WEBVTT - Feat Charleston White Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, man, shoot that month fall and my dream

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<v Speaker 1>was to be a killer. They shoot the victim.

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<v Speaker 2>When we shot them in the chest. Three point fifty

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<v Speaker 2>seven blue Chip Hollow Park. They thought I was a monster.

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<v Speaker 1>Went out for my girl. In a minute, I run

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<v Speaker 1>away from home. I got my mama caught in pound.

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<v Speaker 1>She went out of town to the hard racing. My

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<v Speaker 1>grandmama at.

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<v Speaker 2>The have half bad babysittings, going to recovering of phase

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<v Speaker 2>book still relapsed.

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<v Speaker 3>Charleston Whites born in the year nineteen seventy is a

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<v Speaker 3>US based content creator, YouTuber, motivational speaker, and all around

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<v Speaker 3>social media influencer. Charleston was well known for his amazing

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<v Speaker 3>YouTube videos.

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<v Speaker 2>We stole the bulletproof vest, We stole the gun. He

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<v Speaker 2>stabbed his best friend's next to a neighbor. He stabbed

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<v Speaker 2>a ninety three times.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's no such thing as a cold hearted child.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no such thing as a child porn bad. No

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<v Speaker 1>child is born bad.

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<v Speaker 3>He constantly posted on his popular YouTube channel with over

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred thousand followers.

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<v Speaker 1>So he holed a gun up and point the gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I'll tell the man give us back the keys.

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<v Speaker 2>So he throw the keys now By this time all

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<v Speaker 2>was out the car, so he throw the keys to

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<v Speaker 2>the car owner. He get in the car. I turned around,

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<v Speaker 2>get in the car. Then I turned back and look,

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<v Speaker 2>come on.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, shoot that month file man. He hit it a

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<v Speaker 4>murder seeing his glory. This is a twelve of your

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<v Speaker 4>old kid, and there come up with blood.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing molten games were scary, or I'm seeing molten games.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably for the same reason I joined. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be accepted. I wanted to be a part of something.

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<v Speaker 1>And if being part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of something mean that I had to participate in and somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>then I would have participated.

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<v Speaker 5>In bringing this looks so easy? Are your other podcast

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<v Speaker 5>can tease me?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Making this looks so easy? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Lord Jo Roads bunged up the craze before a

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<v Speaker 5>million dollars port the game had his face before drink

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<v Speaker 5>Champs poured it up on the floor. We were the

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<v Speaker 5>ones knocking down on the door. Were clean in the voice,

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<v Speaker 5>but their actions don't map. Some podcasters fumble and lose

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<v Speaker 5>their own catch. We keep the one hundred relieve in

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<v Speaker 5>the pack while others play chess. We stay on track

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<v Speaker 5>to the place where the culture is hot, where the

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<v Speaker 5>realness is where.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've gotten this spired from the grind to the rible,

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<v Speaker 1>carved on the throne, with looming on the mic, and

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<v Speaker 1>never alone till.

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<v Speaker 5>Then happen every week we thrive where the culture means

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<v Speaker 5>the hustle.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a whole new five.

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<v Speaker 5>No dam, it's no game, it's just truth on the dome.

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<v Speaker 5>It's up there podcast the culture's home.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a listen to me, and I'm for the

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<v Speaker 2>blow y'all away with this. I've had an idle mind

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<v Speaker 2>from the time I was born till I was twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>Your mind I didn't take. Yeah, yeah, so had my

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<v Speaker 2>mind from from my from my infancy to my adolescent

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm most impressionable.

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<v Speaker 1>Mh. They thought I was a monster.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, yeah, I snatched.

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<v Speaker 1>I snatched your grandmama period and break our nose and

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<v Speaker 1>let it go, man.

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<v Speaker 2>I white girl in a minute, still white girl walking

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<v Speaker 2>down the street at night time in the alcohol and

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<v Speaker 2>somebody front yard.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to take up listening to that ship man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're supposed to do to white people?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah yeah, listening to listening, sitting in the house listening

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<v Speaker 7>to them old racist as the mom and the people

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<v Speaker 7>have mama over with because we gotta we need a baking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that grandmama listening to them old foolish.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah yeah yeah yeah, operating with no information. They don't

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<v Speaker 8>know much or nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, man, they ain't even got no being in talking

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<v Speaker 2>like this around it with this food to say, revenue

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<v Speaker 2>and talk. So what I take to it. All I

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<v Speaker 2>know is to hurt white people. A white girl put

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<v Speaker 2>cracking or get a drunk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one train on black girl.

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<v Speaker 2>We learned to trains from listening to our two line crew.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we want some pussy. You didn't know noboudy So

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<v Speaker 1>when girl to we heard that shit right right. So

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<v Speaker 1>all the.

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<v Speaker 2>Information is not because someone sitting me down directly and

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<v Speaker 2>teaching me and training me. I'm indirectly learning shit from

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<v Speaker 2>what I hear and what I.

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<v Speaker 8>Got access to exactly, show Man, when I taught that mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Case on me at fourteen September eighteen, nineteen ninety one,

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<v Speaker 2>I had ran away from home. I took my nigga's

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<v Speaker 2>name on the crime spree. We broke into my girlfriend's house.

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<v Speaker 8>Being the leader again, having the information again, being able

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<v Speaker 8>to apply again, you know, like you say, then around

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<v Speaker 8>them the older people, you a little more advanced than

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<v Speaker 8>the brothers. You see what I'm saying. Oh, well, continue,

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<v Speaker 8>I run away from home.

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<v Speaker 1>I got my mama call in pounding. She went out

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<v Speaker 1>of town to the heart racing my grandmama at the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh half fat babysitting still you know, you know, going

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<v Speaker 2>through her recovering phase, but still relapsing.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh she man wants to go bringing in their sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>Nigga, you can raise the mattress up and get the

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<v Speaker 2>keys from up under that we already know.

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<v Speaker 1>Brand and go put under the mattress ship. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>steal mama call and go pick up my homeboy. We

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<v Speaker 1>go get your mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Little girls just go sneak out. We go go snatch purses,

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<v Speaker 2>Uh do bill runs and do all kinds of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Mama call, Uh so take it back in morning. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>So I had done that one night. Man got mama

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<v Speaker 2>call and pounded. Mamaa come back and go poot my mask.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was still scared of Mama. I just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>give a damn about their masks, Mama's disappointment, Mama's disappointment. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>At times, man seemed can be worse than ass whooping yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, because.

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<v Speaker 8>You get a slick enough, man, you get slick enough

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<v Speaker 8>to fake like the whooping hurt oh ship that shit

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<v Speaker 8>ain't it ain't moving the needle.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you say, when.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And away from home or at home, man, my mother

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<v Speaker 2>could have would not have imagined I was out doing

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of ship. So away from home, I'm all

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<v Speaker 2>these characters in my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all these characters that I done created.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, So I'm all these characters only based

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<v Speaker 2>on the lyrics.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. And I've created these characters in my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this is what I act like away from home, man,

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<v Speaker 2>And and and on the surface, uh, you were thinking

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<v Speaker 2>it was a cold hearted child. And and and there's

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<v Speaker 2>no such thing as a cold hearted child. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>such thing as a child born bad. No child is

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<v Speaker 2>going bad. Right, So when I run away from home, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm i'm I'm I'm doing everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, my age is setting dope.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh you know that was the thing to do, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but we were mostly you know, getting the dope, the

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<v Speaker 2>trick with the dope things, you know, right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Miss Frill, you know, Big Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me one hundred and twenty five hours worth the

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<v Speaker 1>dome and ship. I tricked all one hundred thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>With mesking she is because she's sneaking and hid so

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<v Speaker 2>so setting dope what never.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I could never grasp that because I was

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<v Speaker 1>never poor.

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<v Speaker 2>So crime so for most young children, uh and mostly

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<v Speaker 2>kids that's not doing this to eat, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>the thrill of crime situation. Yeah yeah, that thrill man,

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<v Speaker 2>of of of being in trouble homie. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>all it was, man, the rush that I got from

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<v Speaker 2>snatching first. It wasn't never about no money, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So one day man, you know, uh, we decided to

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<v Speaker 2>go to we I decide.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, let's go to tomorrow. It's still started jackets. Yeah yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go still some started jacket man. We just

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<v Speaker 1>go grab some and run out up.

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<v Speaker 8>In the too, keep up in the anty. First you

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<v Speaker 8>go from we just found a big sure he found it.

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<v Speaker 8>Now I'm in the stove and run out with some

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<v Speaker 8>starter jacket man.

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<v Speaker 1>Robbing after we talked about robbing after that. So what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we break it to my girlfriend dad's house, we

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<v Speaker 2>break it to my girlfriend house. Man, her dad was

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<v Speaker 2>my dad was a Dallas police officer. Or I lived

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<v Speaker 2>in a good neighborhood. Man her dad was a Dallas

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<v Speaker 2>police officer. They was a real good family. We stole

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<v Speaker 2>we stole the bulletproof vest, we stole the gun. So

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<v Speaker 2>after that, or we go to we go to money

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<v Speaker 2>for the brother or Mike Neim Mike pawing everything forward

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<v Speaker 2>when we leave Mikenim.

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<v Speaker 1>Now all of us got some money when we pawn everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So I say, man, let's go to the mall because

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<v Speaker 2>you know we're going to teas which was a little

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<v Speaker 2>tay club and Friday, and this was Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, let's go run after mall with some jackets. So boom,

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<v Speaker 1>mother two partners. They didn't want to do it. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me say, man, drop us out, man, come back and

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<v Speaker 1>get us later.

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<v Speaker 2>So I say, man, I'm on, I'm so anxious, homie,

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<v Speaker 2>cause I don't run away from home.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I'm just after wire, trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>something done. Yeah, being wild home. I ain't got my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm stupid. So I say, man, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go about the Narcis house and let's see get

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<v Speaker 2>the Narcis to drive the car. So we went bout

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<v Speaker 2>the narca's house and he would cutting my partner to

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<v Speaker 2>warn have with her. So I tell him to spill

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<v Speaker 2>what we gonna do. Say, yeah, come back, let us

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<v Speaker 2>cut to warn her, let me finish, cut to one

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<v Speaker 2>on her and.

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<v Speaker 1>Come back and get us. I don't want to wait,

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<v Speaker 1>so I leave. Man, come on, man, so man, let's

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<v Speaker 1>go back over here and see if torn and ready.

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<v Speaker 2>So I go get torn, big torn over there. Say, man,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, y'all, let's go do this. So I come

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<v Speaker 2>up with the playing This is my idea. We go

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<v Speaker 2>go in there, ride the jackets and run. So we

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<v Speaker 2>go to the mall it's mid day, or we go

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<v Speaker 2>to the mall, or play some video games, going foot locker,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, it was on shift and just looked like

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<v Speaker 2>he could run fast. We ain't know if the run

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<v Speaker 2>fair or not. Just look like, oh man, we ain't

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do it, or we'll we'll wait. So we go

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<v Speaker 2>play video games again for about an hour or two,

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<v Speaker 2>and god damn it.

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<v Speaker 1>We go back.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a different shift now it's a white boy now

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<v Speaker 2>with a broll. We in here trying on hats, trying

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<v Speaker 2>on jackets, and to us, we don't think we look

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<v Speaker 2>suspicious the.

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<v Speaker 1>Middle of the day. We all kids, it's the mid

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<v Speaker 1>of the month.

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<v Speaker 2>Date were grabbing jackets costs one hundred something dollars, like

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<v Speaker 2>we can this body and ship man and we got

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<v Speaker 2>two three hats big. We already know the plan was, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>go to the back man break before we supposed to break.

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<v Speaker 2>So we all got the break.

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<v Speaker 1>God, dammit, lower and behold the white boy. Don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>He runs just as fast as we thought that.

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<v Speaker 1>He just looks slow. Say well, he's a white boy.

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<v Speaker 1>You you get over on them?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you think.

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<v Speaker 8>I get out of here and.

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<v Speaker 1>Say listen, listening, listening to the listening to the wrong people.

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<v Speaker 2>Listening to your culture, listening to the around here. I

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<v Speaker 2>grew up thinking white boys was weak, mescans were weak.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought everybody was weak.

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<v Speaker 1>Man white men.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know until you get in jail. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>white boy, whoop you, it's a misskan that. So you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know this weak until you go to jail. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't get exposed and.

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<v Speaker 1>The game be on a hunter. Yeah, it's some of

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<v Speaker 1>the best wolfing ever made. Boy, because you can talk

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<v Speaker 1>loud and you got your bible, so listen. So to

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<v Speaker 1>see the white boy in there, pomat me. Think the

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<v Speaker 1>white boy slow because he white man. That white boy

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<v Speaker 1>could run.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we run out homie, when we run out man,

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<v Speaker 2>we get to the car, when one of the drop

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<v Speaker 2>his hat a summer he got to run around the

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<v Speaker 2>car a victim or was a was a white man

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<v Speaker 2>by the name of Michael Lee Or.

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<v Speaker 1>He had just got married three days prior to that.

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<v Speaker 1>So he in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank his car broke down or something. So he had

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<v Speaker 2>a parking lot working on his car, and he see

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on this broad daylight. When we get to

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<v Speaker 2>the car, I jumped in the back seat with the gun.

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<v Speaker 8>So y'all got the jackets by this point, y'all trying

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<v Speaker 8>to get away?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, we get in the car

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<v Speaker 2>with the jackets and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't then get in the back seat. I jump

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<v Speaker 1>in with the gun.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why this couldn't put the car neutral

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<v Speaker 2>or out of park or something, but he couldn't go nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>He tryed to. He missing it, that's what he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was missing neutral instead of putting it in part it

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<v Speaker 2>was old old regale.

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<v Speaker 1>Man with seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>As we got in the car, our victim or mister

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<v Speaker 2>Leey ran over a dove on top of the car

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<v Speaker 2>and he started hitting the windshield.

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<v Speaker 1>Boom, boom.

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<v Speaker 2>Ain't booking cracking the shield, but it ain't cracking. So

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<v Speaker 2>now the driver he panicking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Sam, what you doing?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Man? So now he playing like he don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>we done done. Man, I don't know what's in un done? Sir.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 9>Sir?

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<v Speaker 1>Man? What'syat? Gun? Looking at the ship? Ship going so fast?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling them the gold gold, So we ain't going over.

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<v Speaker 2>So we throw all the jackets and hats after one

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<v Speaker 2>new things and that's go make it stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. They ain't trying to They ain't trying to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>They won't justice say, man, that man reaching them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how he done it, but boy, that

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<v Speaker 1>reaching it. And turn the keys off and took the

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<v Speaker 1>keys out. Technicians. God, Now we stuck and I'm sitting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting on the gun so I can get a

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<v Speaker 1>gun shoot that man. We can't. I can't get let

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<v Speaker 1>me out.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Listen, you know I'm legal, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think big gotta let me out the back seat. So

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<v Speaker 2>I get up aft the back seat tell her, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 2>give up back to the key. He say, if y'all

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<v Speaker 2>want the keys, you have to wait for the police

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<v Speaker 2>to come here.

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<v Speaker 1>So by this time, man, I'm man shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>So the driver is getting out the driver's seat and

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<v Speaker 2>he walks around from the driver's side to the back

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<v Speaker 2>of the car to the passenger side where I'm at.

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<v Speaker 2>So he hold the gun up and point the gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I tell the man give us back the keys,

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<v Speaker 2>so he throw the keys. Now by this time all

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<v Speaker 2>of us out the car right, So he throw the

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<v Speaker 2>keys to the car owner and he get in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>I turned around get in the car. Then I turned

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<v Speaker 2>back and look, come.

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<v Speaker 1>On, man, shoot that month file man.

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<v Speaker 2>He hit it in the chest three fifty seven blue

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<v Speaker 2>chip hollow points. When the full locker man saw him

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<v Speaker 2>get out with the with the gun, he took.

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<v Speaker 6>Out a tree.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a parking lot full of people just looking or

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<v Speaker 2>unbeknownst to us, it's a girl that we go to

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<v Speaker 2>school with didn't go to school that day, and hear

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<v Speaker 2>and their mother was at the mall, so that's how

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<v Speaker 2>they identified it. So as we leave him stand over

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<v Speaker 2>and look at him get in the car. Everybody quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>We shot that, so we laughed like everybody lad, with

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<v Speaker 2>no real understanding of what we had just done. You

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<v Speaker 2>just know I got away, man, You know, man, you

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<v Speaker 2>just know you've done something and within a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>hours you'll forget as if it's you didn't stay around

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<v Speaker 2>and watch him die all you know, man, Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the movies. It goes to another scene and

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<v Speaker 2>it goes away to a kid. So we go back,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to the neighborhood, bragging about it, but we

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<v Speaker 2>line saying that some white boys tried to jump or

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<v Speaker 2>not knowing that it fit to be on the news

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<v Speaker 2>in a little bit. So then we walked down to

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<v Speaker 2>some apartments or to go trick with this dope fend

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<v Speaker 2>named Renee.

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<v Speaker 1>So Renee, we fould go to the v C all

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<v Speaker 1>take place. We foulda go get us some.

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<v Speaker 2>Naked movie and trick off all of the dope and

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<v Speaker 2>a little money not from pawning everything.

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<v Speaker 1>We feld take uh Renee, and one of and all

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<v Speaker 1>of us in love with that grown pussy and and

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<v Speaker 1>and one of us want to go to sleep with

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<v Speaker 1>her like we her boy friend. Uh you gonna get her.

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<v Speaker 1>She gonna have all the dope. This, man, is how

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<v Speaker 1>we started out sending dope as kid.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how I went went today, were going to

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<v Speaker 2>Taco Bell, so I was gonna stay back to get

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<v Speaker 2>the jump on your name. So I got the gun

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<v Speaker 2>on me. I think she went and called the police,

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<v Speaker 2>went to Taco Bell. She said, hold, I'll be back.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm go use the pay phone. So when she came

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<v Speaker 2>back in the house, she was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to get out of here. Oh, you got

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I'm a fourteen year old kid on me,

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<v Speaker 2>I look out the window.

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<v Speaker 1>It's news camera. Man, it's god, man, it's everything out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I go on her patio.

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<v Speaker 2>I had on some skied overalls with this old nylon shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>Or I take the nylon shirt, wrapped the gun up

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<v Speaker 1>and throw it on the roof. The arm sleeve of

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<v Speaker 1>the shirt hangs off the roof.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she said, man, you got to get out of here,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna tell him you in here.

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<v Speaker 1>So boom, nigger.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go out and uh as I try to sneak

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<v Speaker 2>by one of the news reporters, UH seen me.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit that camera. There ain't go, I take off running.

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<v Speaker 1>They chased me and ship nigger.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when they caught me, I had already been

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<v Speaker 2>I was on probation. Uh they when I got charged

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<v Speaker 2>with capitol murder. I had just got put on a

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<v Speaker 2>year of probation for shooting at some white people.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember I told you I had it in for white folk.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was put on a year of probation for shooting

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<v Speaker 2>at some white people. Uh like early June of that

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<v Speaker 2>of that summer. Uh, school has school has started? In

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<v Speaker 2>August I called attempted murder case that I was allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>accused of trying to run some dudes over in the

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<v Speaker 2>stolen car at this teenage club that was called Grahams.

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<v Speaker 2>After a shootout, they locked me up and then the

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<v Speaker 2>judge released me. Uh so I can start my start

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<v Speaker 2>my school year. And then two weeks later I came

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<v Speaker 2>back for capitol whatever. Uh it was front page paper

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<v Speaker 2>headline news we killed the white men.

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<v Speaker 8>Because I know you said back then they wouldn't charge

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<v Speaker 8>kids with with capital murder?

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<v Speaker 1>What was the situation back then? They did? Homy See

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<v Speaker 1>it started in California.

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<v Speaker 2>Homy seventy two, seventy three children in California began killing

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<v Speaker 2>prior to that, there's no real record. There's isolated incidents,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no massive amount of children who became murderers.

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<v Speaker 2>That didn't come about into seventy two seventy three due

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<v Speaker 2>to the crypt Bloods.

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<v Speaker 1>So they set the.

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<v Speaker 2>Tone of juvenile delinquency, of juvenile crime, juvenile punishment in America.

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<v Speaker 2>It was isolated only in California and then somewhat in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>but more so in California.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I caught my murder case.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is outside of California, we became the first

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<v Speaker 2>generation of children in the United States of America who

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<v Speaker 2>began to be charged, who began committing crimes such as

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<v Speaker 2>capital murder and running when that.

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<v Speaker 1>Rapper right, So we're the first generation. That's when you

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<v Speaker 1>hear the term super predator from Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because we.

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<v Speaker 2>Became the first children to start killing Robin Karjack and

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<v Speaker 2>raping Toms and killing.

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<v Speaker 1>Society had never saw that before.

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<v Speaker 2>So when they came out and said that we have

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<v Speaker 2>ah children who are super predators.

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<v Speaker 1>In the description of super predators, can you imagine a

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen year old looking like Lebron James.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what that's We were the first generation. They could

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<v Speaker 2>play in the NBA at eighteen years old.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, developed that.

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<v Speaker 1>You see what I'm saying. So we became.

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<v Speaker 2>They knew what they was giving us in our foods,

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<v Speaker 2>they knew what McDonald's, so they knew that our body structures,

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<v Speaker 2>we would be bigger, we would be faster.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we start breaking records, running and shit.

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, what they mean by.

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<v Speaker 2>Super predators because we was gonna have all of these

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<v Speaker 2>traits and characteristics to be able to outrun the police,

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<v Speaker 2>to be killed people at one time with our ball

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<v Speaker 2>hands because we so and we're gonna from criminals.

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<v Speaker 1>They knew that, right, So I fell then.

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<v Speaker 8>Also, if you look at it, like look at what

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<v Speaker 8>you were doing at fourteen, imagine that twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Four a decade a thug and what would he be

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<v Speaker 1>doing at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know time, Say, homie, we were living, we were raping.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't know we were raping. Yeah, we didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what it was. The culture, homie.

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<v Speaker 2>We would we snatched parishes and and from old women.

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<v Speaker 1>Nigga, we shout up old women houses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we'll we'll kill your grandmama for this crip ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, no nomber so oh, we was children who

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<v Speaker 1>lacked consciousness.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a mall compass, right, meaning we had no morality.

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<v Speaker 6>Right right, right right?

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<v Speaker 1>And so when they so we're the first generations, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so here we come with the murders in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the late eighties, early nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>They were children.

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<v Speaker 2>So society, this big shock wave of fear is sent

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<v Speaker 2>through America. We have to get tougher on juvenile crime,

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.920
<v Speaker 2>we have to get tougher on children's So that's when

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<v Speaker 2>the trend of America say, okay, mass incarceration. Oh, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna take fourteen year olds and try to.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>So society no longer had compassion for trouble ute because

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<v Speaker 2>of us, because we start the seriousness in the heineus

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<v Speaker 2>of our crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>So in reality, Homie, we really were. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>super predator.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we all were.

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<v Speaker 1>We rolled around, We.

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<v Speaker 2>Woke up hunting niggas kill them. We rode through neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 2>looking for certain things.

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<v Speaker 1>We men.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were super predators. Yeah, and we wasn't doing

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<v Speaker 2>it for money. These wasn't economic crime, n.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. So I went into an institution for us, specifically.

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<v Speaker 2>To Texas the nineties, eras of incarceration was more rehabilitative, right,

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.679
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a system of punishment.

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<v Speaker 1>Right to commit a murder and get two years.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, I'm saying for my generation, niggas had two

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<v Speaker 2>years for murder, right, had two years.

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<v Speaker 1>On the murder.

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<v Speaker 2>There was guys who had forty years, right and went

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<v Speaker 2>home in five years four years.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember my uncle im.

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<v Speaker 8>Telling me, man, they used to get paid the sheriff

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<v Speaker 8>and all kind of shit to get out of murders

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<v Speaker 8>and ship back in the day when no computers or

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<v Speaker 8>none of that kind of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind we talked about children. Your children have.

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<v Speaker 2>Children have never been able once they get into custody.

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<v Speaker 2>So what they did with us, society had never saw

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.119
<v Speaker 2>children who would commit murder before us. We are the

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<v Speaker 2>first kids that begin. We got to build an institution

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<v Speaker 2>of locked children up for.

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<v Speaker 6>Murderers, right right, right right.

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<v Speaker 1>Man in America, we're just talking.

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<v Speaker 2>Out to man, were just coming out not too long ago,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Crow in.

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<v Speaker 8>The civil rights trouble, right right right right now, they're

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<v Speaker 8>starting to kill.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you got twelve year olds that's stabbing their next

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:38.440
<v Speaker 2>door neighbors. You got thirteen year old kicking in door,

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 2>raping seventy eight year old women.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, old burning up with cigarettes.

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Hitting in the head with a hammer, shooting her then

0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>is setting on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Nigga. You got kids cutting off people earls, Nigga.

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<v Speaker 2>You got kids going in, killing the mama, killing the brother,

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<v Speaker 2>killing the little sister, and taking the girlfriend off.

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<v Speaker 1>You got kids committing these caps in eighty eight, eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>So the court system is seeing this, the police is

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this, the lawmakers are hearing about these crimes, right, say, homie,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know our city, Homie, I didn't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know kids killed like.

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<v Speaker 2>This until I went into an institution and there was

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<v Speaker 2>four hundred more than kids.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>O full roommate killed this mom and his daddy and

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<v Speaker 2>his and his pen pound was Charles Manson. Man, I'm

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 2>win in that institution, man, hey, man, So society seeing

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<v Speaker 2>these type of crimes, homie, Now we saying, man, they

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<v Speaker 2>roll Hey homie, man, I know I know some horrible

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:51.280
<v Speaker 2>crimes from kids committed. Yeah, and most of us wanted

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<v Speaker 2>our hearts to be cold. I wanted I wanted a

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 2>cold heart homy. My desire and my dreams was to

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<v Speaker 2>be a killer based off the information I was said,

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I saw right.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't an abused kid.

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.199
<v Speaker 2>My mama didn't beat on me. I wasn't molested. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have that post traumatic stress that a fuel anger

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 2>from pain. I just see on lord from a father.

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I ain't never had a man around home, So I

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 2>felt unloved by my daddy, and that hurt made me

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>gravitate to others who was hurting in pain, and by

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 2>us all gravitating and bonding together out of hurt, pain, dysfunction, neglect,

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 2>and rejection, we all became delinquent.

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 1>So we all learned bad thing from one another.

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 2>We wasn't encouraging each other to join the debate team.

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 2>We wasn't thurging each other to stay on the football team.

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 1>With football, we woulda go breaking the house to go

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<v Speaker 1>to practice today.

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<v Speaker 8>So when you caught when you caught the murder, they

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<v Speaker 8>decided at that point of time, around that time, they

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<v Speaker 8>decided to start trying trying keep.

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<v Speaker 1>Is as an adults. How many years or what?

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<v Speaker 2>What was the sentic in what was the Guy eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>Texas created a law called the Texas Juvenile Determined Sentencing Law,

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.880
<v Speaker 2>and that law says that if a kid commit a

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<v Speaker 2>felony mainly murdered capital murder, rape, arson, kidnapping, and chad molestation,

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<v Speaker 2>you could be sentenced an attempted capital murder. You can

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<v Speaker 2>be sentenced anywhere from two to thirty years.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, you can only be tried as a trio He

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<v Speaker 8>is God damn yeah so so so from.

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<v Speaker 2>A so from age twelve. So from age twelve to

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty one, you could be sentenced anywhere from two to

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years. If you committed it after seventeen, chances are

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<v Speaker 2>you going You're going to the county jail because that's

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>what age you go to the county. But juvenile jisdiction

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<v Speaker 2>remained up until you was twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in my day.

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<v Speaker 2>So then I had a buddy by the name of

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<v Speaker 2>Terrence Sampson. He could minute one of the most heinous

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<v Speaker 2>volume times in the history of this state. He stablished

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<v Speaker 2>his best friend, his next door neighbor. He stablished ninety

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<v Speaker 2>three times inside his house.

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<v Speaker 6>Good ju He was.

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<v Speaker 1>At twelve years old. At twelve years old, he established

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three times.

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<v Speaker 8>You know what, and now I need I need the

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<v Speaker 8>people watching the even understand what.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta go through the stab it once, so to

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>keep stabbing him. Now, you gotta have some anger and

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<v Speaker 1>shit built up.

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<v Speaker 8>You gotta have some that just fueling, like like we

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 8>were speaking about something fueling that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>What's inside of a twelve year old child? Man? What's

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>inside of a twelve year old baby that'll make him

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<v Speaker 1>trick his friend and the coming over to his house

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 1>cat so he can kill him? Is that a monster?

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<v Speaker 1>It ain't no monster than a kid. Damn.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me stopping I'm on Paul for a minute

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 2>and let me paint this picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Terry Sampson was a good Wasn't nothing like us

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<v Speaker 1>been trying to gang bang.

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 2>He was the only child, and because his parents was

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<v Speaker 2>well to do, they moved out of the ghetto and

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<v Speaker 2>they moved into an upper class, middle class neighborhood in

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<v Speaker 2>the mid eighties, like my mother did, looking for a

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<v Speaker 2>better life, because all black people were doing that.

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>We was making it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of poverty as a race man, right, So we moved

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 2>into these neighborhoods and we moved next door to white people.

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 2>But Terrence then lived out in Round Rock, Man and

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a lot of black people. They were still

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<v Speaker 2>kind of races out there, so he was still kind

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<v Speaker 2>of by hisself isolated as a kid who was the

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<v Speaker 2>only child. He had a white next door neighbor, man

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Kelly Kelly Brumlow.

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<v Speaker 1>They were best friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Could play basketball Alan Overson before Alan Overson even.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it sent to us right right? That was a

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<v Speaker 1>genius homie.

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 2>That neigh or so high on the SATs and the

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>acts in the juvenile system. The college courses didn't have

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 2>no one fight down there, but they said he was

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<v Speaker 2>a violent, vicious monster at twelve years old. Yeah, so

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 2>one day, right, so at nighttime, Terrence used to sneak

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>in his mama and daddy's room and get the gun

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 2>after dresser and stand over his mom and daddy with

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 2>the gun because he really wanted to kill his mom

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 2>and daddy.

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Remember I told you I I grew.

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Up with children who killed their mothers in their fat

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, you know how many kids think about killing

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 2>their mama because she beat him so bad? You know

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 2>how many kids think about killing their mama. Caulse she

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 2>letting that keep molesting him, and she know mama might

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 2>have an idea. They get molested, but mama playing like.

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 2>You know how many kids think about killing their mom

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 2>and they daddy.

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the mom and daddy don't know it right.

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 2>So Terrees used to go in there, man, but he

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 2>never had the courage to do it.

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Terre' daddy used to beat him.

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<v Speaker 2>Daddy used to punch on him, yeah, and knock him

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>and knock him out and then get on top of

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>him laid on the ground, waking back up with punches

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 2>choking it.

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<v Speaker 1>Why you lot of me, boy? Why you lot to

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 1>me boy? Why you lot of me boy? Yeah?

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Baby boy, baby set up until his mama going down,

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>and the boy, the boy terrified of his daddy. If

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 2>the boy leave a dish in or scene, you gonna

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 2>get your ass pounded.

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Come on, you know how we do our kids?

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 6>Someone up the beat Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So so Terrence be scared to leave them dishes in

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>there sometimes, so he put them up under the bed.

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>He used to put him up under the bed. One

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>day Daddy found him old dirty dishes up under the bed. Boy.

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>You know what you gonna get, don't you?

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine a person that get tortured and get

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>beat all the time. And the anticipation, yeah, anticipating when mama,

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>when Mama say I'm gonna whoop your ass, and you

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 2>got to wait all day for an ass whooping you.

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 2>The anticipation is a psychological torre.

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, hell yeah.

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 2>So you find them up under the bed, say, boy,

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>you go get it. That little boy thinking about man,

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 2>what's going happening? And he loved playing basketball, so we

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 2>went outside and he played basketball with Kelly.

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>They played for a little bit, then all of a sudden,

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Kelly said, I need to go in the house. I

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>heard the phone ring.

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Now this is a kid that's dealing with something, the

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 2>anticipation of abuse, and it's and it's bad now, and

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 2>it's to the point where I'm thinking about killing.

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>It's so bad.

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>And I'm a kid at twelve years old, and it's

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 2>fear that I'm feeling.

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>But I'm also tired of being rejected. Yeah, I'm feeling alone,

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Kids fill alone and rejected.

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 2>And why you think beat women because they can't deal

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 2>with rejection and they learnt it.

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>They got rejected so much as a kid. If you

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>reject me, I.

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<v Speaker 8>Kill you reject me.

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 1>That's where they get that from. Yeah, so Kelly said

0:33:58.120 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 1>the phone ring.

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.239
<v Speaker 2>But this little boy that got this this darkness in

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 2>him didn't hear the phone ring.

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:11.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, she gonna reject me too. I ain't done.

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.919
<v Speaker 2>Okay, When I go in this house and I call

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 2>this house phone, they ain't have cell phone back in

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the day.

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<v Speaker 1>When you call somebody house phone, the phone was busy.

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:24.760
<v Speaker 1>He had to wait till they get off the phone.

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>You had to wait to get off the phone.

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 2>So this twelve year old kids say, I'm fit of

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 2>go in here and call her. And if that phone

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 2>is not busy, I ain't gonna kill mom and daddy.

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna kill a hawk because that's rejection.

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Rejection trigger them.

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no matter who reject you to call it trigger

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 2>those child those emotions.

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Right. So when we called killing killer asked off the phone.

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:52.399
<v Speaker 1>So he call heerse her tricker and the coming over.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon as she come over, man, he started stabbing her.

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:06.320
<v Speaker 1>And while man, you know that you got, they come again,

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>come again, getting stuck in the bone.

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 2>And the blood is keeping out. And this is your

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 2>best friends.

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 1>Saying why are you doing this? Meter Yeah, I will

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:26.919
<v Speaker 1>say nothing. That why you're doing this? And this kid

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>got Is he angry? Is he hateful? Is he a monster?

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 1>What can be inside of a twelve year old kid

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>home in the drive that fear pain, abuse? So as

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 1>he's stabbling a homie, just think it's hitting her on.

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>They counting every mark is to the police, got markets on.

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 1>So at some point she's saying, I won't tell anything.

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I won't say anything. He dropped the knife, he stopped.

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 1>You're asking me, how do I know this?

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:09.760
<v Speaker 2>As I traveled the country, I never forgot Terren Sampson

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 2>because he was a good kid.

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't mean. We were down there bullshit. All of

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>us was good kids.

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 2>But he was a little different, right, And I never

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 2>forgot his story. I got to meet his victim's mother,

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 2>or miss Brumlow.

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I got to meet her.

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.359
<v Speaker 2>When they sent Terrence to prison. I got to hear

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>her story. And so I would tell Terrren's story everywhere

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I would speak. And when I tell people that he

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 2>was a twelve year old kid who stabbed somebody ninety

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 2>three times, they would be taken aback by his story.

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 2>And he got no sympathy. And I'm telling people he

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 2>was a twelve year old kid. Even they look at

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 2>that and said no, no, man, ninety three times. So

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:53.879
<v Speaker 2>let me finish telling the story. He dropped that night

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 2>when all that was happening, and I wrote him and

0:36:57.320 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I said, man, Terrence, I mean, I'll be telling your

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 2>story home in and man, people they be taking it back. Man,

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I need to know why. And man, he wrote me

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.800
<v Speaker 2>a very detailed letter. I'm only shut it with one person,

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>and that was Barbary Sanders with the four Worth Star Telegram,

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 2>and that was to help him make parole. He wrote

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 2>me a detailed, detailed letter of his crime and his relationship.

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I used to pay attention to him when we was

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 2>locked up. Every year of the anniversary, he got sad,

0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 2>he got depressed, and it was always on the news,

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 2>even to this day. It's thirty some years later, thirty

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:40.320
<v Speaker 2>some years.

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 1>Later, still on the news.

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to speak for him while I was

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 2>out speaking on behalf of him and advocating for him.

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 2>He spent twenty nine years on a thirty year sentence

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 2>for that crime he committed at age twelve. So he

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:59.359
<v Speaker 2>wrote me the letter, and I read that letter so

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 2>I can talk about No child is boring bad. That's

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.359
<v Speaker 2>one of the worst situations I think a kid can

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 2>could be in. And I like talking about that situation

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 2>to show people that no matter what a child does,

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:12.359
<v Speaker 2>no child is boring bad.

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:13.240
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 1>So while we're paused, before I continue on with with

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:18.360
<v Speaker 1>with with this story.

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 2>While Terrence was on top of Kelly, stabbing her, I

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 2>want to let y'all know that he got on top

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 2>of her the same way his daddy got on top

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:26.879
<v Speaker 2>of him.

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Remember I told you his dad would straddle him, put

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 1>his knees on his shoulder.

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:35.919
<v Speaker 8>Shut up with Yeah, why you lie when you stabbed him?

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Why you lied him the same thing he there you go.

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Children mimic what they see and repeat what they hear.

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 2>He did the exact same things to Keilly that his

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 2>father would do to him. So at one point in time,

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:52.920
<v Speaker 2>he dropped a knife, Homie, I said, man, what'll make

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 2>you pick you back up? Not that I was afraid

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 2>of the police, he says in the letter.

0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 1>He was more afraid of.

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 2>That abusive fault and what that abusive father would do.

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:05.399
<v Speaker 2>So you know what he did.

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 1>I want to go on into jail house, man, I got.

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know nothing about where I want to go,

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 1>but I can't.

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 6>Back yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:16.319
<v Speaker 6>yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I can't let hotel you a twelve year old kid,

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 2>put Homer. We're talking about a twelve year old kid

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>with an undeveloped brain. We're trying to make logical to

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>see an undeveloped brain.

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 1>He don't know what he's thinking, you know what he's

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>driven by?

0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 6>Feer beer Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yes.

0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Why they say, don't make nobody afraid of you, man

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 2>a scary person. Now, yeah, send me by fear to

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 2>reach back down and pick that knife.

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Up and finish that back again. Kiss man, now listen,

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing this. You can't even do this ninety three times.

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>You can't want to.

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:59.840
<v Speaker 8>Tell imagine yanking it back yard and gotta.

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 1>This is a twelve year old kid, brother, So let

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>me finish painting this picture.

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.280
<v Speaker 2>The blood is a little bit darker when it's coming

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 2>from deep wounds.

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:11.640
<v Speaker 1>It ain't light red.

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a dark, dark, dark head color, nasty looking, and

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 2>guts come out too, fragments of shit.

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 1>It's nasty. It's goory.

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, a murder seen is goory. This is a

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:31.759
<v Speaker 4>twelve year old kid in the cover with blood. What

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:35.879
<v Speaker 4>a what my daddy gonna do? Not the police? What

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 4>my daddy's gonna do, not the police. So he dragged that,

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.880
<v Speaker 4>He dragged that dead body through the house.

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Imagine what kind of blood trailer is left?

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, holes next, cut right right, whatever it is. Yeah,

0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 1>bleeding is what I'm saying. Yeah, he'd take up to

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the backyard.

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 2>He lay up back on the ground and position her

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 2>feet up against the fence in an incline position, and

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:15.959
<v Speaker 2>restack the firewood over her body to hide the body.

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:19.040
<v Speaker 1>A twelve year old kid? What's inside of a twelve

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:22.759
<v Speaker 1>year old fear me and my daddy. So then he'd

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>go in the house.

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 2>And he got to clean up that blood.

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 1>He got to clean up that blood. Man, Damn, damn,

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 1>A twelve year old kid will send us to thirty years.

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 1>So he committed that crime.

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 2>In eighty seven, now eighty eight, eighty eight, eight, going

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 2>on eighty nine. So then here we come in ninety one,

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 2>two years later. So from eighty eight, eighty nine to

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:56.399
<v Speaker 2>ninety and other places in Houston, in Dallas, these young

0:41:56.560 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 2>he didn't like them, right, and he'd be they.

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:05.839
<v Speaker 1>Killing like a gang banging is rooted in now. Yeah,

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>and you got the crack arrow.

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 2>So you got young kids, you know, so form so

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 2>here we call, so so here we come. In ninety one,

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I commit my murder September eighteen, nineteen ninety one, Texas

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 2>come with a new juvenile law. They don't raise the

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>ante up now can be sentenced to forty years. So

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 2>when I come along, I'm facing forty.

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 6>Years of the script.

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 2>When I come along, I'm facing forty years. So the

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 2>only reason I didn't get forty years is because my

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:45.359
<v Speaker 2>mother was financially able to forward some of the best

0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 2>lawyer representation in the city of Fort Work, which was

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 2>a guy by the name of Carl Mallory.

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:50.840
<v Speaker 1>And Louis Stearns.

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.439
<v Speaker 2>Louis Sterns eventually became Judge Louis Sterns.

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, so I had.

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:57.839
<v Speaker 2>Great when one of the best men I'm talking about,

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:02.839
<v Speaker 2>bad Terren Sam says the season a juvenile in Texas

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:06.759
<v Speaker 2>can be sentenced to four up to forty years once

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 2>he committed his crime. So we were fortunate enough during

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 2>that Arahomi, we had a governor by the name of

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Anne Richards. So here we are children in America. The

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 2>laws is getting ready to change. Bill Clinton's president.

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 9>They hadn't came with the nineteen ninety four Omnius Crime Bill,

0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 9>so we still kind of three years out from that, right,

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.359
<v Speaker 9>So we're just starting to set this trend that man,

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 9>we got kids.

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>That will kill you, ye, setting the tone. Yeah, were

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 1>just starting to set in the tone. And so I

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:46.799
<v Speaker 1>remember I remember doing this interview by man.

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.840
<v Speaker 2>What was her name, Her last name was Price, Ben Price,

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.680
<v Speaker 2>but she was a news reporter and she wrote this.

0:43:53.760 --> 0:44:01.319
<v Speaker 10>Article in October of ninety one and threw her It

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 10>threw her into nationals, into a national spotlight in the media.

0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:07.920
<v Speaker 1>She became a phenomenon.

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 2>She wrote this article that was called children who Killed

0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:15.320
<v Speaker 2>with No Remorse, And I remember her interviewing my Latin

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.760
<v Speaker 2>King partner and where she got the title from.

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:18.439
<v Speaker 1>Man.

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:22.800
<v Speaker 2>He seemed heartless. They had already been locked up for

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.880
<v Speaker 2>a few for couple murders. He was a little serial killer, right.

0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>So he's the curse. He's one of the first children

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 1>in Forward Texas to be sentenced to thirty years. It

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 1>probably hurt every kid that came after us.

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 2>And so from that, from ninety one up until now,

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:43.479
<v Speaker 2>America had begun creating laws where they would take a.

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Twelve year old or thirteen year old, a fourteen year old.

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Kid in some states and give them juvenile life with

0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 2>our parole Florida.

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Being one of them, California and one of them.

0:44:56.080 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 2>So, man, we started seeing children at fourteen years old

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 2>get life in prison in never coming home at fourteen.

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:10.080
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's a little much.

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Man. You know what I'm saying, Well, up until twenty sixteen,

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 2>and I'll get us there. But up until twenty sixteen, man,

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:22.360
<v Speaker 2>it was a Miller versus Ground ruling or the Supreme

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Court ruled that it was unconstitutional to do that.

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:27.759
<v Speaker 1>But think about this, at the.

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:31.399
<v Speaker 2>Time when they decided to give this Homer you told

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:33.840
<v Speaker 2>about a young to kill four five people.

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>That know what I'm saying.

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 8>So I see that's where it gets slippery at because

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 8>some gotta be done. But then what needs to be

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:43.880
<v Speaker 8>done that it kind of got to meet in the

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 8>middle because some gotta be done about some shit like that.

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing, Well, America acted out of fear and

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 2>out of ignorance.

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Right now.

0:45:54.080 --> 0:46:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Now there's a campaign amongst policymakers bop artisanship or both

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:05.359
<v Speaker 2>Democrats and Republicans they're saying shit like, oh, we need

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.280
<v Speaker 2>to be smart on crime rather than tough on crime

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.799
<v Speaker 2>at first when we need to get tough, because we

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:15.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't have the knowledge and we didn't have the data

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:18.919
<v Speaker 2>that we had now or back in nineteen ninety one,

0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>we didn't have the brain information to say that kids

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 2>don't have brain development.

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:27.239
<v Speaker 1>The human brain don't develop until around twenty five, right, right.

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 1>The insurance companies had that information. That's why your insurance

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 1>rates don't go down to after twenty five.

0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 2>But we didn't apply that knowledge when dealing with children.

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 2>These are these are human beings with partially developed brains.

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:47.279
<v Speaker 1>When you kid, why you do that? And they say, oh, no, right,

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Because the front part of your brain deals with your

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:53.320
<v Speaker 2>with your you know, your reasoning.

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 8>Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that's the front or

0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:58.720
<v Speaker 8>corner roll yeah yeah yeah.

0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Time goes to begin and it begins to connect. But

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 1>that a kid, it's a.

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Big gap there, right, Oh, what's again to progress? We

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:11.799
<v Speaker 2>begin getting this information, uh, the kits and and and

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:15.600
<v Speaker 2>criminal justice experts, you know, they began applying this information.

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:18.560
<v Speaker 1>But this is the answer, homie.

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 2>The answer to a kid who kills is no different

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 2>to a dog who kills. When Michael Victim took all

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:28.879
<v Speaker 2>them dogs and trained them dogs how to kill, they

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:30.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't put them dogs away forever.

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:34.239
<v Speaker 1>They put them dogs in an environment where dogs go.

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 1>And they gave those dogs what dogs need nurture.

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 6>Right right right right right right right right.

0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Training and and and and by them placing those dogs,

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:52.160
<v Speaker 2>they removed those dogs out of an abusive, violent, murderous

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 2>environment right, placed them in a totally different environment and

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 2>gave them exactly what dogs need to.

0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Be made to be friend right right right, So they nurtured.

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:08.120
<v Speaker 2>They nurtured those dogs back into the state that they

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:11.400
<v Speaker 2>were designed to be in man's best friend instead of

0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:15.839
<v Speaker 2>fighting dogs right right, right right, the same concept and

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:18.280
<v Speaker 2>you applied to dangerous murderous.

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Children, right, and you'll get the same exact results, right

0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 1>so right, And I agree with that a wholeheartedly.

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 8>It's just I think, like you said back then, we

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:31.080
<v Speaker 8>really they they didn't really see that.

0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Fine.

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 8>Then a lot of times people lack compassion for what

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 8>they don't understand, you know, so they just looking at

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:39.279
<v Speaker 8>them doing some shit like that and say.

0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 1>WHOA, my brain wouldn't even put that together.

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you wasn't abused your dad and then sit on

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:46.640
<v Speaker 8>top of you smacking the shit out of you because

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:49.239
<v Speaker 8>a dish was in the market scene. So it's a

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 8>different upbring in which gives different results for a young

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:54.560
<v Speaker 8>you know what I'm saying.

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:58.640
<v Speaker 2>So so we went into an institution, Homie and and

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I can honestly say we had one of the better experiments.

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 2>They was experimenting with these young killers. They didn't know

0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:08.520
<v Speaker 2>what was gonna come of the programs and the and

0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the and the therapy in the in the group sessions, right.

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:12.959
<v Speaker 1>You know, man.

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:15.560
<v Speaker 2>We had some of the world's best psychiatrists work, world

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 2>renowned psychologists.

0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Uh men.

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 2>At one point in time, Sports Illustrated came and spent

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 2>six months on campus.

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:25.799
<v Speaker 1>Man, I mean man, they was they was. We was

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 1>in a real, live experimental program or that produced mastermind children.

0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm the product of that. Okay, okay, okay, I was brainwashed.

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:42.080
<v Speaker 1>All of us was washing, but we was brainwashed.

0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:46.280
<v Speaker 2>It was like they did a scientific experiment and placed

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.719
<v Speaker 2>us inside of a perfect home like growing up being

0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 2>the Yeah yeah, yeah, this is the result of it.

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 2>When it realized what they done, they done away with

0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:00.799
<v Speaker 2>that ship. It don't exist anymore. But if you want

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 2>the program, it's called positive Fear Culture.

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Look it up.

0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Everybody that went through what I went through, and I'm

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.080
<v Speaker 2>saying this in front of the State of Texas. Everybody

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the prison system, every last that went through what I

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:19.279
<v Speaker 2>went through through, getting state home in school, they ended

0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:24.040
<v Speaker 2>up going to prison running something every day. Everybody went

0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 2>back to their community. Now some of them did, like

0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the evil superheroes who take.

0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 1>All this shit and turn bad with it.

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Some of the best manipulators, gang leaders, dope dealer Street.

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Because of how from that experiment, I spent seven years

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:47.640
<v Speaker 2>in their homie from fourteen to twenty one, learning how

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:50.600
<v Speaker 2>to separate my thoughts from my feelings, learning what a

0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 2>thinking era is, learning or being able to identify my

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>childhood life story, the trauma, processing of trauma, dealing with

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:02.920
<v Speaker 2>the trauma we did. It's psychotherapy drama where we reenacted

0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 2>our murderous crimes, where we had to play the and

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:09.400
<v Speaker 2>we had to play the part that might take two weeks.

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Doing that, right, they created a monster, but in a

0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:13.600
<v Speaker 1>good way.

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Real So when I got out in twenty one, uh,

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:21.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, brain developed maturity, beginning.

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:24.239
<v Speaker 1>To play a part. My first four years, I spent

0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 1>down there gang banging homie.

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 2>You know when I got down there, uh and got

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 2>exposed to the gang culture up close and personal.

0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:34.840
<v Speaker 1>She you know, I joined roll in sixties neighborhood crips.

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:39.239
<v Speaker 2>She Uh. I found my father in the in the game,

0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 2>through the through the big homies in and I became

0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:44.320
<v Speaker 2>an elite gang member.

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Uh. Yeah, I excelled at that ship. Uh.

0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:47.399
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.040
<v Speaker 2>I worked my way through the hierarchy and and you know,

0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:53.800
<v Speaker 2>within two to three years or I was the little

0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:54.560
<v Speaker 2>run and ship.

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was the big dog. Yeah I'm talking about

0:51:58.160 --> 0:51:59.919
<v Speaker 1>I was the big dog with monks, A big dog.

0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:02.319
<v Speaker 1>You know. I grew up around grown folks and I'm

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:03.720
<v Speaker 1>a natural homie.

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:07.000
<v Speaker 2>So uh, I became legendary uh in the state of

0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Texas amongst who killed during that time or whether it's

0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Dallas or my name Ryan Big in prison and I

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:16.000
<v Speaker 2>ain't never been to prison.

0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:19.760
<v Speaker 1>So when I joined, my childhood name is Blue.

0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:22.919
<v Speaker 2>You know, Charleston Blue from this movie Come Back, Charleston Blue.

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:25.360
<v Speaker 2>That's what everybody in the streets knows me as it's Blue.

0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:28.799
<v Speaker 2>So when I go to the institution or I earned

0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:32.520
<v Speaker 2>the name see nothing. Yeah, I became a year crypt

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Nuh yeah, yeah, so I was. I was a god

0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:41.880
<v Speaker 2>damn nut for the crypt man. So and I was

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:43.879
<v Speaker 2>just acting right. Remember I told you I know how

0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:47.720
<v Speaker 2>to mimic good. So, uh So, how how I became

0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:52.440
<v Speaker 2>elevated in the gang world. I understood the knowledge of power.

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I started seeing, uh most crypt you had to have

0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 2>some knowledge. If you went somewhere and you didn't have

0:52:58.200 --> 0:52:59.359
<v Speaker 2>no gang knowledge.

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:03.319
<v Speaker 1>Then you really were and authentic so to have over

0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:06.160
<v Speaker 1>other people. That's I learned that as a kid.

0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:09.719
<v Speaker 2>So when Monster Cody or the eight Trade gangster crip

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 2>out of California, when he dropped the Monster Cody book

0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 2>ship I read that.

0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:14.479
<v Speaker 1>I spent days.

0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:17.160
<v Speaker 2>I didn't talk to nobody. I spend days reading that book,

0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:18.920
<v Speaker 2>writing down all the information.

0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:19.760
<v Speaker 1>So I learned.

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I taught myself. I learned good from reading then writing. So, man,

0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.319
<v Speaker 2>I learned all that information. Homie learned the history. Who

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:30.760
<v Speaker 2>started crips or who with Joe voting all them different names.

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.320
<v Speaker 2>So that's how I was able to propel myself.

0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm a little bit I can't having operating with that information. Yeah.

0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:41.959
<v Speaker 2>And and and I know how to play damn fool good,

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:47.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, So you know I even to this day, homie,

0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:51.560
<v Speaker 2>get out the penitentry. Yeah they still you know, they

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:54.239
<v Speaker 2>still respect me for what put down as a kid

0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:55.280
<v Speaker 2>inside the institution.

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Right. So I'm a state school baby, I'm a.

0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 6>Station yeah yeah, yeah.

0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:04.399
<v Speaker 1>So it was easy for me to come out here.

0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 2>I joined at fifteen, I came home at twenty one.

0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>So I'm getting closer to a full developed brain. I

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:19.160
<v Speaker 2>come from a good moral fabric blood line, yeah, come

0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 2>from Yeah. So I come from a mother who's moral,

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:25.719
<v Speaker 2>believing in God. So I do have a conscience. So

0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:28.239
<v Speaker 2>but as I'm getting older, I don't want to. You know,

0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:33.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing most games were scary. I'm seeing most on games.

0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Probably for the same reason I joined.

0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:39.239
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be accepted. I wanted to be a

0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:40.000
<v Speaker 1>part of something.

0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:44.279
<v Speaker 2>And if being part of something mean that I had

0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:47.960
<v Speaker 2>to participate in raping somebody, then I would have participated in.

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:49.480
<v Speaker 1>The rape home or.

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 2>If being being a part of something, of being accepted

0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:57.240
<v Speaker 2>by the game, or mint mint shooting.

0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:59.759
<v Speaker 1>A little sister who was at the park playing, I

0:54:59.880 --> 0:55:00.839
<v Speaker 1>was willing to do that.

0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:04.279
<v Speaker 2>On it with the lack of brain development, right right,

0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 2>right when I got out.

0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Of age twenty one, nineteen ninety eight.

0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm really innocent, I'm really pure, and I'm still youthful.

0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:14.520
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, high school.

0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I got many experiences at that point.

0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Now I don't know how to talk to girls. So

0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:26.120
<v Speaker 2>mentally I'm fourteen nigga nineteen ninety eight. When I got home,

0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Hill figured it was out. You know, I was

0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:30.240
<v Speaker 2>still liking Dickie's.

0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:30.799
<v Speaker 6>You know.

0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Then I'm struggling with the fact that it ain't about

0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:38.879
<v Speaker 2>being cute no more. It's about who had money. So

0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 2>it's a big money.

0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's a difference.

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Between ninety one and ninety eight for the social aspects

0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 2>of dealing with your peers or trying to date girls.

0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:51.720
<v Speaker 2>So all girls back then want a drug dealer scene.

0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:55.400
<v Speaker 2>The working was overlooked in ninety eight. Then end up

0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:56.400
<v Speaker 2>going no.

0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:07.400
<v Speaker 11>You're gonna get it, getting up many the college boy.

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:10.279
<v Speaker 2>College boy can't get no. You got to sell a

0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:14.359
<v Speaker 2>dope to get in college. So everybody was willing to

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:16.919
<v Speaker 2>sacrifice and throw away their life on it in order

0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:20.640
<v Speaker 2>to remember. He who controlled images controlled mine. The dough

0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 2>boy image was everything, So I get out of them.

0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:29.160
<v Speaker 8>It was legitimate, legitimately being millionaires and shit in the

0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:31.120
<v Speaker 8>eighties and not when the dope shit first hit.

0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I know in Nashville anyway, my uncle's in.

0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:37.640
<v Speaker 8>Was able to ride around with three and four bricks

0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:40.759
<v Speaker 8>in the trunk with the scale of the like now

0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:41.239
<v Speaker 8>it ain't.

0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:44.000
<v Speaker 1>The police didn't even with them. They ride through the project.

0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:45.840
<v Speaker 8>You speak to the police, you got a brick in

0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:47.960
<v Speaker 8>the trunk, brick on your left, you know.

0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 2>So it was a little different Economically, it made logical, sister,

0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:54.080
<v Speaker 2>say a dope what I'm saying.

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:57.240
<v Speaker 1>So, man, it made logical sense if you do, because

0:56:57.280 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the reward it made lot sense. Yeah, we just didn't

0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:06.800
<v Speaker 1>understand the consequences. We didn't put your way forever exactly,

0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and we didn't know what to do with the money.

0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:12.120
<v Speaker 2>So in that logical sense for to look over here

0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and say, man, I ain't going to work that I'm

0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:16.960
<v Speaker 2>selling dope because rich overnight.

0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Now you can't do that. So it don't make logical sense.

0:57:20.760 --> 0:57:21.240
<v Speaker 1>It's dead.

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:24.680
<v Speaker 2>So when I got out in ninety eight, I tried

0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:28.560
<v Speaker 2>to work. But everybody selling dope, even the working yeah,

0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 2>even the squat yeah, even was sitting.

0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:34.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Mister p with men mm man crack like this get

0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 2>old Doe, get get gattold doe and told and taught.

0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Man put the recipe on the songs. Remember, the song

0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 1>is the fuel for the conditions, the situation.

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:55.920
<v Speaker 2>That good game, boy, so he done fueled our whole

0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:57.640
<v Speaker 2>generation and our whole.

0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Course with moving dope music.

0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at rape, I'm looking at kid. Now we're

0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:06.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about raping. I kicked in the door his main.

0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:14.080
<v Speaker 8>Honey, honey, she said, right did.

0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm a kid. Now They're fueling us for this shit.

0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:19.080
<v Speaker 6>The kid.

0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:23.280
<v Speaker 2>So, so when I get out in ninety eight, she

0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:27.840
<v Speaker 2>niggas got ghetto dope at what I want. But I'm

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:31.400
<v Speaker 2>trying to find an identity, homie. I went in the

0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:35.520
<v Speaker 2>institution at fourteen with no identity. When I was in

0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:38.640
<v Speaker 2>an institution, I joined the game for identity.

0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:39.960
<v Speaker 6>Right.

0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:42.840
<v Speaker 1>So finally when I got out of when I left

0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:43.880
<v Speaker 1>my mama house.

0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 2>My first identity I gave myself was to be a cryp.

0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:51.200
<v Speaker 2>So now this as a kid. So when I come home.

0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:54.000
<v Speaker 1>At three one as an ad door, I don't want

0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:55.920
<v Speaker 1>to be a crypt no more. But I'm still a crypt.

0:58:56.600 --> 0:58:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I want a new identity, right, I'm for to go

0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:02.400
<v Speaker 2>to oh boy drug dealer.

0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:04.800
<v Speaker 6>Right, right, right right, right right, So.

0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't you know, I could sell dope.

0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:10.120
<v Speaker 2>But I didn't grow up poor, so I didn't know

0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:12.240
<v Speaker 2>how to value the money and management.

0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:12.600
<v Speaker 6>Right right right.

0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I had tub with the money.

0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:18.560
<v Speaker 2>So I went from dough Bourn to jack Bourne. Now

0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:21.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm running with Now I'm running with the daw were

0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Now we're jack My West Dallas.

0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Then they got the bricks.

0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:29.680
<v Speaker 2>So when I'm running with Tea, I'm trying to find

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:34.240
<v Speaker 2>an identity home me yes, about my twenties. I'm hanging

0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:37.360
<v Speaker 2>with Tea. So at one point we did I'm moving dope.

0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:40.680
<v Speaker 2>At one point I'm trafficking weed to Arkansas.

0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm the weed man. Right point, Oh, I'm Jack right,

0:59:47.800 --> 0:59:52.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm working trying to find a groove. Yeah. Then next thing,

0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:57.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, man, I'm really a pimp. And when i'm

0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:59.240
<v Speaker 1>stepping the pipping, that's what I hold on to.

1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:00.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't put no hyphen I don't put no slash

1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:03.840
<v Speaker 2>behind my a.

1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:12.400
<v Speaker 5>A month there, A month there?

1:00:17.520 --> 1:00:19.919
<v Speaker 1>It look from about? Does it look like love?

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<v Speaker 3>It look from about? Does it look like love?

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<v Speaker 1>A month? Dare a month there