lot of guys that I would

1074
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: say the outcomes haven't been quite as good as you

1075
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: would have hoped, And it seems like that's been a

1076
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: pretty consistent theme now for a few years. You know,

1077
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: we'll we'll see how things sort of you know shake

1078
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: out with like Cabrera at the major league level and

1079
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: some of these other guys. You know, the injury with

1080
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 2: Meyer when he was about to come up, I think,

1081
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: you know, or was up more or less. You know,

1082
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: that's pretty pretty I don't love the Jacob Barry pick.

1083
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: Of course, what happened with Khalil Watson over the year

1084
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: isn't great. I do think that you guys do a

1085
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: really good job in the international market. We've seen that

1086
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: with Yury Perez. Uh So, if there's any team that

1087
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 2: could have another breakout guy that's off these lists right now,

1088
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: it could be the Marlins. But like Yudi Cafe is

1089
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 2: a really interesting prospect we didn't talk about. And you

1090
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 2: know there's guys that down in the you know, Dominican

1091
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: Republic and some of those you know, the international scouts

1092
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: that I've spoken with that have like put like to

1093
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: he's type of comps on just you know, like a

1094
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 2: ton of twitch. You know, there's there's maybe more power

1095
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: coming and just you know, really exciting player. They have

1096
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: a lot of guys who are really exciting. I think

1097
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: the big thing is you know, with some of the

1098
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: regime change, let's be optimistic that you know, maybe some

1099
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: of the you know, training methods and player development stuff

1100
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: that you guys are doing will alter a little bit

1101
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: and change, and as you get more progressive, maybe in

1102
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: those areas, particularly on the hitting side, we'll start to

1103
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 2: see you know, some some more some more fruit from

1104
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 2: the farm.

1105
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: Awesome, well, Jeff, this has been a lot of fun.

1106
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna thank you so much for for coming on.

1107
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: This has been you know, easially probably the best episode,

1108
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: uh so, for Adam Lewis, for Eli behind the scenes,

1109
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm Daniel, Jeff, thank you so much for coming on.

1110
00:55:49,640 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: This has been fish ology and always go fish