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Speaker 1: Come on, man, shoot that month fall and my dream

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Speaker 2: When we shot them in the chest. Three point fifty

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Speaker 1: Went out for my girl. In a minute, I run

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Speaker 2: The have half bad babysittings, going to recovering of phase

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Speaker 3: Charleston Whites born in the year nineteen seventy is a

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Speaker 2: We stole the bulletproof vest, We stole the gun. He

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Speaker 2: stabbed his best friend's next to a neighbor. He stabbed

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Speaker 1: And there's no such thing as a cold hearted child.

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Speaker 1: There's no such thing as a child porn bad. No

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Speaker 3: He constantly posted on his popular YouTube channel with over

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Speaker 1: So he holed a gun up and point the gun.

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Speaker 1: Then I'll tell the man give us back the keys.

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Speaker 2: So he throw the keys now By this time all

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Speaker 4: Man, shoot that month file man. He hit it a

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Speaker 4: murder seeing his glory. This is a twelve of your

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing molten games were scary, or I'm seeing molten games.

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Speaker 1: Probably for the same reason I joined. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: And if being part.

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Speaker 5: In bringing this looks so easy? Are your other podcast

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Making this looks so easy? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Lord Jo Roads bunged up the craze before a

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Speaker 5: million dollars port the game had his face before drink

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Speaker 5: Champs poured it up on the floor. We were the

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Speaker 5: but their actions don't map. Some podcasters fumble and lose

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Speaker 5: their own catch. We keep the one hundred relieve in

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Speaker 5: the pack while others play chess. We stay on track

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Speaker 5: to the place where the culture is hot, where the

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Speaker 1: But we've gotten this spired from the grind to the rible,

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Speaker 5: Then happen every week we thrive where the culture means

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Speaker 5: the hustle.

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Speaker 1: It's a whole new five.

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Speaker 5: No dam, it's no game, it's just truth on the dome.

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Speaker 2: I've had a listen to me, and I'm for the

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, I snatched.

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Speaker 1: Trying to take up listening to that ship man. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, listening to listening, sitting in the house listening

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Speaker 1: Hey, we want some pussy. You didn't know noboudy So

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Speaker 8: Got access to exactly, show Man, when I taught that mother.

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Speaker 2: Little girls just go sneak out. We go go snatch purses,

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Speaker 1: You know, I could never grasp that because I was

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Speaker 2: snatching first. It wasn't never about no money, all right.

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Speaker 1: Man, let's go to tomorrow. It's still started jackets. Yeah yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: Robbing after we talked about robbing after that. So what

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Speaker 2: Before we break it to my girlfriend dad's house, we

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Speaker 1: Now all of us got some money when we pawn everything.

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Speaker 2: So I say, man, let's go to the mall because

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Speaker 1: Man, let's go run after mall with some jackets. So boom,

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Speaker 2: So I say, man, I'm on, I'm so anxious, homie,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm just after wire, trying to get

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Speaker 2: Let's go about the Narcis house and let's see get

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Speaker 2: the Narcis to drive the car. So we went bout

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Speaker 2: So I go get torn, big torn over there. Say, man,

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Speaker 2: come on, y'all, let's go do this. So I come

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Speaker 2: up with the playing This is my idea. We go

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Speaker 2: go in there, ride the jackets and run. So we

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Speaker 2: and god damn it.

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Speaker 1: We go back.

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Speaker 2: It's a different shift now it's a white boy now

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Speaker 2: with a broll. We in here trying on hats, trying

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Speaker 1: Middle of the day. We all kids, it's the mid

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Speaker 2: Listening to your culture, listening to the around here. I

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Speaker 2: grew up thinking white boys was weak, mescans were weak.

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Speaker 2: I thought everybody was weak.

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Speaker 1: Man white men.

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Speaker 2: You don't know until you get in jail. It's a

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Speaker 2: white boy, whoop you, it's a misskan that. So you

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Speaker 1: The game be on a hunter. Yeah, it's some of

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Speaker 1: the best wolfing ever made. Boy, because you can talk

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Speaker 1: loud and you got your bible, so listen. So to

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Speaker 1: see the white boy in there, pomat me. Think the

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Speaker 1: white boy slow because he white man. That white boy

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Speaker 2: So when we run out homie, when we run out man,

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Speaker 2: we get to the car, when one of the drop

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Speaker 2: his hat a summer he got to run around the

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Speaker 2: car a victim or was a was a white man

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Speaker 2: by the name of Michael Lee Or.

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Speaker 1: He had just got married three days prior to that.

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Speaker 1: So he in the car.

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Speaker 2: Thank his car broke down or something. So he had

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Speaker 2: a parking lot working on his car, and he see

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Speaker 2: what's going on this broad daylight. When we get to

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Speaker 2: the car, I jumped in the back seat with the gun.

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Speaker 8: So y'all got the jackets by this point, y'all trying

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, we get in the car

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Speaker 2: with the jackets and everything.

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Speaker 1: You don't then get in the back seat. I jump

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Speaker 1: in with the gun.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why this couldn't put the car neutral

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Speaker 2: or out of park or something, but he couldn't go nowhere.

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Speaker 1: He tryed to. He missing it, that's what he.

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Speaker 2: Was missing neutral instead of putting it in part it

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Speaker 2: was old old regale.

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Speaker 1: Man with seconds.

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Speaker 2: As we got in the car, our victim or mister

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Speaker 2: Leey ran over a dove on top of the car

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Speaker 2: and he started hitting the windshield.

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Speaker 1: Boom, boom.

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Speaker 2: Ain't booking cracking the shield, but it ain't cracking. So

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Speaker 2: now the driver he panicking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam, what you doing?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Man? So now he playing like he don't know what

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Speaker 1: we done done. Man, I don't know what's in un done? Sir.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Man? What'syat? Gun? Looking at the ship? Ship going so fast?

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Speaker 1: I'm telling them the gold gold, So we ain't going over.

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Speaker 2: So we throw all the jackets and hats after one

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Speaker 2: new things and that's go make it stop.

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Speaker 1: Man. They ain't trying to They ain't trying to leave.

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Speaker 2: They won't justice say, man, that man reaching them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how he done it, but boy, that

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Speaker 1: reaching it. And turn the keys off and took the

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Speaker 1: keys out. Technicians. God, Now we stuck and I'm sitting.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting on the gun so I can get a

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Speaker 1: gun shoot that man. We can't. I can't get let

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Speaker 2: Man, Listen, you know I'm legal, you know, and I

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Speaker 2: think big gotta let me out the back seat. So

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Speaker 2: I get up aft the back seat tell her, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: give up back to the key. He say, if y'all

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Speaker 2: want the keys, you have to wait for the police

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Speaker 2: to come here.

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Speaker 1: So by this time, man, I'm man shooting.

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Speaker 2: So the driver is getting out the driver's seat and

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Speaker 2: he walks around from the driver's side to the back

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Speaker 2: of the car to the passenger side where I'm at.

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Speaker 2: So he hold the gun up and point the gun.

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Speaker 2: Then I tell the man give us back the keys,

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Speaker 2: so he throw the keys. Now by this time all

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Speaker 2: I turned around get in the car. Then I turned

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Speaker 2: back and look, come.

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Speaker 1: On, man, shoot that month file man.

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Speaker 2: He hit it in the chest three fifty seven blue

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Speaker 2: chip hollow points. When the full locker man saw him

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Speaker 2: get out with the with the gun, he took.

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Speaker 6: Out a tree.

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Speaker 2: It's a parking lot full of people just looking or

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Speaker 2: unbeknownst to us, it's a girl that we go to

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Speaker 2: We shot that, so we laughed like everybody lad, with

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Speaker 2: just know I got away, man, You know, man, you

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Speaker 2: just know you've done something and within a couple of

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Speaker 2: and watch him die all you know, man, Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like the movies. It goes to another scene and

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Speaker 2: it goes away to a kid. So we go back,

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Speaker 2: you know, to the neighborhood, bragging about it, but we

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Speaker 2: not knowing that it fit to be on the news

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Speaker 2: in a little bit. So then we walked down to

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Speaker 2: some apartments or to go trick with this dope fend

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Speaker 2: named Renee.

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Speaker 1: So Renee, we fould go to the v C all

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Speaker 1: take place. We foulda go get us some.

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Speaker 2: Naked movie and trick off all of the dope and

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Speaker 1: We feld take uh Renee, and one of and all

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Speaker 1: of us in love with that grown pussy and and

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Speaker 1: and one of us want to go to sleep with

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Speaker 1: her like we her boy friend. Uh you gonna get her.

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Speaker 1: She gonna have all the dope. This, man, is how

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Speaker 2: You know how I went went today, were going to

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Speaker 2: Taco Bell, so I was gonna stay back to get

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Speaker 2: the jump on your name. So I got the gun

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Speaker 2: on me. I think she went and called the police,

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Speaker 2: went to Taco Bell. She said, hold, I'll be back.

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Speaker 2: I'm go use the pay phone. So when she came

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Speaker 2: back in the house, she was saying.

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Speaker 1: You got to get out of here. Oh, you got

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Speaker 1: to get out of here.

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Speaker 2: So when I'm a fourteen year old kid on me,

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Speaker 2: I look out the window.

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Speaker 1: It's news camera. Man, it's god, man, it's everything out there.

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Speaker 1: I go on her patio.

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Speaker 2: I had on some skied overalls with this old nylon shirt.

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Speaker 1: Or I take the nylon shirt, wrapped the gun up

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Speaker 1: and throw it on the roof. The arm sleeve of

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Speaker 1: the shirt hangs off the roof.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, man, you got to get out of here,

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna tell him you in here.

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Speaker 1: So boom, nigger.

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Speaker 2: I'll go out and uh as I try to sneak

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Speaker 2: by one of the news reporters, UH seen me.

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Speaker 1: Hit that camera. There ain't go, I take off running.

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Speaker 1: They chased me and ship nigger.

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Speaker 2: I remember when they caught me, I had already been

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Speaker 2: I was on probation. Uh they when I got charged

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Speaker 2: with capitol murder. I had just got put on a

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Speaker 2: year of probation for shooting at some white people.

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Speaker 1: Remember I told you I had it in for white folk.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was put on a year of probation for shooting

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Speaker 2: of that summer. Uh, school has school has started? In

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Speaker 2: August I called attempted murder case that I was allegedly

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Speaker 2: accused of trying to run some dudes over in the

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Speaker 2: stolen car at this teenage club that was called Grahams.

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Speaker 2: After a shootout, they locked me up and then the

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Speaker 2: my school year. And then two weeks later I came

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Speaker 2: back for capitol whatever. Uh it was front page paper

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Speaker 2: headline news we killed the white men.

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Speaker 8: Because I know you said back then they wouldn't charge

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Speaker 8: kids with with capital murder?

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Speaker 1: What was the situation back then? They did? Homy See

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Speaker 1: it started in California.

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Speaker 2: Homy seventy two, seventy three children in California began killing

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Speaker 2: prior to that, there's no real record. There's isolated incidents,

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Speaker 2: but there's no massive amount of children who became murderers.

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Speaker 2: That didn't come about into seventy two seventy three due

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Speaker 2: to the crypt Bloods.

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Speaker 1: So they set the.

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Speaker 2: Tone of juvenile delinquency, of juvenile crime, juvenile punishment in America.

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Speaker 2: It was isolated only in California and then somewhat in Chicago,

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Speaker 2: but more so in California.

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Speaker 1: So when I caught my murder case.

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Speaker 2: And this is outside of California, we became the first

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Speaker 1: Rapper right, So we're the first generation. That's when you

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Speaker 1: hear the term super predator from Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: That's because we.

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Speaker 2: Became the first children to start killing Robin Karjack and

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Speaker 2: raping Toms and killing.

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Speaker 1: Society had never saw that before.

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Speaker 2: So when they came out and said that we have

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Speaker 2: ah children who are super predators.

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Speaker 1: In the description of super predators, can you imagine a

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Speaker 1: fourteen year old looking like Lebron James.

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Speaker 2: That's what that's We were the first generation. They could

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, developed that.

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Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So we became.

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Speaker 2: They knew what they was giving us in our foods,

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Speaker 2: we would be bigger, we would be faster.

444
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Speaker 1: That's why we start breaking records, running and shit.

445
00:21:59,520 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 7: You know.

446
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what they mean by.

447
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 2: Super predators because we was gonna have all of these

448
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 2: traits and characteristics to be able to outrun the police,

449
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: to be killed people at one time with our ball

450
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 2: hands because we so and we're gonna from criminals.

451
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: They knew that, right, So I fell then.

452
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 8: Also, if you look at it, like look at what

453
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 8: you were doing at fourteen, imagine that twenty.

454
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: Four a decade a thug and what would he be

455
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: doing at you.

456
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: Know time, Say, homie, we were living, we were raping.

457
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: We didn't know we were raping. Yeah, we didn't know

458
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: what it was. The culture, homie.

459
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 2: We would we snatched parishes and and from old women.

460
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: Nigga, we shout up old women houses.

461
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah we'll we'll kill your grandmama for this crip ship.

462
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: Right right, no nomber so oh, we was children who

463
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: lacked consciousness.

464
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: Of a mall compass, right, meaning we had no morality.

465
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 6: Right right, right right?

466
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: And so when they so we're the first generations, right.

467
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: So, so here we come with the murders in the

468
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: in the late eighties, early nineties.

469
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: They were children.

470
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 2: So society, this big shock wave of fear is sent

471
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: through America. We have to get tougher on juvenile crime,

472
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: we have to get tougher on children's So that's when

473
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: the trend of America say, okay, mass incarceration. Oh, we're

474
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 2: gonna take fourteen year olds and try to.

475
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: So.

476
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: So society no longer had compassion for trouble ute because

477
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: of us, because we start the seriousness in the heineus

478
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: of our crimes.

479
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 1: So in reality, Homie, we really were. I was a

480
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: super predator.

481
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, we all were.

482
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: We rolled around, We.

483
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 2: Woke up hunting niggas kill them. We rode through neighborhoods

484
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 2: looking for certain things.

485
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: We men.

486
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: So we were super predators. Yeah, and we wasn't doing

487
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: it for money. These wasn't economic crime, n.

488
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I went into an institution for us, specifically.

489
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: To Texas the nineties, eras of incarceration was more rehabilitative, right,

490
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 2: It wasn't a system of punishment.

491
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: Right to commit a murder and get two years.

492
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah back.

493
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm saying for my generation, niggas had two

494
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: years for murder, right, had two years.

495
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: On the murder.

496
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 2: There was guys who had forty years, right and went

497
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: home in five years four years.

498
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

499
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: I remember my uncle im.

500
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 8: Telling me, man, they used to get paid the sheriff

501
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 8: and all kind of shit to get out of murders

502
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 8: and ship back in the day when no computers or

503
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 8: none of that kind of shit.

504
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: Keep in mind we talked about children. Your children have.

505
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 2: Children have never been able once they get into custody.

506
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: So what they did with us, society had never saw

507
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: children who would commit murder before us. We are the

508
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: first kids that begin. We got to build an institution

509
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 2: of locked children up for.

510
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 6: Murderers, right right, right right.

511
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: Man in America, we're just talking.

512
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: Out to man, were just coming out not too long ago,

513
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: Jim Crow in.

514
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 8: The civil rights trouble, right right right right now, they're

515
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 8: starting to kill.

516
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: Now you got twelve year olds that's stabbing their next

517
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: door neighbors. You got thirteen year old kicking in door,

518
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: raping seventy eight year old women.

519
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, old burning up with cigarettes.

520
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: Hitting in the head with a hammer, shooting her then

521
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: is setting on fire.

522
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: Nigga. You got kids cutting off people earls, Nigga.

523
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: You got kids going in, killing the mama, killing the brother,

524
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: killing the little sister, and taking the girlfriend off.

525
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: You got kids committing these caps in eighty eight, eighty nine.

526
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: So the court system is seeing this, the police is

527
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: seeing this, the lawmakers are hearing about these crimes, right, say, homie,

528
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know our city, Homie, I didn't know. I

529
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: didn't know kids killed like.

530
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 2: This until I went into an institution and there was

531
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: four hundred more than kids.

532
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

533
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: O full roommate killed this mom and his daddy and

534
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: his and his pen pound was Charles Manson. Man, I'm

535
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: win in that institution, man, hey, man, So society seeing

536
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: these type of crimes, homie, Now we saying, man, they

537
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 2: roll Hey homie, man, I know I know some horrible

538
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: crimes from kids committed. Yeah, and most of us wanted

539
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: our hearts to be cold. I wanted I wanted a

540
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: cold heart homy. My desire and my dreams was to

541
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: be a killer based off the information I was said,

542
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: the things that I saw right.

543
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't an abused kid.

544
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 2: My mama didn't beat on me. I wasn't molested. I

545
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: didn't have that post traumatic stress that a fuel anger

546
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: from pain. I just see on lord from a father.

547
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: I ain't never had a man around home, So I

548
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: felt unloved by my daddy, and that hurt made me

549
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: gravitate to others who was hurting in pain, and by

550
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: us all gravitating and bonding together out of hurt, pain, dysfunction, neglect,

551
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: and rejection, we all became delinquent.

552
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: So we all learned bad thing from one another.

553
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: We wasn't encouraging each other to join the debate team.

554
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: We wasn't thurging each other to stay on the football team.

555
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: With football, we woulda go breaking the house to go

556
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: to practice today.

557
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 8: So when you caught when you caught the murder, they

558
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 8: decided at that point of time, around that time, they

559
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 8: decided to start trying trying keep.

560
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: Is as an adults. How many years or what?

561
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: What was the sentic in what was the Guy eighty seven,

562
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 2: Texas created a law called the Texas Juvenile Determined Sentencing Law,

563
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: and that law says that if a kid commit a

564
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: felony mainly murdered capital murder, rape, arson, kidnapping, and chad molestation,

565
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: you could be sentenced an attempted capital murder. You can

566
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: be sentenced anywhere from two to thirty years.

567
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 8: Okay, you can only be tried as a trio He

568
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 8: is God damn yeah so so so from.

569
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: A so from age twelve. So from age twelve to

570
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: twenty one, you could be sentenced anywhere from two to

571
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: thirty years. If you committed it after seventeen, chances are

572
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: you going You're going to the county jail because that's

573
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: what age you go to the county. But juvenile jisdiction

574
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: remained up until you was twenty one.

575
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: Back in my day.

576
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: So then I had a buddy by the name of

577
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: Terrence Sampson. He could minute one of the most heinous

578
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: volume times in the history of this state. He stablished

579
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: his best friend, his next door neighbor. He stablished ninety

580
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: three times inside his house.

581
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Speaker 6: Good ju He was.

582
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: At twelve years old. At twelve years old, he established

583
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: ninety three times.

584
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 8: You know what, and now I need I need the

585
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 8: people watching the even understand what.

586
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: You gotta go through the stab it once, so to

587
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: keep stabbing him. Now, you gotta have some anger and

588
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 1: shit built up.

589
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 8: You gotta have some that just fueling, like like we

590
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 8: were speaking about something fueling that shit.

591
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: What's inside of a twelve year old child? Man? What's

592
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: inside of a twelve year old baby that'll make him

593
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: trick his friend and the coming over to his house

594
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: cat so he can kill him? Is that a monster?

595
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: It ain't no monster than a kid. Damn.

596
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: So let me stopping I'm on Paul for a minute

597
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: and let me paint this picture.

598
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Terry Sampson was a good Wasn't nothing like us

599
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: been trying to gang bang.

600
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: He was the only child, and because his parents was

601
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: well to do, they moved out of the ghetto and

602
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: they moved into an upper class, middle class neighborhood in

603
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: the mid eighties, like my mother did, looking for a

604
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: better life, because all black people were doing that.

605
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: We was making it out.

606
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: Of poverty as a race man, right, So we moved

607
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: into these neighborhoods and we moved next door to white people.

608
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: But Terrence then lived out in Round Rock, Man and

609
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't a lot of black people. They were still

610
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: kind of races out there, so he was still kind

611
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: of by hisself isolated as a kid who was the

612
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: only child. He had a white next door neighbor, man

613
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: Kelly Kelly Brumlow.

614
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: They were best friends.

615
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: Could play basketball Alan Overson before Alan Overson even.

616
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: Was it sent to us right right? That was a

617
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: genius homie.

618
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: That neigh or so high on the SATs and the

619
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: acts in the juvenile system. The college courses didn't have

620
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: no one fight down there, but they said he was

621
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: a violent, vicious monster at twelve years old. Yeah, so

622
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: one day, right, so at nighttime, Terrence used to sneak

623
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: in his mama and daddy's room and get the gun

624
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: after dresser and stand over his mom and daddy with

625
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: the gun because he really wanted to kill his mom

626
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: and daddy.

627
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: Remember I told you I I grew.

628
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: Up with children who killed their mothers in their fat

629
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: You know, you know how many kids think about killing

630
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: their mama because she beat him so bad? You know

631
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: how many kids think about killing their mama. Caulse she

632
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: letting that keep molesting him, and she know mama might

633
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: have an idea. They get molested, but mama playing like.

634
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: You know how many kids think about killing their mom

635
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: and they daddy.

636
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the mom and daddy don't know it right.

637
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: So Terrees used to go in there, man, but he

638
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: never had the courage to do it.

639
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: Terre' daddy used to beat him.

640
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: Daddy used to punch on him, yeah, and knock him

641
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: and knock him out and then get on top of

642
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: him laid on the ground, waking back up with punches

643
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: choking it.

644
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Why you lot of me, boy? Why you lot to

645
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: me boy? Why you lot of me boy? Yeah?

646
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: Baby boy, baby set up until his mama going down,

647
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: and the boy, the boy terrified of his daddy. If

648
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: the boy leave a dish in or scene, you gonna

649
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: get your ass pounded.

650
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: Come on, you know how we do our kids?

651
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 6: Someone up the beat Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

652
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: So so Terrence be scared to leave them dishes in

653
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: there sometimes, so he put them up under the bed.

654
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: He used to put him up under the bed. One

655
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: day Daddy found him old dirty dishes up under the bed. Boy.

656
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: You know what you gonna get, don't you?

657
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: Can you imagine a person that get tortured and get

658
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: beat all the time. And the anticipation, yeah, anticipating when mama,

659
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: when Mama say I'm gonna whoop your ass, and you

660
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: got to wait all day for an ass whooping you.

661
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: The anticipation is a psychological torre.

662
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, hell yeah.

663
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: So you find them up under the bed, say, boy,

664
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: you go get it. That little boy thinking about man,

665
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: what's going happening? And he loved playing basketball, so we

666
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: went outside and he played basketball with Kelly.

667
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: They played for a little bit, then all of a sudden,

668
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: Kelly said, I need to go in the house. I

669
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: heard the phone ring.

670
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: Now this is a kid that's dealing with something, the

671
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: anticipation of abuse, and it's and it's bad now, and

672
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: it's to the point where I'm thinking about killing.

673
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: It's so bad.

674
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: And I'm a kid at twelve years old, and it's

675
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: fear that I'm feeling.

676
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: But I'm also tired of being rejected. Yeah, I'm feeling alone,

677
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Kids fill alone and rejected.

678
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: And why you think beat women because they can't deal

679
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: with rejection and they learnt it.

680
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: They got rejected so much as a kid. If you

681
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: reject me, I.

682
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 8: Kill you reject me.

683
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: That's where they get that from. Yeah, so Kelly said

684
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: the phone ring.

685
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 2: But this little boy that got this this darkness in

686
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: him didn't hear the phone ring.

687
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, she gonna reject me too. I ain't done.

688
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 2: Okay, When I go in this house and I call

689
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: this house phone, they ain't have cell phone back in

690
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: the day.

691
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: When you call somebody house phone, the phone was busy.

692
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: He had to wait till they get off the phone.

693
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: You had to wait to get off the phone.

694
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: So this twelve year old kids say, I'm fit of

695
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: go in here and call her. And if that phone

696
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: is not busy, I ain't gonna kill mom and daddy.

697
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill a hawk because that's rejection.

698
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: Rejection trigger them.

699
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, no matter who reject you to call it trigger

700
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: those child those emotions.

701
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: Right. So when we called killing killer asked off the phone.

702
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: So he call heerse her tricker and the coming over.

703
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: Soon as she come over, man, he started stabbing her.

704
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: And while man, you know that you got, they come again,

705
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: come again, getting stuck in the bone.

706
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: And the blood is keeping out. And this is your

707
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: best friends.

708
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: Saying why are you doing this? Meter Yeah, I will

709
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: say nothing. That why you're doing this? And this kid

710
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: got Is he angry? Is he hateful? Is he a monster?

711
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: What can be inside of a twelve year old kid

712
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: home in the drive that fear pain, abuse? So as

713
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: he's stabbling a homie, just think it's hitting her on.

714
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: They counting every mark is to the police, got markets on.

715
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: So at some point she's saying, I won't tell anything.

716
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: I won't say anything. He dropped the knife, he stopped.

717
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: You're asking me, how do I know this?

718
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: As I traveled the country, I never forgot Terren Sampson

719
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: because he was a good kid.

720
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: He wasn't mean. We were down there bullshit. All of

721
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: us was good kids.

722
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: But he was a little different, right, And I never

723
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: forgot his story. I got to meet his victim's mother,

724
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: or miss Brumlow.

725
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: I got to meet her.

726
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: When they sent Terrence to prison. I got to hear

727
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: her story. And so I would tell Terrren's story everywhere

728
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: I would speak. And when I tell people that he

729
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: was a twelve year old kid who stabbed somebody ninety

730
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: three times, they would be taken aback by his story.

731
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: And he got no sympathy. And I'm telling people he

732
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: was a twelve year old kid. Even they look at

733
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: that and said no, no, man, ninety three times. So

734
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 2: let me finish telling the story. He dropped that night

735
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: when all that was happening, and I wrote him and

736
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: I said, man, Terrence, I mean, I'll be telling your

737
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: story home in and man, people they be taking it back. Man,

738
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: I need to know why. And man, he wrote me

739
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: a very detailed letter. I'm only shut it with one person,

740
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: and that was Barbary Sanders with the four Worth Star Telegram,

741
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: and that was to help him make parole. He wrote

742
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: me a detailed, detailed letter of his crime and his relationship.

743
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: I used to pay attention to him when we was

744
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: locked up. Every year of the anniversary, he got sad,

745
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: he got depressed, and it was always on the news,

746
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: even to this day. It's thirty some years later, thirty

747
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: some years.

748
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: Later, still on the news.

749
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: So I wanted to speak for him while I was

750
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: out speaking on behalf of him and advocating for him.

751
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: He spent twenty nine years on a thirty year sentence

752
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: for that crime he committed at age twelve. So he

753
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: wrote me the letter, and I read that letter so

754
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: I can talk about No child is boring bad. That's

755
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: one of the worst situations I think a kid can

756
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: could be in. And I like talking about that situation

757
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: to show people that no matter what a child does,

758
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: no child is boring bad.

759
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 6: Yeah.

760
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: So while we're paused, before I continue on with with

761
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: with with this story.

762
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: While Terrence was on top of Kelly, stabbing her, I

763
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: want to let y'all know that he got on top

764
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: of her the same way his daddy got on top

765
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: of him.

766
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: Remember I told you his dad would straddle him, put

767
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: his knees on his shoulder.

768
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 8: Shut up with Yeah, why you lie when you stabbed him?

769
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: Why you lied him the same thing he there you go.

770
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: Children mimic what they see and repeat what they hear.

771
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: He did the exact same things to Keilly that his

772
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: father would do to him. So at one point in time,

773
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: he dropped a knife, Homie, I said, man, what'll make

774
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: you pick you back up? Not that I was afraid

775
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: of the police, he says in the letter.

776
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: He was more afraid of.

777
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: That abusive fault and what that abusive father would do.

778
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 2: So you know what he did.

779
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: I want to go on into jail house, man, I got.

780
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about where I want to go,

781
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: but I can't.

782
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 6: Back yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

783
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 6: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

784
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: I can't let hotel you a twelve year old kid,

785
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: put Homer. We're talking about a twelve year old kid

786
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: with an undeveloped brain. We're trying to make logical to

787
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: see an undeveloped brain.

788
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: He don't know what he's thinking, you know what he's

789
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: driven by?

790
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 6: Feer beer Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yes.

791
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: Why they say, don't make nobody afraid of you, man

792
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: a scary person. Now, yeah, send me by fear to

793
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: reach back down and pick that knife.

794
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: Up and finish that back again. Kiss man, now listen,

795
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing this. You can't even do this ninety three times.

796
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: You can't want to.

797
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 8: Tell imagine yanking it back yard and gotta.

798
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: This is a twelve year old kid, brother, So let

799
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: me finish painting this picture.

800
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: The blood is a little bit darker when it's coming

801
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: from deep wounds.

802
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: It ain't light red.

803
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: It's a dark, dark, dark head color, nasty looking, and

804
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: guts come out too, fragments of shit.

805
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: It's nasty. It's goory.

806
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, a murder seen is goory. This is a

807
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 4: twelve year old kid in the cover with blood. What

808
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 4: a what my daddy gonna do? Not the police? What

809
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: my daddy's gonna do, not the police. So he dragged that,

810
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 4: He dragged that dead body through the house.

811
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: Imagine what kind of blood trailer is left?

812
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: Well, holes next, cut right right, whatever it is. Yeah,

813
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: bleeding is what I'm saying. Yeah, he'd take up to

814
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: the backyard.

815
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: He lay up back on the ground and position her

816
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: feet up against the fence in an incline position, and

817
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,959
Speaker 2: restack the firewood over her body to hide the body.

818
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: A twelve year old kid? What's inside of a twelve

819
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: year old fear me and my daddy. So then he'd

820
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: go in the house.

821
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: And he got to clean up that blood.

822
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: He got to clean up that blood. Man, Damn, damn,

823
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: A twelve year old kid will send us to thirty years.

824
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: So he committed that crime.

825
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: In eighty seven, now eighty eight, eighty eight, eight, going

826
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: on eighty nine. So then here we come in ninety one,

827
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: two years later. So from eighty eight, eighty nine to

828
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 2: ninety and other places in Houston, in Dallas, these young

829
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: he didn't like them, right, and he'd be they.

830
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: Killing like a gang banging is rooted in now. Yeah,

831
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: and you got the crack arrow.

832
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: So you got young kids, you know, so form so

833
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: here we call, so so here we come. In ninety one,

834
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: I commit my murder September eighteen, nineteen ninety one, Texas

835
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: come with a new juvenile law. They don't raise the

836
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: ante up now can be sentenced to forty years. So

837
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: when I come along, I'm facing forty.

838
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 6: Years of the script.

839
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: When I come along, I'm facing forty years. So the

840
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: only reason I didn't get forty years is because my

841
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 2: mother was financially able to forward some of the best

842
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: lawyer representation in the city of Fort Work, which was

843
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: a guy by the name of Carl Mallory.

844
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: And Louis Stearns.

845
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 2: Louis Sterns eventually became Judge Louis Sterns.

846
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: You know, so I had.

847
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: Great when one of the best men I'm talking about,

848
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: bad Terren Sam says the season a juvenile in Texas

849
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: can be sentenced to four up to forty years once

850
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: he committed his crime. So we were fortunate enough during

851
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: that Arahomi, we had a governor by the name of

852
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: Anne Richards. So here we are children in America. The

853
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: laws is getting ready to change. Bill Clinton's president.

854
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 9: They hadn't came with the nineteen ninety four Omnius Crime Bill,

855
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 9: so we still kind of three years out from that, right,

856
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 9: So we're just starting to set this trend that man,

857
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 9: we got kids.

858
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: That will kill you, ye, setting the tone. Yeah, were

859
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: just starting to set in the tone. And so I

860
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: remember I remember doing this interview by man.

861
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: What was her name, Her last name was Price, Ben Price,

862
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: but she was a news reporter and she wrote this.

863
00:43:53,760 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 10: Article in October of ninety one and threw her It

864
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 10: threw her into nationals, into a national spotlight in the media.

865
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: She became a phenomenon.

866
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: She wrote this article that was called children who Killed

867
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: with No Remorse, And I remember her interviewing my Latin

868
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 2: King partner and where she got the title from.

869
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: Man.

870
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 2: He seemed heartless. They had already been locked up for

871
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: a few for couple murders. He was a little serial killer, right.

872
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: So he's the curse. He's one of the first children

873
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: in Forward Texas to be sentenced to thirty years. It

874
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: probably hurt every kid that came after us.

875
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: And so from that, from ninety one up until now,

876
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,479
Speaker 2: America had begun creating laws where they would take a.

877
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: Twelve year old or thirteen year old, a fourteen year old.

878
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: Kid in some states and give them juvenile life with

879
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: our parole Florida.

880
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: Being one of them, California and one of them.

881
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: So, man, we started seeing children at fourteen years old

882
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: get life in prison in never coming home at fourteen.

883
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: So I think that's a little much.

884
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: Man. You know what I'm saying, Well, up until twenty sixteen,

885
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: and I'll get us there. But up until twenty sixteen, man,

886
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: it was a Miller versus Ground ruling or the Supreme

887
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: Court ruled that it was unconstitutional to do that.

888
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: But think about this, at the.

889
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 2: Time when they decided to give this Homer you told

890
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: about a young to kill four five people.

891
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: That know what I'm saying.

892
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 8: So I see that's where it gets slippery at because

893
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 8: some gotta be done. But then what needs to be

894
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 8: done that it kind of got to meet in the

895
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 8: middle because some gotta be done about some shit like that.

896
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Well, America acted out of fear and

897
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: out of ignorance.

898
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: Right now.

899
00:45:54,080 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 2: Now there's a campaign amongst policymakers bop artisanship or both

900
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: Democrats and Republicans they're saying shit like, oh, we need

901
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: to be smart on crime rather than tough on crime

902
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: at first when we need to get tough, because we

903
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 2: didn't have the knowledge and we didn't have the data

904
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 2: that we had now or back in nineteen ninety one,

905
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: we didn't have the brain information to say that kids

906
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: don't have brain development.

907
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: The human brain don't develop until around twenty five, right, right.

908
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: The insurance companies had that information. That's why your insurance

909
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: rates don't go down to after twenty five.

910
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: But we didn't apply that knowledge when dealing with children.

911
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: These are these are human beings with partially developed brains.

912
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: When you kid, why you do that? And they say, oh, no, right,

913
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

914
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: Because the front part of your brain deals with your

915
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: with your you know, your reasoning.

916
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that's the front or

917
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 8: corner roll yeah yeah yeah.

918
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: Time goes to begin and it begins to connect. But

919
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: that a kid, it's a.

920
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: Big gap there, right, Oh, what's again to progress? We

921
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: begin getting this information, uh, the kits and and and

922
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: criminal justice experts, you know, they began applying this information.

923
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: But this is the answer, homie.

924
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: The answer to a kid who kills is no different

925
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: to a dog who kills. When Michael Victim took all

926
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 2: them dogs and trained them dogs how to kill, they

927
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: didn't put them dogs away forever.

928
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: They put them dogs in an environment where dogs go.

929
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: And they gave those dogs what dogs need nurture.

930
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 6: Right right right right right right right right.

931
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: Training and and and and by them placing those dogs,

932
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: they removed those dogs out of an abusive, violent, murderous

933
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: environment right, placed them in a totally different environment and

934
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: gave them exactly what dogs need to.

935
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: Be made to be friend right right right, So they nurtured.

936
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: They nurtured those dogs back into the state that they

937
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: were designed to be in man's best friend instead of

938
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: fighting dogs right right, right right, the same concept and

939
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 2: you applied to dangerous murderous.

940
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: Children, right, and you'll get the same exact results, right

941
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: so right, And I agree with that a wholeheartedly.

942
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 8: It's just I think, like you said back then, we

943
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 8: really they they didn't really see that.

944
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: Fine.

945
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 8: Then a lot of times people lack compassion for what

946
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 8: they don't understand, you know, so they just looking at

947
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 8: them doing some shit like that and say.

948
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: WHOA, my brain wouldn't even put that together.

949
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, you wasn't abused your dad and then sit on

950
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 8: top of you smacking the shit out of you because

951
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 8: a dish was in the market scene. So it's a

952
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 8: different upbring in which gives different results for a young

953
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.

954
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: So so we went into an institution, Homie and and

955
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: I can honestly say we had one of the better experiments.

956
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: They was experimenting with these young killers. They didn't know

957
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: what was gonna come of the programs and the and

958
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: the and the therapy in the in the group sessions, right.

959
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 1: You know, man.

960
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: We had some of the world's best psychiatrists work, world

961
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: renowned psychologists.

962
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: Uh men.

963
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: At one point in time, Sports Illustrated came and spent

964
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: six months on campus.

965
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: Man, I mean man, they was they was. We was

966
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: in a real, live experimental program or that produced mastermind children.

967
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm the product of that. Okay, okay, okay, I was brainwashed.

968
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: All of us was washing, but we was brainwashed.

969
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 2: It was like they did a scientific experiment and placed

970
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: us inside of a perfect home like growing up being

971
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: the Yeah yeah, yeah, this is the result of it.

972
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: When it realized what they done, they done away with

973
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: that ship. It don't exist anymore. But if you want

974
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: the program, it's called positive Fear Culture.

975
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: Look it up.

976
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: Everybody that went through what I went through, and I'm

977
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: saying this in front of the State of Texas. Everybody

978
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: the prison system, every last that went through what I

979
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: went through through, getting state home in school, they ended

980
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: up going to prison running something every day. Everybody went

981
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: back to their community. Now some of them did, like

982
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: the evil superheroes who take.

983
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: All this shit and turn bad with it.

984
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: Some of the best manipulators, gang leaders, dope dealer Street.

985
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: Because of how from that experiment, I spent seven years

986
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: in their homie from fourteen to twenty one, learning how

987
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: to separate my thoughts from my feelings, learning what a

988
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: thinking era is, learning or being able to identify my

989
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: childhood life story, the trauma, processing of trauma, dealing with

990
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: the trauma we did. It's psychotherapy drama where we reenacted

991
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: our murderous crimes, where we had to play the and

992
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: we had to play the part that might take two weeks.

993
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: Doing that, right, they created a monster, but in a

994
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: good way.

995
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: Real So when I got out in twenty one, uh,

996
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: you know, brain developed maturity, beginning.

997
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: To play a part. My first four years, I spent

998
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: down there gang banging homie.

999
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: You know when I got down there, uh and got

1000
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: exposed to the gang culture up close and personal.

1001
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: She you know, I joined roll in sixties neighborhood crips.

1002
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 2: She Uh. I found my father in the in the game,

1003
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: through the through the big homies in and I became

1004
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 2: an elite gang member.

1005
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, I excelled at that ship. Uh.

1006
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1007
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: I worked my way through the hierarchy and and you know,

1008
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: within two to three years or I was the little

1009
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: run and ship.

1010
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was the big dog. Yeah I'm talking about

1011
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: I was the big dog with monks, A big dog.

1012
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: You know. I grew up around grown folks and I'm

1013
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 1: a natural homie.

1014
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: So uh, I became legendary uh in the state of

1015
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: Texas amongst who killed during that time or whether it's

1016
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 2: Dallas or my name Ryan Big in prison and I

1017
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: ain't never been to prison.

1018
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: So when I joined, my childhood name is Blue.

1019
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 2: You know, Charleston Blue from this movie Come Back, Charleston Blue.

1020
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 2: That's what everybody in the streets knows me as it's Blue.

1021
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: So when I go to the institution or I earned

1022
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: the name see nothing. Yeah, I became a year crypt

1023
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: Nuh yeah, yeah, so I was. I was a god

1024
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: damn nut for the crypt man. So and I was

1025
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 2: just acting right. Remember I told you I know how

1026
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 2: to mimic good. So, uh So, how how I became

1027
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: elevated in the gang world. I understood the knowledge of power.

1028
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: I started seeing, uh most crypt you had to have

1029
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: some knowledge. If you went somewhere and you didn't have

1030
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: no gang knowledge.

1031
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: Then you really were and authentic so to have over

1032
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: other people. That's I learned that as a kid.

1033
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: So when Monster Cody or the eight Trade gangster crip

1034
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: out of California, when he dropped the Monster Cody book

1035
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: ship I read that.

1036
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 1: I spent days.

1037
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: I didn't talk to nobody. I spend days reading that book,

1038
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: writing down all the information.

1039
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 1: So I learned.

1040
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: I taught myself. I learned good from reading then writing. So, man,

1041
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: I learned all that information. Homie learned the history. Who

1042
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 2: started crips or who with Joe voting all them different names.

1043
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: So that's how I was able to propel myself.

1044
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit I can't having operating with that information. Yeah.

1045
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,959
Speaker 2: And and and I know how to play damn fool good,

1046
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: you know, So you know I even to this day, homie,

1047
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: get out the penitentry. Yeah they still you know, they

1048
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: still respect me for what put down as a kid

1049
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 2: inside the institution.

1050
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: Right. So I'm a state school baby, I'm a.

1051
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 6: Station yeah yeah, yeah.

1052
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: So it was easy for me to come out here.

1053
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: I joined at fifteen, I came home at twenty one.

1054
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: So I'm getting closer to a full developed brain. I

1055
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: come from a good moral fabric blood line, yeah, come

1056
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: from Yeah. So I come from a mother who's moral,

1057
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: believing in God. So I do have a conscience. So

1058
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: but as I'm getting older, I don't want to. You know,

1059
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm seeing most games were scary. I'm seeing most on games.

1060
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 2: Probably for the same reason I joined.

1061
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to be accepted. I wanted to be a

1062
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: part of something.

1063
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: And if being part of something mean that I had

1064
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: to participate in raping somebody, then I would have participated in.

1065
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: The rape home or.

1066
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: If being being a part of something, of being accepted

1067
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 2: by the game, or mint mint shooting.

1068
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: A little sister who was at the park playing, I

1069
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: was willing to do that.

1070
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: On it with the lack of brain development, right right,

1071
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: right when I got out.

1072
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: Of age twenty one, nineteen ninety eight.

1073
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: I'm really innocent, I'm really pure, and I'm still youthful.

1074
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, high school.

1075
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how I got many experiences at that point.

1076
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: Now I don't know how to talk to girls. So

1077
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: mentally I'm fourteen nigga nineteen ninety eight. When I got home,

1078
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: Tommy Hill figured it was out. You know, I was

1079
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 2: still liking Dickie's.

1080
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 6: You know.

1081
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 2: Then I'm struggling with the fact that it ain't about

1082
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 2: being cute no more. It's about who had money. So

1083
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: it's a big money.

1084
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a difference.

1085
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: Between ninety one and ninety eight for the social aspects

1086
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: of dealing with your peers or trying to date girls.

1087
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 2: So all girls back then want a drug dealer scene.

1088
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: The working was overlooked in ninety eight. Then end up

1089
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: going no.

1090
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 11: You're gonna get it, getting up many the college boy.

1091
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: College boy can't get no. You got to sell a

1092
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 2: dope to get in college. So everybody was willing to

1093
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 2: sacrifice and throw away their life on it in order

1094
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: to remember. He who controlled images controlled mine. The dough

1095
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: boy image was everything, So I get out of them.

1096
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 8: It was legitimate, legitimately being millionaires and shit in the

1097
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 8: eighties and not when the dope shit first hit.

1098
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: I know in Nashville anyway, my uncle's in.

1099
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 8: Was able to ride around with three and four bricks

1100
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 8: in the trunk with the scale of the like now

1101
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 8: it ain't.

1102
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: The police didn't even with them. They ride through the project.

1103
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 8: You speak to the police, you got a brick in

1104
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 8: the trunk, brick on your left, you know.

1105
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: So it was a little different Economically, it made logical, sister,

1106
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: say a dope what I'm saying.

1107
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: So, man, it made logical sense if you do, because

1108
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: the reward it made lot sense. Yeah, we just didn't

1109
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: understand the consequences. We didn't put your way forever exactly,

1110
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: and we didn't know what to do with the money.

1111
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: So in that logical sense for to look over here

1112
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: and say, man, I ain't going to work that I'm

1113
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: selling dope because rich overnight.

1114
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: Now you can't do that. So it don't make logical sense.

1115
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: It's dead.

1116
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 2: So when I got out in ninety eight, I tried

1117
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: to work. But everybody selling dope, even the working yeah,

1118
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: even the squat yeah, even was sitting.

1119
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

1120
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: Mister p with men mm man crack like this get

1121
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: old Doe, get get gattold doe and told and taught.

1122
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: Man put the recipe on the songs. Remember, the song

1123
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: is the fuel for the conditions, the situation.

1124
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: That good game, boy, so he done fueled our whole

1125
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: generation and our whole.

1126
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: Course with moving dope music.

1127
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: I'm looking at rape, I'm looking at kid. Now we're

1128
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: talking about raping. I kicked in the door his main.

1129
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 8: Honey, honey, she said, right did.

1130
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm a kid. Now They're fueling us for this shit.

1131
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 6: The kid.

1132
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: So, so when I get out in ninety eight, she

1133
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: niggas got ghetto dope at what I want. But I'm

1134
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: trying to find an identity, homie. I went in the

1135
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: institution at fourteen with no identity. When I was in

1136
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: an institution, I joined the game for identity.

1137
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 6: Right.

1138
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: So finally when I got out of when I left

1139
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: my mama house.

1140
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: My first identity I gave myself was to be a cryp.

1141
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: So now this as a kid. So when I come home.

1142
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: At three one as an ad door, I don't want

1143
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: to be a crypt no more. But I'm still a crypt.

1144
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: I want a new identity, right, I'm for to go

1145
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: to oh boy drug dealer.

1146
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 6: Right, right, right right, right right, So.

1147
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know, I could sell dope.

1148
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: But I didn't grow up poor, so I didn't know

1149
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: how to value the money and management.

1150
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 6: Right right right.

1151
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: I had tub with the money.

1152
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: So I went from dough Bourn to jack Bourne. Now

1153
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: I'm running with Now I'm running with the daw were

1154
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: Now we're jack My West Dallas.

1155
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: Then they got the bricks.

1156
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 2: So when I'm running with Tea, I'm trying to find

1157
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: an identity home me yes, about my twenties. I'm hanging

1158
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: with Tea. So at one point we did I'm moving dope.

1159
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 2: At one point I'm trafficking weed to Arkansas.

1160
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm the weed man. Right point, Oh, I'm Jack right,

1161
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm working trying to find a groove. Yeah. Then next thing,

1162
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, man, I'm really a pimp. And when i'm

1163
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: stepping the pipping, that's what I hold on to.

1164
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1165
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: I don't put no hyphen I don't put no slash

1166
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: behind my a.

1167
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

1168
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 5: A month there, A month there?

1169
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 1: It look from about? Does it look like love?

1170
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 3: It look from about? Does it look like love?

1171
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: A month? Dare a month there