Speaker 1: Come on, man, shoot that month fall and my dream
Speaker 1: was to be a killer. They shoot the victim.
Speaker 2: When we shot them in the chest. Three point fifty
Speaker 2: seven blue Chip Hollow Park. They thought I was a monster.
Speaker 1: Went out for my girl. In a minute, I run
Speaker 1: away from home. I got my mama caught in pound.
Speaker 1: She went out of town to the hard racing. My
Speaker 1: grandmama at.
Speaker 2: The have half bad babysittings, going to recovering of phase
Speaker 2: book still relapsed.
Speaker 3: Charleston Whites born in the year nineteen seventy is a
Speaker 3: US based content creator, YouTuber, motivational speaker, and all around
Speaker 3: social media influencer. Charleston was well known for his amazing
Speaker 3: YouTube videos.
Speaker 2: We stole the bulletproof vest, We stole the gun. He
Speaker 2: stabbed his best friend's next to a neighbor. He stabbed
Speaker 2: a ninety three times.
Speaker 1: And there's no such thing as a cold hearted child.
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as a child porn bad. No
Speaker 1: child is born bad.
Speaker 3: He constantly posted on his popular YouTube channel with over
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand followers.
Speaker 1: So he holed a gun up and point the gun.
Speaker 1: Then I'll tell the man give us back the keys.
Speaker 2: So he throw the keys now By this time all
Speaker 2: was out the car, so he throw the keys to
Speaker 2: the car owner. He get in the car. I turned around,
Speaker 2: get in the car. Then I turned back and look,
Speaker 2: come on.
Speaker 4: Man, shoot that month file man. He hit it a
Speaker 4: murder seeing his glory. This is a twelve of your
Speaker 4: old kid, and there come up with blood.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing molten games were scary, or I'm seeing molten games.
Speaker 1: Probably for the same reason I joined. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be accepted. I wanted to be a part of something.
Speaker 1: And if being part.
Speaker 2: Of something mean that I had to participate in and somebody,
Speaker 2: then I would have participated.
Speaker 5: In bringing this looks so easy? Are your other podcast
Speaker 5: can tease me?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Making this looks so easy? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Lord Jo Roads bunged up the craze before a
Speaker 5: million dollars port the game had his face before drink
Speaker 5: Champs poured it up on the floor. We were the
Speaker 5: ones knocking down on the door. Were clean in the voice,
Speaker 5: but their actions don't map. Some podcasters fumble and lose
Speaker 5: their own catch. We keep the one hundred relieve in
Speaker 5: the pack while others play chess. We stay on track
Speaker 5: to the place where the culture is hot, where the
Speaker 5: realness is where.
Speaker 1: But we've gotten this spired from the grind to the rible,
Speaker 1: carved on the throne, with looming on the mic, and
Speaker 1: never alone till.
Speaker 5: Then happen every week we thrive where the culture means
Speaker 5: the hustle.
Speaker 1: It's a whole new five.
Speaker 5: No dam, it's no game, it's just truth on the dome.
Speaker 5: It's up there podcast the culture's home.
Speaker 2: I've had a listen to me, and I'm for the
Speaker 2: blow y'all away with this. I've had an idle mind
Speaker 2: from the time I was born till I was twelve.
Speaker 2: Your mind I didn't take. Yeah, yeah, so had my
Speaker 2: mind from from my from my infancy to my adolescent
Speaker 2: when I'm most impressionable.
Speaker 1: Mh. They thought I was a monster.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, I snatched.
Speaker 1: I snatched your grandmama period and break our nose and
Speaker 1: let it go, man.
Speaker 2: I white girl in a minute, still white girl walking
Speaker 2: down the street at night time in the alcohol and
Speaker 2: somebody front yard.
Speaker 1: Trying to take up listening to that ship man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do to white people?
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, listening to listening, sitting in the house listening
Speaker 7: to them old racist as the mom and the people
Speaker 7: have mama over with because we gotta we need a baking.
Speaker 1: Yeah that grandmama listening to them old foolish.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah yeah yeah, operating with no information. They don't
Speaker 8: know much or nothing.
Speaker 2: No, man, they ain't even got no being in talking
Speaker 2: like this around it with this food to say, revenue
Speaker 2: and talk. So what I take to it. All I
Speaker 2: know is to hurt white people. A white girl put
Speaker 2: cracking or get a drunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one train on black girl.
Speaker 2: We learned to trains from listening to our two line crew.
Speaker 1: Hey, we want some pussy. You didn't know noboudy So
Speaker 1: when girl to we heard that shit right right. So
Speaker 1: all the.
Speaker 2: Information is not because someone sitting me down directly and
Speaker 2: teaching me and training me. I'm indirectly learning shit from
Speaker 2: what I hear and what I.
Speaker 8: Got access to exactly, show Man, when I taught that mother.
Speaker 2: Case on me at fourteen September eighteen, nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 2: I had ran away from home. I took my nigga's
Speaker 2: name on the crime spree. We broke into my girlfriend's house.
Speaker 8: Being the leader again, having the information again, being able
Speaker 8: to apply again, you know, like you say, then around
Speaker 8: them the older people, you a little more advanced than
Speaker 8: the brothers. You see what I'm saying. Oh, well, continue,
Speaker 8: I run away from home.
Speaker 1: I got my mama call in pounding. She went out
Speaker 1: of town to the heart racing my grandmama at the house.
Speaker 2: Uh half fat babysitting still you know, you know, going
Speaker 2: through her recovering phase, but still relapsing.
Speaker 1: So uh she man wants to go bringing in their sleep.
Speaker 2: Nigga, you can raise the mattress up and get the
Speaker 2: keys from up under that we already know.
Speaker 1: Brand and go put under the mattress ship. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: steal mama call and go pick up my homeboy. We
Speaker 1: go get your mother.
Speaker 2: Little girls just go sneak out. We go go snatch purses,
Speaker 2: Uh do bill runs and do all kinds of shit.
Speaker 2: Mama call, Uh so take it back in morning. Uh
Speaker 2: So I had done that one night. Man got mama
Speaker 2: call and pounded. Mamaa come back and go poot my mask.
Speaker 2: And I was still scared of Mama. I just didn't
Speaker 2: give a damn about their masks, Mama's disappointment, Mama's disappointment. Man.
Speaker 2: At times, man seemed can be worse than ass whooping yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, because.
Speaker 8: You get a slick enough, man, you get slick enough
Speaker 8: to fake like the whooping hurt oh ship that shit
Speaker 8: ain't it ain't moving the needle.
Speaker 1: But like you say, when.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And away from home or at home, man, my mother
Speaker 2: could have would not have imagined I was out doing
Speaker 2: this kind of ship. So away from home, I'm all
Speaker 2: these characters in my mind.
Speaker 1: I'm all these characters that I done created.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So I'm all these characters only based
Speaker 2: on the lyrics.
Speaker 1: Uh. And I've created these characters in my mind.
Speaker 2: And so this is what I act like away from home, man,
Speaker 2: And and and on the surface, uh, you were thinking
Speaker 2: it was a cold hearted child. And and and there's
Speaker 2: no such thing as a cold hearted child. There's no
Speaker 2: such thing as a child born bad. No child is
Speaker 2: going bad. Right, So when I run away from home, man,
Speaker 2: I'm i'm I'm I'm doing everything.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, my age is setting dope.
Speaker 2: Uh you know that was the thing to do, you know,
Speaker 2: but we were mostly you know, getting the dope, the
Speaker 2: trick with the dope things, you know, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, Miss Frill, you know, Big Paul.
Speaker 1: Give me one hundred and twenty five hours worth the
Speaker 1: dome and ship. I tricked all one hundred thirty.
Speaker 2: With mesking she is because she's sneaking and hid so
Speaker 2: so setting dope what never.
Speaker 1: You know, I could never grasp that because I was
Speaker 1: never poor.
Speaker 2: So crime so for most young children, uh and mostly
Speaker 2: kids that's not doing this to eat, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: the thrill of crime situation. Yeah yeah, that thrill man,
Speaker 2: of of of being in trouble homie. And so that's
Speaker 2: all it was, man, the rush that I got from
Speaker 2: snatching first. It wasn't never about no money, all right.
Speaker 2: So one day man, you know, uh, we decided to
Speaker 2: go to we I decide.
Speaker 1: Man, let's go to tomorrow. It's still started jackets. Yeah yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go still some started jacket man. We just
Speaker 1: go grab some and run out up.
Speaker 8: In the too, keep up in the anty. First you
Speaker 8: go from we just found a big sure he found it.
Speaker 8: Now I'm in the stove and run out with some
Speaker 8: starter jacket man.
Speaker 1: Robbing after we talked about robbing after that. So what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So.
Speaker 2: Before we break it to my girlfriend dad's house, we
Speaker 2: break it to my girlfriend house. Man, her dad was
Speaker 2: my dad was a Dallas police officer. Or I lived
Speaker 2: in a good neighborhood. Man her dad was a Dallas
Speaker 2: police officer. They was a real good family. We stole
Speaker 2: we stole the bulletproof vest, we stole the gun. So
Speaker 2: after that, or we go to we go to money
Speaker 2: for the brother or Mike Neim Mike pawing everything forward
Speaker 2: when we leave Mikenim.
Speaker 1: Now all of us got some money when we pawn everything.
Speaker 2: So I say, man, let's go to the mall because
Speaker 2: you know we're going to teas which was a little
Speaker 2: tay club and Friday, and this was Thursday.
Speaker 1: Man, let's go run after mall with some jackets. So boom,
Speaker 1: mother two partners. They didn't want to do it. Let
Speaker 1: me say, man, drop us out, man, come back and
Speaker 1: get us later.
Speaker 2: So I say, man, I'm on, I'm so anxious, homie,
Speaker 2: cause I don't run away from home.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm just after wire, trying to get
Speaker 1: something done. Yeah, being wild home. I ain't got my mom.
Speaker 1: I'm stupid. So I say, man, let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's go about the Narcis house and let's see get
Speaker 2: the Narcis to drive the car. So we went bout
Speaker 2: the narca's house and he would cutting my partner to
Speaker 2: warn have with her. So I tell him to spill
Speaker 2: what we gonna do. Say, yeah, come back, let us
Speaker 2: cut to warn her, let me finish, cut to one
Speaker 2: on her and.
Speaker 1: Come back and get us. I don't want to wait,
Speaker 1: so I leave. Man, come on, man, so man, let's
Speaker 1: go back over here and see if torn and ready.
Speaker 2: So I go get torn, big torn over there. Say, man,
Speaker 2: come on, y'all, let's go do this. So I come
Speaker 2: up with the playing This is my idea. We go
Speaker 2: go in there, ride the jackets and run. So we
Speaker 2: go to the mall it's mid day, or we go
Speaker 2: to the mall, or play some video games, going foot locker,
Speaker 2: and uh, it was on shift and just looked like
Speaker 2: he could run fast. We ain't know if the run
Speaker 2: fair or not. Just look like, oh man, we ain't
Speaker 2: gonna do it, or we'll we'll wait. So we go
Speaker 2: play video games again for about an hour or two,
Speaker 2: and god damn it.
Speaker 1: We go back.
Speaker 2: It's a different shift now it's a white boy now
Speaker 2: with a broll. We in here trying on hats, trying
Speaker 2: on jackets, and to us, we don't think we look
Speaker 2: suspicious the.
Speaker 1: Middle of the day. We all kids, it's the mid
Speaker 1: of the month.
Speaker 2: Date were grabbing jackets costs one hundred something dollars, like
Speaker 2: we can this body and ship man and we got
Speaker 2: two three hats big. We already know the plan was, dude,
Speaker 2: go to the back man break before we supposed to break.
Speaker 2: So we all got the break.
Speaker 1: God, dammit, lower and behold the white boy. Don't do it.
Speaker 2: He runs just as fast as we thought that.
Speaker 1: He just looks slow. Say well, he's a white boy.
Speaker 1: You you get over on them?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you think.
Speaker 8: I get out of here and.
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Speaker 2: Listening to your culture, listening to the around here. I
Speaker 2: grew up thinking white boys was weak, mescans were weak.
Speaker 2: I thought everybody was weak.
Speaker 1: Man white men.
Speaker 2: You don't know until you get in jail. It's a
Speaker 2: white boy, whoop you, it's a misskan that. So you
Speaker 2: don't know this weak until you go to jail. We
Speaker 2: don't get exposed and.
Speaker 1: The game be on a hunter. Yeah, it's some of
Speaker 1: the best wolfing ever made. Boy, because you can talk
Speaker 1: loud and you got your bible, so listen. So to
Speaker 1: see the white boy in there, pomat me. Think the
Speaker 1: white boy slow because he white man. That white boy
Speaker 1: could run.
Speaker 2: So when we run out homie, when we run out man,
Speaker 2: we get to the car, when one of the drop
Speaker 2: his hat a summer he got to run around the
Speaker 2: car a victim or was a was a white man
Speaker 2: by the name of Michael Lee Or.
Speaker 1: He had just got married three days prior to that.
Speaker 1: So he in the car.
Speaker 2: Thank his car broke down or something. So he had
Speaker 2: a parking lot working on his car, and he see
Speaker 2: what's going on this broad daylight. When we get to
Speaker 2: the car, I jumped in the back seat with the gun.
Speaker 8: So y'all got the jackets by this point, y'all trying
Speaker 8: to get away?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, we get in the car
Speaker 2: with the jackets and everything.
Speaker 1: You don't then get in the back seat. I jump
Speaker 1: in with the gun.
Speaker 2: I don't know why this couldn't put the car neutral
Speaker 2: or out of park or something, but he couldn't go nowhere.
Speaker 1: He tryed to. He missing it, that's what he.
Speaker 2: Was missing neutral instead of putting it in part it
Speaker 2: was old old regale.
Speaker 1: Man with seconds.
Speaker 2: As we got in the car, our victim or mister
Speaker 2: Leey ran over a dove on top of the car
Speaker 2: and he started hitting the windshield.
Speaker 1: Boom, boom.
Speaker 2: Ain't booking cracking the shield, but it ain't cracking. So
Speaker 2: now the driver he panicking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam, what you doing?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Man? So now he playing like he don't know what
Speaker 1: we done done. Man, I don't know what's in un done? Sir.
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 9: Sir?
Speaker 1: Man? What'syat? Gun? Looking at the ship? Ship going so fast?
Speaker 1: I'm telling them the gold gold, So we ain't going over.
Speaker 2: So we throw all the jackets and hats after one
Speaker 2: new things and that's go make it stop.
Speaker 1: Man. They ain't trying to They ain't trying to leave.
Speaker 2: They won't justice say, man, that man reaching them.
Speaker 1: I don't know how he done it, but boy, that
Speaker 1: reaching it. And turn the keys off and took the
Speaker 1: keys out. Technicians. God, Now we stuck and I'm sitting.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on the gun so I can get a
Speaker 1: gun shoot that man. We can't. I can't get let
Speaker 1: me out.
Speaker 2: Man, Listen, you know I'm legal, you know, and I
Speaker 2: think big gotta let me out the back seat. So
Speaker 2: I get up aft the back seat tell her, hey, man,
Speaker 2: give up back to the key. He say, if y'all
Speaker 2: want the keys, you have to wait for the police
Speaker 2: to come here.
Speaker 1: So by this time, man, I'm man shooting.
Speaker 2: So the driver is getting out the driver's seat and
Speaker 2: he walks around from the driver's side to the back
Speaker 2: of the car to the passenger side where I'm at.
Speaker 2: So he hold the gun up and point the gun.
Speaker 2: Then I tell the man give us back the keys,
Speaker 2: so he throw the keys. Now by this time all
Speaker 2: of us out the car right, So he throw the
Speaker 2: keys to the car owner and he get in the car.
Speaker 2: I turned around get in the car. Then I turned
Speaker 2: back and look, come.
Speaker 1: On, man, shoot that month file man.
Speaker 2: He hit it in the chest three fifty seven blue
Speaker 2: chip hollow points. When the full locker man saw him
Speaker 2: get out with the with the gun, he took.
Speaker 6: Out a tree.
Speaker 2: It's a parking lot full of people just looking or
Speaker 2: unbeknownst to us, it's a girl that we go to
Speaker 2: school with didn't go to school that day, and hear
Speaker 2: and their mother was at the mall, so that's how
Speaker 2: they identified it. So as we leave him stand over
Speaker 2: and look at him get in the car. Everybody quiet.
Speaker 2: We shot that, so we laughed like everybody lad, with
Speaker 2: no real understanding of what we had just done. You
Speaker 2: just know I got away, man, You know, man, you
Speaker 2: just know you've done something and within a couple of
Speaker 2: hours you'll forget as if it's you didn't stay around
Speaker 2: and watch him die all you know, man, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like the movies. It goes to another scene and
Speaker 2: it goes away to a kid. So we go back,
Speaker 2: you know, to the neighborhood, bragging about it, but we
Speaker 2: line saying that some white boys tried to jump or
Speaker 2: not knowing that it fit to be on the news
Speaker 2: in a little bit. So then we walked down to
Speaker 2: some apartments or to go trick with this dope fend
Speaker 2: named Renee.
Speaker 1: So Renee, we fould go to the v C all
Speaker 1: take place. We foulda go get us some.
Speaker 2: Naked movie and trick off all of the dope and
Speaker 2: a little money not from pawning everything.
Speaker 1: We feld take uh Renee, and one of and all
Speaker 1: of us in love with that grown pussy and and
Speaker 1: and one of us want to go to sleep with
Speaker 1: her like we her boy friend. Uh you gonna get her.
Speaker 1: She gonna have all the dope. This, man, is how
Speaker 1: we started out sending dope as kid.
Speaker 2: You know how I went went today, were going to
Speaker 2: Taco Bell, so I was gonna stay back to get
Speaker 2: the jump on your name. So I got the gun
Speaker 2: on me. I think she went and called the police,
Speaker 2: went to Taco Bell. She said, hold, I'll be back.
Speaker 2: I'm go use the pay phone. So when she came
Speaker 2: back in the house, she was saying.
Speaker 1: You got to get out of here. Oh, you got
Speaker 1: to get out of here.
Speaker 2: So when I'm a fourteen year old kid on me,
Speaker 2: I look out the window.
Speaker 1: It's news camera. Man, it's god, man, it's everything out there.
Speaker 1: I go on her patio.
Speaker 2: I had on some skied overalls with this old nylon shirt.
Speaker 1: Or I take the nylon shirt, wrapped the gun up
Speaker 1: and throw it on the roof. The arm sleeve of
Speaker 1: the shirt hangs off the roof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, man, you got to get out of here,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna tell him you in here.
Speaker 1: So boom, nigger.
Speaker 2: I'll go out and uh as I try to sneak
Speaker 2: by one of the news reporters, UH seen me.
Speaker 1: Hit that camera. There ain't go, I take off running.
Speaker 1: They chased me and ship nigger.
Speaker 2: I remember when they caught me, I had already been
Speaker 2: I was on probation. Uh they when I got charged
Speaker 2: with capitol murder. I had just got put on a
Speaker 2: year of probation for shooting at some white people.
Speaker 1: Remember I told you I had it in for white folk.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I was put on a year of probation for shooting
Speaker 2: at some white people. Uh like early June of that
Speaker 2: of that summer. Uh, school has school has started? In
Speaker 2: August I called attempted murder case that I was allegedly
Speaker 2: accused of trying to run some dudes over in the
Speaker 2: stolen car at this teenage club that was called Grahams.
Speaker 2: After a shootout, they locked me up and then the
Speaker 2: judge released me. Uh so I can start my start
Speaker 2: my school year. And then two weeks later I came
Speaker 2: back for capitol whatever. Uh it was front page paper
Speaker 2: headline news we killed the white men.
Speaker 8: Because I know you said back then they wouldn't charge
Speaker 8: kids with with capital murder?
Speaker 1: What was the situation back then? They did? Homy See
Speaker 1: it started in California.
Speaker 2: Homy seventy two, seventy three children in California began killing
Speaker 2: prior to that, there's no real record. There's isolated incidents,
Speaker 2: but there's no massive amount of children who became murderers.
Speaker 2: That didn't come about into seventy two seventy three due
Speaker 2: to the crypt Bloods.
Speaker 1: So they set the.
Speaker 2: Tone of juvenile delinquency, of juvenile crime, juvenile punishment in America.
Speaker 2: It was isolated only in California and then somewhat in Chicago,
Speaker 2: but more so in California.
Speaker 1: So when I caught my murder case.
Speaker 2: And this is outside of California, we became the first
Speaker 2: generation of children in the United States of America who
Speaker 2: began to be charged, who began committing crimes such as
Speaker 2: capital murder and running when that.
Speaker 1: Rapper right, So we're the first generation. That's when you
Speaker 1: hear the term super predator from Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 1: That's because we.
Speaker 2: Became the first children to start killing Robin Karjack and
Speaker 2: raping Toms and killing.
Speaker 1: Society had never saw that before.
Speaker 2: So when they came out and said that we have
Speaker 2: ah children who are super predators.
Speaker 1: In the description of super predators, can you imagine a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old looking like Lebron James.
Speaker 2: That's what that's We were the first generation. They could
Speaker 2: play in the NBA at eighteen years old.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, developed that.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So we became.
Speaker 2: They knew what they was giving us in our foods,
Speaker 2: they knew what McDonald's, so they knew that our body structures,
Speaker 2: we would be bigger, we would be faster.
Speaker 1: That's why we start breaking records, running and shit.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what they mean by.
Speaker 2: Super predators because we was gonna have all of these
Speaker 2: traits and characteristics to be able to outrun the police,
Speaker 2: to be killed people at one time with our ball
Speaker 2: hands because we so and we're gonna from criminals.
Speaker 1: They knew that, right, So I fell then.
Speaker 8: Also, if you look at it, like look at what
Speaker 8: you were doing at fourteen, imagine that twenty.
Speaker 1: Four a decade a thug and what would he be
Speaker 1: doing at you.
Speaker 2: Know time, Say, homie, we were living, we were raping.
Speaker 1: We didn't know we were raping. Yeah, we didn't know
Speaker 1: what it was. The culture, homie.
Speaker 2: We would we snatched parishes and and from old women.
Speaker 1: Nigga, we shout up old women houses.
Speaker 2: Yeah we'll we'll kill your grandmama for this crip ship.
Speaker 1: Right right, no nomber so oh, we was children who
Speaker 1: lacked consciousness.
Speaker 2: Of a mall compass, right, meaning we had no morality.
Speaker 6: Right right, right right?
Speaker 1: And so when they so we're the first generations, right.
Speaker 2: So, so here we come with the murders in the
Speaker 2: in the late eighties, early nineties.
Speaker 1: They were children.
Speaker 2: So society, this big shock wave of fear is sent
Speaker 2: through America. We have to get tougher on juvenile crime,
Speaker 2: we have to get tougher on children's So that's when
Speaker 2: the trend of America say, okay, mass incarceration. Oh, we're
Speaker 2: gonna take fourteen year olds and try to.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: So society no longer had compassion for trouble ute because
Speaker 2: of us, because we start the seriousness in the heineus
Speaker 2: of our crimes.
Speaker 1: So in reality, Homie, we really were. I was a
Speaker 1: super predator.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we all were.
Speaker 1: We rolled around, We.
Speaker 2: Woke up hunting niggas kill them. We rode through neighborhoods
Speaker 2: looking for certain things.
Speaker 1: We men.
Speaker 2: So we were super predators. Yeah, and we wasn't doing
Speaker 2: it for money. These wasn't economic crime, n.
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I went into an institution for us, specifically.
Speaker 2: To Texas the nineties, eras of incarceration was more rehabilitative, right,
Speaker 2: It wasn't a system of punishment.
Speaker 1: Right to commit a murder and get two years.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm saying for my generation, niggas had two
Speaker 2: years for murder, right, had two years.
Speaker 1: On the murder.
Speaker 2: There was guys who had forty years, right and went
Speaker 2: home in five years four years.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember my uncle im.
Speaker 8: Telling me, man, they used to get paid the sheriff
Speaker 8: and all kind of shit to get out of murders
Speaker 8: and ship back in the day when no computers or
Speaker 8: none of that kind of shit.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind we talked about children. Your children have.
Speaker 2: Children have never been able once they get into custody.
Speaker 2: So what they did with us, society had never saw
Speaker 2: children who would commit murder before us. We are the
Speaker 2: first kids that begin. We got to build an institution
Speaker 2: of locked children up for.
Speaker 6: Murderers, right right, right right.
Speaker 1: Man in America, we're just talking.
Speaker 2: Out to man, were just coming out not too long ago,
Speaker 2: Jim Crow in.
Speaker 8: The civil rights trouble, right right right right now, they're
Speaker 8: starting to kill.
Speaker 2: Now you got twelve year olds that's stabbing their next
Speaker 2: door neighbors. You got thirteen year old kicking in door,
Speaker 2: raping seventy eight year old women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, old burning up with cigarettes.
Speaker 2: Hitting in the head with a hammer, shooting her then
Speaker 2: is setting on fire.
Speaker 1: Nigga. You got kids cutting off people earls, Nigga.
Speaker 2: You got kids going in, killing the mama, killing the brother,
Speaker 2: killing the little sister, and taking the girlfriend off.
Speaker 1: You got kids committing these caps in eighty eight, eighty nine.
Speaker 1: So the court system is seeing this, the police is
Speaker 1: seeing this, the lawmakers are hearing about these crimes, right, say, homie,
Speaker 1: I didn't know our city, Homie, I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't know kids killed like.
Speaker 2: This until I went into an institution and there was
Speaker 2: four hundred more than kids.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: O full roommate killed this mom and his daddy and
Speaker 2: his and his pen pound was Charles Manson. Man, I'm
Speaker 2: win in that institution, man, hey, man, So society seeing
Speaker 2: these type of crimes, homie, Now we saying, man, they
Speaker 2: roll Hey homie, man, I know I know some horrible
Speaker 2: crimes from kids committed. Yeah, and most of us wanted
Speaker 2: our hearts to be cold. I wanted I wanted a
Speaker 2: cold heart homy. My desire and my dreams was to
Speaker 2: be a killer based off the information I was said,
Speaker 2: the things that I saw right.
Speaker 1: I wasn't an abused kid.
Speaker 2: My mama didn't beat on me. I wasn't molested. I
Speaker 2: didn't have that post traumatic stress that a fuel anger
Speaker 2: from pain. I just see on lord from a father.
Speaker 2: I ain't never had a man around home, So I
Speaker 2: felt unloved by my daddy, and that hurt made me
Speaker 2: gravitate to others who was hurting in pain, and by
Speaker 2: us all gravitating and bonding together out of hurt, pain, dysfunction, neglect,
Speaker 2: and rejection, we all became delinquent.
Speaker 1: So we all learned bad thing from one another.
Speaker 2: We wasn't encouraging each other to join the debate team.
Speaker 2: We wasn't thurging each other to stay on the football team.
Speaker 1: With football, we woulda go breaking the house to go
Speaker 1: to practice today.
Speaker 8: So when you caught when you caught the murder, they
Speaker 8: decided at that point of time, around that time, they
Speaker 8: decided to start trying trying keep.
Speaker 1: Is as an adults. How many years or what?
Speaker 2: What was the sentic in what was the Guy eighty seven,
Speaker 2: Texas created a law called the Texas Juvenile Determined Sentencing Law,
Speaker 2: and that law says that if a kid commit a
Speaker 2: felony mainly murdered capital murder, rape, arson, kidnapping, and chad molestation,
Speaker 2: you could be sentenced an attempted capital murder. You can
Speaker 2: be sentenced anywhere from two to thirty years.
Speaker 8: Okay, you can only be tried as a trio He
Speaker 8: is God damn yeah so so so from.
Speaker 2: A so from age twelve. So from age twelve to
Speaker 2: twenty one, you could be sentenced anywhere from two to
Speaker 2: thirty years. If you committed it after seventeen, chances are
Speaker 2: you going You're going to the county jail because that's
Speaker 2: what age you go to the county. But juvenile jisdiction
Speaker 2: remained up until you was twenty one.
Speaker 1: Back in my day.
Speaker 2: So then I had a buddy by the name of
Speaker 2: Terrence Sampson. He could minute one of the most heinous
Speaker 2: volume times in the history of this state. He stablished
Speaker 2: his best friend, his next door neighbor. He stablished ninety
Speaker 2: three times inside his house.
Speaker 6: Good ju He was.
Speaker 1: At twelve years old. At twelve years old, he established
Speaker 1: ninety three times.
Speaker 8: You know what, and now I need I need the
Speaker 8: people watching the even understand what.
Speaker 1: You gotta go through the stab it once, so to
Speaker 1: keep stabbing him. Now, you gotta have some anger and
Speaker 1: shit built up.
Speaker 8: You gotta have some that just fueling, like like we
Speaker 8: were speaking about something fueling that shit.
Speaker 1: What's inside of a twelve year old child? Man? What's
Speaker 1: inside of a twelve year old baby that'll make him
Speaker 1: trick his friend and the coming over to his house
Speaker 1: cat so he can kill him? Is that a monster?
Speaker 1: It ain't no monster than a kid. Damn.
Speaker 2: So let me stopping I'm on Paul for a minute
Speaker 2: and let me paint this picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Terry Sampson was a good Wasn't nothing like us
Speaker 1: been trying to gang bang.
Speaker 2: He was the only child, and because his parents was
Speaker 2: well to do, they moved out of the ghetto and
Speaker 2: they moved into an upper class, middle class neighborhood in
Speaker 2: the mid eighties, like my mother did, looking for a
Speaker 2: better life, because all black people were doing that.
Speaker 1: We was making it out.
Speaker 2: Of poverty as a race man, right, So we moved
Speaker 2: into these neighborhoods and we moved next door to white people.
Speaker 2: But Terrence then lived out in Round Rock, Man and
Speaker 2: it wasn't a lot of black people. They were still
Speaker 2: kind of races out there, so he was still kind
Speaker 2: of by hisself isolated as a kid who was the
Speaker 2: only child. He had a white next door neighbor, man
Speaker 2: Kelly Kelly Brumlow.
Speaker 1: They were best friends.
Speaker 2: Could play basketball Alan Overson before Alan Overson even.
Speaker 1: Was it sent to us right right? That was a
Speaker 1: genius homie.
Speaker 2: That neigh or so high on the SATs and the
Speaker 2: acts in the juvenile system. The college courses didn't have
Speaker 2: no one fight down there, but they said he was
Speaker 2: a violent, vicious monster at twelve years old. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: one day, right, so at nighttime, Terrence used to sneak
Speaker 2: in his mama and daddy's room and get the gun
Speaker 2: after dresser and stand over his mom and daddy with
Speaker 2: the gun because he really wanted to kill his mom
Speaker 2: and daddy.
Speaker 1: Remember I told you I I grew.
Speaker 2: Up with children who killed their mothers in their fat
Speaker 2: You know, you know how many kids think about killing
Speaker 2: their mama because she beat him so bad? You know
Speaker 2: how many kids think about killing their mama. Caulse she
Speaker 2: letting that keep molesting him, and she know mama might
Speaker 2: have an idea. They get molested, but mama playing like.
Speaker 2: You know how many kids think about killing their mom
Speaker 2: and they daddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the mom and daddy don't know it right.
Speaker 2: So Terrees used to go in there, man, but he
Speaker 2: never had the courage to do it.
Speaker 1: Terre' daddy used to beat him.
Speaker 2: Daddy used to punch on him, yeah, and knock him
Speaker 2: and knock him out and then get on top of
Speaker 2: him laid on the ground, waking back up with punches
Speaker 2: choking it.
Speaker 1: Why you lot of me, boy? Why you lot to
Speaker 1: me boy? Why you lot of me boy? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Baby boy, baby set up until his mama going down,
Speaker 2: and the boy, the boy terrified of his daddy. If
Speaker 2: the boy leave a dish in or scene, you gonna
Speaker 2: get your ass pounded.
Speaker 1: Come on, you know how we do our kids?
Speaker 6: Someone up the beat Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So so Terrence be scared to leave them dishes in
Speaker 2: there sometimes, so he put them up under the bed.
Speaker 1: He used to put him up under the bed. One
Speaker 1: day Daddy found him old dirty dishes up under the bed. Boy.
Speaker 1: You know what you gonna get, don't you?
Speaker 2: Can you imagine a person that get tortured and get
Speaker 2: beat all the time. And the anticipation, yeah, anticipating when mama,
Speaker 2: when Mama say I'm gonna whoop your ass, and you
Speaker 2: got to wait all day for an ass whooping you.
Speaker 2: The anticipation is a psychological torre.
Speaker 6: Yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 2: So you find them up under the bed, say, boy,
Speaker 2: you go get it. That little boy thinking about man,
Speaker 2: what's going happening? And he loved playing basketball, so we
Speaker 2: went outside and he played basketball with Kelly.
Speaker 1: They played for a little bit, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Kelly said, I need to go in the house. I
Speaker 1: heard the phone ring.
Speaker 2: Now this is a kid that's dealing with something, the
Speaker 2: anticipation of abuse, and it's and it's bad now, and
Speaker 2: it's to the point where I'm thinking about killing.
Speaker 1: It's so bad.
Speaker 2: And I'm a kid at twelve years old, and it's
Speaker 2: fear that I'm feeling.
Speaker 1: But I'm also tired of being rejected. Yeah, I'm feeling alone,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Kids fill alone and rejected.
Speaker 2: And why you think beat women because they can't deal
Speaker 2: with rejection and they learnt it.
Speaker 1: They got rejected so much as a kid. If you
Speaker 1: reject me, I.
Speaker 8: Kill you reject me.
Speaker 1: That's where they get that from. Yeah, so Kelly said
Speaker 1: the phone ring.
Speaker 2: But this little boy that got this this darkness in
Speaker 2: him didn't hear the phone ring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, she gonna reject me too. I ain't done.
Speaker 2: Okay, When I go in this house and I call
Speaker 2: this house phone, they ain't have cell phone back in
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 1: When you call somebody house phone, the phone was busy.
Speaker 1: He had to wait till they get off the phone.
Speaker 1: You had to wait to get off the phone.
Speaker 2: So this twelve year old kids say, I'm fit of
Speaker 2: go in here and call her. And if that phone
Speaker 2: is not busy, I ain't gonna kill mom and daddy.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill a hawk because that's rejection.
Speaker 1: Rejection trigger them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no matter who reject you to call it trigger
Speaker 2: those child those emotions.
Speaker 1: Right. So when we called killing killer asked off the phone.
Speaker 1: So he call heerse her tricker and the coming over.
Speaker 2: Soon as she come over, man, he started stabbing her.
Speaker 1: And while man, you know that you got, they come again,
Speaker 1: come again, getting stuck in the bone.
Speaker 2: And the blood is keeping out. And this is your
Speaker 2: best friends.
Speaker 1: Saying why are you doing this? Meter Yeah, I will
Speaker 1: say nothing. That why you're doing this? And this kid
Speaker 1: got Is he angry? Is he hateful? Is he a monster?
Speaker 1: What can be inside of a twelve year old kid
Speaker 1: home in the drive that fear pain, abuse? So as
Speaker 1: he's stabbling a homie, just think it's hitting her on.
Speaker 2: They counting every mark is to the police, got markets on.
Speaker 1: So at some point she's saying, I won't tell anything.
Speaker 1: I won't say anything. He dropped the knife, he stopped.
Speaker 1: You're asking me, how do I know this?
Speaker 2: As I traveled the country, I never forgot Terren Sampson
Speaker 2: because he was a good kid.
Speaker 1: He wasn't mean. We were down there bullshit. All of
Speaker 1: us was good kids.
Speaker 2: But he was a little different, right, And I never
Speaker 2: forgot his story. I got to meet his victim's mother,
Speaker 2: or miss Brumlow.
Speaker 1: I got to meet her.
Speaker 2: When they sent Terrence to prison. I got to hear
Speaker 2: her story. And so I would tell Terrren's story everywhere
Speaker 2: I would speak. And when I tell people that he
Speaker 2: was a twelve year old kid who stabbed somebody ninety
Speaker 2: three times, they would be taken aback by his story.
Speaker 2: And he got no sympathy. And I'm telling people he
Speaker 2: was a twelve year old kid. Even they look at
Speaker 2: that and said no, no, man, ninety three times. So
Speaker 2: let me finish telling the story. He dropped that night
Speaker 2: when all that was happening, and I wrote him and
Speaker 2: I said, man, Terrence, I mean, I'll be telling your
Speaker 2: story home in and man, people they be taking it back. Man,
Speaker 2: I need to know why. And man, he wrote me
Speaker 2: a very detailed letter. I'm only shut it with one person,
Speaker 2: and that was Barbary Sanders with the four Worth Star Telegram,
Speaker 2: and that was to help him make parole. He wrote
Speaker 2: me a detailed, detailed letter of his crime and his relationship.
Speaker 2: I used to pay attention to him when we was
Speaker 2: locked up. Every year of the anniversary, he got sad,
Speaker 2: he got depressed, and it was always on the news,
Speaker 2: even to this day. It's thirty some years later, thirty
Speaker 2: some years.
Speaker 1: Later, still on the news.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to speak for him while I was
Speaker 2: out speaking on behalf of him and advocating for him.
Speaker 2: He spent twenty nine years on a thirty year sentence
Speaker 2: for that crime he committed at age twelve. So he
Speaker 2: wrote me the letter, and I read that letter so
Speaker 2: I can talk about No child is boring bad. That's
Speaker 2: one of the worst situations I think a kid can
Speaker 2: could be in. And I like talking about that situation
Speaker 2: to show people that no matter what a child does,
Speaker 2: no child is boring bad.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So while we're paused, before I continue on with with
Speaker 1: with with this story.
Speaker 2: While Terrence was on top of Kelly, stabbing her, I
Speaker 2: want to let y'all know that he got on top
Speaker 2: of her the same way his daddy got on top
Speaker 2: of him.
Speaker 1: Remember I told you his dad would straddle him, put
Speaker 1: his knees on his shoulder.
Speaker 8: Shut up with Yeah, why you lie when you stabbed him?
Speaker 2: Why you lied him the same thing he there you go.
Speaker 1: Children mimic what they see and repeat what they hear.
Speaker 2: He did the exact same things to Keilly that his
Speaker 2: father would do to him. So at one point in time,
Speaker 2: he dropped a knife, Homie, I said, man, what'll make
Speaker 2: you pick you back up? Not that I was afraid
Speaker 2: of the police, he says in the letter.
Speaker 1: He was more afraid of.
Speaker 2: That abusive fault and what that abusive father would do.
Speaker 2: So you know what he did.
Speaker 1: I want to go on into jail house, man, I got.
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about where I want to go,
Speaker 1: but I can't.
Speaker 6: Back yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Speaker 6: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't let hotel you a twelve year old kid,
Speaker 2: put Homer. We're talking about a twelve year old kid
Speaker 2: with an undeveloped brain. We're trying to make logical to
Speaker 2: see an undeveloped brain.
Speaker 1: He don't know what he's thinking, you know what he's
Speaker 1: driven by?
Speaker 6: Feer beer Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yes.
Speaker 2: Why they say, don't make nobody afraid of you, man
Speaker 2: a scary person. Now, yeah, send me by fear to
Speaker 2: reach back down and pick that knife.
Speaker 1: Up and finish that back again. Kiss man, now listen,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this. You can't even do this ninety three times.
Speaker 1: You can't want to.
Speaker 8: Tell imagine yanking it back yard and gotta.
Speaker 1: This is a twelve year old kid, brother, So let
Speaker 1: me finish painting this picture.
Speaker 2: The blood is a little bit darker when it's coming
Speaker 2: from deep wounds.
Speaker 1: It ain't light red.
Speaker 2: It's a dark, dark, dark head color, nasty looking, and
Speaker 2: guts come out too, fragments of shit.
Speaker 1: It's nasty. It's goory.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, a murder seen is goory. This is a
Speaker 4: twelve year old kid in the cover with blood. What
Speaker 4: a what my daddy gonna do? Not the police? What
Speaker 4: my daddy's gonna do, not the police. So he dragged that,
Speaker 4: He dragged that dead body through the house.
Speaker 2: Imagine what kind of blood trailer is left?
Speaker 1: Well, holes next, cut right right, whatever it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bleeding is what I'm saying. Yeah, he'd take up to
Speaker 1: the backyard.
Speaker 2: He lay up back on the ground and position her
Speaker 2: feet up against the fence in an incline position, and
Speaker 2: restack the firewood over her body to hide the body.
Speaker 1: A twelve year old kid? What's inside of a twelve
Speaker 1: year old fear me and my daddy. So then he'd
Speaker 1: go in the house.
Speaker 2: And he got to clean up that blood.
Speaker 1: He got to clean up that blood. Man, Damn, damn,
Speaker 1: A twelve year old kid will send us to thirty years.
Speaker 1: So he committed that crime.
Speaker 2: In eighty seven, now eighty eight, eighty eight, eight, going
Speaker 2: on eighty nine. So then here we come in ninety one,
Speaker 2: two years later. So from eighty eight, eighty nine to
Speaker 2: ninety and other places in Houston, in Dallas, these young
Speaker 2: he didn't like them, right, and he'd be they.
Speaker 1: Killing like a gang banging is rooted in now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you got the crack arrow.
Speaker 2: So you got young kids, you know, so form so
Speaker 2: here we call, so so here we come. In ninety one,
Speaker 2: I commit my murder September eighteen, nineteen ninety one, Texas
Speaker 2: come with a new juvenile law. They don't raise the
Speaker 2: ante up now can be sentenced to forty years. So
Speaker 2: when I come along, I'm facing forty.
Speaker 6: Years of the script.
Speaker 2: When I come along, I'm facing forty years. So the
Speaker 2: only reason I didn't get forty years is because my
Speaker 2: mother was financially able to forward some of the best
Speaker 2: lawyer representation in the city of Fort Work, which was
Speaker 2: a guy by the name of Carl Mallory.
Speaker 1: And Louis Stearns.
Speaker 2: Louis Sterns eventually became Judge Louis Sterns.
Speaker 1: You know, so I had.
Speaker 2: Great when one of the best men I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: bad Terren Sam says the season a juvenile in Texas
Speaker 2: can be sentenced to four up to forty years once
Speaker 2: he committed his crime. So we were fortunate enough during
Speaker 2: that Arahomi, we had a governor by the name of
Speaker 2: Anne Richards. So here we are children in America. The
Speaker 2: laws is getting ready to change. Bill Clinton's president.
Speaker 9: They hadn't came with the nineteen ninety four Omnius Crime Bill,
Speaker 9: so we still kind of three years out from that, right,
Speaker 9: So we're just starting to set this trend that man,
Speaker 9: we got kids.
Speaker 1: That will kill you, ye, setting the tone. Yeah, were
Speaker 1: just starting to set in the tone. And so I
Speaker 1: remember I remember doing this interview by man.
Speaker 2: What was her name, Her last name was Price, Ben Price,
Speaker 2: but she was a news reporter and she wrote this.
Speaker 10: Article in October of ninety one and threw her It
Speaker 10: threw her into nationals, into a national spotlight in the media.
Speaker 1: She became a phenomenon.
Speaker 2: She wrote this article that was called children who Killed
Speaker 2: with No Remorse, And I remember her interviewing my Latin
Speaker 2: King partner and where she got the title from.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: He seemed heartless. They had already been locked up for
Speaker 2: a few for couple murders. He was a little serial killer, right.
Speaker 1: So he's the curse. He's one of the first children
Speaker 1: in Forward Texas to be sentenced to thirty years. It
Speaker 1: probably hurt every kid that came after us.
Speaker 2: And so from that, from ninety one up until now,
Speaker 2: America had begun creating laws where they would take a.
Speaker 1: Twelve year old or thirteen year old, a fourteen year old.
Speaker 2: Kid in some states and give them juvenile life with
Speaker 2: our parole Florida.
Speaker 1: Being one of them, California and one of them.
Speaker 2: So, man, we started seeing children at fourteen years old
Speaker 2: get life in prison in never coming home at fourteen.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a little much.
Speaker 2: Man. You know what I'm saying, Well, up until twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: and I'll get us there. But up until twenty sixteen, man,
Speaker 2: it was a Miller versus Ground ruling or the Supreme
Speaker 2: Court ruled that it was unconstitutional to do that.
Speaker 1: But think about this, at the.
Speaker 2: Time when they decided to give this Homer you told
Speaker 2: about a young to kill four five people.
Speaker 1: That know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So I see that's where it gets slippery at because
Speaker 8: some gotta be done. But then what needs to be
Speaker 8: done that it kind of got to meet in the
Speaker 8: middle because some gotta be done about some shit like that.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Well, America acted out of fear and
Speaker 2: out of ignorance.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 2: Now there's a campaign amongst policymakers bop artisanship or both
Speaker 2: Democrats and Republicans they're saying shit like, oh, we need
Speaker 2: to be smart on crime rather than tough on crime
Speaker 2: at first when we need to get tough, because we
Speaker 2: didn't have the knowledge and we didn't have the data
Speaker 2: that we had now or back in nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 2: we didn't have the brain information to say that kids
Speaker 2: don't have brain development.
Speaker 1: The human brain don't develop until around twenty five, right, right.
Speaker 1: The insurance companies had that information. That's why your insurance
Speaker 1: rates don't go down to after twenty five.
Speaker 2: But we didn't apply that knowledge when dealing with children.
Speaker 2: These are these are human beings with partially developed brains.
Speaker 1: When you kid, why you do that? And they say, oh, no, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Because the front part of your brain deals with your
Speaker 2: with your you know, your reasoning.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that's the front or
Speaker 8: corner roll yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Time goes to begin and it begins to connect. But
Speaker 1: that a kid, it's a.
Speaker 2: Big gap there, right, Oh, what's again to progress? We
Speaker 2: begin getting this information, uh, the kits and and and
Speaker 2: criminal justice experts, you know, they began applying this information.
Speaker 1: But this is the answer, homie.
Speaker 2: The answer to a kid who kills is no different
Speaker 2: to a dog who kills. When Michael Victim took all
Speaker 2: them dogs and trained them dogs how to kill, they
Speaker 2: didn't put them dogs away forever.
Speaker 1: They put them dogs in an environment where dogs go.
Speaker 1: And they gave those dogs what dogs need nurture.
Speaker 6: Right right right right right right right right.
Speaker 2: Training and and and and by them placing those dogs,
Speaker 2: they removed those dogs out of an abusive, violent, murderous
Speaker 2: environment right, placed them in a totally different environment and
Speaker 2: gave them exactly what dogs need to.
Speaker 1: Be made to be friend right right right, So they nurtured.
Speaker 2: They nurtured those dogs back into the state that they
Speaker 2: were designed to be in man's best friend instead of
Speaker 2: fighting dogs right right, right right, the same concept and
Speaker 2: you applied to dangerous murderous.
Speaker 1: Children, right, and you'll get the same exact results, right
Speaker 1: so right, And I agree with that a wholeheartedly.
Speaker 8: It's just I think, like you said back then, we
Speaker 8: really they they didn't really see that.
Speaker 1: Fine.
Speaker 8: Then a lot of times people lack compassion for what
Speaker 8: they don't understand, you know, so they just looking at
Speaker 8: them doing some shit like that and say.
Speaker 1: WHOA, my brain wouldn't even put that together.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you wasn't abused your dad and then sit on
Speaker 8: top of you smacking the shit out of you because
Speaker 8: a dish was in the market scene. So it's a
Speaker 8: different upbring in which gives different results for a young
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So so we went into an institution, Homie and and
Speaker 2: I can honestly say we had one of the better experiments.
Speaker 2: They was experimenting with these young killers. They didn't know
Speaker 2: what was gonna come of the programs and the and
Speaker 2: the and the therapy in the in the group sessions, right.
Speaker 1: You know, man.
Speaker 2: We had some of the world's best psychiatrists work, world
Speaker 2: renowned psychologists.
Speaker 1: Uh men.
Speaker 2: At one point in time, Sports Illustrated came and spent
Speaker 2: six months on campus.
Speaker 1: Man, I mean man, they was they was. We was
Speaker 1: in a real, live experimental program or that produced mastermind children.
Speaker 1: I'm the product of that. Okay, okay, okay, I was brainwashed.
Speaker 1: All of us was washing, but we was brainwashed.
Speaker 2: It was like they did a scientific experiment and placed
Speaker 2: us inside of a perfect home like growing up being
Speaker 2: the Yeah yeah, yeah, this is the result of it.
Speaker 2: When it realized what they done, they done away with
Speaker 2: that ship. It don't exist anymore. But if you want
Speaker 2: the program, it's called positive Fear Culture.
Speaker 1: Look it up.
Speaker 2: Everybody that went through what I went through, and I'm
Speaker 2: saying this in front of the State of Texas. Everybody
Speaker 2: the prison system, every last that went through what I
Speaker 2: went through through, getting state home in school, they ended
Speaker 2: up going to prison running something every day. Everybody went
Speaker 2: back to their community. Now some of them did, like
Speaker 2: the evil superheroes who take.
Speaker 1: All this shit and turn bad with it.
Speaker 2: Some of the best manipulators, gang leaders, dope dealer Street.
Speaker 2: Because of how from that experiment, I spent seven years
Speaker 2: in their homie from fourteen to twenty one, learning how
Speaker 2: to separate my thoughts from my feelings, learning what a
Speaker 2: thinking era is, learning or being able to identify my
Speaker 2: childhood life story, the trauma, processing of trauma, dealing with
Speaker 2: the trauma we did. It's psychotherapy drama where we reenacted
Speaker 2: our murderous crimes, where we had to play the and
Speaker 2: we had to play the part that might take two weeks.
Speaker 1: Doing that, right, they created a monster, but in a
Speaker 1: good way.
Speaker 2: Real So when I got out in twenty one, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, brain developed maturity, beginning.
Speaker 1: To play a part. My first four years, I spent
Speaker 1: down there gang banging homie.
Speaker 2: You know when I got down there, uh and got
Speaker 2: exposed to the gang culture up close and personal.
Speaker 1: She you know, I joined roll in sixties neighborhood crips.
Speaker 2: She Uh. I found my father in the in the game,
Speaker 2: through the through the big homies in and I became
Speaker 2: an elite gang member.
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, I excelled at that ship. Uh.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I worked my way through the hierarchy and and you know,
Speaker 2: within two to three years or I was the little
Speaker 2: run and ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was the big dog. Yeah I'm talking about
Speaker 1: I was the big dog with monks, A big dog.
Speaker 1: You know. I grew up around grown folks and I'm
Speaker 1: a natural homie.
Speaker 2: So uh, I became legendary uh in the state of
Speaker 2: Texas amongst who killed during that time or whether it's
Speaker 2: Dallas or my name Ryan Big in prison and I
Speaker 2: ain't never been to prison.
Speaker 1: So when I joined, my childhood name is Blue.
Speaker 2: You know, Charleston Blue from this movie Come Back, Charleston Blue.
Speaker 2: That's what everybody in the streets knows me as it's Blue.
Speaker 2: So when I go to the institution or I earned
Speaker 2: the name see nothing. Yeah, I became a year crypt
Speaker 2: Nuh yeah, yeah, so I was. I was a god
Speaker 2: damn nut for the crypt man. So and I was
Speaker 2: just acting right. Remember I told you I know how
Speaker 2: to mimic good. So, uh So, how how I became
Speaker 2: elevated in the gang world. I understood the knowledge of power.
Speaker 2: I started seeing, uh most crypt you had to have
Speaker 2: some knowledge. If you went somewhere and you didn't have
Speaker 2: no gang knowledge.
Speaker 1: Then you really were and authentic so to have over
Speaker 1: other people. That's I learned that as a kid.
Speaker 2: So when Monster Cody or the eight Trade gangster crip
Speaker 2: out of California, when he dropped the Monster Cody book
Speaker 2: ship I read that.
Speaker 1: I spent days.
Speaker 2: I didn't talk to nobody. I spend days reading that book,
Speaker 2: writing down all the information.
Speaker 1: So I learned.
Speaker 2: I taught myself. I learned good from reading then writing. So, man,
Speaker 2: I learned all that information. Homie learned the history. Who
Speaker 2: started crips or who with Joe voting all them different names.
Speaker 2: So that's how I was able to propel myself.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit I can't having operating with that information. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And and and I know how to play damn fool good,
Speaker 2: you know, So you know I even to this day, homie,
Speaker 2: get out the penitentry. Yeah they still you know, they
Speaker 2: still respect me for what put down as a kid
Speaker 2: inside the institution.
Speaker 1: Right. So I'm a state school baby, I'm a.
Speaker 6: Station yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So it was easy for me to come out here.
Speaker 2: I joined at fifteen, I came home at twenty one.
Speaker 2: So I'm getting closer to a full developed brain. I
Speaker 2: come from a good moral fabric blood line, yeah, come
Speaker 2: from Yeah. So I come from a mother who's moral,
Speaker 2: believing in God. So I do have a conscience. So
Speaker 2: but as I'm getting older, I don't want to. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing most games were scary. I'm seeing most on games.
Speaker 2: Probably for the same reason I joined.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be accepted. I wanted to be a
Speaker 1: part of something.
Speaker 2: And if being part of something mean that I had
Speaker 2: to participate in raping somebody, then I would have participated in.
Speaker 1: The rape home or.
Speaker 2: If being being a part of something, of being accepted
Speaker 2: by the game, or mint mint shooting.
Speaker 1: A little sister who was at the park playing, I
Speaker 1: was willing to do that.
Speaker 2: On it with the lack of brain development, right right,
Speaker 2: right when I got out.
Speaker 1: Of age twenty one, nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2: I'm really innocent, I'm really pure, and I'm still youthful.
Speaker 6: Yeah, high school.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I got many experiences at that point.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know how to talk to girls. So
Speaker 2: mentally I'm fourteen nigga nineteen ninety eight. When I got home,
Speaker 2: Tommy Hill figured it was out. You know, I was
Speaker 2: still liking Dickie's.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: Then I'm struggling with the fact that it ain't about
Speaker 2: being cute no more. It's about who had money. So
Speaker 2: it's a big money.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a difference.
Speaker 2: Between ninety one and ninety eight for the social aspects
Speaker 2: of dealing with your peers or trying to date girls.
Speaker 2: So all girls back then want a drug dealer scene.
Speaker 2: The working was overlooked in ninety eight. Then end up
Speaker 2: going no.
Speaker 11: You're gonna get it, getting up many the college boy.
Speaker 2: College boy can't get no. You got to sell a
Speaker 2: dope to get in college. So everybody was willing to
Speaker 2: sacrifice and throw away their life on it in order
Speaker 2: to remember. He who controlled images controlled mine. The dough
Speaker 2: boy image was everything, So I get out of them.
Speaker 8: It was legitimate, legitimately being millionaires and shit in the
Speaker 8: eighties and not when the dope shit first hit.
Speaker 1: I know in Nashville anyway, my uncle's in.
Speaker 8: Was able to ride around with three and four bricks
Speaker 8: in the trunk with the scale of the like now
Speaker 8: it ain't.
Speaker 1: The police didn't even with them. They ride through the project.
Speaker 8: You speak to the police, you got a brick in
Speaker 8: the trunk, brick on your left, you know.
Speaker 2: So it was a little different Economically, it made logical, sister,
Speaker 2: say a dope what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So, man, it made logical sense if you do, because
Speaker 1: the reward it made lot sense. Yeah, we just didn't
Speaker 1: understand the consequences. We didn't put your way forever exactly,
Speaker 1: and we didn't know what to do with the money.
Speaker 2: So in that logical sense for to look over here
Speaker 2: and say, man, I ain't going to work that I'm
Speaker 2: selling dope because rich overnight.
Speaker 1: Now you can't do that. So it don't make logical sense.
Speaker 1: It's dead.
Speaker 2: So when I got out in ninety eight, I tried
Speaker 2: to work. But everybody selling dope, even the working yeah,
Speaker 2: even the squat yeah, even was sitting.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Mister p with men mm man crack like this get
Speaker 2: old Doe, get get gattold doe and told and taught.
Speaker 1: Man put the recipe on the songs. Remember, the song
Speaker 1: is the fuel for the conditions, the situation.
Speaker 2: That good game, boy, so he done fueled our whole
Speaker 2: generation and our whole.
Speaker 1: Course with moving dope music.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at rape, I'm looking at kid. Now we're
Speaker 2: talking about raping. I kicked in the door his main.
Speaker 8: Honey, honey, she said, right did.
Speaker 1: I'm a kid. Now They're fueling us for this shit.
Speaker 6: The kid.
Speaker 2: So, so when I get out in ninety eight, she
Speaker 2: niggas got ghetto dope at what I want. But I'm
Speaker 2: trying to find an identity, homie. I went in the
Speaker 2: institution at fourteen with no identity. When I was in
Speaker 2: an institution, I joined the game for identity.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: So finally when I got out of when I left
Speaker 1: my mama house.
Speaker 2: My first identity I gave myself was to be a cryp.
Speaker 2: So now this as a kid. So when I come home.
Speaker 1: At three one as an ad door, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be a crypt no more. But I'm still a crypt.
Speaker 2: I want a new identity, right, I'm for to go
Speaker 2: to oh boy drug dealer.
Speaker 6: Right, right, right right, right right, So.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know, I could sell dope.
Speaker 2: But I didn't grow up poor, so I didn't know
Speaker 2: how to value the money and management.
Speaker 6: Right right right.
Speaker 1: I had tub with the money.
Speaker 2: So I went from dough Bourn to jack Bourne. Now
Speaker 2: I'm running with Now I'm running with the daw were
Speaker 2: Now we're jack My West Dallas.
Speaker 1: Then they got the bricks.
Speaker 2: So when I'm running with Tea, I'm trying to find
Speaker 2: an identity home me yes, about my twenties. I'm hanging
Speaker 2: with Tea. So at one point we did I'm moving dope.
Speaker 2: At one point I'm trafficking weed to Arkansas.
Speaker 1: I'm the weed man. Right point, Oh, I'm Jack right,
Speaker 1: I'm working trying to find a groove. Yeah. Then next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, man, I'm really a pimp. And when i'm
Speaker 1: stepping the pipping, that's what I hold on to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't put no hyphen I don't put no slash
Speaker 2: behind my a.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: A month there, A month there?
Speaker 1: It look from about? Does it look like love?
Speaker 3: It look from about? Does it look like love?
Speaker 1: A month? Dare a month there