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Speaker 1: Never told you aflection buy Heart Radio. And for today's classic,

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Speaker 1: we are bringing back a semi recent one, but it's

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Speaker 1: timely and I just thought we should bring it back

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Speaker 1: because it's daylight saving style again. I know I.

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Speaker 2: Need that sun.

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Speaker 1: I'm so torn about it because it's like, you lose

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Speaker 1: the hour and that's misrule, but you get the sun.

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Speaker 1: I yes, we do. However, this episode is actually a

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Speaker 1: kind of dark. I'm not even trying to make a joke,

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Speaker 1: but it was a little more intense than I intended

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Speaker 1: it to be, just about the way daylight savings time

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Speaker 1: can infect martialized communities. And actually, right after we did this,

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Speaker 1: it happened in my neighborhood, like a block from me. Somebody,

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Speaker 1: a woman was attacked and it was at seven am

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Speaker 1: and it was pitch black outside because of the light.

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Speaker 1: It's horrible. But after that I started carrying my license,

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Speaker 1: even if I was just going to do my laundry,

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Speaker 1: because she apparently was just like going to take the

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people are like, well, it was

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Speaker 1: still really dark outside, not that that necessarily will prevent

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Speaker 1: anybody from attacking anybody. But yeah, anyway, hopefully, hopefully daylight

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Speaker 1: Saving Time is not miserable for all you listeners, please

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Speaker 1: enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Anny and Samantha

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Speaker 1: Stefan never told you a prediction of iHeartRadio. And today

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Speaker 1: as this comes out, it is the day after daylight Savings. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I just learned it's daylight saving Time. It's not saving time.

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Speaker 1: You do not put the s on there.

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Speaker 2: So one of those things that everybody does with the items.

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Speaker 2: So it's not that it's Kroger not Kroger's.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I've been doing it my whole life.

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Speaker 2: But what's coming how I said the internets and about like.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that is like we make that joke a

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Speaker 1: lot about my mom, So I wonder if I'm slowly

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Speaker 1: becoming more like my mom. Yes we are, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I so originally, as you heard me talk about in

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Speaker 1: our last happy hour where I was an anxious mess. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this was going to be a different episode this Monday, Mini,

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Speaker 1: and it's about self disclosure. But that's big enough to

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Speaker 1: out later this week. And I just got this idea

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Speaker 1: there is some research about it, so we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about it. It also cracked me up because okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: about sexual assault and harassment. Yep, but nothing in depth.

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Speaker 1: Nothing in depth. But one of the arguments against it

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Speaker 1: jokingly much less seriously about hocus Pocus because there's that

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Speaker 1: if that was true, those witches would have been in trouble.

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Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about this. What are your

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Speaker 2: I hate it, point blake, point blank. I hate it.

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Speaker 2: I think the one reprieve is like having the sunback,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why. I am a sleepy, sleepy person,

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Speaker 2: why it's not necessary, Like we've talked about it too

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Speaker 1: You you come out strong against some opponent that's not really here.

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Speaker 1: I used to like it. Interestingly enough, I liked Fall.

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Speaker 1: We're actually capturing kind of the how it plays out.

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Speaker 1: right now. But this brings us to women specifically and

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Speaker 1: daylight saving time because I found a lot of articles

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Speaker 1: That's the only way you're getting to bed early. Pree

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Speaker 1: So many times when I find these articles for women,

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Speaker 2: Right, do something creative, be eight things, be busy, yes,

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Speaker 1: With you, right, figure out what is wrong with you,

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Speaker 1: They're like, make use of your extra hour. I'm going

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Speaker 2: Right, I love it, like you can an extra hour disk,

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Speaker 1: it's going well for future you and I Samantha. Because

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